The Late Braking F1 Podcast - Should Daniel Ricciardo stay at McLaren?

Episode Date: July 13, 2022

No race this weekend, but the LB boys are back discussing whether Daniel Ricciardo should remain at McLaren for 2023. They also chat through Sebastian Vettel's attitude to F1 and whether the Austrian GP marked a turning point in Mick Schumacher's career... JOIN our Discord: https://discord.gg/dQJdu2SbAm SUPPORT our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/latebraking TWEET us @LBraking BUY our merch: https://late-braking-f1-podcast.creator-spring.com/ SUBSCRIBE to our podcast! EMAIL us: [e-mail] Q&A SPECIAL link: https://bit.ly/3uCHqTM Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Thank you for listening to the Late Breaking F1 podcast. Make sure to tune in for new episodes every Wednesday and Grand Prix Sunday. Hello and a very warm welcome to the late breaking F1 podcast presented by Harry Ead, Sam Sage and me, Ben Hocking. It's an off week in terms of F1, but does that mean there's no late breaking F1 podcast? Absolutely not. We're still here because there's still so much to talk about and you need our nonsensical views on it, I'm sure. We've got plenty to discuss tonight.

We're looking at McSumacher and his recent run of form. We're looking at Sebastian Vettel and his suspended fine as a result of leaving the driver's meeting in Austria. We're playing pump the brakes later on. Our first topic is actually looking at McLaren and what they might do for the 2023 seat, whether it would be Ricardo or someone else. and if you believe our Instagram, Sam, you're actually in the running for that seat. Correct. Yeah, I have heard the press talking. That man can stand the heat because of how hot it is in London at the moment,

and I'm still alive so they think that I can stand to the F1 grid. So who knows? Maybe I'm in the running. Me versus Alex Palau or someone like that for a 20203 seat. You could have heard it here first. I just want to take a moment to recognise that it's the, one week anniversary of Pierre Jaboui. So.

Oh, God. Is it already a week? It feels like it's been a lifetime. I've listened to that clip so many times, and it's still good. Jabui! I think the best thing about that clip is how it completely overshadows.

The fact that, like, one minute earlier, you also said, Jacques Lefitte. Look, Procunciations are my nemesis, okay? 50-50s and pronunciations are my downfall. Josephette as well got a written that didn't get Joseph up. Didn't get dealt out properly.

Speaking of things being Sam's nemesis, things that are Sam's nemesis, you can actually take the Mickey out of us for that sort of thing because we do have a special episode coming up. We're going to record it this weekend coming because all three of us will be in the same place at the same time. We're calling it our 200 episode. It's a long way past 200 now, but we're calling it. And part of it is you can roast us.

So if you want to get your audio submissions in on Discord, you can, whether it be pronunciations, my glasses, Harry's sitting on the fence, go for it. Let us know it. And we are also doing a Q&A as well. and Harry will put the submission form in the in the description. I did. I did it last week as well. I know.

Well done. Well done. So, but I'm like patting you on the head. So that's coming up. But on to today's podcast, as mentioned, while Sam is optimistic, he's probably not going to get the seat in 2023, but we need to work out what is going to happen. Daniel Ricardo is contracted for 2023. And he put out a statement today, asserting that he plans to stick out the rest of the contract,

but there are still rumours circulating as to what is going to happen. A lot of names being thrown around. Sam, do you think that Ricardo should stick it out for the 2023 season based on how this season has been going and how last season went? Quite honestly, if we're looking at this entirely from Ricardo's point of view, how he might be assessing his future, how he might be looking over the next couple of years of his career, where maybe he was. Once Formula One is done. The McLaren family is an ever-growing one. And if I'm completely honest,

I think it would be a silly move for him to leave his contract early. McLaren is still probably the biggest frontrunner of all the teams that he maybe has a foot in the door with. You know, you look at the competition that maybe he would go to. Maybe him a vet will do a swap. Ask Martin and he goes there. Well, they're not above McLaren right now. Maybe he goes to Williams for a swap for Albon.

They're not above McClare. right now. I can't really see him going on or else along the grid. So McLaren for at least another year makes a lot of thanks for Ricardo. And then come the end of that year, he obviously has a decision to make, as June McLaren, which we'll get onto. Does he stay on with McClaren after 2023? Does he sign another long-term deal? Does Zach Brown and McClown want Ricardo in that car any longer than they have to have him after the performances we've seen? I don't know. But McLaren now, I'm not just a force to be reckoned with in Cycle Formula One. They've recently they've recently just bought out the Mercedes Formula E team as well,

something I'm in Formula E. And of course, they are really increasing their presence in IndyCar over in America. So if I'm Daniel Ricardo, I understand my popularity in the US. And many of our wonderful listeners are from the US. I'm sure you understand how much of a presence Sanga Ricardo has over there. I think it makes a lot of sense for him to get his teeth, bear it, try and get some results in and reset his form a little bit. And then maybe come the end of his proclare on contract,

he goes, there are no viable offers in Formula One. There's nothing here that suits my fancy. I'm not getting paid the dollar bill that I want. Hey, Zach Brown, I may not be good enough for F1, but give me that third seat in IndyCar. Swap me with a driver,

maybe the newly signed Palau that we had the issue with in the media over the last day or so. That could be a very fair and reasonable switch that could form the Formula One team of McLaren and the IndyCar team of McLaren very nicely here I'm out. But if I'm Danny Ricardo, I'm not going anywhere.

I've got a good paycheck coming in. The sponsorship money is lovely. The car could improve. They've got the financial backing to make sure they get themselves up the grid. He can still turn this around. I still think he's got time. And seemingly, McClaren have no ability to end

this contract earlier. That's what they keep saying anyway. So as it stands, if I'm Ricardo, I stay with McLaren as long as I can. Harry, Sam says it's a, it would be a silly move for Daniel Ricardo to move away from that contract a year early. Would you agree with that? Do you think he should stick around? Yeah, it would be, I'll go more than silly.

It would be ridiculous move for him to go anywhere else. I don't see why he would, because any other move on the grid that's viable right now is at least sideways, if not a downward trajectory move. so why wouldn't he stick out with McLaren? So kudos to whoever, you know, drew up his contract because that's a hell of a clause that McLaren can't get rid of him and it's all in Ricardo's favour. I guess the idea being that it was maybe never thought that Ricardo wouldn't perform up to expectations.

But yeah, for Ricardo, look, it could still turn around in the next half a year, in the next year, you know, in 2023. So why not stick it out? And as Sam says as well, there's plenty of options in the McLaren family, the ever-growing McLaren family, the Ricardo could choose from should it not work out again in 2020. 2023, sorry. So, yeah, this is, he's in a win-win situation in that front because they can't get rid of him and he shouldn't, should not decide to leave because anywhere else would be a mistake.

So Ricardo, stay put up. as you said you're doing, don't be stupid. I think both options actually present a great deal of risk. And I think he is in a bit of a rock and hard place situation here. If we look at first of all the risk of him staying, obviously the risk is that he doesn't improve versus where he is right now. And that is the case for another year and a half. And suddenly he's got three years where his reputation,

at that point might be irreparable. He might not be able to claim that back to the point where McLaren might not want to extend him at the end of 2023, but his reputation has taken such a hit that other teams perhaps might not want to take the risk either. We saw the likes of Sebastian Vettel, for instance. Vettel had won the bad season at Ferrari,

but that didn't dissuade Austin Martin from taking him on. If that was three years, would they still have done the same thing? Maybe, but also maybe not. So I think there is still risk with him staying at the team. And I would contend one thing. And I agree with you on paper that him moving anywhere else, other than obviously the top teams, would be a on paper move backwards. But I would contend that Ricardo is in such a place at the moment with that McLaren

where he's not in tune with it whatsoever, that he would be outscoring himself in any other car apart from the Williams. So if, let's say, we get the true Daniel Ricardo in a Hass or the true Daniel Ricardo that really meshes with the car in an Alpha Romeo or an Alpha Tauri or an Aston Martin, I think he would be further ahead than where he is right now in a McLaren that doesn't suit him at all.

So whilst on paper a move to any of those teams would be backwards, for himself, it might not actually be the case. However, there are also a great deal, a great number of risks, you know, if he goes right now, because, you know, where does he get another chance? We always say that being in F1 is better than not being in F1. The opportunity to do something is always better than the opportunity to do nothing and give your rivals, essentially, the opportunity to do something. I think this is kind of taking that logic to the limit, but I still think it applies.

And certainly if he goes now when the going is really tough, what message does that send out to other teams that might want to consider him? As soon as the tough got going, Ricardo left himself. He went, no, that's enough for me. That doesn't give a great impression. My verdict, overall verdict, is the same as you two. I do think he should stay and he should, in the immortal words of Rye guy, figure it out, bro. And whether he can or not is another debate. But I think he at least should give it the due diligence and try.

And the main reason for me is that whilst it might be, let's say worst case scenario, he doesn't improve and at the end of 2023, it's still not looking good. And McLaren don't want to offer him an extension. It might be three bad years, but crucially, it's only one stint. And what I mean by that is it's one team. So Ricardo, regardless of whether it's true or not, at the end of 2023, you can sit there and say, yeah, it didn't work for me at McLaren, but you know what? It was an anomaly because it worked for me at Renault.

It worked for me at Red Bull. Worked for me at Toro Rosso. McLaren, forget about it. It's an anomaly. I didn't fit with the car. Hire me. And I think it might well work. I would say him having two bad years in two different teams would be worse for his future prospects than three bad years, but only at one team.

Because you can place it more on the team at that point, again, regardless of whether it's true or not. So I think he's had enough success as well. He's an, what is it, eight-time winner or something along those lines, that he would be able to go somewhere if given enough time to prepare it as well. So I agree with you both. I think he should stick it out. I really admire how well thought out an articulate Ben's answers are compared to me and Sam. Oh, I think. My answer was well point out an article.

Don't rope me into your gnaff answers, mate. No, I'm just saying we're okay. Ben's just very good. I know. But we all have strengths on this podcast. And being articulate as Ben's, being funny is mine. and you just exist. So that's how it rolls on this podcast.

I just here. Yeah, that's true. Harry, your benefit of this podcast is that my articulate and Sam's funny would never make the airwaves. So that's certainly your specialty. Thanks so much. You're incredibly loved. Already mentioned a couple of names such as Alex Polo, which is a bit of an ongoing saga

at the moment. But in terms of the roster of drivers that McLaren seem to be building up, both in America and here in Europe. If Ricardo was hypothetically to give it up at the end of this year, at least in terms of McLaren, Sam, who do you think would step up to the plate? Or who would McLaren ask to step up to the plate? I think the first thing that I would take into consideration

is where they are as a team right now. They are not in the same place they were last season where they were fighting Ferrari for that third place over all the constructors. They are struggling. There are tracks where they seem to be the second or third worst car. There are some tracks where they seem to be the fourth or fifth best car. But what we do know is a fact is they've slipped. They are not the team fighting, you know, best of the rest third place anymore.

They are well in that midfield battle. They're behind Alpine, I think, on pace at the moment, maybe not obviously on points, but on pace, I think they're comfortably behind Alpine. And I'd argue they're closer to Harsing Alpha Amaya right now, which from McClaring is a huge backward step. Now, bear that in mind because I think that will influence where they would go on their journey with their next driver. I wouldn't choose a driver that has only got a season,

two seasons left under their belt in Formula One. As much as I'd love to see Sebastian Vettel, another team, you know, McLaren, whoever it might be, as I love Sevede. I just don't think it makes a lot of sense of them with their longevity, because you want a driver next Colando Norris that they can together build the team around long term. You saw how successful Mercedes were in their period

between kicking off and having Michael Schumacher and Eka Rosberg to last season where they had Lewis Hamilton of Algerubatis. In that time period, they had four drivers, right? They built their ethos, their culture, their driving style around these four key characters. And quite frankly, I think that Niko Rosberg probably will have been there till last season, has he not have the shock retirement of winning the world title. So, you know, Mercedes was successful due to their consistency,

their longevity and their understanding of culture. So for me, if McClown wants to go down that same route, they've got the financial ability, they've got the investment, they've got the desire worldwide. Vessel doesn't make a lot of sense. Unfortunately for Vettel, because I do think he relish that opportunity.

An option that is maybe less, it has got more longevity, but it's maybe less obvious for the short term. Pierre Gassley, of course. If I'm Pierre Gassley and I'm his agent, I am big borrowing and sealing any meeting I can get with a driver that is on their last year of their contract. Mercedes for Lewis Hamilton,

McLeon, when it comes to Daniel, Ricardo, I am getting my foot in the door every way possible. And to be fair, if McLaren can do what Ben has said that Daniel Ricardo should do, and that's ignore the most recent performance, right, Pierre Gazley this season, ignore that. Look at the last two years and go, that's the Pierre Gazzi you get. He's only, what, 26, 27, if that. The guy's got at least a decade left under him. And he's been part of the Red Bull program for such a long time that he has got knowledge.

He's got understanding. He's got development in him. he could grow that car. So I think Pierre Gassie, next to Orlando Norris, is a very sensible shout. A few of the saints, you've got a weed out there, but Pierre Gazzini makes sense. And then you've got the two anomalies in my eyes. You've got Herta and you've got Palau coming over from the US. Both are displaying brilliant performances, of course.

One of them is the champion, the current champion of the series. And they seem to know exactly what they're doing from such a young age. The outside worry from a clown here is they've never competing in the series. We've never seen them at this level when it comes to Formula One. We don't know if they're going to arrive and drive or turn up and just completely flop on the first race. We don't know that. So for me, Pierre Gassley, to me, Pierre Gassley is the primary choice. It makes a lot of sense.

You know, he's won a race. He's having a lot of development. He's had a lot of key people around you for a long time. But I wouldn't be surprised in McLaren go over the next three or four years, we build the team around the very young Landon Norris and the very young Palau, for example. and that is the sensible route to go down. I really think they need to stay away, though. Unfortunately so, from the elder driver of Sebastian Betel, who's only got a couple of years left, I think.

I think at maximum. I don't think he's got the satisfaction in the sport anymore, and I think it'll be a risk for McLaren. So Pierre Gasly for an inside, F1 choice, Palau for an outside. Harry, who do you think they would opt for if they needed someone? Ghazly boy. Yeah, Pierre Gasly, I think, is the obvious choice here.

If they're going to look inside F1, I think Pierre Gadsley's their most sensible choice. And I agree with Sam. It doesn't make much sense to hire Seb. If Seb is looking to. I think Vettel will either stay with Astor Martin or he'll just retire. I don't think he's looking to go anywhere else, to be honest, despite the rumours.

If we're going to look in the McLaren ranks, then I think probably Alex, are we saying Palau or Palau? What are you thinking? I say Palo. Sam. Oh, I just say how Townsend Bell has said it on the telly. I've never actually, you know,

Palo. I'll go with Ben, though, so I respect Ben, and Ben brings good information, Jabui, Palo. You know, pronunciations are back, folks. Anyway, I'd go for Alex Palo, probably over Colton Hurtt, to be honest. But, yeah, he would be in my number two choice because I think you,

why would you not go for Pierre Gasly? He's looking for a way out of Alfatari. And as Sam said, this year's been okay. But the past couple of years have been exceptional from old Pierre. So absolutely, Pierre Gasly, would be my choice, unless Mika Hackerden decides he's had enough of sabbatical.

Oh, yeah, sorry, I forgot. He's replacing Lando Norris in this situation. Oh, right, okay, fine. Yeah, sorry, Bella. Got it. Should have made that clearer from the outset, really. Gasly's all right. Gasly's fine, but you're too bad.

No. Go on, Ben. Go on, Gasly. Gasly's good, but, you know, if I'm McLaren, I want a bit better than good, so I'm going to take a bit of a gamble and go for someone else. I think they should break the bank for Piastri, quite honestly. And, you know, we know that Piastri has now got some ties into McLaren

with being the, well, one of their reserve drivers of about 500, admittedly. but he has got ties to McLaren that he didn't have at the beginning of this year. And whilst Piastri to William seemed a bit of a lock a few weeks ago, it doesn't seem that's still the case now. And McLaren are creeping in as a bit of an alternate option for him. So I would go Piastri, quite honestly, if the situation arose. He would be the priority. But they do have arguably the three best young talents in America with IndyCar at the moment.

you know, Herta, Pelo and Pato Award, they might well be the three best young guys in the series. You know, Pallow, it's a weird one. Pallow is the champion, obviously. So you would think he would be the priority of those three. He's actually the one I would put last just based on, whilst the fact that he is the champion, he excels at ovals a lot more than Herta does

and a bit more than O'Ward does as well. And if you haven't noticed, there aren't any ovals in F1. So it's not going to have. help him a great deal. Whereas Herta, when Herta's on, Herta's on. Like, he got it. When he's in the zone, look out. That was because he's off.

That's the problem. Sometimes he's a bit off. And the consistency isn't quite there, which is why out of those three, I'd actually go for Pato Award. But Pato Award, I think, suits Indie down to a T. So I don't actually know if I'd want him to go. But I wouldn't go for any three of them. I wouldn't go for Gassley. I wouldn't go for vet. I wouldn't even consider Vettel.

Piastri would be the option. Yeah, Formula 3 and Formula 2 champion. I think that's, he's got Russell and Leclerc as the last two guys have done that. He's probably going to be pretty good. So I'd take a, it's a bit of a gamble, of course, because he's never raised an F1. Or, you know, but you need to take gamble sometimes. So I'd go for him. The only thing that makes me hesitate about Piastri, and at much I think he's probably the next big talent,

if he actually gets a Formula 1 C is that I think he might rock the boat with Landon Norris. They're not actually very far off in terms of age difference. They want Norris to be the prodigy child, the one that they're building their future around. I think Gazley, because he's older than Norris,

I think he mentally would settle as a number two driver, but I think they would know who their number one, and number two is where I think if Piastri comes in and immediately rocks the boat, I mean, it's not a bad problem to have, right? Two drivers exceeding the car, but I do think that internally it might call, than more issues. But Piastri, in terms of promise, you're right, probably has the best promise

out of a lot of them. This podcast has turned on its head. You're the one with the sensible option, Sam, and I'm the one with the entertainment option. This doesn't feel right. Are you guys okay? We like to mix it up. Surprise people. We're just surprising. We do indeed. Obviously, Oscar Piastri Formula 2 champion. We're going to be talking about another former Formula 2 champion in a moment, Mick Schumacher, right after this. So we've seen Papa, papa, papa. I've simply ruined this intro. Nick Schumacher.

We've seen a bit of an upturn in terms of performance over the last few races. It showed a bit more promise at Silverstone and, of course, got his first points. And then he also did very well at Austria as well. And we actually saw on the sprint race for Austria, he was rather angry after. which is something we haven't become accustomed to seeing from Mick Schumacher whatsoever.

Sam, what's your view on this? Do you think that the last few races in terms of performance, plus what you saw in terms of a bit of fire from him after the sprint race in Austria, is this a sign that he's getting there? And this is almost like the start that he needs to his proper F1 career? Well, Harry said it best, I think, after the last race review that we did, that it's a well-known fact that Mick Schumacher only becomes good or whatever he's doing 18 months after he starts it.

And obviously, we've reached that point now. We've hit the, he knew it. It's got a calendar marked on his, on his, at home, probably, and he's gone, right. Mum, mum, I'm only a month and a half away from being good, you know, counting down the days. Ten days shall I'm good. And it hit like the Thursday before Silverstone. And he crossed it off. I'm good now.

And now he can drive. And I also think it very nicely coincides with the fact the house out of nowhere has turned up to the last few tracks and being very strong. Remember they've had no upgrades. They are one of the only teams to bring no upgrades to the sport. And Kevin Magnusson also displayed very strong performances at both tracks, right? Shimaka didn't blow K-Mag away. He was faster.

He was the better driver of the two at both tracks. But he didn't blind away. They were both very, very strong. But yes, I'm well on board with this Mick Schumacher. And you know what? I love angry Schumackers. Because when they get angry, his dad, his uncle, you know, when they get angry tracks on,

and they get angry around the car, that's when you see, oh, the real great driving come out. How many times have we seen Schumacher, Michael, that is, have an incident, or have a strange decision made against him, or, you know, a weird tussle between someone. And the next race, he's turned up,

and he's just battered the opposition into submission. It's like they go, that car is like my therapy. It's like shangling all my fury and frustration. and I put every ounce of that into that car and all of a sudden you get this magic behind the wheel not magical uncson, no, no, no, magic Schumacher has turned up. I love it. I want someone to sit him down before every race weekend

and go and insult him in the worst way or frustrate him in the worst way. So he goes, I'm fuming, I'm proper miffed off. I'm getting in the car now. And I'm going, yeah, tell him that every race and go, the whole crowd out there are chanting out. I've just heard them. They think you're a little cry baby

and Mazurping's better than you. And he's going to go, oh, right, I'm showing them. And I think that basically it needs to get riled up. It needs to get in the zone. F-1 is an adrenaline-filled field sport. It's all well enough being a nice guy. And I think actually, Daniel Ricardo is probably the best modern option. And Lewis Hamilton, actually, as well is probably quite a good option.

Very good at being nice, smiley outside the car. But we'll see when you piss off Daniel Ricardo, where you piss off Lewis Hamilton. Oh, come on. Sorry. is that a bleep? Is it? Oh,

it's a tough one. I have to consult my swear word booklet. Okay, thank you. The LB swear word booklets, let's get that out. Yeah, so when Hamilton's been very annoyed, when Daniel Ricard was very annoyed,

the next race, I mean, you saw it in Brazil last year with the Vastappan Hamilton title fight, they get this extra bit, this extra cut of the tent. They have that ability to channel it, And I think Mick's got the same. I think he's starting to realize that, starting to unlock that, starting to harness it.

And when you combine that with a car that seems to work well at these tracks, it's a fantastic potion for great F1 performances. And I'm all about that. So hopefully Harsing to bring upgrades or in the next season or so, he gets an opportunity somewhere else. Because I think Angry Mick teamed up with a team that is pushing forward, getting him riled up but focused at the same time is a real reference. recipe for success. He showed how competent he could be. I'm not sure I'm ready to call him

a multiple world champion, just get on ability, but he's bloody proved his point on the last couple races that he really does have a spot in this sport long term if he keeps delivering those results. It's interesting that you point out what you said in terms of motivation and how that seems, he needs to spur himself on almost. He always needs like that, that Michael Jordan way of working. And I always, funnly, I always think

Michael Jordan and Michael Schumacher often had quite a lot of similarities. But Michael Jordan would essentially, in his sport,

create the insult. So create the rivalries himself. I took that personally, the famous meme. Like, that's almost what Mick needs to do. No one's going to go out there and unfortunately say what,

you said, Sam, but say those sorts of things directly to him. But he almost needs to take these, small things like media clip. He's like, right, okay, I'm taking that person.

I'm going to prove it. Because you're right, it seems to, based on the last couple of races, it seems to work. My instinct based on his post-sprint race media showing where he was clearly incredibly angry that we've not really seen him even partially angry before in a media interview, in F1 at least. My immediate reaction was, Michael, is that you? I don't think I've ever seen more of Michael. in Mick than at that moment. It was absolutely mad. And look, my instinct is that the Mick does not have

overall that cutting edge, roofless streak that Michael had. You know, Michael Schumacher was more talented than 95% of all F1 drivers and it was that roofless streak that took him ahead of the other 5%. And Nick, I don't think from a talent perspective or in terms of a drive, I don't, I don't don't think he's got exactly what his father had. But that doesn't mean that this can't be the start of his, what I think could be a very solid career, could span a decade. I wouldn't be surprised if he carves out a Holkenberg-esque, maybe Perez-esque career. I think that's perfectly doable. And he just needs to show more of that fire. He's incredibly popular. He's very nice. You can tell the team love him. And that's all great. But he does need to lose. And I think he is losing.

this happy to be here vibe. He needs to show more of what he did at Austria. And I think he can, yeah, like I say, he can carve out a good career. Do I think this will be a dramatic turnaround landmark moment? I don't. But I think this can be at least a notable point in his career that separates out the first part where he was that happy to be here type

and this second part where he can start to bring out the performances and really put together a solid career, possibly in the midfield, but there's far worse things you can be doing with your life, right? Harry, what do you think about Nick Schumach's last few races? Like a podcast, yeah, thanks, Sam.

Everyone wants our job. Exactly. It's very, very encouraging to see. I'm with you, Ben, on that, not that he was sort of just not trying or anything, but he was very grateful for the opportunity to be in F1. I think maybe that's a, maybe that was a, you know, a result of last year

where the only thing he could be was just grateful to be in F1 because driving the F1 guy he drove was pretty hideous and he tried to kill him every 30 seconds. So I think maybe that's a result of last year, but I think this year with a more competitive car and a more competitive teammate, I think he's had to learn quickly that he's got to fight for it. And I think that's,

that's, you know, come to bear in these last couple of races. You're totally right. The screenshot of him when he's all frowny is just Michael Schemecker, which is pretty, pretty odd. But, you know, it's really encouraging to see. And I've really thought that he's, particularly in Austria, and I'm thinking of his defense against Hamilton,

some really great racecraft. I mean, really solid racecraft. It's got Lewis Hamilton behind him for grand Atlanta. So yeah, you know, maybe that's been there all along, but I remember in F2, he had a few clumsy racecraft incidents. That was very encouraging to see. So yeah, I know I joke about the one and a half year turning point and maybe this does become the same thing again.

I don't know. I think we need to wait for a few more races. But I really hope this is kind of a clicking point for Mick, because Mick in that form with Kevin Magnuson, that house is. will be a pretty strong lineup. And I think Goodthel will be encouraging him to keep channeling whatever he's been channeling the past couple of weekends because I think those two in a car that's fairly competitive at the moment

or at least has been the last two races, you know, they can pick up some serious points. You mentioned how Kevin Magnuson is obviously at the team this year, which is a new challenge for Mick. Sam, do you think that having Magnuson as a teammate, or perhaps more accurately, having a competent driver as his teammate. Do you think that's actually helping Mick? Oof, size large, I think, is what you're just going to live there, then.

Do I think it's helping Mick? Well, it's definitely better than having, as you said, a driver that maybe wasn't too competent at the F1 last season. KMAG is one of those drivers who, when KMAG is a bit, I guess, like you mentioned with Herta, right? When they're on, when they're flipped on as a SWATON, which KMAG is one of the best drivers in Formula One now when he is on. He's box office, right?

We've called him a box office for years. The man can deliver not every weekend, not day in, day out. But when he's having a good weekend, KMAG can put out some extraordinary performances. And for those who are new to Formula One, go back and look at KMAG's career, right? His junior career was brilliant. He got a go at McLaren, which didn't work out brilliant because it came a little bit too early. But the guy has got real promise. So now he's age and he's maybe mellowed.

a little bit, and I say a little bit, because it isn't a lot, when you've got Mick Schumack, who's a very young talent next to you, you can learn a lot from KMAG. And I don't think KMAG will see Mick as a kind of career-ending threat. I don't think they'll have an inter-team rivalry. They're not like Grojan and K-Mag who are almost exactly the same point in their career, and every year it was one of us could go. At any point, one of us could go.

K-Mag knows it's a different dynamic internally. And I think Mick can look at a lot of what K-Mag does, whether it be training, whether it be track analysis, whether it be time on the sim, you know, and understand that. I also think time with Seb equally is helping him. Now he's older and more integrating into the sport. Having this older driver presence around him,

KMAG and other drivers who are friendly with him, is definitely going to help. It's going to help more than going, I beat Nikita Mazepin again this weekend. I don't know if that's good or not, because I don't really go where else I'm meant to stand with the rest of Formula One. This season is definitely,

a much bigger positive. And I think if he can go on and outscore KMAG for the rest of the season, and bloody hell, yeah, it's come a long way and it's really encouraging. If he gets absolutely trounced by KMAG, then, okay, a lot of work to do because I don't think KMAG is the absolute greatest thing

he's ever going to come up against. He's just very strong. So it's positive. It's a good start. I'm hoping that Mick can now, as we've all both said, kick on, because I feel like this could be a nice starting point to a very strong F-1 career, as we've all agreed, I don't think it's going to be groundbreaking.

But a strong, long-term F-1 career is definitely on the horizon. Yeah, I think Magnuson is the perfect teammate for where Mick Schumacher is in his career. Obviously, jabs at Mazapin's ability to one side, even if Mazapin was very good, the relationship between Schumacher and Mazapin was never good. And for a team that was struggling as much as Hasse, that was pretty detrimental. So the relationship between Schumacher and Magnuson seems very healthy, even if you put ability to one side. But I do think he is the ideal teammate because Magnuson has more experience at Hasse overall versus Schumacher.

So there's a lot for Schumacher to learn there. And I think Magnuson is in a position where he is willing to give, to give, rather than just hide everything away from Mick. But also, Magnuson has enough fire that if they are in combat with one another, I don't think Magnuson is going to back down. He's still a fighter on the racetrack. So I think actually for where Schumacher is in his career, and you're right, Sam, he's not a world beater, so it's not like he's unbeatable.

I think it's perfect. It works just about right. The balance is just about there. But it'd be interesting to see the last few races before the summer break and indeed after the summer break where he ends up in terms of his overall pace and points versus his teammate. We're going to be talking about his de facto mentor next. Sebastian Vessel right after this. So Sebastian Vessel, it was a pretty packed weekend in terms of news, particularly relating to the FIA. And one thing we didn't touch on our review podcast was Sebastian Vettel suspended fine that he received as a result of the driver's meeting that he walked out of.

The FIA made it very clear in a statement that that is not allowed. You cannot leave the driver's meeting before it has concluded. He walked out. Turns out he just, he walked out because they were arguing over something and it had enough. He went and spoke to the race director a little while after, apologized. So the fine was a suspended fine rather than him having to pay the money. Harry, what did you make of the incident? And what do you think this says about where Vettel's mindset is in terms of Formula

one as a whole. Absolutely fair, Sebastian. You walk out when you want to, Sunshine. If they're arguing about nonsense, it's the FIA. They've done so much rubbish over the past few years that you can just walk out when you want. I don't care. I think if you've got at least a championship, you have the right to just leave.

I think that should be the rule. Yeah, we don't know the internet. So I heard one rumor saying the meeting hadn't started. It was 20 minutes late. and then the other one was they were just going around his circles about conversation. Look, the F1 drivers are still human in the end and I can't imagine the FIA

meetings are the most thrilling things they do in their weekends. So, fine, if you've walked out, you walked out. I've got no beef about it. In terms of what it says about him and his love of F1, I don't know, I felt it really hard because I think he's clearly, I think,

disenchanted with what F1 has become. And I think that's evidence by the walking out of the meeting amongst other things. You know, he wasn't allowed to wear a helmet or something, I think, recently. And things like that that had a particular messaging on. Oh, it was in Canada, wasn't it? But I think his love of racing and his competitive spirit is still there. Because you see every time, I know he's not, the car's not wearing, it should be right now,

but the car doesn't make it out of Q1, or he's in the race trying to fight back and he gets nerfed off. He's, he's fuming. He's always fearing about it. And so I think it's, it's a tricky one to judge

as to whether this means he's going to stick around or not, because I think, yes, he is, I think he's clearly disenchanted with the overall, overall sport. But I think as a racing driver, he appreciates and understands that if he leaves,

he'll never, race in a in a in the pinnacle of racing ever again will he'll he'll he'll not go to do something else but it'll never be f1 and i think that's probably playing um on the back of his mind when he when he's considering his options here so yeah i think it's clear sebs a bit fed up with f1 he just wants to to race cars he's getting a bit like kimmie rikin it in that sense i think and he stayed around for about 20 years so uh he hasn't left yet oh he's still not left yeah he still there he still goes on it he's he's actually

Valtry Bottas so yeah I think I think that's where Seb's head is at the moment it'll be interesting

to see what what he decides Sam what's your thoughts do you think that this him leaving the driver's meeting

is an indication as to as to where his heads at right now I firstly think it's a bit unfair you know

if you've ever been a heated situation if you've become frustrated with something all of us in life

sometimes the best solution is just to get up, walk away and go and take a deep breath. Like it's normal to, um, to get really irritated with something and have to take some time away. You know, we've all had those conversations in life, of those moments in life where we're, I'm sorry, I just need to interrupt with something very quickly. Harry's actually walked away from the microphone. I feel like we should put something in here right now before he gets back. Um, Harry's a big bum head. Yes, nice watch. Go on. Keep

and so, you know, when Seb Evette is getting frustrated and Harry was right with the point he made, when you have at least one world title, if not four to your name, you get to take a break. You get frustrated. You get to walk out. And I think I know I have been, and I'm sure many of us, maybe you two as well, have been a situation where work, obviously, this is his job. You get a bit tired of your job or you get a bit frustrated with what's going on at work. And you start to notice things that maybe normally wouldn't get a bug to you and they become

more irritating faster, you know, getting taken off the track or not being able to do something such as wear a helmet or having an argument in a driver's meeting. And you think, well, when I was in love with what I was doing, I'll put up with it. It's all right. It's a minor inconvenience because later on I get to go out there and win races and win titles and get a lovely big paycheck at the end of it, and I can deal with that. But actually, two years on where you're not winning, you're not having a successful time, you're getting frustrated, you go, that's irritated me.

That's bloody annoyed me. You know, I want to go somewhere else. And I think that's what's happening. I think we're slowly seeing the cracks start to forming Sebastian Vettel's love of Formula One of the sport. I think on the radio we got taking off, what was it, the third time over the weekend in Austria, he bloody said, why am I racing on a track of these clowns?

You know, that's Sebastian Vettel, call him the grid clowns, is one of the nicest people in Formula One. It's very clear with all these actions that he is coming to the end of his tether. And I think unless Aston Martin start producing a car that can at least score very strong regular points, I can't see him skipping around for too much longer.

I think this is just another tick in the box of times where he's just getting a bit tired. He's just getting a little bit fair up with it. So that's where I think Seb's at. I think he's just like, you know what? I don't really care anymore. Save the bees. Let's be nice for the world.

Leave me alone. I just think Seb was born 20 years too late. He absolutely should have been in racing in the 80s, I think, is exactly where he would fit in as a racing driver. I mean, that was 40 years ago. Yeah, it'd be pretty young. Yeah. Fair point. You should have been 14 years.

You know what? You've got a point there, yeah. That is maths. Sound can't pronounce words and I can't do maths. That's where we stand from this podcast. You do forget seasons just exist. 2020, mate. Didn't happen.

Didn't happen. Prove it. Prove it. Go on. Yeah, exactly. Firstly, I will say, I don't have a great deal of sympathy when it comes to Vettel-Storm

out of a meeting because guess what? I can't storm out of a mandatory meeting. You should, Ben. You should. Well, if I, if I click, you know, the red cross when it comes to a Zoom meeting after 20 minutes, because I'm bored. Yeah. Right. Okay.

If I stormed out now, no, okay, that's the argument for it. Go on, do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. I dare you. If I storm out of a work meeting after 20 minutes, I get repercussions for it. And I expect repercussions for it.

So I don't have a great deal of sympathy for Vettel getting a suspended fine from something he knows is mandatory. But I'm not saying that the FIA are blameless, by the way. If they're mucking around and can't get a meeting started after 20 minutes, then I should come in there and sort them out. But no one else left. So stick it out. This podcast doesn't start until 40 minutes after we agree it anyway. This is fair.

It's very fair. I'm going to do it. I'm going to throw in a, I'm going to. going to throw in an NFL reference. Yee-ha! Ah, dear. So, Tom Brady, most successful,

most successful NFL player of all time. Third best NFL player of all time after Lawrence Taylor and Jerry Rice. That's going to beat a few people. I had to put that in there. The Rice Man. I'm good. I should never have said that.

Point B. Point B. He retired from the NFL a few months after the season finished, right? But then a few things started to come out. That in isolation would be, not too much, but added together, they were all, they all didn't quite make sense. So he retired, but then he made the trip over to Manchester United, owned by the glazers, who also owned the team he used to play for and apparently still does now. And then he said something in an interview and then he said something else. And then suddenly he unretires.

And the point being is all of those little things by themselves didn't really mean too much. But when you put them all together, you could kind of tell the story. And this is the same thing with Sebastian Betel. So this isolated incident of him walking out of a meeting doesn't mean a great deal. But when you put it with all the other factors, some of which, you've mentioned, it's starting to paint a picture of he is pretty frustrated with the position F1. He is in at the moment in terms of F1. Obviously, you've mentioned already his frustration at wheel to wheel battling. He keeps on getting hit by people, which is, you know, he called him clowns,

as you mentioned. And look, Vettel has the dignity and the respect to spin by himself most of the time. And I'm sure he wishes everyone else would do the same thing. That's savage, Ben. That's absolutely savage. I just said he's got dignity and respect. I don't know what you're talking about. Unbelievable. But honestly, in the situation he's in right now,

it seems as if he gets more enjoyment out of helping Mick Schumacher, someone who isn't even at his same team than him finishing 12th for 11th in a race, which is pretty concerning. And he's mentioned on it, he mentioned last week that, you know, not fighting for wins, it's not the same. And he's right. And he's somewhat cursed by how successful he was early in his career. He was a four-time champion at the age of 26 or 27. And then he went, he had to go from that to winning occasional races. And now he's occasionally in the points. It's, it's almost going the wrong way. And it's hard to be motivated over finishing P9 and P10 when you've

won four championships in a row at one point in your career. So, yeah, I think all of these point to him being very frustrated with his current position in F1. And this is going to sound brutal as well, but he's not enough of an asset now versus what he used to be that a team is going to break the bank to keep him in F1. He was the second richest driver after Hamilton at one point, or in terms of his income from Ferrari. but he's not shown the pace that he had during those days that someone would make him that offer anymore. There's not teams lining up for his services anymore.

So if he has the potential to move away from F1, there's less going to be keeping him there. And I agree with what you said, Harry, and that he does seem to almost be 20 years too late for what he likes and what he's all about. I don't know he's never quite fitted I don't think with where F1 is right now and where it's heading so I don't know what that means for his long term future

I don't even know what it means for his short to medium term future what's your thoughts on that Sam do you could you see him walking away what does your what does your gut tell you on this I am a big said fan but I want him to leave Formula One I think he does a brilliant thing, you know, as an advocate stands up for himself for other people, brilliantly.

He's very morally driven. And you know what? I think he's got such brilliant respect for so many things. I think he presents himself so wonderfully and the sport so wonderfully. But it's sad seeing him not enjoy himself. It's sad every race knowing that you might get a comment on the radio from Seb going, ah, this hurts. Oh, this is rubbish.

Oh, this is tough. After his success, I'm glad you mentioned the downward trajectory of his career, winning four world titles and then races and then nothing. It's the wrong way around. It's not how you envision your career going. Most people want to leave on a high. I mean, look at what Nico Rosberg did, right one, the title and left. I think for him, he needs a fresh challenge entirely.

Go and race sports cars in GT3 or DTM. Go across the pond and do something different. I don't mind what you do. Go away from racing entirely and just enjoy a business. his venture and live with your family and save the world. But for me, I would not be one surprised or too disappointed if we get a statement in the summer break going, you know what? I'm calling it a day. End of this season. That's it for me. Thanks very much. Because I think he's had a fantastic career better than 96, 97% of drivers will ever have an F1. So it would be sad

to see him go, but I totally respect it if he does. And I understand entirely if he does go. Because you're right. If he was racing late 90s, early 2000s, alongside Michael Schumacher, I really think he would have loved what F1 was at that point. You know, through the 90s into the early 2000, I think he would have adored it. But I think unfortunately the world of media, social media, the way the fans are, just doesn't sit right with him. It just doesn't sit right with him. So, yeah, go on and show you something different. I'll follow him. I'll still keep up with what he's doing.

I'm sure many will as well. But I do think maybe his attitude says it's time to move on. What does your instinct say on this one? Harry, can you see it happening? Can you see him walking away? Or do you think he does something else? I think he might just, I think he might try and stick around another year. And I don't, not saying I agree that that's the right thing to do.

I just think he, I totally agree with what Sam said and what we've all said, that he's not enjoying picking up occasional points every other race or every five race or whatever I just think he will want to see if he can make this journey work with Aston Martin Yeah I think he will

I think it will stick around for another year I'm not saying it's right thing to do I just think I've got a gut feeling he might just stick it out And see if it does work out in 2020 23, for the rest of 2022. Yeah, I think he's been sold that vision by, by Mr. Stroll. I mean, Lawrence, not Lance. I mean, Lance has been tried as well.

Yeah, yeah, probably. Lance probably sold it really well. But do you reckon Lance straw's an excellent salesman for ready? Yes. Yes. He soaks up pressure like a, like a diamond. Like he'd be great on the apprentice. You become, you become a diamond after the pressure.

make anything. That's true, yeah. Oops. Leave the analogies to me. All right. What was his actual quote from Drive to Survive? It was something along those lines, wasn't it? What?

It was like, he, yeah, he had like one line in the whole series, like maybe season two possible. I can't remember. And it was something to do with, like, pressure and diamond. I'm going to find this. Go on you at, looking up. I soak up pressure like a sponge, and then I spray it all over the race weekend and fail miserable. I thought you were being serious for the first

half of that and then it became very clear you weren't. Yeah, well, that's my life. Yeah, I can't remember what the end of my point was, so sponges it is. I don't remember what I was going to say there, but basically, think Sebel's Day. Oh, that was it. Basically, he had one line in the whole season, and it

was diamonds and made. under pressure. That was it. What a singer. And he goes how diamonds are made. Can you think you had like an A4 sheet of one liners. They just gave it to him. They were like, read these all out and we'll slot them in this.

Yeah. Checoe, welcome to Red Bull. Oh, no, I've got Christian script. Can I have the other one, please? Sorry. I think my instinct is that he does stick. Can you imagine if he walked away and the Aster Martin investment finally pays off

and their winning rate. I mean, you couldn't live with that. So I think he does stick around for another year. And we know that investment in F1 doesn't always materialize straight away. Like if you took Red Bull as the example, you know, they were in Formula 1 in the mid-2000s, and it wasn't until 2010 that they actually won the championship. So the investment from Aston-Marty was never going to be overnight success.

I think they would have hoped it would have been a bit quicker than this, so, you know, maybe he still does walk away, but yeah, I think you're probably given another year. We're going to play F1 Pump the Breaks right after this. Say slick. There's some words in there, I think. Ruff, Rup, man. We've got to have to have this.

Pump the brakes. We haven't played this one in a little while, but we've got Dave Benson Phillips, of course, back at it again. Niche British reference. Pump the brakes is a very simple segment that we play. We're each going to give one opinion that is somewhat controversial and the other two of us will have to decide whether the opinion's absolutely fine and you can keep going in thinking that or whether they should absolutely pump the brakes

because they are dead wrong. and of course we know that if both people say that your opinion is wrong and you should pump the brakes, that's where Dave Benson Phillips comes into action and he gunges us and he gunges us. Dave, are you there? I literally can't hear that. Maybe you need to play the intro first. Oh, that is there. delightful

classic so good that's playing yeah so we do call this segment pump the brakes it doesn't come with a theme song

as most of our other games do but it does come with well can we call it a theme song I'll play it fair fair do's again I'm just going to have to presume that it is actually playing this

because I can't hear it whatsoever I did it sounds like let's play it again oh that again I can hear it What a farthest podcast is. Oh, Lord. We had, like, well over 10,000 listens to our Austria review

within, like, 24 hours of it being out. What is wrong with you, people? We're closing on a million downloads, and that crap, scallappings. This is ridiculous. Oh, all right, pump the brakes. Harry, kick us off what you? is your opinion that's going to send shockwaves down our spines?

Can you make Sam go first? Because I forgot what mine is. Oh, for goodness sake. Oh, for God's sake. I thought I'd written it down on my phone, but I'll bear with. No, Sam, you can go first because you are the prepared one of us. Yes, hello. It's me, the prepared one.

My pump the brakes, and it's not that controversial because I'm asking me out, I'm starting to run out of controversial opinions. It's that I think all teams should be made to delete historic data every single time they leave the track. So every time they turn up the next year, they're never allowed to bring any historic data. They have to use their minds, and that is it. And the practice sessions they're provided, you have to delete all data that relates to that track from the previous seasons. No old data to bring. What do you think, Eric?

Yeah. I'm not going to tell you to point breaks. I agree. It would make that make it much more exciting. Yeah, I think it would be like turning up to a brand new track of it every time. And, you know, F1 teams love data. And I think if you take it away from them, they might have a little cry, but then they'll get on with it.

So I agree with that one. Love that. Thank you. I, yeah, I agree. I'm not going to tell you to pump the brakes. The problem is I don't know how achievable it would be in reality. In terms of the theory of it, I absolutely love it, which is why I'm not going to tell you to pump the brakes. How you police that and how you manage that,

that would be tricky. So maybe it's not doable, but I'll, you know, I'll live with you in fairy tale land and I'll tell you not to pump the brakes. come on suck it Dave so Dave Benson Phillips does not get paid

50p for for dunking Sam Harry are you ready now no you go Ben I still right

is my is my pump the brakes so we are currently in the year 2022 that isn't my pump the brakes

I expect no worries but my pump the brakes refers to 2032 My opinion is Vastappen will have retired by 2032.

This is so hypothetical. I'm going to say pump the brakes. Sorry, Sam. Yeah, I'm going to agree with him. Pump the brakes. Get gungged. Get gungg, boy. No.

Not that one. No. That's the wrong one. You're an idiot. He's gone mad. He's playing F4 back and forth. He doesn't care. What?

Why? Oh, that's the good. There it is. Oh, God! This is the worst segment we've ever done, and we just had Chibui. It's not the worst segment we've ever done. We just hangediboui.

I don't know. I just think as soon, I don't see him sticking out until he's, I don't see him being a Kimi Reikin and or a Fernando Alonzo. How old would he be by 2032? 34? I must have got even old anymore. I think he

retired, I think he does an Eco Rosberg, basically. I should have already retired then. He would have done that already though. Yeah, I guess it'll work.

What do you mean? He's won a championship. He won one tie out of the left. Well, yeah, but he might, you know, just happens not winning another title,

is he? So, you know. Hary, we've got him in a corner. We've got him. Got him. Right, I don't know how many titles he'll win by them,

but he'll retire younger than he could have done, is what I mean with Rupniker Rosberg. That's my, that's my pump of the brakes. It sucks, mate. That's all right. At least I got one. Have you got one, Harry? Yeah, I remember what it is now.

My palm of the brakes is, I think that the starting grid, every driver has to draw out of the hat, which tire compound they're going to start. Tom. Out of a hat, Harry, getting a bin, for goodness saying. Why?

Out of a hat. Why not? Because everyone just starts on the same tie now. It's got even worse since we got rid of the Q2 tire rule. Yeah, tire rule. And everyone just starts on mediums. It's boring. It's out of a hat.

I agree with that. And I would like put some sort of mandate in that you have to run the soft compound at some point. That's what I would do. Out of a hat. Nah. Have a day off. I am on board with Ben.

I would say that say we've got 22 races, you have to run the hard, the medium and the soft at least. I don't know five times minimum each at the start of the race. But out of a hat, Harry, getting that Wilkinson's being and stay there. You're getting guns. Five times each.

How would you do that? Just tick them off, mate. You just have a checklist. Don't run soft five times this. We've done. Ming of them Also, this is not kind of related

Has anyone seen you know Alonzo under the VSE pitted but when he pitted they didn't attach his left front properly so he pitted again

that same lap which it completely passed me by but on that he's on the radio saying I need to box again and they're like why and he's like

I just need to box again and he doesn't want to say anything because he didn't want the FIA to pick up on it it's like guys I need to box again he's a crafty boy

he's still got a point out of that after pitting twice. So, under the S. And starting at the back. Starting at the back, yeah. I don't wonder where he would have, anyway, this is totally off topic, but I just saw that clip today.

Sorry that you have bad opinions, both of you. No, it's all right. It's fine. So me and Harry both got gunged. I'm the only one leaving clean, yeah. Sam's all right. Dave Benz and Phillips has got some money.

Everyone leaves Happy. That's the late breaking F1 podcast, folks. Sam is very hot. Get us out of here. Oh, it's too hot. My feet are sweaty. That's how hot it is. I haven't got socks on.

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