The Late Braking F1 Podcast - Rating the best and worst liveries of 2022 | Pimp My F1

Episode Date: March 2, 2022

That's right, Pimp My F1 is back! Sam, Ben and Harry give their thoughts on this year's line up of F1 liveries. They also discuss the cancellation of the Russian GP, and the effects of the Ukraine inv...asion is having on F1, and finish up with a game of F1: Back and Forth. JOIN our Discord: https://discord.gg/dQJdu2SbAm SUPPORT our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/latebraking TWEET us @LBraking BUY our merchandise: https://late-braking-f1-podcast.creator-spring.com/ SUBSCRIBE to our podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Thank you for listening to the Late Breaking F1 podcast. Make sure to tune in for new episodes every Wednesday and Grand Prix Sunday. And a very warm welcome to the late breaking F1 podcast presented by Harry Ead, Sam Sage and me, Ben Hocking. If you are looking for the best technical analysis of the 2022 cars, you have absolutely gone to the wrong place. However, if you are looking for three design experts to cast their eyes on the 22 liveries, you're also in the wrong place. However, if you're looking for three morons to go, oh, that colour looks nice, yeah, then you are absolutely in the correct place because Pimp My F1 is
Starting point is 00:01:08 tonight. We will look at the 10 liveries, give out some awards. Sam, I know this is, your favorite episode of the year? It's definitely up there for you, right? Yep. Love talking about liveries. I have no design background and I'm completely unqualified, but I'm sure my opinion means an awful lot
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Starting point is 00:04:40 hit both extremes tonight everybody but we'll start with pimp my f1 we've got five awards to give out our favorite livery our second favorite livery most improved the biggest letdown and the worst livery the wooden spoon of our awards but we'll start positive we'll start with favorite livery of the ten out there astin martin won this one last year for us and sam you yourself did put Aston Martin as your favourite. Who are you going for this year? That asked, that asked, not. Mike crack with Ashton, Ashton Martin.
Starting point is 00:05:23 That livery last year was lovely. I actually think the livery that they brought out this year. Hang on, can we just also give a moment for the new F1 cars? Because they look sexy. You know, not often that one gets strung around on the podcast, but blinking net, do they? When it came out, I thought, crumbs. That looks, guys.
Starting point is 00:05:42 Oh, crumbs. Anyway, yeah, the Aston Martin last year was lovely, but the Aston Martin this year is bloody great. It doesn't actually take my top spot. And actually I was pleasantly surprised because there was a few that were hotly contested, I think, for the top spot for me.
Starting point is 00:05:57 But I am going to have to give it to the classic, which I think we're all going to do. That Ferrari just looks too good. Even when it is porpoising up and down in Catalonia, it's still manages to look like one of the best things ever. It might be one of the best Formula One cars of all time, less alone just this year. So for me, number one at the top
Starting point is 00:06:19 spot, that Ferrari, absolutely sang in with a black on. It really harks back to the famous pharaoh that we all go and love from the early 90s. So yeah, big up. Well done. Great design. We love you, Fossa. Faza Ferrari. Glad to you, Gatsy. All right. Sam is going with Ferrari then for the best livery of 2022. Harry, I actually listened back to Pimp My one from last year and you not only did you agree with Sam you did so quite reluctantly so are we going to get the same thing again um I found this one really tough I think last year was an easy option but this year I found it really tough and I think at launch of both cars I would have given it to Ferrari but having seen them out on track just I think the
Starting point is 00:07:05 Astor Martin just nudges it they are both beautiful looking cars and with the lime green on it, it's beaten the pink stripe they had last year, and it just looks so good out on track. The Ferrari still looks good out on track, but I just think it looks, because it's matte. I know why they do it,
Starting point is 00:07:24 because it's quicker and it's lighter paint, but it just doesn't, I mean, it looks great, but it doesn't quite pop as well on track as the Aster Martin, I think, but a real close call, because that Ferrari, under studio conditions, that Ferrari does things to me. Folks, this is 10-10-80-plus podcast? Wow.
Starting point is 00:07:51 I mean, at least he didn't finish on the fence there. Usually that's how any Harry point ends, but you were very clear in that. Ladies and gentlemen, this is a turnout for the books because for our favorite podcast, we have got three different answers. way. No.
Starting point is 00:08:11 We have got three different answers for our favourite livery. I can't think of what I mean. I am going for the Alphatarie livery
Starting point is 00:08:19 is my favourite. Interesting. I think it's stunning. It's got white rims. It doesn't have white rims. It doesn't
Starting point is 00:08:28 it doesn't have white rims. I don't think it does anyone. I thought I have white hubcaps, whatever they call me. Anyway, the only thing, the only blemish on that Alphist
Starting point is 00:08:38 Tauri livery is the Flexbox logo. And if you're not sure what the Flexbox logo is, it's the old key sponsor for Manner back in the day. And it's fundamentally orange, which doesn't necessarily go with the rest of the Alphatari livery. But I think Alphatari, the only team that have been able to nail the side of the car, like the lead sponsor on the side of the car,
Starting point is 00:09:01 they've managed to work it in quite well. We've got some quite bulgy sides of cars this year, we and I think the lead sponsors aren't quite working on some of the cars but I think Al-Fatari have nailed theirs I generally like the more simpler, sleeker designs versus the busy ones so it might be less of a surprise then that Al-Tahari for me is the winner I've got to say I've just looked it up sorry I was going on I was going to say for me the the Al-Fatari does the opposite of the Ferrari in the studio or under the studio as renders it I wasn't that impressed but actually on track it looks good it was very good
Starting point is 00:09:38 Agreed. And Ben, I think I've just looked it up. You're right. No white hubcaps. But also, you make a very good point about that cypog sponsor. It is very elegantly incorporated into the livery. Really nice, bold, clear, what it means. Obviously, that colour palette from the previous generation was one of the best anyway.
Starting point is 00:09:54 So, yeah, it's a nice iteration. But you're right. Flexbox, as much as I love you for your previous sponsorship, get in the Bing, because it doesn't look good on that sponsor. It's not looking at that car. Okay. So we moved to Runner Up. Harry, who are you going for?
Starting point is 00:10:10 runner-up. I mean this might be a very easy answer. It's the Ferrari because as I said it very nearly took top spot for me. Yeah I was they've been hinting at it haven't they for all of pre-season before before launch all of winter's um off-season putting like black and red emojis on their on their Twitter and that sort of thing and the graphics went red and black and everyone was like, nah, they're Ferrari, they're going to chicken out, they're just mess them here. And they only went and bloody did it. They got the black wings in. They've got a different darker shade of red. It's full on 90s vibe. And we just need Jean-Alesi back and we've completed it. Crazy Zhangalaisi.
Starting point is 00:10:58 Hey, uh, Charles, sorry about this. I know you lost by a few points last year, but we are going to take the decision to replace you with John or lazy. I wouldn't be mad. He'd understand that, right? He'd totally understand that. Yeah. That's fair. Yeah, so perhaps not a surprise for you to have Ferrari second after what you said in the initial salvo.
Starting point is 00:11:21 Sam, all are you going with? Shock, I'm going to flip your baby and reverse it and what Harry's just saying. I think that a very close second is the Aston Martin. That green is gorgeous. I love the more lime neon. green stripe that they've got down the side. The pink, now I'm looking at more and more really didn't work for me
Starting point is 00:11:40 as a combination and I think it shows you what the liveries were like last season. And I think it's tough competition this year. The lime green and the deep British racing green are absolutely lovely. Yeah, yeah. I mean, there was another one which I'll talk about later that actually was a surprise to me at how much
Starting point is 00:11:56 I liked it, but it wasn't enough to top those top two. I gave second place last year to the same team. giving second place to this year, and that is Aston Martin as well. So I do think it's a minor improvement on last year. I agree with what you've said. I think the yellow does burst a little bit more than the pink did.
Starting point is 00:12:19 And I know Aster Martin had concerns as they went throughout the year that the green, you know, the racing green didn't quite pop as much as they wanted for TV cameras, but I don't think they're going to have the same problem this year. Like you say, Harry, but as soon as it got back out on track, you know, it was there. was there. So yeah, I think it's a great livery. I was I was a bit worried initially when Aramco came on board as to how they would get Aramco and cognizant as sort of co-lead sponsors almost on the side of the car. I didn't know if that was going to work and I think they've done a pretty good job with it. So yeah, I'm going to go with them a second. Oh, I've got the string back
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Starting point is 00:13:49 Or Dave Benson Phillips He'll get back to us Yeah sure He'll probably definitely say no Most Improved Livery What are you going for some Now this one for me was the one that 100% surprised me the most.
Starting point is 00:14:06 And last season, I thought they were a bit... It was a nice livery. Like, I had no issues with it. But it was a bit bland. It was a bit like, oh, I thought you could do more. And this year, oh, I was like, hang on a minute. That isn't meant to be that nice. Alpha and Mayo, it looks like a Christmas done right.
Starting point is 00:14:25 You know, that red with the little green stripe. It looks like a candy cane that's wrapped up around the car. It's absolutely stunning. I don't know why turning the colour palette from along the car to around the car makes it so much more enjoyable to look at. But it does. And they saved it till last. And actually, I was a bit annoyed that they left it to after testing, the fake testing, of course, which is definitely just a shakedown. What's testing?
Starting point is 00:14:52 Sorry, Will Bucks. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's just a shakedown, everyone. It's just a filming day. But yeah, that Alfa Romeo is absolutely stung. Really impressed with it. was not expecting it to look that good.
Starting point is 00:15:03 I thought, oh, save that one until last. It means it's going to be a let down at the end. But no, bloody love it. Absolutely great-looking car. Valtry Bottas, once again, will be one of the sexiest men on the grid. You feel it all right, so. Is the best that's ever been?
Starting point is 00:15:19 As soon as the season gets going, I'm sure a normal return to form on that. But for the record, with Alfa Romeo, I disqualified them from all positive awards because they left it until after testing. And I'm calling it testing as well. The latest episode, so they're banned.
Starting point is 00:15:37 Exactly. If it weren't for them, we'd have done this last week. We don't know what it looks like out on track. So, Alfa Romeo are, in my book, disqualified for many possibilities. I'm actually going to go with the Ferrari as the most improved. I had it just a sliver behind Aston Martin in third for all the reasons that you've given.
Starting point is 00:15:58 I gave it most improved because when deliveries came out last year, that awful green on the side of the car, it's still... And we love green? It's imprinted in my mind in a horrible way. So I'm glad that it's gone, basically. That's why it's most improved. Yeah, fair.
Starting point is 00:16:19 That's fair. Yeah, also no mission wing hour at all, which I actually think is also a massive improvement anyway, even without the green. That sponks, it was rubbish. Yeah. because it didn't win. Most of the proof of you, Harry?
Starting point is 00:16:32 I'm afraid to, I'm going to have to agree with Sam. I'm going for Alfa Mayo on this one. Yes! What was an all right livery, but I was kind of getting bored of it, I think, and it was gradually getting worse, in my opinion, as time or not. I don't really know, I can't really pinpoint why, but it just seemed to be getting worse. Absolutely banger.
Starting point is 00:16:52 And I know, Ben, you've disqualified them and quite right, to be honest, but I've still got to give it to them. and mainly for the, for the, they've coloured in the hubcaps, whatever you call him, because no other team's really done that. Rebel's got a red, red stripe around it. But yeah, like, be imaginative for that. You've got extra space to paint. So, yeah, cheers Alfortari.
Starting point is 00:17:13 It's a beautiful looking colour. Alpha Tauri. Oh, Alfredo. Sorry. Sorry about that, France Tos. My bad. Oh, French, time. He's a friend, he was a friend of the podcast until that.
Starting point is 00:17:27 comment Harry so I'd like I've lost another one right that's far too much positivity we need to be negative biggest letdown so this isn't necessarily the worst livery on the grid because we're going to get
Starting point is 00:17:45 to that but the biggest letdown one you expected more from how are you going for on this one my biggest letdown and I feel bad for this because I feel like this sponsorship deal is coming late it's given the designers a headache The biggest letdown is the Alpine for me, because even with the pink BWT sponsorship coming in,
Starting point is 00:18:07 I think there was some real opportunities to be quite creative with this, sort of blending the blue and the pink. And even if they hadn't done that, then they shouldn't be such cowards and commit to the whole season of having that pink car, because the pink car is much better, and the pink and the blue car, no. It's a big old no. And the thing that tops it off is that red, was it, map-free logo? in the bin
Starting point is 00:18:32 yeah I'm sorry because I really like I think I had Alpine second last year and this year it's it's let me down is the biggest letdown so sorry Fernando sorry Esteban
Starting point is 00:18:45 your car will look good will stand out for the first two races and after that I don't want to see it I have to say I mean any team that has played around with the idea of multiple
Starting point is 00:18:59 liveries always goes great. I mean, just ask BAR. Yeah, it goes fantastically well on track. I love the zip that they had down the front of their car. I mean, how... More Zips on Formula One cars. I wonder how Alpine have got away with this, because BAR couldn't. I know it's maybe because they'd both be the same, but...
Starting point is 00:19:16 Yeah, they ran two separate cars, that's the problem. Well, they weren't allowed to, but yeah. Well, anyway, they tried. Of course, so we got one vote for Alpine in terms of the biggest letdown. Sam? Now, I can totally understand why Harry has gone for Alpine, and I followed this really closely. As I, again, my completely unqualified person here, who has no same design. I pay attention to it very closely, though.
Starting point is 00:19:41 I love it. It's fun. So I followed the designers for the Alpine team, and they were teasing and harking on about this being some kind of cyberpunk, retro Miami, sunset, spectacle. They kept saying, we've got the best, even when it wasn't revealed, we've still got the best delivery on the grid. So I was really hyped to see this, because those themes really appealed to me on other things. So I can understand why when that came out, that was a big letdown. And I thought for me that would be the biggest letdown. But it wasn't.
Starting point is 00:20:10 It was not indeed. Alfred Mayo did a great job. What I think is they've almost recreated the very famous red and white McLaren, right, from the Sengen days. I think they've done a very good job, almost modern eyes. It wasn't their livery, but it looks like a modern version of that livery. I think that's why I like it so much. The other team that have tried to recreate a famous past livery, whether it be Formula One base or not, is McLaren.
Starting point is 00:20:32 They teased for about a month, this kind of different shade of orange, the light blue, a bit more black spruce skiing. Everyone was thinking, hang on a minute. Are we going to get a full season of the golf livery? Or something to that effect. If we get a black and orange car, and you know what?
Starting point is 00:20:48 Go back through your history of liverys, folks. Go look at the Arrow's car, please, because that is also a mighty livery. We absolutely love that. So when I saw those colour combinations, I got very excited. I thought this is going to be a belton. This will be my favourite livery of the whole season. I'm going to love it.
Starting point is 00:21:05 And they released it. And I thought, oh, it's a bit bright. It's a bit garish. You've kind of gone two-fold the saturation of each colour. And then they ran it without the Vue's sponsorship, because it's nicotine-based. They also allowed to be run. And it looked incredibly bare.
Starting point is 00:21:20 And like it was just some kind of, like a kid went into, like a pencil case, pulled out some highlighters and decided to not use the crayons, but colored the whole car in a highlighter pen. And I just think it looks really, really bad on track as well. It looks really overly saturated. I don't like it at all. I'm so disappointed by how it's turned out.
Starting point is 00:21:42 So while I understand Harry's Alpine shout, I think it's a fair shout, Maca, absolute disaster. And I'm really gutted, because I'd be really liking the direction they'd be going. But for me, yeah, McLaren, by far the biggest letdown of the other lot. I think the McLaren Lever is probably the biggest Marmite one this year,
Starting point is 00:22:01 in that some absolutely love it, some absolutely hate it. I probably actually find myself somewhere in the middle with it, to be honest. I'm leaning towards your opinion, Sam, and probably not quite as far as you are. But yeah, a lot of people love this one, and I'm not there with it. I'm going to offer another team up, actually, for biggest letdown. something different. And in my view, the one I'm going to give here,
Starting point is 00:22:28 there are actually at least three other liveries that I dislike more than this one. But it's a biggest letdown because I feel like it's not far off being brilliant, but it's just let down by a few key components. I'm going to go with Mercedes for biggest letdown. Just because I think if you change one or two things, it's a great livery.
Starting point is 00:22:49 I knew at some point they were going to go and transition from black back. to the old sort of silver arrows of old. I love the black livery, so I'm a bit disappointed in that respect, but I knew it was going to happen. And they were capable of putting something decent together with the silver livery.
Starting point is 00:23:05 And I think the turquoise looks brilliant. The problem for me is the red just doesn't work. The red doesn't work. And also, even if that wasn't there, I think the stars on the back don't look good either. What are the stars doing? Why are they going there, aren't they?
Starting point is 00:23:23 I miss AMD, AMD, AMG, AMG, AMG, AMG, AMG, AMG. Anga, Anga, Anga, Anga. This is my point about why it's most disappointing. It's because you just literally have to change those two things, and I think it's a great livery, is let down by, you know, a few of the others, I just think are fundamentally bad designs. This, I don't think is, but it just, just change those few. Why?
Starting point is 00:23:45 Well, I know why, because Ineos equals money and Ineos equals red, but come on. That looks totally. actually. If you listen to our Feb 2020 version of this, I think probably said the same thing because they came out of the silver initially didn't they with that red
Starting point is 00:24:02 and it just doesn't. I don't know why because in theory it should work but I just don't like it. Black and red work, white a red work that middle ground just doesn't seem to have any colour that pops. I think it just looks
Starting point is 00:24:16 a bit dirty because you haven't got one of them that stands out enough. I was just going to say I know we got the listing from first to in this, I guess we could. But I've got pretty much what five liveries I absolutely love and five liveries that I'm really quite disappointed fag up with. So first seizing a while that I'm fully polarised on the gridding, I think. That's interesting.
Starting point is 00:24:38 Sorry. I was going to say I've got three. I've got three that I love. But yeah, a lot of middling ones is here for me. Well, maybe we can do a quick run through it. the ending for each of us just so everyone gets aghist i haven't put mine in the top ten but you feel free lads all right and now we get onto the dreaded worst livery harry who you're going for um it's already been mentioned i'm quite shocked on saying this but it's mclaren i um i'm i'm on that that
Starting point is 00:25:18 bad end of marmite on that scale because actually when it first came out I was like whoa that's bright still it's still orange they've changed up the blue and I was like well meh it's it's fine but I was like it's still it's still it's right and then I saw on the track and Sam you're absolutely right it's like highlighters it's the exact color of those two highlights you get you need a little the yellow one and it'll be pretty disgusting I guess Lando's helmet That adds to it Yeah I just
Starting point is 00:25:51 I just don't like it And it's really I think that the orange on the side pod For me makes it look really chunky I don't know why This is probably just my weird Weird way of looking at it I think as Sam said
Starting point is 00:26:06 Without the views Of the Velo sponsorship It just looks odd And I just don't like it And it makes me sad Because the McLaren liveries whilst not maybe the best on the grid, but they've been solid for the past couple of years.
Starting point is 00:26:20 And they have become increasingly blue, which I've accepted, but now it's a different shade of blue and there's too much of it for my liking, I'm afraid. We've got enough blue on this grid, as Sam has said many times. Don't get Sam started on that one. Here we go. Other people saying it, it's about time.
Starting point is 00:26:38 I'll tell you, interestingly, the blue part of it is not the bit I dislike most. It's just the black line of sponsors. It's like they couldn't integrate them in any way, so they just thought, right, let's put a black strip right down the side of the car and put them all in there.
Starting point is 00:26:54 What it reminds me of, Ben, which I think is a great point to call out, you know, when you buy a new box of tea bags, and it's got that thin plastic line that you've got unwrapped to open, to get the cling film off the box of tea bags, that's what, you pull that black line of sponsors and the car will unwrap. So,
Starting point is 00:27:10 if you want Yorkshire tea, pull that black line. If Yorkshire would like to sponsor the I'm all for it, by the way. We've managed to put Yorkshire tea in the podcast two weeks in a row now. That's slightly concerning. Yep. Moving on. I imagine ladies and gents that Mercedes, they won the Constructors' Championship last year.
Starting point is 00:27:32 Imagine them finishing last this year. It would be unspeakable, unheard of, ridiculous. But that is exactly what's happening here. Because the team that I put as my favourite last year is the team I'm putting is the worst this year and that is alpine um quite frankly i don't care if it's the blue or the pink one i think they both suck i'm savage it looks like i don't know the bw t sponsorship might have been a bit late in the year it feels like they had the makings of a good livery like they did last year and then at the last minute they've gone right how do we get bwt on it well let's put a bit there
Starting point is 00:28:11 literally out with their paint brushes like sloshing it at the water put a bit there all bit there that'll do yeah fantastic that that is our livery I think it looks awful I don't like it
Starting point is 00:28:24 I don't like it I think if they'd written the BWT because obviously BWT is written in blue they'd written the BWT just in pink and had pink on the blue car that might look quite good maybe but they're like as you say the pink one that's what
Starting point is 00:28:39 that's what they're done with the pink one isn't it The car is all pink and they've just written it in blue. Exactly. So like invert that rather than do what they've done and have the pink splodges because it's rubbish. So yes, by quite a long ways, but this is the only livery that I categorically like hate. You know, the McLaren I think was a massive disappointment. And there are a few others that we haven't mentioned that are a bit mayor for me. But this is the only one that I was like, I don't like this. So the SimTech wins that award.
Starting point is 00:29:09 But I'm so glad to see SimTech back on. the grid. It's been a while, on it? Mika Hakenen style of it come about that, but yeah, good one Simtech. Worst one from your side, Sam. Well, we've been speaking of Blue, and I wouldn't be a livery review podcast if I didn't mention Blue, and they have the audacity to put the number one on this car. I don't believe the sheer, the cheek
Starting point is 00:29:40 I am sick to death of this Red Bull livery. I even saw it in person at the factory and I looked at it and I went, Still crap. Honestly, I'm fed up with it. I'm so tired of this badly painted, doesn't stand out properly, Red Bull, the yellow outline on this awful deep blue background.
Starting point is 00:30:03 It's so boring. It's so repetitive. They've not changed it for about 10 seasons. It's our brand! I don't care what it is. Put it in the big, do something more exciting, because it's boring, all right? It's so boring.
Starting point is 00:30:18 Everyone was sat there thinking, I bet Haas gets bottomed. I have a heart to give it to Haas. Red Bull, drink some of your own stuff, give yourself some wings, fly off to maybe a design museum, look at what looks nice in the world,
Starting point is 00:30:29 and put that on the car, because this is atrocious. Why are you going to speak to the Oracle? Find out in the future what looks good and make it happen, because your car is only good in a, dusting. I fell up with it. I hate it. It's by far the worst one.
Starting point is 00:30:44 And the one that I dislike by far the most. Case closed. I think the Red Bull livery does have a good classic iconic versus boring discussion about it, doesn't it? There are some that are going to fall on both sides of that.
Starting point is 00:31:01 Oh yeah, I think that one actually quite polarising. I think a lot of people compare it to the Martini Williams livery of kind of it's a classic you know, livery that everyone respects. I got fed up with that one as well. That was dull and boring and look pants. So Red Bull fall under that category.
Starting point is 00:31:15 Imagine if you could record a podcast in like the 80s and 90s and it's 1995 and once again McLaren had brought out the Marlborough McLaren and Livry and Sam's head would just pop. Not again. There's too much rain.
Starting point is 00:31:38 Yeah, I think I'm actually with you on this. this one in that I'm on the boring side rather than the iconic side for this livery. And I also think, what's the name of that? Another crypto card is ByBit, is that what it's called? The one that's on the, they put that on the, it looks bit rubbish. It looked better at launch than it does now when they didn't have ByBit on it. And Oracle. They didn't have Oracle on it either, did it?
Starting point is 00:32:06 No. That's true. No. Yeah. I'm just looking through the list. I mean a few that haven't got any awards whatsoever, which I guess means they're pretty middle of the road, but might as well discuss them.
Starting point is 00:32:17 Yeah, the Hasse. Any thoughts on that one? They're having a hard time again, in it? Personally, glad they've got rigged the oral carly sponsorship. I'm glad that's getting ripped off, and we will discuss the Russian thing later, but from a pure aesthetic point of view of looking at something,
Starting point is 00:32:32 glad it's gone. And also, I've kind of respect to white car, right? We love the Braun. If they want to get another sponsor on there, that Chuck's an interesting car. colour onto it, andretti, talking to you, then, you know, I'm here for it. I don't mind a white car. As long as they get something that makes it pop a little bit, I'm good with it.
Starting point is 00:32:50 Yeah, I mean, for the love of, and look, they've got enough on their plate, have the poor people that Hass this week. But, but please don't go back to the grey. I know you've lost your main sponsor, but please. Please don't go back. Yellow, yellow is available. Do yellow. Yellow is so available.
Starting point is 00:33:09 No one... It's a great colour for a race car. Purple. That's fine as well. Just the American flag. I mean, that would be bold. That would be very bold. Just do an eagle.
Starting point is 00:33:21 Make the whole car a bald golden eagle down the wing. That's fine with me. Just go bold, please. Yeah. I think the only one that hasn't got mention outside of Hass is Williams. Really?
Starting point is 00:33:35 Big up Williams. Tim Tech. Big him up. In terms of blue, they've done blue properly they could be the only blue car on the grid and I know everyone has said it but pure SimTech vibes sticking MTV logo on there as well I'd be an happy boy it was honestly
Starting point is 00:33:50 the other contender for most improved for me I really really like the Williams this year looks great out on track as well yeah that was gonna be my point I think the renders that we got I was like nah but on track it looks lovely yeah I think it's okay I think I like this one less than the average person does But do you like it more or less than last year's?
Starting point is 00:34:16 Oh, way more than last year's. Lassies was awful. Yeah. This one, this one's pretty good. I don't love it. Some people do, but yeah, I think it's fine. Someone plus give them a sponsor. Yeah, right, what's that about?
Starting point is 00:34:32 Jerusalem can't propacted. I mean, if they'd like ask a sponsor them, It will be for free, but we'll also do propaganda on the podcast for them. And we will demand that you change your paint scheme to the brawn. You'll have to become a brawn. We will be black, white and green, please. Late Breaking sponsorships, sure to hit your nothing in never. We are great at marketing.
Starting point is 00:34:57 You're welcome. Despite all three of us working in it. Let's move on. And I said at the beginning of this, I think this will be the biggest contrast. between serious and silly that we'll have all year, because we will move on to what is happening in the world. And a lot has happened in the last seven days,
Starting point is 00:35:22 specifically talking about, of course, the invasion of Ukraine and the impact that that's having in the F-1 world. And we'll do this in a few different bits because there are elements to this. We're going to start with the announcement that came towards the end of last week, which was specifically from Formula One. There is an FIA statement that we'll look at a little bit later on, but we'll look at the F1 statement from last week,
Starting point is 00:35:47 which was talking about the Russian Grand Prix very specifically. And I won't read the whole thing, but they did put here that on Thursday evening, Formula 1, the FIA and the teams discussed the position of our sports, and the conclusion is, including the view of all relevant stakeholders, that it is impossible to hold the Russian Grand Prix in the current circumstances.
Starting point is 00:36:08 And we know it's been removed from the Formula 1, website, chats of Turkey potentially replacing it. Sam, what was your reaction to the news that it looks like the Russian Grand Prix is not going to happen this year? So, yeah, obviously moving away from the fun and sending us that was the livery reveal. And you guys may have obviously looked at our social media and thought that late breaking haven't said anything about what's going on in the world. I think the three of us are in the agreement of we don't need to add something to the worldview if it isn't helpful and if it isn't going to aid in what's going on, whilst we stand behind everything that's happening with Ukraine,
Starting point is 00:36:43 we want to support them entirely. But when something came out about Formula One relating, of course, it becomes relevant for us to talk about it. Now, the world are placing sanctions across Russia and everything Russia do, culturally, financially, sporting, anything that can be sanctioned is being so. And so I don't see why Formula One is any different to that. They've got a country, they're just a company,
Starting point is 00:37:06 they're the same as football, or they're the same as the Olympics, which is an interesting one actually one that I think is up for debate here because obviously Russians were allowed to compete in the Olympics with the dope scandal which of the doping scandal which obviously is a different matter but the fact that we're removing the Russian Grand Prix from the calendar I think is entirely the right decision the invasion of Ukraine is horrible and incredibly wrong and if the Russian forces aren't going to be met with force on the other side then you have to do other measures and that is those sanctions and one of those sanctions is deprive that country of all good things that come from external
Starting point is 00:37:45 opportunities, external businesses, whether that be imports of luxury goods, whether that be access to certain entertainment stuff, and one of those is sporting, and the sports has already taken away the Champions League, and that's put that into Paris, in France, and of course, I think Formula One had to do its bit, and that is to remove the Russian Grand Prix. you have to make sure that the Russian government are feeling the pressures at every single turn. And that will make the Russian people speak out. That will make rushing athletes, which we will get onto. I know that Ben's going to read more of the statement, we'll get onto it.
Starting point is 00:38:19 There has to make them speak out and apply the pressure onto the government. And I'm sure that the FIA understand that that isn't fair on the everyday Russian person. They obviously want to see Formula One as a normal person they deserve to see racing. They have that opportunity. They should see it. But that's the point. You take something away that people enjoy and they will complain about it. And the more complaints that you get across the whole country for all these different things,
Starting point is 00:38:42 it means that Russia might stop what they're doing and understand the level of hurt that they're putting on a whole country. So no, I'm fully for it. I think it's right to stop the Russian Grand Prix. I'm glad the opportunities hopefully going to be given to someone else. And I don't think those opportunities should be given to a country that is going to go into these details. And we've expressed this about other countries in the past, in the main. Middle East for example, the likes of China as well. They've had their issues, of course, and many other countries that we brought up.
Starting point is 00:39:13 So I believe that these things should occur to countries that don't treat their population correctly or other populations correctly. So yeah, well done Formula One. It took you a little while and you were weirdly hesitant about it, but I'm glad that you have pulled the Russian Grand Prix. So if we look at the, and again, we'll separate out the F1 statement, versus the FIA statement that came yesterday as we record this. I was very disappointed with the initial F1 statement that was made. I completely agree with the decision to remove the Russian Grand Prix. I was disappointed with the response from them.
Starting point is 00:39:54 It wasn't as scathing. It wasn't as succinct. It wasn't the response that I was looking for. and they have somewhat honed in on their view in this second statement that's come up, but at least initially they were a bit vague. And actually, I think this is quite concerning because this is very consistent from the FIA, but actually their statement to me is very open to interpretation to the point where I don't actually feel comfortable enough saying that they've cancelled this.
Starting point is 00:40:26 If we're looking at the statement and what they've put, that last line where they've said that it is impossible to hold the Russian Grand Prix in the current circumstances. That last line is not needed. It is impossible to hold the Russian Grand Prix, therefore it is cancelled. That is a perfectly fine closing off of that paragraph or something of the like. Impossible to hold the Russian Grand Prix in the current circumstances, to me, knowing the FIA's track record, leaves the door open. I really think it does.
Starting point is 00:40:57 And the way that it's going as well, I don't think there's much of a chance that this will. happen but I don't actually think they've closed the door by what they've said. Sometimes with these sort of responses I think it's more about what's not there versus what actually is there and yeah, like I say, I feel they could have done a much better job clarifying this Grand Prix is not happening this year. They didn't need to be any more complicated than that. Just this Grand Prix is not happening this year, it is cancelled, but by saying that it is impossible to hold the Russian Grand Prix in the current circumstances, but if circumstances change in a few months time, maybe we can line our pockets a bit more. I didn't like it at all. I feel they could have been
Starting point is 00:41:45 a lot more direct with the language. Harry, what's your thoughts? Yeah, I completely agree, and my main point was going to be around that language, and whether that was by mistake or by design. I would suspect the... Clever mark. Track record. Exactly. Exactly. So... It's clever copyright. For me, it... And I obviously agree with what you both said around
Starting point is 00:42:09 it being the right decision. But for me, it kind of started a reek of Melbourne 2020 again because we... And obviously it's far different circumstances. But you... There was no initial reaction
Starting point is 00:42:25 from F1 or at least the initial reaction was we're monitoring it. I mean, great. The world's monitoring it, lads. But anyway, but the first real indication that it wasn't going to happen was from the drivers again. And we once again had Sebastian Vettel saying, I'm not going to race. And we had the same thing in Melbourne 2020. And I'm not saying it's all down to Seb, because I think other drivers, you know, I'm sure they'd asked Lewis Hamilton either said the same thing. But Stappen, I think, also said a similar sort of thing. And it was sort of, they again forced, Formula One's hand on this, again, like I say, not to the same extent or to the same last-minute extent.
Starting point is 00:43:04 But it's just, I don't know, they just need to be, and obviously these are extraordinary circumstances, as was Melbourne 2020. But for me, it just feels like need to be on top of this a bit more and react quicker and stop trying to wait to see if these situations will pan out to be better and everything will be fine. Stop trying to pretend like it will be fine because it's almost the second time that it's been. them and bit them on the backside. Obviously, Melbourne 2020 really did bite them on the backside. So for me, it just, yeah, disappointing on that front, the language use was, yeah, like you say, been very, very vague. Obviously, I think it is cancelled and they won't be going this year.
Starting point is 00:43:47 But they should have just come out and said it to begin with because the situation has not improved since then, it's got worse. And being vague to start with, just they've, make themselves look silly because obviously it definitely is not going to happen now so you should just say that in the in the first place so um yeah right decision absolutely but yeah a disappointed response it has to be said yeah i mean we're monitoring what what are you waiting for like what sign are you looking for to say yeah that is that is definitely the right decision here if it should not go ahead i feel like you've got enough evidence in front of you at that point to say yeah it probably
Starting point is 00:44:26 shouldn't happen. Exactly. We'll move on then to the FIA statement that's followed. So this was from yesterday. This is more relating to FIA competition rather than just Formula One and looking at the Russian Grand Prix. And this also involved drivers rather than just events. So just a few key points from this. You can read it in full on the FIA website on Twitter and I'm sure in other places as well. But competitions organized, within Russia and indeed Belarus as well, they will not be going ahead until further notice. And perhaps most notably, this is the bit we'll discuss.
Starting point is 00:45:06 Russian and Belarusian drivers cannot race under the flags of Russia and Belarus. However, they can compete in FIA events under a neutral flag, I think the actual FIA flag, which is interesting. And all sports are having to look at this decision at the moment, and they've all come up with their separate solutions. This is the FIA's solution. Russian and Belarusian drivers will still be able to race, but they must do so under a neutral flag.
Starting point is 00:45:38 The only thing to say here is that after this came out, the British Motorsport Council came together and decided that Russian and Belarusian drivers will not be allowed to race within Britain. So theoretically, and just using F1 as an example here, Nikita Mazapin under these rules would not be allowed to race at the British Grand Prix very specifically.
Starting point is 00:46:01 There's a lot there. Harry, what's your thoughts on the FIA's decision and also the decision taken specifically related to the UK? Yeah, I mean, this one is obviously far more complicated or far more complex, I think, than the F1 decision to not race at the Russian GP.
Starting point is 00:46:23 I think that there are arguments for both sides, and leaving Mazbin as an aside as an example, because obviously his father is very rich and has connections to Putin. But if you're banning or punishing these Russian drivers based on purely the fact that they are Russian, it leaves complex issues in that, you know, they may not even support this. They don't actually have any links to it.
Starting point is 00:46:56 But then at the same time, the FIA line of, well, they can compete under an FIA flag, it's like in the Olympics when we've had the Russian Olympic Committee or whatever it is, they're not Russia,
Starting point is 00:47:08 but they are Russia. It's, it's, everyone knows that they are still Russian athletes or Russian drivers or, you know, or whatever. And that doesn't reflect well
Starting point is 00:47:20 because you know that they're, they are still Russian and you know underneath the FIA flag or whatever it may be so it's a really complex one and I can see why the FIA have done it I still think it's it's weak especially at a time where I think a united front on these sanctions is is probably the best way that this comes to an end so I can understand why the FIA have done it but I don't think it's going to work and I think the British motorsport or motorsport UK, whatever that council called, their
Starting point is 00:47:55 approach is kind of undermined it because it came out the day after so even though Mazepin and I can't remember the drivers they're in F2 and W series that are Russian even though they could compete this year they won't be able to compete at the British GP as it stands so
Starting point is 00:48:10 it's a really messy situation and like I say I can understand both sides because in some cases they're main you know, there's no link between these drivers and what is happening in Ukraine currently. But like I said, I think a united front on what these sanctions are is the best way, is the best way to stop it because if you're not sanctioning the entire country, then I don't think things are going to stop or get better.
Starting point is 00:48:39 So, yeah, it's a really tricky one. As I said, I think the FA response wasn't the correct one, but I can understand the reasoning behind it. Yeah, you're right when you say that there are good arguments on both sides for this. And I've seen some good articles out there today advocating different positions. There's one from Chris Medland, who's a very well-respected F1 journalist. He essentially believes that the decision from the FIA was the incorrect one. And this is pretty shocking because I don't say this very often.
Starting point is 00:49:15 I actually agree with the FIA on this one. I think they've made the right call with this. As a British person, it would be easy for me to say that all Russians should be banned from all sporting competitions. And the reason is because it's very unlikely that I'll ever be in that position myself where I am punished on an international scale as a result of the actions of the government of the country that I'm living in. is very unlikely I would ever be in that position. So it's easy for me to point at a different country and say that should be the way that it is because I can't have that empathy of knowing that I have gone through that or that I ever will. I actually think this comes back to another debate that we've had not that long ago
Starting point is 00:50:07 relating to the Saudi Arabian Grand Prix, where the debate is essentially, should the people of Saudi Arabia, and this is related to fans rather than drivers, but should the people of Saudi Arabia not get the opportunity to CF1 cars go around a racetrack because of the atrocities of a government that they might not be in any way connected to? And my answer to that is they should be given the opportunity to CF1 even though you are benefiting the government by doing so as well. And I actually think this situation is slightly less interlinked, the Russian one is slightly less interlinked,
Starting point is 00:50:46 versus that Saudi Arabian one. So the whole issue with having a Saudi Arabian Grand Prix is that you can only benefit both sides and you can only take away from both sides. You can't have one or the other. If you want to give Saudi Arabian people the opportunity to CF1, you can only do so by benefiting the government
Starting point is 00:51:05 that is putting on the race. And likewise, if you are not giving them a race as a, you know, atrocities of human rights, if you're saying that you should absolutely not have a race here, you are then punishing the people of the country as well. You can't have one or the other. It's either both punishing or both benefiting. With this bit, with the Russian situation,
Starting point is 00:51:28 I don't actually think that is the same in that if you are not putting, if you are saying that they shouldn't race, is that going to affect Vladimir Putin and Russia in any way whatsoever? I don't believe it is. I don't think these sanctions would actually mean a lot for the country itself. And it is important to remember as well, and you bring up the sort of Russian Olympic Committee, and it's a very good point that you made, Harry.
Starting point is 00:51:58 It's important to remember that drivers are not representing their country in F1. They are representing themselves and they are representing a team. I don't believe that they are representing their nation whatsoever. Might well come up as a flag when the name comes up on the, on the screen and such, but they have no, apart from that, they have no tie to their country. They're not winning medals for their country. They're winning for their team. And they have, the FIA have banned teams from Russia and Belarus, which I think is the right call.
Starting point is 00:52:31 So overall, I actually think they've made the right decision here, but I can very legitimately see why people disagree with that and think that this should, be a blanket ban for all. I just think because they're racing for themselves, I don't think that they should be punished that way. And just to finish off on this point, a lot of people are looking at this through the lens of Nikita Mazepin, and that is valid because he's probably the biggest name that this will affect. But as Harry mentioned, it's important to remember that this is an FIA statement. It's not an F1 statement, and it is affecting any Russian and Belarusian driver. If you think of, I know he's not competing in F2 this year, but Robert Schwartzman, you think Danny Kaviat, you think Sergey Sorokin possibly,
Starting point is 00:53:21 Alexander Smolier, who is supposed to be racing in F3 this year, I think. So you've got a lot of drivers that it's affecting outside of Mazapin, so it's important not to just look at it through that lens. I'll hand over to you next time. Yeah, I actually want to start with a Mazapin thing, because that feels like what the argument is driving, because I know the three of us aren't the biggest fans of McKee to Madaping. We all disagree with how he's conducting himself outside of Formula One with his.
Starting point is 00:53:49 And I don't want to go into those events again because we don't need to. But I can see why people are taking this a little bit personally against him. He is the biggest name. And I don't want to do that. So for this argument, I want to separate Mazurping. It's just a Russian driver. He is a driver in Formula One or an FIA sporting area who comes from Russia. Now, Ben, I think all the points of you make are perfectly valid, but I entirely disagree.
Starting point is 00:54:11 I think that a full span for all Russian drivers should occur, and that's because sanctions are like dominoes. And, you know, you take away one and you take away another, and it gets weaker, and it gets weaker, it gets weaker, and it's less fun to play with dominoes, when you've only got two dominos can play with a scale of 403, for example. And I agree, they've got every sanction hold to the same level of potency, the same level of power. But if you look at where motorsport comes from, it comes from a form of wealth.
Starting point is 00:54:39 it comes from a form of attracting sponsorship which brings in financial opportunities and a lot of Russian drivers are backed by high standing members of Russian society and again unfortunately Mazepin is a key one there but there are others and you need to hit
Starting point is 00:54:56 people like Putin's in a circle you need to hit people that drive finances into Russia and it is unfair you're right entirely to say that you know Robert Schwartzman you're not allowed to have a career this year because your leader decided to invade other country. I agree. That is not fair on Robert Schwartzman. It's also not fair on the people of
Starting point is 00:55:15 Russia to say they can't have a Grand Prix now because your leader decided to evade the country. I think it has to be you take away from the Russian people, or you should take away from the Russian high end as well. And I agree with what the British Racing Society did, and said that you can't have Russian drivers come to the UK. And it's the same with sponsorship. And I think what's interesting about sponsorship is that hasn't been mentioned in any FIA statement. I know that high tech obviously aren't allowed to race as the current ownership
Starting point is 00:55:41 they've had to pass that over because that was partially owned by Mazepin the Mazepin family but you know there's no actual explicit wording that a Russian sponsor isn't allowed to sponsor a team I know that they can't really get their finances out
Starting point is 00:55:53 due to sanctions but that wasn't in there which I thought was weird because obviously that's very cash driven but when it comes to drivers it's more about pressure and I know that that is unfair for people who are young
Starting point is 00:56:03 who are wanting to grow their career who have worked hard But that is the same for anyone, anywhere that is rushing at the moment that is trying to be successful, that disagrees with what the Russian government is doing. It's not fair as a driver, but as a sanction that adds up with many other sanctions, I believe it is fair to put the pressure on from every single side. So, yeah, I'm pleased that the British Racing Society, sorry, have done what they've done, and said that Russian drivers can't race on British soil. And you know what? If it was the other way around then, and use the example you said, if the UK were the country that had committed this atrocity, I would be furious as a member of the society
Starting point is 00:56:39 when I hadn't agreed that as my government who run the country and I would be standing up and I'd be making statements and I'd want to put all the pressure possible with the rest of the people to make a change and unfortunately
Starting point is 00:56:51 Mazavin back to Mazavin didn't do himself any favours with the statement he came out with he was pretty only driver so far that when asked about it was pretty indifferent about what's going on so not ideal so yeah for me
Starting point is 00:57:01 you should put the sanction on we shouldn't allow Russian drivers It's not against them personally. It's about building pressure to stop what is happening in Ukraine, which is just not right. Just to add one thing to what I said, because you've raised the point of sponsorship, which is a good thing. My opinion that they should be allowed to race is very much a base level. So not connected to sponsorship at all. If you have no links whatsoever and you are there just based on your talent and talent alone,
Starting point is 00:57:33 you've got no ties whatsoever I believe you should be allowed to race under a neutral flag not under a Russian flag under a neutral flag as has been said however if you have sponsorship money that is going back in any way to pun or you know
Starting point is 00:57:49 even not that high then I think it's a case by case basis and you do stop that person from competing so I yeah I would say it's a base level for me is fine to compete, but if you have connections
Starting point is 00:58:07 and the reason you're racing is because of money that has come from, you know, the inner circle of Putin, then absolutely not, you should not be racing. What's funny as well is, and this is now this is moving away from the awful situation in Ukraine, but something that is always interesting me with Formula One is how much we skill fixate around nationality
Starting point is 00:58:28 in a sport that is essentially a team-based sport. In football, you haven't got, you know, Manchester United don't go play in the Champions League and have a big English flag hanging above their side of the ground as an English team and it's 1-0 for England technically. Yeah, that's not how it works.
Starting point is 00:58:44 So it's very interesting that we still put such an emphasis on the nationalities of all the drivers when actually they're just individual sports people like any sports person anywhere, aren't they? It's, for my knowledge, the biggest individual representation outside of the Olympics or something like that
Starting point is 00:59:01 for a flag being raised for an individual sports person. Seems irrelevant now. Make them all race under an FIA flag and then they get to choose their own... Their nationality. They're in tune for when they're on the podium. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:16 That would be great, to be fair. That would be great. I would prefer to hear X-Gon give it to you every time... I don't know. Sebastian Vessel Wings. That would be great. It's just super, super max, max,
Starting point is 00:59:29 every time of the staff and more... That's fine. I'm fine with that. You know what? I'd have more fun. A different situation, much more lighthearted, but that is great. If he wins as much this year as he did last year, that can get quite repetitive. That's a lot of supermaxes. As long as we don't have to hear the British National Lantern, then it's fine.
Starting point is 00:59:50 All right, it gets a tyrant. All right, we'll round off today's episode with F1 back and forth. Sam, if you wouldn't mind, take it away. F1, back and forth. it's F1 back and forth it goes backwards then goes forth
Starting point is 01:00:19 it's F1 back and forth F1 a classic it is an absolute classic that makes another return F1 back and forth
Starting point is 01:00:35 Harry versus Sam in a game where I will give them a category there are a number of correct answers within that category they will keep going until one of them can't think of an answer or gives a wrong one and Sam you managed to
Starting point is 01:00:47 get the quiz win last time, so you've managed to get on the board for the year. I think we won all as we head into March between the two of you. So it's all pretty close. I'm so pleased. So pleased with myself. And there's a lot of pressure on this one because the last time we played F1 back and forth, you managed to do all of them. It's a good luck.
Starting point is 01:01:07 Oh yeah, we did. This one, I'll be impressed if you do all of these. I'll be impressed. There are 23 correct dancers in this one. I want you to tell me any driver that has had 10 or more podiums in a single season. And I will give you a bit of a clue on this one, just a bit of a hint. Obviously, there weren't as many races back in the 50s and 60s. The first time this was achieved was in 1977.
Starting point is 01:01:42 So if you're thinking of going further back than that, you're probably wrong. How many are there, Ben? there are 23 Yay, yay, yay. Sam, you got the win last time out, so I'll let you start. That's very kind of you. Well, because there's a certain answer that I'm sure Harry would like to take,
Starting point is 01:02:02 I'll take the other one. Lewis Hamilton. Lewis Hamilton has had 10 or more podiums in a single season. He's had 17 podiums in a season five times. That's pretty important. Wow. 2015, 16, 18, 19 and 21.
Starting point is 01:02:21 He's had 17 podiums. But yes, it's a correct answer. Harry, which answer would you like? He got 100% of podiums back in 2002, 17 out of 17. 100%. That's reductuous. That's incredible. It's already gets a little bit risky
Starting point is 01:02:45 because 10 is such a big number. I'm going to go with Sebastian Vettel. Sebastian Vettel, also 17 podiums back in 2011. Harry. Max, Max, Super Max. He broke the record in 2021. He had 18 podiums last season. Sam.
Starting point is 01:03:12 I don't want to go to... Oh, oh, most podium three of all time. Valtry Botas. surely. Valtry Bottas 15 podiums back in 2019 is his best return. My boat! The boat has come through for you, Sam.
Starting point is 01:03:30 Harry. Nico Rosberg. 16 in 2016 for Nico Rosberg. Sam. It's already really difficult now. Michael's infamous teammate, what infamous,
Starting point is 01:03:54 lovely team mate. Rubens Barrow. Barakello. Rubens Barakello had 14 podiums back in 2004. Harry. Thank God for that. Um, aye, aye. Oh, but that's a nice guy's for headphone users. Yeah, sorry, it, mum. Ah, this is tricky. Tenor's quite a big number, isn't it? Um, uh, Ayrton Senna. Erton Senna, 12 podiums back in 1991, his best result. Sam An audible panic is starting to set in
Starting point is 01:04:52 because ten is such a large number when it comes to podium Oh, you know You've got the head of the fan club here I'm going to have to take a punt Fernando A long so, a long no Hopefully along so
Starting point is 01:05:03 A long scene 15 Podiums back in 2005 Harry I'll go for Senna's teammate For a lot of the time Mr Brost Alain Prost, 14 podiums back in 1988.
Starting point is 01:05:21 Sam. Now we're starting to really deplete those that I thought were obvious. Mois, Kimmy Reikening. Kimmy Reikening. Twelve podiums back in 2005. Oh, you've hesitated. Okay. Harry.
Starting point is 01:05:54 Dr Nigel Mansell. Dr. Nige is a correct answer. 12 podiums back in 1992. So you're over halfway there. 12 out of 23 done, but 11 answers still out there. Sam? I am already pretty depleted. I'm just going to start picking games that are successful in Formula One at this point,
Starting point is 01:06:19 which I mean, it feels like a standard tactic, but Mika Hakenon. Mika Hakenen is a correct answer. 11 podiums back in 1998. Harry? Blimey. Would Ricardo Petrazi have had 10 podiums in season?
Starting point is 01:06:58 Ricardo Petrazi would not have had 10 podiums in a season. Sam gets the win. Still plenty of answers out there. Any stamps? I haven't got a single one. That was. was it, I was washed up, I was done.
Starting point is 01:07:16 I'll take a punt then, just if I'll hurry all you want. Go on, Harry, give another own name if you want. I should have said, Nicky Lauder, he must have been 77, right? Louder was the first person to do it in 77. Ben, one of my thing. Really glad that that was going to be my final punt. So, uh, did Felipe Massa do it? Masa, just because I'm interested.
Starting point is 01:07:36 Masa did it twice. He did it in 2007 and 2008. He got exactly 10. Oh, I can keep going. There can we go. Any other names? DC. DC did it?
Starting point is 01:07:48 Yeah. He was partner to make it. Oh, poor, ma. He had 11 back in 2000. Oh, okay. I bet there's people now screaming at the screen going, come on, this is obvious. Final one then, which I think is probably wrong
Starting point is 01:08:04 because of the absolute demolition job. Did Mark Weber do it when he was at Red. Mark Weber did it twice. 2010 and 2011, he got exactly 10. Exactly 10 in both years Oh, cleaning up Clean up There's six more out there
Starting point is 01:08:18 Um, Jeksen Button He had 12 in 2011 At point Oh yeah, no I think I think now There's obviously going to be some obvious ones left But I think I think I'll call it quits
Starting point is 01:08:42 I think I've done myself proud Any further names from you Harry? Yeah Fair enough I won't make you feel bad at all of course but there are four world champions still on the list here. I was trying to wonder how far back we should go with world champions. Probably not, I think you're probably making that one up.
Starting point is 01:09:07 Nelson P.K., senior, not junior. 11 podiums in 1987. Damon Hill, good old Dill. 11 podiums. He had 11 podiums back in 1994. Harry's favourite, Jack Vilnour, 11 podiums in 96 Alan Jones
Starting point is 01:09:28 10 podiums in 1980 and I wouldn't have got this last answer interestingly enough Shao LeCler 10 in 2019 Wow Yang I wouldn't have said that either So there were two that I had All the others I had thought of and semi-dismissed
Starting point is 01:09:46 But Jones and LeCleur I think it'd be good Nice one Chuck So what on Sam I mean you Do I take the list? Am I winning? You are leading for the year. He's going to do a lap of his room now, aren't he?
Starting point is 01:10:01 Is he? I want to shout really loudly, but someone's already complained about the levels today on Twitter. Let's leave our levels alone. Whispering, shout. So, I mean, since you are victorious, it's time for you to play us out.
Starting point is 01:10:20 Sure. F-1. Back and forth, it's F-1. Back and forth, it goes backwards. Then goes forth, it's F1. Back and forth, F1. I would describe that as an absolute bumper episode. I feel we've covered a lot.
Starting point is 01:10:52 We've had a lot, didn't it? Been wanging on for ages, isn't we? Wanging on. Yeah, that was a real roller coaster of silliness, of really important stuff, and then a classic jingle with a fun little games to round off. That was a real moment that episode. Encapsulated LB, really, didn't it?
Starting point is 01:11:11 Yeah. It did. It did. And we got the store plugging. And we got the store plug in. And you got another one in by plugging the plug from earlier. Good job. It's kind of a, kind of, I'm winking at the camera, but you can't see it, folks.
Starting point is 01:11:26 He does work in marketing after all, then he? He does. Cheaky boy. Would you mind getting us out of here, please, Sam? Yeah, I mean, folks, we do live in some obtrous times at the moment. We hope you're all all right, and we hope that, you know, the LB podcast once a week can bring you a little bit of a reprise, a bit of a laugh, a bit of a, you know, something to focus your mind on. You know, I feel like you're talking to some mates or something about something you love.
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