The Late Braking F1 Podcast - What is going on at Alpine?!

Episode Date: June 2, 2024

Ben, Harry and Sam discuss the latest team personnel drama including the departure of Alpine's long-serving Operations Director, and Aston Martin's targeting of Ferrari Technical Director. They also discuss Williams' tease of huge upcoming performance, and Ocon's response to online criticism, before finishing with a game of Pump the Brakes... FOLLOW us on socials! You can find us on YouTube, Instagram, X (Twitter) and TikTok SUPPORT our Patreon for bonus episodes, historic race reviews & more! JOIN our Discord community JOIN our F1 Fantasy League: SIGN UP & create your team, and JOIN our league (join code: C3PHEQHPU04) BUY our Merch SEND us something! We have a brand new PO box - address: Late Braking Podcast, PO Box 821, TRURO TR1 9PE EMAIL us at [e-mail] & SUBSCRIBE to our podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Thank you for listening to the Late Breaking F1 podcast. Make sure to check out new episodes every Wednesday and every Sunday. And a very warm welcome to the late breaking F1 podcast presented by Harry Ead, Sam Sage, and me, Ben Hocking, on a non-race Sunday. The worst kind of Sunday, Sam. The worst kind of Sunday, said Ben to the podcast host. It's so like a kick story.

It was. No, yeah, it's terrible. The world is ending. Bring back Formula One. Although I was watching Indy Next, as I call it, Indy NXT. I was earlier on today. They like a good crash in that, don't they? They're pucking each other around.

That was good fun. And then there's the indie, which is actual indie, which is just started, I think. So I'm missing that for this, which is joyous. So I hope you're happy. This is a good start to a podcast, actually, isn't it? Just telling everyone else what I should be doing instead of my time. Harry, you're here. Hello.

Yeah, don't worry, Sam, because they did take off hours in the races, especially around street circuits, because it's always like caution, caution, another caution. Not yellow flags. Would you like another caution? How about a caution? Buy one caution, get one caution free. Exactly.

So it'll still be going by the time we finish recording this. I'm well. Are we well? I think we're well. Are you well? Get some water out of me because I'm well. Anyway, we are actually in a very good mood. We are well because.

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But again, if you're not part of our Patreon, we get general sale on Saturday 8th of June. Should we kick on with the show itself? Because we've got a lot to get through. We've got pump the brakes coming up later on. It's been a while since we've had one of those. Williams, expecting more performance in future races. Aston Martin trying to poach Ferrari staff possibly. But we'll start with the absolute mess that is Alpine,

because you might have thought, well, they haven't got anyone working there anymore. They can't lose anyone else. You'd be wrong. The operations director, Rob White, has left the team, which might be a kind way of saying he was fired. He was there for 20 years as the operations director. And according to the team, this is part of the ongoing task of restructuring. The team is thankful for Rob's efforts during his long career,

where he led the championship winning engine project in 2005 and 2006. We wish him the best in future endeavors. Sam, it's another great day to be Alpine. I mean, at this point, they have more ties on the card than they actually are staff. I know we joke about how few that they've got in. the team, but it's not looking good. They've got more celebrity investors, it appears, and they actually do core team members.

And when you've got someone who's been around as long as, you know, the old bloke that's been there for 20 years, been there since they won the championship with Fernando Alonso twice, that's a heavy head of experience that you've ushered out the door. And, okay, you know, it's not being all a lovely, sunshiney time, Alping or what was Renault after that. It's not like they went on to win much more. They've had some controversy, of course.

with Flavia Briatore and the fixing that went on in the Singapore Grand Prix. So Renault slash Alpian have had some up and down moments. And since they came back into Formula One, when was that, 2016? 2016, I think so late. Yeah, it was 16. It's also not putting particularly glowing. They've had a couple of shining moments where, you know, Daniel Ricayo did a great job. He picked up a couple of podiums for them.

Holkenberg was strong there. They had sites, of course. So things haven't been great for Renault slash Alpine now. for quite some time. So whilst this is a loss of experience and it's quite bizarre that they're almost drip feeding these departures, they're not just doing a mass clearout

and a mass replacement, which I think is quite damaging for the culture and the morale of the team. I get why he's gone because it's not like he's led them to mass success in history. It's not like he's one of these team engineers or team leaders that has got, you know, championship after championship under their belt

that can kind of go, well, hang on a minute. So if I have a good team around me, we'd be winning all the time. Doesn't really have that to back him up. So fair that that's gone, but it's another person, and you're not replacing these people rapidly, and you don't seem to be attracting new talent anyway. So it's a slippery slope for Alpine.

If you're a driver or your driver maybe to look for a new drive, why would you consider Alpine as an option, or at least a primary option, if you're desperate maybe, but it's not looking good chief on the overall package of a team. I don't understand how they think they can move forward in the constructors, in the way that the line up is working with where they're finishing, if they can't even keep a team together and have an actual plan,

they're a mess and it's a bit of a state at the moment, and this is just another kind of another lump in the fire that is Alpine burning brightly at the moment. Lump in the fire, that's an excellent expression. What are your thoughts, Harry? Is this, do you understand the move by Alpine or do you not understand the move by Alpine? You know how we mock Jean Haas, because he doesn't like new people.

Yeah. I think we need to start mocking, and we mock Alpine anyway, but mock Alpine. We really need to start that. We don't do that anywhere near enough. Hang on, sorry, I should rephrase that. But we should start mocking them for the fact that you,

Alpine, you don't have to fire people all the time. It's just if something goes wrong, you know, last weekend didn't go well for them. What should we do? Fire someone. Definitely fire someone. Can Jack do and interplay Esteban Alcon. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, they're going to fight him as well. Yeah, yeah. I don't know, it's a, it's a worry that this just seems to be their go-to response now. Because I get firing people, you know, to get to the top, they need to make changes. And I think Alpin do need to make changes. But the problem is all they've been doing since they came back in 2016 is consistently and constantly make changes to that team. You don't have to keep doing that forever.

Make some changes to get somewhere, look at McLaren. but don't just keep changing them all the time. It's not necessary. So it's a worry as well that they're just now getting, they seem to be axing people that have been there for so long. And obviously, you know, things change. Formula One has changed a lot since the success. They mentioned, you know, in 05 and 06.

But they're not, this isn't the first person they've fired who's got a lot of experience. Alan Permanon jumps to mind here. He was immediately snapped up by, by Visa Cash app. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, you don't let these experience people go easily. And I just doesn't feel like that's the solution to Alpine's problems, getting rid of the people that have actually brought them success before.

So it just adds to the, I don't know, the tomfoolery of Alpine at the moment. They're just flailing about, they got their arms up in the air, like, don't know what to do, running around the paddock. and yeah, this just feels like a bit of a, I don't know, stupid, stupid move. I just don't see why they felt like this was necessary. Do you think that they have gotten confused between the Formula One championship

and the BBC show The Apprentice? And actually, every single race, they all get everyone into the boardroom. And at the end of the weekend, someone is going to be fired. And they say that before three practice one. and then after the race, sorry, ex-person,

you're fired. And that's how they run the show. They think they're on a TV show on the BBC, but actually, you're in a Formula One World Championship fight. Maybe Bruno Fuming was so angry with Estabano O'Con, but then didn't fire him because he's like, well, we need two drivers,

but he just had the, I've got to fight someone there. Fucking addiction. He just saw him walking past. He was like, you're gone. See you later, mate. Sorry. Where is your box.

Pack a desk. Just to be clear as well, now you've made the apprentice reference. The only thing that I can visualize is at the back of a garage of Alpine, Karen Brady just with a notebook going, shaking her head. That would 100% happen. Anyway, I think Alpine are somewhat leaning into the skid at this point because they are framing all of this as restructuring. And obviously, they've made the decision here.

but let's be clear this didn't start as a result of Alpine making a move. I guess if you were going all the way back to Otmar, you could say that. But the beginning of this year, both Matt Harmon and Dirk De Beer left the team. Like they weren't fired, that they left. So I don't know, it's the equivalent of me leaving late breaking and the two of you turning around and go, well, Ben leaving was part of our restructuring plan. is like, well, no, I made the decision to go. It doesn't make any sense. That's what Alpina doing here. They didn't make the decision to restructure. They had two key people leave earlier

this year. And at this point, I think they've just gone, well, might as well just call it a restructure and keep going then. They're committed to a restart, a refresh, but as you've already mentioned, Harry, this isn't exactly brand new information, is it? They've gone through this hiring and firing process ever since they came back into F1 nearly 10 years ago. which is a, that's dire that they've nearly been back 10 years and achieved so little. But it's, you know, what are they expecting? It's the equivalent of, and I know nothing about growing vegetables, as you'll soon see by this analogy, but if you are growing vegetables

and the soil is awful and the vegetables turn out rubbish, you don't just plant new vegetables. The soil is the issue. Alpine, there are greater issues than just. the people that you are hiring. There are issues like integrating the French half of the organization and the English half of the organisation. I don't think they've ever fully worked that out. And as you say, Harry, I was going to bring up Alan Pomey myself because he has a history of winning. And Rob White is a history of winning. It's not like these, it's an alien concept. It has happened before.

So if they can achieve this sort of thing as individuals, then surely something organization, is amiss. I'm going to say it's Trent Alexander Arnold not, you know, living up to expectations, but yeah, they could do more. Seems fair. Are you saying, Meng, that they keep firing the farmer, but actually they're trying to grow vegetables using soot and coal rather than soil? Sure. I'm not going to go any further into vegetable chat, because that's a dangerous field anyway. But on the scarecrow, come on. Come on. a dangerous field. Oh.

Come on, Ben. You can have that one for free. You didn't even know you did it. Yeah. Harry, is Flavio Brioori the answer? No, no, no, no, no, no. Just to clarify, there are reports that he has been tapped up by Renault to become a special advisor.

I'm not just asking that randomly. What's to get on? I've got fixed races. Yeah. Can we rewind a second? Draw that time with Flavio Privatore. Got a lifetime ban. from Formula One.

Do you remember how long it lasted? Not very long, was it? 2010. What a year? Not even, like, yeah, what is that? Because it happened in 2009, didn't it? So, yeah. Goodness me.

Gosh, again, I know I was just going on about, you shouldn't just fire people, you know, you shouldn't just get rid of people that have lots of experience. Beotoy does have lots of experience, but also he's not the answer. answer, surely not.

What's he going to advise? What are you going to advise, Flav? If you get Ocon to put the car into the wall on this lap, we will win. I mean, he did a good, in terms of fixing a race, a great job. He smashed it. He smashed it. In fairness, if he were to fix a race for Estaban Ocon to help us win teammate wars, I'd allow it.

Yeah, fair actually. I'm fine with that. Yeah. In fact, I'll take it all about it. is the answer. Flavio fanbats is turned up. Yeah, I, again, this just

feels like, Ben, to use your very good vegetable analogy, he's just another vegetable. If Flavio Briotoy was a vegetable, what vegetable would he be? Oh, God. He's a naughty little turnip,

isn't he? A suede for other people. Yes. Good shout. My nan used to randomly walk around saying, I lost his feed, I'm a turnip. and I never understood it.

I never understood it. This has gone off the rail. So, I know it's on this part, but how old we got here? That's your fault. You broke it out. I'm sorry. Please, someone sent in a Photoshop

Flavli obriotory on a Swede or a turn-it, please. Yeah, look, but it is. It's just, you just like chucking. I've said this before, I think, about Alpine, maybe Mercedes, but just chucking stuff at the wall and hoping something sticks. Flavibriotia this is not, just doesn't feel like the answer.

It just feels like a bit of desperation from Alpines Park because they just don't know what to do and, oh wait, we'll bring in someone who was disgraced from this team. Yes, we have some success with him, but it just doesn't seem like the right answer to me. Yeah, I am, I'm with you,

particularly as a special advisor as well. By the sounds of it, if you were to come on board, it would be in recruiting people, to both sides of the English Channel, but I just don't, I don't know in that role whether he'd have too much of an impact. Team principle, sure.

I mean, he would have a lot of impact in that role, but that doesn't sound like the direction this would go in. What are your thoughts, Sam? I mean, Al-Pid have been asked about this, and they've been rather non-committal in their answer. They haven't outright... They haven't outright said that talks have not been ongoing. Who's shocked about LP being gone committal?

They're basically the Harry of Formula One teams. They don't know what they're really doing themselves. That is an insult. That is a massive insult. I've burnt you there, mate. He's got it. I'm not sure who it's worse for, Alpine or Harry.

I thought it was an insult to Alpine, but yeah, that's fair. What are you doing, Alpine, to quote Harry Eude. You're doing. Why are you bringing in, Mr. Race Fixer? Into recruitment of all positions as well. You know, I get them, I don't know, they try to go down the route of always quite a well respected name.

respected. He's final. I know alongside as manager at this point. He's not worked for another team directly since he got removed from Formula One. It's not like he brings buckets of relevant experience in the modern day and age of Formula One other than driving negotiations. Well, if all they're going to do is use him to negotiate one driver's contract, what's the point? There's plenty of other people that are more than capable of doing that. So what are you going to try do with him? Bringing some engineers or something? Why? Why do you need him? Why bother with this? It's like they've just gone, get Flavio's number out the book again. You know, it's kind of like, oh, I don't want to do with ourselves.

Call up Flavio. Last time we worked together, we got a race win, forgetting entirely what led to the circumstances of said race win. No, I think this is a really ridiculous situation they found themselves in. I think they've sunk down the pile so much that maybe no one else is interesting working for them. So they've had to kind of outreach to someone that maybe is looking for another bit of cash to do a job for a team that they can't I'm like, it's not a good look if this is where you're having to go with yourselves Alping. I don't think it's particularly respectful. And I think there's better options out there for you.

Before we go to our first break, just a quick question. And it doesn't sound like this is related in any way. But Mohammed Ben-Suliam very recently has changed his narrative on what Andretti should do to enter F1, suggesting that rather, Andresi be an 11th team, Andretti should go and buy out a team that's already existing on the grid. Harry, do you think that team could be Alpine? Yeah, it could be because I just see, I can see the big wigs at Renault. They're going to get fed up with how this looks soon

because it looks terrible on them. There's not reflect, as, you know, Alpine became, was obviously previously Renault, but it's still owned by Renault. And it's supposed to be there, you know, an example of their sporty division of Renaud, Alpine and they're making them look like morons most of the time and I can just see Renner being like

do you know what this isn't worth our money in time we're going to sell up and yeah that could be prime for Andretti to buy them out so yeah it's it's kind of a way we obviously don't want that we want Alpine and Andretti to be there and we want Alpine to be good obviously but yeah if

if they do have to, if they do decide to sell up, which if this carries on, I could see it happening. We've seen it happen before when results dry up, big manufacturers pull out because what's the point in spending all that money or even have your brand represented in such a bad way. So yeah, it could well happen. And that could be prime position for Adratti, but obviously, we want both, please. Any chance that happens, Sam? It's definitely a chance. I mean, the reason why Renault transition gets brand to Alping in the first place was as Harry said, to bring awareness to their sports car division. And Alping will set you back the same amount as what an entry level Porsche will do if you were to go and buy one new. So they're not exactly cheap to run on the road.

And they were trying to really raise brand awareness. This is something that I think Ashton Martin did really, really well when it had that season where it suddenly started to pick up polling in positions. Everyone knows what Ashton Martin is. But they were kind of sinking back into the whole, we're just for James Bond car that people can't really afford and our models are be at the same and then also starts picking up podiums and sales through their their retail side fly through the roof now this is what alpine were trying to emulate this is what they were trying to see them by making the brand a formula one brand it has not gone to plan you never see an alpine dream being driven around the roads you can never see them kind of

modelled elsewhere i see porches on the daily i see bmw's mersegis you know i see ashton martins you do see these cars driving around i've made me see two or three alpines in my life out and about. The marketing exercise is going the wrong way for the team. It's not driving sales. It's not driving successful turnaround and it's not driving positive recognition of their brand. It's in such a failed state that you're having to auction off bits of the team to celebrity influencers to try and raise funds because Renault themselves almost looked like they're wiping their hands of it a little bit or distancing themselves. But the whole point was to sell more sporty high-end cars and you work just a family brand that is Renault. Ironically, I think

think their endurance program is actually doing very well. And I think they've got drivers like Mick Schumacher racing for them. And I think it is performing quite nicely. Different team entirely, different management team entirely. But they seem to be doing all right. The Formula One side is a bit of a mockery. And it's only going to lead to bad news for the overall sales of their car, which is the main objective.

So I could see it happening. I would hate for it to happen. I'd rather they just get themselves sorted or maybe go back to Renault and change everything over. But I want Andretti and Renault slash Alpine on the grid. I want 11 or 12 teams. I'd be really devastating if the only way I'm Gretti make it in is to buy someone else out. Yeah, I don't think this will happen just based on, I think Alpine are going to stick this out until 2026 at least because, I mean, why wouldn't you at this point? You're going through the

pain. You might as well see if there is something better on the other side. Alpine are fairly convinced that their power unit is significantly holding them back at the moment. That won't be the case or shouldn't be the case in 2026. If it comes to 2020s, I think that's, will be a massive year for them, by the way, because if they are still where they are now in 26, I think patience will be running very low at that stage. But I think they'll at least wait out to see what happens. We're going to take our first break of this episode on the other side. We've got some chat on Ferrari and Astor Martin. Okay, everyone, warm welcome back to you. Ferrari F1 technical director Enrico Cardile has been linked with a possible move to Astor Martin,

Autosport resources revealing that he has been approached by the British team. Harry, what are your thoughts on the potential that this could happen? Do you understand the move that Aston Martin are trying to do if this is indeed true? Yeah, I mean, an interesting one, I think Aster Martin have done pretty well in terms of signing some big names. So far, obviously they've nicked a couple from Red Bull. His name has already escaped me. What's he called? Dan Fallows.

There we go. There you go. That's the gangster. I'm expecting me to answer that. But yeah, they're doing this sort of similar approach that the McLaren have done so far. So this would make sense. And I think probably is needed because, yeah, it's gone well for, you know, Aston Martin better than when they first joined, rejoined in 2021.

But obviously, they've lacked a bit of direction in terms of how they develop the car they've got, which was, you know, at the base of it, a really good car. But since then, they've, they've struggled to keep developing it. So this, if it is true and they are signing this, it would, it would, A, make sense, but B, I think it's a very sensible, sensible move on their part because I think they need, they've obviously built, they're building something here in a similar way that McLaren are, or have been. They've also got all the, all the new internal new facilities at Silverston as well.

So they need, they need the personnel to back it up. So I think if it does happen, it's a misa sensible move. What do you think, Sam? How big would this move be? I think it's yet to be seen, but I do love that Asthma Martin, I've got their grubby little mitts out, and they're out there thieving. And you know, you know me, I'll say it before, and I'll say it again.

I love a little left one team that goes out there, nicking. They go, you know what? You come in the bag over the shoulder. Yeah, a bit of burglary from a half. You don't endorse crime, just to be clear. I do. So well done. Because teams aren't doing it enough.

Play the game. I've said it so many times, play the game, and you can't fault Ashton Martin. They are showing so much commitment since the stroll purchase of the team and moving them into a real brand in Formula One. The facilities being built, Harry, that you mentioned, are state of the art, and they look fantastic. And you wouldn't put that level of investment in to just walk away after a year or so if it doesn't go your way.

The hires of the likes of Danfallows and are potentially stealing off the likes of Ferrari is a sensational move. And I've stated that Aston Martin's weakness time and time again, not creating initially a good car, it's developing the car further, understanding where the positives in that car are and where its weaknesses are and developing it in a direction that allows the car to develop naturally that suits the strengths of those like Fernando Alonso. I mean, you can be competitive for 24 races of the season and not just four or five have an upgrade that you have probably copied from someone like Red Bull, have another four or five that you do welling, and then you

fall off the pace again. Ascom Martin need to innovate themselves. They need to find a direction of development that they feel really comfortable with that is fast that they own and control and they're not studying too much off their rivals because you can't lead the pack if you're copying someone else's ideas there's no shame in it but you're never going to be world champions so i like this approach i like that they're going out there and trying to get some big names in i like that they're they're taking directly from rivals of those around them and they are trying to build a team that long term will be able to create something very exciting and very quick so all we've got to do now is get two drivers that can compete

Pete. Yeah. They do. It's a real shame because, you know, it strolls, I mean, Lauren Strz, his ambition in terms of hiring people from, you know, we know he's made plays at Adrian Newee, whether that comes to pass, who knows, looks like he's making a play here. His ambition to get people in is very clear that needs to follow through with the lineup, which isn't at the moment. I do think they need someone like this because it does feel like at this point, Aston Martin have reached something of a glass ceiling. And if we're looking at their performance right now, let's face it, they're not that far ahead of where they were towards the end of 2022 when Bettle was still

there, right? They had some solid performances in the second half of that season. Obviously, then that led on to Fernando Alonzo and that era, and they were doing much, much better at the beginning of that season. But they have regressed back. And it feels like, similar to your point, Sam, that they just need that one special individual, not in the driver lineup. They've already got that, but someone, you know, behind the scenes, but someone not in the

car, just to elevate them in a similar-ish way to what McLaren have done. McLaren quite a few times threatened to break into the upper echelon. Obviously, years and years ago they were in the. that up atchalon, but at least in recent times, they threatened it. And I feel like they might finally have actually broken through. I think the next few races will prove whether that's the case or not. Aster Martin need to make that same jump. Someone like Cardioli could be the right core.

I mean, he's got a lot of experience at Ferrari as a technical director. I would be, I'd be intrigued to see if this does come to pass. And fair play to Aston Martin for trying to make this work. Harry, how do you think this relates or doesn't relate to Adrian Newee. We know Aston Martin, well, one of the teams spoken about that could pick up Adrian Newey as and when Newey is available and wants to work again in F1. Do you think the hiring of someone like Cardioli could, I don't know, help motivate Adrian

Newey to pick Aster Martin? Yeah, I mean, potentially, it does feel like as well that maybe Aster Martin of, they obviously, I've no doubt they've reached out to, or they approached Adrian Newey to. Newy when the one son news was public that he was leaving Red Bull, but it seems like he's not going to go there if he's going to go anywhere. Maybe A, this is a tactic to try and persuade him to come over, but also B, you know, there's no, no doubt about how good Adrian Ui is, but you can't build a team with just Adrian Ui. So this also just feels like, as we said, they're putting the building blocks in place. So I think that they'd have gone for this anyway, or they

would be going for this anyway, despite the Adrian Ui, yeah, Adrian situation. Yeah, it might well do. Maybe it may be, it will help persuade him, but I don't think, I think, I know this isn't about Adrian Nia, but it just feels like Adrian Nureenur is just, he's taken his time.

He's not actually made any decisions yet. So, yeah, maybe, maybe this will help him, you know, sort of deal, you know, persuade him to come over to Aston Martin. But in all honesty, I think this is a move they're making, it's a sensible move anyway to be making, you know, in spite of whatever, knew he does. Yeah, I think that makes sense because we know that Adrian Newe, regardless of

whether he goes, whether it's Aston Marston or somewhere else, he's not going to be, or we don't think he'll be the head honcho, right? He's not going to be the person directing, similar to what was the case at Red Bull. He was essentially a consultant, a contractor. He was not external, but certainly he was feeding into the team rather than leading the team. And I would expect that to be the case wherever he goes. So from Astor Martin's perspective, it makes sense to chase car deal because they can say, you know, if the Adrian Newey stuff doesn't happen, which is highly likely, let's face it, they've got someone great anyway in the door. But also, if Adrian Newey knows that whoever he partners with next, he needs to trust the people that are going to almost execute his

ideas, similar to, again, to what he's at Red Bull, where he's got a couple of people that he's really trust to work alongside with. If he's currently considering Ferrari as one of the top options, which we believe is the case, and you take away one of the key components of what Adrian Newee would trust, then surely that does put something in your favour at least. So I think it's a smart play. I agree with you, Harry, regardless of what happens or doesn't happen with Adrian Newey, it's a smart play anyway.

Your thoughts, Sam? I disagree with you both. Oh gosh. I know. Don't get it a lot, do we? I think that Cardi Lay is being available is entirely because of Adrian Nui being the favourite to go to Ferrari.

And I wouldn't be surprised if there had been conversations internally to bring Adrian Nui in, whereas he has said, I want a technical director that I can trust and I can work with property and I have faithing. And I wonder if Cardi Lay isn't who he wants to be around.

I wonder if it's, you know, I want to bring someone in myself or I will advise or someone to fill the role or to build a team around because I think that we could do X, Y and Z. And I wouldn't be surprised if Cargola's agency or people that he know have circulated that information to some other teams have gone, hey, there's a chance that Adrian Nui is going to Ferrari. We don't know how viable my position is going to be here if he walks through the door.

What are my options? And Ashton Martin have gone, ah, we can't have Adrian Ui. We'll have someone who's pretty darn good anyway and we'll snap him up. So I still think this is very beneficial for Austin Martin. But I actually think that unlike you guys who are going, oh, maybe it's a lure to get him in the door. I think it might be more he's going out the door because Adrian Nui is about to walk through it. And Ferrari have gone, it's a lot of money, we need to invest in this properly,

we'll build a team with Adrian and Lewis and Shal. I think Ferrari are trying to build up the building blocks and putting it together. And I think they want to rely on Adrian Nui to help them do that. So I think he'd be great asking Martin, Kallay. I think he'd be really good. But I do wonder if actually it's because Nui

has maybe secretly said, can we get something else in? Someone who I really trust and what I work with. I wouldn't be surprised. He's got that pulling power. Interesting. Odds are as well

whenever this is resolved in terms of who goes where we're going to completely forget we've had this conversation and we won't remember who's right. But someone, whenever things happen, let us know who was actually correct on this.

We'll take our second break at this point. On the other side, we've got a bit on Williams. Okay, welcome back. A little bit of the first. on Williams because James Vals had some interesting comments after the Monaco Grand Prix. We know that Alex Albin, of course, scored two points at the Monaco Grand Prix, the first points that Williams have scored all year. And James Vowse said that we have huge amounts of performance to come for the rest of this season, which are pretty bold words, Sam.

What do you make of them and what are some realistic targets for Williams going forward? They are bold words. They are big claims. And it doesn't feel like Daddy Vowels. to say this kind of comment without being certain that actually it's going to help them. He's been very methodical in his speeches publicly. He's been very good at calming the audience and the F1 community and saying that, you know, Williams are here to slowly progress and we're going to make our way out. But that has backfired so far this season. They have clearly taken a step back.

So for him to come out with such a bold statement is a real changing form. It's a real change of tact. So I'm somewhat inclined to believe him because for the most part, He does seem very genuine, very front-facing, very heart on his sleeve a little bit, actually as a team principal. And he says it how it is. And I don't think he would come out publicly promising so much improvement if he had been told by his engineering team, it's not that good, James. I mean, it's all right, but it's not that good. So, you know, I believe him.

And I believe he knows what good looks like, especially after working so long with Mercedes. What could they achieve if it does go to plan? If they take big steps forward, if they feel really confident in how the car is going to perform and a lot of tracks. There's no reason why Alex Albon could not be competing regularly for that kind of ninth, 10th spot that we've seen Yuki Sanoda and Ika Holkenberg regularly filling out themselves week in, week out. If they can lock down at least one point, almost every Grand Prix, after they've had the majority of their upgrades deployed, I think that's a good step forward for the overall rest of this season. It gives them a chance to kick on for 25 and then for the new

regulations in 26. I think if he comes out with this speech and Albon is still driving on around in 12th, 13th place, but a bit further away from the cars behind. It's not really good enough. There'll also be a lot of sponsorships and a lot of PR and press rising on this. Obviously, that helps stakeholders and shareholders and it helps drive further sponsorship. And we're seeing a bit of a re-vitalization of Williams. It will be ashamed to overpromise and under-deliver now when they've been so good at taking these steps forward and working as a team to rebuild.

So I think we are going to see something good. I'd be very surprised if James Vow's puts the team's progress in jeopardy, just to try and get a good PR statement in place. So, yeah, if they could start finishing 9th, 10th on the regular, I think that would be a good step for this season. Your thoughts on those comments, Harry, and what they could possibly achieve for the rest of this year? I mean, yeah, they're nice and punchy from James Vals.

In James Vals, we trust. I kind of, I believe him, because he's normally very good at, as he says, I'm very good at tempering expectations here, but he's not doing that at all. So they must be very, very hopeful or certain that these upgrades are going to work. I enjoy it when teams like this. I hate the Toto Wolf approach of we're going to be terrible.

I know that he doesn't do that as much anymore because they are terrible. He doesn't do it. Now it's justifiable, yeah. But I like it when, you know, we had it with signs and LeClaire saying the Ferrari upgrades were going to be the most amazing things ever seen to humankind. and obviously Freddie Bass had to sound to simmer down a bit. But I like it. I like it when people

drivers and teams come out with a bit of punchiness. But yeah, clearly they are confident that he's going to work. In terms of realistic targets, I think, yeah, as you say, Sam, a big amount of performance might not be something to shoot them up the grid, but it might just be enough to start jumping into that because of the moment they are on the fringes,

aren't they around that, you know, bottom end of the top 10 or top half of the bottom doesn't matter. but they are fighting for those like 9 10th 11th 12 spots on the moment this might just be enough to knock them into into the points a bit more regularly which for Williams it's kind of position they were in last year I saw albon I think defending this a couple of weekends ago saying they're in a similar position they were in 20203 I think it's probably not quite as good as it wasn't 2023 but he's right and they they got better as

the season went on as they developed the car so I guess is what they're hoping for again now and it only takes a few good results for them to move up the order. So, yeah, this is probably what they're aiming for. If they're to believe, the weight of the car is holding them back so much at the moment. I think James Vowell said it was something in the region of four temps that they think they are losing just because the car is overweight. And we know, even from Alpine, I know they're not exactly brilliant now, but they're far better than they were at the beginning of this year. and that's largely because of the amount of weight that they've been able to save on the car.

It also makes sense with Monaco because Monaco is pretty much an outlier and the one circuit so far that we've been to where that doesn't hurt Williams as much as other tracks. And I feel like we saw with Alex Albin what that Williams, at least right now, is capable of. And that is roughly similar to what we had last year,

which was just about squeaking into Q3, putting together an all right race and scoring a couple of points. points. What they need, obviously, they just need to get that car weight down and the performance that comes with it. If so, then maybe they can get in that Minardi battle. I think that's realistic based on what they've done. To be very brutal to Williams, I really hope that the performance does come through. And I do believe James Vals, and I think it will come through. Being brutally honest, that will bring them back to where they should have been at the beginning

of this year because they had something to work with last year. And I think they went backwards over the winter break, or at least they didn't go forwards in the same way that other teams did. And, you know, I just want to temper, not expectations, but also if they do turn this around a bit and they are fighting the likes of Yuki Sonoda, I'm not going to go massively praising on it because I feel like that's probably where they should have been in Bahrain. And that might be a bit brutal.

The other thing they need is just to get their drivers in a rhythm because we've had, Alex Albin has, we remember the crash at Australia, obviously. He's been a bit of, he's been on the better side of the garage in that regard. But Logan Sargent, and I've said my thoughts on Logan Sargent as a driver many times, so I won't go into that now. But the team have failed him to this point in the season, in my view, because he couldn't race in Australia through something that wasn't his own fault. He hasn't been able to get in a rhythm because he's been driving.

having a third and a fourth chassis. And at Monaco, he didn't have the same upgrades that Alex Albin had. It does feel like, and I'm not saying it would go much better if he had, he was fighting with two hands. But I think he does have one hand behind his back at the moment, Logan, Sergeant. And they just need to ensure that both of their drivers are getting into a rhythm. And then maybe they're going to have some chance at some lower scoring points. Doesn't smell of a team that's got ambition behind them and is able to make climbing up the grid possible

when, one of their drivers could barely get the mission. machinery to get around the track properly. It's not a great sign. So hopefully these upgrades are applied to both cars and they come into the kind of next third of the season's winning. Yeah. And that's the whole point you've got Logan, Sergeant, right? Is that you think potential-wise he's got something. Like I said before, I disagree. I don't think he has that potential, but Williams do think he's got that potential, in which case you just have to give him every tool in your arsenal to succeed. And to this point, they haven't. So I'm not quite sure what they're expecting of him when he's just, it doesn't feel like a fair fight for him at the moment.

Agreed. Let's move on. Something we did discuss on Wednesday, but there have been a few extra developments since then, which is Esteban Ockon following the Monaco Grand Prix. Now we know that O'Conn and Gazley's Lapwan crash led to the creation of the character Bruno Fumann. He had some choice words and threatened consequences. Esteban O'Con has since defended his driving.

He's had a lot of criticism over that incident. I won't read out everything that he's said because... Yeah, that the podcast, mate. Exactly. He came out with a lengthy statement on social media on this. But a couple of the things he said, he said he was... He's received many messages of support, but he's been deeply saddened by the amount of abuse and negativity that he's received.

He said that he's been lucky enough to race alongside talented and experienced teammates. And as teammates, we often start very close to each other. that on track and he's had his share of incidents as a result of that. And I guess the most important thing that he said as part of this statement is that he looks forward to competing in Montreal, which can put to bed to the speculation of whether he was going to be benched or not. Harry, what did you make of the response of Esteban Okun? I mean, firstly, if any abuse that's been, you know, put towards Estebanokon on social media

is absolutely not fair or right and it shouldn't be that way. I think valid criticism is fine, but you can't just send horrible remarks to him because he had a bad race. In terms of what he's saying, yeah, I said in the review of Monaco, I think, where, or was it, I don't know, previous episode, where Ocon's a great driver,

but there's got to be a point where he looks at himself and thinks, well, I am the comment. denominator here. And I know he's explaining himself by saying, you know, they're often on track at the same time. But these other people

he's raised against, Alonzo, Ricardo, et cetera. They're not often having incidents with their teammates, whereas O'Hon always seems to be having incidents. So it's a tricky one.

And again, I respect him for coming out and defending himself like this, and I think it was right. And as I say, that the EBC had is not fair or right at all. But I do think,

maybe he does just need to have a little word with himself about how he drives again because it's only with teammates he doesn't seem to have incidents with lots of other drivers but with teammates which is a bizarre thing but there just seems to be something about when he comes up against a teammate that there's like a red miss because I don't think he's that he drives like that but it's just something changes in his attitude to how he defends that yeah I don't know it's just it's a strange one but it's almost like he's got a bit of

something over his head about a teammate when he comes up against a teammate that he must not let them pass or he has to beat them and I know that is an important factor in Formula One you have to beat your teammate but not of the sake of crashing into them all the time so yeah I

again I respect him for coming out and saying this and backing himself but I do think he does need to have a little bit of a look at how he approaches racing teammates because he does, for this instant, very specifically, he does say that it was his fault and he's owned up to it, but do you think his lack of admission that it's not an ongoing issue is worrying? Yeah, that's kind of my point.

And fair enough, he admitted it was his fault in Monaco because it was his fault in Monaco. I think he had the apex. I don't know. Oh, my God. But yeah, I think that's what I'm saying. I think just he needs to it's a difficult one

because Formula One drivers are built on an unwavering sense of self-belief and they if you're not going to be an F1 driver exactly you're never you're never wrong and I I if he I don't know if we'd come out and he'd been like

you know what actually I've messed up all these all these years I've had incidents with teammates it's all been on me I think we'd all be like well I don't think you need to say that out loudest man but I do think he just But I do think he just needs to have a little review of how he he approach his team. I mean, he can't do anything about how it's happened before, but just a little internal review.

And, and, you know, like I said, he is the common factor in all of these incidents here. So, and again, I'm not saying they're all his fault, but I think it's just the way he races his teammates. What do you think, Sam? Oh, this is such a bizarre situation to see, especially this early in the season. Firstly, Alpine, I think they've aired their laundry, you know, their dirty laundry out in public. And I don't think any of this needed to be done on social media, in the press ring or anything like that.

I don't think this is required. And I think it is a real example of how far down the river of poo, Alping are at the moment, where it just, you know, nothing works. It's all a bit crap. And you don't really seem to know how to handle a situation. I think this is just another example. of that.

Ong Eskerman Okong, I feel like he's got a bit of a chip on his shoulder. I think he came into the sport and he, you know, he's that driver, much a bit like Lewis Hamilton, I suppose, where he came from a very poor background.

His mum and dad gave up absolutely everything that they had. I think they sold their home. They sold their car to make sure that he could carry on racing. So I do wonder if he's got a little bit of a chip on his shoulder of, you know, I've always had to do more. I've always had to go further. I've always had to give something up.

And so he wants to always be on top of the situation. I don't blame him for that at all. If anything, I find that quite motivating. I think it could be a great story. The issue is, I think he interprets it the wrong way a lot of the time. Because Esteban comes across as a really lovely bloke. And I feel like if you weren't racing against him, like if he came on the podcast, I bet it'd be lovely.

I'd bet it'd be really nice. And I feel like he is a really, yeah, prove. Go on. I challenge you, Estabman. Come on the show. I do. I think he's a lovely bloke. He's always got a lovely little smile on his face.

But I think that when it comes to teammates, he's got this competitive streak in him that he can't interpret in the right manner. And it's not just, okay, there's an incident. Because actually, if you look at the actual incidents he's had through his career, there's not that many. It's not like we're talking tens of incidents here. There's four or five across his entire career,

which, yeah, that's still not good. But it's also not breathtakingly huge that you think, crikey, estaband. driving into your team mate. I think what is the problem for Esteban is his off-track handling of incidents with his teammate. It is the red miss. It's the inability to accept responsibility, which he has done. It's the fact that his teammates so regularly seem to fall out with him. And maybe management recognize this and go, this was your fault. And it wouldn't be a problem if you could put your hands up earlier and said, I make a mistake, I'll learn from it. This won't happen again. And actually,

we wouldn't have all this going on. So he's a very talented driver. He's had for the most part, a very solid season. But he's just going to rain in the attitude and the competitive streak when it comes to dealing with the person who you're in the world championship winning car. You're driving around for 13th place most of the time. Work together.

Work as a team. If George Russell and Lewis Hamilton would do it in the Mercedes, you're definitely capable of doing it in the Alpine further back. Carlos Sykes even talking about how he wouldn't give up, he'd give up anything to make sure

that Charles won Monaco the other day, right? There's a level of working together. I think that's ridiculous, by the way. I agree. I do agree. It's ridiculous. I do agree, and maybe that's a other topic for another time. Maybe.

But the point is, that's the attitude that they're working with, and it's going to win races. Esteban, you're sending it down the inside on lap one or your teammate where you're barely getting a point across the whole season. You do need to change your outlook and how this reflects on you. Not every race makes you a great or rubbish Formula One driver and losing to your teammate one time doesn't mean that you're going to get fired in a race. Crashing into them might mean you get fired in a race.

So, yeah, just change your perspective. I think be that nice person that you are away from Formula One. I just realize you've made it. You're here. Just show off your talent. Realise you're part of a team and deliver that as a unit rather than as an individual. Yeah. Firstly, thank goodness the talk of a switch at Montreal is over because it was stupid.

And I still think it was poor of Bruno Fuming to leave that open to speculation. I don't understand because now he's in a spot and the organisation is in a spot where clearly they're not switching at Canada, but they have promised consequences. So either they're not going to deliver on something that they've said, which doesn't look good, or they're going to have to think of something else. I don't know what they plan to do, but that's the whole reason that you don't, minutes after a collision has happened, come out and speak to the media and be so, I don't know, blasé with the comments.

is why you just say, look, we'll handle this internally, we'll handle it privately, at which point do whatever you think is best. But I'm glad that conversation is at least over. I mostly agree with what you both said already, to be honest. I do think his upbringing into F1 does impact this. And I do think he does need to review the way that he race his teammates. It doesn't sound based on this statement as if he thinks it's an ongoing issue. But at the same time, I kind of acknowledge what you said, Harry,

which is if he did think he's a statement, it was an issue? Would he outright say it in a statement like this or just deal with that privately as well, which I think is fair? I think, I'm not saying this is entirely fair, but I do think it has got to this point in the season where Esteban Okun, if we're talking about what's happened this year for him, he has turned up at the beginning of the season in what is a very important contract year for him and being given a tractor, not an F1 car, a tractor. He has delivered great performances in said tractor, particularly at the beginning of the season when it was at its worst.

He has at all times as well, and we spoke about it multiple times, he remains so optimistic and positive early in this season when he had absolutely no right to be. He was delivering great performances and essentially getting nothing for it, in points-wise, getting nothing. As soon as, and he's been one of the drivers of the season, in my opinion, our power rankings on Patreon, back that up as well. And we get to this race, Monaco. He has a stinker.

He has a horrible incident. And suddenly everyone is focusing on that incident because it was with his teammate. And it's fair enough. But I can understand Esteban-Ockon's point of view at this point to say, I have done so much for this team to this point. I am taking this car to places it doesn't belong. And I have one incident with a teammate.

And that's all anyone can talk about and sends me abuse over. I can understand his frustration that that's the thing that people focus on. I'm not saying that it's, you know, it's fair. The incident was 100% on him. It was an awful error and he does need to review the way that he race his teammates. But yeah, I'm glad at least the Montreal speculation is over at this point. Let's take our final break on this episode on the other side. We're going to play Pump the Breaks. Yay, I thought of one. Okay, welcome back. It's been a while, but

Let's pump the brakes. I don't know what word belongs behind that bleep. Hey. Because your opinions, hey. I thought because you're a pig in hay. Yeah, you're a pig. Oh, okay. That makes sense.

Did you think you're saying opinions? Yeah, I thought he was saying, and your opinions. I mean, that actually makes a lot more sense. Let's listen again. Do we call it this again? Or opinions. Yeah, it's opinions, not a pig. I always thought it was a pig.

I always thought it was a pig. That's crazy. I thought it was a pig in. I thought it was pig. I'll get a what. I'll get to carry on as if it's pig. Fair. My mind's been blowing.

That's wild. Pump the brakes. We give an opinion. Each of us gives one opinion and it's a very simple game. The other two have to determine whether actually that's an all right opinion. You can keep on thinking that or whether they should pump the brakes because they're being an idiot. Sam, you were so. happy that you fought of once, so I'll let you go first.

Yes, I thought a bit about six minutes ago. I think that Yuki Sanoa has done enough to be given a trial as the next Red Bull driver alongside Max Vastappen and should be moved up next season. When you say trial, you just mean he should be moved up and giving a... Yeah, yeah, he should be given a chance, right? Yeah, give him a chance. Give me a year, see how it goes. Harry, what do you think? On the brakes. Oh, that is a tricky one as well.

I well I like Ben go sorry you go next Ben yeah pump the brakes

I bring on the gung I think that Perez would beat Sonoda do I have the gung oh I've got it if you don't mate

oh two soundboards there it is the world's longest sound effect longer than the jingle with you two

having sound borgs I kind of feel like Jar Jar Jar Binks when I'm stood between Obi-1

Can I be and Quigong Jim and I'm so you've got a lightsaber on each side and I'm just oh me to do a podcast

you know that's how it feels I like that you're calling Quiguan Jim rather than gin Vigong Jimmy I love that right

yeah I yeah I'm with you but I think Perez will beat him so Donno has done he's done a really good job this year but I just

it's taken four year 21 22 yeah this is his fourth year right it's taken him a long time

time to get here. And I do worry that it's a bit little. I don't know. Maybe that's been a problem with the robot. The point of the young driver program. Yeah. It's a fair point. But I do think, I'm not sure I can base it off year four being good.

I think what's happened before is just not been not been excellent for Sonoda. But I see a point. That's a tricky one. All right. Well, Sam has been gunged him and all of the Gungan army. the Gunger Army That works well Oh, me's the covered in gung

All of a All of the phantom menace references at this point Yeah, excellent Harry, what's your one? My one is that Formula One should never have stopped the 2009

style regulations And by that, I mean the Formula One cars we had Where we had the quite skinny rear tall, sorry, rear wings and the wide, wide front wing.

And I think since then, because we, the, the thinking behind it was that the cars were going too slowly, but that was, I think it's a multitude of reasons, one of them being the massive,

massive hybrid engines that we had in the cars by the time we got to 2016, but the thinking was we need cars that are faster again, so they got rid of that regulation. But I think since then, the racing's got worse. What prompted me to say this was,

I watched on YouTube, the extended highlights of the Chinese GP from 2010, which is a good little race. Good race. No DRS then, and I appreciate it, it's wet, but I was watching it. I was just like,

I think the racing was better then than it is now. They've got less downforce, and I think we've just gone in the wrong direction. I'm not saying it was a perfect formula, but I just think actually it's not as good as it was. Sorry, that's a really long one, but off you go. Just for reference, are you including anything to do with engines within this?

Yeah, I suppose to say 2009 because the hybrid thing, that's 2014, but obviously the cars in terms of aerodynamics are fairly similar. I'm not counter that. I'm going with what they were like in 2009, 10, 11, 12 that time. What do you think, Sam? There's a lot of it I agree with. So I hope I can pump the brakes.

I wouldn't have it exactly the same. I wouldn't say go back to 09. I think there's a lot of elements that I would look to take. I would want smaller, lighter cars. I would move away from the heavier engines. I move away from the battery power entirely. It just moved to the renewable fuels that said you're running. And that's where I would differ, I think, a lot from what you're kind of suggesting in the 2009 regs.

But I do agree that a bit less downforce, smaller cars, run the renewable fuel. I think there was a lot of fun. We had one of our best seasons ever in that period of Formula One. But I do think overall, the general racing, the general formula is better now than it was back then. but I do think that there is a middle ground to be had and I do think those lighter, smaller, more difficult to drive cars are where Formula One should be.

I don't care about the perfect lap time. I'd rather it be three seconds a lap slower, but we get way more competitive racing. For me, that's where I want to be. Well, again, from that same race, it was a battle between Hamilton and Schumacher, which we didn't get much of when Schumacher returned, but it's a good little battle

if no one's watched it before. obviously two seven time more jumps going at it. But there's a bit where they come out the hairpin and I think Schumacher's defended from Hamilton. And Hamilton's like, and I appreciate it's a bit damage. It's like power sliding its way out of the hairpin. I'm like, I mean, it looks cool. But I was like, yeah, there's like not a lot of grip in these cars.

Like it's still obviously an F1 car goes quickly. But I was like, let's have that. It looked really difficult to drive. More of that place. Yeah, I'm, I think your shout is a good one. As a base concept, I think that was very good. so I will not tell you to pump the brakes. Yay.

Lucky you. Which just leaves me. Oh, we're back to Phantom Menace again. Sorry. My pump the brakes, I don't think, right now, I don't think Oscar Piastri

is a top 10 driver in F1. Oh, I need to work this out in my head now of where I think he sits. Ben, can you run through, yeah, Ben,

I want you to run through where he sits. So I don't think he's better than his teammate, Norris, Alonzo. Both Red Bulls, both Mercedes, both Alpins, and Nika Holkenberg. So I think maybe 12th, I'd put him. I don't think I can disagree. I might have him a bit higher, but maybe he's better than Holkenberg, but actually, I don't know. At the moment, Holcomb is I'm going to belt in year.

I don't think I can't think I can pump the brink. on that one, annoyingly. Yeah, I don't outright agree with you, but equally, I can't categorically make the statement that I disagree with you, you know? I can't sit there and be like, your opinion is so wrong that you should stop having it. So, no, I think he's definitely not top seven, top eight. So I think that's where the debate comes here. Do you have him 10th or 9th or do you have him kind of 11th or 12th?

Yeah, no, I think you got away with that one. I'd have him 18th just below Yuki Sanoda. All right, in that case. get off my show. Sorry, Sam. I'm not joining you in Gunn City. I love it here. Population, me, and Dave Benz and Phillips.

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