The Late Braking F1 Podcast - Should Andretti-Cadillac get a place in F1?

Episode Date: January 11, 2023

The LB boys are back at full strength for the first time in 2023, and there's plenty to talk about thanks to Michael Andretti and Cadillac! The boys discuss the potential new F1 team, as well as Sergio Perez's comments about a title charge in 2023 before playing a new game... JOIN our Discord: https://discord.gg/dQJdu2SbAm SUPPORT our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/latebraking TWEET us @LBraking BUY our merch: https://late-braking-f1-podcast.creator-spring.com/ SUBSCRIBE to our podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Thank you for listening to the Late Breaking F1 podcast. Make sure to tune in for new episodes every Wednesday and Grand Prix Sunday. Hello and a very warm welcome to the late breaking F1 podcast presented by Harry Eid, Sam Sage and me, Ben Hocking. For the first time in 2023, there's three members of late breaking here at a recording. we have done the bare minimum we have shown up. Go us. Sam, did you leave the door open and let this guy back in?

Look, he came begging and he offered me 19-N-P, and I say, you know what, mate, as I've known you since you're a eight-year-old boy, I'll give you a second chance. And he came back from Thailand, groveling, and he's here. So, Harry, welcome back to the show. Thanks, guys. You're a pair of morons, but thank you anyway. Well, he's off again.

Yep. That's it. There's not many podcasts that it takes them 11 days of the year before they get their full line-up back in check. But it's, you know, that's how we roll here. I missed you guys. That's nice. We batch recorded our last three podcasts. It's been quite a while since I've done one of these.

It feels weird. I'm happy to be back. I would say you might be, you know, out of rhythm, but you were never really in rhythm to be. in with. That's true. All the meaning of rhythm is, Ben, so... Fences don't have a lot of rhythm.

Exactly. Exactly. What do you have for dinner, mate? Do you know what? I'm not even having me. That's tragedy, isn't it? I don't even know what I'm going to have. What did you have for dinner, Sam?

Because I heard last week, you didn't have a pizza. I know. I had fish cakes last week. I've made up for it this week. I've only had a pizza. Oh, it's knocked out of the park. As's pizza. It was delightful.

Really good time. She's his stuff. I've crossed. Have I had a good time? Ben, would you have? Pesto pasta, mate. Oh, it's a classic Ben choice.

It's all over it. Love a Pesto Pasta. Harry, just out of interest in the last seven days, have you learned how to spell resolution? Redolutions. Redolutions? Thank you for your redolutions last week. I know I submitted that wrong.

We can't breeze past the most important news, though. What? The fire alarm started beeping again. Of course it has. In the Hall of Fame That makes a big return to the stage So if you hear the beeping folks It'll be like a little throwback

To when it used to do that But There it is Oh my Oh my Pipe down Fire alarm Pipe down

Don't you worry The batteries on the way I've ordered another one Because obviously no shop in London Does batteries What's the point in living in the capital of a nation If you can't buy a fire alarm battery It's the state of the UK

It's the state of the UK It's the UK It's the saffron of London. God, that is a strange, strange. I couldn't think of anything else as like really rare. Shall we talk about Formula One? Oh, go on then.

What's that? Brum, bro, beep, beep. Normally in the middle of January, we've got nothing to talk about and it's a bit of a love-hate relationship at the moment because we've got Andretti Cadillac to discuss. The love comes in that, again, we don't usually have much to talk about this time of year,

and Andretti have stepped up. So thank you for that. But the downside is you can't make announcements on Thursdays. I know you're new to this Andretti Cadillac, but... Rule number one. Exactly. So we're getting to it eventually. That'll be the lead topic today.

We're also discussing Sergio Perez and what he could be doing in 2023 in terms of a potential search for the title. Is that out of the question? Sorry. I can't wait to get Sam on that one. And good to Steiner thinks that Hassel will be better in 23 compared to 22. Is he right? Again, I'm sure Sam will love that one. But we'll start with... Nice.

Andretti and Cadillac, because since our last recording, Mohammed Ben Salim essentially said, roll up, roll up, looking for teams, Andretti and General Motors... Jetty teams. Go for a penny for a shot, fans. So essentially, he did do that, probably paraphrasing a little bit. And Andretti Cadillac said, yeah, all right,

we'll give it a crack if you want, mate. We'll take your offer. Yeah, cool then. Sam, what's your thoughts on Mohamed Ben Silliam's response to comments regarding? Because he said he's surprised at the adverse reaction of the teams. What's your reaction to his reaction? Ben Silliam just likes to conduct all his professional business on Twitter, apparently. Hello, Twitter.

We're looking for new teams. Hello, Twitter. I'm surprised that the current team's reaction to the prospect of new teams. I think he's quite naive if he's. thought that all the teams were going to skip around in glee around the May pole, chanting the name of the new team that was entering Formula One. But equally, I do think that Formula One teams who are currently on the grid need to butt out, shut up and go away, get on with your job, and welcome new competition into the sport.

I think he has every right to go, oh, I'm quite surprised that people are against, Fireland, hello, are against coming into the sport. At the end of the day, it shouldn't be up to the current teams. It should be up to the governing body to work out, are they financially viable? Do they bring something to the sport that we know and love currently? And are they going to be a worthy addition? And if I'm any team on the grid, it's not, and Ben has already pretext this show off air saying that we're going to talk about the budget issue. So I'll get on to that in a minute.

But if I'm any team on that grid and I go, oh, new team coming in. Well, I want to beat them. I want to be the best. Regardless of who I'm racing, I welcome competition. I want to beat them. but as we've seen from their reaction, very much not the case. Now, I am hoping that Ben Siliyem is deciding to overrule that,

try and be a bit forcible, forcible, forcibly political. I don't know what the word is. I don't know. Forcible, forcibly political. We know how I got Flandau along, so it was a name wrong last week. Fanonzo, not Fianso. And now we've said this incorrectly.

It's the start of the year. It's going well. My point being, I'm hoping that he maybe steps in uses a bit of that political muscle to override what's going on and tell the teams basically to pipe down, shut up and get all of your lives

because we want Andretti Kagalak. We want new teams and we went through a few teams recently about who would be welcoming the sport. They would be backmarked as I don't think. They've got the financial backing. They've got the thoroughbred race team. You know, they understand success. And, you know, General Motors, Kagalak,

they know how to put something together. They know how to make cars. they know commercially what they're doing. They will bring so much revenue into the sport. Again, we'll get onto more in a little bit. But it's a very, very wise choice. It's a new partner to come into Formula One. They're just, the current teams are a bit scared of the finances,

which I think is a bit pathetic. And again, we'll get onto it after the boys have spoken to. So there's my thoughts. I want Mr. Suleem to crack down, hard action, you know, like Chief Wiggum, Gagam, boys. That's what I want him to do. Your aspiration, Ben Sillium, is to act like

Chief Wiggum. I would argue that's already the case. Hey. Clax is a good guy. Clix is a good guy. In the world. Shoots his gun as he's eating a donut. Clemsy.

Oh, so Ralph's adorable. If someone could bring Ralph. My cat's not like. Cag food. Right. It's enough of that. Harry, your triumphant return to the podcast, are you going to sit on the fence and say that you don't mind if this happens or not?

No, I would like this to happen a lot. Dying. Just dying in the corner. Sorry, this Clancy that got me. Yeah. More teams on the grid. Better. And I've thought this for a long time.

It was, obviously didn't work back in 2010 when we had this three new teams, but the grid. HR 2 is still going to strong. What are you talking about? Oh, they're smashing it. Healthy racing team it means. All right.

But the grid looked great when it was much more full. And now, yeah, you know, it's a good, good bunch of teams. And I don't want to go back to the 2010 issue where we had these three teams where they couldn't compete at all. because it just made them being their pointless, basically. So I want a viable, viable candidate to come along. And Andretti Cadillac is. I mean, Andretti on its own was.

Andretti Cadillac punches even more weight now. So I hope this happens. This whole thing is fascinating because we're, I think we're at the beginning of something that could become much more bigger and controversial between the FIA and F1. because I sense, as do you a lot of people, I reckon, that there's a bit of tension between these two bodies. Not seeing eye to eye on everything,

because obviously Ben Wiggum wants new teams in F1. But does he want them in F1 for the reasons we want them F1, or does he want them in F1 to cheese off? the people that F1, like Stefano de Manichale, unsure. I think maybe the latter because I think he's petty. Petty,

Petty, Ben, we'll call him. I'd love to get to the stage where being petty involves allowing, like, a multi-billion-pound company into a racing series. Like, I can be that successful and rich. That is my version of being petty, rather than just, like, not doing the dishes or something.

You imagine signing the contract with Angelo? Gritty and putting the pen down, turning to Steve Sunday, going, ah, suck it, Stefano, and they're walking out the room. So petty. With his gun and his donuts. Yeah, exactly. I do think that's what we're witnessing here. But, you know, if pettiness gets us an extra team in F1, I'm all for it.

I'm a fan of petty. I'm a fan of petty. So, yeah, I think it's, I hope it happens. but I think we're at the beginning of a fascinating, fascinating time for F1 and the FIA, which, you know, ever since the days of Max Mosley and Bernie Eccleston, has it ever been as harmonious since then? Doesn't mean it was better then,

budger's saying has it ever been as harmonious since those days? Are you saying? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, triple Bs on this occasion. It's getting quoted on the Twitter account. No. Please know, Bernie. God, don't need Bernie. But yeah, anyway.

So I hope it happens, but we'll see. Yeah, I think your almost last point there was spot on in the, and I'd probably go a step further. You think that there is a brewing tension between the FIA and F1. They are on completely different wavelengths with this. I think there is a lot going on under the surface here. And it's important because a lot of the time you forget to distinguish. the FIA and F1.

Because they are so often linked and together in the same opinion, it's very rare that actually they have different and opposing views on something. But it's clear here that there is completely different. I think we need to ask ourselves here, why is Ben Suleem, I was going to say, I was going to say Chief Wing of that. But why is, why is Ben Suleim saying this? Why is he saying this?

And the answer is not it's what he believes. That's not why he's saying this. The FIA, and not just Ben Sullyam, but any real chief member of the FIA, any senior member, traditionally the organisation is incredibly private. Not a lot gets proactively said by leading members of the FIA outside of cheap political wins. It's very rare that anything is actually said. So again, why is he saying this? this. Quite honestly, I think the reason he's saying this is because whilst I think he's right

that the reaction has been adverse, it's not been publicly adverse from the teams. None of the teams have said anything to my knowledge. And I think F1, whilst they haven't necessarily, I think they addressed it, but they literally did just that. They addressed it, but didn't really say anything positive or negative on the matter. So he's come out and said there's been an adverse reaction. really surprised at this. Well, no, there hasn't actually been a public reaction from anyone. He's right. There's definitely been an adverse reaction, but privately, not publicly. So again, why is he

saying this? Well, he's saying this because for the first time in recorded history, the FIA and the people at large are on the same side in an opinion. It's the first time ever where the FIA think something and people also think the same thing. The FIA want Andretti in F1, the people want Andretti in F1. So the FIA, I think in Ben Suleim specifically, they're being quite calculated and shrewd here and they actually realize they've got the advantage. Like, what is the number one thing that they could do that forces pressure onto F1? Public pressure. Like they've got public opinion behind them. Use it, and they are using it.

Ben Sully, the only reason he's coming out and saying this statement is because he can rouse up people like me who will actually go and comment on this sort of thing and find it interesting and want to delve further. There's no, you know, he can say, let's all get around a table to the F1 teams. That ain't going to work. Pressure from millions of fans who want this to happen

and teams stopping it from happening, that could work. So I can understand why Ben Suleim's doing this. He's piling the pressure on. And I think he's being quite clever about it. It's amazing that he's actually a clever man running one of the most wealthy organisations in the globe, isn't it? You think that realistically, you have to take a few of those intelligence boxes. There's a reason why the three of us are doing it.

There is no coincidence here, right? It can't be coincidence that this guy doesn't really use social media to his advantage at all. And then suddenly in the space of like three days he puts out two killer tweets, right? You know what he's doing. Yeah. Yeah, it's a smart play.

Can I just say, though, when he does it, he posts a picture of the text. Of his notes, yeah. Yeah. But in the text, he's adding the people. Yeah. It doesn't work. It doesn't work like that.

It is like teaching Yangang where the camera is on your FaceTime. And she's holding it up to like her ear on FaceTime. It's like, Gran, we can see you. It's like a, you need to put it to your face, not your ear. Anyway, he's getting there. He's saying something and that's a good start. He's getting there.

I mean, poor, but we've been compared him to, to someone's nan and Chief Wiggum, all in one. Hey, Mike Nang is an icon, and Chief Wiggum is an icon. So, Nandum is going the right way to being an icon. Chief Nang. Chief Nanner. New character for, chucky-toggy-try.

Just to add sort of one more kick in at Ben Silliam here because why not we're on the subject. You know those sorts of people where you'll mention like a band or a singer and, oh yeah, I'm a massive fan of those. Yeah, a massive fan of Ed Shear and. Yeah, yeah, a huge fan.

I'm one of his earliest followers, right? Oh, when did you start listening to him? I don't know, pretty about 2018 or something like that. Mohammed Ben Suleum is acting like he's been on this Andretti train for years. Andretti have tried to enter F1 for a long time. They were trying to get involved in the Forcing India deal, right? When they became, when Aston Martin came in. So don't act like you've been stalwarts of Andretti getting into F1 all this time. Suddenly it benefits you and you're, I'm disappointed at these reactions from the teams. You could have made it happen

way before, all right? So let's get that in there. The 200 million fees, Sam, you've already mentioned it. What's your thoughts on the potential that the teams think it isn't enough? Oh, well, so they've signed quite a difficult to access document, as we all know, called the Concord Agreement. And that was only created, well, it was updated rather two years ago. During the COVID period is when they all signed it again, 2020, I believe. So I guess now just into three years ago.

and every team signed it. And it did a lot of things that agreement. You know, it script Ferrari of their legacy payments for simply being Ferrari. It balanced certain payments between certain teams. I think they still get those. I mean, I read on a reputable source that they don't. But hey, I'm not in the agreement. It's up for debate.

You know, we haven't got in front of us. They might get less. I think they'll use it. Yeah. That's a great middle ground. Good, thanks sitting, Harry. Um, thank you. Sorry.

Um, Anyway, and part of this Concord Agreement was, of course, that if a new team were to enter, they would have to submit a $200 million entry fee, which is no small price to pay, and that would then be dispersed across the teams evenly, essentially to create a mitigation of the money they might lose from prize giving in the first couple of years that new team enters, depending on wherever that team actually finishes, of course, they might finish last. Anyway, that's the purpose of it. And now certain teams have come out and said, we might be more comfortable with it

if it was maybe between 600 million to 800. Imagine anything costing you $600 to 800 million just to enter is obscene and ridiculous and ruins Formula One in terms of all form of competition. What do you think that this Andretti team bring? Do you think that they are going to steal all your TV rights and take all your sponsors and leave you sat there without any clothes on your back,

all 10 of you as teams, if they were in human form, naked on the side of the road, hoping that someone will come and give them some charity, they're going to bring so much exposure, so many more sponsors going to turn up. This is going to benefit you for years if you get a giant of racing and motoring generally, which is, of course, General Motors and Kagalak, come into the sport, and yet they can't seem to see the longevity of the financial benefits that a deal like this is going to bring. If it was Sam Sage Racing, has somehow managed to steal $200 million, and it's gone, I'm going to put in an F1 team.

They go, who's this chump? He just shouts about his gang's handbag. Right, rightly so they were to. Right? I understand. They might go, let's bump up the entry fee so we can't afford it. It's a bit different. It's a proven entity.

Yeah, yeah, two for your wife. Whatever the saying is. Two for a penny, three for a pound, for your mortgage. Honestly, it's farcical. and it's awful and it is ruining new entry into the sport and this should be only deciding by the governing body of Formula One or the FIA, it should have no say. They should be simply doing their legal checks,

are they financially viable, and can they bring something beneficial to the sport? And I believe Andretti and Kagai'i do, then they're a perfect fit. And I don't see what problem there is. And if you're Mercedes, your Ferrari, whoever it might be, your attitude should be, we benefit from them being here and we'll beat them.

and will show well we're the best, and that makes us even better financially. That should be your attitude. I think it stinks the way they're dealing with this, and I'm quite gutted that it's their attitude. Not surprised, but disappointed. Harry, I think the teams would probably respond with something along the lines of the agreement was signed in 2020 during, as Sam rightly said, during COVID times, when the overall prize pot was far less than what it is this year and probably will be for following years. do they have a leg to stand on if they were to say

that doesn't represent enough of the pie now versus what he did a few years ago? Shut up, shut up, teams, being ridiculous. Yeah, it's just like a, they're just saying it because, oh, well, well, yeah, it's not enough money. They're not paying enough to be here, so they can't come in. Well, no, just to be stupid. Yeah, I'm with sound with this one.

the fundamental issue is the team shouldn't be allowed to even have a say in this and don't blame him because if you were allowed to do it then you would try and do this and the fault lies again by the FIA or F1

governing body of the sport for letting that happen I don't I don't really understand what the real issues are about this because I saw something either today or this week. Andretti tried last year, well, there were a few things last year

about them joining. One of the races, they tried to get a few signatures together. And the only ones you signed with McLarenow and Alpine. Now, you know, I get some of the, you know, people like Ferrari, whatever, there's a, you know, status to Formula One, blah, blah, blah, blah.

But I was like, Haas, you have been around since 2016. Like, why are you against because you're brand new. That's a team you might be. Well, a fellow American rival, maybe that's why. But I'm just like, you haven't been around for years and years and years. You're only there because you were a brand new entry as of 2016.

They've not been around for long. And they were a brand new team. They weren't buying anyone out. So I was just like, yeah, some teams I can make a slight case for. terms of why they wouldn't want Andretti there, but people like, Haas, like, come on. Anyway, yeah, I'd only go. I think they're just making up excuses now to not allow them in. But the real issue here is that they shouldn't be allowed to do that in the first place.

It should be any sort of mechanism that means that the teams in F on can stop other teams coming in. It's like, yeah, it's a sport. You should just go by the rules that are set out. by the governing body. We've had this discussion before around rules, around the technical direction, around the sport, because the teams have too much saying that too.

So it's just a bit of a mess, isn't it? It is. And I personally don't have any issue with what the teams are doing here. I haven't got an issue with them turning this down whatsoever. Because, yeah, we could discuss whether it would be a good move or a bad move for the teams. they would lose that revenue initially, would they get that back in the next year or two

because of that new entry unknown? You could argue it short-sighted that this is actually a good thing for them. I would listen to that and I'd probably agree with it. But I've got no problem with the teams saying like it's not right for us and we want to play it safe and we want to protect our interests. Like you've rightly pointed out, my problem is they shouldn't have the opportunity to do that. This should not lie with them in any way whatsoever. And I've got no sympathy for them. They put together that $200 million. I appreciate it was in COVID times. If they think that number should be higher, then they can sign a new agreement, but I think it's dealing in bad faith considering there's a move in the midst here, right? I think it would be

better for F1, and I think it would therefore be better for the teams for this entry to happen. If they disagree with that, that's okay. But again, I don't think that they should have, they shouldn't have to say in the first place. And it's what it is, it's incredibly rich. It's incredibly rich because you reference Harry what they were doing last year, Andresi, trying to get those signatures, trying to get this to happen. And essentially the response was, no, we don't want you here. You're not bringing enough. You're not bringing the manufacturer with you.

You're not bringing another big name in motoring. with you. Can't happen. Andretti turned up. All right. Here's Cadillac. They're pretty big. They're pretty big in America. How's about that? Yeah. Still no. Honestly, it feels like the teams are moving goalposts. They have no right to move in the first place. It should be nothing to do with them. It is. And I think that really needs to be changed. What is the difference between Andretti coming in with Kaganelak and Williams or Haas being there and going, oh, Ferrari, I need to buy your engine.

Oh, Williams, can the say he's buy your engine? What if Andretti turn around to go, Ferrari can we buy the Ferrari engines instead? Do they suddenly get a pass into the sport because it financially benefits Ferrari? Like, is that the difference? They brought their own manufacturing. So actually, that doesn't financially benefit us. the table as well as in the final standings. Is that the difference?

Because it's a very, very poor rule in their minds, if that's the case. Well, I think, you know, it would benefit Ferrari, but it wouldn't necessarily benefit anyone else. And I'm assuming, you know, with Hass when they came in, there was considerable instability with Manor and caterer them at the time that if they're going to go under, you want a team to make up the numbers and someone with a bit more stability about them and obviously they hooked up with DeLara. Potentially that's why that was more supported.

And there isn't any team right now of the 10 that are like on the brink of obviously we know Williams are struggling a little bit in terms of finding someone to run their F1 team. You might want to get on that by the way. Let us know. Yeah. We're here. Season's not far away, lads.

We could do some contact about it. You'll get free advertisement. Go team boss. But largely speaking, the grid's pretty stable at the moment, which is maybe why there's less support for this now than there was for Huss six or seven years ago. It's just such a bizarre scenario. It'll be like we're going to do a British reference here.

It'd be like watching the Premier League and a team goes, oh, we've won the championship, the second league, the second division. We're getting promoted into the top league. And then, you know, all 20 of the current top league teams going, nah, you're not allowed to come up to this league. You're like, no, hang on. It's been the rules for everyone else, and that's fine.

But for us, we're not allowed to do it. It doesn't make any sense. It's a, stop being grumpy boys, you know, but, you know, put that stiffer up a lipping, get on with your bloody day jobs, win some races, please. Half of them, you can't even win races anyway. So it doesn't matter if they're coming. Franchise model, that's how it works. We'll take a pause here, and we'll be on the other side talking about Sergio Perez

and whether he can mount a 2023 title charge. All right. I'm going to Sam on this one first because I want a good laugh. Sergio Perez, he's setting his sights on the 20203 title. He thinks in a recent interview that he is currently operating pretty much at his best. We saw him have a pretty good start to 2022, but unfortunately for him, his title challenge faded mid-season. He did claim a few podiums and a win towards the end of the year,

but certainly it was the middle of the year in 22 that seemed to cost him the most. Sam, obviously, well, you can say for yourself, but I'm pretty sure your opinion is that this isn't going to happen for him. But what is possible for Perez in 23? Yeah, you're saying you're going to laugh. That's exactly what I got when I read the statement on Twitter. it was a good approach at comedy from Sergio. Sergio is, you know, in the top 1% of drivers worldwide.

Let's not laugh at his actual talent. He is a phenomenal racing driver. Brilliant behind the wheel, has some exceptional talents and can really pull incredible results from cars that are often mediocre, midfield, you know, not meant for top running. As we saw that victory that he picked up in Bahrain, where he went from the back of the grid to the front of the grid,

remember in the bloody racing point, it was phenomenal. He has some spectacular performances. but it only takes you to look at the last season to show that he thinks he's operating at his absolute best and that his title challenge might have faded. Mate, you are so far away from the points that he required that it took you until the final race of the season to wait for it, not beat the driver from the other team

that had so many technical issues, strategy problems, their Ferrari, you know, and you still didn't really manage that. You couldn't even grasp the one, two, when your teammate was knocking up, what, 140 points in the league, something like that. I value Sergio Perez in our sport highly, massively. He's a great asset to F1, and I'm so happy he's skilled racing with us and didn't get kicked out of the sport after the racing point incident where he was out of the seat. He's a great second driver for a top team, and he brought home the Constructors' Championship for Red Bull. brilliant stuff. But his ceiling is far below the likes of Max Verstappen, Lewis Hamilton,

Charles LeClerc, and I feel like if you put him up against any of those drivers, you know, Landon Morris even, you know, George Russell, I don't think Perez Manx a title challenge. I do not think he's capable of being on that top step or fighting until the last lap for that top step every single race for a whole season straight. The only time he's won is often. and when there's been a failure in Vastappen's car or some bizarre circumstances that's like him to take victory.

The only way I think he wings a championship, this is the only way I think he does it, is if one, Red Bull, build an absolute monster of a car, right, that's part one of this, essentially what they did in 2022. And then part two, he executes plan Nico Rosberg, where he tries to become like a little brainworm inside of Max Vastappen to destroy any form of, confidence, continuity, comfortability in that car that he can

and get under his skin in every single asset possible. You know, there are stories of joking stories, I don't know, of Nico Rosberg cooking baking outside Lewis Hamilton's motorhome to try and wind him up.

That's the level of in your head he needs to be to avoid Max Wastappan. And Max Wastappen, quite honestly, is an absolute weapon when it comes to mind games. The bloke is not faced by anything

you know, even when he realized he, you know, in Japan, remember when they said, you've won the world's title. We got out the guy like, don't think I have, mate. Anyway, we're doing next week, not a problem. The guy's not phased. He's not phased by anything. So, Sergio Perez, now what ministry of defense has got to go to the ministry of mind attack

and do something absolutely special. I'm sorry, Sergio, love you dearly. You're a real asset to Formula One, but you're not going to win this title. Love the mental positivity and try and push yourself up, which is great. Leskis be slightly more realistic with our goals. That's okay.

I've got realistic goals. Go out of the house once a day. You know, eat more fruit. All things that are achievable. Sergio Perez, winning the world title for the Drivers' Championship, that's more like me becoming an astronaut. Not really going to happen. Please don't have that happen.

Although NASA, if you aren't listening, it could be fun. Great content. Great podcast content. This week's sound. Sam goes to space. Let's do it. Let's do it. Why not?

22 views. What's your thoughts on the ceiling for Perez's season? Is it as leaky as Sam's? It's been repaired now. Cheers, Keith. That's very rude. Yeah, cheers Keith. Yeah, I think the issue for Checo is that

his teammates and actually that's a good point that yeah he's realized that one he's bought the fire there yeah yeah

good at the F1 yeah good at the F1 and I know Sam mentioned Nika Rosberg there which is quite a good example but the problem

for Checo is I think he could even if he played as many mind games as Nika Rosberg did he doesn't have the consistency that Nika Rosberg

had against Lewis Hamilton. And let's be honest, that still wasn't enough for Rosberg to beat Hamilton on most occasions. So it's a very similar situation in that sense, but I just don't think Checo has that. I think he could have a season next year

that's, I don't know, 50% better than the one he had last year and it just wouldn't be enough to beat Vastappen, not the current form that Vastappen's in. So it might take some outside. To be honest, it might be better for Checo if there are more teams involved, more cars involved in a title fight. If you get Ferrari involved properly, maybe, if that's possible, also Mercedes, when they're taking points off each other, we saw this. You know, back in 2007.

Well, exactly. Yeah, fire amongst yourselves and I'll nab it at the last race, stiley. So, and yeah, we saw it in like 2010 when there's, you know, five drivers involved there, when they're nipping. points off each other, it keeps them more open. So maybe that's what Chequish has hoped. But if it's going to be a straight-up fight between him and Vastappen, or even the likes of him versus Hamilton,

again, why wouldn't Vastappen be in that scenario is my point there. So, yeah, admire the optimism from Sergio. And I'd love for him to surprise us and have an absolutely blinding year, but I just, yeah, like you say, the ceiling, he could definitely reach a higher peak than he's at,

but I just don't think that that peak's enough. So, sorry, Sergio. I do like you. In terms of ceilings, Mastafers is like the Burge Caliphah, right? Oh, here we go. And Chequess is like...

Ozzabal. Yeah, like a wet... That's so insulting, I'm joking. He isn't going to be insulting because he's not going to have a clue what Ozzabole is. No one goes, what Ozzanah is. So our local bowling alley when we lived there. Yeah. But I mean, yeah, I mean, Perez is like a block of flats, you know, it's like, it's higher than most people can get. Don't get me wrong. Still pretty tall. But it's a long way to go before you're Burge Khalifa.

I think the main problem with what Sergio Perez is saying here is that he's saying two things and only one of them can be true in that he's pushing for a title in 2023. That's great. And he's also saying he's operating it near his best. Well, if you're operating at near your best, you're not going to win a title. Now, you could say one or the other. You could say, I'm pushing for the title next year. Why? Well, I wasn't very good in 22 and I know I can do 100 times better. Okay, that makes sense. Or you could say, I'm pretty much operating at my best, which means, let's face it,

I probably can't win a title. That makes sense. It doesn't make sense to say that you're pretty much operating at your best, which is 150 points behind your team, mate, and I can win a title. All joking aside, I completely understand and agree with Perez saying this, because the second you lose that self-worth, the second you lose that either feeling that you are the best driver in the world is the day you might as well retire. So I completely understand why he's saying this.

every single driver on that F1 grid has that internal belief that if everything is right on the day for them, no one can beat them. And I fair play to all of them. That's what you should have. But realistically speaking, it isn't going to happen. And I understand what you're saying, Sam, in terms of the Rosberg theory here. I actually have a two-step plan that Perez can win the title, just like you do. Step one is exactly the same in that Red Bull build a dominant car. But step two for me is Vestappen gets disqualified from the season for some reason. I don't see a situation where he could do a Rosberg. He's very good at, Perez is good at the F1. Vestappen's a bit better than good at the F1 is the reality of it. And great at the F1. Yes, I might stretch to great for Vestappen.

If you look at Rosberg and Rosberg's strategy that you've already sort of laid out, In 2013, Rosberg, I think, was 18 points away from beating Hamilton as teammates. 2014, it was 67 points. 2015 was 59 points. So he was, you know, those second two years weren't like nail biters, although I guess technically 2014 was like to double points. But, you know. I forgot about that.

Yeah, I know, right? So I guess he was still in touching distance. he was never 150 points behind his team, mate. So I think saying Perez can do the same thing as Rosas, I can't see it happening. But certainly, I think a runner-up spot can happen, and probably should have happened in 2022. So that can happen if Red Bull have the car.

And I wouldn't say he's operating at his best. I would disagree with that statement personally. I think he was probably at his best in the back end of the 2020 season, is in his last season for racing point. That year was phenomenal. but certainly, yeah, he can be what Red Bull need him to be. And I have no problem with having the confidence that he can mount on charge.

And I'd be more disappointed in him if he said something that I believe to be wrong, but the truth, if that makes sense. Yeah, you've got to have that confidence. You've got to back yourself. If you don't back yourself, why should anyone else ever bother backing you, right? Especially in a sport. Sport, you need to believe that you are the best. But if last year's performance isn't anything to go by,

you've got a long way to be to even get close to being the champion. So it's a big step up, my friend. And good news for you, Sergio. When we come back after this break, we're going to be talking about two drivers that you will almost definitely be beating this season. We're going to be talking about Hasse and whether they can improve on 2022.

HASS. Don't talk to me about Georgie Russ. Oh, I miss you, Liglapha, too. Okay, welcome back. Hasse. They made inroads, let's say, in 2022. 2021 was a complete write-off. 2022, they were far more successful, but still a midfield team, taking occasional points here and there. Oh, and the odd pole position when Brazil comes around.

But outside of that, it was a fairly middle-of-the-road season for Hasse. Gunter-Siner has said that he believes that Hasse will be even better in 2023 than they were in 2022. Harry, is he right? well for their sake i hope so because they were oh just very okay in uh 2022 um i mean yeah i don't know they they've not they've not had a great season for for a while probably what was their last good good season 2018 when they finished fifth when they probably should have finished four really yeah um so Yeah, maybe

maybe Gunther's feeling the pressure, I don't know. I think Hasn needed a decent year this year because last year didn't, for what they did, and we're saying about this already, but for what they did in 2021, which was, you know, admirable their tactics there, sacrifice an entire year, make 2020 good. I wasn't expecting Hass to start winning races,

but, you know, you look at, you look at, the brawn story where Honda you know, yes they were producing bad cars but basically they produced a bad car in 07, 08, they just didn't bother basically for 09 and obviously that became brawn but that paid off in it

in an extreme style but you know, that's what you're kind of thinking of when Hasse said they were doing the same thing I'd expect them to be, I thought they might have another 2018 year in 2022. Everyone following this? Yes. Anyway,

Shockingly, but they didn't. So, you know, pressure's on now because that year, you could say, has almost been wasted, you know, hanging out of the back of the grid in 2021. They don't have those drivers that they had in 2021 as well, whether that's right or wrong. And now they've got a, we've spoken about the driver line up, I won't go there. But anyway, they've got an experienced driver line up. They've got to hope the car is better. if the car is better

you know Holkenberg and Magnuson I trust them just about enough to bring home some solid points on a race day but yeah nothing last year led me to believe that this year will be any different

but for their sake I hope it is yeah I think overall in terms of the in terms of the line-up just to quickly mention that because I'm sure we'll have an episode coming up in the next month or so that looks at the rankings of the teams and their driver lineups and where we think they are overall.

But I think you could, if your Hasse, honestly say, with the line up, it's stronger than last year. It might be a short term view, but it's better than last year. And I don't think you could say anyone outside of the top three teams definitively has a better lineup than you. You could definitely make a case and say Alpine or Aston Martin. or McLaren, they might have a better line-up than Hass, but I think you could also argue the opposite for all three of those. It'd be touch and go. I probably would say that of those four, I'd put Hass last.

But the point is, those other three, I don't think you can say bar gone from where they are. You could say it, but you're an idiot if you do. It's what Ben just said. No. That is arguing with himself throughout this whole point. It's brilliant. I'm not. Me and some are going to go,

but he's going to argue himself. If you were to say that Hasse have a better line up than Ferrari, I'd call you an idiot. If you said that Alpine have a better lineup than Hass, I wouldn't call you an idiot. I would say, I don't think you're right, but I think you could make the case. And I think you could also make the case for McLaren,

because you've got a driver there that you don't know what you've got yet. And I think you can make the case for Aston Martin because I would put Holkenberg and Magnuson clear of Landstrol. So again, you could make arguments. So I think line-up-wise, they're all right. The problem is they need to learn how to develop their car during the season. Because if you go back to Bahrain of last year, where Magnuson has a fantastic finish, coming out of that race where McLaren would last almost and Astor Martin weren't doing a great deal

and neither were Alpine. Coming out of Bahrain, there was, you know, is this a fourth place team? Is this a fifth place team? It was all the cards on that early point in the year. But they just don't develop their car

throughout the year. They just lose pace to everyone. That's going to be the key. If they want a better 2023, they have to be as good at the end of the season as they are at the beginning relative to the other teams around them. And, yeah, outside.

And they need to be more consistent. You're right. because they'll have odd weekends where they're really good, like Austria and Bahrain, and then they'll just go like eight races without scoring. So they absolutely need to address that as well. Do you think that 23 would be better than 22, sir? Well, Harry summed it up in one go.

I should bloody hope so. Honestly, what is the point in Haas? They are point last, essentially. That is the worst joke I've ever made. Do you the drums, Ben? Oh, hang on. Oh, yeah, this is one of the things that the sour board

hasn't actually got rid of, so, you know. I'm fuming about that. I didn't realize that. Are you ready, folks? Here we go. What's the pointing hars? They are essentially point last.

Overrated. No, that's the one thing. They're playing my jingle. He's done you. You're setting for a bag of chips. I can't tell who's been mucked off. I'm on podcasting. this bloody podcast.

That was actually intentional, but I will give you a... There you go. Oh, it's the worst bit to ever grace this podcast. Anyway, my point is here, ironically, what is the point in Haas?

They've been off the whole year of racing and brought nothing. You'd be Al-Towery by two points. Both of those teams serve no real racing purpose in the world of Formula One at the moment. At least Al-Tauri are building drivers, for a future team to maybe go on and take world titles.

You're goddamn right, Yuki-Singoda. Yes, sir, thank you very much. Three banks full. But pass. What are you doing? Not only if you got rid of, you know, a future possible talent in Mick Schooner. I'm not saying he set the world alike the last two years.

It wasn't anything special. I, you know, slated him as much as the next person. But you're bringing Nico Holgerberg, who was once a great hand at racing. He's not got in a car consistently, in a Formula One field for what three seasons maybe? So, you know, it's going to take him some time to get up to speak. And KMAG is an absolute box office sensation.

You never know what you're going to get with him. Sometimes you get pole position. Sometimes he wipes out four people in one corner. You just don't know. So on track, it's a bit of a disaster. Off track, you're the most boring team to have ever existed. You come out of the land of the free and the home of the brave, or you be brave and come up with a bloody marketing strategy

you bring in some bloody money and get some good sponsorship. It's a money gram. What the hell is money grand? It is a disaster. It is a disaster. Heart disaster. Oh, come on.

You're a joke. Gunter. You're the most overrated team boss and the only thing you do for is banter on drive to survive. You need to do more than this. I have had enough of being nice to hearse. Do something on the bloody track.

You know, that poll in Brazil ain't saving. your sunshine i've got my eyes on you and i do not want another bloody eighth or night place where you might be williams who honestly they ain't got a clue what's going on maybe it's got legacy to ride on so at least they've got something you sunshine you're six years old what do i say the six year olds go back to school holidays over i probably stay away from six year olds so yeah i live next to a school luckily i've not got anything going on good well sam's really riled up so what could we possibly do on the side of the break to cause him to calm down. We'll play an infuriating game that he's sure to get annoyed at right after this.

Woo! All right, folks, I say a game, which is pretty vague, because, well, it is a pretty vague concept. During this winter break, I have, I was going to say, I'm quite a sad person. You're fairly aware of that already, both of you and everyone listening. I've gone back through the archives of the late breaking podcast, looking at some of our games that we've played looking at some of these submissions that we've done for race reviews and i've put together some questions that i'm going to test sam and harry on here

what is that noise mate thank you sam is it key i'm not using the blender it's so loud it's the blender a whole floor away i'm so glad it's not me with the house old appliance for once as if this home with the house hung appliances mate i'm embarrassed un mortified She bled in bricks. Apparently, Ian's gone. All of favour's dead. Oh gosh.

She's only been All the favour for two weeks and she's gone. That's why. The rest of the house I go jealous. All right. There was a point in all that. Anyway, I've got ten questions in front of me. There's some random ones here. Some of them are multiple choice.

There's a higher or lower one in there. There's a bit of everything in this quiz. All right. This is going to be a bit mental. You've got a jingle. No. Got to make a time for jingles. No.

Harry, can you pick a number between 1 and 10? Seven, please. That's very not you. I'm worried about what Thailand's done for you. These resolutions, yeah. Okay, so 50-50 this. Oh, yes! Oh, damn it.

Across all games that we've... ever played on the podcast, who has the better record, you or Sam? Zero, zero. I mean, this could... I know where I'm swinging. I'll be wrong.

I go, Sam. It's very modest of you, and it's got you zero points. Well done. Oh, no. It is you, Harry. I won't provide any more context of that because there are other questions that are around the games that might

give away an answer but um okay you have one more than sam has oh i suck at all knowledge yeah imagine the irony being that sounds wins this by one point fully aware of that all right nil nil that seems appropriate sam what number do you want uh 10 please ben oh number 10 this one is a 33 33 33 Any percentages, I should not be near. The answer is one of us three. Out of the three of us, who has given Max Verstappen the most driver of the days? This is literally a shot in the dark, in it?

I could run into a wall, and the answer can be imprinting on my head. Where's the bias? And I still have no idea. Yeah. I'm going to say that it is Ben, who said it. and it's a good answer. Yes, 2023 is my year!

I'm sure. Sam is the most British biased because he's only given him 11 times, but then it's really close between myself and Harry. Harry's given it to Vastappan 15 times,

I've given it to him 16 times. Oh, I need to catch up. Yeah, I just realised it was a 33, 33, 33 about Max Verstappen. Ooh, didn't even think about that. You should have claimed that. I would have. What number do you want next, Harry?

Two, please. Number two. Who gave Brendan Hartley worst driver of the day at the 2018 Belgian Grand Prix, which was our first ever race review podcast? At the 2018?

I'm going to go with it? Oh yeah, because we did six episodes. And I'd stop. Ignore it. Ingore it. We never did them. What we did for the point of this question. Who, well, it wasn't me, can't have been me, because I loved Bremen Hartley.

Did you see Bottas and Brendan Harley were hanging out over Christmas? He was in New Zealand, didn't he? Yeah, that's brilliant. Leave Brenda alone. Oh, Ben. Yeah, it was me. Sorry about that, Brennan. You're an idiot, that's why.

Yeah. Makes sense. Next number, so. Um, I go for number five. Number five. Okay, we've played order please six times. It feels so many more. Good Lord.

How many wins do you have some? What, of the overall game? As in like, how many times have you beat and Harry the overall game? Out of those six times, how many times have you won? Have I got to give an exact number? It can't I just say more than half or less than half. So one in six chance again. Yeah, that's a huge odds.

I'm going to say I've beaten Harry four times. Four out of the six times you've won, Order, please. It's happened. You know, I'm backing myself, I'm necessarily here. But yes, four out of six. No, you're really bad at Order, please. Is it one? I have a meeting it?

I think that might have been the last time we actually played it. So, yeah. Huge. I'm stepping up in the world. All right. We stay at one all. Harry. Number four.

Number four. Okay, so Valtry Bottas has the most worst driver of the day's submissions. Who has the second. The second most worst driver of today's submissions. Vouchy Bottas has got the most worst driver of the... Sorry, Walter, that seems overly harsh. Who has the second? You get three options on this.

Oh, right. Would you like Nicholas Latifi, Sebastian Vettel or Yuki Sonoda? Oh, I'm going to go with this. It's got to be Latifi. Latifi? Would you have got Latifi, Sam? Oh, 100%, which means that Harry's going to be wrong.

Well, you can be wrong together. Latifi has the least of those three. Latifi has 14, worst driver of the day submissions. Vettel has 18 and Yuki Sonona has the most at 19. Seppu Vett. Sorry, mate. I reckon Latifie gets away with the whole. He was already rubbish, so I'm going on.

We expected nothing. He got a fair amount obviously in 22, but he didn't actually really get any in 2020 or 2020. he was given the benefit of the doubt because either Mazapin was there or someone more high profile did something. So yeah. Yeah. Back to you, Sam. What number?

Number eight, please. Number eight. Who has the most back and forth wins, you or Harry? Oh, come on. This is the worst game out of all of the games you've ever played Bing. I hate this game. lad. I'm going to say me.

Backing myself again. I've got more back and forth. I think you're better at back and forth. I'm all right at back and forth. It's the one game I'm okay at. Yeah. Yeah, you're pretty good at back and forth. You've actually, you've pretty much got double the wins of Harry on that one.

Double. Yeah. Harry, come on, man. You've got 17 back and forth wins. And Harry's only got... How many times have we played it? Harry's only... Christ. Harry's only got nine.

Which? 28. 56 times. That doesn't include the one... I mean, I've played it a few times, but Sam's done a couple as well. We've played back and forth a lot. I've done 30 probably.

Get that jingle on, baby. It is top tier. That stat really proves two things. Firstly, Sam is very good at back and forth. Secondly, Sam is terrible at every game that isn't back and forth. Just don't give me any for multiple choices. It's one category.

Just one category. Or give you a game on games because you're winning 2-1 now. Harry, what number do you want? Oh, shocking. What's left? You can have 3, 6 or 9. What about 1 or 2?

Who went first? You went first? You are right? Yeah, I had number 7. This is why, Harry, you go 1 to start out with. You are the order in this. I did number 2 as well. Oh, no.

No one's that question number 1? Yeah, number 1 is there as well. 1, 3, 6 or 9? Add number one then, please. All right. Valtry Bottas, as we've already alluded to, has the most worst driver of the day submissions.

How many times has Sam given Bottas worst driver of the day? All of them. How many can you give us a total figure? That's surely not going to give away the answer. That is a good point. I should have written that. Hang on a minute. I will get that.

It's interesting to how many times we go to him. I mean, Harry, you can scale out to this time period. Bottas has a grand total of 26 worst driver in the day's submissions. How many of those came from Sam? It's out of love, though. That's the thing. It was 26, do you say? 26 total between the three of us.

I think 22. That makes you seem better, Sam, actually. It's 14. Apparently I love Walter. I've only given it to him three times. It's out of love. I do it because I have so much faith in him and I'm so upset when he doesn't perform.

You've only given to him three times, so there's four. I've got it to be loads. You are on nine. 14, nine, three. All right. Back to you, Sam. Three, six or nine?

Three to six, nine. That was, that's getting low, in it? Yeah, because it is. What a great song. To the window to the wall. Throw it to the club. I'm going to have number three, please.

You can have number three till sweat. No, I'm not going to do it. No, no. Number three. So most driver of the day submissions, Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen are one and two. Probably not a huge surprise there. Out of interest, Max Verstappen has 42 between the three of us.

and Hamilton has 29. It's a random one for them. But who has the third most? Is it? Lando Norris? Sergio Perez or Charles LeClair? I'm going big Lando. It's pretty close between the three of them.

It's actually Charles LeClair. LeClair has had 19. Lando has at 18 and Perez has had 16. Wow. I'm wrong again. That's all right. You're still winning 2-1. Say that changed in the last two questions. What number do you want, Harry?

What's left? Six or nine. Hey, nice. God's sake. Oh, good, number six, please. Telegraph, your immaturity before it happens. Of these four drivers, who has the most driver of the day submissions? Valtry Bottas, Estaband O'Con.

Kimmy Reichenen or Romand Grojeon. Oh, this is a tough layout. Romain Grosion? Romaine G. Romie G, man. Blimey. Most driver of the day submissions. Spot ass Ocon, Reikinen, Grojanon.

I don't think of you Reichenen. Don't be any of them. I mean, Ockon wasn't there for a year. It's great luckic. Reichen has not been there for a year, also. Great logic again. How long has Roby Jean got being it?

Also a year. It cannot be Bottas. It cannot be Bottas. Oh, I'm going to go Bottas. Nah. So, Grojan never received a driver of the day submission for many of us. Deservantly so. Botas received one driver of the day submission.

And I will double-check this. It came from Sam Sage. See? I knew what I love them. You'd give him the most worst driver of the day, and the most driver of the day. What's that way? Love, I love it.

Do you remember the Turkish Grand Prix a few years ago where he was just dominant? Really randomly. Yeah, that was in the rain. Yeah, that was when he got driver of the day from Sam. Yeah, fair. I mean, fair. It was so good.

Reichen. At one time. Rikinen has had three Driver of the Day submissions. I bet they're all from you. I think they're all from Harry. That actually makes a lot of sense. Yeah, they're all from Harry. I knew I haven't done it.

Fair deuce. I can't remember where. I think you might have given it to him for that Portuguese Grand Prix, maybe one of them, but I don't know the other two. Yeah, we take a switchback. You love you. Crazy switchback. I mean, there's an entire point where he's just in seventh place

for no, like, shouldn't. be there. But Ocon has had driver of the day four times. I think a couple of those came as a result of his win. Makes sense. Yeah. Sam, what number would you like? He's preempting the joke.

I'll have another guy, please, Ben. Good call. This is my favourite question, actually. Which of these has received a worst driver of the day submission? Dave Benson Phillips Yeah Brexit beef Yeah

A sandwich Or Sam Sage One of those four Has been given Worst Driver of the Day Which one is it? It's between me and Dave I'm going me

I'll go Sam Save is the worst driver of the day The race wasn't that long ago. It was actually the Japanese Grand Prix, of course, from 2022, where it was completely flooded. And I had the opinion that everyone did an all right job. And I didn't have a worst driver of the day, to which Sam said, you can't do that, that stupid. It's the rules where you need a worse driver of the day. To which I said, fine, it's you. Which means, Sam, you have won the quiz of quizzes. Oh, yes. The quiz. of quizzes. Give me a crown someone.

Or it's a trophy. Oh, man. I'm glad I went through the archives for that. Great stuff. How many episodes was it that you went through? Over two hungry, isn't it? 247? Well, this is 248.

Actually, it's more than that because we've done a few bonus ones as well. Oh, yeah, I didn't bother with those. They don't help. Don't care about them. I think that just leaves us with question of the week. If you wouldn't mind introducing it, Sam. I'll be question of the week. I missed your harmonising.

Question of the week, this time out. We put this out on Instagram and Twitter, as per usual, usually about a Monday evening or so. The question this week was, when, of course, we do end up having a book, what will the title of our book be? any good ones out there the great shatsby

I'm not read through this yet the great shacksby's amazing um digusky britt wrote to kill a microwave which I thought was also really honestly dynasty brit pulls out of the bag pretty much every time

with these questions of the weeks of missions I think it was dynasty Brit who did the great shacksby as well yeah I absolutely loved that um there was one that was like of the event of Stapman, Gammon Boy and Sam, which I thought was great, so true.

Getting sent for a bag of chips, a total British bias. That's so us. I mean, there's one that got a huge amount of love on Instagram, and rightly so, which was, when the roof leaks, the microwave beeps, the LBP story. That was from NY2AZ2CO. That's great. That's sensational.

Greg on Twitter of throat. about to Hall of Fame and Brexit beef and just gone with Okay, bye! Which I think is a great book title. No one we're having to go out as buy us. Maybe they might buy it, really underrated one.

This one probably made me chuckle more than any of these. It came in from Ryan Matthew 85, which was Better Never Than Late. Nice. That got a good chuckle out of me that one. Good words playing. Good word playing.

Perseverance in the midst of insanity, the story of Ian and Keith. I love the idea of Ian and Keith on a journey together. They've never really met, but I think they'd be the best of friends. We should write a book. I'm surprised we haven't, quite frankly.

I know we say this every time with these questions of the weeks, but as usual, they're all brilliant. Like, you guys are far funnier than we are. Why are we on it? That's a fair point. Oh, I mean, somehow I manage, that's just copying Michael Scott, but fine. But it is a great book name.

I love that. Seriously, I've got my book, somehow I manage by Michael Scott. It's such a good book name. I do agree with Katrina May that we should just call it, oh no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no, no. Oh, no.

Which is Harry from 10 years ago on Twitter. Good. actually is. A bit tired after all that. I'm knackered. I haven't done this for a few years, mate. You can tell me back. That's very true.

I'm a newbie. Well, in that case, Sam, get us out of it, please. Yeah, all right. Yeah, good about time, in here. Hope you enjoy your winter break, everybody. Don't worry, Fong is back sooner than it was yesterday, so that's good. Thanks for listening. If you want to get involved in the conversation,

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