The Late Braking F1 Podcast - Tier List: 2020 and 2000 Liveries!

Episode Date: March 20, 2020

With no live F1 to talk about, the guys discuss a tier list including all of the liveries from 2000 and 2020. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Thank you for listening to the Late Breaking F1 podcast. Make sure to look out for new episodes every Thursday and Grand Prix Sundays. Hello and a very warm welcome to the late breaking Formula One podcast. We're here not reviewing the Australian Grand Prix. We're not talking about any upcoming Grand Prix. Of course, as you all know, the F1 season has been halted for the time being, both the Australian Grand Prix

and the Bahrain Grand Prix not happening. Neither are China or Vietnam. So it looks as if we're going to be waiting a little while for F1 action to get going in 2020. But that doesn't stop our podcast recording and hopefully we can bring just a little bit of light

into your life as all of this virus takes over the world. Sam and Harry, we're going to be, we're going to have a bit of fun. We're going to review some liveries today. You're looking forward to it. I love livery. reviews. Well, that was short and sweet. Harry?

How can I not be looking forward to this? I mean, guys, just you wait until you hear the names of our tears, and I don't mean the ones come out of your eyes. Salty. Yeah. No, yeah. We've gone fairly silly with this lot. So we're going to be looking at liveries from the current season,

or the upcoming season, I guess, the 2020 season. We're also going to be looking at liveries from the 2000 season, and we're going to be putting them into five different tiers. We're going to take some sort of consensus. Hopefully we find one between the three of us. But you'll be, as Harris already alluded to, you'll be interested to know what the categories are actually called. So the best tier, the goat tier,

is going to be referred to as avocados from Mexico. Avocados from Mexico. That was weirdly sounding, but it was avocados from Mexico. The tiered down from that is going to be the Rubens Weber tier. Of course, that is inspired by Rubens Barrichello and Mark Weber, who always finished second. Apologies, guys. The middle tier is going to be the good tier.

So any one that we don't have much opinion about one way or the other will probably belong there. The Yamamoto tier. We don't know why we're taking the Mick out of Yamamoto, but hey, he gets his own name for a tier. And then the very bottom tier, the tier you don't want to be in at all, the 2015 Honda Engine tier. It might as well be referred to as the Get in the BIN tier,

but there you go. Those are our five names. Fantastic, thank you. So yeah, we're going to be looking at all of these liveries and putting them into some sort of tier. So I think we'll start with a current one. We'll start with a 20th. 20 livery. Let's start with the reigning champions. Sam, what tier, what category do you think you're

going to put the Mercedes W11 into? Gip2, embarrassing. I mean, if you haven't got it from that already, then, you know, you're an F1 fan, really, are you? It's going to be the 2015 Honda engine. That bad. It's disgusting. I don't know how one little bit of red. Like, you watch Sean on a dead right and what's his name Ray, whatever he's called, looks at Sean and goes you got red on you and then I've looked

at the Mercedes and I've gone you've got red on you and it's so ugly. It's so ugly. Get in the bin. Don't come out of the bin until you've learnt to erase red with silver and or a nice patroness style blue green

colour. Maybe magenta is the correct term. Not sure. So yeah, it's horrible. I hate it. I don't want to see it again. Hopefully they'll change it before the season actually starts. Interesting.

Harry, you putting it in that same 2015 Honda engine tier? I'm not going to do that. I'm just going to put it in the Sackon Yamamoto tier. It's not great, but I don't think it deserves the Honda 2015 treatment,

to be honest. It's not that bad. I know it's a bit of and it hasn't made quite a big difference, but it hasn't made enough of a difference to put it in, you know, GP2 engine, GP2 engine levels of bad. So, yeah, it's going on the Yamamoto tier for me.

Yeah, so, yeah, I mean, it's fairly evident that someone within Mercedes literally just got a paintbrush dipped it in some red and then just threw it out the car and it ended up being there. You know, it's just lucky that it wasn't on the very front of the car or it didn't, you know, splatter anyway. It was just complete luck that it ended up where it was. It looks horrible.

I think we're fairly unanimous in that. But I don't think it looks quite bad enough to be in the 2015 Honda engine tier. That was a bad engine. I'm going to put him in the Saccon Yamamoto tier as well as Harry. So two beats one. Sorry, Sam, on that one. Do you think that SACOM's middle name is D's? I'm going to put

£2,000 on the answer to that being yes. SACOM D's! I'm sorry, did you not get that, Harry. Oh, yeah, right, you're starting. How's isolation going, everyone? How are you all coping? We don't know, you already turned off. Sorry, let's move on to the next.

car. All right. So, not a good start for the Merck there. We'll go back to a 2000 car, I think. And we'll go with the, let's go with the McLaren, driven by DC and Mika Hakenen, the MP415. Harry, what do you think about that car? This is, it's a difficult one because it's a livery that McLaren had for many years. on this particular car, I think it's pretty, pretty damn good looking.

I'm going to put it in the Rubens Weber. The Rubens Weber tier. It's a number two driver for me. It's a solid livery they had for a while. It's not necessarily the most exciting, but it's just bold, isn't it? And everyone used to, it was like the Marlborough McLaren one, and then they moved to this livery. And they had it for a number of years, and everyone knew that that's what a McLaren looked like. So yeah, it's not the best ever, but it's a strong, strong livery for me.

So, yeah, in the Rubens Weber category. Sam, I know you have been against grey liveries in the past. Of course, this one is, at least in terms of its colour scheme, fairly dull. So, I don't know, what do you think about it? I mean, McLaurang have always been at the very top or at the very bottom where it comes to doing grey liveries. They had that brilliant, almost pure chrome livery when Hamilton was in the car. Then they created that odd black and grey red thing when actually they had the Honda engine, funny enough.

That was awful. I think this one for me actually, falls kind of slap bang in the middle. It's not the nicest in terms of the West liveries, in my opinion. So it's just going to slide straight in. So good, aka France Tost. Oh yes, I forgot. Yeah, a bit of French toast on that. I actually quite like this livery. The liver itself, I think year after year, obviously it was around for quite a long time.

I think I agree with Harry on this in the 2000 was around the time that they nailed it. Yeah, and also something that we have mentioned so far, the names on the side of the car. That is great. It's an iconic feature. Yeah. So I'm going to agree with Harry again, which I don't really like very much. But hey, thank you for that. I really need to reissue control of the board, don't I?

But yeah, I'm going to put him in the Rubens-Weber tier. So significantly better than the first, the Mercedes, which went first. Just for anyone that's curious, I put the next year's one as a Rubens-Weber. for the MP4-16 over the 15. But there you go. That's the only reason it didn't make it into the second place.

For what reason, can I ask, Sam? I think the shape of those cars just suited the livery a bit better. That's all. That's a fair point. All right, McLaren is done from 2000. We'll go back to 2020. Let's go for the Alpha,

the Alpha C-39, not too different from its 2019 version. Sam, what do you reckon about this one? Well, I'm meant to be the silly one, but it's just good again, isn't it? It's just all right. It's just me at anything I do. That's a lie.

I am the 2015 Honda engine at everything I do. Alpha is fine. I love Alpha Amayo. They've got such heritage, such beautiful cars. Their colour seems always been good, and that's exactly that. Good. And when you bring out Valentine's-inspired testing deliveries,

which look stunning. Brown cow, stunning, okay? They are gorgeous. I think you bring out that red-white thing with some stripes on it, which yeah, they look all right. I just don't wow me. Wow. Wow.

Wow. Can we get that as a sound by please? Thank you. I'll work on that, yeah. Regardless, whether it's Kimmy or Geo driving it, is still just good. Just good is the verdict from Sam. you've heard it?

I'm going to agree with Sam actually. It's another solid one. And Alpha have kind of had it and adapted it slightly over the past couple of years now. But unlike the McClough and we just have previously, it's not been around long enough to take it to Tier 2. Sorry, to Tier Rubens in this case. It's just good.

I like it. I think it's sort of livery. And I think it's one will look back on fondly, perhaps, in a few years' time. But for now, sits in the old good, A.khae, Franz Koste tier. I can't work out why I don't like this livery, but I just don't. I just really don't like it. It might be because of those, like you say, Sam, the liveries that they come out with,

the Valentine's Day inspired ones. I always think they look really good. And then I don't know what it is. It doesn't look, as I said, in the intro for this one, it doesn't look that different from last year's one. But I actually quite like last year's one. This year, I just can't want to it. I'm actually giving it a Yamamoto, but on this occasion, the two of you agree.

So it belongs in the good tier. Are you making this on another screen that we're unavailable to see? Are you just writing this down? I'm actually writing this down. This is why I love Ben, folks. He's just always doing that extra bit. If me and Harry ran this, it would be a shambles. It literally, yeah.

it will be complete chaos. So Ben, I applaud you. Thank you very much. It almost sounded like that was a sound effect, but yeah, fair enough. I've gathered a room of our closest friends and allies, actually, and they've just clapped around the mic. Ah, now that makes sense.

Also, social distancing, Sam. Come on. Anyway. Benetton. Benetton B-200. Harry, did you like the Benetton looking cars? I'm curious to know, really curious. Ben, let me just bear with me

because I'm obviously not prepared and I'm just trying to find a picture of it. So, yeah, hold the phone. I'm going to get there in a second. Oh, yes. That old chestnut, the big old blue, blue thing. I think it's a bold colour and it's a bold livery but I'm going to put that in

I'm going to put it in good again actually I like it. It stands out but it's not the best thing I've ever seen and I prefer the Benetons from like the mid-90s that had a bit more, a bit of extra colour on it alongside the blue. So yeah, it goes in the good for me mainly because I couldn't even remember what it looked like.

So there you go. No, that's fair enough. Yeah, I think that's pretty the big difference between that version of the Benetton and the, its predecessors, the ones in the mid-90s. Of course, there were a few more colours on the car back then. Sam, what do you reckon about it?

Well, if I feel 65 we're going to make a Formula One car, then I believe this Benetton would be blue dabber-dee-dabadai, because that's as basic as it gets, isn't it? It's a great shade of blue. Oh, that's another song, isn't it? Is that Steps? Deep a shade of blue? Deep a shade of blue.

Oh, look at this. We are throwing you back here, folks. It's not just F1. Yeah, I mean, again, can you pick something a bit more out there next time? Because it's good again, isn't it? It's just all right. Frank's tossed, living the dream with all his cars.

No, I think you've been. being a bit mean to the old Benetton. I'm going to stick up to the car that starts with my three letters. That's not a reason to love it. Yes, it is. If it wasn't for me, it would just be called an Eneton. No, it would just be called Eton. I agree.

That would be a reason to boo it. We don't want it to be called Eton. So respect the Benetton. I'm going to put it in the Rubens Webber. tier, which is ironic because, you know, the likes of Giancarlo Fizichella raised for Benetton, and they are probably very much belonging in that tier. Yeah, I quite like it. I really quite like it.

I think the mid-90s Benetons with more colours looked a bit all over the place at times, and this one's just a, I'm a simple man, I like simple colours. I don't hate me for it. I'm going to give it a Rubens Weber. Yeah, I'll put it in good. I'll put it in good for you. Disrespect in my name. Anyway, back to the 2020 cars.

Let's go for the Williams, the most dramatic change of the 2020 season, the FW 43. Sam, what do you reckon about the X-toothpaste? Now, a lot of people, might call Colgate to this next decision. But I'm going to stretch a little bit here. I'm going to really push and I'm going to stick it just inside the Rubens Weather tier. I quite like it.

It's got retro vibes to it. It's very patriotic. It's not as gruesome as last year. I think that also helps to see the change up between that awful thing last time to what is a little bit dashing now. So for me, Rubens Weber And I hope that George and Mr Latifi Get to enjoy racing it and it's actually competitive So yeah, I like it

It's only just in there It's nowhere near close to that top level And none of us have put anything in there yet But for me, just into that second place Hey, I mean the avocados from Mexico tier Is an illustrious place Not just any old car gets in there It's got to be special to get in there

Sam, you've just answered. Harry. Honestly, honestly. Wow. Harry, what are you going for on this one? I am going to put my first one in the avocados from Mexico. Yes. It could be because it's fresh.

I've not really seen it on track probably yet because No F1 at the moment. I just love it. It's just so simple. It's cool. And it's not as crap as last year, where Sam said, it makes a big difference. So Williams, you deserve an avocados from Mexico.

Would you say it's minty fresh? Yes. Why not? Wow. It's a Colgate pun there. Wow. He's found it, folks. He's found it going to Wilson.

Wow. Wow. Okay. Wow. All right. That's enough. I'm not going to give it an avocados from Mexico. Sorry to disappoint, Harry. You're right, though.

It is a massive improvement on the 2019 livery. I think we referenced this in our Pimp My F1 episode that we did a few weeks back. that it is it just looks much better and there's something very retro about it it's the one car on the grid that looks like it could belong in the 2020 liverys that we're also discussing that's what we're talking about is the 2020 livery should be the 2000 liverys

yeah yeah so I'm sorry you're such an idiot Ben such an idiot the disrespect in this place is unreal unreal All right, Etta. I'm going to put it in a Rubens Weber tier. So on the basis of two to one, that's where that one belongs.

But well done, Williams, a good improvement. I'm be curious to see what we all agree on that gets a car into the AFM tier. I've abbreviated there, folks. Yeah, yeah, that'll be interesting to see if anyone does get to that level. I don't know, maybe this one could be a contender. I'm going to go to the Arrows A-21 next. Of course, the famous orange and black livery. Harry, are you giving this one?

I know what this looks like, but I need to double check that it has a specific bit on it. No, God damn it. Getting technical here, folks. well I love the I absolutely love the arrows oh do you know what I'm still going to put it in avocados from Mexico I was considering not because it didn't have the orange wheel rims on it which makes it is that that makes it slap but it's still going to go there because I love it

it's beautiful what a beautiful beautiful livery and why a no I know McLaren is they've now adopted papaya but why has orange been such a shunned colour from F1 livery history. It's just rude. I reckon it's because it's quite close to red and Ferrari are going, uh-uh, uh-uh.

No, thank you. This is our shade. To be fair, Spiker did it as well, actually, and I thought Spiker looked pretty eminth. So, yeah, maybe it is because it right. It looks too close to a Ferrari on the TV. Yeah, that's fair. Sam, what are you saying on this one?

Now, everyone listening to the podcast in your car at high. with your family, get your ground involved. The Arrows A21 is, that's right. Avocados from Mexico. Avocados from Mexico. Brilliant. The little echo there for you as well,

because that's how much we heard it around the nation as you were shouting it back at us. Honestly, what a bloody, beautiful car. Orange and black is an incredible colour combination, and to see it on an F1 car, as Harry makes you Spike, Spiker also did. it, it looks so good, so good. I love it. It's one of my favorite cars of all time, the orange and black arrows and Harry is right. It slaps hard with the orange rims. It doesn't have

it, but I can forgive and forget because it's just so bloody gorgeous. So if you're eating a Clementine, cheers it to arrows right now and enjoy it. I hope it's got bitter. So, I mean, I have the opportunity here to give our first car a triple avocados from Mexico. I don't want to disappoint. So I won't. Avocados from Mexico. Play it. Avocados from Mexico.

Triple threat. We're all going for, oh, it's a beautiful car. It's a beautiful car, in it? It's so good. And you're so right about the color orange. absolutely shunned on the grid. McLaren are bringing it back, and it looks great on the McLaren as well.

So, yeah, beautiful car, arrows, well done. You didn't score many points, but you looked good doing it. I reckon orange is up there with green as great Formula One car livery colours for your base colour. Yeah, yeah, I think that's fair. Hey, hey, boys I found

I've I found another sound effect Oh God Sorry, we need to interrupt this broadcast Because Harry's found another sound effect Go ahead These nuts Gotty

Oh no But you'll be very sad to know That we've now used our limit Of sound effects So to have any more I need to delete some Oh, devastating Delete the pig one, please

I'm not going to miss that one at all. All right, next livery. Next livery. You're choosing it, Ben. Yeah, I know. I'm just waiting for you to stop doing silly sound effects. Ooh! Racing Point, RP20.

Sam, I can remember if you're a fan of this car or not. Well, folks, ladies, gentlemen, children of all ages. Yeah, I quite like it. It's all right. Yeah, Ruben's weather for me. I quite like Pink on a racing car. I think BWT have produced quite a lovely livery, and it works on a lot of different cars as well. I think the DTM livery. I think it's on the Mercedes works really, really nice. Well, yeah, it's really nice.

It stands out. I think shades of red seem to do really well in terms of liveries on racing cars, especially F1 cars. I like it. It's very different. I think they've done it well. They've kept it quite minimalist. I'm glad they've kind of ditched a lot of the extra purple on the side.

I might prefer the 2020 one over the 2018 one. So yeah, it's just in their own. about second place for me. All right. Harry, what do you think? I am going to put it in Yamamoto tier because it's not my favourite. I've never been my favourite on the grid

and I've got nothing against pink on an F1 car per se. I love that it's different. And better than the latter Force India cars we were getting like silver and black, they were dull. So I rate that. I just don't, the pink is just quite a pale pink.

I would like it to be just a bit more punchy as a pink. So, yeah, and I've done it for a few years now. I actually think that this year's racing point slash force in delivery is my least favorite of the pink ones they've done. I think 2017 was my favorite. So yeah, so Yamamoto's here for me, I'm afraid. Sorry, racing point.

Oh, well, in that case, I'm just going to even it out. I'm going to say it's good. Yeah, I like the pink on the car. I agree in that it's not my favorite racing point car of the last few years, racing point slash force India. My biggest problem with it is that if you were to go on sponsorship and sponsorship alone, you would think it is BWT Perez and BWT Stroll racing for the BWTBWT team with BWT Stroll leading the way.

Point being, there's a lot of BWT on the car. Too much, in my opinion. But I think it's good. You said to be WT about 20 times then, Ben. That was impressive. That's kind of the point I'm trying to make, is that it's way too much. So, yeah, I'm going to put it in good.

I'm going to even you guys out. Folks, in the comics, BWT, what is it stand for, wrong answers only? Um, Bodoa Ben won't travel I mean that is He's going to travel on Friday actually folks Yeah, very true

But in a safe and social distancing Manor of course Big white Turtles Well that could have gone wrong Right Um Very good

I don't tell about that one Just going to move it along. The other way, we've done the Williams, the current one. Let's do the 2000. FW.22. This was in their post-red livery years, which I think we could all agree that would not have scored too well on this game.

But what do you think about the FW22, Sam? Well, this is where BMW decided to take a stamp on the sport. Once again, I think I'm going to take a punt, 1987, what's maybe the last time BMW were in the sport before this?

I don't like it. I don't like it. I think it's very bland. I didn't like the Martini Williams livery, and that was very similar in terms of it being white and blue. This is going here as iconic. I much prefer the 2004

iteration of this livery. So for me, it's a pretty, low down Yamamoto tier. Oh, a Yamamoto from Sam, Harry? I am going to disagree with Sam, and I think this is actually of the BMW Williams. I think this is one of my favorites,

if not my favourite. I like the blue on it is a darker, more navy blue before it goes a little bit lighter towards, you know, 0,304. And do you know what? I'm probably just biased, but it, you know, it had Jensen Button driving it, and that makes it better.

It had his G.B. helmet in his beautiful looking Williams. It was so much better than the red one, so I'm going to put it in the good tier. Oh, all right. I agree with Sam. I don't really like it very much. I think they got into their stride, actually, a few years later. Even the year straight after, actually, the 2001 season, I just prefer the lighter blue than the darker blue, to be honest.

So yeah, I'm going to agree with Sam. I'm going to put it in the Yamamoto tier. The people have spoken and the truth will set you free. Yep. The truth is definitely that Williams belong in the Yamamoto tier. So yeah, the FW43 fairing a bit better than the 22. Back to the 2020 cars. Let's go for the first Fezzar of the day.

the Ferrari SF-1000. Sam, what do you think about this one? Now, when I saw it unveils on what was one of the most bizarre F-1 reveals we've had for quite some time, I quite like it, think it was a bit mental. I didn't like the show as much, but it was still a fascinating watch. I thought, don't like it. Don't like it at all. And then I saw it out in testing, and the lighting was a bit better.

It was something about the 2020 reveals. All the lighting was terrible. and the car looked bad and it came out on track and I thought it looked a bit better so this for me is one of the worst looking Ferraris but it's still a Ferrari

so it's just good it's just Frank's tossed all over for me lots of crumbs in the bed lots of crumbs in the bed is the yeah so when you have crumbs in the bed right it means you've enjoyed a nice bit of toast and you're in bed so you're comfy

but then you get that annoying after bit or you think I'm just sat in my own crumbs This is crumbs. This isn't going. So it's good. You've heard of a plate. I just used my cat. Oh, good old Ian.

What? Hang on, hang on. Sam, you're saying that when you have a piece of toast, you get your cat, Ian, to sit on your lap and you use Ian as the plate to catch your crumbs, which is clearly ineffective and then you're sat in your own crumbs. Well, the issue is. that way. Ian, she's a lovely cat.

We're best mates. If she could speak, she'd be on the podcast regularly. But after I've eaten my toast over Ian's back and head, she gets up and walks off and then the crumbs go everywhere. So, I mean, I need to come up with a bit of device.

Legitimately calling the RSPCA. Oh, well, that's. That's proper got me as well. That's proper got me. I'm going to put it in the same tier, not for the same reason, but I'm also going to put it in good, but only because I think it's a good livery, not because it has anything to do with toast.

Yeah, I think it's all right. Like you say, Sam, it's very difficult for a Ferrari to be anything worse than good. They have to go a long way bad for it to go any lower, than that. It's just, it's iconic. They look great. It's what they're known for. But yeah, I agree. It's not one of their best ones, so I'm going to go

for good as well. Harry, of course, the Ferrari fanboy. What are you going for? I hate that's rude. I... No, that told me. I'm going to agree, actually.

I'm going to put it in good. I think it's not the best Ferrari we've ever seen. I do like the matte finish on it. But I think in the you know, if you go for the past three years, I think the 2018 Ferrari is actually one of my favorites. So yeah, the past couple years, there's a bit more black on the car, which I just don't think doesn't stand out like white does on a Ferrari. So yeah, it's just good. And like you say, they'd have to do something seriously wrong to even get it into a Yamamoto tier Ferrari livery, I think. I don't know what they do, but I don't know.

Put some really rubbish green on there or something. Yeah, that is perhaps the only thing I can think of that we'll put it there. But yeah, so still only one car in the best tier, no cars in the 2015 Honda Engine Tier at the moment. We're going to go on to the Prost, the AP03. In Sampa is the first car in that Honda tier. Yeah, but you guys agree with a group. It wasn't that.

Oh, yeah, right. Yeah, fine, so sorry. Yeah, cross AP03. Sam, what do you think about this one? Well, it's not often you see Persia on the front of a Formula One car or the sponsorship of BICBiro's, which I used a lot as a kid. So, very practical sponsorship.

Never was a big fan of Yahoo, myself, always been a Google fan. It's a like shady blue. Where is this going? I'm just saying, It's alright, it's practical, it's helpful, it's good. That's it. I just want to say on the Yahoo and Google chat, my man Jeeves.

What about my man Jeeves? He is dead to me. You can ask him anything. Is he still going? Ask him, Jeeves. Yeah, he's there. Can't be stopped. Jeeves.

Are you dead to me? Can't wait to find out the response. No. Good. Is that what he said? No, it doesn't exist. It's just arse. It's just arse.com now.

What? Jesus disappeared? Yeah, they've killed him off, so he's dead to everyone. Oh, this is disappointing. Sam, sorry, Tam, did you actually give a tear for that? Yeah, I said it was good. It's all right. All right. Yeah, kind of got sidetracked a bit. Harry? Sorry.

No, that's quite all right. I'm going to give this a good. I want to be different to Sam, but I don't think I can. It's just a good. It's a solid livery. Yeah, the sponsors on it are, like Sam says, a bit random. They don't stand out hugely. And, yeah, sorry, Prost. It's just a good, just a good looking car, but only good.

Well, I'm not angry. I'm just a bit disappointed, to be honest. I think it's a nice livery. I really do. Sorry, Ben. Do you have some counselling for that? Yeah, I'm just a bit gutted. I feel a bit sorry for...

I don't know why that one's appropriate in any way, but I think that's a nice with a soundboard, to be honest. I'm going to put it at the very top of the... Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah? Why are you putting it at the top for? Hang on, you don't let me finish my sentence? Okay.

I'm going to put it at the top of the Rubens Weber tier. Oh, yeah, yeah, you took me down a coldie sack then, Ben. I thought you were going to put it in the avocados from Mexico here. No, not quite. The first half. Very good use of that. Yeah, I think it's a really nice livery. I know BIC really shouldn't work on an F1 car, but I think it really does.

So anyway, I'm outvoted on this one. So it belongs in the good category, which is becoming the most popular one so far, actually, which seems weird for us going for the one that is the least us in terms of tier names. Let's go back to 2020, the McLaren MCL 35, Sam. what you got. The way you said that sounds like you should be called in a horse race

or like a bidding thing. MCF355 is the car, right. We said we like Orange. I do really like Orange. Do I think it's as good as arrows? No, I don't.

I like the blue but at the same time, I kind of think the blue ruins it a little bit. So it's just Rubens Weber for me. It's definitely one of the better 2020 liveries. There's something about it at the moment

that isn't quite gobsmacking me. Landon Norris has got punched me in the face quite yet. When that happens, you'll know it will be on the programme, on the podcast, but for now, I'm sat with Rubens having a cry. Good stuff. Not the punching bit, of course, but the rest of it was all good stuff.

Harry, what do you reckon? I forgot what the car was. The McCarran, NGL 35. I mean, it's a... Yeah, the Maca. Yeah, the Maca is going to go in the Rubens Weber category for me, because we've already spoken about how much we love orange. I don't think it's quite as good looking as the arrows.

And actually, if it had been maybe last year's McLaren, I might have put it in the Avicadoes, New Mexico. So I don't quite like this year as much, although I love the orange halo. Oh, tricky, tricky. Now, I'm sticking with it. Rubens Weber, Ruben's Weber for me, for the this year's Macca.

Although, if we were racing, rating race suits, that would go in the avocados from Mexico because they're handsome boys. They are handsome boys, no doubt. I'm going to agree with both you. We've all agreed on this one. Rubens Weber.

It's actually my favourite 20-20 livery, but I don't think any of, them are quite good enough to get into that top tier. So, yeah, Ruben's weather seems an appropriate place to put this one. Let's go with the BAR from 2000. Of course, after the 1999 season where they attempted to have two different liveries, ended up sticking them both on the same car. They went with something a bit more conventional,

the Lucky Strike livery that was on the car for a few years after this. Of course, it isn't quite the entertainment of two liveries on one car, Harry, but what did you think of the BAR 002? This gets an avocados from Mexico from me. I love a white car. Oh no, please stop. It's out of control. Too many avocados.

Yeah, no, love, we've seen it with the brawn, which ironically is the same team as this, love a white livery with just sponsors on it. Looks mega. Lucky Strike sponsorship was an iconic sponsor for the early noughties. And, yeah, I think it's one of the best-looking BERs. The Hondas later on were good-looking as well. But yeah, love it.

It's getting a top tier from me. Wow. Right. top tier from Harry. Sam, what about you? I hate it. It's not fair that Harry only has control of the soundboard. Makes me sound like an evil villain. It's boring.

It's so boring. Lucky Strike is an iconic sponsor with facts of incredible tobacco-based sponsors. If you were to line up tobacco-based sponsors across the ages, this sits right at the end of them as rubbish. It's so rubbish. It's one of the worst BAR slash Hondas with Lucky Strike on it. The car shape makes it look like a box of cigarettes anyway.

And it's just got a circle on it. It's just a circle. It's boring. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it.

Thank you. So Sam, did you like that one? I run clear enough, it's a Honda, so. Wow. So. Is that where it's going? Yeah, it's in the bottom tier. Jeez.

Bloody hell. Two ends of the spectrum. The funniest thing is, I'm going to completely balance it out because I'm just saying good. Oh, for Christ, sake, bang. Yeah. I agree. with both of you to a degree

and then I stop agreeing. I think it's a bit dull but nowhere near dull enough to put in the 2015 Honda engine and because I think it's dull it's not going to go anywhere near the top tier for me. I think it looks fine.

I don't really have anything. It's not even a good shade of white. It's like a weird grey white. It's like they couldn't find white paint and they went, uh, what do we do? No one will notice because it's always overcast anyway. And it just, it's rubbish.

Wow. You have strong views about this. I never thought I did until literally two minutes ago. Oh. Well, yeah, I'm going to say good. I mean, because that's the middle ground, I guess. That's how it averages out. So, where does it end up in?

Good. Yeah. Yeah. That is a tragedy. I've enjoyed that more for spiting Harry than I have for wherever that goes, to be honest. No, that's, no. I think you're enjoying, John. Let's go Red Bull.

R.B. 16. Sam, what do you think about this one? Yamamoto tier, for me, I'm bored of the Red Bull liveries. This one, I think, is actually the worst of the most current spectrum of RBR. I think they hit their peak around 20. 2014, 2015. I think they're a really good thing. And then they've just kind of got a little bit darker,

darker and darker, darker every year. The regs fading off. The yellow's dropping back. It's just, it's a nice basis for a livery. I get that they've got a brand to stick with. And we'll look it back in 20 years' time ago, it was iconic. But right now, if I'm looking at the current season,

it's just a bit, it's nice for boring. And boring for me, can't really get much higher than Yamamoto. I'd rather have bick on the car at the moment. And that tells you a lot. So for me, it's like a top level Yamamoto tier. They need to get rid of like the purple or blue or whatever shade it is and just chuck something else completely different for like one season. And I'll gasp and I'll love it.

And then it's fine. But for now, eh, ne, eh, bu. Since Aston are having their own team now, maybe it could become Bick Red Bull Racing. We'll have to wait and see on that. I love to him. Big, make a shot comeback. That would be a shot comeback

I am going to agree with you Sam I think it's in the Yamamoto tier I am also bored of the Red Bull liveries There's just so many awesome concepts out there That every time I see one I'm like Oh just for one season Can you please do that? It'll look really cool And then every season they're like

Maybe we will here's a testing livery Just kidding This year that ironically they didn't actually do one but yeah, I'm just a bit bored of them as well. I think in years to come, we will look back and say that they were iconic, but yeah, it's gone on too long, I think. So I'm going to put it in Yamamoto as well.

It's gone on too long. Far too long. Well, no of it makes a difference. You've both gone for Yamamoto, but I think it's good. Because it is going to be iconic, and it's certainly not the worst thing on the grid. So, yeah, it goes in the good category for me.

I'm not ball of it. I'd just kind of, I'd actually be like, they changed it. I'd like, they didn't need to change it because it's always going to be like that. They're just red bull. It's like Ferrari always being red. They're always going to be that red bull livery.

So, yeah, it's just good. I'm fine. For me, if Ferrari make one small change, I don't know what that change would be, but I don't think it needs to be a lot. I think it jumps from being a good to an avocado for me, whereas red ball, I think they need to do something very different for it to jump up that many levels.

All right. Next livery. The Salba C-19. So this was the sort of combination of the light blue turquoise kind of colour and the regular sort of blue. It was a bit of an interesting one. Harry, what did you think about this one? I like this. And ironically enough, it's got Red Ball sponsorship, hasn't it?

I'm going to put this in. I like the turquoise and blue, actually. I'm just looking at a picture of it now. And with the Red Bull sponsorship, I might put this in Rubens Weber, actually. Because later Saabers didn't always look like this. It looked a bit different. And I like the white wheels, to be honest.

That's a solid addition to this car. So, yep, it's going on the Rubens Weber. Who drove the Sauba C-18? Pedro Deneers and Mika Salo. Well, that's a bloody line-up and a half, isn't it? Yeah, Rubens Weber for me. All right. Sam, what do you reckon?

Is this the car that managed to somehow have both title sponsors of current teams, Red Bull and Petronus on it at once? Yes. Wow. wait, wait, wait. Wow. Thank you, Harry. Fast one.

I like a bit of turquoise, and I'm blue, nothing wrong with blue, not fascinating, but good, and that's exactly what this is. It's good. It's not ugly. I might refer it to the current Red Bull, which is ironically, obviously, the closest thing to this with the Red Bull sponsorship. It's a bit messy, not Lionel. I meant like a kid's kind of drawing it. like someone's given colour between the lines and it's just got two blocks on it. So yeah, it's all right.

So yeah, it's just good. I would probably forget about it very quickly after we've had this conversation. But I do like it now I'm looking at it. Say you ever, Sam, you forget about a lot of things after our conversations. I don't remember a lot in life. Oh, dear. This has kind of gone like downhill as it's gone, really, in terms of Harry, you quite liked it. Sam, you thought it was all right.

and I actually don't really like it much, so I'm going to put it in the round of the way. I just don't think the colours work. Don't think the colours work. I don't care what you think, right? Don't care. I don't care what you think, Ben. Good enough.

Sorry, I've completely lost that. Yeah, I don't know why. I don't dislike the turquoise colour. I just don't quite works with the dark blue. Although it does get bonus points for having Red Bull. and Petronus on it. That's pretty cool, at least in today's F1 climate. So, yeah, I'm going to put it in Yamamoto,

which if you haven't worked it out yet, that average is out as good. So that's going to go in there as well. It's going to be a full category. Let's go back to the current cars. Let's go for one that we've only really just recently seen, the revealed Renault, the RS20. Of course, they used a black testing livery,

but they have released their proper car, the yellow version. Harry, yay, nay, somewhere in the middle. If it had stayed as the black testing livery, I would have put this in avocados from Mexico, but, and I like the Renault a lot, it's with the normal yellow additions, as it's not really changed from last year or the year before,

it's going in Ruben's Webber for me. I preferred it in all black. It looked so cool. Sorry, Renno. You've made it worse after testing. But never mind. You still get to go in the number two driver tier. Never mind.

You tried, Renaud. Sam, do you agree? Yeah, they get a shot. I mean, I've got to entirely agree with Harry Ead. Ugh. Yeah. For line, mate.

That black Renault in testing was so sexy. It's one of the best looking cars I think I've seen this century. And yet, I love yellow on a racing car, right? I think personally, yellow is the best colour you can have on a racing car. And I think the new Renault, the one we've just seen, is really, really nice. I don't know what it is, though. They've managed to not make the yellow nice and nice. enough. So it's really top level Rubens Weber category for me. Love it, really do. It's just,

it's not, it's not arrows at the moment. So yeah, it's that second place. Hmm. I don't like it quite as much. I've got in good. The black livery I did prefer, although I still wouldn't rate it quite as highly as you both did. I would have put that livery in the Ruben's Weber tier, but I'm putting the yellow version in the good tier. And this is, this is coming from me when I said last year and I think the year before, like the Renaud was either my favorite or my second favorite livery out there. I think it might be the nose that kind of just messes it up. I'm not really sure, but it just doesn't quite, doesn't quite work for me as the previous Renaultes did. So I've put it in good. Obviously, you two have agreed, so it will

go into Rubens Weber. Let's go for the Jaguar R1. Sam, what do you think? I was going to say, join with Harry the floor on this one. All right, all right. It gets quite excited. All right. Harry, floor is yours.

Well, for the Jaguar? Yes. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Avocados from Mexico. Yes. Avocados from Mexico. Yes. Avocados from Mexico.

Oh, baby, a triple. Gold wheel alert. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, jaguar, you're sexy beast. Look, we know the jaguar looks good anyway, but back in the day in 2000, they had goddamn gold wheels. And Ben, you're wrong if you hate them.

Sam, I can't remember your opinions on them, but you're probably wrong anyway. Love golfing Love coffee That goes Going straight to the top Beats the arrows Enough said

Hang on one more thing Avocados from Mexico Got the last one in there Sam the floor is now yours Harry Keep those avocados rolling Baby Avocados from Mexico

Yes Yes Avocados from Mexico Okay, I shall now explain as to why. Thank you for the fade out. Firstly, it's green. I don't know what it is, but green looks so good on an F1 car. We don't get green race cars that much any off.

Or what am I saying? We don't get green race cars that often anymore. There you go. English. It's hard. It's got a Jaguar logo down the side of it. I can't speak. I'm that excited by the fact.

It's got gold rims. Hello? Hello. Hello. To you. Golden rims. I want a gold rim everywhere in my life. Oh, blithy.

I want a gold rim on the toilet. I love it. I love it. You're right. It goes above the arrows. I love it. I love it. Avocados from Golden Rimtown in Mexico.

I take it about you. You weren't wrong. I don't disagree with you on that one. Sorry. Apologise. That's fine. We all make mistakes. All right.

Gold rims are trash. They look disgusting. They're tacky. They're awful. And so are the people who like them. Sorry. But the greater point here is they could literally have hamsters for wheels.

and it would still be one of the best liveries ever. The wheels are awful, in my opinion, but even those cannot tarnish the reputation of this jaguar. This jaguar is the best, without exception, the best livery of the 21st century. It is avocados from Mexico all the way. that soundable button is getting really used yeah I'd love to know how many times

that's actually been pressed throughout the podcast so far if you do have time and care viewers do go back and check how many it's been but we're not going to do that sorry moving on moving on Um, Hasse. Sorry, just to, after the excitement of the Jaguar 1,

just to bring it down a notch back to the Hasse VF20. Harry, where are you going with it? Yamamoto tier. Like this year's the best version of their black, grey, red monstrosity. But it's still Yamamoto tier. What a, what a waste of paint. Um, there's no good.

Um, yeah, like I said, I like it. It's my favorite out of the, the haces so far. But, um,

yeah, it's just no good. Yamamoto's here. Sorry, sorry, lad. Uh, Sam.

I mean, why did the designers go to any of the hassle? Hey? Hang on, hang on, go on, do that again. Do it again.

Say, say again. Why, why have the designers even gone to the hassle? hassle of designing this car it's crap. Okay?

Crap. It's Yamamoto, but the bottom end of Yamamoto. I actually like it more than the sayings because of that stupid red paint. But, yeah, yeah, it's bottoming Yamamoto. What's the point? What is the point in existing? Did you just say the bottom end of Yamamoto?

That's exactly what I said. So not needed. Do you know what is also not needed? The negativity from both of you on this pass. Of course Ben likes it. The hast is the most underrated livery on the 2020 grid. I'm putting it in Rubens Weber. It is a great livery and it is so much better than the ones they had a few years ago.

now they've got rid of rich energy, they've gone in the bin, but this car does not belong in the bin with them. This is a great livery. Take your negativity elsewhere. Ben, is it because they remind you of your shoes? No, my shoes are way more dull than this house livery. I bet you eat cardboard and you think it's enjoyable. It's got a good taste.

It's spicy cardboard. That's how bland we all think it is, but Ben's eating it like it's a fantastic Sunday roast. Hey, you guys have never eaten a crate of fosters before, all right? It's enjoyable. Carol. Fun fact, I actually witnessed someone eating a crate of fosters before. Folks, that's a constable for you. What?

Who? At a house plant. Can I be said. Oh, University. What a time. Move on, folks. Move on. Right, yeah, moving on. Let's go back to Ferrari. So the F1-2000. Sam, what do you think about this one?

Yeah, I mean, it's a Reg Ferrari. It's a nice Reg Ferrari. It's got Marlborough on it. They've done cigarette sponsoring much better than that crap other one that we had earlier on. Will you back off BAR for crying out loud? What does BAR stand for? Wrong answers only in the comics, please. It's red with some white on it.

Oh, yeah. Ben eight. I don't know what the last one was going to be. Ravioli. Brilliant agricultural reliability. Fantastic. Thank you, folks. If you could do better, let me go.

Tweet me at Lbreaking. It's nice. But again, in terms of, of how Ferrari's look, I don't think it is incredible. It hasn't got gold rims. It's not the 2004 that came later and it's not one of the

mid-teens that we've had recently, which is also lovely. So I think it's just a strong good. It's almost on Rubens, but it's a strong good. Harry? I'm going to put it in Rubens Weber. This is, you know, as a shimmy fanboy, this is the year

the start of it all. So I have very misty-eyed memories of this car but it's not my favourite out of the naughty's fezzers the Tick-Tac sponsorship we said earlier what would make it bad it's a bit of green it just doesn't work on there so

don't like the Tick-Tac sponsorship random sponsorship much better winning a couple of years they get Bodephone so it's going to here Rubin's Weber because I still love it but it's not good enough for an avocados unfortunately I'm going to agree with Sam.

Yeah, I think it's good. I think they got better. I'm sure most of its successes would have made it into maybe even avocados tier, but definitely into the Reven's Weber tier. But this one itself, I don't think too much of it. I think it's fine, but they haven't met their stride yet. So, yeah, I'm going to put it in good just to. inflate that category even more.

Going to the last 2020 car, I realised earlier I said that the Williams was the most changed car, 2019 to 2020, which of course is very wrong because I forgot about Alpha Tauri. Sam, what do you think about that livery? Now, I really, really like the Alpha Tauri.

I really dislike the second part of that name. The racets again, bloody gorgeous. They will be avocados. The car looks fantastic. It's striking. They've done blue correct on a white livery and the sponsorising so, so well. But I can't put a single 2020 livery into the avocados because they're just not good enough. Now, it is probably one of the highest rated rumours of all time. But for me, it just doesn't make the mark. So I love it. I really do. But we're just, we're just, We've got a couple other liveries coming up, and we've had some fantastic ones previously, and let's just say, it's just not as spicy. Not quite as spicy, Harry. Is that your verdict as well? Yeah, I'm not as big a fan as Sam is of this livery. I still like it, though, but I think it belongs. The latter end of the Rubens Weber category for me, and like Sam said,

there are a couple more coming up. that will comfortably beat it. But I don't think anyway it has a place of the avocados from Mexico tier. Although if we did it on their race suits, that could well make it into avocados from Mexico. But it's not on race suits. It's Justin McArso. Rubens Weber for the Alpha Towery.

I completely agree with you, Harry, actually. So we are in agreement that it's the same tier. I think we just didn't disagree with us to where in that tier it belongs. I think it was a little bit overrated on launch. people were talking about it as if it was the best things in sliced bread, which I don't agree with. I quite like sliced bread. So, yeah. I'm just going to put that out one.

Are you booing me or are you booing sliced bread? No, I'm not booing sliced bread. There's nothing wrong with sliced bread. Well, yeah. I've walked in. I've walked in on Harry more than once eating an entire uncut loaf of bread. So I know where he's going. Anyway, yeah, I think it is in the Rubens Webberty.

So we've just, I think that's, and correct me if I'm wrong here, I think we've only got two more liberties to go now. We've got all of the 2020 we've done. We've just got the Jordan and the Menardi to go. Let's go first with the Jordan, the EJ10. Sam, what are you saying? The EJ10 B for its full title. is the best looking Formula One car of all time.

Avocados from Mexico times a thousand, yes. That car is everything yellow and black should be. They have like a wasp on the front of it. Benson and Hedges. That's how you do cigarette sponsorship. Mastercards on it, don't really care. So, like, I look at that. I am gobsmacked.

That is, oh my God, it's breathtaking. It is the most gorgeous thing. And it's angry. I love an angry looking car. I love it. I love that. I love that more than my cat, then my girlfriend,

then late breaking. I love it. If I could make the bee in late breaking that colour, I would be tempted. So I love it. Best car ever created. Wow. So you're fairly sitting on the fence there, Sam.

Harry, what are you saying? I don't feel quite as passionately about the Jordan as Sam does, but it still belongs in the category. Thank you. Because it's a bloody Jordan. and I love the yellow Jordaners and this is not quite their prime

I think 99 was definitely their prime so maybe that one would go above I think the Jordan 199 is a slightly better looking card with a droopier nose but that's going to very technical now but all the same it's still fantastic still got

the Benson and Hedges livery on it iconic livery for a team that was for the most part a midfield team this had one of the the most iconic liverys of all time. I don't know if it's the best, but it's definitely the one of the most iconic. So, yeah, definitely belongs in that top tier category. I have also put it in the top

tier category. Like yourself, Harry, I did prefer the 99 version of it. I was almost attempted to drop it down to the next category, actually, almost. But I think it does belong, I think it just belongs in the avocados from Mexico territory. If I had to pick between the three cars that are there at the moment, I would say it was my least favorite of the three. But it is a beautiful car. I can't deny it. Jordan, around that time, we're just producing absolute bombs. Great job.

Thank you for all actually making me happy. You finally done it. All right. So, I mean, from one yellow car to another yellow car. The last one that we'll discuss today, it's the Minority M02. Sam, where are you putting this one? Any reason you put this one last, Benjamin? Nope. Random.

Okay, well, oh, I've just Googled it, and our late-breaking Daniel Crosman liver is on here. There it is. There you go, folks. If you want a little Easter egg, Google, Magnardi, M-O-2, and you'll see a 2019 version on the livery there, and our logos on it on Google.

It's on Pinterest. Wow. Well, anyway, sorry. We'll discuss that another time. I really like it. I really like it. It's a very odd lime green color. So it's not yellow,

and yellow is the big. color for a sports color of all time. But green again is good. It's like they've tried to do both, and it's not come off as well as either. So I like it a lot. Don't love it. It's a very strong Rubens for me.

Magda, you've done a good job. We always have a sauce spot for you here at late breaking, so you're a very, very strong Rubens. Strong Rubens from Sam, Harry? Is he there? Did. Oh, hello? I'd said, Harry.

Oh, you just had a strong and it just stopped. I thought you died. Yeah, it was all good. I'll go, shall I, Ben? Yes, please do. Okay. Yeah, I kind of agree with Sam. They didn't quite know what they're doing here.

I'm surprised they got away with this looking at it. It's on a TV screen, I imagine back in the day. It looked pretty similar to a Jordan flying pass. surprised I got away with it. I know it's a bit more limey. Yeah, it's not my favourite. It's quite, it stands out, that's for sure. I will put it in, I'll put it in ribbons.

Lower tier Rubens, but it's pretty cool. Not my favourite. But as Sam said, it's in Monardi. And we love Monardi. Who doesn't? I love Monardi. And I don't love this livery. I think this livery is rubbish.

What is it? What is it supposed to be? It's just a load of... Literally, some kid has just assembled a load of bogeys and put it on a car. Right. That has actually happened. Maybe someone's just like squeezed a lime on it afterwards.

What is it? I actually really dislike this livery. The more I look at it, the more I dislike it. I was going to put it in the Yamamoto tier, but I haven't actually put any in the bottom tier, the Honda 2015 tier, so I'm going to do it.

There's a lot of sponsors going on. None of them really add up to create anything you'd want to look at. I feel as if my already terrible eyesight is getting worse by looking at it. And that's literally from like 30 seconds. So I think that really proves that this is a terrible car, and it should get in the bin. I'm so disappointed.

We've ended this on such a disappointment. I just... Sensational. Now, you just imagine me and Harry at a bar in New York and like three in the morning, the rain's hitting the windows outside. There's cigarettes smoke everywhere from Benson and Hage's cigarettes.

We all felt really good. And then Ben's walked past and pointed to get the Menardi parts outside and gone 2015-Hundr engine. And then walked off, and it's ruined everything. It's killed the night. And I don't want to be here anymore. more. That's all right because that was the last one. Oh, okay.

I mean, to conclude, no, thanks, give me a beat. To conclude, there were no cars that ended up in the 2015 Honda engine category. We had a few cars in the Yamamoto tier. Most of the cars belonged in the second or third tiers, the Good or the Rubens, Weber Tier. But we have decided there are three cars between those two years that stand out above the rest. They are the Jaguar I, the Jordan EJ10 and the Arrows A21. And with all three of them, we unanimously agreed they belonged in that tier. So I think that's great. I mean, to me that means they actually belong there, right?

I think if only two of us put them in there, then I don't think it really counts as ultimate top tier avocados from Mexico. So I'm glad that we've all unanimously agreed. And I mean, I'm going to be very interested to know what everyone out there thinks about where we've put all of these cars. I mean, there's so many involved that you're surely going to think one's in the wrong place, probably a lot more than one. But I mean, which tier would you put those top three in? Would you put any other cars in that top two? I'm not interested. Right, I think that's our cue to get out of here, isn't it really?

I'm so sorry. All right. Yeah, go on, Sam. Get us out of this much longer than an anticipated recording. Yeah, we have gone to town on this bit of an LB bumper special episode, all about liveries, a favourite of mine. If you are in self-isolation, if you're going through a tough time, I hope you brought a little bit of light in this hour or so of listening.

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