The Late Braking F1 Podcast - Tsunoda to REPLACE Lawson from Japanese GP?!

Episode Date: March 26, 2025

The rumour mill is in overdrive! The LB trio consider the alleged brutal decision by Red Bull to swap Lawson for Tsunoda ahead of the Japanese GP, and whether it is the right call. They also discuss F...errari's double DSQ at the Chinese GP and Russell's bold claims over McLaren's dominance, before wrapping up with a game of Order Please... FOLLOW us on socials! You can find us on YouTube, Instagram, X (Twitter) and TikTok SUPPORT our Patreon for bonus episodes JOIN our Discord community JOIN our F1 Fantasy League EMAIL us at podcast@latebraking.co.uk   & SUBSCRIBE to our podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Thank you for listening to the Late Breaking F1 podcast. Make sure to check out new episodes every Wednesday and every Sunday. Welcome to the late breaking F1 podcast presented by Harry Ead, Sam Sage, and me, Ben Hocking. On this non-preview, non-review episode, Sam. What's up with that? We're just here for some good old midweek F1 chatter. Don't be fooled, folks.
Starting point is 00:00:45 That doesn't mean we have anything to talk about. There's loads of things for us to talk about. So much so. We've had to drafting a third person to appear on the podcast. Harry is making your appearance. Ola. Hi there, guys. I just realized I was like, I've done, I've been back since then,
Starting point is 00:01:00 but then I realized Patreon only. So you have to go. Only if you pay. Yeah. I am a pay per episode kind of service. Yeah, I like Harry's schedule is now Patreon and Sprint Qualifying reviews. That's it. That's a lot.
Starting point is 00:01:14 Friday mornings and Monday, Eapen's over. exclusively. Wonderful to have you here as always. Oh, we've got plenty to talk about on today's episode. No surprise whatsoever as to what is appearing at the top of our topic list. And that is the report that Liam Lawson is set to be dropped from Red Bull after just two races with the team in a switch with Yuki Sonoda. And that could happen as soon as the Japanese Grand Prix that is upcoming in a week and a half's time. No official confirmation yet from the team that this is happening. However, multiple reliable sources within the paddock suggesting this is a done deal.
Starting point is 00:01:57 Speaking to Sky Sports F1, Lawson said, it's just really tough, honestly. I think the window's really small, but honestly, it's not an excuse. As what he needs to improve, he said, it's just time. Unfortunately, I don't really have time. Red Bull advisor, Helmut Marco responded, he is right. I'm so sad That is so savage On Sonoda's form
Starting point is 00:02:20 Marco told Autosport Yuki is a different Yuki from the years before He is in the form of his life Obviously he changed his management He has a different approach He's more mature It took a while But it now looks like it's working
Starting point is 00:02:32 After finishing 6th in the spring By the way Sonoda was asked if he would swap seats For Suzuki And he replied Japan Yeah 100% I mean the Red Bull car is faster
Starting point is 00:02:41 Is it Is it? Interesting comments all round. Yeah, there's a lot to break down there, isn't there? It's not as simple as you think it would be. This really is not an easy decision. For many other teams, you would be like, I don't know, I'd say Carlos Sykes was suddenly asked,
Starting point is 00:02:56 do you want to talk with Kimi Antingelli and join Mercedes? Or he'd be like, well, yeah, well, I'll probably do. Makes total sense to me. It's a much faster car. This is not an easy choice. And the Red Bull Machine is now famous for eating up drivers and spitting them back out as fast as you like. So when you are proposed, finally, you know, after proper, like,
Starting point is 00:03:17 not even sloppy seconds, over sloppy thirds at this point for Red Bull, Yuki Sanoa is right down the back of the pile. It's been passed over by so many members of this team to finally get a chance to step into that seat. And that car is finished pretty much lasting every single qualifying session and well off the points in every other actual race. It's not a simple answer.
Starting point is 00:03:36 It's just yes or no. Yuki Sandoada is having a fantastic year and a bit now. Last season was a great step forward for Yuki Sandoah. He started this season brilliantly well. But the problem isn't with the drivers. Liam Lawson, whilst I don't think it was as good as Yuki-Sunga when he went up against him, was still very admirable, still a good driver, lots of skill.
Starting point is 00:03:54 And so well and junior formula, he even quite sassily came out with a quote and said, you know, I don't care about junior formulas. I'm beating him in all of those anyway. And, well, you know, kind of factually, that is true. He did a great job in Super Formula, did a great job with DTM.
Starting point is 00:04:07 But the moment you get him in that Red Bull seat, the car just doesn't work. And it's not like this is just a Liam Lawson problem. Sergio Perez, who we all rate so highly, struggled immensely in that seat. Alex Albon, who's gone on to be a brilliant driver for Williams now, struggled in that seat. Pierre Gasley, who we rate is one of the highest members of that midfield pack,
Starting point is 00:04:24 struggled in that seat. The problem is clearly not with the driver. It's clearly with the seat. It's clearly with this second side of Red Bull where the car is set up so definitively for Max Verstappen, where you clearly don't get a saying how the car is built. It feels a little bit like career suicide at this point by making that job, by moving yourself,
Starting point is 00:04:42 over to Red Bull because if it goes even slightly wrong, not only do you no longer get to have a seat in the Red Bull team, there's a big chance you don't get a seat in Formula One at all, and you are kicked out in an instant. So I love that he's got the willpower and the thought process behind him to think, yeah, I'm good enough, I can do it. But so has every other driver that's also going into that seat where they think they could do it.
Starting point is 00:05:04 It's not as simple as it looks. Harry, should Red Bull make this switch? Big nose all round from me on this one. Look, what Lawson has done so far has been a solid one out of 10. It's not been a great start to the year. Not a shaky one out of 10, a solid one out of 10. No, no, very solid. Not a bit shaky.
Starting point is 00:05:25 It's solid. It's been, it's been poor and it cannot go on. But there is, you've got to add some caveats to this in that Lawson's never raced of these two first two circuits. Japan, he has. I think you at least give him that chance to, to prove himself at a circuit. He has been at beforehand in Super Formula, as you mentioned, Sam.
Starting point is 00:05:49 We've seen so many times that it's other second drivers that struggled. When Perez even joined, I know Perez, Perez's Rebel career started actually pretty shakily, went up in the middle, and then went back down again. The first part wasn't good from him. It wasn't this bad, but it wasn't great. And they didn't get rid of him after two races. You're right. Rebel have a fundamental problem.
Starting point is 00:06:12 Ben's been ripped pieces on an Instagram post. We did a while ago about this. But you're not for once. Not exactly not for me. But you're right. They've got a fundamental problem here. They've messed up. And there's a really interesting clip doing the rounds,
Starting point is 00:06:29 which is actually from a little while ago of Alex Albon on another podcast, whose Christmas party we weirdly crashed. But he's talking about how the car, it's so sensitive that you can never. you can never match the speed he's doing. And the more sensitive it gets, the faster he goes and the slower you go. So there is a fundamental issue there that it is set up so much around Vastappan, which is obviously great for him.
Starting point is 00:06:55 And they need, they need, you know, he's going to get the results more than the other driver, I'm sure. But for this, it's not helping Lawson. And as we saw on Sunday in China, he put a completely different setup on that car. And it went worse. It went even worse than it did on the Saturday. and that as a point to be at is pretty bleak. Having said that, though, I just don't think this is, this is not right, not fair.
Starting point is 00:07:18 You've got to give him more time than two races. And that that is with the caveat that this has been a solid one out of ten for the first two races. It's not been great at all. But I just think you have to give him more time than two races. It's just simply unfair. And as for Yuki, it's a cursed seat. Do not go. Stay away.
Starting point is 00:07:37 this is insanity exactly what are we doing here he's done two races two and I look I didn't think he should have got I don't think he should have got that seat anyway
Starting point is 00:07:50 I think it should have gone to Sonoda and I haven't changed my opinion on that but why on earth are we discussing a switch after two Grand Prix like if you are Red Bull and you weren't if you can be swayed by two awful performances that Lawson's not your guard
Starting point is 00:08:07 you weren't that convinced to begin with. Because let's say, for example, Mercedes, Antonelli had delivered two really bad races to start this year. Would there be any conversation at all of them making a switch? They wouldn't because whether he's right or wrong, Toto Wolf is convinced that Antonelli is the answer, he's the future, he's a real talent, and they would stick by him.
Starting point is 00:08:30 Red Bull can't have had much conviction if they are already thinking about moving on, whether they do or not, it kind of doesn't really matter. they are considering it. And Christian Horner, at any point last weekend, could have turned around and gone, yeah, he's our driver for now. Like, we're going to stick by him, we're going to work through all of this.
Starting point is 00:08:49 And he's there talking about, I have a lot of sympathy for Liam Lawson and the media's putting a lot of pressure on him. You could very easily alleviate that pressure by just saying, we're not sacking our driver after two races, but he won't say it because they are considering it. I just think it's utter madness for Red Bull to expect anything else than what they're getting right now. They put a driver in their car that has done 12 races across two different seasons. Oh, and he's not brilliant. What a shock!
Starting point is 00:09:21 Of course he's not brilliant. That's why I don't think he should have been there to begin with. But if you're going to hire him, stick with him. At least give him a little bit of time. I just don't understand the logic. at all. This team is a mess. The downfall of Red Bull in a year needs to be studied because think back like 12 months ago, they are picking up from where they left off in 2023. They are winning races. They are winning races comfortably. In the space of 12 months,
Starting point is 00:09:51 they've lost key personnel, they've lost all their performance, and apparently they've lost their heads as well. I just, I don't even want to start on the audacity of Helmut Marco saying it's a new Yuki Sonoda as well. Oh, man's been the same. Come on. Come on now. That man has been an absolute wham
Starting point is 00:10:11 for about two or three months now since this year started. He's on a mission to just wind everyone up in the middle of time. No, shame. No, he will just say anything. Just hold back. Have a filter.
Starting point is 00:10:23 Please, Mark. Helmut, you absolute helmet. How aren't there more questions being asked of Horner and Helmut Marco for the situation that they found themselves in? Like, there should be a lot of questions directed their way as to why this hasn't worked. It doesn't seem as if that's the case.
Starting point is 00:10:39 Bear in mind, and this isn't a confirmed figure, but Sergio Perez had to be paid out of his deal for 2025, somewhere in the region of maybe over 10 million pounds to get what, two races from his replacement? You're going at 5 million pounds per race before you switch to someone else? That's real bad business. Like you shouldn't be in that situation. Sergio Perez is lying on his bed of cash laughing. Kind of and Kit Katz of money. Having the best time. He's part of some like residences in Miami now.
Starting point is 00:11:14 That's where he's going to have his holidays. He's having a great time. Living his best life because I've paid him off. I think I would be with like 10 million pounds. I think he's got more than that, mate. That's true. I think you were spot on, Sam, with what you said about this team having a fundamental issue and it not just being down to the drivers.
Starting point is 00:11:30 I didn't think Lawson should be in there because I don't think he's the answer. But equally, there were three other drivers that came before Lawson that didn't fit the bill for Red Bull. And Pierre Gasly has proven after his Red Bull career that he's a good driver. So has Alex Albon, Sergio Perez, proved before Red Bull that he was a good driver. Like if you are putting a light bulb in and it doesn't work, you might go, hmm, that light bulb might be a bit faulty. I'll try this one instead. If that second light bulb also doesn't work, you might think, I've been really unlucky here,
Starting point is 00:12:04 two dud light bulbs in a row. If you've got four dud light bulbs in a row, maybe the light bulbs aren't the issue. That's a sensation. That's great, mate. I was going to... Can you tell you, I'm fuming on this? I thought he was going to go for us or whatever.
Starting point is 00:12:21 Yeah. I was going to say, for Red Bull, and again, people will come for us to this, the concept of the Red Bull Young Driver Programme and working. If you actually look back and who it's worked for and when I say it worked as in they've got to the Red Bull car
Starting point is 00:12:37 and then gone on to success, I'm not saying people like Albon and Gassley who have found better form after they've left or been dumped by that team. It's only worked for Sebastian Vettel, four time world champion, Max Verstappen,
Starting point is 00:12:51 four time world champion and Daniel Ricardo. Yeah. And that's it. The rest of the one, the people that have come in, and being good, or at least pretty acceptable, Sergio Perez, Mark Weber and DC,
Starting point is 00:13:03 obviously back when he started. That's it. As a successful program, I don't think it can call itself that because it's produced two great drivers and a, you know, one really good driver. That's it. Yeah, a controversial statement maybe,
Starting point is 00:13:21 but I think Red Bull would be better off without Max for staffing at this point. They are going to come. for us. They're all going to come for us. I don't know where our homes are. It's okay. And this is no disrespect to us happen. He is the best driver in the world right now. He deserves all of
Starting point is 00:13:37 the praise, all of the good things. But as a team, as a unit, the deficit between good and bad should not be this extreme and they actually could, I think, more positively, positively balanced, positively balanced. Positively balanced. I can't speak. The overall points
Starting point is 00:13:55 that the team are generating by removing Vastappan, re-addressing how the car is built and how it functions and having two drivers that actually feel 80% comfortable in that car rather than having one driver who is 100% comfortable and another driver who is 1% comfortable and it being this such extreme.
Starting point is 00:14:13 An example of this, we're going to soccer football terms here, he's very recently, Killing Mbapé left Paris Saint-German and he went to Real Madrid and that team was his team. PSG was his team. He was the first.
Starting point is 00:14:27 focal point. He was the superstar and you know what? They struggled in all the competitions they went to and then the French league because that's a lot of crap. But the moment he leaves, that team goes further in the European competition than they pretty much ever been before. They play a better football than they've ever had and they work together as a unit. Is there something to be saying for should Red Bull get rid of their star to overrule become more successful? I don't know. That's a wild take from Sam calling Vestappen, the most overrated driver of all time. That's crazy, man. Okay. Let me out.
Starting point is 00:15:01 I love me a football comparison. Yeah, you understand them all really well, don't you? All of the sports balls. All of the sports. I love how passionate you're about Formula One. Yeah, all other sport, you are so clueless. I've got nothing else to give. I'm tired.
Starting point is 00:15:16 Cheers, Ian. With the Sonoda side of things as well, I just don't know what he can do, because there is a good chance that he would go into that seat and almost the same thing would happen that's happening this is why I'm saying do not do it sudden because does that have a bad look though if he turns down the challenge like is that bad look for future potential teams that guy had an opportunity to go against for stappen and win races in a car that the stappen's winning races in and he turned it down does that look bad i i don't know well look maybe but you the team the rest of the teams of the Palagon's stupid.
Starting point is 00:15:54 They recognize that it's a pretty cursed seat, the second seat of Red Bull right now. And I think most of them would see it as a wise move because look what it is doing to the careers of other drivers. Liam Lawson's on two races. I'm already talking about him not being there anymore. Perez is, you know, Perez, look, he got, I don't think it was a wrong move to go to Red Bull.
Starting point is 00:16:16 He was obviously out of a driver racing point. But he was unceremoniously dumped by the, his F-1's career has ended and he was dumped at the end of it. It's such a cutthroat team to be in. I don't think many team bosses would blame Sonoda for going, do you know what? I'm okay. I'm all right.
Starting point is 00:16:35 Actually, guys, I'll stay here. Pass. It's a pass from me. Because quite frankly, Anna Vestappan is doing good things in their car that isn't very good. If Minardi can actually remember how to do a strategy, I think they could do, they could be doing almost as well as,
Starting point is 00:16:52 for Stappen's doing that Red Bull. So I don't think it's worth points-wise for this year. I don't think he's even worth doing. Is Sonoda in a bit of a lose-lose situation though? He says no to the promotion. Then surely they go, well, what's the point? What's the point even? I know we've kind of already asked,
Starting point is 00:17:07 well, why is he there if they're not going to promote him, which they didn't when Lawson went up? But what is remotely the point if you're not going to be a backup option for us when we do go through a tough time, you know what? See you later. Someone like Colopinto, what the rest of the season, mate.
Starting point is 00:17:19 But maybe we'll pay big money for him. Yeah. If he says yes, and he fails in the. that seat and he gets kicked out at the end of the season. He hasn't got an F-F-F-F-F-Drive either. I don't even know what to make the Colapinto side of things. I'm actually just ignoring that because that's nonsense.
Starting point is 00:17:33 That's nonsense. Come on now. But it would be very Alpine to get an offer of a lot of money and experience for their reserve driver and then go, nah, you're right. They've got so many now. They need to shuffle them along. Come on. Out of the door, please.
Starting point is 00:17:48 It's like a school bus turns up and they go, which one do you want? There's 30 of them get off and standing a line. Do you think Flavio's like treating his reserve driver as like flipping properties? You know, like he'd do a property up and then flip it for a profit. He brings him into Alpine and then sells them for a profit. Caching. Soloway away Alpin can make money. Hey, you got to make money where you can in this world.
Starting point is 00:18:09 Fair play to you, Flavio. I was thinking about this the other day because like they've got an F2 driver, Gabriel Lini, as part of their junior program. And I'm like, oh, maybe there's a chance he can make it to F1. and then realize, no, he's like 12th in line. There's no chance. It's like the royal succession. Yeah, it's like the other 11 reserve drivers
Starting point is 00:18:28 so you could get promoted. It's like being like, I don't know, Princess Beatrice of Albin. Yeah, yeah. When you're born, you're like sick. But by the time like you're 30, you're like 30th down the line. Zara Tyndall on Formula One.
Starting point is 00:18:41 The Mike Tyndall of F1. Never can't make it. She'd just sit on the sidelines and have a good time. Have a great time. Oh, well. I didn't see us making a comparison between Gabrielle and Minnie to Princess Beatrice at the beginning of this episode, but here we are. Should we take a short break on the other side? Oh, no, there's more rage.
Starting point is 00:19:03 Ferrari, double DSQ. Good stuff. Welcome back, everyone. Obviously, you would have heard, or if you haven't heard, make sure you go and check out the episode of us reviewing the Chinese Grand Prix from the weekend. And we said a lot, Sam, about Ferrari finishing fifth and sixth, which didn't end up being true because both of them were disqualified. Ferrari put out a statement. Following the FIA post-race scrutineering, both our cars were found not to conform to the regulations for different reasons. Car 16 was found to be underweight by one kilogram and car 44s, rearward skid wear was found to be 0.5 millimeters below the limit.
Starting point is 00:20:00 Shal was on a one-stop strategy today, and this meant his tire wear was. very high, causing the car to be underweight. With regard to Lewis's skidware, we misjudged the consumption by a small margin. There was no intention to gain any advantage. We will learn from what happened today and make sure we don't make the same mistakes again. I hate when my skidwheres below the limit.
Starting point is 00:20:19 My rearward skidware. What a mess. As opposed to the frontward skidware. Well, that's even worse, mate. You know what that happened. You've made a real mess. Oh. Thank God for a for a lot.
Starting point is 00:20:33 is red and got white. Oh, good. Oh, no, it's a thumbs down from producer Gerstey. Completely valid. You know you've really messed up where you get a thumbs down with the producer. Hey, at least that's on record. Well, where do we go from here?
Starting point is 00:20:58 Double DSQ, Sam. That wasn't great. Yeah, I know, got the best result where it comes to Formula One. You tend to, well, at least your car's finishing. alone in the points or even on the podium. This is a really confusing one from Ferrari, and I don't think Ferrari themselves fully understand what's going on. Is that a spoiler to anyone?
Starting point is 00:21:16 Not so sure. There's a lot that's going on here. It's not as simple as just they're lying about tireware, or they think it's tireware, and they're too, I don't know, stupid to realize it could be something else. There's been a lot of regulation changes that have happened between the two seasons that haven't really been covered by us, especially, because we are not the,
Starting point is 00:21:36 the smartest people in the world, but we'll try our best here to document it. Essentially, the way the cars get weighed has been altered. The amount that they could be has been altered by two kilograms. And part of this has been adjusted due to the fact that the minimum driver weight has been increased, right? So they've had to adjust how much the cars weigh. With that component on one side, also this tyre that they rang is a brand new compound of tyre from Pirelli.
Starting point is 00:22:02 They didn't get to run it in Australia because it was damp and it never got used. They ran it a little bit in Bahrain, but for race testing, and they didn't run it in the spring. So the first time they've ever run this tire was at the race in China, and it lasted about a thousand years longer than anyone was expecting it to last. Now, that begs the question, if it was lasting that long, it surely wasn't wearing that much, so surely it didn't lose that much weight. And Pirelli has stated that when the tire does wear completely, which the mediums did in the sprint race on Saturday, you tend to lose about one kilogram. of weight in total after that period of time. Now, that will make up for the deficit, the Ferrari claim that they were under by the one kilogram.
Starting point is 00:22:42 But the tires didn't wear that much. That alongside the fact that Charlotte-Cleur, pity for his ties after Piastri, Gassley put his tires on, on lap 10. I think that LeCle was well past that as well for putting tires on. So he had some of the newer tires when it comes to those longer runners, and he was one of the only ones that was underweight.
Starting point is 00:23:01 But his skib block probably was wearing the same way as Lewis Hamilton's, and that would have taken weight off. You see the point I'm making here is it ain't bloody clear. No one really knows why it's happening. No one really knows what the proper reason is. It's going to take a lot of testing to understand what has gone on with Ferrari to end up being this far off. Fuel plays a big part of it. They've got to drain the car.
Starting point is 00:23:19 They've got to make sure that they're compliant without any fuel in there and they run as close as they can. And Ferrari are trying to find every single way they can be to be competitive alongside the car and Mercedes and Red Bull, of course. But by breaking the rules, Ferrari, you're probably not going to do that. that's not how you tend to win championship. So, yeah, a lot of work for them to do, a lot of understanding for them to do. And I sit here eagerly awaiting a proper answer as to how both cars were disqualified from the race.
Starting point is 00:23:46 Yeah, this was pretty embarrassing, Ferrari. It's good to have you back, by the way, Ferrari, because it's been a little while since we've seen proper, you know, true Ferrari come through. Ben, sorry, I interrupt you. I was going to say, do you remember after Australia, you were like, well, we've got Ferrari's moment of the year, year because there'll be that team radio.
Starting point is 00:24:05 Yeah. And then China happened. Yeah. They never had ever had a double disqualification before. Every single Grand Prix ever, first time this has ever happened. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:16 Yeah, that was my next point. It's the first ever doubles EDSQ in team history. So I guess Ferrari are still after however many years in this sport, still making history of one kind, even if it's not the kind they were intending to make. It's so funny that it's different reasons.
Starting point is 00:24:32 Like only Ferrari could have two cars disqualified and not for the same thing. That's just, that's beyond incredible from Ferrari. It's the first time now since the end of 2020 that they've had two consecutive races where they haven't been inside the top seven once. I appreciate the sprint happened, but I'm talking main races here. And they are a massive team with massive resources. They've got expert, well, supposed expertise in the building.
Starting point is 00:25:00 They've been around for a very long time. Their budget is much higher than everyone else. there's no room for this sort of error for the for the objectives that this team has. I'm not saying it would be excusable if it was Salber or Hass or Williams, but there's far less of a reason why it should be Ferrari. And I just don't have a lot of sympathy for them because whilst Gasly was also disqualified, 17 drivers found a way not to be. And Ferrari should be above all teams pretty much, the ones that are on top of this the most.
Starting point is 00:25:29 Ferrari's response was comical. Charles was on a one-stop, absolutely. So his tyreware was higher than expected. That makes sense. So was Piastri, Norris, Russell, Vestappen, Ockon, Antonelli, Albin, Bermann, Stroll, Sines, Dewan and Holkenberg. So just one or two others that were also on a one-stop. They all seem to get by OK.
Starting point is 00:25:52 And it does open the question. I guess you were alluding to this, Sam. Is there a wider issue for tireware within Ferrari than the other teams? The other thing, also, you should. shouldn't be surprised at a one stop in this era of F1. Like we've been here for a while now. Pirelli tend to build tires that are almost indestructible. I appreciate we were looking more at a two-stop here.
Starting point is 00:26:13 But if you're surprised at a one-stop in an F-1 race, you haven't been paying up attention Ferrari because they are quite common these days. And then the last thing is just there was no intention to gain an advantage. Yeah, there was. That's a lie. Like you run your car closer to the ground to gain a benefit of it. I appreciate they weren't intentionally trying to go over, but the lower you run your car,
Starting point is 00:26:38 the more you risk this sort of thing happening. They wouldn't run the car that low to the ground if there wasn't a performance benefit. So that's not really entirely true, Ferrari. Overall, all in a weekend's work. All in a day's work. Yeah, very true. Harry, your thoughts on this double DSQ?
Starting point is 00:26:57 Look, if it had been a double DSQ for both being underw, weight. You go, well, that's bad, but we've clearly, they've clearly mucked up across the board here, but for two very different reasons is, oh, that's not ideal. Yeah, the being underweight thing, it's something that's cropped up a little bit because am I right? And the disqualification that happened when we were in Cota, was that underway or was that skiblock?
Starting point is 00:27:26 No, that was, that was, that was fair. Fine. So the underweight was Russell at Belgium. Was the last, when was Cota? Was that 23? Yeah. No, yeah, but yeah, the last, underweight one, sorry, yes. Um, so it's obviously crept up a couple of times now.
Starting point is 00:27:42 And like you said, Ben, there wasn't just Ferrari. It was, it was Alpine with Galsley as well. And these teams are running, uh, running these cars close to the limit. Because if they weren't, we'd, we'd sit here and criticize and be like, while you're playing too safe. And that's just what F1 teams are going to do. And sometimes they will be caught out. Um,
Starting point is 00:28:02 But to be caught out like this, it does feel a little bit embarrassing. And as for the skid block, too much wear on the skid block, it's just, I read something, the Ferrari to get the most out, and then whether there's that much truth in this, but to get the most out of their car, they really have to run it close to the ground. And I know all F1 teams do this. They run it close to the ground.
Starting point is 00:28:26 But I'm like, if you have to run it that close to the ground for it to work, that's not a good way to run your car. Ironically sounds counterproductive. We have to run our car so close to the floor that it scrapes along the ground for it to be a good car. Most of them do, don't they? Especially when they're a heavy load. A max velocity.
Starting point is 00:28:44 Yeah. But not that much. So if that is the case, it's not great. Yeah, it's, I've seen quite a few Hamilton fans on Twitter welcoming themselves to the world of being a Ferrari fan because as a as a weekend goes, I feel like that really just showed the the,
Starting point is 00:29:04 the ups and downs of being in the Tophosi. So welcome Ferrari fans. Sorry, Hamilton fans to, to Ferrari. It's going to be a wild ride from here on in. I think, man, sorry. So I was just say,
Starting point is 00:29:18 something that troubled me a little bit with Ferrari was the difference in weights when they initially measured the Clair's car. They weighed the close car with the damage front wing. And they went and retrieved his. end plate and weighed it together. And then they were like, obviously, that can't be accurate. So we're going to replace it with the part, which we discussed being they had to replace that part for like for like.
Starting point is 00:29:40 That part had a 200 gram weight difference between the two. And they said all was accounted for on both wings. So something else has gone on there where their parts are not matching up either, meaning that they're further underweight than they're expecting to be. So that's also a little bit skeptical as to how that's coming to play. Wait, so they put a replacement for. wing on it and it got less. It was lighter.
Starting point is 00:30:04 Okay. I didn't know that bit. That's excellent. Yeah. I think the race were reporting on that is quite, quite interesting. That's very funny. Well done for Rari.
Starting point is 00:30:15 The good news is they did say in this statement, they're going to learn from their mistakes. And I did. Oh, that's a good joke. I did check as well that the statement was for this race and not for that Cota race in 2023. They made the same mistake. Oh, just accept sometimes you muck it up Ferrari.
Starting point is 00:30:35 Just who we are and yeah, I'm on de novo. Okay? You know, it's really weird that when we have double disqualifications, it's only Lecleran Hamilton now. Why is that a thing? Two different teams last time. I know, but yeah, so I've seen a few conspiracy theories as I'll just stop it. All of you.
Starting point is 00:30:49 Are there really? I've seen someone. What is it a conspiracy? Because they don't weigh every single card, do they? They do they pick a select. And it's randomly done every race. They pick a select few, but they're like, well, how can Hamilton be the scoreify twice?
Starting point is 00:31:06 It's obviously a conspiracy theory. Oh, he's always like a lighter car, is it? Yeah, yeah. No, no, no, it was a Hamilton fan saying that it's a conspiracy by the FIA. This whole conversation is ridiculous. Hirting my brain. Sam, in terms of the season as a whole, obviously, it's still very early on.
Starting point is 00:31:25 We've only had two races, 22 still to go. do you have concerns about Ferrari moving forward? They've obviously already got some ground to make up in that Constructors' Championship. I started to feel silly about my constructors and drivers' predictions now. Oh, same here. I thought it was going to be at least closer than this.
Starting point is 00:31:43 They are terrible right now. When they are on track, they seemly can't get close to both McLaren's. George Russell has kind of handing it to them both times in both races. The only time they showed any pace was in that sprint race where a lower thing's got changed between the sprint race and the main race, including the tire pressures that are mandated. So they're basically relying on the whole different set of regulations to be good.
Starting point is 00:32:08 Yeah, there is so much work to do for Ferrari. I think they are sitting as the fourth fastest car right now. I think if Antingelli was able to be fully comfortable, he'd probably be beating both Ferraris, not just because I think it's qualification, but genuinely on track beating them both. I think if you were to put someone even, 20% worse of the staffing in the other car that was able to actually control the car,
Starting point is 00:32:30 maybe beating the Ferraris right now. It's a bit of a dog and it's amazing that Ferrari have managed to go from winning multiple races at the back end of 2024 and almost winging the Constructors' championship by being really quite marginally closed coming of the year to nowhere, seemingly nowhere. They had one success in a sprint race and you never go. This underweight load-bearing issue might have been present in the sprint race of China and actually give them a serious advantage that we don't know about.
Starting point is 00:32:57 So it's pretty damning, pretty worrying. There is a lot of timing. It's a chloroac back and Geneva go. Maybe they will. But out of all the seasons to keep pushing your development right to the very end of the year, 2025 ain't that one. Side note, I love how Red Bull, Mercedes and Ferrari are all in this epic battle to convince everyone that they have the four fastest car.
Starting point is 00:33:18 That's great. They're all convinced it's them, but it can't be all of them. Harry, what concerns or do you have any concerns about Ferrari for the rest of the year? It's a little bit where I hate to say it, but they're reminding me a little bit of Mercedes in terms of where, where, what is their pace? Do they know what their pace is? Because Australia was a dud. They came to China. It looked much better.
Starting point is 00:33:46 Hamilton gets pole in the sprint. Hamilton wins the sprint. That looks very convincing. And then we get to qualifying and then the race and then it was it was less convincing all over again. And that's, I know there are, you know, there are nuances in, in how conditions, conditions change between these sessions. It's different, you know, different points in history. It's always going to be different results. But there was quite a change in between even the sprint and qualifying and then the race.
Starting point is 00:34:18 but just a little bit concerning for do they know what they're doing right with this? What do they get to Friday and they were like, oh, who proposition? How did we do that? So that, that worries me a little bit. I'm hoping that that isn't the case because I want Ferrari to be in this fight. It'd probably be more annoying if they were properly in this fight and then got disqualified. So I don't know. But yeah, I really hope that they just have a.
Starting point is 00:34:48 At the moment, they're not a McLarenan and being fast but silly. They're just being silly. So stop that. I'd rather be fast but silly, not just silly because that's just pointless. So, yeah, it's a little bit concerning for the rest of the year. I'm hoping that it does settle down a bit because it's been a very choppy start to the season. Yeah, they are already 61 points behind what is a very impressive McLaren that doesn't look like it's going to be slowing down any time soon. they're level on points with Williams.
Starting point is 00:35:20 They're actually behind them technically on countback. And three points clear of Hass, which isn't the start to the season that I'm sure Ferrari were envisioning. It is worrying because if you start from the beginning of last season, we now have two of their worst three results have happened in the last two Grand Prix. And we know how important consistency is in winning and losing championships. Like Ferrari didn't have consistency in the latter half of 2022. It cost them a shot at either championship. They really struggled with consistency in the middle part of last year.
Starting point is 00:35:53 Ultimately, that's cost them the Constructors Championship in 2024. And here we are again, the issues just present themselves. They need to figure out a way to just put together a full season where you can have better and worse results. But where you have worse results, the damage needs to be minimized, not completely maximised as has been the case at this weekend. We still do have 22 races to go. If they outdevelop the other teams, there is every chance they can still win both championships, but they will probably need that to happen at this stage. If they are on a par with McLaren for the rest of this year,
Starting point is 00:36:28 they are really going to struggle already to make up that 61 point gap. Let's take our second break on this episode. On the other side, we've got some comments from George Russell. Welcome back, everyone. Before we get into our next topic, I am about to ask a rhetorical question. Your nose mean nothing on this. Would you like to do an F-form fantasy update? No. It was a rhetorical question, it doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:37:11 I'm okay. I'm okay. Oh, another thumbs down. Oh, dear. Yeah. Not a great week, was it? Let's start with the positive news, which is the top score of the week,
Starting point is 00:37:22 which went to What's a Papaya? That's the name of the team. 395 points. It's all right for some, isn't it? Yeah, not us. Top three overall, after two races, we've got semi-hards on with five and six. I've never heard of the semi-hards tire.
Starting point is 00:37:42 I've just, it goes harder than medium. What's this semi-hard nonsense? Yeah, we're not going into that, mate. That's a different conversation we'll have with you later. Didn't we used to have ultra-hards on like super hard. We did. I was thinking. An ultra-soft.
Starting point is 00:37:54 Well, on. Her Dynamo is also tied for the lead, who was in first place last week. And then 50 Shades of Papaya is in third. A lot of papaya representation at the top of the leaderboard this week. Speaking of representation at the top of the leaderboard, let's get into us for who do not represent that whatsoever. I've managed to lose 198 points and I'm down to 520th and it's not that bad.
Starting point is 00:38:25 You are flying high. I wish I knew what that's asking like. Yeah, Ferrari didn't help me out much, but there's more of that as we get through. Harry, last year, you being in 1,093rd, and dropping 481 spots in a week would have been a joke. Not this year. Come on.
Starting point is 00:38:45 Top half of the championship. Yes, lads. Sam. Yes, mate. You managed to drop 475 spots. You're not in the top 2,000 anymore. 2083. It's not that.
Starting point is 00:39:01 Look, we've got you right where we want you. I'm not sure you do. Kirsty, I can only imagine that beef only stops scrolling to find your name about 20 minutes before we started recording because dropping at 891 spots. 2,176.
Starting point is 00:39:25 I think you've had better weeks Look I'm going to quote Yaz here The only way is up We're coming for you No there's about 100 people behind you No way, surely they're not that bad Yeah yeah there's over 100 people
Starting point is 00:39:41 Still doing worse So if you are any of those people, let's know I also didn't realise it was only about 100 people below us I thought the gap would be bigger than that Yeah I think it's about 2.2, 2.3K Oh, mama, I have to change this team I know this, I know this,
Starting point is 00:39:55 I know this will not last for me. I'm convinced because I immediately forgot to change my team for this week. But this is enjoyable when you're not last. I'm locking in. I'm going to lock it. Oh, this is where it starts. Cure Rocky montage. Me, changing fantasy players.
Starting point is 00:40:14 Just sat at your laptop. Punching my phone screens. I change people. Great. So overall, as a team, we are loving life in F1, right now. If you're not already involved in F1 fantasy, make sure you get involved with the link in the description, see if you can beat the four of us, and see if you can get up there with semi-hards on. They aren't quite up there, but they're close. You can get up there, folks. Come on,
Starting point is 00:40:39 get on. Right. Let's move on to George Russell and some comments about McLaren, because he thinks that quite quick, in summary. He said, I think that car is definitely capable of winning every race this season. He previously suggested that McCarran could already shift focus to 2026, given its advantage. He said the gap they have this year on everybody is bigger than Red Bull has ever had. Hopefully we can be there to capitalize like we were at the Melbourne weekend, as that should have been a one too. Vestappen was also asked about this, and whilst he wasn't committing to the Red Bull comparison, he did echo the sentiment of they are very far ahead. They're super strong, and he has a lot of respect for what they have done and what they're doing.
Starting point is 00:41:21 Harry, do you think that MacLyron has a bigger advantage now than Red Bull ever had? No. George Russell has clearly been to the school, Toto Wolf School of playing down your chances. I think he's teaching. He's actually a lecturer. Yeah, he's got a master's. Because George, mate, that's a load of waffle, son. we've seen, okay, first off, the gap that McLaren had this year is not the same as it
Starting point is 00:41:58 what Red Bull had at the start last year. It's just not, okay? I know Melbourne was a bit of an anomaly in terms of pace and with the wet weather race, but even in China, it was super close. George, mate, you almost got polled by eight hundredths of a second. Shut up. What are you talking about? So that alone, pace-wise, it just, it doesn't, that doesn't add up. In the race itself, you know, things happen in the race. One more lap on George's P2 in China because of Norris's brakes.
Starting point is 00:42:31 And that's only, you know, seven, eight seconds up the down the road from where the winner was at the end of a race where there was no safety cars. Like, that's pretty close in my books. I know China wasn't the most exciting, but in terms of the actual pace, they were all pretty evenly. match in that top five or six cars. And it's a long season. And even if you do have the advantage of the Red Bull had at the start of last year, to reiterate, McLaren don't. Even if you do,
Starting point is 00:42:58 we've seen how quickly that can change as it did in 2024. So, yeah, Russell, this is, I know why you're saying this, but stop it because it's ridiculous. It's not even close to where we were at the start of 24 or 2023. Mercedes are much closer than they are prepared to let on. It's almost like they're like, this must be a trick.
Starting point is 00:43:24 If we speak, it's over. Yeah, we must pretend we are slow still. This is just a fluke. But they are, especially in the hands of Russell, they genuinely are closer than they think, or are admitting to a let on on pace. And if Ferrari can stop being silly, then I think they could also be there.
Starting point is 00:43:42 so I do not buy one word of this. Sorry, George. I think Russell's doing a great job in what must be the 14th fastest car on the grid right now. Sam, what do you think about his comments? Boulder Dash, Poppycock, Malarkey and Tripe. Four words. The big four.
Starting point is 00:44:02 The big four. He'll know it as well. As a man of British esteem, you'll know what I've said from there. He won't recover. Cricke, he will be his reaction, and he'll sit quietly over and repop a team. for a little while longer, I'm sure. What a like a rubbish, mate?
Starting point is 00:44:16 Not only have Maclaren not won every racing events that we've had so far this season. They didn't win the sprint race, quite handedly didn't win the sprint race. They even qualify on the front row. And then when they do qualify on the front row, guess what? You were right there with them, Harry. As you make sure, hello. Hello, it's me, George Russell. The head.
Starting point is 00:44:36 I've slapped it down on the front row, sunshine. I'm here to stay. You managed to fight with them for the men. majority of the Grand Prix. I barely pulled away in both instances. Clearly, they struggled in wet weather because they were barely able to get away from the likes of Stafford until right towards the end of the Grand Prix as well. It's not all playing sailing. Yes, they have the fastest car. I will deny that anyway. They have the fastest car. Yes, they're favorites for the championship. Yes, they will squander an opportunity if they don't win both championships because they definitely do
Starting point is 00:45:05 have an advantage. But come on, one solid upgrade and some track conditions that start to suit you better, and you will be right there with them. Russell's having a flyer, he should back himself a little bit more, and I hope he does privately, because publicly he's talking absolute blather. On the fifth, bloodshy out. I thought we were done at four.
Starting point is 00:45:26 I've reached into the bag of words to describe garbage, and he's having them all to go. Essentially, he's talking Waffle, and he needs to back himself because that car is almost as quick as at McLaren. I'm saying he's actually a bit of a blinder over that winter period, and they are maybe the dark course
Starting point is 00:45:41 for some really solid performances this season. McClarang not as far out as he's on about. New nickname for George, George the Goldfish, because his memory is shot. The Red Bull were very quick. I know you don't remember it, George, but I do.
Starting point is 00:45:57 And it is quicker than what McLaren are right now. If we just want to use the Chinese Grand Prix, the actual race itself, that obviously Oscar Piastri and Lando Norris were one two in, and yes, I am not denying that McLaren have the fastest car right now. That is definitely true. But Oscar Piastri won that race by 11 seconds back to, it was George Russell, the nearest non-McClaren car. It was 11 seconds. I'll rattle off a few results from 2023 when Red Bull won a race. Starting with Bahrain, because Max Verstappen beat
Starting point is 00:46:28 third place Fernando Alonzo by 38 seconds. It's a bit of a bigger number than 11. And then if you go to Saudi Arabia, that was 20, Baku was 21, Miami 26, Monaco 27, Sparne. Spain, 24, Hungary 33, Belgium 32, Japan 19, Mexico 13 and Abu Dhabi 17. That is exactly half of the season where Red Bull had a bigger advantage over the next quickest car than what McLaren had at China. They do not have a bigger advantage. I know it's early in the season and maybe they turn up at Suzuki and deliver another great performance.
Starting point is 00:47:01 And 11 seconds is a good margin to win a Grand Prix by. Let me make that clear. But it ain't 30. It ain't 40 as sometimes they were threatening. Red Bull were threatening. So, yeah, you sound what you said on the Chinese race. Obviously, they were won two in the Grand Prix itself, but three six in sprint qualifying, two eight in the sprint.
Starting point is 00:47:21 Lando Norris took a long time to get by Landstrol in that race. Oscar Piastri was nowhere near Lewis Hamilton in that Grand Prix, even if it did weigh four pounds. And then one three in the main qualifying. That still wasn't a one too. So yeah, sorry, George, you are not talking sense on this one. Oscar Piastri actually had the opportunity to respond to this one. And he said it was far-fetched, which I thought was a very good way of responding to this.
Starting point is 00:47:49 Yep. He said, George is coming up with some funny things in the last couple of weeks. If he wants the right off his season after the first weekend, then I'll let him do that. But we're very aware that Melbourne was an exceptional weekend rather than what we're expecting to be the norm. These comments were made after Australia, but before China. Harry is Piastri fair to come back like that? Yes. he is and he's right because
Starting point is 00:48:11 I do think look McLaren do have the fastest cup I do think the norm whatever the norm you want to call the norm but the norm isn't going to just be McLaren winning every race and as he pointed out they didn't win the sprint race
Starting point is 00:48:26 and they didn't even get polling that and I know that's not a proper race as we will always maintain but it's still it's still relevant because it's not a dominant a dominant season by McLaren already because they haven't won that or secured that poll position.
Starting point is 00:48:42 So yeah, I think it's very fair to say this. As I pointed out, he did get poll in China for the main race, but it was only by eight hundredths of a second. That's how close it is. And that took Oscar Piastri to make the most of that car. And George Russell also made the most of his car. But that was not just he had the fastest car. He got pole.
Starting point is 00:49:04 That was a proper battle for pole. And that's what we want to see. And fine, Piastri did. and nail it, but Russell got in between the two McLaren. So, yeah, he's, a piece of fair to say this. Yeah, I think he's fair to say this as well. And George Russell should know perhaps more than anyone
Starting point is 00:49:20 how seasons can turn around. To your point earlier, just because McLaren have an advantage now, which I think is clear, that doesn't mean they'll maintain that for the rest of the year. George Russell himself, if you look back to this time last year, when Mercedes were not competitive whatsoever, the Miami Grand Prix, George Russell was 35 seconds away from winning that race.
Starting point is 00:49:42 That was the closest he got to victory in the first seven races. And he was 35 seconds off. And would you have said after those seven races to George, like, you're going to win multiple races this year. You're actually going to win three on track, but you'll still win two legitimately. He probably would have said, no, there's no chance whatsoever. I haven't got within one pit stop of a victory yet.
Starting point is 00:50:01 But things turn around. And there's no guarantee that that won't happen again this season. We'll have to wait and see. Sam, we also had some comments from Georgia Russell about McLaren's potential weakness or their strengths and their weaknesses. And it seems to come back to the tyres and how they are doing a better job in higher temperatures compared to the other teams around them. George Russell alluded to Australian Grand Prix qualifying were in the final sector. McLaren were able to keep those tires alive far longer than the other ones, the other teams were. But he did state that maybe cold temperatures could be a weak.
Starting point is 00:50:36 because of what McLaren did in Vegas or what they didn't do in Vegas last year. Do you think it's fair that those are the strengths and weaknesses of McLaren at this point? Again, George Russell, you are basing your scientific research of the smallest sample scale possible. You've had what, two outings on something? If someone was going to tell me that the way forward was based on two things out of a potential 24, I'm not sure I would believe their findings just yet. Yeah, most Formula One cars aren't built to be brilliant. the cold.
Starting point is 00:51:06 Mercedes, that might be why you've been going so wrong the last couple of years because your car, for some reason, does seem to thrive in colder weather.
Starting point is 00:51:13 Most of these cars will do better in warmer conditions on a dry track. The Seagis tends to be the exception in that manner. They have got good tireware,
Starting point is 00:51:22 but when they're on the mediums, you'll remember, of course, that Lewis Hamilton and the Ferrari, again, escaped the McLaren. And I know when pit stops involved and strategies essentially go from start to finish or one second tires,
Starting point is 00:51:33 but the Ferrari was better. And then the hard tires come along. Yeah, okay, the McLaren had a better job of it, but Piastri also had clean air for the entire race, so therefore could do whatever he wanted with his tires and they were seen when they're going to last for a very long time. I just think George Russell is trying to pick at any scene possible to come out with a reason as to why, the saying he's aren't willing races just yet. You're almost there. You're close enough. They just got a slightly better car. Let's do a few more races where we start analysing what are going to be the pros and cons of every car up and
Starting point is 00:52:02 down the grid. Let's take our final break on this episode. the other side, order please. Welcome back everyone to the final part of today's episode. It's time for order please. Whether it's a can of Coca-Cola or a lump of cheese or we're ordering drivers by the size of their knees. This game is full of facts, just you wait and see. This is Formula One. Order, order, please. Slaps. Six questions in front of me. And there are four answers in each question that I need the guys to order in a particular way, they get it right, they get a point. But if they get it wrong, it gives the other person the opportunity to steal and get a point. But there is danger in doing that because if they also get the order wrong, they will lose a point.
Starting point is 00:53:07 Harry, what number would you like to start with? Number two, please. Number two, I'm going to give you four circuits. I want you to list them based on how many times Michael Schumacher won. Oh, in the back. Oh, this is pressure now, and I'm not a tire. Thank you, Alan. Cheers, Mr. Shearer.
Starting point is 00:53:29 You've got Magnicor, Yomela, Monaco, and Silverstone. All of those? Yes, all of them. He won't all of them. That's a trick question. Magnicor the most.
Starting point is 00:53:51 Sorry, it was Imola Silverson and what's the other one? Monaco is now. Monaco. Then I think Monaco. Oh, no, I don't know if I do think that. It'll have a light bulb moment. I'll have two seconds, folks, you'll work it out.
Starting point is 00:54:09 Gagga Ben's fake light bulbs either. Yeah, this one I'll actually work. Okay, no. Mangico, Imola, Monaco, Silverston. he's corrected his course someone flip the switch then it was a it was a slight trick question because I actually just gave you the right order to begin with
Starting point is 00:54:40 Magnicor is eight wins imola seven wins monaco five wins silverstone three wins all right harry's on the board one nil over to you sam what number would you like five number five I'm going to give you four circuits I want you to list them based on when they first appeared on the F1 calendar.
Starting point is 00:55:00 Weirdly, I thought you were going to say, Michael Schumacher is won it. I should just do, that I've made my life really easy. Okay, first appeared on the F1 calendar, sure. Go ahead to my classic write them down because my memory is so bad. Your four circuits are Donington. Good. Adelaide. Good.
Starting point is 00:55:20 Hockenheim. Salads. My phone's correcting Adelaide to salads. Yep. Donington salads. Hockenheim. Yeah. And Watkins Glen.
Starting point is 00:55:29 Oh, big up Watkins. Okay. So earliest to most recent. Yes. I'm going to go with... This is the first time they appeared on the calendar. Yeah, yeah, I gathered. That'd be weird if it was the second.
Starting point is 00:55:46 Well, it could be like when they last appeared on the calendar. Oh, that's fair. Yeah. Okay. First, I'm going to go Watkins Glen. now we go Donington, then Hockenheim, then Adelaide. That's not the correct answer. Harry, would you like to try and steal a point?
Starting point is 00:56:05 No. Fair. Correct starts the list. Watkins Glen was first in 1961, then it's Hockenheim, 1970, Adelaide, 1985, and then Donington, 1993. Well, forget them next time. For one time only. Yes.
Starting point is 00:56:25 Yeah. That wasn't the second time that Donington was on the circuit because it was just once. 1-0, Harry, back to you. Oh, no, numbers four. I pick five every time because it always mentally goes for five. So I pick it to confuse him. It's a tactic behind it.
Starting point is 00:56:44 I love how there's four numbers you can choose from. There's only two that you can't put out there. But number four is an option. I'm going to give you four constructors. I want you to list them based on how many points they've scored in F1. Just to know one of these four constructors is active, and I wrote this before they scored some more points, but it doesn't change the order.
Starting point is 00:57:07 Okay. So you've got Aston Martin. Yep. Menardi. Menardi, not the current guys. No, the actual Menardy. Actual Menardi. Okay.
Starting point is 00:57:21 Jordan. And Braun. laddie out, Jordan on the list twice. When I deserve to be. What I deserve to be. Put a spiker on there, shouldn't they? So the most... The most, I'll go for Jordan,
Starting point is 00:57:42 then Aston Martin, then Braun, then... The other one. Monardi. Minardi. That isn't... the correct answer.
Starting point is 00:57:58 Sam, would you like to try and steal a point? You know what you think? Okay, I might steal and I've got an order in my mind and then he reads out the exact order that you've got in your mind. I will give it a steal. Why not? Why not? Do it for the fans. Do it for the people. Okay, so you said Jordan,
Starting point is 00:58:16 Aston Martin, who the other team I'm thinking of, Brong, Brawl? Should I like it, white? Should I like it, wrong? Oh, that's nicely. Okay, how am I going to steal? This is the question.
Starting point is 00:58:33 By giving it a different answer. I think it's going to be a simple swap. So Jordan's still at the top. Then it's going to be brawung, Ashton Martin, Menardy. It is a simple swap. It's just not a wrong one. Aston Martin are first on the list. Really?
Starting point is 00:58:53 560, well, is 506 added on to whatever they scored at China. Then comes Jordan on 291, then Braun on 172, Menardi on 38. Bloody modern point scoring system. I know, and I was like, oh yeah, but surely not. I wasn't around that long. That'd be that good. Jordan of won races. For Clarenot, crying out loud.
Starting point is 00:59:16 Never mind. Sam, back to you to get back to zero points. It's my favorite place to be to get myself back up to zero. I'll have number one, please, Ben. Number one. Four drivers, I want you to list them based on how many laps they raced in their career. Oh, have you worked this out, little dweeb?
Starting point is 00:59:36 No, I didn't work this out. Just going through like every Grand Prix, like we retired from that once, that's zero. Four. Every lap. F1TV archive, just going through all of them. No, I didn't manually calculate this. You'll be glad to hear.
Starting point is 00:59:52 Your four drivers are, David Coulthard. Oh, the most ever. Rubens Barakello. Yep. Second most ever. Yep. Alcivottas.
Starting point is 01:00:03 Yeah. And Alan Frost. Big Prozzy. No. No. No. No, no. All the nose.
Starting point is 01:00:12 Sorry, Alan. New. All. Yeah. New. Cricy. Ooh. Oh.
Starting point is 01:00:20 Oh. What a cool. Okay. Okay. Barichello, then Prost, then Bottas, then Cautard. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, take it back to him. Oh, he's flustered by his comments. I am. I am all over the place.
Starting point is 01:00:35 Barichello, Pross, Cautar, Bottas. Not the right order. Harry, would you like to try and steal? No, I'd like to move on from this question immediately. Barichello is first 16,631, then Bottas on 13,859. Coolthard, 12,394, and then Prost is fourth with 10,540. Prost gets a touch grass or something. Okay, moving on from Prost.
Starting point is 01:01:02 He's taken too many straight already today. Harry, there are two numbers that you can pick here. Which one would you like? Number three. Is it because you didn't know the other one? Yes. I knew it. I swear I saw your brain go, crap, he's picked one.
Starting point is 01:01:19 We have not said the three one yet. It must be that one. Four drivers, I want you to list them based on how many times they finished runner up in the Drivers Championship. Oh, Riley. So you've got Valtrey Bottas again, Lewis Hamilton, Mika Hakenen,
Starting point is 01:01:38 and Alan Prost again. Hey! Oh, God, poor boy. Back in the house. Right. I will go for first, I'll go for Lewis Hamilton.
Starting point is 01:02:02 Then, oh, oh, crap. Oh, crap. Then I'll go for Alan Prost. If you do a little dance or a song or something, it usually helps me, thinking. Mel, F1. It all began 75 years ago. Oh, boy, the cars, yes, the cars. And within them, there are drivers.
Starting point is 01:02:34 With all the limbs. Hamilton, Prost, Haken and Bottas. See, look at that. You're going to answer immediately. Yeah, but I don't. It hasn't worked, though. Shockingly, not work. I bet John Burko got a bit of a run out to start the game
Starting point is 01:02:53 because he hasn't had much to do since. I'm afraid that's not correct. Harry, no, Sam, would you like to try and steal? Yes, can I have the drivers, please? So it was Hamilton, Prost. Can I have the order, please? Hamilton, Prost, Hackinging. Botas was the other one.
Starting point is 01:03:08 Bottas. It's basically the same line. It was the other bloody question. Only Barrichello is different. And Coolthod. Oh, yeah. Sorry, Kultzad. Sam can't see the difference in Korthod and Hamilton.
Starting point is 01:03:18 Both goats. You have it defeated. Most rungers up. I'm going to say Prost. Then I'm going to say Hamilton. Then I'm going to say Hacking and then Bottas. I thought you had it, man. I thought you had it.
Starting point is 01:03:35 That's two the other way around. Frost four times, 1983, 84, 88 and 1990. Then it's Hamilton three times 2007, 2016 and 2021. Botas was runner up in 2019 and 2020. Hackanam was only runner up in 2000. Oh, I do love myself a good minus two, you know. It feels correct.
Starting point is 01:03:59 You have an opportunity to get back to minus one with this last question, which is, Harry, what was the number that? Yeah, what's that number that I need to choose, mate? Six. Way! Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I'll have on the six, please, Ben. Four drivers.
Starting point is 01:04:15 Number of poles for different constructors. So you've got... What colour leaves the sky first? You've got Sebastian Vettel. Right. Damon Hill. Big deal. some button
Starting point is 01:04:30 big butt and Ralph Schumacher Big mouth I think we need a temporary ban on Sam making nicknames of drivers
Starting point is 01:04:42 No I'm never giving Alan Prost as an answer again Big Puzzies I will purposely avoid him in any category
Starting point is 01:04:54 sorry Alan right polls for different constructors Yeah. Why did you have to throw the big mouth in there? I think that's appropriate. The big mouth is inappropriate.
Starting point is 01:05:07 Um, oh, baby. Okay, the numbers are pretty slim because these guys are only good with one or two teams. Oh, God, here we go. You might be looking at a four, three, two, one situation here, wing, wing. Yeah, cheers for that, mate. That's for him to get a point.
Starting point is 01:05:31 I want to get a point. Vettel most. Ralph Butthill. Great sentence, but an incorrect answer. Oh, well, Harry. Do you want to try and steal? Go on then. Sorry, they're followed by an answer.
Starting point is 01:05:53 Yeah, yeah, then the answer. Sorry. The most, I'll go for, Jensen Button. You only drove for one team his old career. I know. One season.
Starting point is 01:06:09 I forgot. No, they are. Ralph Schemecker Hill. Etel and Damon Hill. Vettel, sorry, Fettel. Oh, now and I am. Yes, sorry, the most Jensen button. Then I'll go for
Starting point is 01:06:22 Sebby Vett, then Ralphie, then Dill. we started the game with Burko Banger. We'll end the game with Buh. God, I tell you, if I didn't bring the laughs, I really would be bringing anything. Absolute waste of space sometimes.
Starting point is 01:06:48 I mean, you're right that Button did drive for just one team, but they changed about three times whilst you go. That's what I meant. Yeah. Who do you get polls with? Brawn McLaren, Honda. Honda, B-A-R. Oh, and Barr.
Starting point is 01:07:06 Poop. So, Harry, take the win. Well done, sir. Thank you. And I've got an idea for a segment. I don't know if it'll catch on, but I have got an idea for another segment we could do. And I'm thinking it could be the greatest segment in all of podcasting.
Starting point is 01:07:25 It is, of course. The LB Question of the week. Threw me off that, Ben, because you can say the. Yeah, so you said it instead, Sam. I had to. I had to fill in it. I think grammatical sex, I know, I changed the name of the topic.
Starting point is 01:07:45 It was the LB question of the week last week. It's only LB question of the week now. A slight rebrand. Great stuff. That will pop off, queen. Do you even understand marketing, man? Like, how about? I'm not Zach Brown.
Starting point is 01:07:56 Come on. LB question of the week. I'll be real, folks. This one, it's got out of hand. Yeah. And we knew it was going to. We can't really,
Starting point is 01:08:07 I can't really say that we didn't see this coming. we did and we still went ahead with it anyway. We asked the question, if the Red Bull second seat had a dating profile, what would it's bio be? And some of you are really funny and some of you are really funny and not getting red.
Starting point is 01:08:24 There's a couple on there. You know who you are. And we laughed, but we cannot say those words. I really like this one. I'm going to kick off with Aza on Instagram, all in capital. So you've got to say it. a bit louder.
Starting point is 01:08:41 I'm not built like the others, baby. I'm what easy a handle? Young guys only. Goodness me. I'll go for one. I pointed this one out to you yesterday from niche. Couple looking for a third. Needs to keep pace with the current guy for best results.
Starting point is 01:08:57 Current guy is pretty great though, so at least finish kind of close to him. On Saturdays, you need to last longer than 18 minutes on a bad day, preferably 45 minutes on a good day. Sundays, we need you for the full two hours of fun. Get that stammering, my boy. Again, these are the ones we deem okay.
Starting point is 01:09:14 These are acceptable. Yeah. I'm going to really push the boundaries here. This one is from Dwayne K on Instagram. You'll never have to worry about me, finishing first. Oh, those boundaries be pushed. My favorite answer came from Leanne on Instagram, who said, if you can't handle me at my worst, then leave because I don't have a best.
Starting point is 01:09:38 I'm always awful. That is my self-esteem. Music Eater on Instagram. If you can hold your own against my twin brother, then you're part of the family. Oh. Oh, I didn't expect an Alabama person to submit, but okay. Even on the sorcerest of question of the weeks, C&C machine is still there. 2,320.
Starting point is 01:10:06 You know what, bring it. I'm embracing it. I'm getting ready for the fight now. I've got the point of No, I'm going to get annihilated, but you know But we don't know if it's going to be We don't know what it's going to be It could just be a present
Starting point is 01:10:17 I would love a present The present would be knowing what it is I love gifts If you're going to send this one We have got a PO box It's down below People can send us anything you like R1 Fan 14 said
Starting point is 01:10:29 Here for a hard time No a long time Yeah, good stuff Final one from me Because I have to get an office referencing If I can This is from Maud No question about it
Starting point is 01:10:39 I'm ready to be hurt again. I've got, there's one from Rachel. I don't think I can read it. It's quite funny though. The last one for me is from Colin, which is DTF, doomed to fail. Yeah, fair. Which is famously what DTF stands for.
Starting point is 01:10:57 Don't look at off on the dictionary. Oh, dear. There are some really great ones on here that we just can't say. We've had to kick a lot off air. But go on to our Instagram and find them. because there are some, there are, you've got some dirty minds.
Starting point is 01:11:14 I really think this podcast needs to come to an end. And I don't just mean for this episode, I think we might be done after this one. This felt like the bottom of the barrel. We got there though. Sam will be back on Sunday though. Well, you will be.
Starting point is 01:11:28 I'm not going to be here. So folks, I can't wait until once again hear the outro of Ben and Harry. Birthday shoutouts can be read out by them as well. So if you're a March baby like myself, they enjoy that wonderful praise from these two. Thanks for listening to do join them for the end of week episode. We'll be back again next week properly for the Japanese preview and review.
Starting point is 01:11:48 If you want to hear more content, you think, oh, I've got enough F1 in my life, I want some more. Patreon, we'll link in the description. We're about to record beer, we're breaking. That's where we crack over a couple of cold ones, and we get a little bit silly, that's for sure. Yeah, wait. Yeah. It's the serious part. Harry has drunk.
Starting point is 01:12:05 Yeah, and I didn't, I wasn't the one who said, uh, prozzy, so it's fine. Oh, there it's again. And on that, go, keep going, that's... I don't give you this my life. I think Samuel Sage. I've been Ben Hocking and I've been butthill. Remember, keep breaking late. Christ.
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