The Late Braking F1 Podcast - Sebastian Vettel leaves Ferrari! | Episode 48

Episode Date: May 14, 2020

A big week for Formula 1 news as Sebastian Vettel decides to leave Ferrari at the end of 2020! The boys breakdown all the reprecussions of his decision in this week's episode of the Late Braking F1 Podcast.Make sure to SUBSCRIBE for new podcasts every week! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Thank you for listening to the Late Breaking F1 podcast. Make sure to look out for new episodes every Thursday and Grand Prix Sundays. Hello and I very well welcome to the late breaking Formula One podcast in what is a very quiet week in the F1 world. I'm sorry we really don't have much to talk about at all apart from the small matter of Sebastian Bessel because, well, he's decided to leave Ferrari. So there is that little bit that we'll probably get on to. But thank you ever so much for joining us. My name's Ben Hocking, of course, alongside me, Samuel Sage and Harry Ead.

I mean, wherever you might be listening, and I just want to address one thing from last week if you were listening, you'll know that we did have an application in at Blockbusters for our podcast to be there. Unfortunately, that hasn't come through. Hit a load of out of offices and found that Blockbusters is actually no more. So you'll have to stick with Spotify, Google Podcasts, wherever you might be listening. Good news is we have asked Sebastian Betel's putting a word with us at Ferrari. So that might come to something.

Do Ferrari host podcasts? Well, they will when they hear ours. I've got a backup option, guys. I have been speaking to BHS. So fingers crossed. Well, keep us updated as to what happens with that. We are looking to widen our sphere. of influence and after Woolworths didn't come through, you know, it's a tough world out there.

In slightly more serious news, we're going to be talking about Sebastian Vettel because he has decided that him and Ferrari are no more. He's going to be moving on at the end of 2020. We're going to be discussing what is next for Sebastian Vettel. Does he stay in F1? Does he race elsewhere? Does he retire altogether? And we're going to be looking at the most influential vote today, as we're recording it, Michael Schumacher won. the bracket that F1 have done to decide who is the most influential person in the history of F1, we're going to be putting our own input into that debate. But first, Sam, I'll throw it to you.

What was your initial reaction to Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari, is a done deal not happening anymore? Well, folks, if you're enjoying that crazy intro in the chat we're about to give you, they'll tell your sub-woffers. Get it? Go ahead. And let it. Thank you. And let it vibrate your fingers over the subscribe button, giving a little click there for me.

Thank you. Thank you very much. Anyway, let's talk Formula One. So, yes, Sebivet, he's not going to be in red anymore by the sound of it. I'm pretty shocked to start off with. I think the whole F1 community is shocked. I think the fact that that came out as news across the F1 sphere, we were all a bit flabbergasted. I'm still generally a little bit confused as to what's going on with everything

but it's currently looking like Carlos Sites is going to be leaving McLaren to go to Ferrari Daniel Ricardo could go from Renault to McClaren they've wanted him for a while and that leaves a Renault seat open because that means Seb goes there does that mean a longso fills in there Fat Nando's we like to now call him No where is he going out? This is really really difficult because I actually can't see any really viable options for Sevi Vett unless he's willing to take a step away from winning races

and I think that's part of what he wanted at Ferrari. He wanted a championship winning car where he led the team, he built the team and he gave them something really powerful to follow up on. He's obviously not going to go back to Red Bull. I can't see that happening. They seem pretty happy with Albon and Gestapel. And that would be moving Albon back, and then they lose another key drivers.

So can't see that happening. does Vettel go to Renault or McLaren? They're realistically the only two seats that I think he can pick up if there's almost a driver swap between Science of Vettel or Ricardo moving into one of those open seats. McLaren's an option.

And this is the reason why I think Science is silly to leave McLaren for Ferrari. I think Science is in a team that have got sidle, they've been put back together really nicely, they've got great investment. They've just started a relationship with McLaren Mercedes

and they're ditching the Renault engines which have not proven to be brilliantly good. the Honda's now caught up to it. Realistically, if you give McLaren two or three years more consistent development and you have a partnership like Landon Norris and Sikes, maybe Vettel or Ricardo, you've got race-winning capabilities there. You've got a real pedigree in your team. And I think if they can continue that aerodevelopment,

they could be a championship contender in the next four to five years. I think they've got more of a chance to be a championship contender than Renault. And that's why I don't think Vettel should make the year. appearance in the black and yellow, black and yellow, obviously one of his hit singles that he produced. And that kind of interests me,

because that obviously brings up the option whether Fando Alonkso steps back into Renault, which he's been teasing over on Twitter if you haven't seen. It's all a bit of banter from Nando. We know he loves it. He's brought out the level five spicy Nando's banter.

I love it. He's stirring that part, and I absolutely love to see it. But I don't think he's going to come back. I reckon currently it's going to be a straight swap between Vettel and Sighton. So that to me is the most realistic option for Vettel to go back to McLaren. They're a team that are on the up.

They're improving. They have so much investment. They've got the money to pay his wages. He would be a first driver over Lando because of his pedigree, his abilities, helped to grow the car. It would be a steal for McLaren to get a four-time world champion back in the car. I'd like to see him there.

I think it would be fun to see him battling out in the midfield. Yeah, it would shock me if he goes anywhere else other than McLaren Reno at a real, real push, but I can't see it happening unless somewhere out of the woodwork, Giavanazzi ends up in that Ferrari seat. Oh, Giovinazzi, as Ben Marks could say. And we have a Kimi-Riking, Sebastian Vettel reunion at Alfa-Mayo, which I just don't see happening. So, I don't know where Vettel really goes.

McClarumvir is the best bet. I wouldn't be shocked if we see him going somewhere outside of Formula One, though. Interesting. Harry, what was your initial reaction to the news? well I saw the initial report at like midnight or something on Monday night and I was like oh damn and then I went to sleep

that was my first that's what happened first you were that shocked I said were you oh yeah well you know you try not to believe everything too see for real but it was and I woke up and it was real it wasn't a dream yeah I don't part of me thought he might stay on

for another year or something so, but reading his, reading his statement and reading Ferrari statement, it makes sense for him not to stay because he was going to have to play second fiddle. And we've already discussed on a separate video, his time at Ferrari. But however you look at that, he is still a four-time world champion. And a four-time world champion, no matter what stage of their career they're in, shouldn't have to play second fiddle to the young upstart of Charles Leclair, no matter how much love Charlerclair.

So, yeah, it makes sense. But yeah, the next thing is, where does he go? What's he going to do next? I personally think he'll, he may call it a date. I think he might do a Jensen Button and say he's just going to go on a break, which then, or Amika Haclin and go on a sabbatical, which may then turn into just a full-blown retirement. You know, we all know he's a family man, pretty private about his, his, his personal life.

Maybe he's been at home for the past couple of months under lockdown and realise he's actually, gosh, it's quite nice. I don't have to get up. I don't have to go around the world. Just stay at home and fix my bike and look after my kids. So, yeah, that's a, that's what I think will probably happen. I don't see, I don't see him signing with McLaren. And it would be a steal for McLaren.

I guess that's a bit rude on McLaren, really. They are McLaren still. but to get a four-time world champ back in their seat after they lost the Bonzo would be a good signing. But for the future, do they want to sign someone who may not be around for much longer? I don't know. So my gut feeling is I don't want said to leave, but I think he probably will be leaving. So, I mean, my initial reaction was not necessarily shock. I was a little surprised it came at this time, but I'm not surprised that it's happened.

I would have liked to have seen Vettel and Ferrari arrange something. I think in an ideal world, Ferrari would have wanted him back. But it was always going to be a difficult negotiation because Sebastian Vettel signed his last contract for a lot of money and to be the number one driver. And I'm pretty sure in the negotiation, and we can't tell exactly what went on and what was important to Sebastian Vettel. But those two things, it's very likely Vettel was going to have to compromise on at least, one of them, probably two of them, which might have been the nail in the coffin, really. And it's a mixture of some, some of his dodgy performances over the last few years, Sebastian Betel and also the emergence of Charles Leclair.

Suddenly someone has put a claim in for the number one driver who isn't Betel, which puts that under question. And, you know, as his status isn't as important in the team when there is a very good second driver next to him, his money's going to go down. He was getting paid the money that they would want for him to be a world champion. And for reasons both related to Vettel's performances and also Ferrari's shortcomings in terms of strategy,

the world championship never came for him. I was sad because I really wanted to see Sebastian Vettel succeed at Ferrari and win that championship. If he still does in 2020, we don't know. but if it does end up with no titles, it will be a disappointment. He went there trying to emulate Schumacher and to leave them no championships would be devastating.

To look at what might happen next for Sebastian Vetter, I think the options you've laid out are probably the most realistic ones on the F1 grid. I expected a return to Red Bull to be a bit more on the lips of people. know about you guys. I'm not saying it's going to happen or there was any any prospect of it happening. But I did at least expect some rumours at this stage and it seems as if they've all revolved around McLaren and Renault. In terms of the, in terms of the McLarency, the one concern I have there is that McLaren who were in a tough situation for many years, they've started to make progress. And I'm not saying it's a direct cause, but it's a

is at least involved in it. Alonzo, someone who had a lot of control over the team, no longer driving for them, do they put Sebastian Vettel in the car? I'm not saying Vettel will come in with the same approach as Alonzo, but he is a big time name. Does Vettel come in, wanting number one status? Does he start to become that Alonzo figure

that kind of got him down this rabbit hole in the first place? I don't know whether there will be reservations there. And maybe he would have a bit more control. at Renno. But at the same time with Renno, they went backwards in 2019. They'd have to give a pretty good pitch to Vettel that that was a very one-off year

and isn't going to be a trend. And they're going to get back on the horse in 2020 going forward. I don't think either is a brilliant prospect. I think from Vettel's perspective, he was kind of involved in bringing Red Bull up from a midfield team to a front runner. In 2009, they didn't win. the championship, but I think the job was mostly completed.

If he can go to a team like McLaren and oversee a return to the top of the grid and be a part of that resurgence, that does really good for his legacy in Formula One. So there might be some appeal in that. We know like Kimmy Reichen, for example, I don't think he's going to be disappointed at the lack of spotlight as he goes away from Ferrari and the Italian media. I think he might quite enjoy getting involved in some upper midfield scraps. He is a pure racer. So I could see a few of those happening.

In terms of retirement, as you kind of touched on, Harry, he is a family man. We know that. He keeps his private life private. The thing is, and I compare this to Nico Rosberg's retirement, because Rosberg cited family reasons when he left. and I believe that those were genuine and that's why he did. But he's gone on to do so many other things that I just don't think Vettel's going to be interested in.

Rosberg, I guess you could call him an ecopreneur as much as I hate that term. He's set up his own YouTube channel. He's doing media for Sky Sports. I don't think Vettel will have any interest in any of that. So I'm not really sure what he would do at this time. And I think he would actually, I think he would get the racing bug again.

So I could see a sabbatical in Vettel's future. I could see him going away to do other motorsports that perhaps don't have the strenuous calendar like F1 does. I would also love to see Semi Vett go into some form of team management. I would love a shocking answerment that Toto Wolf has signed Sebastian Veto in a couple of years' time to be like vice team principal, their Formula E team. or something like that, that would be a fantastic and crazy term.

But realistically, I think if he stays in Formula One, McLaurang is probably his closest bet. If he doesn't, I don't think he ever comes back to Formula One. So, I mean, I think he's got three options, and we've kind of looked two of them quite closely. One of them is to stay in F1, and one of them is to retire, just flat out. The other one is that he could go into another form of motorsport.

Harry, of all the championships, is there one that you look at and think, that seems like something better would do? The most it has to be Indycar, I think, although I just don't think I could see him, and I think he's probably said it before, I don't think he has any interest in ovals.

But that being said, Max Chilton doesn't do any ovals, and he's a legend. So I could see him going to do Indycar, like just the same as Alonzo, well, is sort of doing, is considering just because

we know Vettel's a bit more old-school when it comes to his racing cars. He, you know, he liked them loud and I know the Indy car has only got a V6, but it's pretty still a bit louder than an F-1 car, but it's pretty simple. It's down to the driver. It's, yeah, nowhere near as complicated as an F-1 car.

So I could see him going to do that. I would have said DTM, but that is like it's going down the crapper, so I won't say that. Yeah, so I'll, I'll go with IndyCar for now. I can't think of any other ones at the moment. I can.

He's obviously going to drive a Volvo in BTCC. Oh, sorry, so how could I forget British touring car? Absolutely. Him and Jason Plater going tow to go around Brandt's Hatch. I think he actually love it, though, if he did go and do it. I should probably have a way a lot of time. Nigel Mansell did it, so it's not unheard of. Janessa Juniors.

Guaranteed. Put your money where your mouth is get to, honestly, put money on it. It will happen. What, Seb and Janetta Jr.'s? Guarantee it. And this is becoming very preposterous, very quick. Do you see any endurance racing in his future? I would love to see Sebi vetting endurance racing.

There's a new hypercar class coming in, of course, who's scrapped LMP1. There's a lot of brands looking at this. Mercedes are one of the brands that are looking at it as well. There's a lot of EV prospects going in there. You've got to use a lot of hybrid technology. So they'll be trying to advance their road car technology. BMW are looking at it as well. Toyota, Honda.

They're all looking at these new developments in this new hypercar forum. I think that's the closest you're going to get to endurance at the moment. And he is a big name. He will draw in a lot of sponsors and you know he's got the talent. It would shock me if Mercedes or BMW with that, obviously, German link that they have. have there, don't possibly send him a cheeky text message going, all right, SebiVet Babes, fancy doing 24 hours round one track with us.

I reckon you'll like it. What, the text or the actual prospect of the race? He'll vomit over the text. No, I think both. I mean, if you don't like the text, you don't like the race, right? If he's referred to as semi-vets by someone trying to get his services, I don't see it. No, Sebi-Vet babes. Oh, yeah, sorry.

I mean, the babe, the semi-vette by itself probably does the deal, but putting babes. at the end. I mean, SVB, it's got her into it. Arguable. I think, yeah, I think, yeah, DTM definitely would have been something I would have said about a year ago, or even, you know, six weeks ago,

but what happens with DTM, we're not sure. If they managed to salvage it, maybe that's a prospect. Indica, I'd love to see him in Indica. I'd absolutely love to see that happen, whether it would, like you say, the ovals is a bit of question mark. And I would maybe say endurance racing was the most likely option out of those. And the only other one I can think of was Formula E, but I just, I don't see that happening.

I don't think there's any chance he does that. I think we just need a moment to acknowledge the loss of Sebastian Vetter at Ferrari. If you miss Sebastian Vettler at Ferrari, then please call five. It's been one day. Let us mourn. I'll really miss him. To fair, I am going to, if he doesn't come back to F1, I'm genuinely going to miss Sebastian Vettel.

I mean, if it is, his final year. It's been one day since Vettel's gone. We have never had one about Nick Hydefeld not being an F1 anymore, and that's been nearly a decade. Until now. He drives on in my soul. Quick Nick will never leave us. I have a tree outside.

Just for him. I'm having them over it. You don't even like him. Nick Heidel. I'm joking. I'm joking. Who doesn't love Nick Heidfeld? Quick Nick Heifeld's a legend.

Anyway. I feel like we've gone off topic here. No, actually, we've gone on topic because the next thing we're going to be speaking about is the most influential people in F1 history. And I think Nick Hydefeld probably leads that list. So, with that in mind, Sam, do you have a name in mind?

We've seen the poll that's happened today, the final of the bracket that F1 have done, Michael Schumacher won their tournament against Bernie Ecclestone in the final. Do you have a name in mind? Funny enough, I think Bernie Eccleston should have beaten Michael Schumacher. I think Michael Schumacher is by far the most famous game in Formula One. 100%.

You know, one of the most elite of all time. He obviously holds all the records. He's a hero of all three of ours from our childhood. We adore that man. Don't get me wrong. But do I think he? he's the most influential. No, I don't think he's been gone from the sport long enough

to realistically be influential. And he only became so prolific in his time in Formula One in his last four to five years here anyway, before he kind of dipped out and obviously he came back to the Sages for a little bit. But, you know, while he was at his prime, it was the last few years he was in the sport. And I don't think, you know, he had the time to really become influential yet. I think the likes of Senna, I think Eccleston are above him.

I think Louder is more influential. I think Sterling Moss is more influential at the moment than Schimacher. Stuart, I think, is up there because their ability to change the safety of the sport, the advocacy they put up for what happens in and around the sport, how Eccleston shaped what happens in Formula One. And the things that he did to certain teams, you know, we had that case, even recently, before he sold the sport to Liberty, where he fell out with Mercedes.

and it was like the saying it just weren't a team in one race. They didn't appear on the camera once. They literally weren't there because he clicked his fingers and said, don't put them on the camera because I don't want them to be on the camera. That's pretty influential. I mean, come on. You're dictating what happened that hundreds of millions across the world saw. Schumacher, yeah, he's an influential man.

He's incredibly famous. He's so talented and we adore him. But I do not think he matches up close to the likes of Eccleson's influential nature of Formula One. And I think Eccleston is top. I think Senner is second. Loudar is second.

You know, Moss are all there kind of grouped together. I think Schumacher's high up the list. Obviously, you don't become a seven-time world champion without being on that list. But I don't think he's in the top five.

I don't think he's almost maybe in the top ten. But he's up there. He's a strong name, yeah. But no, for me, I think Eccleston does actually take it. I think there's a very good vote by the F1 fan.

base but unfortunately they get slired at the final hurdle I mean Bernie Ecclestone sorry Michael Schumacher beat Enzo Ferrari to get to the final in the semi-finals do you put him in amongst that list I mean Eccleston is so influential

Ben that you started off your sentence then by saying his name is Steve Schumackers by accident was a curse Exo yeah obviously he's got a real legacy he's got a real history I think unfortunately for our old boy, Enzo, because of how long ago

he was involved in Formula One, the majority of the generation that he would have influenced, the majority of the sport that he would have influenced is now so gone that it doesn't have the same impact that he maybe would have had all those years ago.

So, yeah, he's up there. He's obviously going to be forever a massive name in the sport and in motor racing and in Ferrari's history. But I think in the modern genre of racing, it's close but I think it's fair that Schumacher goes in front of him

and I want your thoughts on one other name actually Sam is a bit left field I guess compared to these drivers and guys who were directly involved in the running in Formula 1 so to speak but Murray Walker for me personally

Murray Walker made me fall in love with Formula 1 I don't know if that means he's the most influential person but as someone who's impacted my life growing up, that voice resonates above all others. You know, you've got famous voices, Morgan Freeman, David Attenborough. Murray Walker is that voice.

And it astounds me how many memories I have linked to Murray Walker screaming nonsense down a straight or at a track. And there's a lot of where I get my silliness from is Murray Walker's pandering behavior on the commentators booth. for me yeah okay he is incredibly influential but across the all of sport and for all people I don't think so because it doesn't take into the fact of the rest of the speaking world that isn't British speaking or is it British viewing that may not have watched it through that one outlet so maybe for for England or for British speaking nations that got to view that broadcaster

yes for me 100% but for the whole world across all of history top 10 that I don't think he can make the top brilliant and actually I just want to say to F1 themselves this is directed at F1 so I know you're listening if I can call you F F Mr One

How could you not put Charlie Whiting on the 32 people that got on that list You put Helmut Marco on that list and you did not put Charlie Whiting. That is absolutely ridiculous. Anyway, enough of that. Harry, have you got a name you think is the most influential? Do you think it's Bernie?

I feel like it's very difficult. You can't pin it down to one person. I agree with all the people that have been in that top three, Murray or top four with Murray as well, if you include him. I agree with you, Ben, about Charlie White. fighting. I can't believe that. I didn't know he wasn't on the list. I'm pretty sure he wasn't. God damn it. The one name that sprung to my mind was Professor Sid Watkins, the late Professor Sid Watkins.

Yeah. Yeah, for a man who wasn't involved in necessarily running the sport or he wasn't a driver or a team owner, but he was the doc or the prof. yeah and a lot of a lot of drivers owe their life to him Mika Hacken being one of them Berger I think as well yeah so he's definitely got to be thrown in that list I think because

you know the safety of F1 he joined in the 70s when you know people were still being killed pretty often and we you know lots of drivers like Jackie Stewart etc have done lots for safety but Sid Watkins may be the one at the top of that list

So, yeah, he's definitely going to get to mention. Bernie, yeah, in terms of, if you say power is influence, if you're saying that's the same thing, then yes, he's almost certainly the top of that list, I think, because he had all the power and made people race and not race, etc. He basically bankrupt Donington, so Silverton was signed a deal. So that's, he's almost like the devil, basically, but in a nice way. Almost like the devil in a nice way. A perfect description of Bernie Eccleston.

It says a lot actually about Sid Watkins, that if you hadn't mentioned him in your answer, Harry, I was actually going to ask you, do you think Sid Wilkins could have that? Instead, I'll throw another name to you, not an area that we've really spoken about yet in terms of design. Does Adrian Newe deserve a place up there? Yeah.

He has to, doesn't he? But then if you start throwing designers in, probably have to put, I have to put Ross Braun in, might have to put, what's called, Rory Byrne, Gordon Murray, he'd have to go in that, but I guess if you're

going to go over the length, the length of time that Adrian's been in F1 and the amount of good cars he's designed, you know, he's been to three different teams and he's made championship winning cars in all of them. So yeah, look, he's, he's

another legend of F1 is undoubtedly. It's why it's such a hard question because there's such so many different areas of F-1 where different people have influenced so yeah but he's in he's in the mix for sure yeah it says a lot that we've been discussing this for so long and then there are

many drivers many team bosses that we haven't mentioned Colin Chapman you mentioned John Totley I don't think has been said yet and plenty of others as well there have been in the 70 years such an influence from so many people I'm actually going to go with Jackie Stewart on this one because the absolute influence that he had on safety

in the late 60s and early 70s has paved the way for so much since that point. I think the F1 drivers of today, the F1 drivers of 10 years ago, 20 years ago, can thank Jackie Stewart. They should thank Jackie Stewart regularly whenever they see him because I really do believe that some of the actions he had with the influence he had as a world champion back in that time

I think he managed to transform safety at circuits just from the influence of what he was able to do. You look at old videos of how F1 drivers the respect that they had of his opinion and how he would go to bat for them, even though in most instances it didn't serve him well. And he truly believed that safety more had to be done about it. And he stood up for what he believed in in that respect.

I just want to refer to something that happened to Jackie Stewart himself back in in 1966. It was at SPAR and he fell off the track, heavy rain. I think it was about 160 miles an hour. He goes into a telephone pole and a shed, which is very 60s F1. And he was unable to escape his car. Fellow drivers, I think Graham Hill included, managed to rescue him out of there. No doctors at the track, no medical facility.

at the track, Stuart was put in the bed of a pickup truck until an ambulance arrived. He was taken to the first aid centre, first of all, and he waited on a stretcher, placed on the floor, which was cigarette ends rubbish all over the place, and I believe they got lost on the way to the hospital, which is just incredible when you think that that was about 55 years ago. You wouldn't even think of something to be like. that happening today. Jackie Stewart himself took part in plenty of boycotts in the early 70s. The last race, which had no arm coat, took place in his time in F1.

And, you know, there were fellow drivers. There were press members. And probably most of all, there were circuit organizers who really hated what Jackie Stewart was doing because it was costing the circuit owners a lot of money. And plenty of members of the press and plenty of F1 drivers believed that he was taking the DNA. out of F1 by making it less dangerous. He took criticism from all sides, stood up to it all, didn't care, stood up for what he believed in,

and managed to make significant change. And for that reason, I'm going with Stuart. Really interesting debate. Obviously, love to know what those listening think. Get in contact with us on Twitter at L breaking. Just have a chat of us. Who's your most influential person? Do you think it is Schumacher or, you know,

one of the many other names that we've mentioned? There is something we haven't come up with. It's really interesting to know who's affected you and why you think they're so influential? I forgot Tarso Marquez. Oh, I knew there was one or two things. And Taki, I knew he. Did you see Taki's tweet about social distancing?

No, but I'm going to have a look. Taki basically said he is the king of social distancing because he was always a lap behind everyone else. Honestly, good to say, is he so far in front of all the competition? Oh yeah, social distance. I was always used to do it during the race more than a lap behind. Oh, tacky. That seriously got me.

So well than tacky. He loves a self-burn. It's rare. He loves it, though. It's so funny. So go on to our last segment of today, Harry. Have you got a jingle lined up because I don't want to give the fans something that doesn't end up coming through? I do.

All right Go on Sam I can't sing over that It's the Who Are You? That's good enough All right, okay Well Get a jingle for everything I'm not a magician of words

Could sing along Lovely So Close to that The name of this segment is F1 Who Am I And it's our latest game That no one cares about

That we're going to play anyway That's my favourite exactly so we've got 10 drivers and you're going to take it in turns and you're going to have to tell me who the driver is based on the years that they spent in Formula One and the teams that they raced for so fairly simple so who wants to go first who wants the first crack? Harry can go first

I'll go first all right Harry name the driver and everyone please play along at home let us know how many you get out of 10 at L braking, as Sam said. Harry, this driver raced from 1997 to 2007 and raced for Jordan, Williams and Toyota. Who am I?

Oh my God. Oh, Ralph Schumacher. The most underrated driver in history. I'm joking. I do know. That is correct, though. Well done. Ralph Schumacher. Oh, thank you. Good. Good to hear. done, mate. Thanks. All right.

I was clueless. Sam, your first one? Yeah. This driver raced from 2005 to 2007 and then again in 2009 to 2011 and they raced for Red Bull, Toro Rosso, Force India and H.R.T. Oh, God. Red Bull, Toro,

Force, India and H.R.T. Yes. What are the years again, Ben? Where what the years? 05 to 07, 09 to 11. God. Can you tell me what years

they're in each car? I could, but I'm not going to. Burn. All right, give me a minute. I'm thinking. It need a countdown music.

Yeah, I know. Oh, this is not helping the pressure. I'm just going to take a complete... Yes. I'm going to get it wrong already. Christian Cleon I'm afraid not Harry do you know who it is

um is it Leutzee it is Leutzee yeah that was my other guess that's so annoying when did he did he race for HRT oh yeah in 2011 all right I need I knew that one because of Red Bull really

I didn't know he raised for Red Bull I knew he did the others that's what threw me off back to you then Harry for this one 2007 to 2011 and then 2013 to 2014 racing Spiker Force India and Salba Oh my God Spiker Force India Salba

2007 to 11 and when 13 to 15 Oh I know it is 07 to 15 07 to 14 but not 2012 year out that year I've got it I think I've got it Oh my God. And the teams are what?

Spiker, Force India and Salba. Soutil? Yeah. Adrian Soutil. When did he drive for S? Oh yeah, he drove for Salwa. Is this going to happen for every one? Yes.

I thought that was quite easy. Adrian Sutil. No, that was a difficult one. All right. Okay. Sam, your next one. This driver raced from 1997 to 2000 And then again in 2005

And then again in 2007 Racing for Benetton, McLaren and Williams What? They're like the most vague teams as well in those eras What are the years, sorry? So 97 to 2000 Yeah 2005, 2007 1997 to 2000

2005 Yep And then 2007 Yep I think I know who it is But I don't know Who he raised for in 2005 Yeah that's the bit

I'm struggling with And you saying that is really throwing me off Because I thought it was I thought it was someone else then Oh, I'm going to destroy. I'm sorry. Was it Giancarlo Fiskella? It was not. Oh, I'm so...

I'm like all of Harry's, but I don't know mine. Have you got a name, Harry? Is it Alex Verst? It is Alex Verst, yeah. Oh, it's my other guess again! For Christ's sake! Yeah. He only...

O five, he filled him for one, Pablo Montoya, when he had his tennis injury. What, a Macca? Yeah, he did one race And Delarosa did the other He got a podium He got a podium at San Marina My God

Did he get podium? Well, I forgot about the I didn't know about the filling That's what, told me to not to go for the guest I'm going to go for my gut Went to the dentist Got a fill in

I shouldn't know that way though That's the verse joke You've made all screen Oh, hang on There's go There we go Hey, there we go, yeah. Harry, your third one.

1984 to 1997. Christ. At least it's a nice, consistent time. It is. It is. This time, yeah. ATS, Arrows, Benetton, Ferrari, McLaren. My God.

Um, geez. ATS Arrows, Benetton? Yeah, Ferrari and McLaren. Ferrari and McLaren. Oh my God. I'm annoyed again now. Do you know this one? Do you know it?

Yeah, yeah. I think so. The only one I'm not sure about is the ATS team. I think I've managed to get the other teams. ATS is a crap name for a team as well. It is. That's why I can't remember it. Oh. Gahar Burger.

Get a burger. That's the one. For Christ's sake. Get one wrong, Harry. That will tell you that Sam knew that one. All right. Sam, this is your next one. 2004.

Yeah. And then 2008 to 2012. Jordan, Toyota, Virgin and Marussia. Oh. Why is this one harder than the one we just? Virgin and Marussia is a bit of bum stairs. That's the same team. Ben.

Yeah, but I think that's just giving it away. Is that glock? It is glock, yes. It is glock, yes. It is clock. Here we go. Harry, your next one. The years are definitely spread out on this one, Sam.

So you might be happy. Thank you. Harry, 1993, 1993, 1995 to 1996, 1999 and 2009. and they race for Scuderia Italia, Minardi, 40 and Ferrari. There's only one man who had a career, that crap, and that's Frederick.

It's Luca Badoa. It is Luca Badoa. Oh, when you said the teams, I thought it was going to be hard. Oh. Both. When you said the years, I thought it was in the moment you drop those teams in.

All right. Scudorria, Italia. Your penultimate one. since 1989 to 2000. Oh, that's a nice and consistent, right. And the teams are, there's a lot of them. Benetton, Tyrell, Lotus, Ligier, Salber, Stewart and Jaguar. Hold on, hold on.

Benetton, Tyrell, Lotus, Ligier. What was next? Salber, Stewart and Jaguar. A lot of teams. It is a lot of teams, yeah. I feel like we should have thought something to fill the voids of thinking. I mean...

Yeah, let's play that on repeat. I've actually... After the second question, I got a notepad out to write down the teams just so I can keep an eye on them. Oh, it's only got to be one man. If I'm wrong, this is very embarrassing, but...

Johnny Herbert takes the lead. Johnny Herbert, that's the one. Johnny Herbert, lead. Johnny Herbert! What a laugh. Fantastic. Good old, Jenny. Harry, your last one, and this is a chance to go five for five as well.

Impressive stuff. This one is 2000 to 2011, and they raced for Prost, Salber, Jordan, Williams and Renault. 2000, 2011. Is it... Wait, was it... What was the first team? Prost.

Prost. Is it quick Nick? It is Quick Nick Heidel for five out of five. Nicely done. How they drew for Lotus? Well, they're still Renault then? Or they're Renaultus? I don't know.

I think they were Renault. I hope they were Renault. Anyway, just about. I mean, you've got it. Well done, sir. Yeah. Good, true. Thanks.

And Sam, your last one is from 1980 to 1991. and then again in 93 and this person raced for McLaren, Renaud, Ferrari and Williams. Oh, oh, big names. Hello there.

Hello there. It doesn't really help me. I mean, it's there. The games are so big. It has to be a big driver. And I'm going to really embarrassed way. Do you mean in height?

I'll give you a clue. It is a big driver. Well, I was thinking, I was thinking Prost. It is. Oh, good. Thank God. If I could get bloody Luca Bodoa, I was hoping I could get Prost. It's a big driver. Very confident, but if you get it wrong, yeah. That was it. The first game with Prosting, I thought, it's not going to be, is it? But no, that's good. All right, I'm happy I got a few in the end.

No, you got three out of five, so it's a solid effort. and collectively they're very well. But Harry, five out of five. Well done. Well done, mate. Well done. Thank you. A big driver, but a little man was a cross.

Isn't that what I am? Yes. That's it. I'm quite short, everyone. And on the iconic phrase, a big driver but a little man, I can't think of any better way to finish off a podcast. So, Sam, if you would do the honours and get us up. Well, folks, if you've enjoyed what has been a rather up and down,

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