The Late Braking F1 Podcast - What are the Top 10 tracks in F1?

Episode Date: June 1, 2022

No race week, so Ben and Harry are asking 'What are the Top 10 tracks in F1 at the moment?'. The boys discuss their favourites, chat about whether Verstappen should've been given a penalty for his pit lane infringement in Monaco, and play F1: Pump The Brakes... JOIN our Discord: https://discord.gg/dQJdu2SbAm SUPPORT our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/latebraking TWEET us @LBraking BUY our merch: https://late-braking-f1-podcast.creator-spring.com/ SUBSCRIBE to our podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Thank you for listening to the Late Breaking F1 podcast. Make sure to tune in for new episodes every Wednesday and Grand Prix Sunday. Oh, and a very warm welcome to the late breaking F1 podcast presented by Harry Yead and me, Ben Hocking. Plenty to go on today's show. We're going to be discussing Max Verstappen's No Penalty after the Monaco, Gron. and three, potential going over the line on pit lane exit. We're going to be discussing that one.

We're going to be looking at our top 10 circuits on the calendar. Plenty of disagreement, I'm sure, to come between the two of us. Sam actually surprised us in that he did actually listen to the entire podcast, which means he did catch the very end analogy that we put in, which included pizza. I thought it was a surefire winner and he didn't like it. didn't like it. It was pizza and he didn't like it. It was a pizza analogy and he didn't like it, which I'm just disappointed about, to be honest. I thought we'd absolutely nailed it. But, you know, in Sam's eyes or is, he didn't enjoy it. So you're wrong, Sam. As usual. As usual, as you probably

already aware, no Sam on today's episode as he recovers from surgery. I almost forgot to say it because we're actually only recording one day after we did our last episode, which was the review of Monaco. But I realize that for you people listening, it's actually going to be about four days apart. So it's less obvious for you. But no, Sam, on this week's episode, we shall keep you in the loop as to when you can expect him to return to the airwaves. We've got plenty to discuss. Before we get into it, though, we do have a quick announcement, and that is a brand new series that is coming to the podcast. Exciting indeed. Basically, the three of us have decided we are great friends with one another, but we don't have any other friends. So we're going to try and find

some. And our first attempt at finding a friend is F1 commentator Jack Nichols. If you're in the UK, you're probably aware of Jack Nichols' commentary on the BBC. He's also the lead Formula E commentator, but you'd have also heard him on Drive to Survive as well. He's one of the commentators. that they use on that show. So we're going to be chatting to Jack. The episode is going to land on Sunday. So have a lookout for that one when that comes about. If you're listening after Sunday, it's already out.

Go and watch it after this one. It's a really interesting chat we have with him. About an hour, something a bit different. You'll still catch it on the same feed. So you won't need to go anywhere different for it. But a really interesting interview that we had with him. And we played F1 back and forth with him. And he did play F-1 and back and forth. We won't reveal how it went, but it's certainly

a must-watch. A watch? A must-watch. Oh, God. It's a third bad word in a row for me and Ben. Maybe we do need sound back. Yeah. You don't quite know what you've got until it's gone, eh, Ari? Yeah. Do we miss him? Let's go with yes, because now we know he's definitely listening. We have to say yes. Anyway, we disagreed in the Monaco review in terms of how good the race was. So we decided let's disagree some more. We've got our top 10 rankings for circuits that are on the calendar right now. So all of the 22 circuits that are on the calendar, we've picked out our top 10 and ordered them and we're going to see how much our lists deviate from one another. The answer is probably quite a lot. How should we do this? Harry, do you want to go through yours?

from 10 to 1. And I'll see... Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll see how mine stacks up. Fine. All right, folks. Strap yourselves in. At number 10, we have Circuit of the Americas,

so the current USGP in Texas. I just like it. Number 10. Number 9, Imala. Not necessarily the greatest track for racing in F1, but I just like it. love emmela. I think it's a great racetrack. The number eight, Cirque Gilles Vilnav. We haven't been there for a few years. It's been sorely missed

from the F1 F1 calendar in my view. Always a belter of a race at calendar. If anyone wants to argue against it, try to name me a bad race at calendar. That's a great point. Never a bad race there. I was saying this to someone earlier about Gillesvelde and I was debating having that on my list and I'll reveal whether it is or not. But I did come to the conclusion that can you pick out a bad race there? Always a belter, isn't there? Damn, maybe it's too low down. Anyway, number seven, Baku.

Well done, Baku. I was trying to think of the circuit name. It doesn't have a circuit name, does it? Just Baku International Circus. Yeah, I think so. It's interesting that you've gone from Imala at 9 to Baku at 7, which you might not be able to get two tracks that are further away. from each other, not in terms of location, but in terms of style.

Yeah, very true, very true. I think the Imala one is more, as I said, I think it's more I just like the track rather than it's good at racing. But anyway, yeah, back here. The number six, the Red Bull Ring, Austria, an underrated, another one, maybe you can name a couple of bad ones, but again, often a pretty good race, a Red Bull Ring. And I enjoy, folks, I've got a thing for. tracks that have undulation, okay?

There is something about it. I like a bit of hillage in my F1 F1 track. So Austria in the mountains takes a lot of boxes for me. It goes up and it goes down, which is perfect for a hill-based F-1 up and down.

Sam get working on that. F-1 up and down. It goes upwards and then goes down. And then anyway, on to number five, which is not upwards or down. It's Monza, flat as a pan. pancake circuit.

But Monza is at number five. We get some good races there, the history of the track. I know it's not technically brilliant. Has got Sam Sager's favorite ever corner, Ascari on it. So I hope he agrees to me on there. Yeah, I guess Monza. At number five.

Number four, Silverston. Again, just a good classic track. We're getting into a lot of classic tracks here, folks. There's no newbies on here. And there's a couple lot newer ones that I've not on my list and I felt bad about, but anyway, we'll go on to that. See, number four, Silverston. Number three, we're not been there again for a while, but Suzuki,

just, it's the hillage again, but the S section, you know, I know 130R isn't really a corner anymore, but I love the uniqueness that it's a figure of eight circuit, goes underneath itself. Number two, spa. We may lose this from the calendar, so that would be a shame, but spars at number two for me. I have been it's very cool gotta say

but at number one drum roll please oh hang on hang on no wait wait wait oh come on I haven't got this ready I haven't got this ready

oh pad oh here we go into Lagos I hope that was worth the 10 second wait folks oh good lord yeah into Lagos

again a lot of hillage but that circuit is I don't know there's something and it's been brought up to some better standards over the years but something very old school

and rough and ready about interlagos and we always get a good race at interlagos and especially with some weather involved yeah love it

love the climb all the way up to the main straight and then the drop down through the centre S and the tricky in the field section love it interlagos

that's my number one circuit on the calendar. But I've got to say, I think I could easily swap some of these around, but I had to put them in order because Ben wanted me to. That's generally how this podcast goes, isn't it? I had to do it because Ben said so. Yeah, true. Do we have to put it out? Yes, Harry. Edit. Go. I've got two follow-up questions before I get into my top 10. The first follow-up question that you've kind of already alluded to, notable omissions. Were there any that just missed the mark that you feel very bad about, not including? Bahrain, because we often get a great race at Bahrain.

I don't know. There's something about, we get a good race, but it doesn't, I don't know, I don't get the same excitement from Bahrain as I do from other tracks. But Bahrain was tough one to leave out because I think we do get some good, good races there. What was the other one that I felt bad about leaving out? no it's gone oh Singapore Singapore is the other one I felt bad about leaving out because again it's quite a cool circuit

we've not been there for a little while but yeah I think Singapore would have been just on the fringes of my top ten and just to be clear we're working on the current version of the calendar so Sochi unfortunately was not on an available option for both of us would have been in there undulation galore right a lot of hillage that's what Sanchi's all about

perhaps on a more serious note but related to that if this was opened up to circuits that have been around the last sort of I don't know five years or so would any of others any others venture onto this list do you think nerbergring got a but Ben loves the nerve-begring but I would put that on there what else I really liked Magello

it was an all right Yeah, it was an all right race, but I really, that was a cool circuit for F-1 cars to get racing around. What else in the last five years that's not there anymore? Oof, you're testing my knowledge now, man. Is Magello making it over Cota on your list? So it was an option? Not quite. Not quite. Not quite.

I don't know. No, I'll go with no. Where have we had? What other circuits that aren't around anymore? Oh God, Hockenheim. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Istanbul, yeah, I think I'll be around, but Hock and I would definitely be in my top 10 if it was currently on the list. Currently on the calendar, sorry.

Hockenheim would definitely be in there for me. Good show. We should be at Hockenheim. That's a tragedy. Anyway. It feels, and I appreciate we might be going slightly off topic here, it is a bit of a tragedy

that they had a great deal. I know that the reason for the deal wasn't great because neither could financially afford it. But the fact that we had a, rolling contract of one year it would be Nerbergering, the next year it'd be Hockenheim. They had the solution. It was right there in front of them and they couldn't maintain it. What an option that is because they're both good.

It's not like one's bad. They're both excellent. So I'm sad that I didn't carry on. And that was at a time where we didn't have like 50 circuits trying to get onto the calendar. Imagine it now. It would work perfectly with what the FIA are trying to achieve. So be it.

We're not there. Okay. My top 10 list. Here we go. There are a lot of similarities between our lists. There are a lot of commonalities in terms of what you've got on yours and what I've got on mine. I think the ordering of some of them might well send fans into a fit of annoyance, but we'll see on that one.

That wouldn't be that far away from commonplace on this podcast. I'm going to start with a circuit that you didn't include, but you did include in your nearly made it. Number 10 is Singapore for me. I hate to bash Monaco. Actually, you know, that's a lie. I quite like it in Sam's absence. But I think it's a better modern day monaco, to be honest.

I think the spectacle of it is, with it being at night, is up there. and I think the circuit works quite well. I don't think it's perfect, which is why it hasn't gone much further up this list. And overtaking can be difficult. They took out the best corner on the circuit with the Singapore Sling. I'm still annoyed at that.

And that's been a long time since they changed it, but I'm still annoyed at it. So it's not perfect, but it works. And it is from a... It stands out, doesn't it? It stands out amongst the... calendar. It has its own uniqueness, which I think has value. So I'll have that at 10.

Number nine, I feel really bad at putting this number nine, but I've found it very difficult to put any higher. Suzuki, I've got a number nine, which is six positions lower. You are an idiot. What are you doing? This is what I said to myself, and I usually say to myself, Ben, why are you being an idiot? Why are you putting Suzuki at nine? And then I said to myself, this. Ben, name three good Japanese Grand Prix from the last 15 years. Yeah, it's a fair point. It's a very fair point. I get that. We don't actually normally get classics. I just love that circuit, man. I love it as well, which is why I didn't want to put it this low, but ultimately, I can only go on the results. And there is an asterisk here in that I have a feeling that the new

cars could be very, very good at Suzuki. I'm hoping I'm right on that, and I don't know whether I am until it happens, but potentially if the new cars work, it can elevate itself back up this list, but at least for now, I've got it at nine. Number eight, we have an exact match at Circuit Jilvilnev. We both have at number eight. Again, going back to the point we made earlier, bad races don't happen there. They all seem to be belters. It's high speed, Wall of Champions is iconic.

I think it works. multiple overtaking opportunities on the track. It's a good race circuit. Number seven, Suzuki Light, I'm calling this, because I haven't quite gone to the depths of ninth for this track, but it is in the same vein, and that is Spa. I've got a seventh place,

which again is five positions lower than what Harry's got it at. It's a similar sort of theory in that I think you can probably pick out more classics from Spar in the last 15 years, but at the same time, I don't know how many you can actually name. It is a great track. And certainly going back to the word of the podcast today, undulation, I don't think anything quite beats the Belgian Grand Prix. But I just feel like the six tracks I've got ahead of it

have all created better races in recent times. So I've got SPAR. Also, I'm not counting 2021 against SPAR, if anyone's wondering. That's not on SPAR. It's not Sparse fault. That's not Sparse fault. Sixth Place is a circuit that did not make Harry Ead's list, but again was a very nearly to make it.

Bahrain, you kind of made the point yourself in that there are pretty much always great races there. We've had some classics. I think it works incredibly well. Could you say that the atmosphere doesn't rival some of these other tracks that are on the top ten list? Absolutely. And if it had a bit more of an atmosphere, I'm sure it would go a bit further. Could do with a bit more in terms of gravel as well. Don't get me wrong. Gravel or grass,

either. That would work very well at Bahrain. But as a track, I think it's brilliantly designed. I really think it works very well for the battles like we saw with Vastatine and Leclair this year. I thought it was brilliant. And generally, it kind of just delivers every year. So maybe I've got it too high, but I've got it six. You'll be delighted to know, Harry, that I haven't got anyone else on my list that was not on your list. So there's no, like, don't worry.

I'm not going to about to shock you with Catalonia at any point, even though it does have one. Even though it does have one of the best turn ones in motorsport. Fifth place is actually another match between the two of us, which is Monza for the same reasons that you gave. Templar Speed. is it the truest test of technical prowess?

No, it's not. Does it create an exciting race? More often than not, it does, yes. And it is a real spectacle there. Fourth, I think I've got this one two positions higher than what you had it, Red Bull Ring. Again, seems to always deliver. And I actually think it's pretty comparable to Monza in that, again,

it's not the truest test of technical prowess, but you've got multiple overtaking operations. opportunities. And you've got these half opportunities as well where you get punished if you get it wrong. We've seen many drivers go off into the gravel when battling side by side into turn four, I think it is, turns four and five. So it works well. My top three, I've been looking at number three all day thinking, am I, am I being silly? Should I put this lower? And I've stuck with it. I have got Baku at third. It's a great circuit. And I, you know, I'm just going to pretend the first one didn't happen. It was the European Grand Prix. And essentially what was what happened there was the powers that be decided you can't call it the European Grand Prix.

We're going to punish you by giving you an awful race. But as soon as they changed it to the Azerbaijan Grand Prix is delivered belter after belter ever since. So Baku gets a nod from me all the way up in third. I think it's, I'm going to slate Monaco again, aren't I? It's everything Monaco should be. It's just so wonderfully high speed. And the danger of those heavy braking zones,

particularly if you like Yuki Sonoda and you don't like using the brakes, it's really tricky for the drivers. Number two, Silverstone. I think if you told me to rank the circuit, like based on their best five corners or something like that, Silverstone would probably end up first because it's got so many fantastic corners. We know cops,

even though you can't put a wheel up the inside of it, is fantastic. Can't do it. No, can't do that. Maggots and Beckett's is both phenomenal. They are still phenomenal to this day. But there are some really underrated overtaking opportunities that aren't slam dunk passes that I absolutely love. So you've got Brooklyn's and you've got Stowe, both of which are great opportunities.

But on both of those corners, you have the opportunity to defend on both the inside and the outside of the corners, which often leads to some really exciting side-by-side action through both of those. So I think as a circuit, it works wonderfully well. But it wasn't quite enough to, again, go with Harry Ead on this. It wasn't enough to defrawn Insalagos because Interlagos is also my favourite circuit. Whether you've already mentioned, epic title races. Look, F1, I'd tell you to do a lot of things and I will continue to do so. But if there's a number one on my list, make Brazil the last race of the season again, please.

Please, just do it. You imagine last year having the finale at Interlagos? Good Lord. Good Lord. Atmospheres, brilliant. It is almost, I'm going to compare it to Hungary here, even though it's a much better circuit than the Hungarang. it is that sort of overgrown carting track feel to the circuit

that I think works very well and again I'm interested to see whether the middle sector opens itself up a little bit more as a result of these new cars maybe but we do agree on what is the best track on the calendar right now well that is law there you go folks

no one's going to go against that we have decreed it which of us is the best track even though we don't care about your opinions whatsoever because you're not right and we are that is definitely a joke please let us know what you think in the discord on Twitter let us know if you agree or disagree with our lists provide your own we'd love to look and see who you've got on there maybe that isn't on there on either of our lists we're going to be looking at the Vastappan and Perez no penalty situation from Monaco right after this so for anyone who's new to

the podcast. Our review episodes that go out every Sunday, check them out. They're always a good amount of fun. We record them straight after the Grand Prix. Now, if you were to put a plus and minus to this, the positives of it are you get our raw reaction and you get it quick. You know, you don't have to wait too long for the episode to be out, which is great. The downside is occasionally things happen during and after our recording sessions, which we're going to pick up on one of of those things now. So Ferrari lodged a protest against both Red Bull drivers for allegedly crossing the pit lane line on the exit as they rejoin the track. Ultimately, it didn't go anywhere for Ferrari, so the results stood. But Harry, I'm wondering from your side, I think the Perez

one is a bit more slam dunk because evidence was provided, which essentially dismantled the whole argument that Ferrari were making, but Verstappen's one was a bit more touch and go. Do you think the FIA made the right decision? Firstly, I want to raise whilst this kerfuffle, and I did a tweet about this

on at our break in on Twitter, follow us, etc. But whilst this kerfuffle around did Vestappen cross the yellow line or the white line on pit exit, and you know,

we were looking at maybe the race. result wouldn't stand because Perez is also under investigation. Over in the United States, where a lot of our listeners are from, hello, Indy 500 was happening and look, no governing body is perfect, but Indy 500, six laps to go as a yellow. And instead of ending it under yellow, this was getting to feel very familiar to Abu Dhabi. They just calmly put a red flag out, going back to the pits, cleared it up. You had a great two-lap shootout.

And the stark contrast to how just, just, exciting and calm that was compared to what happened in Monaco. I'm not going to go an entire Monaco, FIA rant again, because I literally only did it 24 hours ago. But that contrast was just very telling, and it made me sad for F1, because we shouldn't be in this position where we have to have a team protest, a potential penalty that's not even been investigated during the race. Now, like, I feel like I can't comment a huge amount on whether it should have been a penalty not because I don't think we've seen

it at least from the outside of the view enough, I don't know Ben have you seen any more than I have, but enough evidence and when I say evidence, actual footage of whether Vestappo went over the line. I've seen his on board, which looks marginal and I've seen the onboard from Leclair which you can't really tell.

But I think the argument generally is that he touched the line but he didn't go over it. Now, if the rule is you're going over the line fully, I don't know what the wording is, Ben, you might be able to enlighten me on this one. Quite possibly. Is it if you go over the white line fully, is that the actual wording?

And it differs, doesn't it, in two different sportsing codes? It essentially says must not cross. That's vague. Is that vague and is that the basis of my argument in a moment? Maybe, maybe not. Okay, right, I won't still I won't still that too much them. But yeah, it's just

just another case of, of the FIA being a bit rubbish. And we've had a lot of rants over the past 24 hours about the FIA, but, and it's just, why is it not clear? We've been doing this. F1's been doing this now for 71 years.

And yes, the FIA weren't there at the start. But they've, they've, you know, they've been, around a while have the FIA now, the stewarding. Why, and this is a basic rule, isn't it? We, you know, we've had pit lane exit lines for a long time, almost as long as I can remember watching F1. It's not a new thing that's come in.

Why is that rule not completely clear about what is and what isn't a penalty? Because you end up in this situation where another team is protesting, another team's result because of something is true. I say trivial, but it kind of is trivial. just it shouldn't be like that. It should be, did he cross the line? Yes or no. Yes, he did.

Penalty. No, he didn't. No penalty. Or penalty, yes. Or penalty? No, as I wanted to call this feature. But Ben looked at me like I'm stupid. Yeah.

It's just frustrating as hell because, like I said, I was sat watching nearly 500 at the time, which was thrilling. And seemed to be dealt with, you know, you know, governed in a quite efficient way. And we've got a bunch of monkeys. A bunch of monkeys ruling our sport. And it makes me sad. So they go, Ben.

You made me sad with this. That's all right. That's what I'm here for, mate. Yeah. My biggest problem is the inefficiency and the delay of the decision, to be honest. And it's not the first time the FIA have been in this situation. And by golly, it will not be the last. But ultimately, and I've used this analogy before on the podcast,

so long-term lists, I've probably heard this one before, but could you imagine watching the Super Bowl or watching the FIFA World Cup final and then trying to find out who's won four hours later on Twitter? It would be utterly ridiculous. You would not get this in any other sport. So why is this any different? it should be really simple.

That's the problem. There isn't much, there is, you shouldn't be able to create ambiguity on this one. It should just be a very simple rule. If you touch the line or if a wheel is over the line, that's the point of the penalty. And that,

that should be it. It shouldn't be any more complicated than that. But the FIA have, and this is going to shock you ladies and gents, they have confused themselves here. They actually changed, well, the sporting coach.

was changed from 2021 to 2022 to make this more ambiguous and more vague. So to be clear, the sporting code of last year, as I understand it, stated that a car must not be crossed, the line must not be crossed by any part of the car. That is pretty clear. I think you could even be clearer than that, but that's fairly clear. Any part of the car can't cross it. They decided to change it for this year, which now is just it must not cross the line. What part of the car? What part of the line?

When? We don't know. Why have you made this more vague? You're supposed to go in the other direction. They should have kept this incredibly simple. And here's the problem. And this is very typical FIA. So what appears to have happened is the race director's notes and the sporting code are at odds with one another. Peak FIA. The sporting code has changed from 2021 to 2022. But the director's notes do not account for that. So what is it, what it looks like has happened, the rule regarding the line has just been copied and pasted from the 2021. version of the Monaco rules, which aren't correct anymore. So Ferrari, I think rightfully have lodged

a protest here saying, well, the race director notes say this and Vostappan did this. It should be a penalty. Now, fortunately for Red Bull, I think the FIA did technically get the decision right here because the sporting code does overrule and it does supersede the race director's notes. But there's no situation where those two things should say the opposite thing. Okay, I've got a radical idea here. This is what it should be. The car stays to the right or the left, depending on if it's clockwise or anti-clockwise, of the line.

If any part of your car touches that line, you get a penalty. It should be as simple as that. Don't make it any more complicated because at that point, you can say, no, you didn't touch the line, it's not a penalty. Or, yeah, he touched the line, that's a penalty. The protest could be done in seconds, because you've already got that information. I think the FIA have horribly mismanaged this,

and you're right. The contrast to the Indy 500 is quite stark. I'll leave it. I'll leave this point with a bit of an open-ended question. What happened to the virtual, I can't remember what they call it, the virtual sort of stewarding thing they put in place at the end of last year. They decided to bring this in to help with these sorts of decisions.

The virtual steward, I remember that. What did it entail? They had someone on Zoom? I think it was just that basically AI or something along those eyes would help out in these sorts of decisions. But the point is, we haven't heard about this at all. I thought that it was introduced. Like VAR. Yeah.

I thought it was introduced to help situations like this. I mean, that would be quite helpful on this one. It would, wouldn't it? Yeah, yeah. Did it go over the line or not? Yeah, okay. So I think they managed to cause themselves

an unnecessary headache, which, you know, shocker. Causing me a headache. Good Lord. Do you think, like, more, taking it away from just this, incident specifically and looking at like the the protest happening hours after the race and the decision of who's won, you know, isn't confirmed until a bit after that again. Do you think timely

decisions need to be looked? Do you think something needs to be put in place here to ensure that decisions are made straight away? Because even with like the Ocon one, that was made way after, we see it all the time, but qualifying calls that it won't be investigated until after the session. Do you think more in the moment decisions need to take place? Yes, I agree. And I don't know what the makeup is now of the stewards, but it feels like they've got maybe too many people in that room. And I know this is maybe an after effect of Michael Massey,

but it feels like you've got to have, I don't know, I know he's a race director and not steward, so it's slightly different. But I don't know. It feels like it's maybe too many people, because decisions seem to take far too, long. And we've had this for years because was it

2019 Austrian GP when Vostappan overtook Leclair, but they banged wheels and the Claire went off the circuit and it was like how was after the race until we actually knew if Vestappan won or not? So it's not even a like it's a new problem. I'm just going to insert that because I think it maybe I'm getting the year wrong. Maybe it was the same year. There was an F3 race

and it was possibly sworn Sportsman and Armstrong had contact on the last lap, two Pramer drivers. A decision was made, I think, before they crossed the line as to whether they, I think one of them got a penalty for contact that they had up in turn two. Or, sorry, turn three. Basically, decision was made almost instantly. And I think it was the same race weekend as the only reason. And I mentioned it.

I think it was the same race weekend. And this is the thing I think and it's you know we've got lobbying from F1 teams which I guess maybe F3 teams don't do and that lobbying has been toned down or not can't be done anymore

but I'd rather they did I'd almost rather they just like that Schwartzmoe and I think I do remember what you're talking about there the Schwartzman one where they it was you know instantaneous I'd rather it was almost that and it could be viewed as maybe slightly

harsh. I don't want a wrong decision, but I'd rather just have it like a referee in football, it kills a foul, he kills the yellow card, it calls a penalty straight away. Let's have that instead.

Because I'd rather have that than this faffing about for hours after a session has finished, trying to work out if the result's going to stand. I mean, it's a pain in the ass for us because we've got a podcast. We like to go early with our podcast.

Stop making our lives difficult or FIA. God damn it. But yeah, there's something needs to be changed out. I don't know what they need to do to do that because we don't run the FIA. Maybe we should. Just putting it out there.

Just putting it out there. But yeah, something something needs to, could you imagine Sam? It's a steward, by the way. It'll be, going to be chaos. I, no. I can't imagine that. It's called a pizza, Toto.

Anyway, um, uh, yeah, look, I, something's going to change because it's, it's getting slow.

I think this weekend as a whole, um, I don't want to keep banging on about Mollico, but the, the, the slowness to react to situations, both the stewarding and race direction. It's going to,

it's going to turn F1 into a joke. And, uh, with so many new fans coming. and we're going to have a situation eventually where they start turning off again because who's going to want to watch that when it's that misorganised? So someone needs to change again. FIA, we're back here again.

But yeah, it can't keep going on like this. Honestly. Come on FIA, you can do it. I think on that point as well, just with the instant decision versus taking your time. And I get your point in terms of you don't want the wrong. wrong decision to be made. Let's just go to Silverstone last year, the Vestappan-Hamilton incident. If they took five hours to make the decision as to, if they looked at every angle, looked at every possibility and they came to a decision after five hours, would everyone turn around and say, yeah, that's right, they got it right. Well, they took all this time. No, they got it right.

There's no way they were wrong. The people who, the people who would have thought they were wrong, if they made that decision after three seconds, would also think they're wrong if they took three days to make the decision, I think. Exactly. Who's to say what the wrong decision is in a lot of incidents? It is a bit of a, you know, there are ones you can be very clear cut about it, sure,

but there are others where it is more difficult. And ultimately, I think a decision in the moment is just as good as a decision that takes time. And I'm not saying you need to make it like football style within like three seconds of it happening. Like you can take a couple of minutes on this, but I just think you should be as instant as you possibly can while still looking at enough in order to base that decision.

It should be able to happen with the technology, the people that they have. Also, we've had situations where it has been. Yeah. And maybe it's been more clear cut. But I'm thinking Vastappen at Cota when he cut the corner, you know, over at Rikkonen. It was a slam dunk admittedly, but, you know, they saw it, they saw the crime, they gave the penalty straight away, and that was almost because there was a podium coming up and they had to make the decision otherwise it gets a bit embarrassing.

They should treat it like there's always a podium coming. Exactly. Exactly. Otherwise it is embarrassing. It is indeed. We've got some opinions from the Discord on this penalty, whether it was right or wrong not to give a penalty. We'll be listening to those right after this. So now we get to hear whether everyone thinks we're idiots or not. In a feature we're calling Penalties, yes or penult, no. No, okay. We discussed this. You can't say we on that one. You're declaring it that.

Stan would like it if it was it. Yeah, I know. That's literally the reason I don't. Let's have a listen to. to some of those that have come in. Let's start with Shaihan, who isn't talking about Hammy this week, but I just have an opinion

on whether it should have been a penalty or not. Maxi is never, ever wrong. Okay, sometimes, but I'm pretty sure with the FAA not doing anything because I'm biased. There's a theme about to ensue in these audio clips folks, but you watch out

for it. Hammy and Maxi. What a deal. All right. So that's Cheyenne's opinion. Let's go to, let's go to Mr. Number next. Your sub-guise, Mr. Number. And I have three reasons why if I, why the FI did nothing wrong by not giving Max a penalty. And the first one is he crossed just a tiny, tiny bit. And I don't think it was particularly dangerous or anything else. It was just, it was slippery and it was more or less on the exit, on the end of the white line. The second one is, if you look at last year's incident in Russia, Norris on the pit entry crossed the line as well. He crossed it by a huge margin. And it was due to the, it was because he was on slicks still and he was pitting and it was really, very wet. And he only got a

reprimand for that. So, yeah. that's it. And the third reason is that I am a Red Bull fan and I am extremely biased. Peace. You're right. There is a theme starting to develop here. Ah, who knew? Two very valid points there. One, possibly less so, but certainly two valid points in there from Mr. Number. Let's go to Fowler Man 11 for the next one. I think the FIA were correct not to give Max the penalty for not even crossing it, just touching the line. My reason is because I'm a Red Bull fan and I'm majorly biased. I've heard three now.

I'm pretty certain it is a theme. I can't quite pick it out yet. Can't quite put my finger on it. Yeah. Something there, isn't there? Something there. Let's go to Gigawatman. Howdy, F-1 fans. I reviewed a comment from Matino Bonato of Ferrari. In this F-1 TV interview, he said that the Red Bull pit lane violation was unclear. And just like Ferrari's pit strategy, he was unclear whether or not they broke the rules or not.

in protested anyway, so I give it a fair game for the FAA's decision. No call. Thank you. No call. No call. Well, I mean, no bias in there, though. Yeah, good. Good, good.

We're making progress. We are making progress. Let's go to Rai guy for the next one. It's called consistency, bro. you're a governing body figure it out also Ferrari you're a racing team it's called strategy bro figure it out can we can we nick that as a phrase it's called X bro figure it out there's some t-shirts there definitely some t-shirts thank you very much for that rai guy pretty clear what rai thinks on that one. Let's go to, let's go to, I laugh because I know what's coming here. Let's go

to Paolo for this one. I do have a bit of sympathy for the FIA because they're coming up against big man Jonathan Wheatley. The man is a legend and could probably convince me that I'm not actually alive right now. Oh, that's so good. It's so good. Sorry to hear it, Paulo, that you're not actually with us, but Big man, Jonathan Wheatley. Here comes big man Jonathan Wheatley. Oh, wow.

I get a great reasoning, right? Jonathan Wheatley. Let's go to get old Brexit Beth on this one. She did predictably have a go at me for saying that she doesn't like French people. Apparently that's not true.

so let's hear what she says here. The FIA. I think the main problem really is we, with the FIA, it seems to be, well, on this scenario, we did this, and because of this and this and this and this and that is the problem, is every single time there's a reason why we didn't go for a certain decision. and I think that needs to be much more streamlined. There needs to be less of a case where you can argue,

oh, because of this, this is the reason why we did not think of a penalty. It should just be a slam dunk on there's a certain set of things that you have to abide by, and if for some reason you didn't abide by that, well, sorry, babes, you're getting a penalty. It was the perfect opportunity with these new regulations to say, okay, wipe the slate clean, this is how we're going to do it now. But it's the FIA, so they've not done it.

Should Max have got a penalty? Maybe, I don't know, do I particularly care? No, I just want the FIA to get their life together. Tell us what you really feel. Yeah. That was, you know, that was a rant. Do you reckon it's because the FIA are based in France? That's why I shouldn't like him.

Maybe. I feel like we need to clarify this because sometimes I get caught in the trap of thinking everyone's always listen to every episode we've ever done. And some people are going to be new. Firstly, welcome. Welcome in. Beth has no association to Brexit whatsoever, at least as far as we're aware. Perfectly okay with French people as well.

Just thought to put that out there. Thank you for your opinion, though, Beth. The last submission we've got is from Viggin Spiker. Hey guys, love the podcast. Vig and Spiker from the Discord. Look, on penalties, whether or not Max crossed the line, a penalty is a penalty. If you cross the line, it's a penalty.

Same with Albon. If you wave 600 blue flags and he still doesn't move aside, it's a penalty. You've got to be consistent. Either you call them all or you call none of them. It looks like they're kind of airing on the NHL playoff side, of refereeing where you don't call any this weekend. Big ice hockey fans here. Ice hockey reference, nice.

Yeah, unfortunately, ice hockey is a reference that we'll go over both of our heads. But I'm going to assume, based on the rest of your argument, actually, Biggs, Spiker, that you were right in what you said there because you made a lot of sense. Thank you to everyone. He said he loves the podcast. Oh, God, actually, yeah, I forgot about that.

Don't listen to the guy at all. If you're going to put flattery in your audio clip, it's getting on. That's just as a tip. Yeah. And if you are new, we always look for bold predictions in our preview episodes and driver of the days in the review podcasts as well. If you can submit your voice notes by Discord, and then we'll play some of them out for you.

We are getting an increasing number week on week, which is fantastic, but it does mean that we are somewhat having to be selective about who gets on. So basically, just make it really funny and you have more of a chance. It's true. It's very true. But we really appreciate everyone getting involved. It's fantastic. Let's move on to something involving George Russell and Lewis Hamilton. So this came up as a Discord mention a few weeks ago.

We have something in there called Topic Ideas. and I think this came in from our old favorite Bobo's Nuts who asked whether Lewis Hamilton and George Russell's whether their relationship and their battle against each other as teammates whether it has the potential to go down the same path as what happened with Chal LaClair and Sebastian Vettel at Ferrari. Now we know Chaulea Clare came into Ferrari only one year of experience managed to narrowly beat Vettel in 2019

2020 pretty much dominated him, 2021, Vettles out of the Ferrari door. Harry, do you think there's any chance that this goes down that path somewhat? I think there's always that chance, but I think it's very unlikely. You know, I wouldn't completely rule it out just for the sake of I'm not right about anything. but um but you know yeah yeah he's on the vent but yeah

I don't see this guy I think we we need to remember that Lewis Hinton is not having his greatest year I think it's fair to say but you know and maybe I think we saw glimpses last year look he's still a phenomenal driver but I think we saw glimpses last year

that maybe he's just just coming down off the peak of his of his powers I think speaking of his powers have been 18, 19, 20, those years were at its peak. And he's just maybe slightly coming off the back of that. That's not to say that he's not still operating at a phenomenal level, because I think he is. But I think it's a fair argument that maybe he's not quite where he was a couple of years ago.

Having said that, the gap between Russell and Hamilton this year has, is maybe slightly more exaggerated so far than it would be. because I think there are occasions like Australia, Hamilton got done by the safety car, Miami got done by the safety car, and let's not forget that weekend. I think Hamilton had the measure of Russell pace-wise. I think Miami is one of his more convincing ones. Spain, I'm lucky again with that contact. I think he might have been quicker than Russell during the race.

Different situations, but there's an argument there at least at the same pace. And then Monaco, I think, you know, Russell did have the measure of them this weekend, but the gap wouldn't have been as big if Hamilton hadn't been stuck behind Jano Alonzo for half an hour. So I don't think Russell's he's not absolutely smashing Hamilton.

He's doing a very good job. I think that should be made clear. But yeah, and to be fair to LeClaire and Vettel, I don't think LeClau started smashing Vettel in his first year. Vettel was there or thereabout. and there's only in year two that it started to go downhill.

So I guess it's one to monitor, but I'd hazard a guess that where Hamilton is right now is sort of a higher level than where Sebastian Vetter was in 2019 just in terms of his driving ability. So, yeah, look, if it, you know, a few years down the line, I think we could be at that point, but I don't think we are quite there now. It'll be interesting to see how this dynamic plays out,

because, you know, Lewis Hamilton doesn't lose to teammates very often. Last time he did, he lost the championship. And then the time before that, it was Jensen Button, I think. That was 2011. So this doesn't happen very often in his career. And it's maybe, you know, something he has to contend with now as he reaches the latter part of his career.

But, yeah, like you said, I think there's a chance could go the same way, but I find it hard to believe that it will. At least if it does, it's not happening. so quite as abruptly as it did with Vetterland-Laclure. This is incredibly random and has nothing to do really with anything you just said. However, when you mentioned Hamilton's teammates and going back to 2016 was the last time he lost to a teammate and then you have to go back to 2011 before that, it reminded me of all of Hamilton's teammates and it, of course, reminded me of his best teammate,

Heikiko-Linan. And it just reminded me of the time that the FIA, not the F-A-A-F-1 themselves. They put out that top-10 qualifiers of all time list. And Hakey Koviline, it was like eighth or something. The simpler time, wasn't it? I forgot that. What was they basing that one again?

I completely forgot. I can't remember. But they had Hake-K-O-Line. I think basically, Yano truly was a great qualifier for, like, 95% of his career. And the only bad year he had in terms of qualifying was his last. year at Lotus against Hekikova-Lyden. So by that metric, Heikikoviliden looked incredible. Anyway, I did prefix that with, it's not going to anything to do, and I was very much

right on that. In terms of on paper here, you would say that there is some potential. So if you're just looking at the points without any context, George Russell, currently, as we record now, after seven races, has 84 points. Lewis Hamilton has 50, so essentially a first place and a fifth place between them. So it's a fair gap, really, between Russell and Hamilton at this point. If we're looking at where LeClaire and Vettel were after seven races in 2019, it was Vettel who had the advantage. Vettel was 94 points to 72 points ahead of Chau LeClaire.

And it's important to remember that whilst Vettel got absolutely crushed by Leclair in 2020. In 2019, it was incredibly close. So Lecler did end up winning the season. However, I believe, with three races to go, Vettel had the lead and he ended up losing out by, I can't remember what it was. It wasn't more than 10 points, I don't think. It was a narrow one, maybe five points or so. So Vettel was competitive with Lecler all the way through that 2019 season. So if you're looking at the points and the points alone, you might say, yeah, there is a chance of this. But as you've kind of already referenced, Harry, you need to go beyond just the numbers here because they don't tell the true story about how the Mercedes have stacked up against each other this year. I think Toto

Wolf said at the weekend that they think their pace has been pretty much identical all year, and I'd probably agree with that. Luck has decided a lot of this. I think if you put the two drivers alongside each other and told me who's had the better year, I'd probably go for Russell, even without the context of it being Russell's first year in the Mercedes. I think he has had a very minor edge, but it's not a 34 point edge. Definitely not. And if Russell had had all of the bad luck that Hamilton had and Hamilton had all the luck that Russell had, Hamilton would be beating Russell at the championship.

I'm pretty sure of that. So I think they are pretty evenly matched. But so were Vettlin and Lecler at this point in their relationship as well. So maybe there is the potential it going to be. down a similar path. Ultimately, we have to remember that neither of those two drivers are in their peak. You're right. I think with Hamilton in that his prime was 18 to 20, I think he is just one step down from

that now. And I want to be very clear, it's one step down. I'm not saying he's falling off a cliff here. He is still elite. And he might well be elite for a number of years to come. Who knows? Maybe he becomes the Tompriced. Brady of F1, where every year it's like, okay, he's probably going to regress now.

And you're set there and he's like, oh, he's 45 years old now and he's still incredible. Maybe that will happen with Hamilton as well. But also maybe not. I have a feeling that it won't drop off for Hamilton, like instantly, but it will be a gradual decline until he ends up giving it up. Who knows when that will be. But we have to remember that Russell's not in his, we don't think Russell's in his prime either. like Russell should theoretically be getting towards his prime,

but he should have a number of years that he is operating at a better level than what he currently is. So this is all to say that the gap between Russell and Hamilton now, whatever you say that is, it should only work more in Russell's favour the longer time goes on with those two as teammates at the same side. My instinct here is that Vetter and Lechler, it was instant, right? was fine. They were pretty much level. 2020 comes along.

Vettel is... LeClau wipes the floor clean with Vettel. I cannot see the same thing happening to Hamilton. Instead, I think it would be a gradual drop until the point where Hamilton says, I'm going to cut my losses here and I'm going to leave it. Whether that's two years time, five years time, whether he gives it up before he reaches that point,

I don't know. but I don't think it happens in the same quite explosive downfall way that it happened at Ferrari. Sorry, before you just move on, on that, the point of Hamilton and, you know, that one step down, I can't remember a time,

I don't know last year who was in a championship battle, and this year he's fighting in the midfield a bit more often, but Hamilton doesn't often get into scrapes when he's racing, and there's been a couple of occasions this year, not suggesting either of them have been his fault. But yeah, a bit of wheel knocking. We obviously sort with Doha and we sort of Manxen, again,

not saying that was either of those his fault. But just an interesting one, because you always think of Hamilton as someone who keeps his nose clean, he's always thinking of the bigger picture, especially Lewis Hamilton of today. Just an interesting one. It wasn't even requiring an answer, Ben, but I just like throw it out there. It is an interesting one of those things that. that comes to a driver as they start to

and again, I'm not saying how long has lost it, I'm just saying, just remarking that you don't see that happen very often for him. Yeah, I think it is the car going back down to that sort of, I know it's the lead of the midfield, but it is still a midfield level right now. Because if you think of like, especially 2014 to 16 really, there was only generally week to week, only one car he could crash with.

and that was his teammate because he's so much quicker than everyone else that he hasn't even got the possibility to get into scraps whereas now as we often see like if you are starting

in eighth or ninth then you can get in the mix obviously the Magnuson one we both agree was not Hamilton's fault whatsoever but if he's on pole he doesn't get into that sort of thing so I think

the worst you qualify or the worse the car is for your qualifying to not be very good the more chance you've got of finding yourself in that situation. Hamilton fans, we're still saying he's good, all right? Don't come for us.

And if you are going to come for us, at Samuel Sage F1. Yeah, Sam thinks that Hamilton is washed. He's going to love that. Do you fancy ending with some pump the brakes? Yeah, go on, then. We'll have from Sam. Well, exactly, yeah.

We'll get Dave Benz and Phillips on the on the podcast as the third person, maybe. But we will give a pump the brakes right after this. So even though Sam is not on the podcast, he is technically going to be on the podcast for a matter of like four seconds right now. We're absolutely discovered that we don't actually do this live every time if no one had noticed.

Oh no, this is live. We've literally brought in Sam recovering from surgery to scream at the top of his lungs and push back is recovery by like two weeks. Right. Cheers, Sam. Off you, Jay. Cheers, Sam.

Pump the brakes. Usually that's how this works is that the three of us will give an opinion. And then if both of the other people don't like that opinion, don't think it's right. We will say pump the brakes, in which case you get gunged by Dave Benson Phillips. I don't know why I'm explaining this. It's really, really basic rules, right? Yeah. We give opinions.

We basically determine whether they're right or not or whether we should just stop thinking. Do you have an interesting pump the brakes for us this week? No. Good. No. Yes, I do. So, off the back of the Monaco GP,

I saw a tweet from, I name them, their rival podcast, but it's Jess McFadden, she works for Autisport. I saw a tweet from the race and said, the people who like that sort of racing, and we say that sort of racing where they were very close

but didn't overtake. I like the same people who like strip clubs. They're like in anticipation. They're like all the anticipation, but you know, never the end result. And my point of breaks is that I think I'd rather have

30 lap. And I'm not saying this is monoco-specific, but I'm saying, rather have 30 laps of nose to tail racing and I appreciate I'd like some you know possibility of an overtake not just because they're

stuck there but nose to tail where there aren't any overtakes than an entire race of DRS overtakes I was going to I was going to tell you off for mentioning a rival podcast um

yellow card for myself exactly but actually that's a really funny quote, so I'll let fluff for it. There are our rival podcasts out there, folks. They are better than ours, though,

so don't check them out. No, they're not an idiot. No good, Ben. Don't say they're good. Yes, we are the elite of F1 podcasts. Anyway, do I think you're right?

Do I think you're right? I think you are right, yes. Even though I was pretty critical of Monaco and will remain critical of Monaco. The fact that you included there is the opportunity to get the pass done, you know, that does enough for me. Ultimately, yeah, the DRS passes.

You can watch them all day, but particularly if they're done before the breaking zone, it doesn't do much for you, right? Ultimately, we want to see the drivers work hard for the overtakes. Enough of an opportunity to try and make it happen, but not easy enough that it's a done deal. That's the middle ground. That's what we want. So absolutely. I would rather see 30 laps of nose to tail, provided they have a few opportunities to try and possibly make a move, but not quite get it done. So I'm going to agree with you on that one. Thanks, Ben.

Do you think that is more of a – oh, I was going to use the word. purist, but it didn't mean purist, but more of the view of someone, a longer-term fan, I should say. So not someone who's new to the sport. Do you think that would, I think that view would hold true with someone who's brand new to F1? If they had to watch a race and there were no overtakes, but all the cards were close together, do you think that? I mean, people can let us know. If you knew, then let us know. But I'm just interested to think whether that's something that, that because we've been watching F1 a while, we might appreciate that more than a DRS overtake,

even if it is an overtake. I think that's a really interesting one. My opinion on it is that maybe a very brand new fan needs those overtakes. Like I'm talking first few races watching because there needs to be that explosivity, like that thing that jumps off the screen that causes them to watch again.

However, if you've watched half a season or so, I think you get to the point where you understand the drivers and the sport well enough to know of the difficulty of getting past. And there's almost like an appreciation of what they're trying to do. To which at that point, I don't think you would need all of those overtakes. So I can understand it from a very, very new standpoint. point. But I think these sweeping generalisation that people who are just coming into the sport need action every second and need overtakes here and everywhere because they've come across

from drive to survive or whatever. I don't think that's right. And I do think that it doesn't take too long to gain that appreciation for that sort of racing. Great answer. I agree. Well, that's enough of agreeing with me. Dave Benson Phillips is going to get his money's worth here. He is going to get the gung out because I don't think you're going to agree with this one because I'm going to I'm appealing to the wrong audience here for this I think um Mick Schumacher he's at a he's had a tough start to 2022 now 2021 it was a difficult one to judge for him because number one he was against mazapin who didn't shower himself in glory um and secondly the hasse was so slow that he was only against Mazapin.

So it's really tough to judge him last year. But now the Hass is starting to become more of a midfield player. It is Magnuson more often than not that is leading the charge for the team. And Schumacher has had a couple of big expensive crashes so far this year. My opinion is that if Alfa Romeo don't want him, and they stick with the same lineup, Hasse should get Teoporporcheir in the car. ahead of Mick Schumacher for next season. Now, obviously my initial reaction as a Schumacher fanboy

is just immediate pump the break. Exactly. But no, I am still going to say punt in the brace, but I have some reasoning behind it. I should have gone. I think... What are we going to say? No, that's the one right.

Joseph Gunge. That's the one. Oh, go on, Dave. Nice. Sam says, uh, gunge me daddy. Oh, oh, Sam. Uh, he didn't say that.

No, no, but he probably won't. Um, oh, God, I'm a bit gross. Uh, what was my point going to be? Look, I, I will be the first to admit that Mixtramack is not a great start of the year. But in, in, in his, fence and look he can't keep doing it i'm not saying he can keep doing what he's been doing you know two big crashes uh he's had a couple of slow like his race in spain was just slow um he can't keep doing that but i think he's shown enough considering that he's up against kamag

this year and not mazapin i think he's shown enough pace uh so far up against kamag but I think he'll do enough to keep his seat for next year. But I agree that it can't carry on. If it carries on as it is, then then he's looking at possibly possibility of no drive. But I think he just needs to tidy up a little bit because I think he has shown enough. It needs to be more.

But I think he has shown enough so far to prove that he, he deserves that seat. But I can see the viewpoint because to get in a bit spenny for old good. them to, yeah, they can't afford to, especially for a team that it has, they can't afford to do that. So, but yeah, I am saying punt in the brakes just because I think he has shown him just enough so far. I have to say, actually, to be honest, the driving force behind that opinion isn't actually Mick Schumacher, it's probably more Porsche in that regardless of how well Schumacher does,

I think poor share is a star. Like, I think poor share can be one of the elite of Fyre. if he carries through on his potential, whereas I don't think Schumacher, even on his best day, has that same ability. So actually it's not just about Schumacher's struggles in the car. I actually think it's, you don't want to miss up the opportunity for Porsche. And he is a Salba junior driver,

which is why I'm saying that they would probably have the first attempt at getting him. But if they want to keep Shoguan Ye in the car and a space comes out at Haas, I think they should jump on that opportunity. Don't agree. I see your point. I do like Porsche. I think he is a good driver.

You never know with F1, do you? Because you can show all the talent in F2. And then it sometimes doesn't work out. Jolian Palmer. Oh, come on now. Poor Joanie. Any joking, Jolian. To be fair to tell you, Paul Shear, he's 18 years old.

That's mad. And, well, actually, that probably helps your argument in that he could, he doesn't win the championship this year, you could probably give him an extra year. And it's not like he's 22, 23, and he's starting to get older than the drivers that are already there. He's got years ahead of him, doesn't he? Very true.

Just need some more cars on the grid. So that's the solution to that. All right. That's going to conclude this podcast. Bring back H.R.T. Andrea Moda. right. That's who we need.

Andrea Moda. That's a 90s F1 reference for anyone who didn't understand. Stop gatekeeping, come on. So usually we'd go to Sam to do the outro to the podcast. Obviously, he's not here. So we tried to do this on Sunday, not very successfully. So we're going to try and do a better job of it today and probably not succeed. Okay.

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