The Late Braking F1 Podcast - What is Sebastian Vettel's F1 legacy?

Episode Date: November 23, 2022

Now that the season is over, the LB Boys reflect on Sebastian Vettel's great career in F1, and discuss the legacy that he's left behind. They also discuss Haas decision to replace Mick Schumacher with Nico Hulkenberg for 2023, and play F1: Back and Forth... JOIN our Discord: https://discord.gg/dQJdu2SbAm SUPPORT our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/latebraking TWEET us @LBraking BUY our merch: https://late-braking-f1-podcast.creator-spring.com/ SUBSCRIBE to our podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Thank you for listening to the Late Breaking F1 podcast. Make sure to tune in for new episodes every Wednesday and Grand Prix Sunday. Hello and a very warm welcome to the late breaking F1 podcast presented by Harry Eid, Sam Sage, and me, Ben Hocking. The F1 season is over, sadly. But even sadder for you, we're not going anywhere. You're going to have to try harder than that. get rid of us. We're still here. We've still got a lot to talk about. We're going to be looking

at F1 Academy that's been launched by Formula One, their newest initiative into trying to get women into F1. We're looking at Holkenberg to Hass. That has been confirmed. This is the first opportunity we've had to talk about that, so we'll do so. And Sebastian Metal's legacy. We'll get into a lot more too. Sam, we're actually recording this on a Tuesday. So can you please update us as to what this has done for your eating plans? I actually maneuver the eating plans. I actually maneuver the eating plans on the food calendar and I've had the Aska pizza a day early to keep in line with the recording schedule. I haven't got the caffeine jingle.

Oh, hold. Folks, please pause. Please hold. Yeah. Yay. That's all of you listening is applauding the Aska pizza. It was really well cooked, actually. The stuffed crust, which has cheesing it, melted really, really well.

Yeah, delightful all rounds. Very happy. Hang a wery bar for dessert. And now I've got a coffee. Join the Wellie Bar Revolution. Slight worry for me that. I did not hear the clapping, but never mind. Not sure why.

You don't subscribe to the soundball, mate. But it's fine. Send you for a bag of chips. Yeah, it's not saying you. It's sent me instead. I've got nothing to add to that conversation so you can carry on. Good. Normal service then, mate.

Yeah. Thanks for coming, Aaron. Hey, we've got that coming up next week. We are going to be looking at preseason predictions very soon. Good. We'll get into that. But let's start off today's episode with looking at Sebastian Betel because whilst we touched on Betel during the review podcast at the weekend,

there were other things to discuss as well. So we didn't give Vettel the perhaps appropriate time, given that this is a very experienced, very successful driver who is retiring from the sport after 15 years within it. Sam, kick off of you on this one. In terms of Sebastian Vettel, what legacy does he leave behind for Formula One as a whole, including his driving on track, obviously, but also potentially what he brings off the track. Yeah, I mean, Sebastian Vettel is knowing in motorsport for a number of things,

you know, that ruthless ability on the racetrack, that four-year streak of winning the world title. One of the best seasons we've ever seen in Formula One, which, of course, he ended up taking the Swallow Alert, he ended up taking the Swallow Alert, he ended up taking the title home for. You know, he's got the third most wings in Formula One history. He's driven some absolute giants of the sport. You know, he started off in BMW, then moved into the Red Bull program, of course, and grow for the likes of Ferrari and then finish off for Asken Martin.

You know, there's a giant games in motorsport, in racing, the automotive world. So he's got a legacy of being around these huge reputable groups. But for me, that isn't what I know, Sebastian Vessel. for anymore. It's not why I take away when I think of Sebastian Vetter. It's not what I think people will remember him for, which is crazy because you think, you know, he's a four-time world champion. There's not too many that have won

more than him. As we said with the wings, there's only two people that have won more than him. And yet, to say that that isn't what you're going to take away from his career is quite a statement. For me, it's his leadership of the grid and the image of Formula One

off track. You know, the way he was the, is it the president? of the Drivers Association. I don't know what the official title is. It is, yes? He's a, yeah, he's a member. He was, anyway. He was the big cheese.

No, he was the big, the big cheese. A granframage. It was a large mozzarella. Grandio mozzarella. Thank you, Harry. Good input, as always. See you like, guys. I'm out.

Bye-bye. Brilliant, thank you. He, I feel like he was the next leader in terms of the building of safety in Formula One, the voice that was always willing to speak out, the person that was always willing to stand up and champion those who needed a helping hand in the sport. And there's been a lot of these big names throughout history. Jackie Stewart is a huge one as well, right, famous for championing safety in Forlong. Nicky Louder, another one that really, really

wanting to step forward to speak of safety and security for drivers. And I think Sebastian Vettel joins those ranks as part of his legacy as someone who will go out. as leaving real change on the track and within Formula One as an industry as a brand. And it's not just safety either. The way he stood next to the likes of Lewis Hamilton when we went through the racism scandal that was going on and the difference in equality, you know, he was the first person to take the knee. He was the first person to stand alongside Hamilton and support him.

He was always outspoken with the slogans on T-shirts and ensuring that in interviews, the message was heard. he was never willing to back down. Even, you know, on track with moments in Canada where he got that penalty he didn't feel was right and he swapped the one and the two around. These are statements that only Sebastian Vettel was willing to take the risk on a make.

He didn't care about getting a penalty. He didn't care about a fine. He knew what was right and wrong in his mind and he was really willing to give up whatever fine or penalty would come his way to make sure he stood up for what he believed was right or wrong and to make sure it was what was best for drivers, for the people who love the sport,

And I think that's exactly what he's continuing to do. Now he's leaving Formula One. He's think, you know, as he is saying himself, the race is not over. This isn't it. He goes on to champion some really important causes around the world. But Formula One, in certain ways, has been quite detrimental to when it comes to the likes of the environment and whatnot. So that's the legacy I will think of with Sebastian Vessel. That and him bow into his car in India is a pretty special image.

But, you know, especially the safety. He's a very special man. And very sad he's gone. and I was quite sad on Sunday when he was doing his lovely donuts. But his race was great. But yeah, for me, it's the safety, it's the unifying of drivers, it's the championing of others around him. That's the say I have come to know and love.

It's interesting. Outside of F1, before I go to Harry, I just wanted to make a quick point. In terms of his social impact, obviously it's quite relevant at the moment. We've got the football World Cup going on as we record this in Qatar and human rights and discrimination is obviously a massive issue relating to that World Cup. And it was announced yesterday that for the opening group games,

there was an intention for teams to wear a band in support of LGBT community. And they were told, don't wear that, or you will be booked. So there was a risk of, you know, a penalty there. And for whatever reason, my immediate thought was, based on what Sebastian Vettel has actually done in some of these countries, I feel like Vettel would have just, in the face of that, still gone ahead and done it at the risk of penalty. Because as you mentioned, Sam, he's done it before, where he has had the risk of penalties, at the risk of fine. And he said, I don't care if they disqualify me.

I'm making this statement. And that was my initial thought, which speaks volumes about Sebastian Vettel. that he was one of the first people I thought of in terms of staring into the face of like penalty and adversity and he would maybe be the one to, I don't know, step out ahead of it. But that was just a random thought from the other day. Harry, what do you think in terms of his overall legacy? I think there's only going to be, and this may change

because we can't look into the future, there's only going to be perhaps one other person when they leave the sport who will get, as big, if not big as, you know, sending off than Sebastian Vetter did. And that'll be Lewis Hampton. And I think that's because they're both very similar characters, like as you mentioned, the, you know, standing up in what they believe in. Obviously, Hounden and Vetter, they've grown very close over the years, you know,

in support of various causes. And Vettel stood by Hounden side, especially during Black Lives Matter in 2020. So my point is, I don't remember this weekend. I know, like, a lot of it is we're in a different age of F1 now, but even if you think that's like when Michael Schumacher retired, it was nothing, like a minuscule amount of the events around one driver. I think when Seb got out the car, he was, he even said, like, I'm a bit, I'm a bit, I'm done.

I've had enough, not had enough, but he was so wiped out by it at all. And I think that just speaks to his character, A, his character, but B, also the legacy he's left behind an F1, because it's not only a sporting legacy, which again, is very easy to forget, because he's not had success for a little while now. But, but, but, he was, he was good at the F1. Heart of, he was quite good of the F1,

and it's easy, easy to forget that. I mean, brutally good at the F1. And then in his latter year, is, yes, he's still being good at the F1. The success has not been as, not been as, as evident. But the, the things he stood for, the character he's become as, as, as a person, has, has almost surpassed that. And that's not a bad thing at all.

But my point is, he's got these sort of two, two things he's leaving behind. And I think that's why we saw such a, such a big send-off for him over the weekend. I mean, so many drivers were, you know, saying great things about him. They had, like, they're clapping on the grid. Fernando Alonzo, before he even got in his car, went over and, like, said goodbye, and he said something along the lines of, oh, I won't overtake you on the first lap. Fernando Alonzo doesn't do that. He doesn't do that for literally anyone.

All he kicks about is himself. I mean, I don't buy it, but the gesture was enough for Fernando Alonzo to say that. So, yeah, I think maybe we won't, we won't, we won't, quite understand until maybe next year but I think we are going to miss it's a big moment and because he's not been in a top car I think maybe well I speak for myself here but

but it feels like we've underestimated what an impact is going to be when when we don't have Sebastian Vettled in Formula One anymore because yeah it's a long time last time that didn't happen was you know early 2007 it's quite a long time ago now sadly so we were just starting

secondary school yeah that's frightening so it's been a while 15 years of of Sebivet and I think yeah we're not going to realize how good we had it in a way

I think yeah people F1's going to miss him in a lot of different ways I'm sure we're seeing him around but he leaves behind some big shoes to fill both from a sporting point of view

there's still records of his that haven't been broken but also from a from a you know social point of view sporting point of view, you mentioned the GPDA, Sam. Some big shoes there to fill. I think it's George Russell who's taken on that mantle, but he's got a tough job on his hands to match

Seby Vets efforts there. So going to miss Seb, and I think we, like I said, I don't think we'll quite realize it until maybe the lights go out in Bahrain next year. Almost said Melbourne. Bahrain next year. Have it. You know how things.

irrationally annoy me, like inconsequential, small things that really shouldn't matter just like proper wind me up. That Alonzo gesture that I had no plan on bringing up whatsoever, but now someone has mentioned it. That proper wound me up, actually, from Alonzo's side. You've got a job to do. You've still got a constructors battle to win against McLaren. And there you are saying, whether it's true or not, you say, I won't overtake better. no, you've got a job to do. Stop it. Yeah, that wound me up.

That is an irrational wind-up, but I didn't realize Ben would get angry about that. I'd get irrationally angry if anyone said that. I don't know. You've still got a job to do. I know you want, Beth will have a good send-off, but, you know, there's a lot of money in it between fourth and fifth. Would it have been better if he'd gone up and said, look, you little punk, I don't care if you're retiring.

I'm going to come past you, get out my way. Genuinely, yes. hundred times better if he says that. I would respect him way more if he said that. Not even a word of a lie. Even if he calls Sebastian Reto, a little punk. Maybe not the little punk bit, but the rest of the big message. I reckon Sebi would have low-key loved being called the little punk on his last race.

I think he would have secretly gone, oh, you rascal, a long-so. I get you. Little fist-bub, yeah. Boom, spub me. I agree with everything that both of you mentioned in terms of his legacy. and I would 100% agree with the overall point, and I know you made this point, I've made this point in the past as well,

how can it be that someone who has 53 race wins, there is a very small list of drivers that have more than that, as Sam mentioned, two, as someone who's got four world championships, only three drivers can say they've got more, how can it be that their off-track legacy is somehow greater than their on-track legacy? And you're right, Harry, that is a good thing.

It is a remarkable thing that you can have such an impact off the track that it can somehow match your accomplishments on the track when they're also that great. And it feels like Vettel almost has both covered off. It's almost like he covered off the professional highlights in the first half of his career. And then he's got almost the social highlights in the second half of his career.

He has been an incredible ambassador for the sport. for everything beyond racing. We've already mentioned numerous times where he stood up and made his voice heard, which is incredibly valuable. And I have concerns that it won't be replaced. And I don't think you will ever truly replace Sebastian Vessel. He is his own character in that regard.

But I do hope that some of the younger drivers do fill the void that is going to be left by Vettel. And I think you're right, Harry, that it might not sink in until we get to Bahrain because this guy has been around for 15 years. It's been a long part of F1's history that he has been at the front and center of what the sport is.

And he was, from a pure sporting legacy just to move on to that, he was bloody good at the F1. Yeah, he really was. And I think it's actually spoken volumes where we've had Max Verstappen this year break so many records, some of them because of the length of the season,

but also mainly to do with his dominance of the year. But there are still some that cropped up towards the end of the year that he didn't quite be that still belongs to Sebastian Vettel. You know, records like wins in a row and pole positions in a season and the biggest percentage of wins gained or points. I can't remember what one it was exactly. I think the points margin as well. Stappen wasn't quite able to overcome that.

So there are still these records that Vettel holds that Vestappen and indeed Hamilton's run of dominance weren't able to topple, which should tell you everything you need to know about how good he was in that Red Bull. And Sebastian Vessel, we witnessed him grow and mature as a person from the early 20-year-old that he was in 07 to where he is now.

It's been a joy to see him mature and grow. And who would have thought 10 years ago that this guy would be so well-loved and respected by everyone associated with F1, based on how hated the guy was 10 years ago. And let's be honest, most of it was completely unwarranted. Okay, he was a bit more immature back in the day, and he did one or two things that you would question. Maybe he was a bit more blunt and on the nose than he is compared to nowadays, and he has grown immature, no doubt about that.

But the fact that I truly believe this. The fact of the matter is that he was really dislike because he was too good. He was too good for a number of years. The villain, wasn't there as a pantomime villain, right? He was out there as a villain because he just won all the time. So bloody good. Yeah. Can you, um, sorry, bad to interrupt.

Can you imagine, you know, after multi-21 and they interviewed him the race after and they were like questioning his actions and he's like, it's simple, I was quicker, I passed him, I won. Can you imagine? like F1 Twitter today. If any other, any driver who'd done that came out was just like, yeah,

I was just quicker, lads. And I passed him and I won. It was honest. I mean, it was true. Yeah. Imagine if Max for Staffordshire just quoted Sebastian after Brazil. I just said, honestly, chaps,

I was much faster than him and asked F1. So I took the points. I think a lot of people were kind of gone, can't see your logic there. You know? I think I mentioned this race when Vessel announced his retirement. just as a bit of a point to raise that remember 2011,

obviously Vettel had a massively dominant year, but of course in 2011 we did have that Canadian Grand Prix that lasted five, six hours or however long it was that Jensen Button won on the final lap of the race. Crazy scenes, everyone loves it, right? All the fans, all the commentators, there's just madness about Jensen Button overtaking Vettel for the win. And I am adamant that if it was the other,

way round and Vettel had overtaken button for the win, it would have nowhere near the same level of reaction. Why? Because people wanted to see Vettel lose because he was winning all the time. British bias, mate. Yeah, I'm British bias. But it's just, I think that's a real indication of how successful he was in those days to the point where people were so desperate for him to lose because he was too good. And I think it's sad in a way. I think with Vettel, we've had it later in his career because he hasn't won as much. And I think we will get it with Hamilton after he's retired and Verstappen after he stops winning or after he retires. I think generally we really struggle to appreciate greatness when it's unfolding in front of us and it's happening. And a lot of the time,

people can only recognize someone's greatness after they've retired or after, in Vettel's case, they've stopped dominating. I really wish we could actually, in the instance of Vastappen this year or Hamilton in the years past, we could appreciate what is happening in front of us a bit more than what we actually do. I don't know. That's a bit of an observation. It's a totally, totally fair one. This is a very quick story. When I was at Silverstone, I think it's that dominant year, 2013 or 11, Vettel is leading. I'm sat in the crowd. Vessel's leading. And then the Red Bull breaks down, which is a, well, not a rarity. It did break down a few times. And there's a person behind me and my dad and he just, we didn't ask him anything, he just went

to us about bloody time. And I was like, what? TikTok, TikTok, come on. Which, again, that speaks to that. Yeah, that's because he just kept winning everything. Everyone was like, we're going to say. But you're right, Ben, it's, we should appreciate it whilst it's there not be bored or annoyed by it. Thank you, Seb. And we'll have to see what, happens next in his career. He might well come back into the fold in some capacity in F1. Obviously not as a driver anymore, but it'd be good to see him do something when the time's

right. FIA or Ferrari, please. At the same time. I'd take it. We're going to be talking Holkenberg to Hasse right after this. Before we get into Holkenberg and Hasse, I'll think I'm afraid for it Before we get into that Oh what's it got I just leave it Oh God what He's smiling F1 Fantasy

Oh no Oh yeah this is really funny actually So at the beginning of the season We set up We set up an F1 Fantasy League With the promise that we would update After every race how we were doing We did it after the first race

and never did it again. But we've still been playing. We still been, it's still been there and still being going. Some of us have been playing. I too forgot after the first race. I'm just going to put that one out. Yeah, you might want to get a lot of that now. So overall, there were 310 entrants to our league,

which is brilliant. Thank you everyone for joining. And congratulations to Andrew T, who won and was pretty dominant throughout the year. So well done to you. You managed to win. How did we do? So I finished 15th, which I'm... Respectable.

Pretty happy with that. Very respectable. Hey, I'm happy with that. Out of 310, 15th, that's lovely. Sam, you had a pretty good start, but it unraveled a little bit. But you still managed the top half finish, 131st. Yeah, I kind of forgot what to do, and I also didn't know what any of the power-up stuff did. But hey, top half, after being clueless, I'm all right with that.

Harry Hi guys 217 you're not like a hunger away from the bottom I had a couple of rounds there and we must say that a couple

that Brexit beef has been the one he's been updating us all yes thank you I don't know how to log into the fantasy thing I'm logging Lanzo's been turbo drive for all year It's got the most retirements Explain so much

It really does I didn't know I did that Anyway There are a couple of races there Where she informed me that I had basically come last For that race So I'll do you know what

I'll take it on the chin I'll give it another shot next year We go again We go again We go again Oh, for goodness sake, I hate end of year. I hate all of these podcasts, because then next week you're going to rinse me

for the bloody teammate war prediction. Hey, you might win this year. I won't. Spoiler, he doesn't. Considering, considering, no, I won't spoil it for everyone. Anyway. It's good fun. It's good fun.

Next year and next week. No, next week. Holkenberg to Hass. So, as usual, on a morning of a recording, I put together the schedule, send it over to Harry and Sam, and usually they just go, well, you put in some efforts, so that'll do. Yeah, no worries. I put a thumbs like reaction. It genuinely does. Sam replied by saying he's going to go off on Hass in segment two. So I'll leave it at that. Sam. All righty. Thanks, Ben. So yeah,

everyone, Haas, then what, most mediocre, least effort applied Formula One team? that we've seen for some time right now. Hars are so confusing as an entity. They have what could be argued as the biggest USP in Formula One, right? They are the only American-owned Formula One team. And when they came into the sport, the amount of times on this podcast alone, but it was said elsewhere many times, why don't they just go full America?

Why have they not got, you know, a blazing flag on the side? Why has they got an eagle on the bloody car? what are they doing to represent the, you know, the homelands of the states in Formula One? And they never did it. They were shunned away from that identity, that almost an obvious marketing goal where you could attract sponsors and growth and development and drivers, a pool that you would have priority in that no one else in the sport has priority in. And then they obviously hire, they get rid of Grosjeong and they get rid of Magnuson

and they hire Schumacher and Mazur. Right. that was an absolute mess that whole season. And I thought, right, they've done something correct here. They've decided to big off a whole season to make the next car, which is new regulations, makes a lot of sense. Good job. Okay, we come back.

The car skill comes second to last, right? They really haven't gained much. It's not going well for them. A lot of money wasted, a lot of money spent. And then poor Schumacher, the whole year, he hasn't had a brilliant year. I'll give him that, right? It's not being top 10 drivers of all time in this season. but he's not being bad.

He's had a few Doug races. He's had a few silly crashes. But any young driver has those moments, any young driver has those abilities. But the last few races, the last half a season was a step up. It was an improvement. It was better from Schumach.

You could see him getting annoyed and frustrated that he wasn't being able to get hold of the actual opportunity to prove himself. And then it comes out in the news that Haas essentially blocked him from speaking to other opportunities such as Williams where a seat was open. So the poor chapiep has.

been sat there, not being able to fight for a seat with anyone but his own thing, where it looks like it was gone well before the opportunity should have been. And then, and then, Hask aside to hire Enrico Holkenberg, who is 35, has it hang a proper race seat. He did, what, two races, one race for Asking Martin and start the season, right? Which everyone gave him a letoff for, because he hasn't been in the sport for, what, three years. I like Holkenberg a lot, but I don't understand what he's bringing to Hasse, the Mick Schumack of couldn't bring in development, in growth, in the name, in sponsorship, what are they going to get out of him, that they can't get out of Mick Schumacher?

I genuinely feel like Haas. And when I say Haas, I now more defer to Gunterstainer as having no clear direction, no management, no understanding of what Haas are meant to be doing in Formula One. And I think it is unfair on Mick Schumacher the way he's been absolutely tossed out. I don't think he's been given the right opportunity to do so. And I think Holkerberg, well, it's great that he gets another opportunity in the sport. Why? Why? There are so many deserving youngsters that could do with a drive that Hars could take on board and nurture, develop, and grow, or form some kind of relationship

with another team, and maybe bring on Taylor-Porshire and have some kind of bond that way or something like that. There's other opportunities with youngsters, and they just seem to be throwing it up the wall. I don't understand what Hars are doing. I don't understand their plan, both marketing and in terms of the construction of the car and the build and where the team is going, nothing seems to have any direction at all. And it is silly and a mess. And I feel a bit sorry for Mick Schumacher. Like I said, he wasn't flawless. He didn't deserve to necessarily have the best drive on the grid. But he deserved a bit more for how he was treated. And the replacement of Holgerberg baffles me a bit because I don't think he brings the experience of

someone like, I don't know, a Ricardo who maybe could have turned it around and helped develop them. It's just such a mess on that team. And I'm shocked that Gene Haas is happy. to just carry on with the status quo because I think it is a shambles and it's a bit embarrassing and I think they need to do something very different to overhaul what's going on. Because otherwise, they're a bit of a waste of space. And the fact that we haven't got someone like Angretti in the sport is very disappointing because of it. So is your position essentially then you would have kept Schumacher, but if he was to go, this wasn't the right direction and they should have gone elsewhere if he was to be replaced.

but primarily you keep him anyway. I think for me, Schumach, it's kind of six of one, half dozen of the other. Schumacher makes sense. There isn't an obvious replacement. I think Ricardo was the obvious replacement. That's where I would have gone. But if you can't get Ricardo, which they couldn't or he didn't want to go that way, fine. That's, you know, is two sides to every contract, as Otmar likes to go on about.

But at that point, Mick Schumacher's with the team. Everyone knows Mick. You need to sit him down and be honest with him and go, you've got to develop, you've got to grow, you've got to learn. that's fine. But why Holkenberg? What is he bringing? He doesn't have a wealth of cash. He's not bringing up some extra billion dollar sponsor to help the team.

He's just an X Formula One driver that was quite good five years ago. I don't. There's no logic behind it for me. It's a waste of time, effort and money for that team. And I just think it's pointless. Harry, do you understand the decision? No. not a huge

We spoke about this before it had officially been announced about the potential of it and I'm with Sam I don't I don't fully understand it like I get

some logic behind it behind Nika Holkenberg safe pair of hands yes but but but why Nika Holcombberg what I said this

at the time, not the time, but when we spoke about it before, what they've gone back to here, they might as well have just kept KMAG and Grosjean still. We might as well still be there. It might as still be 2019 for them because what they've done there is wasted two years effectively, is one year where they did absolutely NAF all on purpose, fine. But then as Sam says, they come back and finish ninth. What was the point of the NAF all year? So, yeah, I just, I don't, I don't understand it. I don't understand the direction there. The,

the, look, obviously Schumacher fanboy here, but, you know, fine if you don't want to keep Schumacher, he's not at the best year. But,

but like, hanging him on the end of a piece of string, kind of half-heartedly saying, well, you can't go anywhere else, but we'd not decide if you want to sign you. Like, come on.

What's that about? You can't just do that. Give him a chance to try and sign for, I guess it would only be Williams left on the grid. So, that was a bit off from my point of view and soured relations I think between Schumacher and the team. We heard the radio message after he's not allowed to do

donuts and he just said sarcasticity, love you too. So I feel like he was ready to go anyway. But yeah, I don't understand this decision to be honest. In a world where Nicholas Latifie can have three years in F1, I'd have given Schumacher another year. again, I'm with Sam and I guessing maybe it's more Ricardo didn't want to go there but he would have been the

obvious choice for me if you wanted to get if you wanted to change but going back to as I say what is effectively a 2019 Mark 2 version 2 line up and I mean it's the nicest way to Halkenberg because I think he's a

he's a good quality driver but but I just feels like they've gone back to to square one again and it doesn't make a lot of sense for me. And maybe I should say with the throw up on the brakes,

but I really do question Gunther Steiner and his place at Haas because I think he might just still be there because he's good TV, he's good publicity, because what has he done? He's been there since 2016.

If this was at any other team, they'd have got rid of him by now. Completely agree. The lifespan of the team principle is shorter and shorter these days. isn't, you know, rightly or wrongly so. But what is the visible success that Hath have had to justify him, just to why I'm still being in the team?

So anyway, one for another, one for another day, but fundamentally I don't think this is the right call for Hasse. Yes, I'll have a safe pair of hands next year, and I don't doubt it at all. I think Hulkenberg will deliver some solid results for them, as well KMag, as long as they don't run into each other. And fine, but is that, what they're in F-1-4.

Who knows? Maybe it is, but that doesn't seem like the right choice for me. The Steiner point is an interesting one. And just to, if I've got my numbers right here, add on to it.

I think we're now at a point where Hasse's best season, which of course came under good Steiner, it was closer to the start of Hasse existing than it is to now, if that makes sense. Like, that's not a great indictment given you don't expect teams to come in

and do well straight away. But we are, we are, what, four years removed now from that half season where they narrowly missed out on fourth place in the championship. And it might, you know, it's recovered this year versus last year, sure,

but not to the level of fourth. Yeah. No. In terms of Schumacher losing his seat, because I'll take them separately, Schumacher losing his seat and who they replace him with. I'm fairly,

I'm fairly ambivalent about Schumacher are going. I don't think he can be, I'm sure he's gutted himself obviously, but I don't think he can be massively aggrieved by the decision, quite honestly, because I don't think he has been brilliant. Like, he has lost to Kevin Magnuson this year. I think he's had opportunities to do better than he's done. So I don't think he can look at this season and say, wow, I've been robbed here, right? He can think, I'd probably deserve the third season, but I don't think he can feel robbed by this. said that, you've already mentioned Nicholas Latifi getting a third year, I'd throw two more names in there as well. Have Yuki Sanoda and Antonio Giovanni, did they do more after two years

to justify a third year than what Schumacher has done after two years? Probably not. I'd say it's pretty even, in all honesty. And to be fair, to Schumacher as well, you can discard so much of what he did in year one, it was such a terrible car, which neither of those two drivers had to contend with Germanazzi and Sonoda specifically. Both of those drivers had viable cars for two years and got a third year. With Schumacher, that hasn't happened. So it could have gone either way in terms of whether he retained a seat and I would have been okay with that decision. But I'm completely with you in terms of who replaces him because I have a lot of respect for NECO Holkenberg as a driver.

And typically, Holkenberg has been, you've already mentioned the word solid, and I don't think there's a better word than that to describe him as an F1 driver.

He is competitive with whoever you put him up against, right? He was competitive against Ricardo at Renault, narrowly lost, but was competitive, against Perez for,

what, four years, barely anything between them, apart from the podiums. And then Carlos Sines, like he was the better driver at Renault when compared to Carlos Sines. So you've got three

good drivers there. that Holkenberg matched up well with. The problem that you've already mentioned is he's not their future. He can't be. At 35 years old, that is not a long-term decision. And they are just going back on exactly what they set out to do. When they replaced two drivers with two rookies, something that is so rarely done,

it was a bold call to write off a full season. It made sense. I completely agreed with it, but it was a bold call. And if you don't think that Schumacher is, quote unquote your guy. Like he's not the driver to see you into the future. Okay, it's better to acknowledge that and not push on because you've made the decision. It's better to acknowledge that that isn't going well and you need to divert paths.

But at least divert paths a different way. At least look at another rookie who might be your future, someone coming up from F2 who might be that guy for you where you thought Schumacher was going to be him, but it's not turned out that way. Nika Holkenberg is in his mid-30s. It does seem to be a short-term decision that isn't going to benefit them three years down the line. It's someone new coming into the team.

You know, what would, realistically, if Holkenberg was in that car instead of Schumacher this year, where to Hass finish? Probably exactly where they finished anyway. Maybe they're in the fight with Astor, and Alpha Ramaya if Hulk is in that seat. I think they still just about miss out, quite honestly. So would it have really gained them anything to have Hulk there this year?

I don't know. And ultimately also, if you're employing Hulk to say, I think he can be the difference between us getting sick for the seventh. That really speaks volumes about your aspirations in the sport. And I would much rather have teams that want to win rather than scrape a sixth place in the championship. So if I was replacing Schumacher with someone, I would go elsewhere. You mentioned poor share.

That was definitely an option that went through my mind as well. But this doesn't seem right. And ultimately, we've seen some quotes from Hasse this year. I'd say Hasse is in Gene Hasse and Gunther. Maybe this is too harsh. Maybe it's not. I'm sure Hass Sanders, I think this is too harsh. But it feels like a lot of the time, they set him up for failure.

It feels like a lot of the time they did not set him up to succeed with unrealistic expectations of regular point scoring that Magnuson didn't achieve either. So it's a sad end, to be honest, because he has been committed to Hass throughout. He's been very good from a media perspective. He hasn't spoken out against the team. And this is how he's been treated in terms of not being able to look elsewhere and being pretty unceremoniously dumped. I'd see Look and again It's not the greatest year

In F1 history from Schumacher But I think his damage was Literally the damage was done earlier on the year We had a couple of big crashes And that's probably where The difference in points Between him and Mangelson mainly came

Because Mangelson had a good start to the year And then the middle part When he came on strong He did score some decent points And then for the I don't know The third third third final third of the year,

that Hasse has been, apart from the pole position from KMAG, that has been pretty rubbish. I mean, it perfectly coincides with how HAST developed their car as well though, right?

They came out and publicly said they bring developments at the start of the year, they bring developments over the summer break and then they don't develop the car again. So, you know, Magas Singh and Schumacher did one at the start of the year,

and that's when Schumack had those couple of crashes, which were his fault, they were the problem. But then after the summer break, when they got that next kick of upgrades, you start seeing results come back again. You start seeing Schumacher excel against the other big field cars and then

they get out developed. So the Haas car drops back even further and we saw Magnuson barely scored a point what since the summer break. Schumacher again, I only picked up a few. It shows the car wasn't capable of scoring points. So while I don't think, like I've already said, I'm not bothered whether he's in that seat or not, but I do think, due to his performances, but I do think that his treatment from Haas, the way that Gene Haas and Goodthes Steyer are running that team at the moment and then who they've chosen to replace him with is such a short-term pointless direction that they're going in that I just don't understand what they're bothering with in Formula One at the moment. It seems like an absolute waste of a spot on the

grid, which is so frustrating. A lot of this will be forgiven though if in 2023 has come out with a full-on Yee-Hah USA livery. Make the little bit on top of the air intake look like a cowboy hat and I will be very happy. I'm sure you would. So why not? Literally what is stopping you? You've got no sponsors. Why not?

Right. What is Mungi Graham? What is that? Oh God. Before we move on, I did just want to say to your point about Magnuson's scoring well in the early part of the year and Schumacher's damage being done early, race five onwards, Schumacher have more points. It's very true how I think I think Magnuson scored 12 points in the first two races and he scored 13 the rest of the year.

So the damage was done early definitely. Yeah. We're going to take a short break and we'll be talking F1 Academy after this. So it looks as if F1 is, I was going to say, getting their act together, but that might be a stretch. They're introducing a new initiative. they're introducing a new racing series, which is being raced at the F4 level. It's fully dedicated to women in motorsports.

So I think it's 15 drivers are going to be given the opportunity at an F4 level. It's a seven-race calendar. Sorry, seven event calendar. It's 21 races with three races at each venue. It's very W-series-esque in terms of the setup, it seems. Sam, what did you make of the announcement here? Let's start with the positives. I think this is a good step from Formula One.

I think the fact that they are, I think they're splitting the funding for every driver, right? 50% of it has to come from the driver or the sponsors, and 50% comes with Formula One itself, which is great that they are investing that far down. And I think it needs to go even further than that. And I'll get on to that. And this is very good. 150,000 to each. Yes, yes, 150,000 for each individual entrant.

And then they have to bring 150,000. themselves, which will come off either investment sponsor, maybe you've got a wealthy family member, I wish I did. Yes, anyway, Keith. So that's where they've got. Keith, please, if you're listening, get yourself an ice shirt and invest in my Formula One project. So, yeah, I think it's positive that we are seeing the global awareness and the global stage for women in racing being put forward and promoted further.

And they are being given a step up at an earlier point in the first. formula ladder, shall we say, right? That's good. That is good. Let's talk about, not necessarily the negatives, but the criticisms I have of what's going on here. Firstly, why is this only come about when W series looked like it was in the absolute toilet, right, at the end of this year with their funding? Everyone was critical about W series, you know, they've overreached, they haven't the funding to finish the season. That isn't a good look for any series regardless, but it's not a good look for the only all-women series in the sport. And, you know, and it's a good look for the only all-womening series in the sport.

And it almost feels like Formula One noticed this and went, we can win a PR battle here. How can we save women in motorsport? We'll set this grassroots enterprise up. And maybe I'm being cynical. Maybe it's cynical Sam is coming out there and looking at it. Oh, I know. The baton has been passed.

And maybe I'm looking at this with a negative, a glass half full approach. But for me, it felt like they were quite content with W-series doing the job fulfilling a, oh, well, women have a chance. They have W series. And then until it failed, they went, oh, now we've got to do something. That's kind of how it felt to me. I also feel like the support doesn't go far enough.

I think there needs to be stuff before the F4 period. They need to be setting up. This is a very bad example to use. I'm aware of this, but I think there are parts of it that are very relevant. FIFA, who are going under massive scrutiny for corruption, ignore that bit. A good day, aren't they? Yeah, now ignore the corruption part. Just talk about the grassroots funding.

Get that on a quote for social media. Samuel Sage says, ignore the corruption. No, FIFA and football soccer to our American listeners. They have set up grassroots academies and approaches across multiple countries globally, right? Not just Europe, you know, not just the Americas, Asia, Africa, you know, Oceana, South America as well, Central America, everywhere has a grassroots fund. that they can access, that they can grow. Even if that was limited to, I don't know, if you have a race on the Canada,

you get access to grassroots funding and you can give this to carting, to scholarships, to options for young prodigies that are coming through, and that has to be split partial between men and women in the sport. Something needs to be given to them before they reach the F4 stage. I do not think this is enough.

I do not think it's early enough in the career. Equally, I don't think it goes late enough into the Formula One ladder either. You drop the support, the moment they leave. this F4 level academy basis, right? If they get into F3 or they get into F2, because they're good, they don't get any funding anymore from F1.

That goes. They have to go out and find the rest of the funding. And we've proven it a lot of the times that women in motorsport cannot find the funding that is required to keep a seat that is very much more expensive in the F3, F2, or even F1 level. So much pricier, it needs to be from zero all the way up to 100 support there, until we get to a level where we regularly have brilliant young female women talent coming through the ranks regularly.

You know, not one driver who might pop into an F3 or F2C once every four or five years. It still isn't enough. So I'm being cynical, I think this is a PR move from F1. And yes, I think it's a PR move that does someone some good, which isn't a bad thing. But I think they've jumped on a negative to try and make themselves look good. But it needs to go further. They need to be more investment. Formula One makes more than enough money that they can provide it.

And I think it should go even further than what it is. So one step in the right direction, but there needs to be another hundred steps for it to feel like you've properly caring and you're properly given someone a chance, I think. Harry, what was your reaction to the announcement? Yeah, look, we'll start with positive. anything that me where the end result

is we can get more women into into motorsport but the the top end result being F1 which is the ultimate goal here any initiative to do that

no matter how flawed it is in people's views and I'm sure everyone has to have views on this but it's a good thing I don't think there's any argument that can that can go against that. If that's the end result, that's a good thing. But I'm with Sam here because why does it

take W series, which as we speak, as we record this, very much unknown as to whether they'll be a part of the F1. I know it's mentioned in F1's post about it, but not confirmed that they'll be there next year as part of the F1 support, support roster. Why does it take W series to come along spend a I was swollen a shed load of a shed load of money

a top load a tough poop a shed load of money to get themselves into the F1 support grid then run out of money because they haven't got

the backing and now it's unsure whether they'll be there why does it take that for F1 to go that's actually quite a good idea we should do that

and do their own one why do you have to wait until that happens and then B, why not bail out W series? Because it just doesn't, they've done all the W series here have done all the legwork. They've done all

the legwork and getting a woman only series, a feeder series off the ground. It didn't start with F1, they were a support a support race for DTM I think in their first year. So way lower back and they've clawed their way out the ladder once people started and noticed it was kind of

working or I don't know, well, There's lots of different views on that, but it was getting attention, wasn't it? F1 jumped on it. And now that that's looking uncertain, they've just taken all that legwork. And then they've got the nice end result of the end, which is a nice PR story. As you say, it's an PR story for F1. Look at what we're doing. Now, again, it's quite cynical. But that's what it strikes me as.

And it's, like I say, if the end result is more women in most sport and F1, obviously a good thing. but it's just it's frustrating that why can't they use why can they just help the poor people at W Series out who've done all the work for this done it off their own back so yeah that that's quite frustrating

that that's um you know hopefully if W Series doesn't make it maybe people from W Series can go over to this F1 Academy and working there but I just I'd lose a bad taste in my mouth And again, I'll reiterate that point one more time. If the end result is more women in F1, it's only a good thing, obviously,

but just the way it's been handled, it's not great. I mean, if the end result is more women in F1, then I agree with you. But I don't understand how. I don't, you know, no disrespect to W series, because you're right, there's been a lot of hard work to get that off the ground. and I'm not saying this is on W series at all, but it isn't working. Regardless of the financial situation, that can be put to one side, it isn't working. Are we, at this moment in time, any closer than we were three years ago, four years ago,

to having a woman in F1? No. In which case, the one question I want to ask F1 on this, if I had one question, I would simply say, why is this going to work? let me know why this is going to work where W series hasn't worked because fundamentally there isn't a lot of difference. I know it's an F4 level rather than F3, but in terms of giving a women only series, it's the same thing. In terms of giving a similar number of drivers the opportunity, same thing. They're not going to be supporting the Formula One calendar apart from

on one race weekend, I believe. I think it's going to be completely separate other than that. I just don't understand here what, I understand what the goal is. I just don't understand what they think is going to happen here that couldn't happen as a result of W series. And I 100% agree with your point, Sam, and I've made this countless times,

so I won't go into too much depth on it. The issue is lower down. The issue is far closer to grassroots level than anyone is trying to do anything about. I appreciate. there being something more than nothing, absolutely agree on that. But I don't, I don't foresee a place in, in formula, I don't foresee a future where equality is achieved through segregation. I don't, I don't see it happening. Because fundamentally, it shouldn't need to exist. And I think we're not

seeing enough, enough women progress up the ladder, because there isn't enough, whether it's encouragement, whether it's people doing more in terms of sponsorship. I don't know what exactly the issue is, and it's probably not one thing. But it's got to come from lower down in grassroots level. So the overall talent pool that F4 teams have to choose from and carting teams have to choose from is wider and more diverse. And at that point, I think you start to address the issue. I think they need to go further down than F4. And I just don't see anything here that makes me think, Wow, W-series didn't get a woman in F-1, didn't get a woman F-2 or F-3 either. This is going to work, though.

This is going to work. What I would love to see is, because at the moment, Sam's right, there's no link here between what they've got and what F-3 and F-2 have got, right? I know they're part of the same ladder, but there's no link other than that. I would love to see Formula One broker a deal between their own series, or the FIA, their own series, and an F3 team, if not maybe a couple, where you say, okay, the winner of this series will race for you next year.

If you need to get some sort of financial incentive to get that deal over the line, so be it. But there needs to be a link up between this series and then the overall ladder of F3F2. So I would broker a deal with one of the F3 teams to say, okay, the winner of this series will be promoted to your team. for F3. And if it takes

the money to do it, it takes money to do it. I think, then I think you go even further. I think Formula One I've got the money. The FIA have got the money and they put a team

funded by Formula One in F3 and F2 and it only allows for women drivers just for a bit to get the ball rolling. And then you also provide from grassroots, so from carting associations

all the way up to Formula 2 a fund, a discount fund, a subsidiary fund that says if you have a women driver in your team, of course they have to meet a skill level, but if you have a woman driver in your team from carting, all the way up to F2, you will receive a discount or a fund financially

that supports you for, you know, because the sponsorship needs to come. It takes time. But it allows them also to have a benefit for the teams to bring that in. And that is how you get the door open. Yeah, I agree with that. It's just I really hope we avoid a situation. where Jamie Chadwick in W series has done an excellent job,

really dominant in that series year after year, three-time consecutive champion. And it isn't happening progression-wise. And I'm just looking at this thinking, is the next Jamie Chadwick going to appear in this series and would it three years in a row and not going to see it in F3? Because I don't want that. I want to see that progression to F3.

Because otherwise, what's the point in the series? There needs to be that hookup between what they've got here and what is already existing in terms of the ladder. It does seem opportunistic as well. I would agree with that. There was one quote that really, it almost made me laugh and cry at the same time, right? This is from the official statement.

During assessments of the barriers young female drivers face with entering the F1 pyramid, it became clear that they do not have the same experience as their male counterparts at the same age. I can't write what I put after this because it would get bleeped. Yeah, of course. Have you just arrived to that conclusion? I'll tell you what, what I've written down is, word for word,

no, something, Sherlock. I'll let you guess what the middle word was. We've undertaken assessments and an investigation here, and you know what? I think this might not be. Fair. I think, I think that men might be more advantage than women, you know? Right. Nice one. FI. Yeah. Holy Society. I think Ben saying, duh to F1 is the top 10 moments of the year. Potential Hall of Fame. Duh. F1. Yeah. Duh. That's better than me saying all the corruption,

quite frankly. That's number two, mate. also angrives me going off for a bit of a maybe a cultural rank here I don't care if you disagree with me it always has been they said female and not women in their statement because you can identify as a woman and I think that's also really important

again the equality and awareness that is in motorsport which is not good enough either and I thought that was really ignorant that they wrote female we're gonna move on from this one we're gonna play F1 back and forth right after this all right we're gonna play

F1, back and forth. Let's hear the jingle. F1. Back and forth, it's F1. Back and forth, it goes backwards. Then goes forth, it's F1. Back and forth, F1. You know that that bass live

would just absolutely slap. This is absolutely tragic. I can't hear the bloody jingle. That's really funny. I had a great time. I mean, I will literally hear it again when I edit, but it's not the same as it is live when Sam sings it live. I always sing it live.

You just clearly can't hear me. F1 back and forth. It's a simple concept. Harry versus Sam, where they will have to name things in a category. There are a number of correct answers to the category they don't yet know until one of them comes up with a wrong answer or can't think of anything. They can see, they lose, and the other one wins.

I'll tell you what, folks I'll tell you what, they are going to hate this one. They are going to properly. As soon as I say what this is, they're going to go, Ben, in that exact voice. Good. So I would at this point ask, do you want to hear what it is?

But based on that, you'd probably say no, so I'm going to say it anyway. So I want you to name, there are 23 correct answers in this category. I want you to name circuits that have hosted a race since 23, and a longer than three miles in distance. Oh, bang.

Have a day off. Told you. Told you. Longer than three miles. That's so ridiculously specific. Get in the Bing. Get in the Wilkinson's Bing. How many, how many, nice.

Sam said the other day, we haven't mentioned Wilkinson's for a while, so there you go. Yeah, I broke it out. How many are there? 23 Oh jeez So anything that's longer than three miles is good

Anything that's less than three miles is a wrong answer Before we start If you enjoy hearing Sam and I Be really stupid about this Leave a review, please How many stars Harry? Not one, not two Not three, not four

Five stars Yay, there it is Good on seamless Do you want to go first Crapped in the door Do I want to go first? Yeah, go on then

Yeah, I'll go first I'm going to say Singapore Singapore That is an interesting one to start Jesus, Sam You are leaving it Really close on that

That's 3.1 miles What, I thought it was like the longest circuit. That's why I chose Singapore. That's how little I know. This is going to be a short game of back and forth. Genuine. There's only one that's after that on my list. Oh, cric.

You cut it very fine there. Oh. Harry. Um, oh my God. Spa. Quite a long one. Spar's a good shout. Spar is the longest circuit on the calendar at 4.3 miles.

well then. Sam. Cota. Cota is a correct answer. 3.4 miles on that one, so a bit safer. Oh, good. Harry.

Silverstone? Silverstone is a correct answer. It's the fourth one on the list at 3.6 miles. Sam. Oh. Just got cancelled. Shanghai. Is it?

Yeah. Well, officially? I think so. Oh, dear. When I was asleep. Sorry about that. 3.3 miles, correct answer. Yay!

Harry. Um, oh, God. Suzuki? Suzuki is a correct answer. 3.6 miles on that one as well. Same as Silverstone. Sam.

Bahrain, that's kind of long. Long enough for this game, 3.3 miles. Good. Harry, back to you. Oh, Ben. I knew I love this one. How many have we done? Seven.

Only 16 to go. Good? Good. Oh. 2013. I try to think if there's any really obscure tracks that aren't there anymore. There's got to be a cut like obvious ones. Hang, I've only had seven. Not in my head. Well, we don't go there anymore. Sochi? Sochi, yes. That is a correct answer. Also part of the 3.6 mile club.

Huge. Yeah. Sam. Paul Ricard. Sam's joining the 3.6 mile club. Oh, don't tell Ted Cravitz. He loves clubs. It does. Harry.

I'm a bit hesitant on this one because I've got, well, because it changed. I don't know if it changes configuration. Does that make a difference? I should have verified this, actually. It's the latest configuration of all of these tracks. So the last one that was running F1. Oh.

Okay. I'm going to go for Yarsmarina. Yasmarina. Yasmarina is a correct answer. A bit closer on that one, 3.2 miles, but it is correct. Criky, Mikey. Sam. Jedder's surely got to be on there.

Jedder is the second longest track on the calendar at 3.8 miles. Wow, that is a lot longer than I thought Harry A stupid stupid circuit It's too long and it's stupid I will go for Melbourne Do do do do do do do

Yes All good 3.2 miles on that one Sam I've got to I've got a lot of corners, so this might be the reason why I think it's quite long, but the lap's really short. Monza.

There are many corners around Monza at all, but it's still a long track. 3.6 miles on that. Harry. Have we said Baku? We haven't said Baku. Could I say? Should I say Baku? Should I say Baku? I'd probably say Baku if I were you.

I'm going to say Baku. Baku is the third longest on the calendar, 3.7 miles. So if you get any wrong from here, it's not an embarrassment because you've got all of the main like eight or so. Oh, good. Sam, back to you. Party in the city with the heaters on. Miami, right?

Miami's good. 3.3 miles on that one. Harry, back to you. Did you hear that? I did. What are you saying? What did you say? Are you saying?

Lauren? Was it Lauren? Is she okay? The, I don't know if anyone had heard that. Microwave was a, microwave was beeping. But just in case you didn't hear that,

Lauren, thought she'd just shout sorry through the wall. Oh, it's okay, Lauren. You're a natural treasure. Soutly, get away with that one. Saying sorry. That's something that's five times louder

than the thing that actually caused the noise. Thanks, Lauren. Cheers. Cheers for that. Um, uh, right. Are any of them?

No, it's fine. I won't ask that. Asking for clues already. Asking for clues. What is it still? I'm just trying to think we must be getting to like ones that aren't there anymore. I've got a few in mind that aren't there that I think fit into this.

It's so difficult. I'm trying to think of lap times. That's what I'm trying to work out. Valencia? Was that 2013? Oh, no. That's 2012? damn there's not even any suspense about whether you're right or wrong because you know it

wasn't 2013 very good point uh you're gonna be gutted though harry i was gonna say ye on nam yeah that was the that was a good answer 3.4 miles on that one that's a real that's a real surreal shame. Sam wins. Come on. Spang. You suck, by the way. That's a stupid game.

Great. I liked it because I won. Just put your feedback in a review and I'll get back to you. Sapang. That was my next. That was my next answer with Sapang.

Qatar, LaSalle, 3.3. Istanbul, also 3.3. Magello 3.2. Nureberg 3.1. Big Bud in India, 3.1. Oh, I love

Bud. The one that was right on the cusp at three miles, Imola. There's so many tracks I just forgot about. They just didn't.

2020 did not happen in my head. I've had this conversation with you before. 2020. Yeah, you do forget that that existed. It didn't happen.

Sorry, Lewis Hamilton, the sixth time, or champ. I don't know what you're talking about. I'd have been stumped early in this one, because I'd have had Al Garver over three miles, and that's not there. Oh, yeah.

I would have lost fairly early at this, because I would have been a foxture that me and Harry don't remember half of things. Like, a lot of the time they're the wrong ones. We just went through this year's tracks. I got a couple. So as predicted, you both loved that one. I knew the moment I came up with it, you were going to hate me even more than you already do.

To be honest, mate, I think if you just said tracks from 2013 onwards, we might have had a struggle there. You didn't need three miles. It doesn't take much if you had to have a struggle overall on these games. I mean, you're trying to include years that aren't in the rules. That's like me saying Jackie Ix. You know what?

I'm going through old episodes and that came up a week or so ago. That's a proper funny one. What episodes that been? I'm not going to go listen to it. I can't remember. I've got a Wikipedia that. I'm going to Wikipedia, but I was wrong.

Classic. Jackie Hicks there in 1982 with his feet up on the on the couch. I think I did, mate. Oh, leave me alone. I've just won it by the game. Yeah, I have been fairless.

Should we go on to question? I've got to let you do you jingle, are I? Go on. Yeah. I'll be question of the Wheatling. Brilliant, thanks, Harry. Again, absolutely ripped off, not original whatsoever.

SOS has a help. Our question of the week, actual doctor, not just Dr. Nige. Our question of the week was, what are we going to get up to in the off season? Wrong answers only, as usual, that came through via our Instagram and Twitter. Any that caught your eye? some of them are so long. There's a lot here. There's a lot to go off from this one.

Honestly, I don't know where to start because, yeah, like, a lot of them were like they did, they named what each of us were doing. So Lucy M on Twitter said, Sam would be testing all the sausages for Gazley's Alpine debut celebration. Harry affecting his fence balancing with a Lake District hiking, holiday effort so niche and then Ben running endless data algorithms to try and understand Ferrari strategy until his laptop blows up.

Sounds about right. Sounds about. And then another one, Ben, creating his 50-50 new 50-50 games for Sam. Sam learning how to say sausages out for Gassley in French and Harry finishing his paper mash try to Alonso. I really enjoyed Davy Sake on Instagram saying I imagine a Rocky four star montage of Sam practicing multiple choice questions until he becomes the ultimately mean question answering machine and then still go until there's every 50-50 round next season. That's so true.

Someone else had the same thing, card jam on Instagram, saying Sam will spend the winter flipping a coin day and night, seven days a week, training his mind to be able to successfully answer a 50-50 while listening to a soundball clip of Skyler saying the answer is C. You know, it's classic. It's brilliant. I mean, Monty 21, Ian on Twitter said the boys will be furiously practicing their traditional Norwegian folk dancing routine in preparation for next year's world folk championships in Trondheim. And then someone has replied,

someone's replied who is actually Norwegian saying, as a Norwegian, I can tell you, it takes a long time to nail the hauling kicks. So they're a challenge, don't it? That sounds like we're doing an idiot abroad at this point. My, I've got to say, my favorite answer from both Twitter and Instagram was from Jan

who said, what are we going to be doing in the off season? What do you mean? Charles is still in the championship five. Oh, that is such a bang joke. We haven't finished yet.

That was, hey, they were one, two, three in the post-dabby-dabby test today. Maybe they think it's worth points. I don't know. One, two, three, I know. I saw that. Come on, guys,

just not how that works. Joel on Instagram simply said, this might be a bit, you know, PG, but rubbing your saucer-gues together for warmth. I, yeah, that's all I'm. Well, Greg, it's at the end of the podcast that we can say that. Quinlan Lloyd said badgering Kevin to fix Sam's room.

I think he means, do me, he's keeping. Kevin! Oh, dearie me. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of creativity here from, from your lot. There was one from Rob, which was, Ben's going to analyse every Ferrari social media post, checking for any spelling, mistakes, which actually does sound like something I'd do.

So that's pretty small. Oh, dear. A lot of people said I'd be, I'd be like desperately trying to get Aston Marta-Lonzo-related merch. There's about three of those. A lot of people saying you're fixing fakes panels from sitting on them as well. Sam, new whirly bar, supply chain manager at Azda, Harry over-cicking some gammon and Ben getting thrown for a bag of chips working on

2023 soundboard. Yeah, sure. There were a lot of great answers. as per usual. We'll put something out again next week. I'm sure we're going to do one around Christmas presents or something like that in the upcoming weeks. That sounds.

Don't spoil it. Sounds about right, doesn't it? But yeah, we'll keep an eye out. Usually on a Monday or a Tuesday, that will appear. And we'll read out the best as normal. When we remember. Yeah, sometimes we don't remember in time. And it's like three hours before the podcast.

but if we remember before that, it will be there. Sam, would you mind getting us out of here? Sure. That was the LB question of the week. The harmonies. Sorry, Harry. So good. Hill.

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