The Late Braking F1 Podcast - Vasseur is the new Ferrari Team Principal - the right call?

Episode Date: December 14, 2022

It's F1 Team Principal musical chairs! The LB Boys discuss the news that Capito is out at Williams, Vasseur is in at Ferrari, and Seidl is off to McLaren. They also then play LBillionaire... JOIN our Discord: https://discord.gg/dQJdu2SbAm SUPPORT our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/latebraking TWEET us @LBraking BUY our merch: https://late-braking-f1-podcast.creator-spring.com/ SUBSCRIBE to our podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices EXCLUSIVE NordVPN Deal https://nordvpn.com/lbf1 Try it risk-free now with a 30-day money-back guarantee! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hello and a very warm welcome to the Late Breaking F1 podcast presented by Harry Ead, Sam Sage and me, Ben Hocking. We're in the midst of the merry-go-round season, the musical chair season, but not for drivers for once, instead for team principals. but a massive congratulations from the three of us to all of you team principles that are moving because you have done so on a Tuesday when we are also recording on a Tuesday congratulations

Sam do you know what I could do with right now a bit of marzipan oh is that so do you fancy some marzipan well you're in luck because I went to Sainsbury so folks just will be completely cranks Barrett we've tried this already once and it failed and I've already shown the boys my massive packet of marzipan

that I have here. That sounds like a euphemism. My massive packet of marzipan was two pounds. It's been reduced to 409p and it's delicious. It's white marzipan, ready to roll. I'm just having the old slab to myself

in big gob, like a really, really unhealthy man. Perfect for decorating fruitcake. It's perfect for decorating the inside of my mouth, that's for sure. Anyway, always with the debate. That was, yeah, folks, was the second time you've done the marzipan intro and arguably it was worse.

It's always worse. It always gets worse. Is it trying to get to see a Hasse? Well, nice. It could probably do a great job at Ranging Huss. Oof. So much. Did it want to get the Nikita Mazepan joke?

Did they get it? When you have to explain a joke, it's always that it's funniest. But yes, just to clarify, folks, that's what I meant. Well done. So that is going to lead today's show. Quick rundown before we get into today's episode, because it is coming up to the festive season, and just a bit of a summary of what you can expect from your favorite F1 podcast,

we hope, over the next few weeks. I know, very generous indeed. I'm speaking to all four of you out there. So obviously today's podcast, well done. You're already listening. So you're halfway there on this one. We'll be talking about the team boss moves in a little bit. And of course, Elbillionaire is making an appearance today.

So a slightly different episode because it would just be those two things that we're looking at. Then we'll have a bit more of a regular episode coming up on Sunday. So Sunday 18th, that will include Discord submission Pump the Breaks. So if you'd like to get your pump the break submissions into Discord, we might well play it out on the show and let you know whether you've been gunged by Dave Benson Phillips or not. Hall of Famer. Speaking of the Hall of Fame,

Fame, 21st of December. So a week as we record this, next Wednesday, it will be the Elbees. We will be giving out our 2022 Elbe Awards, including Hall of Fame nominations. Who's going to join the likes of Dave Benson Phillips and Shaquille O'Neill. We'll find out next week. And lastly, our last episode of the year will be the following Wednesday, so that's Wednesday the 28th. It won't be a new episode, but we're going to play some of our favourite games. that we've done throughout the year.

So it would be a few clips from previous episodes just to tide you over until we're back in the new year. Does that answer everyone's questions? No, no questions. Let's crack on. Good stuff. Let's get on to Team Boss chat. So, well, 48 hours ago, it was looking fairly normal.

Now, apparently, if you've been in a job for a year, you're within the top three or four most experienced team principles on the grid. how we've reached that, I do not know. So we know that, firstly, Yoss Capito is out of Williams. He's gone, leaving a vacant seat there at the moment. Just Capano.

Oh, Capito. Oh, Capito. You gargant. That is so poor. That's really bad. Anyway, he's gone. As we record this, don't know who's coming in to replace him,

but that's not the same for the other two movements. So big Freddie Vass has moved from Salba to Ferrari, leaving a vacancy there, obviously. Seidel is moving to Salver to be CEO. So we've got movement all over the place. Let's start at Williams. Let's start at Yos Capito because that news did come first. So, you know, chronological order and all that. Sam, were you surprised by the news?

Do you think it's a particularly damaging one for Williams? Now this one I am really surprised by You might be thinking What do you mean Sam by this one you're really surprised by Well if you're a Patreon and you get your extra topic once a month We talked about the move of Sidel To of course Salba Alpha Mayo Which is now going to be Audi

Where I wasn't surprised So we've recorded them the other way round So it might not actually be out yet Who knows An asterix Folks if you're not a Patreon though Get on over there Check out the limited edition content

Once a month that's a topic Anyway Am I shocked by Yoss Capito? Yoss Capito. Yes, I am shocked about what's been going on over at Williams. You know, out of all the difficulties that Williams have gone through, I actually thought that Yoss was quite a steady pair of hands.

He was a very experienced individual when it comes to leading teams to this success level. He's a great motivator. I really think he's bonded well with the drivers. Obviously, Latifi is leaving, but Al-Bonging him seemed to get along really, really well. and I feel like, of course, the incoming of Sargent will probably get along quite well with the Oscars well. He's got that great relationship, always seems to have got along well with his drivers.

So it's surprising that after such a short tenure in Williams, that he is already departing, but there are already rumours of the Doralton group shaking things up from, you know, top to bottom, so to speak. I think they've kind of got to the point where they are not pleased with being sat at the back of the grid and want to start seeing success and success sooner rather than later, which of course, when you're making investment like they did and they spend a lot of money, you want to start seeing some return on that cash. It does make sense. And I don't think they've got rid of Yoss because he's doing a bad job. I don't think they look at him unfavorably. I think they've got rid of him because they've thought, right, he's laid the foundations,

but it isn't the turnaround we want. We need to go for something more radical, something a bit different, someone who's maybe got, I don't know, connections to bring some help somewhere else or see. So am I surprised? Yes, he wasn't the person that I thought was going to go. It does make sense that if you want to see a changing culture in regime in how everything's running from Dr. Motten, you take the head off. And of course, Yoss is the head. So I was surprised. He wasn't the first team principal that I thought was going to kind of kick off the news today. Of course, Brgotta went a little while ago.

But there we have it. A change at Williams. We'll see who it is. The only one yet to be announced. I was shocked. I did think he was going to be there for at least another season. I won't, I won't lie. Are you waiting for the call up, Sam?

Do you think it might be you? I've been waiting. for 27 years being. When is it going to happen? You're just there as a baby, like, it's going to happen one day. That's why I was with David. Oh, we're not getting into that again.

For the 29,000 podcasts in a row. Harry, were you surprised at all by the news that Yoss Capito is Yoss Capitout? Nice. Nice. Yes, I'm so glad we're carrying this on. Very, very harsh, I think. Very, very harsh. Great reference. Great X-factor reference, that is.

You're very, very harsh, Simon. Very, very harsh. Brilliant reference. Oh, no. That's so niche. That's so gish. Like mid-naughties UK pop culture right there. Yeah, I do think it's a harsh call.

I don't know Sam's mentioned that there's a bit of a shaker with Doralton. and yes, the turnaround hasn't come. But we're talking about a man who has only been in the job for two years, two and a bit years, because he took ever straight away, I think, from Claire. Claire Williams, that is. I think it's, I feel like it's underestimated the position that Williams were in when they were bought out.

And the turnaround that everyone would love to see from, Williams, a great team. The turnaround in my head was never happening in two years. It was never happening. Yes, 2020 may not have been quite the jump up. They'd hoped. They still scored a few points, not many, but a couple. So, yeah, I don't know. I just felt that I was harsh. I would like to see him have a year or two more to see where this progressed because it wasn't going to turn around in in two years. It just doesn't matter how good you are at your job. The way the position Williams are in when when Dorotten came along and Yoss,

it was never going to, he didn't, that's not enough time, just not enough time to do it. And as you'll hear, or you may hear if you listen to the Patreon, we talked about Audi and Andreas Seidel and about how they're laying the foundations four years in advance here with his appointment. So it takes a long time to build your way back up the grid in Formula One. It's not a work of the moment. So I think, yeah, it's harsh, especially considering he and his companion from, also from formerly Volkswagen, whose name are forgotten, are both gone.

So it seems like... FX. FX, I say, yeah. Yeah. It just, it seems a tad premature for me. Yeah, I was surprised about this one, particularly, it just seemed to come out of nowhere. You know, with Bonotto's situation, it's seemingly on the cards for a couple of years, right? It was regularly spoken about in terms of his job security, whereas this one, maybe it's because of the standing that Williams currently have in F1 versus what Ferrari is.

But this seemed to just not be a discussion point until it was announced. I might be being a bit harsh here, but I don't think he can have too many complaints. I agree with the idea that they were never going to be able to turn this around overnight and they were never going to be able to turn this around in two years. The issue from my side is the turnaround seemed to start in the first year and then go backwards in the second year. You know, they did make pretty good progress last year.

to the point where they finished eighth, which obviously led us to thinking they would finish eighth again this year, which they didn't. If you listen to our predictions review podcast, you'll find that out. 1-1-0 lives on. But they didn't move forward.

They didn't move forwards. They didn't even stay where they were. They moved quite firmly backwards. And if you look at the situation last year, right? Last year was the final year of the regulations. everyone who isn't doing very well is building up to 2022. So you had those three teams at the back. It was Williams, Alpha Romeo and Hasse.

Alpha Romeo made a good jump in 2022 to the point where they beat Aston Martin and had over 50 points in a season. Hass beat Alpha Tauri made good strides forward. And then the third team in that trio, Williams, went back to positions and were, we're not just last, they were a comfortable last. I can't remember. Alpha Tauri must have ended up with just over 30 points, I guess I can't remember the top of my head,

whereas Williams were really struggling on single points. So I appreciate it might not have been quite as bad as the Kubitsa year or the Stroll and Sorokin year, but we're heading back a few years to that point. So if they'd been able to hold station this year, or if they'd been able to make a bit of progress as they head into the new era, I'd probably have a bit more sympathy here. But actually, because of the way in which they went backwards and they are distant

and don't seem to be getting any progress, I'm still fairly surprised. But the team needs direction. The team needs a plan and they just don't seem to have it. Can I ask that we all put our tig-4 hats on? Just for a moment, we've got a slight. Can you dumb them, everyone? Find it. Get your drawers out.

I don't always ready to go. Actually pretending to put a hat on. Thank you. If you haven't got one, just run to the kitchen and just roll some Tink4 around your head. I'll actually run out of TIN4. I need to go and put down a shop on this. It's probably because you've made so much bloody gammon, mate, that you, you know, Team 4 shortages.

Anyway, I've got this theory that there are a couple of manufacturers who are floating around Formula 1 at the moment that want the spot. We all know how difficult it is to create your own team and get it on the grid at the moment. and I think that Williams have tried, and Donaldson have tried to take fate into their own hands here and kickstart something on their side. I don't think they want the relationship with Mercedes as much as they let on anymore. And I think they think,

if we get rid of Yost and get rid of a couple of senior team members, we could lure someone like a Porsche who wants to go into business with something in Formula One or rumoured that Honda are looking to move elsewhere and get a spot back into Formula One again, despite starting to leave for what, feels like six months and come back into Formula One again. Williams, to me, feels like the perfect opportunity for an outside, large manufacturer to come in, take a hold, invest, and lead

that team with the famous Williams game, of course. A Williams Porsche, or again, the classic Williams Honda, could be a very famous reprise of a great partnership long, long ago. So I think that Doralton have gone, get them out early in the winter break. Let's see what deal could be done over the winter break period as we transition into a new stage for Williams. You can take your hats off now. It's just a theory, but I think that's what they're trying to do.

Few. Head was getting warm there. It does. It's a quick. I felt like a gammon, actually. You are a gammon, mate. You're a big fat gamin. You're a big fat man.

I just had to say it. You got a fat, so you're lovely looking gentleman. Harry Gammond, potential All the Fame nominee. next week. The BFGio, Maria, the big fat gam. Very ash.

Very much. Right. Moving on. Freddie Vasur, Freddie Vaseline. Jungle is Vassive. Oh, that is so good. Yes.

Love that. Jungle is Vassive. It's the worst thing you've ever said. That's worse, the Wash Bragg. Yeah, that's fair. Anyway, he's moved to Ferrari to replace Bonotto. This was rumoured to be the case.

We thought that he was going to be the guy, and it's actually now been announced. Do you think that Freddie Vassar is the right person to take them forward, Sam? Oh, Ferrari, you've finally done something that makes sense. You finally make a decision for what feels like the first time in 15-odg years that is a clever, well-thought-out, well-organised decision.

and I'm going to tell you one for why. I go Ben loves that one. Good. Freddie Vass, what a man Freddie Vass is. And I feel like he is one of the most underrated individuals in Formula One. That guy is so qualified to do anything.

And I mean anything. He's extensive CV. I'm just going to read you off a few individual things about Freddie Vass. You may or may not know. You know, studied aeronautics. The man's essentially a spaceman. He's a century and astronaut.

and engineering before starting his own junior formula series, right? He created his own team, ASM. They won that, right, in partnership with Renault. Fantastic, well done. He then went on to develop a team with just none other than Jean Tot's son, Nicholas Tot. And they then, that was ART, you might be aware of it, might have been quite successful.

And they worked with, oh, let's just, let's a few names you might recognize, Lewis Hamilton, you know, Miko Rosberg, won a couple of cycles there with those boys. then, right, you know Formula E, that now well-known racing series? The guy literally builds all of the chassis that they use with Spark technology. He literally has that whole contract from the whole racing series. The guy understands aerodynamics is quite good at the aerodynamics. Well done him.

And then of course, joins Renault when they actually came back into the sport again. And the reason he was out quickly was because him and Cyril are a beatball disagreed. They had an argument, didn't like each other. And now he was here at Ferrari. know what, you've done a very good thing, Ferrari, by hiring an actual spaceman genius to pilot your team. The guy's clearly got great man management. The guy clearly knows how to build a culture. He clearly understands how the actual technical parts of Formula One works. He's a full package. And he's such a calm guy. And on the biggest plus point, Charlotte, her bloody loves him.

He's his number one fan. You know he's going to do a good job for you. Well done, Ferrari. This was the best appointment that you could have picked up on the entire. Grid. Anyone on your radar, there is no one, and I believe it, no one better at this moment in time that you could have taken on to be your team principle. You've finally gone outside of your own corporation. Which let me tell you what, Ferrari, for you is a great thing. Well done. Sam's on the fence about this one, I think. Me and the last half. Thanks to you, yeah. All right, I think this was a good hire as well. I am a fan of Freddie Vassner. I think he's a good team principal. but I think I made this point when we discussed this previously, when it was unknown who was going to take on the mantle. I don't think it matters who takes it on. It's all about how Ferrari let them govern.

And if they let them govern, Freddie Vassar has to be given the flexibility, the autonomy, and the support to do his job right. It sounds like, based on the role that they've given him, that he's going to be tied to management even more than Bonotto was, which scares me a little bit. It scares me a little bit that he will be driven by other people that, quite frankly, won't be able to do Freddie Versa's job

better than Freddie can himself. So I really hope that he is given the support that he needs to go ahead and be himself, essentially, because as much as I like Bonotto from a pure, engine standpoint, you know, he's very good in his previous job. He wasn't a manager. He wasn't a leader. Vasur is that.

So if he's allowed to be that, then I can see this working out. And I think Ferrari have made the right hire. I just hope in terms of the power structures of the company that Freddie Vassar can lead from the front and do so without the worry that there are going to be people above him telling him what to do, making him a puppet of some sort, right? That can't happen. So I'm going to, I think it's a good hire. Will it work out?

Honestly, I'm not entirely certainly. The answer lies with Freddie Vassar. I don't think the responsibility is 100% his. I think the responsibility is more on Ferrari. There's a reason that a number of people have not succeeded in this role. And it would be easy for Vassar to join that list if they don't learn from their previous mistakes. what's your thoughts on the higher harry um good good cool uh and this is i think the first sam mentioned

this already outside your corporation so first time since 1993 they've done this because i went i looked back obviously benotto was already in ferrari he's been promoted within before that we had a riva bennay who was a marlborough man but near as he was it he was part of ferrari already marco matiacci used to work for Ferrari North America. Before that, Stefano de Menacali used to work for, he was already part of the team, Steve Sunday.

So then before that was Jean-Top. And that was 1993 when he was brought in from, I think, work. Yeah, went really badly. Brought in from Pojo. So in that sense, it's a good call, I think,

because from, for too long, again, we spoke about this on the patient topic here. For too long, they've promoted, from within Ferrari. And yes, it is sensible to do that sometimes. But in the case of,

in the case of Benotto, like you mentioned, Ben, he was great at his job at engineering, in engines, but he was never, he was never destined to be a proper team principle. So good call.

Good call all around from, from Ferrari here. Getting an outsider. And you're right, it can't all be on him. There's a lot of things that the wider team needs to take responsibility for,

but I think he is the right man to have in charge now at this time for where Ferrari are. So, well on Feza, don't muck it up. Give big Freddie

jungler's vasive a chant. Yes. Wicked, wicked. Jungle is vassive. Come on. That may be the best thing you've ever said, Ben. In 10 years of friendship. A late Hall of Fame runner, you know?

Yeah, right in of the death there. Did you know, though, that he's only the fourth long Italian to run Ferrari? And two of them are being French, the other one being, of course, Jean-Tart, who was quite good at the F-1, if you hadn't realised. I haven't looked through the history book. So maybe you're very positive over. I'm surprised you don't know this because you are the world's largest brain. You're like Pinky in the brain, and you're definitely the brain,

and being Harry are basically half of pinky each. I'm surprised that you could tell me, but you might be able to, who the other two non-European, non-Italian Ferrari TPs were, to Britsboles, and if they won world titles while they were there. As in Jean-Tots won and there's two more? Yes, but they got French. Well, I mean, one of them's Bonotto. Yeah, so he was rubbish.

But I don't know if the other one was. What was the question? I'm curious, because I don't know. So obviously, Blotto is going to win. Jean-Tots the other. There was another non-Italian team principal who has been at Ferrari, and I wanted to know if they have been there and won a world title as well. Because if so, that's, but could technically,

if Fred Freddy Vass does go on a winner title, could be three of the four non-Europeans that are going on to win world titles. It might be a sign for them. Yeah. I don't know the answer to that. I'm going to try and find out. Good stuff. Well, we're going to take a short break.

On the other side of it, though, who wants to be a billionaire? Watch, as me and Harry try to win back probably £10 of our own money. Here we go. All right then. El billionaire. Sam, go right out of hand.

Oh, folks, they're talking about winning £10 of their own money like I haven't put in twists and turns all along this L billionaire. Folks, we're playing for something that's much more important than, money this time around, despite it being called LBillion. I know the boys have got a prize that they can actually use this time around if they

answer all 16 questions, including the special L billion pound question right at the end. They will be allowed to take control of my Twitter and tweet one thing that is not offensive. And I will not be able to deny it. And they can share it on the LB Twitter as well to gain extra traction. I will not be able to say what tweet it was. So there is actual traction, therefore. You can have my voice for one tweet. The stakes have never been higher.

Oh, my lord. Imagine what you could say. But with that, there are also new lifelines for you to contend with as well, before we get into the questions. So, folks, if you haven't ever seen the real Who Wals could be a million air, which is definitely isn't a rip-off off. This is definitely totally original content. They have lifelines on the show.

Now, you have the classic lifelines, which is, such as the 50-50, for example. The boys will get that lifeline here as well. But they can also use the Ask the Discord function. We've had that one in previous function and they could do an at everyone's vast of Discord. It never works, but you've got the option and you get a one-minute response time

to see if people can give you the answer as soon as possible. Of course, I will set a timer for that. Then there are two lifelines that we have never had before on our billionaire that I think would work nicely here. You can option choose. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. are you telling me wringle my jingle is not on there wringle my jingle has departed from elbin again

I'm not playing yeah what the hell that's the best one if I come back from another albinia air give it a rest right your two new lifelines are you can text someone and show me the text to prove that it's you know all legit so that it's almost like phone with friends

but you get to you know inquire with family and friends don't text me That's a bad idea. Or, good shout. And the final lifeline that you have is you can choose to skip a question. This can't be played on the final question. And there is, if you choose to skip a question, you have to do a forfeit. That forfeit is that you have to say, without denying, without laughing, without any interruptions or issues,

that I, Samuel Sage, is the best podcaster and member of the late breaking F1. team and we will move on without any questions asked. How do you feel about those lifelines, boys? That's a life. A forfeit is a lifeline. Yeah, but you have to sacrifice, honestly, that I am the best of the three of us. It's also, it's also cruel, because the last time we did our billionaire, skip a question, was a lifeline, but without the forfeit.

So I think we've really lost out here. Well, I make the rules up, so I really don't care. Shall we play? All right. Yeah, fine. I mean, don't sound too exciting. Got any music for this, Ben? Got any music for a...

No, no, no, no, I'm not doing the soundboard. He's not doing it. He hates it. No, soundboard is... Can I do it? Ban. Yeah, yeah. Harry, you pick some random songs that definitely have nothing to do

with their billionaire. Um... Find a Brexit beef submission on there, probably. Yeah. I mean, like, the questions are waiting. The people are waiting, but sure. It's fine. I can edit this out.

It's all good. Don't you worry. Don't you worry? God, there are so many things on here, mate. Yeah, it's ridiculous. You need to clear this up. Feel free. I only saw it for the first time today.

Says everything you need to know. What do you reckon about transition number five, folks? Give it a try. I don't think so. No. Okay. Let me, what about tune number six? Oh, yeah.

This screams out many, then. L billion air Oh, Oh, oh, oh Bealin' Yeah Wanna answer some questions You got to know your facts

It's time for L billionaire We're taking it to the max Yeah Bealing it I felt like we used that last time So we did We did

The moment you started playing it I was like, wait El billionaire We're at home All right We're going to start playing now So the first question which is technically worth £100, which you'll never get.

Here we go. Of course, there are four options for each questioning, as is the classic, he wants to be a millionaire. Question number one. During F1's Secret Santa 2021, who does Sergio Perez say his giant pot of Nutella must be from as he opens it? Is it A, the Stappan's personal trainer?

Is it B, Latifie's mum? Is it C, it must be part of, Nutell Plan, or is it D, Chocolate Eclair? Well, I bet we're not going to have to use a lifelan on number one, are we? Thanks, so disgusting. The question is this, man. The questions are a wild rice game. Right.

Nuttle Plan can get in the bin. What do you mean? That's not the right answer. What are the three options. For the staffer's personal trainer, B, Latifi's mum, or D, chocolate acclair, if you're ruling out, it must be part of Natel plan. And this is what he said when they said,

who do you think has got this? And he said, Yeah, he went, it must be from this person. From Latifie's mum. That sounds... Like, is he going to, he wouldn't say that, would he? Folks, if they get the first one wrong, we're just going to carry on playing anyway,

and they don't get the, they don't get my Twitter at the end, all right? If they get on the first one, it's embarrassing. I'm not carrying on playing if that's, that's not the goal. I'll just end the episode there. Well, what do we think, Ben? Okay, I want to clarify one thing on this, where you say option D is chocolate, Eclair.

Are you saying that Perez actually says chocolate Eclare or are you saying he says it's Charles? No, he's, he, if this is the true answer, this is, the words I've written are what he has actually said. Right. So he didn't say chocolate of Claire.

That's what I'm saying. Surely. I think this is probably Vastappan's personal trainer. It's, I don't know who the Stappan's personal trainer is, but Nicholas Latifi's mum. Did you not know that?

Yeah, so we can go with A or B, and we're right. Go on, we'll go with A. Yeah, go on. Is that your final answer? Yeah. Yeah. I wish I had a soundball clip for if you got something right or wrong. I should have thought this up.

Hang on. Anyway. Oh, yeah. Get a your wrong noise ready because, oh, you're wrong. To start to the quiz. It's a Nicholas Latifie's mum. He went, it must be Latifie's mum. She goes, I love Gatela.

And it was actually from Latifie. the actual correct answer which he didn't guess. So that's ruined the whole quiz. That's what the right sound, is it? Thanks for playing an albillionaire, folks. Turn this off. Thing is he can't now. Seriously, tell you.

Please, please. There's go. This is the most disappointed game of Elbillionaire of all time. Well, you wrote the stupid first question. I thought it was so obvious. All right, we'll move on. Come on. Cut of the bigots.

Okay. Question two, which is meant to be worth £200. And this, I thought these were easy. This was going to be easy as well, supposedly. What year was the Halo introduced into Formula One? Was it A, 2018, B, 2019. C, 2017 or D, 2016? I'm sorry, this, this should have been question number one.

Not the, not the, not the, the, teller question. Don't have a go out. Don't have a go at the guy that wrote the quiz. Okay. It's 2018, isn't it, Ben? Yeah, it's not 16. It's not 17.

No, I think it's 2018. Yeah, 18. 2018, Ben. Well, 17, Ben. Hello. Right, yeah, we'll just go pretend that question one did it exist. You are correct.

Wars 2018. Well done, boys. Yeah. You're not idiots. Oh, God, this goes over ages. Yeah. Long than the actual show itself, so far. Well done.

Question number three. The first ever Chinese Grand Prix was in 2004. But who won? Was it A. Kimmy Rikingen, B, Michael Schumacher. C. Jensen Button or D. Rubens Barichello. I think it's two-time stock.

Char champ Rubens Barakello. Yeah. That was for him, by the way. Love it. Didn't shoot a marker of the mayor? I think you did have a mayor. You like crash on the formation lap or something. Yeah, and they're like, didn't he have a spin as well?

I don't know. Mothers or something? Woo! Shoemaker did have an absolute Mary finish well outside the points. Butting and ranking were quite capacious, but Rubens had the edge. So well done. You've technically got two of two, wink, wink, wink, correct. So then I'll move on to question four, which is worth £500. In 1976, the BBC almost stopped coverage of the season because of a sponsor.

What team did that sponsor, condom company Jurex, sponsor that year? Was it A, 30s, B, Shadow. see Heskiff or D March Come on Resident 70s man It's you I thought it was Cirties Is that your final answer

Is that your answer because I have no idea I think it's CERT That rings a bell It was I think it was It was whoever Alan Jones Raced for In his very early days I thought of Cirties

I thought of Cirties before he said anything so I'll go with that. 30s. Okay. Surtees. 70s man and his companion, Gammon boy, have chosen a, certies. And they would be correct. Great job.

That's not going to get annoying. It's still 20 seconds about it last. Oh, good. You just play the whole clip on time we finish. Well done. Well, we're rattling through him now. Ratting through him. Brilliant job. Right. Question number 5. For 1,000 pounds. How many

different tyre manufacturers have been involved with Formula 1 since it began. Was it A. 5. These being Bridgestone, Continental, Goodyear, Michelin and Pirelli. Was it B? 7. Bridgetone, Continental, Goody, Michelin, Firestone, Dunlop and Pirelli. Was it C? 9. Bridgetone, Continental, Goody, Mitchell, Firestock, Dunlop, Avon, Englebert, and Pirelli. Or was it D? 4. Bridgestone, Googie, Michelin and Pirelli. I have said those words. too many times. All right. It's not four and it's not five.

I know, I know Dunlop. Would you like to hear the names again? Avon and Engelbert, wasn't it? They are the, they are the separators, yes. Yeah. So I'm pretty sure Firestone and Dunlop

were both tire manufacturers at one point. I don't have a clue on those two, though. It sounds like, sounds like they could have been in like the 50s or something. Yeah. You've got life. lifelines, remember. What are the lifelines again? Right, you can. Choose a 50-50. You can ask the Discord. You can skip the question with that wonderful forfeit, or you could text someone and

show me the text could prove that it's real. I've got to, I don't know if any of those are going to help on this one. Nah. I don't know. Should we go for the one with the most? Yeah, nine. See? I love, I love it. It's adventurous. And it is correct. Avon and Engelbert did supply tired. Fantastic. Brilliant. Thank you for making it so short, Harry.

That is joyous. Well done. Love that. Risky play. Good job. Right. Question six for $2,000.

We've changed currencies. In 1971, in the 19th of Italian Grand Prix, the top three finishes were separated by 0.9 seconds. But who was

the third place driver? Was it A. Mike Halewood. B. Rangy Peterson. Was it C, Francois Savaire, or was it D, Chris Amon? What a brutal question that is. Death Savage.

Yeah, I told you they're up and down. It's a really easy one later on. So 71 Italian Grand Prix, right? Correct, which of course, famously, if you look at the whole grid, had what, the fastest finishing five, I think it was in total. Yeah. So I know Geffen won it. and I think

Amon retired a few laps he was in the fight but I think he retired a few laps from the end so I don't think it's him I don't remember Harren sat there juggling I don't remember Sevair being involved

in that fight either so I'd probably say it was one of the top two either Peterson or Hailwood Would you like to use a lifeline Well you know What you'd know what you'd like our 50-50 to be, so I'm not sure if I should use that. I pre-select all of the 50-50 options on each question before we play the game,

because otherwise there is me being horrible where I'm choosing the most difficult option. I don't believe you. I don't care. I'm pretty sure Peterson either finished second or third. My initial instinct is that Hailwood was fifth and Peterson was third, but I can't think of a second, so that's what's annoying me. I love this game. I love that I have no stress.

Let's go, let's go Peterson then, Ben. Super Swede, Ronnie Peterson, let's go. It's wrong! Good. It was not Ronnie Peterson. Hey! Good, good stuff. It was old Francois, Benjamin.

He was indeed inferred. And funny enough, if you've chosen the 50-50, you've been left with Francois and Chris Aymann. I don't know if that assuaged decisions. I knew Aymn wasn't it, so I'd have gone for sever, definitely. Oh, try and give you the life line there, and you've just ignored me again. Yeah. All right, well, we'll carry on because there's some good questions left.

I put a lot of effort into this, so, you know. Was Hayward Fifth? I think he was. Oh, it's just annoying me by playing random music pieces now. It's so loud. It's so loud. Right, you're bang from the sound ball after this episode. Right. Question number seven for $4,000.

Murray Walker once asked Martin Brundel, a lot of people here are really debating whether Ricardo Rossett really is Formula One material. Which of these answers was Martin's actual response? Is it A? Well, it's a fairly short debate, Murray. Is it B? That's like asking if I'm Berger material, Murray. Is it C? That's like asking if the engine of a Formula One car should be made of fudge, Murray?

Or is it D? well Murray he's not all great answers but it's definitely A A What do you mean it's going to be Yes there you go by

there was an easy one Yes it's a Well it's a fairly short debate Murray although I was desperately hoping That he would have asked If it's asking like he's burger material Okay well done You're wrong several times already

But you got that one right Well done you I think it's going well so far Ben So far, this is your best performance. The thing is, I know now we can't win, so there's no point on us using the skipper question. Yeah, exactly. That's true.

No point using that now. You lose, I lose, right? Yes, it's hurt us both. Yep, that's how we're all here at late breaking. We all lose together. Let's try and take it a bit seriously, like there's still a competition going, though. Fair enough about not using the lifeline,

but the fans might want to have some fun. Right, question about eight for $8,000. as what was Jacques Villeneuve senior's best ever result was it A 18th B D and F C he never drove an F1 car or was it D he did not qualify

My instinct was he never qualified I'm not sure on that but can you say the question again What was Jacques Villeneuve senior's best result King of all the answers too Jack Villeneuve Senior

as in Jill Yeah No No no Jack Jack Vilner was He was brother

Yeah Right right yeah right Yeah right okay I know you hate the family But you can't wish away their actual existence Oh no Jill Vilnov Top lad

His son Moron Um I don't know I don't know that one I'll go with your instinct Ben My Before he said the answers

I was like, oh, I thought he never qualified. So let's go with that. Maybe go with that. DNQ. Well, DNQ, of course, the abbreviation. And Ben, your instinct is correct. He DNQed. He's one and only appearance,

which was at the Canadian Grand Prix. He never managed to qualify. So, you know, talent really runs through that family in all areas. Well done. Let's move on to question nine for 16,000 dollars. What? Trying to do an ad break, mate. I was going to do it after this question

but fine folks you can have to wait to see it's a great question coming up stick around after the break bye building the drama he's no he's no Chris Taran is he

I'll tell you what folks you try and run a game where you put in hours of effort and they just take the Mickey the all way through you got one monkey over here playing a soundball like he's never seen technology

things over here he's not even playing a stage in recording he's doing this The gargian, he's out there making a cake. He don't care. Right. We're back from the break.

I enjoy the adverts or skipped them. Yeah, right. Who does that in their spare time? As you're probably very aware by now, we're massive fans of the F1 and live sport generally. Sam, do you ever get frustrated that you want to watch a live sports event, but it's not available in your country? Why, yes, Ben?

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So that's NordvPN.com forward slash LBF1 to take advantage of that discount. Right, question nine. In the 1996 Monaco Grand Prix, out of the 22 drivers to qualify, how many drivers actually finished the race by crossing the line on the final lap? Is it four? Pannis, Coulthard, Herbert and Frankson? Is it three? Pallis, Coulthang and Herbert?

Is it two? Just Pallet and Coulthar? Or is it five? Pallis Coulton. Herbert, Frankson and Seng. Sarlow. I know there were only three finishes, but I don't know whether they all crossed the line on the final lap.

What a crazy race? Yeah. My immediate instinct was three, but I don't know. Because, like, was one of them laps? I don't know. Should he's our 50-50, but? That's 50-50, shall we? Well, I've been very kind in your options on 50-50.

You are left with, is it option B-3, Pangus? Kortar and Herbert, or is it option 5, Pannis, Kortak, Herbert, Frankson and Sarlow? I think it might be three. Go with three. They've gone with three, folks, and they are correct. Herbert Manish and finished 56 seconds behind the duo of Panis and Kaltar on Frankson retired in the pit lane,

the lap before on lap 74 and 75. Every other driver either had a technical fault or retired during the full run. So it was good. Not a skier-long show there. Well done. And much like the skills showing in this quiz, really top level. Let's go to question 10, shall we?

We'll move on swiftly. This is a fun one. Question 10 for $32,000. Ashton Martin returned to Formula 1 in 2021, but this was made possible through over 30 years of team purchases and rebrandings. How many different team games, and I'm being picky, has this team had, including when it became Askin Martin? Is it A, 7? Is it B6? is it C5 or is it D 9?

Are you... Are you including... You're picking about my cognizant. Yeah, like... I'm not talking about... Sorry. And what's all about engine manufacturers specifically? But like a lot...

Yeah, so Ben's right. Like Aston Martin, Aston Martin, Aramcoe Cognoson, rolls off the tongue. Yeah, no, I'm not going to that level. Right, fine. That's... Yeah.

This is technically what it's classed on and the actual official. A fistrial, it's got a word. Official history. Fistrial. Well, Aster Martin, one,

racing point, two, four, Sinderia three, Spiker four, Midland five, Jordan six. Was that an option?

Was six an option? A7, B6, C5, D-9. Okay. Yeah, I think unless, it's going to be,

like, I've explained to you on purpose that I am being picky. Right. If you include like Sahara Force India or something stupid like that. That's my point. That just sponsors, like different change of sponsors count as... On the official history page of this, I'll give you a hint because I can understand it's a tough one. There is only one name that is very similar to another that has some kind of, uh,

sponsorship or something in it that's a bit like, that's a bit silly, I'm being a bit difficult. I think, I think, because they were Midland in 2006, but then they got bought out by Spiker and became Spiker Midland or Midland Spiker.

And then they became Spiker. Does that make it seven? Or, yeah, that or my other one was maybe MF1 counting. But that's Midland, right? Yeah, I know. I don't know if that, if they were technically,

if it went from one to the other, if they were always known as both. I can remember. I think they were, because it was Midland, oh, MF, why was it at? Oh, Midland F1, right. Yeah. Yeah.

I can't remember if it was just they always went by both names. I think they must have, they did, right? Midland F1, MF1. I think it'd be safe for us to go for seven, just based on we know six, and there's going to be a stupid one in there. Let's go seven then. Yeah.

Seven it is. Right. Seven is correct. I mean, after you've got a little bit of a helping hand. But it was not for MF1. That technically doesn't count. It was just an abbreviation used by broadcasters and the like. The team names were Jordan, middling F1 racing, Spiker F1, Force India,

racing point force India, then racing point. Oh, yeah. And then Aston Martin. So they were the official team names without scuping extra sponsors thrown in there by the time being here forever. But you've got the question right. So well done. You have to do a few lifelines. I was going to say a terrible. I know he's under circumstances there, but awful name. Agreed. Just for those listening at home, the lifelines they have left are ask the Discord, skip the question with a four of it, which we're not going to probably use,

and text someone and show Sam the text. So questions left. You've got one, two, three, four, five, six questions to go, which is, that's good. You've got an opportunity for a lifeline in there or two to spice it up, get the fans involved. We'll move on to question 11. This is a final one. Ben, you might have come across this one very recently as we did a very similar mini game at the end of a show. It's a who am I question.

Oh, you're doing it in the Discord quiz, a round of who am I? Which is great. So you might get this one. Who am I? I drove for the following teams. Shadow, Arrows, Brabham, Alpha Romeo, Williams and Benetton. am I A, Yocan Mass Am I B, Eddie Chiva

Am I C, Derek Warwick Or am I D? Ricardo Petrazi I was really tempted to be a cocky me about it and just shout Petrazi before he said the answers

and I wasn't sure I was right but I think it is Petrazi there were a lot of teams in there that sound good for Patrazi he definitely drove for Williams from Brabham and... Wait. Did you...

Is that all the teams he's driven for? Sam? He was there forever, surely. Yeah, he was there. Did you say, was Benetton in that list? Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

Let's get Petraezy then. He was just everywhere, wouldn't he? Yeah. Yeah. Right, Lodden, so. Crazy Petraezy. All right, that's the answer they've gone for and that is the correct answer.

It was also nice to get, of course, Warwick's son, Derek Warwick, in the list. All right. Oh, no, stop. Oh, I'm going twice. I'm deaf. So loud in my headphones.

Much like I'm so loudening all of your headphones, folks I now understand the treatment. Okay, we're on for the big bucks now. In, for question 12, rather, for $125,000. In 2020, Lewis Hamilton was replaced by George Russell for the Sequeur Grand Prix due to sickness reasons.

We all know why, but, you know, algorithm. What strange modification? did they make to Russell, or to help Russell, fit better in the car? Was it A, they asked him to get a haircut so his helmet could sit tighter on his head. Was it? B, Russell didn't actually have a seat. They just used small bean bags in place to stop him moving. Was it C, George had to wear a funny size shoe, size 10 as he has his usual 11. Or was it D, they vacuum packed him into his race suit.

I'm not how this is so. late in the quiz. I told you it's a roller coaster. Isn't it the shoes? Yeah. We'll go shoes please, Sam. Are you sure he didn't get his hair cut so his helmet fit on properly?

Oh no, actually, I think he was vacuum-packed to a suit. Imagine the moment he didn't dice up to his back. Such as Hamilton getting in his car and Abbey-Dabby, like, what's the beanbags for, man? What's the beanbag doing it? So many big bags. It was indeed the shoes. Yes, well done.

And I seem to want to keep you going. Of course, I thought you might be getting them all right up until this point. So I was trying to, you know, keep you moving. The next one is even better. You know, I love this one. Question 13. For $250,000. Winning the World Championship five times between 1951 and 1957,

Huang Manuel Fangio is the source of which slang term for rapid acceleration. Was it A? To fang it. Was it B? Let's fangia go-go. What's it C? Shut up. This is man.

One man's well fast. Or was it D? It's Fangio fast time. One of those is correct. It's one man's well fast. Oh God. Oh, no, no, no. Love you, Juan.

The first one sounds legitimate. Fagg it. Let's fagg it. I mean, it's not the meal two, is it? I don't know what the last one. What is the last one again? It's fangiofiles time. I mean, come on.

Jesus. It's got to be that's fang it. Yeah, let's go number one. Number one I've got to figure the A folks And surprise surprise It's correct

It was to fang it It unfortunately wasn't Let's Fang Gia go-go Or Huang Mang's well fast Or Fangio fast time It was indeed To fang it So if you ever want to get somewhere fast

In the future You know quick takeaway Or get your kids to school Make sure you put your foot down You shout To fang it Or let's fang it Whatever you fancy using

Anyway well done boys you got it correct. When you say you spent hours on this quiz, Sam, do you mean you actually spend 80% of the time workshopping ideas and what to put in that question? I have a whole group that I, you know, practice the arts as doing everything. Yeah, focus groups. The Gave us loved it.

Keith. Keith, Keith, Keith, out there, coughing the correct answer in the crowd, of course. Hey, another nice, naughty's pop culture reference there. If you're listening, Charles, Ingram. Welcome to the podcast. Right. Question 14.

We've got three to go for $500,000. We haven't changed. We haven't changed currencies last time. I know, I know. But you've got to keep it, you know, up to date, relevant, current. Which of these strange things happened resulting in the driver receiving a penalty? What's it A? Valtry Bottas was fine for keeping his coffee warm with a tire blank.

it. Was it B? Mal Dangardo was handing a drive-through penalty for speeding in the pit lane, which then when serving the penalty, he'd explain in the pit lane. Was it C? Yarno Trulli wanted to tape a miniature train model inside his cockpit for luck. But was they discovered, Toyota were then fined from driving an unsaid car. Or was it D? In 1999, Damon Hill was Csuans from the Schuards from the German Grand Prix after the bumps around the track shook off his front wing. Okay. I don't think the Trilly one is right. Why not? I feel like the Maldonardian one is

I assume they don't really remember that I'd go with that then there's no serious that's going on with this you're just picking out so to moving on the discol the first I'm sorry Sam when the options are you honestly wanted to have a train in his cockpit in the process of elimination

is not difficult there's not a lot of working out to do well two of those are actually one is obviously right and one is incredibly close to being right so I'm surprised that you eliminated one so quickly and it was yano truly celetaping no it wasn't it wasn't I'm sorry I can't go through that um the correct answer was the Maldingardo one of course he received a drive-frew penalty who's bringing the pit lane which thing while serving the drive-view penalty he then sped through the pit laying again but the other one that was very similar was the damon hill one which actually happened in Brazil.

The bumps around Brazil shook off his front wing, and he was penalized for it. He was penalized more than just having to change his front wing. Right. That's if you're not. That's what I said. I'll reg it as well. For anybody harsh.

Okay. Some questions to go. I got a question, Sam. Obviously, the prize here was going to be tweeting from your account, and we lost out on that. What do we have to do in order to have that as an opportunity again with these last two questions? What could, you know, not a multiple choice or how can we get that opportunity back? You're actually like I've got endless realms of backup questions ready to go for if you're making competition.

This isn't a negotiation technique. We're not a hostage situation. I would quite like to tweet something from your account. That sounds fun. and I'm just wondering, is there any way that can get back on the table? You should have used your lifelines and think about. So you should have taking it all a bit more seriously. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. We were not going to use our lifelands on question one. That was just a ridiculous question. Well, you should have, because you were wrong. So that tells you, I don't know. I don't have a reason. Maybe we'll come up with something in a nearby episode. And I'll let you tweet of my account.

Worth a go. But you've thrown it away. Anyway, for the $1 million question. of course this is the preliminary question so you must even be thinking what on earth goes on at the last one

well if you remember I told you at the start the quiz so there's a fun fact for you during the 2020 COVID lockdown Formula 1 went through

unprecedented a series of events one of those being the virtual Grand Prix can you remember which driver won the whole

virtual series was it A Antig Davidson B Esteban Gutierrez C George Russell or D

Alex Albon Georgie Russ I think wasn't that take word for it Cameron to go with Georgie Russ. Well, thank God Ben's here, Harry.

Could you be absolutely dang in the water? Yes, it was George Russell. Well done, Ben, you genius. We'll do the L billion-dollar round question. Sorry, sorry. Yeah, sorry. The crown of a good while for Ben. Yeah.

I was deaf many, many moons ago. The final question of the night, the L billion-dollar round question, the most important question. And I would argue probably the one that I left be the easiest because I was hoping you get the magic prize at the end despite it affecting me so badly. Question 16. In the LB Awards episode last year, who said this? As a podcast in the sports world, we are the big shack of podcasting at the US Grand Prix, awkwardly standing on the

podium and towering over the greats, pretending to be good when we really aren't that good. Is it A, Harry Ead? Is it B, Sam Sage? Is it C, Ben Hocking? Or is it D? Clives Picklesworth. So I think it was me, wasn't it? You nominate a Big Shack, so I feel like that makes the most sense. Also, Clive's Bigglesworth doesn't appear in the awards after two minutes into the episode. Sam begins the normal voice. Sam is definitely going to wear a tux for the awards. I haven't got a tux.

I wear a suit. I wear a suit. Yeah, there you go. Put a suit on. I would probably go with you, Harry. We'll go whatever. option was, eh? Amy. Amy. That's her name. And you are correct. It was A for Harry. Well done. You've won

a billion dollars. Very worthwhile. I spent two days writing that quiz and it was laughed at the entire time. Don't why I'd bother. Nonetheless, folks, I enjoyed it. Harry's making some death with the concert clapping. And we've had a wonderful time. Maybe next time they can tweet from my profile. Who knows? So we've been undone by Nicholas Latifie's mum and Francoise Ever.

What a great podcast, folks. Elbealiener. Elbealiener. Well, the question's coming quick and the question's coming fast. You never know who you just might ask. Elbealinga is the game to play. A billionaire is the one to slay.

sell billion. I'm just, I'm glad because last time we played this in person, Sam took 10 pounds of my money that we did actually win back. Fortunately, this time, we're remote, so I didn't have anything on the line. Maybe that's why we didn't win. I didn't have anything to win back. Yeah, to be fair, you did actually, you both won completely. You got every question right last time we played this.

And this time, you were utter failures and you mocked the whole system. and I'm low-key infuriated by the whole process. I can sleep well at night knowing that I don't know that Perez and Nicholas Latifie's mum are like that. Close. I'm all right with that. Although I am more annoyed. I didn't know than 71 race, but, you know, that's...

There you go. I've tarnished Ben's brain, which is wonderful. Yeah. Anyway, cheers for playing at home if you did bother playing. In the meantime, Ben, do I do any talking or are we done? Yeah, let's do some talking. Patreon topic that we've already mentioned is going to be out, maybe already, depending on when you're listening,

but it will be out at the end of this week, if you're listening before, that that's hit, where we will be talking about Andreas Seidel, the move from McLaren to Alpha Romeo Salba, Audi, as we like to call them now. We'll be discussing that move there. You can follow us on socials, I believe. I don't know, really.

Yeah, can you? Probably. Yes, you can. Bebo, MySpace, we're on all of them. Bebo. We should set up a Bebo. We should have. If we set it up, they will come.

People will come to us. That's what they wrote in the scriptures. If they're breaking up, the people will come. And if you want to be on Pump the brakes, Oh, I know it's coming from Harry anyway. If you want to be on pub and breaks, you can be. We're going to be doing that one this Sunday. So we'll be using Discord submissions.

And the three of us will decide whether you're talking good or you're talking nonsense. So that's to come. Don't get a stance to make a fortune. Harry, you've got a good point, mate. At always, obviously. But my point was, it's Christmas, folks. The time of generosity. Oh.

The time of giving. And what we'd like you to give us. What can it be? It's five stars on our podcast. Please. You've got Harry begging, folks. No one saw that coming. To be honest, well, I enjoy them.

Obviously, the five stars. We love the five stars. I don't have I mentioned that before. Maybe the five stars. but I enjoy the what people actually say underneath now because people are getting really creative with it there was one this week that mentioned

the letter C a lot just a just a wide bent up which I appreciated just in case you were confusing anyway it is mainly the five stars yeah I'm just you may think we're not that thing but we really are you know when like you're saying somewhere

Christmas card you open it you pretend got to see the money that's like us reading the nice spit. Right, but I see five stars thrown out the card and go I'm happy. We like people saying nice things about us because no one else in our lives does it, so please do you. There you go.

We're proper bed to that one. That was horrible. If you want to buy someone a bit of merch as well for Christmas, then of course there are plenty of merch designs up on the shop. And that's a lovely little gift and it massively supports the show. Don't forget the extra topic. Don't forget the ad-free podcast over on Patreon. Thanks for very much for watching, for listening, whatever it is you

doing. I don't know how you're... That song, Lisking with your eyes, listening with your ears like a single rainbow. They do that somehow. This has got weird. In the meantime, I'm Samuel Sage.

I've been Ben Hocking. And I've been Charles Ingram. I've been Ben. Oh, that's got me that one. Keep breaking late. Matt keep packing his own. Beanbags, man. I think.