The Late Braking F1 Podcast - Reacting to our 2022 F1 Predictions!

Episode Date: December 7, 2022

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This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Thank you for listening to the Late Breaking F1 podcast. Make sure to tune in for new episodes every Wednesday and Grand Prix Sunday. Hello and a very warm welcome to the late breaking F1 podcast presented by Harry Ead, Sam Sage, and me, Ben Hocking. We have got more picks to go through today. We've already gone through our teammate wars predictions, which I don't really want to talk about any more thanks to the soundboard to send you for a bag of chips. We've got drivers

and constructors championship predictions that we set at the beginning of the year. We'll be reviewing how good they were. Slight spoiler. It ain't looking too good. We'll run through them anyway. We'll be talking about China being off of the

2023 calendar. F1 back and forth makes an appearance today as well. Sam, you must be incredibly excited even more than usual because you get to see me tomorrow. Oh, yeah, I am absolutely buzzing. You're both going to be in my home. And folks, breaking news, the holes in my ceiling have been repaired.

Holy cow. Oh, hang on a minute. Hang on a minute. I'm just going to need you to say that again. Go on. Okay, hold on. The holes in my ceiling have been repaired. It worked, folks.

The sample works for me. You work this week, don't you? You fool. No more leaks. growing out my ceiling, which is lovely. So yeah, the boys are coming around. We're going to a brewery who are doing a free beer night. So if you hear about us being rather drunk on the,

panic on the streets of London starts playing by the clash, then it's because the three of us are tearing about what the rascals we are. It'd be lovely. It's give me a good time. It's the late-breaking Christmas party. Because it's free. Yeah. Yeah, just, hello, have you heard of late-breaking to every person trying to get a pint?

Yeah, actually people listen to this Whilst you listen to us, we'll be at the brewery If you listen to this on Wednesday evening We'll be there If you think, what are the guys up to while they're not recording? We're getting slashed Can I just say second part of second bit of breaking news today? I cooked a gallon.

Oh, of course you're out. Did you actually? How was it, mate? I've had a couple of slices already, but... He's drunk on gammon. I'm saving the rest. I don't need my gammon on a one go, do I? Cracking. Gammon rationing over in.

Oh gosh. Cost of crisis? It cost a crisis? Anyway, move on. I don't know what I'm saying more. There's too many meat references on this podcast. Got beef, we've got sausages, we've got gamming. It's endless.

It's a really good point, Sam. That's a really good point. We need to address that. Get some tofu references in. We do. We need some tofu references up in this place. Right. Let's crack on.

opening topic today. So Ross Brawn might well be on his way out of his current role within Formula One. Thank you for getting in there before I did on that. And he's talking about active aerodynamics and how they might be a bit more significant in years to come similar to DRS. So he was quoted as saying, if you have active aerodynamics, then of course you could affect the car in first. You could have a proximity that once you get within a certain degree, the car in front loses a little bit of downforce, and you gain a little bit of downforce as the driver in second, potentially avoiding runaway victories that we have seen a few of in 2022.

Obviously, Ross Braun isn't, as it is right now, going to be in a position to make any of these changes, but he has at least made this suggestion. He's not necessarily saying it should or shouldn't happen, but he has floats the idea. Sam, do you think that this would be a good idea for Formula One? Gentlemen, a short view back to the past. When I was a young boy many, many moons ago,

I used to go around to my cousins house. My chemical romance over here. Yeah, there you go. My father drove me around to my cousins. Hello, Tom. I know you're listening. To see it. And he regularly used to watch wrestling.

Now, when I was a young boy, between the age of like six and nine, nice. I used to think, snap. I used to think that wrestling was real, right? I didn't know it was all scripted. Hang on, you what? Yeah, shock. Shock of the century, it's not.

It's scripted. Dwayne the Rock Jogson is just an actor. Anyway, Sorry about that. Father Christmas is real, wrestling isn't. My point being here is that the show appeared a lot more exciting when I didn't know that someone was behind the scenes controlling the actions and had an idea of how the events might end up, right?

The audience all thought, well, this is, we don't know what's going to happen. We don't know if John Singer is going to come out on top. Or if maybe, I don't know, Ray Mysterio might do a, I can't remember what move he did, but it was pretty cool from what I remember. My point being here is if Lewis Hamilton is behind Max Verstappen and provides the FU signature move. It's less exciting if Washburn. is sat there with a little computer going,

Aerodynamics for you, no aerodynamics for you. It's just taking it off and adding it on. You know, it's like when Homer Simpson is like, for me, for you. Anyway, my point being is, if Formula One becomes scripted, it becomes a TV show that has got a storyline

that could be controlled by people who, you never know, may have an outside vested interest in what happens in the sport. I think this is a really, really bad way to control Formula One. I think initiatives like the cost cap, which balance the playing field for all, but you still have to make the most of what you've got. And maybe altering how DRS works,

as we've mentioned so many times, we've pushed to pass or DRS outside of one second. And then when you're inside the one second window, you don't get DRS. That stuff is all possible. It makes sense to me, and it would provide interesting racing. But having someone sat there with a little computer going,

I don't want you to have DRS anymore or aerodynamic capabilities anymore. It just feels falsified. It just feels like we're seeing a scripted version of Formula One and I don't want to drive to survive culture and what to sing Formula One, which is still just a sport at the end of the day, which is allowed to occasionally be boring. I know that is a weird claim,

but sport can sometimes be boring. I don't need every single show to be like a blockbuster Netflix release of a Friday night where you hope there's going to be some twist your turn that's controlled by someone else. It doesn't need it. I don't want it. I'd rather have a boring race occasionally and run away victory and see some dominance rather than no, oh, someone's only one second, press the aerodynamic. a mix button and an overtake gets made.

It's not for me. I don't like it. I think it's a really negative side to the sport if it would be brought in. So no thank you, Mr. Ross Brawn. And Max Verstappen comes across the line. He's going to do the final corner here and he is always, oh my, stone cold, stone cold, stone cold.

Raddy or not out of nowhere. Damn. I'd pay to see that, to be fair. Harry, are you a fan of what Ross Braun is saying here? No. Terrible idea. Terrible. Terrible. If Harry's not on the fence about something, he means. It's bad. It's bad. It's terrible.

Ross has got on the old egg nog too early, I think. He's in retirement now, and he's sipping on the Christmas, the Christmas juices. Gabbard juice. Or the gammon juice. I wouldn't sip on Gammond. Anyway. Moving on. This is just a terrible idea. Awful.

Why? I'm not even sure why he said it. What's he trying to do? Do you know what the irony is? And look, you can't hold it. Ross Bron has done a lot for Formula One, admittedly, with these new cars. But the irony being that he was the mastermind behind...

years of runaway race wins. And now he's trying to talk them down as if it's, if it's the, obviously we don't want that all the time. But you're right, Sam. Sport is boring sometimes. Even football in the World Cup. Some of the matches are watched England, USA.

Terrible match. Really boring. So sport can be boring. We just have to accept that sometimes. And you're right. I don't think we should be encouraging this manufactured, way of trying to make it exciting because it were inevitably backfire and make it controversial in some way.

Imagine I'm not going to do that, can I want to go down that road? It would just end in tears. It would end in so many tears and the F1. Was it a corruption-based road because that's the road I was thinking of?

Well, I was just thinking last lap shootouts, but we don't need to be found enough. Oh, I was thinking more if. Oh, independent, controller of the aerodynamics that's bribed by the major corporation. You know, they drank a red bull 15 years ago, so obviously

that it's, it's all against. It opens the door that we don't want to open. F-15. The worst, when you say it out loud, it's the worst combination of words ever. F-1-ext.

F-1-ext. It's just, it's just a really bad idea. I don't know he's not, this, may not happen. But, but there are so many ways that we can make the sport better to make it easier for cars to overtake a follow. As we have done with these, I say we like we've done it as F1 has done. It's all us. It's all us. Um, with these new cars. Um, we do not need

to manufacture it because if a drive, say you have a runaway race winner, that team, that driver on that particular day, they deserve it because they're the, they're the quickest. And that's what F1's about. You can't just punish them for being good at the F1. Why is that fair? So, yeah, no, have another nap, Ross.

Have another eggnog and we'll be right without. Active Aero, fine, but we don't need people pressing buttons making cars slower because that's just stupid. Oh, Ross. Oh, Ross.

She thinks he's going to come on the podcast? Oh, he's gunged him. He's gunged him. Dave, here's your 50p, mate. It's such a long sound effect. No, it's coming up to Christmas. And actually, I'm donating all of Ross Braun's 22 salary to Dave Benson Phillips. You might say, I don't have the authority to do such a thing, and you would be right. And I'm going to say it anyway.

Yeah, honestly, I almost respect Ross Braun for this. I almost respect him. because what he's floating here, he's not advocating for. He's not saying they should do it. He's not going to be in a position to make it happen, even if he thinks it's a great idea. All he's done is just put the idea out there. He's gone no further than that.

So why has he done it? Because he's not going to be in a position to make it happen. He has no idea whether it is going to be taken ahead or not taken ahead. So why is he just gone ahead and said this? Because he's baiting me. He's baiting me. And it's bloody, worked and he knew it would work. He really is. Oh, come on. That's a borderline bleep. That's a

borderline bleep. That's a borderline bleak. But you know what, Sam? You're not wrong. He is an expert when it comes to baiting, which perhaps should have been the way you phrased it. But he really has got me here, hook line and sinker. He's on his way out. He is not in any position of power to do this. And he's just said it because, you know what, if I say this, I don't have to see this through or anything, it's just going to really annoy Ben.

I'm going to say it. And it has. So well done, Ross. You've done that. The problem is, though, when Ross Braun speaks, people listen. But if I come out here, I say if, like it's a. possible. It happens every week. When I come out here and say stupid things, it's okay. Because no one takes me seriously and it's going to get ignored and go into some weird vacuum and it's

never going to be picked up again. When I come out with stupid suggestions, exactly. When I come out with stupid suggestions, they go up in the ether, right? But Ross Braun's words actually mean something. When Ross Braun speaks, people listen to him. So when he comes out here and floats an idea like this, again, even if he doesn't say you should do this or they should do this, it's going to be taken on board. And if he, he's only going to mention something if he thinks there's going to be the possibility that it might actually happen. So I'm a bit worried that this could actually go ahead. I am personally on a crusade to remove artificialness, artificiality, whatever the right word is,

I'm on a crusade to remove it from Formula One. And this is just going the other direction. We are all of the opinion that DRS is a necessary evil at the moment. It's not great, but also without it, we would be struggling. But heading more towards that artificial way of racing just isn't where I think Formula One should go. If a driver, to your point, Harry, if a driver performs well enough, the team performs well enough to deserve a 30 second victory, they should get it. They've done it. And you mentioned, Harry, in terms of not wanting to punish greatness in Formula One, which I

absolutely agree with. I'll look at it through the other lens of, I don't think you should reward rubbishness in Formula One. I am not of the opinion that Ferrari should not be punished as a result of their stupid strategies. If they, as a result of their stupid strategy, put Charles LeCler 20 seconds behind Max Verstappen, be there. You deserve to be there because you've been stupid Ferrari. You should have been brought back into it because of some stupid regulation that means Max Verstappen can't get the best out of his car. So I don't agree whatsoever with this as a concept. Again, if you're finding that a team and a driver is so often dominant, that's probably a sign there's something wrong with your wider regulations,

right, rather than just there's something wrong with the race particularly, if it happens a lot. And, you know, they can't forget that this is to Sam's point, it isn't wrestling, it's sport first, entertainment second and the entertainment is as a result of the sport sometimes yes it won't be a perfect race that's okay that's sport that's why we all tune in we don't know what's going to happen until it happens that's the whole point in it so um and i honestly 22 he's probably saying this as a result of what's happened in 2022 with a few runaway race wins and obviously this happened crushing the championship 2022 was an exciting year. It was an exciting year.

I appreciate it wasn't 2021. I appreciate the championship didn't go down to the wire. But let's face it, the 2022 season went the way it did because Vestapp had deserved it because he was that good and Ferrari didn't deserve it because they weren't that good. And that's okay, that sport. And Ferrari needs to come back better next year. They don't need to be bailed out because they make

made errors. Look, bad strategy, bad driving, bad anything when it comes to Formula One should always be punished and it shouldn't, I don't know, you shouldn't be given an opportunity to get back into it just because the other team of the other driver's done a good job. Simple as that. I'm so glad we agree. I was waiting for one of you to turn around to be like, oh my God, it's the best plan of all time and then you will be banned from the show.

wouldn't be allowed at the Christmas party. No, you'll have to babysit Ian. A quick devil's advocate point on this that I don't necessarily believe in, but someone might retort this. So DRS is artificial and it helps the driver in second. Sam, how is that different from not helping the driver in first? Does it not create the same impact as something we've already got in F1?

I think the difference with DRS for the driver second place who is in that one second gap is that first thing you've had to work to close that gap right up and we all know that dirty air plays a large factor there and in first place you like you said you have the dirty air advantage and you have the ability that you know certain straits and the way that the cars were coming out of corners it balances it doesn't disadvantage the person that's already got themselves to the fronts and all the hard work right. They're still driving the machine that has been created purposely for them. It has all the capabilities it needs and deserves and warrants.

And the driver has all the tools at their disposal that they started the race with. DRS is also something we disagree with. For the most part, I would happily scrap DRS as a form of overtaking. You know, that is all artificial. And I think if you were to boil it down to me to say, Sam, as an ultimatum, you either have to keep DRS and bring in this aerodynamic. decision that Ross Braun wants or you get rid of both. I will 100% happily say to you scrap both immediately tomorrow.

No need for them. I would rather DRS go that way. So someone who is giving that devil's advocate, I agree with your point. It is very similar. And I agree that if you've got one, in theory, you should allow the other. I don't want the other.

That's the point. I don't want, you know, I'd rather have neither of them. I just think DRS is almost the lesser evil. And unlike the changing aerodynamics for the leader, I feel like that more than guarantees a pass, whereas we've seen so many times on so many tracks, the DRS is not the building end of the passing. A lot of the time the straits aren't long enough.

A lot of the time it isn't powerful enough and they've got the timing's wrong for it. Or the corner that you come out of before the DRS straight, the dirty air is so big, the wash that you get is so strong that you can't close the gap anyway. So DRS isn't an instant solution, but I feel like this is a bit dodgy. I feel like it's got too much human involvement in it for me. It isn't all about the driver skills. So, yeah, that's the argument I give. But I think you're right, Ben, to go. Isn't it a bit the same?

And I think it is a bit the same. And I think all three of us are an agreement that realistically we'd like to see it phased out in its current capacity over the next few seasons, if possible. I think the key point for me there is it's, DRS is not punishing the quicker driver. It's just giving them the last little helping hand to get past the car of front. It's not meant to be, it does obviously give them an advantage, but as you say, Sam, they've had to work for that advantage. So it's the final bit to get them past the car in front. I think that's the key point.

You're not punishing someone for being quick. You're actually slightly rewarding them, I guess, which I guess is the point. But it's not in the past. It's even better, right? Because obviously, the leader in theory would have, what, I don't know, 15 push-to-pass choices throughout a whole Grand Prix. If they can use all 15, push your pass in the first 15 laps, and then they get caught up to.

Well, you've used your advantage. You have the same allotment, and that's why push your pass is a better option and solution than what DRS is, because everyone has those tools at their disposal. Just to wrap up this point before we go to a quick break, I think there's potentially a safety concern on this as well. It'd be interesting to know a driver's point of view on this, but say if you're in first lap after lap and you know what level of downforce you're getting,

I think that's fair enough. Imagine you were in, I don't know, fifth place for the majority of the Grand Prix, and then it just so happened that the four in front of you all pitted on the same lap and you're suddenly in the lead for a lap or two. And it does happen. Is there any element of danger to that, that you're immediately completely transitioning the amount of downforce that you get from one lap to the next? I don't really know the answer to that, but I'd be interested to know from a

matching it in the wet matching it in the wet being a nightmare and how yeah you have to almost give a warning you have to be like you've entered the lead in three corners time

you will lose I know 10% downforce and you've got mentally prepared but I agree you can easily come off the track what if you're lapping a car on the outside of you

suddenly you've lost your downforce you're right there's a lot of risk there for incidents that may not really be at the fault of the current driver I don't know in conclusion

it sucks. Don't do it. Don't do it. That's the solution. There you go. That's sure to be implemented next season. We're going to be reviewing our driver's predictions from the beginning of the year right after this. Well, here we go. Driver's predictions. Spoiler, we're also going to do the constructors predictions a bit later on. This probably isn't going to go very well, but just bear in mind, it's going to go better than the constructors predictions. Well.

there's a few things to discuss here because whilst we have obviously we know who's first second third four fifth sixth we did also put our biggest surprise and our biggest letdown so we need to factor those in as well and decide who gets points and who doesn't so let's start with who is it going to finish first so the person who did finish first was max for staff happen. So if we believed in Red Bull, we were all going to put Max for staff. But there's a problem to this, though. We all thought Mercedes was sandbagging and testing. Oh, no. Oh, no. So Harry and Sam both said that Lewis Hamilton would claim his eighth championship, which is wrong. And somehow I'm slightly less wrong with a prediction that George

Russell will win the World Championship. Oh, come on. I'm so ball of it. But the point is, I'm three positions away from being right because George Russell finished fourth and that's still the best of the three of us. We did really bad

at that. Nice. So if you've got your Abacus out, folks, that's zero points for all three of us so far. However, that's change as we go to second play. I was a Mercedes fanboy because as I said, Lewis Hamilton

would finish second to Russell in first. Again, they weren't soundbagging. Harry, you were close. You said Max Verstappen would finish second, but he was one position out. However, we have our first point on the board because Chaule-A-Claire as a result of his second, did I?

Sam said that Charles LeCleur would finish second place in the championship and his strong result in Abu Dhabi, sealed it. So Sam, you have a point on the board. God, LeClair! Sam evidently didn't think Max Vastappan was going to turn up in 2022.

He's washed, mate. He's washed the whitish face. He won his championship. He's not coming again. He's retired. So you had more faith in Ferrari than either myself or Harry had. Yeah, who would have thought having faith

in Ferrari would be the right call? Yeah, wow. Right. Third place. Cheers again. Third place was Sergio Perez. Obviously narrowly lost out to Charles LeClaire in the finale. Good news, folks. None of us put Sergio Perez to finish the third.

I said it was going to be Max Verstappen, obviously two out. Harry said it was going to be Charles LeClaire, just one out. And Sam, like me, said it would be Max for Stappen. So no, no points there. Good. It's going well so far. I'll have a good time. Now, I've got to admit, I'm a bit rattled about this next one.

Bit rattled. Oh, no. It's Harry Dung. So fourth place. Fourth place was George Russell. I put Charles LeClair for fourth, so I was wrong. And Harry and Sam both thought, well, Hamilton's going to outperform George Russell. So we'll put Hamilton first, and we'll put George Russell all the way down in fourth.

Yes, Ben's losing. So we've completely messed up logic. You've both got this right. Yeah, suck it, Ben. Dare it. I'm so happy I've got a point. You've got a point. I'm so proud of you.

You've got a point and I don't have one. Two points for Sam at the moment. Fifth place was Carlos Sines. Harry, you said Perez would finish. fifth, so you were wrong. But both myself and Sam got this one right. We both said Carlos Sines were finished fifth. So I'm on a roll!

A point each for myself and Harry. Three for Sam. I fear where this is going. And now it turns. Well, we only went down to sixth and then biggest surprise, biggest letdown last place. So there's not much scope to catch up, really. I can still lose. You can.

Sixth place was of course Lewis Hamilton. Now, none of us thought Lewis Hamilton were finished sixth, so it's not a massive surprise that none of us scored points here. I said Perez would finish sixth, which was not right because he finished third. Harry, you said Carlos Sines would finish sixth

and you were one out on that. Oh, I put Lando. You did? Yeah, you put Lando Norris. I was close actually in the positions, but not in the points. To be clear, Sam is winning 3-1-1 and he didn't have Perez in his top six. That's the guy that's winning.

I thought it was going to be a lot closer than it was. Okay, now we get on to the real discussion points here because there might be some real arguments as to who gets points. Biggest surprise. So when we say surprise would mean positive surprise. Generally we do these for anyone who finishes outside the top six or who we think is going to finish outside the top six. I am fully going to get out in front of this

I don't deserve a point for this I said Mitch Schumacher he wasn't great no point out did I say Mick Schumacher no you both said someone different and I think you're no different people I think you'll both have

claims for points see if we agree so excited I'll go with Harry's first of all Harry you said Alex Alburn do you think you deserve the point if I think he deserves the point that means I don't deserve the point there's only one winner it is

no no we can give out multiple points on this oh right yeah we yes Harry deserves a point yeah about myself fine I'm sure that one was

to be fair considering where he was when at the back end of 2020 when he got let go by Red Bull I think he's had a I know he's been driving around it's for this season only Harry So this season.

I know my point. My point is the surprise factor, as in I think he's been surprisingly good. What's my point here? So I'll say yes, because I've only got one point. So give me a point, please. Do you also believe he deserves a point, Sam? I think he's definitely in the top couple of drivers that if I were to now look over the season, if we didn't make these predictions, I would say that album was a proper standout drive.

and probably at the start of the year, I wouldn't have gone as a top driver. So, yeah, I do think he's performed very, very well, and I'm not angry at Harry getting a point for this driver. Ben, what do you think? Yeah, I think you deserve a point on this. So if you look at the points, like the point standings, it doesn't scream anything great.

Obviously, he had four points and Latifie had two, so it doesn't look great from that perspective. And it's really difficult when you have Latifie as your teammate, because, no offence, but Latifie isn't a great comparison point. But I completely agree with having a year out, plus being in that Williams, plus where he was with his confidence level at the end of 2020, I didn't think he was going to be as good as what he has been this year. So I'm all aboard you having a point on that one.

Well, on, Harry, big up. Yay, two points. And now, Sam, your biggest surprise. Is this going to mock me? No, no, this is probably a genuine debate on. this one. Oh, that means you.

You said Valtry Bottas. Do you think you deserve a point, Sam? Oh, no, I don't. I don't deserve a

point for it. Yeah. Mullet is a bigger surprise. Can we come back? I love the boy. Big up Bottas, right?

More bosses, please. I love him. As a person, I love him. But, and he did a good job. At the same time, he also gave

absolutely zero poohs, tough poos for half of the season, it felt like, so I don't. And also, when you got the show as your team,

mate, he was very unlucky. I know the gap was big in points, but it felt like it should have been smaller and Joe got unlucky. While Bottas was good, I just think he was good. I'm probably leaning no, but I didn't, when I saw this, I didn't dismiss it. I was like, you know, you could make a case for it. Because it points wise, he's done pretty well. Probably need to know.

It's always the opposite of Albon, right? Like the points almost slightly overrepresent. Yeah, you're right. It wasn't bad. I would look at his season and go, you'd be a disappointment. I just think he was good. He was good, Bottas, not Botas, best of all time, folks. Do you think like he was solid, but that's not necessarily unsurprising for Botas?

Yeah, like, Bottas is like a constant A out of 10 driver, and this is like a seven. I guess it depends on what your opinion was with him coming out of Mercedes. Because I think my opinion of Bottas is probably higher than average, possibly. But, like, it's... I literally love him, so, you know. I'm in love with him. Botte's going to listen, Valtry.

You know, it depends. Where you rank Bottas depends on whether you were around for his Williams days, right? If you didn't see him in Williams, you probably think he's worse than what those who did see him in Williams think he is. That's why I love him.

It's so good. He really was Botas in the Williams days. Oh, he was. So good. Legend. All right, three, two, one. So, Bolt, select.

No points. definitely no points for me. A bit of a discussion for Sam, but also no points. And Harry does get a point for Alex Albon. So well gone. Yay. Biggest letdown. You know what?

I was really... You know, I've made a bit of a meal out of teammate wars, haven't I? Do you know why? Because I've sucked on these predictions. I've properly done bad. The joy it brings me. So I really had to milk teammate wars for everything it was worth. I said the biggest letdown.

and again, I'm outright saying I'm not getting a good point for this, Fernando Alonzo. Now, technically, Ocon beat him. So if I was in a really mischievous mood, I might try and claim that Ocon outscoring him. You wouldn't get away with it, mate. But I know I wouldn't get away with it,

and I'm too tired, so I'm not going to. So tired. I've had a long day at work. I don't want to do it. Very tired. Harry, you might be well, you might be in line for another point here, Harry. Come on, Harry.

You said the biggest letdown Was Pierre Gassley? I don't disagree with that I don't agree with that, sorry You don't agree with that? No, I think Gassley The car was gnaff He still beat his team mate

Yeah He wasn't great but I wouldn't say Was he the biggest letdown? Mick Schumacher was the biggest letdown of the season If you're going to put one, stamp or one driver I got mine the wrong way round of it last Yes

To be fair I'd probably probably put another one could be Gatsdi's teammate as let down

again this year I mean Sonoda wasn't great last year I mean it feels less of a surprise for where Sonona

is versus where Gasson he can still be let down though he can still let me yeah I don't disagree on Sonona

disappoint me you G if you ask me which of the two was a bigger letdown this year I would say Gassley

on that greed he doesn't even come into it as a conversation point to me to Sam saying no how many votes do I need to get a point two

we're going to leave this ambiguous one from myself because to be fair I probably would give you a point on this I can't have the deciding vote whether I get a point that's not how this works no it's a no then I'll give it a no sign

well done for being so on this no points for Harry who said yes to me which just leaves us with Sam's prediction biggest letdown. You remember folks when I mentioned that Sam didn't have Perez in his top six. Oh, I still think he's the biggest letdown. So he actually put Perez as the biggest letdown. So you think you deserve the point here, Sam. If you could have asked me this after race six.

You literally just said Mick Schumacher like 30 seconds ago. Yeah, but with the previous topic, there's a couple of drivers that fall into the, yeah. If you want of three or four maybe drivers, yeah, that's fine. And I do think that when you compare the before, performance level between him and his teammate and the lack of success that Perez has had, and the fact he's got to beg his teammate to let him, let him pass, to even have a chance to secure his second place. And that car was so good, I don't think he deserves any praise for this season. This was, at best, a me year for Sergio Perez. I genuinely think he was one of the biggest letdowns of the year, especially with the equipment he's got. Personally, I've chosen to

fight my case on this one option. Sorry, Mexico. Everyone already thinks we all hate Perez, so I don't know how, if I should leave in. That can't be a deciding factor of this. I don't think I can give him biggest letdown, and I know one rate

is a long season, but for his Singapore GP alone, I'm not sure I can give him biggest letdown. Singapore GP was pretty good. I've moved on. he's still not been

on the pace the whole season but I agree with that but he's had some I hear this was a better year than last year I disagree with that oh really

I think well obviously obviously yeah that was also the least genuine oh really I've ever heard

in my life oh really that's what Harry talks to me all the time it really sounds I really, Sam. I really care about your opinion, actually. Brilliant.

So glad you brought us up, Sam. Every day of my life. Yeah, I'm kind of with Harry, to be honest. Good. Which means none of us get any points. So it comes down to whoever finished last place. So if we've got the scores at the moment, I got one point.

Cheers Carlos Sines. Harry's got two and Sam's got three. So if Harry's got this right and Sam's got this wrong. We've got a tie. Good ties. Okay, so who did finish last place? The answer was Nico Holcomburg.

Oh, I don't want to hear that nath rubbish. Give it a rest, son. If I give me the point, though, I rescind everything I just said. So, Sam, you said that whoever the hash driver was going to be was going to finish. The Schumacher is who I meant. No, it definitely wasn't. You basically said Whoever Mazapin's replacement was

was going to finish last That was Kevin Magnuson He did not finish last No, he did not Me and Harry agreed with who would finish last The problem is Harry, you agreed with me Who doesn't got anything right today

We both said Joe Guan Yu would finish last Sorry Joe Guan Yu That was cruel of us None of us scored any points Which means Sam you win the driver's predictions Oh, he's won again! I am king!

Sorry, Harry. Next year. Thanks for coming. So close. Thanks for playing. Oh, that's all right. Everyone knows it's all. Teammate Wars is right.

Constructors comes up in a minute. I can't wait to lose that one. Oh, that's going to be funny. Were you all on zero the entire list? Oh, you're not far off being right. It's a hollow bit true. We're going to take a short break. We'll be talking about the

well, I was going to say the 2023 Chinese Grand Prix, but the absence of the 2020 Chinese Grand Prix. We're after this. So we now know that the 23 race calendar for 2020 at the moment is only going to be 22

based on... That's a lot of twos and threes. You just said that. Yeah, God. I really should have led this in differently. Dash, dash, dash. We haven't had a race at the Shanghai International Circuit

in China since 2019 because of the COVID pandemic. It seemed as if for 23 we were going to get a race there again, but it has been taken off the calendar. There are discussions as to whether this will mean one race fewer on the calendar or whether this will be replaced by something else. Sam, firstly, just your thoughts about the lack of the Chinese Grand Prix, but also then in terms of what would be a suitable replacement,

if anything at all, of course that is an option not to replace it. So two trains of thought on the Chinese Grand Prix. Let's talk about the track, literally the track itself. I think the Chinese Grand Prix is one of the most underrated Grand Prix on the Formula One calendar. I think that Shanghai Circuit is phenomenal to go racing at. It's got the infamous Anting, Angting, Anging, Snail Corner, which we all know and love.

It's got that hella long back straight as well. It's brilliant. I absolutely love the middle section of corners. I think they're really challenging for drivers. and the weather regularly throws up difficult conditions for drivers to get stuff done. And we've had some belting moments there. One of them that springs in mind in secantaneously is that Ricardo comeback that he pulled off. Only it needs one of his last drives to Red Bull.

Absolutely spectacular. So in terms of losing the track, I'm absolutely gutted. I'm also gutted for Joe Guangu, of course, for not getting a home Grand Prix. I think he's become quite a well-loved part of the Formula One Paddock and the roster of drivers that we have. It's a shame that he won't get to race in front of the home crowd. On the other side of things, I have to be critical of it because we have been for other nations, the whole Grand Prix.

And that is what is going on at the moment in China with what's called the A4 protests or the White Page protest and the way that they're controlling the COVID narrative that's going on there and how government are dealing with the things that are going internally in that country. It makes it very difficult to sit there and go, well, I've had an issue with the likes of Saudi Arabia or Qatar having a Grand Prix with their human rights record. well, I have to speak up and say the same thing about China at the moment. And, you know, historically, really, they're not exactly at the top of the books for their human rights record and how they treat their citizens.

And that isn't changing. So for that case, weirdly, I'm glad that they're not getting the satisfaction of a Grand Prix because we want to reward countries, governments, people that are good and help and become a part of this culture and this world of Formula One and motorsport that is trying to progress. towards the better. So in that sense, I'm pleased about it. As much as it's always a shame because the normal everyday person who will go and watch this race deserves to see a race, it has to stand for something bigger.

And I think that's better. So that's how I feel about it. Have we asked the question on replacements, Ben? Yes. I don't think it should be replaced. I think the calendar is already too long. And realistically, I think they could just do maybe a little bit of a pull something closer or just push the first race a little bit later into the year because it's not a street

circuit, I think Bahrain, obviously being there. So for me, don't replace it. If I absolutely had to, Sopang is in the nearby region, obviously of that Southeast Asian region, as is Bud, Big Bud, which I would love to see a return to as well. So a vessel, I imagine, for a one-off appearance. Come back, yeah. That man is literally the king of Bud. Anyway, yeah, so for me, no replacement in an ideal world, the teams can have a little

rest. They deserve it, quite frankly. But if I had to replace it, Sapang or Big Bud. I can't take you seriously most of the time but particularly when you say that Harry Say what I said Harry are you looking forward to Big Bird

Yeah Big Wood The actual question is something along the lines of what are your thoughts on the Chinese Grand Prix dropping from the calendar and should it be replaced And if so by what Big Good Good

I am very sad for for the one of F1 for not going back to the to the Shanghai International Circuit I agree with Sam it's a great circuit and yes it seemed to dwindle in its popularity

especially with people coming to watch the race hence the Anting Anting Anting Grandstand I don't understand that yeah I know but folks go and play the F1 game and then drive around the China and there's

The China. The Chinese, China track. The long right-hander before the main, the back straight. Do you have a look at the, have a look like that. The fox's ship. It says anting, anting, anting, anting, anting. Anyway, yes, it might have been dwindling popularity, but you don't know how that might have a change with F1's resurgence in popularity lately.

But it's a great track. And we have some, we've had some great races there. The only real, like, duff race we had was the, thousandth, then one way, you're not really. So ironic. And that's last one we had, which is a real shame.

So yeah, I'm sad about that. And then I'm sad for the, sad for the people of China and in general, but obviously people in Shanghai, with their current, current situation, whilst the rest of the world is,

has moved, not moved on, but is moving, getting on with, dealing with COVID, they're still stuck. so stuck in lockdowns, etc. due to various poor choices, should we say, by their government.

So I'm sad about that. In terms of whether it should be replaced, no, like, give us a rest. We don't need. The teams don't need it. As much as I would love to see Sepang, I think back on the calendar. I don't think on Big Bud,

is it in a usable state currently? Make it usable I don't care I don't care for It's big bud It does matter Anyway As much as I would love to see

Sapang back on the Canada I just give the teams a break They don't need They don't need another race And we'll move on I'm surprised You're not Advocating for another race

Yeah There's a big one option The year or year onam Yeah Yon Nam That definitely isn't usable now I'm pretty sure It wasn't usable at the time

It's just a shipping site It's Yeah We should do a tour of tracks The don't exist anymore Folks if we'd like to fund us If Expedia wants to sponsor that Or someone of that nature

We're up for it Take trips to X Formula 1 tracks That are now deserted It's the Indian tourist board Listening to this We're sorry we call it Big Bud Please take us No big up Big Bud

Embrace Big Bud I'm coming Sam's coming to India Yeah. This is a good, this is a good, this is a really good point to, to mention. At the weekend, we're doing a quiz in our Discord. Join us.

It's going to be a lot of fun. 9 p.m. GMT, we're changing the time. It was 8 p.m. GMT. It's now 9 p.m. GMT. So come along for that. But there's always around in that quiz, which is which of the three of us said a certain line? I'm pretty sure when we do the next quiz

in about three or four months time, Embrace Big Bud is going to be on that list. Oh, we all go, it's made. Yeah. Anyway, that also is going to be around coming up this Saturday, so definitely get involved in that. I won't spend too long on saying that the Shanghai International Circuit is very good. I like it as well.

I agree with what both of you said. Honestly, like, the 2011 Chinese Grand Prix is possibly the most underrated race of all time. And generally, every race we have, apart from if it's a lot of, 1,000 phrase is a banger. Yeah, and obviously as a market for Formula One as well, I don't know, with Joe Guan Yu now being a driver, the first Chinese driver, it's always been a bit of a struggle for Formula 1 to fully gain a presence within the country. Having a Chinese driver on the grid seems like it would be the perfect opportunity to capitalize

on that and they're not able to. So for Joe Guan Yu, I feel a bit sorry for him not having a home Grand Prix. it's a little bit limited because there are some drivers that will also never have a home Grand Prix, the likes of Valtrey Botas as an example, but still, it was on the cards and it's not happening, so you've got to feel sorry for him. Other races that could replace it, I also had Malaysia written down if it needs to be replaced because Malaysia is also a very good track. I know Al Garve is being talked about as well, which logistically makes no sense whatsoever,

but also good track. Okay. So what should they do? You're right. I don't think they should replace this, but that would leave us with a four-week gap in the calendar, which a few races into the season feels a bit. In March. Exactly. So at the moment, what they have in place is it would be Melbourne on the 2nd of April. Then it was going to be China two weeks after that. Then it was going to be Baku two weeks after that. And then it was going to be Miami one week after that. Now, we've already discussed the utter stupidity of having Baku and Miami as back-to-back races. Top tip from Ben here. You can go to the bank and cash this one. Baku and Miami are not very close to one another. Doesn't make sense. If they try to be further apart, I don't know if they'd achieve it.

Genuinely so far apart. So what they should do to make sure we avoid a four-week gap in the calendar because I don't have an ideal either. Keep Melbourne where it is on the 2nd of April. Baku can then go back one week, which is a bit of a tongue twister if I was too much. Scree circuit, though. Can they do that? Yes, they can do it.

Okay. In the French world, they've done that. Yeah. Yeah. So they'll have that on the 23rd rather than the 30th. We've got plenty of time to sort that up. So there'd be three weeks between Australia and Baku. And guess what that does?

That gives you two weeks between Baku and Miami rather than one, which again is stupid. So do that. Okay. We still have a gap, though. It's still the four-week gap, right? No. Yeah.

It's a three-week gap. Oh. Why don't we just go to Watkinskling America instead, and then we'll do... Sure. And then swap Baku and Miami. So it's Watkins Glen, Miami, then Baku, then we do Europe. Fine, yeah, let's do that instead. I thought you were going to suggest that we do Watkins Glen, then Baku, then Miami.

That would be the worst solution of all time. I know I'm an idiot, but that would be really moronic. Also, wouldn't be that surprising? No. The FIA basically are my brain. All right. Let's move on to Constructors' Picks, because this is chambolic. Oh, no.

Right. Let's go through them. First through 10th. And there's no room for discussion on any of these, because we didn't predict anything outside of 1st down to 10th. First place. Again, we thought Mercedes were sandbagging. All of us.

We all said Mercedes were going to win the constructors. Spoiler, they didn't. So, Abacca's out again. Reset to zero. Add those up. We're on zero. Keep them at zero. They won't move.

Second place. I said Ferrari. They did finish second. Sam said Ferrari. They did finish second. Yes. Harry. Harry.

I just don't. Red Bull. The irony here is... That means a Ferrari third, right? You actually had Red Bull higher than both me and Sam, but you still don't get the point. So, yes, that does mean third place. Third place was Mercedes, and I said Red Bull,

Sam said Red Bull, Harry said Ferrari, no points. You were really close to getting that one, though. Thanks. So that's one of one. zero. We then go to fourth place. We all said the same thing here. We all sent McLaren.

McLaren. Alpine finished fourth, so we all got that wrong. So again, you don't need to do much on your abacus. Now, fifth place was McLaren. So if you were listening to me five seconds ago, you'll know none of us got this right. We all said Astor Martin would finish fifth. We were optimistic.

We were optimistic about Aston Martin. And I'll do it again. Yeah, no doubt. Now, sixth place, we had a disagreement. So myself and Sam went one way. Harry went the other way. Which side I'll be on? Which side should you be on, folks?

The side of me and Sam? Or the side of Harry? The answer is neither, because we all went long way. Harry, you said, Al Paine would finish sixth. They didn't. So close. We went the other way, myself and Sam.

We said Alpha Tauri were finished six. So we picked a team that didn't do anywhere near as well as we thought they would. And Harry went the other way where they did better. For the purposes of this, it doesn't matter. We all scored nothing. Seventh place. Again, folks, it is 1-1-0. Seventh place was Aston Martin.

If you remember back to our fifth place predictions, none of us are going to get this right. Oh, this is painful. Myself and Sam said Alpine. Harry said Alpherty. Now we get to the bottom three. Eighth place was Hass. We all said Williams.

We are the worst predictors ever. We all said Williams, which we all know that Williams is still to come, so we know none of us have got that point. neither. So there's one point left that we can get from the grabs here.

Yeah, but we know that Al-Fa-Tauri finished ninth. We've all said Al-Fatari. So the score at the end of the day is 1-1-0.

So to recap, folks, past finish 8, none of us said that. Al-Fatari finished 9th, none of us said that, and Williams

finished 10th, none of us said that. So if you are paying attention, they scored one point, Sam also scored. one point. Harry's lost a gang

every single game. Harry still managed to lose when we scored one point. Three for three. He's lost by one. Much insane at the beginning of the year, me and some are going to get one out of ten on something and still win.

Oh, God. Oh, do you do this. Brain work. Oh, man. Oh, oh. Oh,

anyway. We go again. Have you ever won this? No, I've never won any predictions. Oh, God, my bloody... My ribtoe.

We've done three different predictions for six years. That's 18 different predictions. And he's never one, a single one of them. Oh. So Sam takes some sort of weird hollow victory Of getting one out of ten I'm proud

I'm really sorry That's really funny Really funny As Harry says We go again 23s for year lads Don't you worry Oh we'll take

short break so we can recover and we'll come back with some F1 back and forth. I didn't think that would be quite that funny. Should I vote an advert out to replace me? We're a good predictor, please. As you're probably very aware by now, we're massive fans of the F1 and live sport generally. Sam, do you ever get frustrated that you want to watch a live sports event, but it's not available in your country? Why, yes, Ben. That is a frustration. Wow, that's where NordVPN comes in. With NordVPN, I can switch my virtual location to a country that is showing what I want to watch.

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It's completely risk free with Nord's 30 day money back guarantee. So that's NordvPN.com forward slash LBF1 to take advantage of that discount. All right, here we go. F1, back and forth. It's been a little while since it's made an appearance, so it's good to have it back again. Sing us in. F1.

Back and forth, it's F1. Back and forth, it goes backwards. Then goes forth, it's F1. Back and forth, F1. Oh, gorgeous. At this point, I have to say a massive thank you because someone on Twitter, Steve on Twitter, has got in touch with me with some back and forth suggestions of which I am using one of his suggestions here today.

So, Steve, you're going to be great playing along on this, I would imagine. But for the sake of everyone... Sorry, gets them all wrong like Harry. Yeah. So, yes, I'm using Steve's ones. Very, very much, Steve. So if you don't like the category, guys, don't blame me. Blame Steve.

Good There are 19 correct answers to this back and forth I want you to name any driver that has finished third place in the driver's championship since 1990

What exactly third Is it? Third or above? Third exactly What? I don't know I've got my penny so I'm actually making notes

these days So from 1990 to 22 19 drivers have finished third in the World Drivers Championship. How many of those can you name? Can I go first? You can go first, Sam. Sergio Perez. It's a good start. Nice. Sergio Perez is a correct answer. He finished third in. Can you guess the year, Sam? Ooh, I reckon I'm going to go for 2022, Ben. I didn't think he finished in the top six,

according to your predictions. What? Are you sure? I know. I know, as if I'm wrong. Yes, he did finish third in 2020. Well done. Harry. I'm going to say, please could everyone leave us a five-star review? Oh, he's got it in there. It's a correct answer.

Thank you, thank you. No, sorry. He's a 20th answer. Sorry, sorry, folks. Sebastian Vettel. Vettel has finished third, and he did so in 2015. That was the only time he did finish third. Sam.

So I'm just writing down the ones that we've had, so I don't repeat them, because I'm really bad at that. Surely big Botas in Mercedes days. Valjie Bottas finished third in 2021 and 2017, so that is a correct answer. Back to you, Harry. Double points for me? That's not how this works.

He only finished third twice? Great. Yeah. It was fifth or sixth for one year. you doing, Bottas, mate. Max Verstappen. Max Verstappen finished third in 2019 and 2020.

Sam. His teammate at the time it happened, Daniel Ricardo. Daniel Ricardo has finished third twice, 2014 and 2016. He was good in that red ball, wouldn't he? But show me if you got back in it.

Lull. you guys completely broke up then but i think sam said dana ricardo right he did yes i did okay good um uh i got it from the red bull dick um right i'm gonna go for oh no um who else was good When did Ricardo get it in 2016? 2016 and 2014. 2014, okay, damn. Okay, um, Kim, no.

Oh, man. Oh, mate, I don't know. This is so, this is difficult on, Steve. I want a bit of a roll in, actually. I've got some nose in mind. I've learned, Ben, and I've learnt this from you, that writing stuff down makes me smarter. It's great that it's taken nearly 250 episodes for that to sink in.

That's brilliant. Yeah. I have names in mind, but I'm like, did they finish second that year? Did they finish third? Oh, I don't care. Kimmy Reichenen. Obviously. Has Kimmy Reichenen finished third place?

Well, he did it three times. He finished third in 2008. 2012 and 2018. Oh, that wasn't the year I was thinking of. That's good. We're thinking of a year that wasn't one of those three. Nice one. Sam, back to you.

I've decided to make possible options on my list because Harry took so long. I do a little flash at it. But I've got a list of games and the ones that we've said, I've got ticks by them. God, it's incredible. I know.

I'm really progressive. well, Mark Weber. I think he did it in the Vettel period. You did. Out of four championship wins for Vettel, Mark Weber finished third three of those years. So 2010, 2011 and 2013. Back to you, Harry. This game is stupid. Every week, you say this.

Oh, it is. Rubin's Barichello? Yep. Barichello is a correct answer. third in 2009 and 2001. Good. Why don't we being out? Sam, back to you. See, I've made the list.

The list doesn't ever mean that actually is going to be a correct answer. That is a severe problem for me. I'm going to go for Fernando. Fernando Alonzo. He did finish third. Only once, 2007. Oh, I was a lucky guess then. Oh, yeah, of course he did.

Yeah. Ten answers are still on the board, Harry. Oh my God. I've got seven names written down. Seven? Yeah, look, mate, it's me. I'm picking these out of the hat. Jackie Hicks will be in there probably.

Yeah. Yeah, 1990, go there. Definitely. Mr. Chunky. He did finish third. Yeah, 2002 and 2003. For the avoidance of doubt, he means one Pablo Montoya. Oh, yeah, sorry.

Yeah. Where's the doubt? No doubt. No doubt. Back to yourself. David Coulthard. David Coulthard is in his third place, more than any driver on this list. He finished third in 1995, 1997, 1998 and 2000s. So four times he finished third.

My assistant driver of all time. You wouldn't have ever thought that about Michael Schumack's biggest rival. I swear to God. That rolls me up just as much as the button Hamilton stat does for Sam. Like, it was so closely matched. Yeah. Yeah, he just came third so many times. Right, just piped to the post.

Hang on name all of those years, Ben, again, that he came third. 95, 97, 98, and 2000. Good. It's so good. So good. Two of Schumacher's championship win of years. I'll go for... Felipe, baby.

2006 he finished in third, correct answer. Going well here, guys. Back to you, Sam. I'm going to take a punt, despite him being one of the goats. David Coulter's primary rival, Michael Schumacher is finished third. Not accepting that answer. Oh, my integrity to the game is too much. I have to say you're right.

Michael Schumacher was third three times So, 1999. That's going to his man is David Coulthard. Yeah. Also, he won seven titles, if you remember. I love winding him up. 92, 96 and 2005. Oh, good.

I've got one game left. How many we got left to you? We've got six names left, I think. Oh, my God. After this one game, which is a partial. guess, I'm just like just punting names off that the drivers in good cars in the 90s. Yeah, six to go. You can do it.

Drivers in the 90s that were average. Average. I mean, quite good for 30s. Averagely good. All right. Not related to the last sentence I just said, but Dill, Damon Hill. Damon Hill has a correct answer he was third in 1993

upon a deal back to you Sam I'm going to go for the semi punt option here in his earlier date of his career Mr, the man we just spoke about in what riles me up oh Jensen Button

I think Yep the last remaining answer from the 2000s the 2004 season Jensen Button finished in third that is all the usual ones are really gone which I think means we've got four answers to go Harry. Can you name any of them?

They're all from the 90s. They are all from the 90s. That's what he just said. Did you listen to him? Pardon? Sorry. I'm going to go for... Oh, man.

Oh, man. I don't think this is right. Gerhard Berger is a correct answer Gerhard Berger was third in 1994 three answers left have you got any of them Sam

yeah I've got one answer that is a total guess but it feels like a good one because he was quite good at F1 and that is Heinz Harold Frensen if there's one thing Sam remembers it's the good old Jordan

1999 Heinzauer-Frentson in the Jordan finished third yes I'm out of gosh two left can you name

either of them Harry can you give the years I've been giving yeah I've been giving the years all the way through so it would be fair to do so it's the first two years so 1990 and 91

great if there's anything that Harry and I remember it's 1919 19 before we were born. I bet that's a really nice noise for everyone listening. You're welcome, folks.

Harry, people like that. Oh, I love it when you do that. There goes all the five-star reviews. Oh, God. I've got two names in mind and I'm unsure which one to say. I'm not winging this, so just say one anyway.

Can I say, is one of them a racist? That's a very good way of phrasing it. That is incorrect answer, yes. Is it? It actually is. We are checking. Yeah. Nelson P.K.

was third in 1990. Well, the 1990. Yeah, that was the 1990. So the 91. is the one you ever left. Who was good in 91? Is this Samson? Well, technical it's my goal.

Do you have a stab at it or? I'll have a go, but I can't remember any drivers from that year off the top of my head now. So I will seize, I'll go see victory to Harry so he can have a go. Stefan O'Hoddenner? No, I don't know.

Ricky Pats was my other one. Ricky Pats is correct. Well done. Yeah, Ricardo Petrazy. He's how he can't get it again. It's impressive work. That's impressive. Do you know what's even more impressive, actually,

is that you've managed to essentially run the board there, yet you actually struggled more when you were only about five drivers in. That was the one you took longest on was when you were only about five in. but you have absolutely nailed that. Well done. Well done, Harry. Good job, mate. You want something today.

I think we, I think, well, it was an odd done amount, wasn't it? So that's, it was, no one, that's how it works, right? No. As long as we keep getting on me correct, it doesn't really matter. That's fine. I think, do you know who, do you know who's really one here? Podcasting. The listener.

You're welcome podcasting world. F1. Back and forth it's F1. Back and forth it goes backwards. Then goes forth, it's F1. Back and forth, F1. That pure suspense of not knowing what way it's going to go after going backwards is unbelievable. Every time.

I get you every time. Do we have a bit of time to round out the episode with Question of the Week? Go on, Sam. LB question of the week My least favourite three seconds on the podcast And I will do it forever now Yeah I know Question of the week

So we said The LB guys, that's us three What are we going to have at the top of our trees Wrong answers only Or best answers will be read out on the podcast Any that caught your eyes, Sam yes C-frat simply going

Handberg is an ultimate classic life-size Yuki Senoda of course from the Rant Wolf there and there was one

from and it's going from car jam who did the whole song of 10 tips of racing nine races podium chasing eight strategies for Ferrari

7 continents late breaking thank you for the sport six future sprint races five blessed t-shirts four years till we see how old three english guys podcasting two shows every week and a sausage out for our boy gazley like honestly pretty well excellent works um there were loads you know a ceramic sculpture being the cat from leo brilliant stuff um someone said that keith was going to help me get the tree up which i really appreciate sausages fashioned into a star shape from alicia um all of them so many good ones and Thank you. Oh, a stack of the last 20 years of Formula One games to generate our bromance. You imagine it's a championship edition on top of our tree.

I'm all for that. Where it belongs. I'm all for that. That was from Grey Primordial, so thank you. Honestly, every week you all make up some brilliant answers. I loved it. Mike Davis on Twitter. Yeah, Mike Davis on Twitter,

to our question, what would be going on top of our tree, said, Big Shack, which is... How big's the tree? that was one of my faves some immersed in real life on Twitter also said can't afford a tree this year because we gave away all the money at the LP store

Black Friday sale which We probably made no money Probably It's not about the money It's about representing the money I like the I like the This is from Lucy M on Twitter as well

Bag of Crisps all round And I appreciate this one Because there's been a slight translation era from from here across La Biguettes to our friends in America, the bag of chips. Oh, they think we mean fries. They think we mean crisps. Oh, crisps, yeah. No, sorry, folks.

We mean like bag of chips is in French fries or chips. You go down the chippy for a bag of chips. Yeah, fishing chips. It's not fishing a packet of crisps, like a weirdo. Anyway, I just, sorry, Lucy M, you're not a weird. I was just pointed out. I've insulted you in myself. But yeah, I enjoyed that one.

But again, lots of, lots of good ones. Some weird ones on there, too, but some good, many good ones. My absolute favourite, without a doubt, was from Katie from Texas, a figure of DC holding adult Sam. That's great. Oh, he carries me as a baby. I also appreciated, I can't remember who we did it, Instaglid, I think it was, who said George Russell's 275 points could be on the top of the tree.

Well, more than Hamilton got, so. Oh, come on. Teammate wars, come on. Didn't we're anything today, mate? No, I know, I did. Don't talk about that. I want the constructors with one point. There was a couple of, I, jewels on Twitter as well, a sausage for Pierre Noel, which very clever.

Very good. And a few people just saying. five stars on the top of the tree, which is, again, clever. Clever work. Yeah, witty, witty work. Also, you know how Twitter sometimes hides replies because it thinks it's offensive? It hid three replies. So I'm sorry to Matt Hector, Fred the Red, and also Jim Joel Loll.

Oh, great names. But two of them were about gammon. What's offensive about that? Hey? Well, in England, obviously, remember that if you were a supporter of Brexit, you were called a gammon. so that's why I think. Good. Well, I wouldn't recommend putting a gammon on top of a Christmas tree. Final one for me.

With, from Laura, and she said the classic face. She's a bandmate. Just one dollar. Just one dollar. Other lores are allowed. They exist in the world. All right. Okay, fine.

Just one dollar. Great answers, as always. Thank you very much for getting involved. And we're going to be looking for a bit more. participation in terms of the next couple of podcasts. So coming up, we've got a Pump the Breaks Discord edition. So if you'd like your Pump the Breaks played out and we will decide whether you should be gunged based on your opinions or not, get involved.

We'll put the details in Discord over the next couple of days. So that's one thing you can get involved in. Also, we do have the Elbeys coming up, which means late breaking Hall of Fame nominees and there is always a submission from the general public. So if you have an idea as to who deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, let us know via Twitter, Instagram or Discord. We'll put out specific posts for it. So if you respond to that when they're out, that will probably make the most sense. Just a reminder who got the Hall of Fame nods. Last year, Shaquille O'Neill, Uti Sonoda, Dave Benson Phillips and Harry's Fire Alarm.

If you think your submission is too random, it really isn't. Anything can be submitted, as long as you get votes behind it. Yeah, and if you see someone's comment that you like it, so we'd, I don't know, have a better chance of picking it. But yeah, more details on that to come, I'm sure. Sam, if you wouldn't mind getting us out of here. Folks, it's been a wild episode, starting more wild, I think, than the three of us anticipated when we hit record today.

But hey, we've made it to the end, and you're here with us. So thank you. remember you can join the Guids to get involved with the quiz to get involved with the pump the breaks episode and of course get properly submitting into the Hall of Fame it's a big moment and you all meet if you haven't already Clives Pickleworth it's like shives but with an L

and he will be back for that famous episode of course don't forget as well that you can have a little look at the Patreon where you'll get extra benefits like ad-free podcast discount on merch and an extra topic each month and we have the merchandise and although the Black Friday sale has passed

there still some rather lovely items up for sale and you must be help up the show by picking one up. Maybe it's a little Christmas gift. Anyway, thanks for listening. You're all delightful. We have social media. I'm going to let you work it out. I can't bother say it all.

In the meantime, I being Samuel Sage. I've been bad hockey. And I've been Big Bud. I remember, keep breaking late. It breaks the wood. This is part of the Sport Social Podcast Network. Thank you.