The Late Braking F1 Podcast - What does Verstappen need to do to beat Hamilton? | Episode 119

Episode Date: May 12, 2021

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This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Thank you for listening to the late-breaking F-1 podcast. Make sure to look out for new episodes every Thursday and Grand Prix Sundays. Hello and a very warm welcome to the late-breaking F-1 podcast. Four races into the season, hopefully another 19 still to come this year. We've got a week's break until Monaco hits us, at least for F1. We're not going to be in Monaco, unfortunately. We believe F1 will be there.

Massive shape, of course. But we try it our best. My name's Ben Hocking. Thank you ever so much. Welcome along if you are new. And welcome back if you are not new. If you've been with us before, Sam Sage and Harry Yead, of course, are alongside.

How's it going, guys? Yeah, it's good. I'd like to be in Monaco. If someone would like to arrange sponsorship or payment to take the three of us to Monaco, I'll be forever in your debt. So let's go. Give us a call.

I mean, if anyone listening is rich enough to go to Monaco and has the money spare, definitely call us because we want to be your friends. Not that we're shallow, but we are. Yeah, we are. Well said. Well said. And we will pay you back, obviously, in approximately 5,000 years of time. Anyway, we've got more to discuss this evening. we're going to be handing out some grades to drivers that have joined new teams this season.

How have they fared to this point? Yuki Sonoda had some choice words to say after his Q1 elimination at the Spanish Grand Prix. We're going to be discussing that. And F1 back and forth, of course, makes an appearance. But firstly, we're going to be talking Lewis Hamilton versus Max Verstapp, and it's the story that's dominated this first part of the season. 14 points separate them at this point. Hamilton having won three races and finished second at one race.

Vastappen, the reverse. He's won once and then finished second three times. And then they've had one fastest lap bonus point each. So Sam, for you, what has been the difference to this point? Is it driver performance, car performance, luck? What is it for you? It's so close. The fact that obviously after four races is a 14 point gap,

I think he's quite deceptive. I think realistically, every single race could have gone the other way at the flip of a coin, at the snip of a finger. You don't skip your fingers, you click your fingers. You might go.

Please do not snip your fingers anyone that would be painful. Yeah, please don't do that. Not good. Don't advise that. Anyway, so we'll go back to Bahrain. Max Verstaffing, of course, I think was quite foolish

in the way that he dealt with the whole illegal overtake on Lewis Hamilton. Had he played that a little bit more sensibly, thought about the situation and what was going on with that situation, I feel like Mustafa can go easily have taken that victory

and that swings the gap back again another seven points is one wing in it and it's the same the other side when it comes to Spain

you know Mercedes not Hamilton yes but Mercedes more so with a difference maker in the Spanish Grand Prix and if Red Bull were able to think

as far ahead as what Mercedes were able to do and that gap immediately comes back down to almost being in Vastappan's favour rather than Hamilton's favour and he can execute

that same strategy for Stefan had that Grand Prix relatively solved, relatively wrapped up. It's so hard to have a take around, Catalonia, that you need such a big advantage on tyres. Of course, Hamilton managed to gain that due to that incredible strategy that a few people up and down the grid

managed to pull off, Hamilton being one of them. And it looked even more impressive, of course, because it was for the race win. So the difference maker is, I think, very, very tough to tell, because in a lot of we only had four races as well. For me, I think bad choices and Hamilton being quit.

overall are the two things. The Stappers made some poor choices. He's not been off the pace at all, apart from on a Saturday, where he's qualifying, as a minute is because I think it should be. But it's Hamilton being a widely old fox. Mosegis being off a great strategy.

For Stappen making a couple of poor choices that is just setting aside. But I think these things will balance out over the full course of the championship. We can easily get down to that last race and there can only be a few points between it. Let's hope that sprint qualifying, whatever it's going to be called.

The sprint race doesn't decide this because it feels like it's closing enough. think it could. Could you imagine? Could you imagine? So I mean on that point Sam if you think it's going to continue throughout this year, 14 points separate them at the moment. Can you see at least some point Vastappan actually resuming the lead of this championship fight? I mean he's never had the league of the championship fight, I'd like to add. But no, I don't. I think Red Bull and Verstappan are still playing catch-out. I think the Seiz have got a winning mentality. They're a championship winning team.

They know what it takes. They are serial winners, as is Lewis Hamilton. I do think Hamilton is still the overall favourite. Hamilton knows what he's doing under pressure when it comes to a championship victory. He's only ever lost one twice, I suppose. If you talk about the very first one, they lost by one point to Kimi Ryken. And then, of course, Toneika Rosberg. So out of, you know, the possible nine world titles, he probably could have won.

Seven is pretty good. He knows what he's doing. I think the Staffing's still going to play catch up. I don't think they've got that understanding of being in front. properly out in front. And Bostappan, currently, I don't know if he can pull off what Vettel did in the season, of course, where he was tow-to-to-to-t, with three or four other very, very good drivers. That's the closest comparison I can really think of at the moment between age, team, level of

ability and what's going on the front of the grid. So I think Bostappan is always going to be playing catch-up, but I do think that that gap is going to shrink, grow, shrink, and I wouldn't be surprised if we do get to Abu Dhabi, and it is, again, a race-wing difference, or it is, third. first and second place difference. I would not be shocked at him. What do you reckon, Harry, when you look at the gap between the two drivers, what do you think has been the main instigator behind that?

I think, well, Sam's already mentioned, Hamilton's Speed is, you know, got to be up there as one of the number one reasons. And then I think in turn, that has enabled Mercedes to execute some really great strategies. and I'm obviously thinking Bahrain and Spain as the main ones here where they've just outfox Red Bull but on both occasions really I don't know if Estappan was was clearly quicker in Bahrain and that overtake didn't work out for him obviously

but he was put in that position because Red Bull got outfox on strategy really well I say outfox I think Rebel had the better strategy but again Hamilton Speed and Mercedes with a good strategy kind of won the day yeah so strategy on that front for Mercedes Hamilton speed in both I mean Portemale he was just quicker than anyone during that race

and then you know even in Imola where he fell off the track and I know he got slightly lucky with the red flag but he still had to come through the field and we saw that Botas had struggled to do that all race so he still managed to do it and got back up to P2 which rather salvaged that situation so yeah you know I've seen no

few things saying it's Red Bull making mistakes and I don't think they've been too mistake ridden. I think, you know, maybe they should have not told Max to give the place back straight away in Bahrain. Yeah, but that's hindsight. Like, how are you? Bless you, you then. Yeah, that's hindsight. I don't know how you can say that's really a mistake on their front. In Spain, potentially a mistake to not call him Vestappen when Hamilton had Pitt.

but again, I think that's hindsight. I think that could have gone either way pretty easily. So, yeah, I wouldn't put it down to Red Bull mistakes. I'd say, like I say, I think they've been outclassed a few times on strategy, but not really mistakes. So, yeah, it's just as Sam says. Mercedes are serial winners, and I think we're really experiencing that at the moment

when they're up against another team for a championship fight. Yeah, absolutely. you know one thing I would say here is that when you are as a team bad or at least at least comparatively bad against Mercedes is actually quite one of the very few benefits is it's quite easy to work out what you need to do if you were to try and to answer the question of last year or the year before the year before that why didn't max rastap and win the driver's championship in 2019 or 2020 it's very easy to answer the question the car was nowhere near good enough. So Red Bull's strategy is a very simple, well, not very simple,

but they know exactly what they need to do. They need to improve the car. The problem is, right now, the car is pretty similar in terms of pace between Mercedes and Red Bull. I don't think there's a lot in it. And actually, I think Vestappen, in terms of pure speed, is right there with Hamilton as well, but yet they're still losing. So it's a bit, it's a bit more difficult now that they're in this fight to actually answer the question of what more do they need to do. And actually, if you look at the three races in which they haven't taken a race win this year, of course, all but Imala. Again, the difficult thing for Red Bullies, I don't think there's been one reason each time as to what, I don't think there's been one reason across all three races as to why they haven't won. I think there's actually an individual reason at each race.

So from my perspective, at least, if you're looking at Bahrain, the reason they didn't win there was driver error. I think it was on Vastappen that he didn't get that overtake done. whether you want to blame the way in which he handled the overtake or whether you just want to look at the overtake itself and just say he should have got that done. Maybe he should have got back in the fight and been able to make an overtake the following lap or two laps time. Regardless, I think it was driver error that he didn't get that win.

We then go to, obviously, he won at Imola. We then go to Portugal. And on that occasion, I think it was car performance. I think the Mercedes had the measure of Red Bull on that day. And even though Vastappen was able to get Valtry Bottas, thanks to some, I know the overtake was technically on track, but I think it was largely down to what they did in the pits. Again, that's a different reason as to why they didn't win compared to Bahrain. And then you look at the last race in Spain, and I think it's another reason again,

because I think it was purely strategic the reason that they didn't win. You know, Hamilton and Mercedes were able to outthink Red Bull. And as a result of that, Vastappen was, you know, they could have pit him one lap after, but he'd have come out behind and lost the race. You know, just a different way to how he eventually did end up losing the race, which was by being a sitting duck with a few laps to go. So you've got three races there, three second places for Vestappen, and for my money, one of them was down to driver error, one of them was down to strategic error,

and one of them was down to car performance. You haven't got one reason all the way through, which would actually make it much easier for Red Bull to plan their attack from here. Having said all of that, I mean, with Lewis Hamilton, I think it just proves to Red Bull and Vestabell, and Vastappen that it takes more than just being as quick as Hamilton in order to beat him. Because I really think in terms of pace, there is not a lot between Vastappan and Hamilton at all, yet Hamilton's winning by 14 points.

There's a reason for that. And it just shows that there is more to it. Hamilton is able to pull out these overtakes. And in the crucial moments, he's clinical when he needs to be. And I don't necessarily think it's always been a trait of his. and I think it's something he's really developed over the last few years. It's not only being quick, but being quick when it especially matters. Having said all of that, I will say, and I don't want this to come across the wrong way at all for Lewis Hamilton,

but I think the 14-point gap does flatter Hamilton ever so slightly. When I say that, I mean that Vastappen's four races to this point have all been, I don't want to use the word deserved, but, you know, he should have got second in Bahrain because he didn't make that move. He should have got first in Imola because he dominated that race, and he should have got second at the last two races. That's what he earned. Hamilton, you can say in three of the races, the three wins, that he absolutely earned all three of them. He kept Vastappen behind him in Bahrain. He did a great job in executing the strategy in Spain.

And in Portugal, he overtook both Bottas and Vastappen to win. He deserves all three of those. He earned all three of those. Imola, he got lucky at Imola. and I don't know how many points he would have claimed if that red flag didn't come straight after his incident, but likelihood is it wasn't going to be 18. How many, you know, even if it was eight, let's say it was eight,

he would still be leading the championship by four points. So I still think overall Hamilton has done enough to lead this championship to this point. But I think because of that race, I think that's the one and only result of their two respective seasons to this point where a little bit of luck was involved. And I think he claimed more from that weekend and potentially he deserved due to that error.

Having said that, though, I don't think it would have been 14 points less, so Hamilton would still be leading. A question for you on this one, Sam. If Vastappen, obviously his intention is going to be to win the driver's championship, does Hamilton have to regress this season in order for that to happen, regardless of how good for Stappan is? What's interesting is I feel like people, I can't really am saying this after someone and win seven world titles.

I feel like people are starting to actually realize how good Lewis Hamilton is. He's not just the bloke who's got the fastest car and he's against Valtry Bottas who is all right. Valtry Bottas, if you were to put him up against the other 17 drivers or whatever it is along the grid, he'd probably beat them. There's a pretty strong chance that Valdry Bottas

would be faster on raw pace than every single other drive on the grid other than Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton. So I think Max Verstaffin has to elevate his game continually. I don't think Max Verstaffin is at the same level as Lewis Hamilton. So yes, Hamilton either have to regress, or Sergei Perez needs to step up. The difficulty that Verstappen has, regardless of how good he is at the moment,

is even if Lewis Hamilton is having an 8 out of 10 and not a 10 out of 10 maybe saw in Portugal, is Vastafin then also needs to beat the 6 or 7 out of 10 Valtrey Bottas, which is following him up. That immediately stops any cool strategy choices happening. It can't go do anything bold. He can't switch up a little bit in qualifying.

Whereas Hamilton knows full well that, I'm going to make that pit stop. I'm going to drop 24 seconds back from the lead in one race. I'm going to overtake my teammate ruthlessly in one swipe of a move. And then I can catch up 20 seconds in less than 20 laps to you because your teammates go anywhere near. If Perez inherited second place after Maxwell Stappen, that doesn't become a viable option.

That becomes incredibly difficult to pull off. Hamilton then has to go past the actual rival of his, not a teammate. I mean, Bottas made it more difficult than he'd see. but Hamilton easily swept in the side. Perez needs to step up. It needs to be a team versus team fight. Bottas, as much as I don't think he's having a good season,

is still doing enough to make it difficult for Red Bull, which is enough for a second driver. Perez is not. So either Hamilton has to regress, Perez needs to step up, or both need to happen, I think, for Red Bull to really capitalize with the staff on winning a world championship.

Hamilton is not down on his luck yet. It's another couple of years it feels like until Hamilton even starts to lose that raw ability. so you need absolutely everything and the kitchen sink to be thrown right at Hamilton all in one go to have a realistic chance

of taking them down Max de Saffin did the right thing when he did that first pass move in Imola, that first corner move, sorry, got the others out, made it stick, did the right thing with that same move the difference is of course

that Imola's a really tough track to overtake on Hamilton made a silly mistake and just got lucky but Staphan needs more of that you need to get more luck your way with a teammate to back you up which he hasn't had so far

for the last three to four seasons now since Ricardo was in the cut. So a lot of factors, I think, need to come together to be Lewis Hamilton, and I think that tells you a lot. What do you reckon, Harry? Do you think that regardless of how good Vestappen is this season,

even if he's on the top of his game, do you think that needs to be complemented by Hamilton making some maybe uncharacteristic errors? I mean, it would absolutely help Vastappen's cause, wouldn't it? But I think the likelihood is very unlikely. isn't it, of Hamilton's starting to make...

He made an error in Imola and I wouldn't I wouldn't be sure that he'd make another error like that again this year, maybe in the next two years. That's the kind of consistency that Hamilton has. And even when he does make the errors, he tends to come back for them and still score 18 points. So, yeah, I agree with what Sam said

in terms of there's lots of factors that need to be involved. You know, ask Nico Rosberg. Rosberg was obviously great in 2016 but he still had to have some other factors involved to beat Lewis Hamilton. Hamilton had some reliability issues that year and it still went down to the wire

so I think it's some luck's going to have to happen I think for Verstappen because I think yeah I agree with what he said Ben I think Verstappen and Hamilton on raw pace are very similar this year and it's taking

the other elements of Hamilton and the Mercedes team, their other skills to beat to beat Red Bull. So it's making it even more difficult. It's not just on speed alone, because we've seen them go toe to toe, and, you know, this happens, won two of those occasions, should we say, if we're on track this year. So, yeah, it's going to take a lot.

It's going to make some bad luck for Mercedes. I agree with Sam. checkers going to have to be involved in this fight, at least to like rule out botas, even if it's not getting in Hounds and said, I think if you take botas out of the equation, it makes life more easy for this happen. So, yeah, I mean, that is, again, what Sam said, it's shocking that people are just realizing how good he is, that you need all of these things to just, just to beat him is quite incredible. Yeah, yeah, it's absolutely correct. I still find it ridiculous.

You spoke about reliability of Lewis Hamilton. I think this was a graphic that flashed up during that race at Imola. His last DNF was the 2018 Austrian Grand Prix. And I could be wrong on this, but I feel like the retirement before that was the Malaysian Grand Prix. Oh, no. I think there's been one retirement since that happened, which is absolutely crazy. I saw a statistic of some variation that said, he'd had eight retirements in the entire hybrid era, something like that,

eight to 12 maximum, which is incredible because through this hybrid era is now, what, seven to eight years old? He's had pretty much, on average, won a season on a real push. Most of them came in the Rosberg season of 2016. Yeah, yeah, pretty crazy. And just to say, before we move on from me, that regardless of, you know, who's in the lead of the championship, isn't it just brilliant that we can even have a discussion about Hamilton going toe to toe with someone for a title.

It might be premature, but we are only four races in. But, you know, we're actually able to discuss four Grand Prix to this point, all of which, for my money, have been good races. And in all four of them, we've had the two of them, dueling it out for wins, which is a nice bit of freshness, isn't it? I know it's not the topic that we're on. It's a bit off track. but in terms of quality of races,

the last season and a half has been pretty bloody brilliant in terms of exciting Grand Prix. We've had more incredible moments on track it feels like over the last 17, 18 races than we feel like we've had almost in the last six years kind of thing. The last season was brilliant.

Almost every race was an absolute bang and there's only one or two that were really kind of and the start of this season already has been really bloody exciting. Formula One, it feels like it's on the up in terms of exciting on track action. let's hope that the new spec cars coming next season can really deliver something that carries that momentum on

since the start of the 2020 season apart from I would say the Spanish Grand Prix last year have we had a bad race I think that is the only one Abadabie? Yeah Abidabie possibly That's just Abidabby things isn't it Yeah I just choose to forget

Abidabie exists really So two races at the last 17 having duds. 15 out of 17, I'll take that. You know, those old things everywhere. It's pretty good going. It's pretty good going. Anyway, we're going to move on.

So, as we say, four races in, and the drivers at new teams in 2021, they've had a bit of a time to adjust now. So we're talking Carlos Sines, obviously at Ferrari, Daniel Ricardo, now at McLaren, Sergio Perez at Red Bull, Sebastian Vettel,

Aston Martin. And we're going to throw up Fernando Alonzo in there as well, even though he's technically not joined a new team. He's back in Formula One, obviously. So you've got five drivers there. And we're going to grade them, sort of A plus to F, on how well we think they're doing to this point. So Sam, I'll start with you, and we'll start with Carlos Sines.

What do you think? Carlos Sines is doing exactly what I thought and wanted Carlos Sites to do. He came into that first race. It was good, good, not great, but, you know, fine. something you expect in a nudity, especially a Ferrari, which is, I feel culturally very hard to adjust to. I know he's up against Gogler-Cler, we know how good Goghler is, especially in that Ferrari, just seems to know how to pour every ounce of speed out of it. And each race, it feels like Carlo Sites has just grown more and more and more comfortable.

He's really showing that true skill that a lot of us have known his hag for quite some time. It's an underrated driver. I'm really impressed with Carlos Sites. I would not go as far as an A-plus, but he's really delivering. he's showing great track plays, making some good moves, qualifying well. I would give him a solid B plus, I think. Harry, what grade are you going for Carlos? I might go one above Sam.

I might go for an A-minus. Yeah, I totally agree with what Sam says. I think he has almost flown under the radar slightly. But he's doing a solid job against God Leclair. Let's not forget, he is a god. Um, yeah, I mean, Lechler's been just doing the Clare of things, but I think Sine's considering certainly race four, I think he's done a really solid job in that car. Yeah, like I said, kind of just flown under the radar, got things done.

Yeah, I've been pretty impressed. I mean, if I say impressed, like, he, like, I didn't expect much, but it was, yeah, what, for Sam said, what I kind of expected signs to be like, and I'm glad he hasn't struggled, like he hasn't Renault so far. so yeah i'll go for a minus for color signs yeah i have to say i didn't think this was going to work signs to ferrari um i i honestly thought that leclair was going to wipe the floor with them and i'm i'm happy to say that i'm wrong on this one because signs has done a good job this is i think this is one where if you just look at the statistics you don't actually get a good measure of what a

good job science has done this year because you could look at the stats and say well charler has finished ahead in all four of the races we've had so far and in terms of points, Leclair has 40 and signs has 20. So on those stats, it seems as if Charle-Laclair is doing a pretty dominant job. But if you look a bit deeper than that, Carlos Sines is pretty much there every single session that they have. You know, even in qualifying, you know, Charles LeClaire has pulled out a couple of great laps in Q3, but if you're to take sort of the Q1 and the Q2 and the Q3 times and

sort of add them all up, Charlotte-Ler is only winning 7-6. Like, it's really close between them. and generally speaking, when there is a different, it's a tenth, two tenths. Spain was a prime example. They were almost stuck together throughout qualifying until Charles LeClaire pulled out a really good lap at the end of Q3. I think in the races, you know, Charles LeClaire's been helped a bit. Not been helped, he's helped himself, really, in terms of grid positions. You know, Spain, signs probably would have got ahead of Ricardo if it was any other track. Similarly, at Portugal, Charles LeClair seemed to be on the better strategy compared to,

compared to Carlos Sines. So I've been really impressed, and I didn't think I would be this impressed at this point. I'm going to agree with Harry. I'm going to give him an A-minus. I think he's done a really good job. Let's move on to the person who's replaced Carlos Sines at McLaren. Daniel Ricardo, what are you going for here, Sam?

So I'm going to, to, to me, he's not done as well as Carlos Sites, but if we redo this quiz test, for everyone I call it, it may be another four or five races time, then I really think that Daniel is probably the prime candidate. It's not crime pandigate. That's not words. He's a crime of panda. I prefer that version.

He's a crime pandigate to see that grade go way up the scale. So I'm going to give me a C plus for Daniel Ricardo. Ricardo's most recent race, Spain. That was great. That is Daniel Ricardo getting to the point where I am used to seeing Daniel Ricardo. The first three races on the other hand is my voice, were not the Daniel Ricardo we used to. We're not Daniel Ricardo that we know and love.

He was really struggling to set into that car, it felt like. But also, on the flip side, Lando Norris has been like a little beast in that McLaren at the start of this season. The man's form has been ridiculously good. You know, sorry, Daniel, can I get past, please? Oh, sorry, Daniel, I'm four and a half seconds up the road now. Bye. Like, on Daniel Ricardo.

That's some people that some say if he was in, you know, the Mercedes now, if he was in the Red Bull now, he would beat the Staffman and Hamilton. That's how highly some people rate Daniel Ricardo. So I think we come back maybe race nine, race 10. Daniel Ricardo is starting to settle. The tables might be starting to turn a little bit as he finds his feet.

I think this is now where Daniel can go. As soon as that rope round, pulls it on there and starts pulling it back towards him. So it's a C plus for now, but I would not be shocked if we get to the end of the season, midpoint the season, and he's on a B, a B plus, even closer to an A. because the guy just knows how to drive quickly. He does it all so well and he looks so, so good, so frustrating.

It is a regular source of frustration, just how good Daniel Ricardo looks. Harry, are you going more generous or not on this one? I'm going to be more generous again than Sam. I'm going to give him a B. I think Ricardo has, I mean, he had disastrous quality in Portemal and his race pace as Sam said, Norris has been absolutely mighty this year and so Ricardo's race pace hasn't been anywhere near it really but he's outqualified Lando three times in the past four races

I mean he's not lacking that much speed I know what Imola Norris got his time deleted but stay in the trap mate and you won't get your time deleted so God damn right you tell him yeah can you tell the whole grid while you're at it yeah it was deaf ears mate Yeah, so I don't think Ricardo's had that bad a time.

I think it's just, you know, looked worse because of how good Norris has been in the race. He had, as I said, bad time in Portamaulay. But he, again, made up for it in the race. He came back into the points. So, yeah, I think Ricardo's had a pretty... I think Ricardo said a better start to his McLaren career than he did to his Renault.

So, yeah, I'm going to give him Ricky B. I am going to give Daniel Ricardo a C on this one. Looking at the, I mean, sometimes the stats, I know I just said on the signs one, sometimes you need to look deeper into the stats, but here I think they paint a pretty accurate picture in the first race Norris beaten by 20 seconds, the second race he beaten by 27 seconds,

the third race he beaten by 24 seconds. And that second one, obviously the 27 seconds one, that was Imola, where a safety car probably flattered that amount as well. That could have been higher than that. I don't think Ricardo's been terrible. And I will often say that drivers joining new teams is a really difficult task. And Ricardo himself has seen that when he joined Renault. And I'm with Sam's line of thinking here, really, that by race 9, race 10, I'm sure. sure this is going to be better than a C grade.

But at the moment, he has struggled quite a lot. Spain was definitely, the good news is, if you want an encouraging race, you want it to be the most recent one to indicate that it's going to get better. And his Spanish Grand Prix was by far his best race so far. So I have little doubt that he'll get there, but I don't think he's quite adjusted yet. Sergio Perez, Sam, what have you got for this one? Sergio Perez is so confusing that man. And I try really hard to be non-biased, because I have a fan of Sergio and Perez.

I very much like him. I need to compare him to the same trend that we did with Gazley and Albon when they went to that seat. And I guess I do have higher expectations of Perez because he's an experienced driver at this point. He should be able to get to grips with what's going on. And he's had some good and he's had some bad.

I felt sorry for him in Bahrain, and yet he still turned out an absolutely brilliant performance. We then, of course, went to Imola, and it was just fault after fault for him at Imala. It was not good enough at all. We go to Porta Mall. It's not really there, but at the same time, he has moments of really strong pace. And in Spain, we kind of got caught up at the start, wasn't able to deliver what he wanted to. But then came back, and the result was kind of what you wanted it to be right at the end.

I'm going to give him a C-minus. I'm not disheartened, but I am expecting a bit more to come. from him. And I think that red ball is particularly tricky to get hold of. He is improving well in qualifying. He's doing all right. That is his weak spot. I just want to see a little bit of that kind of long-term tire wear Perez magic that just sees him pull of performance out of nowhere. And I haven't had that delivered yet, but we are only four races in. And I, I, Perez is great at adapting. Perez is great at knowing what happens, you know, with the car and he's great at reading of race. I think he's having a bit of pressure. Classic Red Bull, maybe a little bit of

toxicity going on there. We have seen it, of course, with the youngsters. I think Perez can deliver. Again, I think Perez is very much at the risk of we could get to race 10 and redo this, and actually Perez could very much go the other way to Daniel Ricardo, and it could drop all the way down if he doesn't get sorted by race 10, race 11. And I will be on the opinion that he needs to be doing a lot more. So Perez is in a risky position.

For me, it's all right. He can pick this up and carry on and he can progress. But a couple more slips, and it's down the grain with him, I think. And the grade for that one? Oh, do I want to give me, I thought it's like C minus. I might miss it, fair enough. C minus. Oh, good. I'm going completely mad.

No, I must have to be chucking checker down the drain. Get down that drain, checker down there. Get down there. Right. Just to clarify, we don't have Sergio Perez hostage for those of you that can't see video at the moment. It's all good. Harry, what's your grade for, and I might even listen to you on. Oh, thanks.

I actually agree with Sam. I'm going to also go for a C-minus. I think, yeah, Jacko has, he just needs a week, like a whole weekend of good, because he's shown lots of glimpses of goodness. They just don't, they're not consistent enough to be a good weekend. So, you know, Bahrain's qualifying wasn't great, and then he obviously broke down on the way to the grid, but then had a really sodded race.

Imola qualifying was mighty, terrible race. Portsmouth. Can't remember having a portemal. Me on. It was a long time ago. It was like a week and a half ago. You couldn't remember Perez's name on the podcast a couple of weeks ago. Do you just really not like him?

I do like. I like Checo. Oh, sorry. No hate against you, Checo, mate. If you're listening. Yeah, and then in Spain, you know, Cuali wasn't great. He made some moves in the race. Yeah, he needs to string together a whole weekend.

And, you know, we've always spoken about it. It's important for the title fight for Red Bull. But, you know, even for his own career, I think he just needs some sort of weekends. But we know he can do it. It's not like he's an unknown quantity. We know Perez can string together those solid weekends. So, yeah, I'm not worried. But going by the first four races, I'll go with a C-minus.

Well, in the immortal words of Oprah Winfrey, you get a C-minus. You get a C-minus. You get a C-minus. Thank you, your prep. No problem at all. Yeah, C-minus for me as well. I agree with the points that you've made there. I think one thing that I would raise here, and it's not so important after race four, but I think in five, six races time it is going to be more important. We're comparing him a lot to Gassley and Alba,

because we know the job that Red Bull want him to do is the job that they couldn't do. I have to remember that Perez has got a better car at his disposal than what Albin and Gazley did. You know, in 2019, when Gansley was there, it might have been the second fast. It was pretty much on a par, I would say, with the Ferrari that year for second, but, you know, the Mercedes was well out ahead of them in 2019. Again, 2020, Red Bull was a very clear second, but Mercedes were far better than what Albin had to drive last year. At least four races into this season, it seems as if, comparative to Mercedes, they have got a better car than what Gassley and Albon were able to drive. So if you look at the podium containing three drivers and you look at Red Bull and Mercedes having four drivers between them

and four races in Perez hasn't been on the podium yet, it doesn't look great. So he's got a lot of work to make up. I am still under the belief that he will get there. But for the moment at least, you're right, Sam. It's confusing because there have been a few glimpses of goodness in there. There have also been some Albanesque or Gazile esk moments too. So I'm going to go

C-minus for now. We'll see how it pans out. There is folks. We've got the hashtag for the podcast, hashtag glimpses of goodness. I mean, that could be on the description, isn't it? Very small glimpses, but glimpses nonetheless. One every six episodes. That's our only review. Sam Vettel, Sam.

what have you got for him? A lot of the time, I forget that Seb Vetter is on the track, so that tells you a lot. I'm a big Sedbetel fan. I really enjoy him. I like his driving style. He's had one proper good moment, and that was the qualifying in Portugal. And I was, in my head, I convinced myself that because we're now going to go back to a track that Sebi Bet has driven a lot in his career, we're back at Spain, he knows Spain,

he's won at Spain. He's going to be good here. He's going to be right here. And it just kind of fell apart again. It just kind of ended up in the middle of nowhere, not really achieving too much. And that's kind of almost been the case for the majority of the season.

So I'm going to give Seby Vett a D-minus. Strohl has shown some proper good moments. Strohl has gained some proper decent points. And Stroh has regularly been fighting on the cusp of where those Ferraris and McLarency are being. Now the Alpins have suddenly turned up and there, and that's what too. So I've been more in present scroll by far than I haven't Betel.

I know Betel is a bit of tough love. Maybe everyone's expecting that because he's a full-time world champion might roll back into that form. But he gets a bit of a kick-up the old backside, I think. And hopefully he gets there. Hopefully he is on par and scoring some good points. But right now, it's not good. It's not good.

I think he'll lead into it. I hope I pray that we get somebody bit back. But right now it's a D-minus. He's just not at it. What grade are you going for, Harry? I'm going to give them the same grade as Checo I'm going to give him a C-minus I think if you

and not to compare I don't want to compare those two but mistake wise Seb ran into the back of Ocon in Bahrain which was pretty rookie but apart from that I know he hasn't been particularly fast he had the good qualifying in Portemattle

he's been I mean the past couple of races there or thereabouts with Stroll. I mean, he was in that battle on Sunday. I think he was the same again

for Portemau. I just don't think the cars... And I agree with what Sam said about Strow. I think Stroll's actually been another one he's flown under the radar

this year in terms of good performances. No one's really talked about him. Bless him. But, yeah, I don't think it's been as bad as maybe it seems for Veto.

I just think where that car is on the grid, no one's really paying much attention to it. So, yeah, I don't think it's, I don't think it's been awful, but it's not been great. But I think that quality we saw in Portemarle was encouraging at least.

But, you know, I don't think that car's going to go too further up the grid this year. So, yeah, I think C-minus. I think I'm happy with that. As long as you think you're happy with it, that's tough for us. It's the conviction of my arguments, which makes me so convincing. You won't remember it. He'll forget tomorrow. I'll give him a B plus, didn't I?

No? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm actually going to go somewhere in the middle of you. I'm going to go D plus. The qualifying is a bit damning in that he's losing 3-1 to Lance Strolling qualifying at the moment. Obviously, Portemau was probably his best moment where he did out-qualify Stroll and did, you know, Rich Q3 did a good job. Let's not forget, and this is no disrespect to, to, Sergei Sorokin.

Lance Stroll was someone who was outqualified by Sergei Sorokkin 138. That's a fair point. Stroh, you know, stroll's a decent driver. Don't get me wrong, but qualifying is not his strength. It never has been. I'm pretty sure his debut season, he outqualified Felipe Massa, who at the time was 63 years old, three times. And his first season at Racing Point against Sergio Perez, he, I think again, out-qualified.

in three times across the whole year. And as I say, Stroll is a solid driver within the race. You know, his start is a legendary. And generally, I think this season he's done a good job. But qualifying is not his forte. So it's a little worrying to see Vettel having lost three times already to him. Yeah, the mistake in Bahrain was a rookie error, as you say, Harry. And generally, there hasn't been that much to cheer at this point in time.

Hopefully he gets it back. Remains to be seen, though. And lastly, Fernando Alonzo, obviously not joining a team from another team, but he's joining from the Formula One Abyss. So, Sam, what are you going for? The Abyss. I don't know, what other word do you want? You just go into a bit when you've retired.

The outback. I don't know. It's like he was in the sale bin and then like a new season's come out and they've gone. He was. He was. Getting back on the shelf. Get him back on the shelf. You know those toys where you're,

you like press their foot and they do something. He actually goes like this. He does the old two-time world champ dance. Two-time world champ. Everyone do it. You just press his foot. Two-time world champ. Fernando Alonso, if we're talking about comedic moments

or moments of great radio or moments I've just enjoyed watching on the on the telly, he's like a. I've loved watching Fernando back in the sport. It's so good having him where he is. Um, but in terms of actual race, sorry, I just want also to speak on that moment in him and there again, where that big crash happened in the camera pan and he was still just sat in the grass also. Oh, he's got a scaddle.

Just hilarious. So funny. Going to go fast. I don't go out of it. I've seen me brats. Um, a mustache. Um, so it's just so funny to me that he's like, he can make him sat against hell with his eyes. Like, that suspicious dog.

Like, have they seen me? Oh, God. The camera's there. Um, hilarious. So in that moment, yeah. For Adam Alonso himself, Ocon, again, is like Skrull, massively under the radar. Ocon, the last couple of races, has pulled it out of nowhere, in my opinion, and has done some brilliant drives. Alonso hasn't been too far off, I don't think.

I think Alonso, for me, is going to get a C-plus. I think he's getting there. I don't think he'll ever return to what we once saw, unfortunately. You know, time out, he's getting older, whatever. But he's still great to have in the car. It still shows how good he is. and I'm exciting to see more. I do think the more comfortable he gets,

the more will get a bit of old year-long-so back. But for now, it's satisfactory for what I wanted. Well, that's good to hear, as long as you're happy enough, so. Very good. Harry, are you going at C-plus as well or something else? A-plus, mate. He's God. Of course. No, I am going to go for a B-minus for Fernando.

Obviously, I love him, but yeah, he's quality pace has not been anywhere. And I think even if he looked back at his career, his qualifying has never been really his strong point. He's obviously got quite a few polls, but it's never actually been a Saturday qualifier. It's not really been his thing. And it's definitely not been his thing this year. And it's, you know, not been great. And as Sam said, Ocon's been pretty impressive in the past couple of races in particular. but I think what the encouraging thing is for Alonzo

is that his race pace, where he's always been strong, this year has still been pretty impressive. Thinking Bahrain, Portemale, where again he'd recover from a bad qualifying, which is his own fault. But yeah, his race pace is still there. So he can still put it out the bag for a race. He just needs to improve on his quality, I think, and he'll get closer to the old Fernando that we all love.

You know, I know Sam, you said about, you know, A for being on the TV and stuff in his team radio. He's not really said much. He hardly heard him. There was a great moment. And not just him, Reg, I'm talking about, like, moments behind the wheel. I don't know if you've seen it, the clip of him starting his, yeah, his warm, he's qualifying lap in Spain.

He's like, ah, his car's in front, his car's in front, his carth in front, clears it off. So he puts his foot down, and the poor bloke really loops the car, and his reflexes to spin that, and then go two on Grimars an hour down the straight, like, like that. was incredible. And I'm like, that is so a long-so. I love it.

Yeah. Yeah, it's like the most flamboyant way to start a qualifying lap. Almost bin it. Yeah. And then do qualify that. But, um, yeah. So what did I say?

Be my. That's it. Classic. I am going to go with a C-plus. I'm going to do with Sam on this one. Um, yeah, I think he's been all right.

It's been encouraging in parts. And I think the real question for Alonzo is, after having been out of the sport for a while, he's 40 years old now, is that the peak? Is there a bit more from him? Is there a lot more from him? I think those questions are going to remain unanswered for the time being. And I think as the season goes on, we'll be able to find out exactly,

you know, has it just been a case of, oh, he was out of F1 for a few years? He was a bit rusty. He's going to get back to somewhere near his best soon. Or is it, you know, this is it. This is what Alonzo is capable of right now. I don't really know what the answer is at the moment. and only the racing will really tell us at this point. I think, you know, what you said about Porta Mao is right,

in that his race pace was electric at Portaamau. He actually qualified somewhere. It had been on for a winner. But, you know, it was quite interesting as well with Daniel Ricardo having to fight his way back through the field in the same way that Alonzo sort of did. Alonzo kicked on in the final stint where Ricardo couldn't. So, you know, Alonzo outclassed Ricardo on a very similar strategy that day.

And other races, I think you're writing what you say, that he needs to sort of qualifying out slightly because if you're to look at Spain, he was outqualified by Ocon by quite a few positions and they were both on the one-stop strategy where most had transitioned to a two. Ocon had the track position to just about scrape a P9 in the end. Obviously, he had Gassley right on his tail at the end of the race.

Alonzo didn't have that buffer. And as a result, he dropped down the order as the laps went away in the last few. So I think qualifying is going to be a big aspect of his success this season and whether he can get that back. But yeah, C-plus, I think he's done an all right job to this point. I'm excited to see if there's more to come. We'll move on then to Yuki Sonoda. So after finding P9 on his debut in Bahrain, he's failed to finish three races.

Sorry, he's failed to score at three races in a row now. He got knocked out a Q1 at the Circuit to Catalonia last time out of the Spanish Grand Prix. had some interesting words about the car. So this is what he had to say. He said that every time it's the opposite, and the opposite he's referring to, is his feedback compared to Gansley's feedback. He had a little bit of a question mark,

if it's the same car. You know, the character of the car is different. Maybe it's just the driving style, but doesn't know. He doesn't understand why he's struggling this much at this point. So, Harry, why do you think this is? What do you think about his comments mainly? Do you think that they were inappropriate?

Look, we all love little Yuki Sonoda, a little fiery rocket that is Yuki Sonoda. And we, you know, all three of us agree, we don't want our F-1 drivers bland. No one wants a bland, rich tea racing driver. No one wants a boiled potato of a racing driver. Yeah, yeah, Paul Tracy. So look, we all want a passionate. a F1 driver, but you can't race four into your F1 career question whether you're being given the same equipment.

And maybe I don't know whether it's, you didn't mean it like that, but it, you know, it sounds like he's questioning whether he's been given the same equipment as his teammate Gassley, which it's just not, ask Fernando Alonzo about bridges and burning them down. Just don't do it, especially race four into your career. It's just not a wise move. you know, he'll learn from it. But, yeah, it was just a silly one. Whether it's correct, I don't think it is.

I mean, in terms of taking feedback, you know, if you've got Gassley and Yuki Sonoda and Sonoda saying something entirely different for a setup, because both cars go in similar directions and up to a point, if Sonoda is saying something completely different compared to GASley, it's understandable that the engineer's going to go

with what Gassley's saying, rather than what Senoda is saying because Sunoda's done four races so yeah it's a trick on for young Yuki, it just needs to I think calm down a bit and maybe concentrate on pulling a whole weekend together

yeah absolutely Sam what's your feelings on his comments as Harry said we love the little rocket the Sunoda star ship but all with tea in the front of it of it of course for that Sanooga branding. The man is absolutely hilarious.

He's brilliant. He's such a personality. I love that he's in Formula One, and I want him in Formula One for a long time. We've got a lot of fondness for a lot of Japanese drivers throughout history, and I think Yuki is just the next skin line of brilliant personalities that have joined the sport.

So, like, I love that he's speaking up. At the same time, I'm slightly nervous that there are going to be some higher powers that are going to very much not like that he's speaking up about the car so early on into his career. They're also going to trust Gazli's feedback more. Gazle's been out that team for now a considerable period of time. Gasly is joining with Red Bull of course for that season,

so he's got that expertise. When you give feedback and you can drive as fast as Gasly can, you've got the experience of Gazley now does, it kind of makes sense to side with what Gasly is saying and push that way forward. Yuki is having some hit-on-miss races. I think he's going to put it together. We know Yuki's got talent.

He won what, I think three F-2 races last season. The guy put up some brilliant performances. He had a great performance in Bahrain for round one. Absolutely slung it around the outside of my long. So you don't see that from a rookie, you know, all the time. And the fact that one rookie is overtaking another one is absolutely fantastic. So well done Yuki Sankoda. Of course, the problem there is he hasn't been able to deliver that consistent performance through Imala,

through Porta, and through Spain. I mean, a lot of people made mistakes in Imola, but Yuki's was very, very rookie-esque. He just kind of over-digging it on the throttle, or just loop the car around without even being really too close to people, which is a shame

and he's just had some problems. He's got a longer confidence in himself to be like a shout up about conspiracy theories maybe not having the same car. And it'll be a revelation if they come out to be true, but I somehow don't think they will be. I think Alpertaria really in the place to start picking obvious favorites

and giving someone a dud car. So it's outlandish, it's great, I love hearing it. Whether it's going to help him in the long run, I don't know. But hey, as Harry said, we don't want rich team drivers. hobgobs and custard creams and fox's chocolate coated biscuits all in their f-1 cars and brunch bars so

we want them all we do not want a rich tea i thought this podcast episode might go through without a brunch bar reference but never never never now i mean at this point we could very easily go on seamlessly as if nothing has happened we've we've been here for the last 30 minutes trying to get to this point because of technical errors um But here's my view on Yuki Sanoda and what he's had to say, finally. Honestly, Sam and Harry have just been waiting in anticipation. And the bottom line is I basically agree with what they say in that we don't want our drivers to be overly bland. We don't want them to be these robots that are programmed to give nothing away in their interviews.

We want them to be honest and open. And actually the way in which he came out and said that, you know, It's not responding, you know, our feedback's very different. I think our driving styles might be different. That's absolutely fine. And I think if he just said that, then I would be not only okay with this. I thought, yeah, that's great that he's being honest about his struggles in the car. The problem is he's insinuated here that the car's different.

And, you know, I don't think it's a wise point to make. You don't want to make enemies. I don't think there's any reason why they would be against Yuki Sanoda and giving him a different car because, you know, they hold him in very high esteem. They could have had Albin in the car if they wanted to. They chose against that for for Yuki Sonoda. And we know Ghazli struggles with the team internally. So I don't see any reason why they would purposefully sabotage Sonoda season or just put

full emphasis on the way Ghazdi wants to drive. I think this is a case where French toast probably isn't going to be very happy about this. He's going to sit him down. French toast has been around for a long time, even if Lewis Hamilton is isn't aware of it and, you know, he'll set him right and he'll make sure that he doesn't come out with comments like this again. It's a learning curve, but, you know, he's a rookie.

That's what happens in the first year of Formula One driver's careers. It just needs to learn to butter him up, really. Nice. I was about saying, do you think Yuki Sonoda is actually in charge of our recording tool and he heard us? He heard us criticised him. He's like, nope, that is enough. That is enough.

My original answer was much more horrible against him, and I've learned my lesson on that, and we're going to go back to being Yuki Sonoda propagandists. Yeah, I mean, we've been recording since Sunday afternoon, and it's now nearly Thursday morning, so that's how painful this has been. Actually, 2022. Yes.

We're building up to the 2022 Monaco Grand Prix. Love it. Cool. Let's move on to our final topic, which is F1 back and forth. F1 Back and forth, it's F1 Back and forth It goes backwards

Then goes forth, it's F1 Back and forth, it's F1 Here we go If you haven't watched before, or listen before, F1 back and forth is a fairly simple concept It's a fairly simple game, and it will be Sam against Harry. There will be a category, there will be a number of correct answers They go back and forth until one of them can't think of an

answer or gives a wrong answer. This is a bit of a staple of the show. So those of you that have watched before, I'm sure you'll have seen before. And we encourage you to join along, see how many you can name. Can you name more than Harry and Sam combined? I'd be impressed if you do. So you'll be pleased to know, it's actually a fairly simple one. It's not overly complex. It's not how many you get, but it's fairly simple. It's straightforward to the point where I only want you to name Formula One world champions. There are 33 of them in total, spanning 1950 to 2020, and you've just got to name as many as you can.

So, Sam, I feel like there are probably a few obvious ones to start here. So what's your first answer? It's definitely got some time scale, right? That I think I end up going underneath the game. No, 1950 to 2020. Right. Okay. Well, Lewis Hamilton, the reigning.

Ah, he's falling at the third. No, well done. Correct answer. Harry. Nico Rosberg. Nico Rosberg was a world champion, the last world champion, or the last unique world champion at least.

Sam. Sebastian Vettel. Sebastian Vettel. It still seems crazy that only one person has won a world title new since Vettel won. It's been a very dominant kind of decade or so, isn't it? What's your next answer, please, Harry?

Jensen Button. J.B., 2009 World Champion, Sam. Fernando Alonso. Two-time World Champ. To tell him to bring that out in the clubs on 20 versus June. For those who are listening and not watching along, Sam is dancing,

unsurprisingly. Harry, what's your next answer? Michael Schumacher He won a couple, didn't he? He won a lot of you. He got a win or two under his belt. Yeah, Schumacher's correct. He got a win at Denetton car.

Love it. Sam? Kimmy Reikinen. 2007 champ is correct, Harry. Mika Hakenan. Another two-time world champ but a bit before Fernando Alonzo. Correct answer?

Sam. uh huanguel fangio correct answer we're in old school early on harry we were doing very well on the old uh quinology there ever whipped out fangio sorry um i will go for oh god the least deserving world champion shat vilnav i'd already crossed it off before you finish that sentence which uh which is very clear as to how much you just like that man I kind of want you to leave that one to you, so maybe there is method in my madness. Alan Prost. Alam Prost is a correct answer, Harry. Damon Dad Joke Hill.

Good old ill. Love the guy. Sam. Eerton Senna? Eton Senna, multiple time world champion. Harry. Nigel Mansell. The must be.

Nigel Mansell. Correct answer. Back to you, Sam. Nicky Lauder. Three-time champ, Nicky Lauder, yeah. Harry. Three-time wood chap. What's that dance? That's the question. James Hunt. Yep, of course, battled Lauder for his one championship.

Sam. Nelson P.K. Three-time champ as well. Correct answer. Alan Jones 1980 Formula One world champion Correct Going along nicely Sam Emerson fitter palerby

Two-time champ in the 70s Old school two-time World champ Correct answer though Harry Kecky Rosberg Yep the other Rosberg is correct Another one from the 80s

Sam Jackie Stewart Three-time champ I almost didn't give it to you for the accent But yes, it's a correct answer Harry Graham Hill Graham Hill

Is a correct answer Sam If I say what we've always said Am I, is that alright? Is that a lot of names? That's all right. Jim Clark We haven't had Jim Clark yet

Come on champion in the 60s. Harry? Mike Hawthorne? Yeah. First British champion in the 1950s. You're going along nicely here. You've got 24 of the 33 to this point.

Sam. Blimey. Go back down under. Jack Brabham. Champion three times over. Harry. Um Was it Ascari?

Ablato Ascari? Yeah, he was Another two-time champ in the 50s Sam Yoccan Rint Yes, 1970 world champion The only posthumous world champion Um, Harry

Posthumously correct Who was John Serti's a champ He was world champ in 1964. Sam, going along very well, just five left. Jody Schechter. Jodie Schechter, 1979 world champion.

Four to go. Harry, have you got any more names left up your sleeve? I don't think I do. No, Johnny Herbert, he wasn't a champion. Shig up big. Champions, not legends, just champions. Champion of our heart. That counts.

No, I'll call it. Can't be very much. Concession from Harry Ead, giving Sam the win on this one. Good effort from you both with just four to go. Could you name any more, Sam? Phil Hill. Phil Hill, the third of the Phil's to win a title. Unrelated to the other American Andretti.

Yeah. To marry your jumps Hill and Michael How could you forget Michael? I've definitely It's Marco not Michael I'm going to get the name wrong

I can't remember his first name Obviously the bloke that won it first Yeah Ferrena Yeah Yeah Giuseppe or Nino Farina Yeah

And the final one Is from down under I can't remember his surname Mark Weber Yeah Yeah, Mark Weber won the world title. Unless Mark Weber was driving at minus 20 years old, I don't think quite is here. Denny Holm!

Denny Holm! World champion in 1967. Well done. Managed to run the gourdlet. Come on! All the world champions. Sam knows them all. It is the only thing in Formula One I'm actually relatively knowledgeable. we'll have to

have to avoid Formula One world champions in future so I can go back to making you both look stupid again yes please thanks Ben no worries no one I'm a heart F1 back and forth it's F1

back and forth it goes backwards then goes forth it's F1 back and forth F1 Cool. That's going to do it for this episode. It's been a much longer episode than you might have listened to, guys. You might be happy getting to the end of the hour. We've been here for four days. So Sam, get us out of here so we don't have to waste too much more time of people's

lives. Oh, sorry, folks. It's being a little bit low energy at the end. We're all pretty knackered. Next week might come out a little bit late. We've got some things going on in personal lives. That means that we might be recording a day or so late next week for the Monaco preview. but there will be a Monaco preview episode and there will be a Monaco review episode they will be happening so please make sure you come back check us out. We'll be posting on social media as well when those are live so make sure you keep guys on that

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