The Late Braking F1 Podcast - Who is UNDER PRESSURE in 2025?!

Episode Date: January 26, 2025

As we head into the final year of the current regulations, the team share their picks for who’s most UNDER PRESSURE to perform this season. They also discuss recent organisational changes at Haas, Liam Lawson's comments on his 2024 approach, and wrap up with a game of F1 Alphabetti! FOLLOW us on socials! You can find us on YouTube, Instagram, X (Twitter) and TikTok SUPPORT our Patreon for bonus episodes JOIN our Discord community JOIN our F1 Fantasy League EMAIL us at [e-mail]   & SUBSCRIBE to our podcast! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Thank you for listening to the Late Breaking F1 podcast. Make sure to check out new episodes every Wednesday and every Sunday. Welcome to the Late Breaking F1 podcast presented by Harry Ead, Sam Sage, and me, Ben Hocking, on this Sunday that's definitely a Sunday. We are recording on a Sunday. Say it again, Benck, it'll make it more true. We're actually recording on a Wednesday, sorry.

Oh, there it is. I also had to resist the impulsive urge to pick up another chunk of chocolate off my desk and just start eating it through the intro, which would have made the most abhorrent noise for everyone listening. So for all you audio files out there, you better thank me. You know how Kirstie would have got rid of it? I'd have amplified it.

I love that. I think you slowed it down as well to really enjoy it. This is podcast too without producer Kirstie while she's away on holiday. How do you think we're getting on? I've stopped eating normal food. My hair is growing too long. My being is becoming ragged and tired. I barely slept.

So it's almost like trekking through a long and dark wilderness. I think the correct answer to how's it going is Harry's camera barely works. That's true. A summary of how it's gone so far. I couldn't get my camera to turn on. And we've had some real ongoing issues with the soundboard, the soundboard that I have and she's been away as we record

this for a day. Funny enough, we believe neither of those things are related to her the slightest. No, it's all gone wrong because she's left is gone. It's gone wrong. The moment she comes flat, Melus Barakius to stop. We can only hope so.

Right, what are we going to talk about today? We've got some comments from Liam Lawson about his racing approach last season, of course, looking ahead to his 2025 campaign, campaign for Red Bull Racing, some changes at Hasse in terms of key personnel. So our thoughts on that and what it could mean for the team ahead of the season. But we're going to start off today's episode with an episode we did pretty much the same time last year, which is looking at our top five most under pressure drivers or people within the sport going into the season.

For context, I went back and listened to this episode that we did last year. Sam, number one on your list last year for most under pressure was the FIA. I don't think they listened to you. No. They might not enjoy this episode if that's the case. Are all five of yours the FIA? Five is F, four is I, three is A,

two is do it again, one is be better. Oh, you could have had two and one as Ben Ansulliam. Oh, I'm not that witty. So yeah, you had the FIA at number one last year. I had Sergio Perez at number one last year. Also went well. Also went well. But Harry, clearly McLaren were listening to you.

You put McLaren as most under pressure. And Zach Brown went, damn, we cannot let this guy down. Can't let him down again. Yeah. So whoever you pick at number one actually has a chance of turning their fortunes around. Wow. No pressure there. No pressure on me.

Yeah. Pressure on your side. self. Number five, Sam. I'm assuming it's not actually the letter F, but what have you got? No, it's not actually the letter F. I'm kick-starting at five with Toto Wolf. He has been going through a tricky time. Mercedes has been going through a tricky time, as I'm sure you're all aware. They don't understand how cars work. They've lost the most influential driver in Formula One history. They've replaced him with a tiny Italian man, whoever seems to think is probably still Lewis, Howard. No, no, no, no, it's a me.

Killian de Gelly. I'm sure he's going to be an incredible talent, but we'll really need will really need some harnessing and sculpting and molding to make sure he really turned into this, you know, he can deliver on this potential. George Russell is, um, I think probably looking to either leave this team or not grow tired of this team this year. It's going to be a really interesting transition for him now. Hamilton is completely gone. Um, and they're all this while trying to set themselves up for a kickstart into success in 2026 they are the worst of the best they are in no man's land and equally they can't rest spend a lot of time and or money on this relatively now split line up to get back in that pack so they've got a hope that a

relatively cheap and effective set of upgrade packages puts them back where they needs to be in that fight with Ferrari mcclown and a red bull and they don't continue to drift further afield um yeah i think Toto has probably got a few eyes on him at the moment. And I think it's quite lucky that he's a major shareholder in the likes of the F1 team and in Mercedes-Benz. Otherwise, who knows? Things might start to circle. What do you think constitute success for Toto Wolf this season?

Like, is it winning a championship? Is it being in a championship fight? Is it vindication for the Antonelli call? And he's actually really good in his first year. Like what could be some of the things that at the end of the year you would go actually, that's been a good one for Toto. Sounds really silly. I'm going to boil it down to one word

and that is just consistency. Now, if they are still consistently the fourth fastest team, but they fully understand what the problem is, where their car is so, where their car is fast, how they need to adapt it

and where they need to develop, then to me, that is a successful season. This 2025 season is very much a win it and bin it or a total right off and you kind of move on to the new season

as soon as possible and the new regulations. But if they can gain a consistency in their results across all tracks, whether that be podiums, whether that be fifth and sixth, it doesn't matter. It's that understanding of the core fundamentals of how to be fasted gang that they're lacking.

If they can grasp those, for me, that means the future is bright for Mercedes-Geng and that's being successful. How are you kicking off your list, Terry? Number five or four or three or two, no, my joking. and number five. I've got classic tracks

because we've seen, obviously we spoke about this the other day with SPAR on its rotation deal as of 2020, six or months, seven onwards, that it's, they may remain on the calendar,

but even if you have the prestige and the history of Spar Frankenchel, Thank you, so malicious. Then it means nothing because if you can't pay the dollar or I guess deliver the entertainment, then it could be the end or the beginning of the end of your time

with the F-on calendar. We've seen Barcelona, which hasn't got the same prestige, but it's been there since 1991. I know, man. Were you saying about Barcelona? I was saying it sucks. You want to say it to my face?

Scrap, fight. Scrap, fight. Scrap, fight. It's the screen. So the pressure's on for the There's almost not much they can do about the racing But the pressure is on for these events These racetracks to deliver great F1 event weekends

And and the pressure is on them to have exciting races Because this is getting into crucial crunch time In terms of negotiations around Some of the older tracks on the calendar Other ones are locked in forever in a day But they tend to be newer and Monaco So for the likes of Eberl and places like that,

press them. So that's number five on my list. Number five on my list. My boy, Esteban Ockon, I've got a number five because it feels like an opportunity at haste to really seize the team between himself and Oliver Berman, perhaps more than any other team on the grid. It feels very up for grabs because Berman has been with the team before.

Obviously he's stubbed in in 2024, but he's been there and done. you know, a junior driver, he's been a junior driver for them. He's done a few FP1 sessions. So he's got the familiarity with the team. Ocon is the more experienced driver, has really proven himself an F1. It feels up for grabs. And I worry that if Bayerman gets a bit of a lead early on gets that initiative,

Ocon might be relegated to something of a Kevin Magnuson role, where even if he has the contract, he might never be seen as that number one driver within the team. And I think he's good enough to grab it, but he still needs to go out there and grab it. The Alpine mess, and I don't just mean the last year or two, I just mean his entire career at Alpine and Renault. It's wasted a lot of years of his career.

And he could really use, he could really do a Hass working out for him. Because if that doesn't work out, he's running out of opportunity. So the fingers crossed for him again, I do think he's got the talent to prove it. But he has got to go in and there and almost shut down Oliver Berman and fully assert himself as that lead driver. Put out a bear trap. Nice.

Thanks. Nice to the pun. I don't necessarily condone putting male people in bear traps. Okay, good. Number four. Thanks for the expansion. We're going back to that number one that you brought up

and that is the FIA. We had a lot of changes. When I say FAA, I've also included the stewards, sorry. So FIA is stewarding, we had a lot of changes towards the end of the this season with removal of race stewards, race directors, changes in how rules are being and minasinses without really any long form explanation.

It was just kind of a snap of the finger and all of a sudden, harsher penalties have been brought back in. Ways of doing things have been suddenly changed. We also had the descendancy of the rulings from Bencilium about things like swearing and how drivers should be presenting themselves in press conferences and over cars things like that. We need to start this season with a very, very clear set of guidelines on rules of engagement, how penalties are applied, what wheel to wheel racing looks like,

and how drivers need to conduct themselves in a clear, sensible and common sense-filled manner that allows for exciting and a fun season that is fair. And it's very simple. You are paying a lot of money. You spend a lot of time working in this to sit down, spend a good chunk of your time coming out. It's a very clear to understand the interpret guidelines and present those to the drivers who want to help, who would like to assist you. George Russell is chomping at the bit to get his pen out. I'm sure he is to start, you know, doting eyes.

Oh, no. Crossing through lines at the end, you'll put it mark it. B, good work, smiley face. But you never know. He might get on board with you, but I just think, get this out the way. I don't want to get into two months into the season and be having another conversation about the inconsistency of stewarding and rules means that we don't know what's going on

every time we have anything soon. So just resolve it. It seems quite simple. Just resolve it. What's following classic tracks on your list, Harry, number four? We're talking about this chappy later on in the show. But Liam Lawson is on my

number four on my list. It's a patient team. Pardon? It's a patient team. Are you sure? Exactly. I think the reasons are obvious for this one. And look, Red Bull have become a lot more patient than they used to be. Look at Sergio Perez. He was there for maybe a year too long.

But for Liam Lawson, it's almost like back to the back to normality for Red Bull in terms of they've now got a driver from their young driver program. Perez maybe had the benefit of the fact that he's, you know, he came from outside the program was viewed as an experienced driver. Liam Lawson does have he has none of that apart from the few races he did last year in and in 23 so it's a big year for him we'll get onto him later on in the show

so I won't go into it too much but he's got he's got a lot to prove not to suggest he's going to start beating for Stappen but I think he's still got a lot to prove in that car because as we already spoken about he was good against Sonoda but he wasn't exactly breathtaking

like, oh my God, this is the next generational talent. So I think you still got a bit to prove it in his first four year in F1, which is wild that's going to be in a rebel. I'm sticking with a driver in fourth place. I wouldn't be shocked if I review have this driver on your list as well. We'll wait and see. I've got Alex Albin in fourth because, and I've just, I've written this down. He's the other Williams driver.

They've got two this year. Yeah, yeah. Oh, right. Very camera shy. Does not like publicity. Camera say, where they weren't put up, pointed in his face. The cameras are shy of him. God, guys, don't point me in that direction.

Yeah, Alex Albin, I genuinely have written down. I didn't need to. Science is better than a Sifian sergeant. It's going to be a tougher test for Albin against the teammate than he's had in previous seasons. And there is, there's a huge risk reward element to Alex. Alex Albon's season, even if the Williams isn't fighting for anything like it has been the last couple of years, because if he can match Carlos Sines or if he can beat Carlos Sines, that's a driver that's done well against Norris and LeCler. That stands Albin in good stead for the rest

of his, you know, Williams career. If Sines comes in and makes it look like some of his, some of Albin's old teammates have made Albin look better than what he actually is, that's a bit of a problem because, hey, Williams might not be competing for anything in 2025. Albin wants to be with the team and in a good spot with the team if and when that team actually delivers something. It will be pretty sucky. If Alex Albin, after being there for a number of years, the team gets good and he's even not there or Carlos Seines is a clear number one.

That would not be great. So I've got Alex Albin at four. Harry, back to you. Number three. Number three on my list I have got the stewards would have been mentioned

I guess the FIA in general but the stewarding the race direction has to change and I know this is a point that we have laboured now probably to death

but until it does change we will continue being annoyed about it I fear I've actually stopped I'm fine now Are you calm? I've reached a limit.

I'm okay. How was the therapy? Let me know how you got there, please. Denial, that's how I got there. Just pretending. That's in Egypt. Oh, come on. Is there a dad in the room?

A baby's just been born from that line. Laughing. Laughing. Yeah, look, it's got to be different. I know they said they were going to look at this, you know, the rules, etiquette, erasing, and the penalties that are given out.

I, as I said last year, wasn't necessarily that mad about having some variety and penalties given out, but not mid-season. This is now the time. You've started doing this, FIA and Ray Stewards. Don't stop again because people were a bit mad about it. Now is the time to use those variety of penalties,

so please do that. Some of the race direction needs to be sorted out immediately. And obviously we've had yet another new race director. Don't think they're right for the job. But we'll see. We'll see what happens. But yeah, they are under pressure again, basically. Sam, what have you got number three?

I'm joining your number four with Alex Albon. For me, I have two drivers on my list. He is the first of these. There's a real risk that Alex Albon, who is built up. up such a loyal and brilliant fan base and positioning in the Formula One world could have it very quickly unraveled if a driver of Carlos Sites' caliber walks in and wipes the floor with Alex Album. I would be shocked if it is that drastic, but he can't go down without a fight. You know, if Alba ends up losing on points to science this season, it's still got to be really close between

them because as you've really mentioned, the teammates that Albaugh has had, Sergeant Latifi, they don't scream out top tier quality. They scream out banter. They scream out great memes on the internet, but they do not scream out Formula One team success. And arguably, that is what keeps the contracts coming.

So for me, he's got to turn up. He's got to show his dominance. He's got to be a team leader. He's going to show the rest of the team. He's the guy that's been with, them. He's who they should be building that team around. He is their future. He's committing his future to them, which was a bulk step. We had that conversation about a year and a half ago now as to him sign that long-term deal. We praised James Vals for keeping him

on board. But he's coming up against his real first challenge, essentially, since he left the Red Bull family, you can argue that back then it was okay that he didn't do as well, that he lost out because one of them was Max Verstappen and again, quite good. So, yeah, Alex album. I expect that Carlos Sykes will be a real challenge once he's fully settled. You just got to hope that for album's sake, it's going to walk over. Third place for me is Christian Horner. It wasn't a great 20-24 season for Christian Horner. If you put aside Max Verstappen winning the Drivers' Championship, which is a team boss is great,

but as a team boss, you would rather it be the other championship, I think. They didn't win the constructors. Obviously, they lost that. They had it the year before. And the Sergio Perez contract, which of course they had to go back on, Sergio Perez had another two years left on that deal when it was broken at the end of December. We've got no idea how costly that was to Red Bull, but I'm going to wager a guest. It was. I'm pretty sure it was costly.

And Christian Horner would have played an integral part in putting that contract together. That's not even mentioning the fact that at least the first half of the season in particular was mired in scandal, personal scandal from his perspective, and also Jonathan Wheatley left and Adrian Newey left. He heads into 2025 and he needs something to go his way. Like whether it's Liam Lawson is actually a really good hire and he is more competitive with Vastappen than we've seen from a previous teammates, whether it's getting the Constructors' Championship back,

whether it's getting a good signing it. lost a couple of names, whether they can get a name in the building. You know, that's the right way around, the opposite of Alpine, do that. Whatever it is, he could do with a win in 25 because there were more losses than wins in 24. We are going to take a quick break on this episode. On the other side, we're going to go through second and first place. It would have been really funny if you said win and we're not telling you. We've taken you through, fifth, fourth and third on our list of most under pressure drivers, team bosses, tracks, organizations that look after F1.

And we've got second and first place still to go. So Sam, who's second on your list? Second is a team. And this team technically doesn't exist in Formula One yet. Why are you laughing at? What do you want for me? Sorry, that was good. It's just a team.

Leave it there. Leave it there. No more details required. You working out. Number one is driver. What is F1 something? Good. Yeah, no, it's Audi.

It's Audi. We've seen that Salba slash steak slash whatever you want to call them, filet mion, are really, are really not very good. But we called it the green toaster or a tractor multiple times last year.

And they showed glimmers of pace a couple of times throughout the season. China was okay for the, the spring and a little bit of qualifying and they fell backwards. And then at the end of the season, we saw, of course, Joe pick up points and Valkshire brought us up to go up to Q3.

Audi cannot let this form carry on. And it's okay if it still takes them the rest of the season to get to grips with everything and to essentially become a functioning Formula One team. But Audi, you need to get this together. You cannot be having this dumpster fire be what you take into these new regulations because we have been building Audi up

as part of Formula One for years now. The hype around this is real. You've recruited big time with the likes of Wheatley now coming in. You've got a new driver line up. You've got to start delivering with the machinery, as well as with the actual resources and infrastructure that you've got. It's okay that this is going to take a bigger time, but get it together, stop faffing around.

Otherwise, this is going to be one of the biggest flops in Formula One. Do you think that with both Audi and Cadillac entering the sport, there is almost a bit of a, I don't know, a fear from both of their sides that if one of them does well and the other doesn't, that's almost their main excuse for not doing well gone, the fact that they're new. But if Cadillac turns up and is actually really good from the off and Audi isn't, they can't really turn around and say, well, we're brand new here. Yes, so are they, but they're doing really well. I see the point you're making, but for me, the risk is far greater on Audi's side of things.

Kagalak wasn't even confirmed to be joining the sport until the last few months. And I know that we had, Agretti, Global, was transitioning to Global Global Global, which transitioned to Kagelak, of course. Transitioned thanks to us. That was never an official name. And I hope they transitioned back to Global Global as well. You know, and we could celebrate them at the Kagaliga Liga Liga Ligginer Wixer. So, Audi are part of a Formula One team at the moment.

I know we've had the news come out that they fully transitioned into their full acquisition of Salba. They have fellow ship stakes now. They will be appearing in Formula One. Kagalaka is still so green to this. They've still got so many things to learn and develop. Of course, they are bringing engines from not their own creation, and that will help them. But there is still so much for them to put together. Yes, the Angretti family did a good job at building some infrastructure,

recruiting some of the team. But they have no on-track experience. They have no practice. understanding of how things are going to work. Audi have been essentially functioning Formula One with like a mask on them for the last year and a half to two years, you know? It's something that they have learned. They've been there in the day to day.

They've got personal running the back to front. Kallak have an excuse if they're not perfect. If they turn up and Kallak finished ninth out of ten cars in season one, oh well, I kind of expect it. If Audi turn up and they finish ninth out of ten cars in season one, I think that's a failure. I think their levels of success and their markers for success

are drastically different. 11, cards. Oh, yeah. That's going to take some time. Yeah, we'll get too confusing and we'll be like, oh, can we just go back to 10? It's too much, I can't do it. Scrap it.

Think of the grid spots in Monaco. God damn it. Number two on your list, Harry. I've gone for Red Bull. And I think this year, if they have a competitive car that is challenging for a World Championship, but Max Verstappen doesn't win it,

they are safe in terms of keeping Max Verstappen. If they have a car, they will not challenge four wins slash a championship, they've got a real, real problem on their hands. We also spoke about in Wednesday's episode, the rumour or possibility of him going off to, to Aston Martin in 2026. Rebel need,

they don't necessarily need a championship winning year. They just need a competitive year at the very least to make sure they keep their star, Star Driver on good terms. We're saying this and they could come out the doors up, the gates flying and be super competitive and maybe even dominant again. They are still Red Bull after all.

But yeah, they're going to need that car to be competitive because otherwise it could be, they could end up with a real problem on the hands because where do they go from there in terms of, if they lose this happen, you know, it may be seen what Liam Lawson's like, but their driver line up starts to look a bit shaky,

but shaky, you know? I'm not nervous, but a bit shaky. So, yeah, second is rebel on my list. Do you think there were a few signs towards the end of 2024 that they were starting to get something back because we had a few races like end of European season like Monza as an example where they were probably the four fastest team. But we did see even Brazil where Vastappan dominated the main race,

the sprint race, which was maybe a bit more, I don't know, you could tell a bit more from it in dry conditions. He was competing with the McLarence in that Grand Prix. He did do very well at Qatar as well. Were there a few races that make you think actually they do have a chance to be competitive early in 25? Yeah, and this is what I'm saying. I don't think it's disaster stations for Red Bull. They are still Red Bull.

They've got, you know, one of the fastest cars on the grid, if not at some points last year, the fastest car on the grid. I think I'm not overly worried. I just think it can quickly go wrong for them because, you know, there are points. There were a point that a couple of races, as you mentioned, like Monza, but those sorts of races were. that rebel just wasn't quick and actually not even capacitive with being at the front. So at the very front, I should say. So, yeah, I think they're just, they're going to be wary of that. But I'm, I wouldn't, I'm not overly concerned because I think they probably will be.

But they're under pressure to make sure they keep that momentum going. I've got, and this one might be slightly controversial. I've got George Russell in second, which coming after a great year, It might be a surprise to see him here, but his contract is up very soon, and he is coming off that great season, but now he has a different role within the team. He is the more experienced guy. He is the de facto team leader with this heavily hyped Kimmy Antonelli coming into that second seat. And he needs to show, Russell this is, he needs to show that actually he's still the future of that team as well as the present, because it could go sideways quite quick. for him. And it doesn't sound right to say that based on how good Russell has been. It's very difficult to outscore Lewis Hamilton in two out of three seasons. Like that's, that's a great achievement.

But if there is potentially interest for Max Verstappen, and I think Toto Wolf is not putting that to bed, and you've got Kimmy Antonelli, who, let's face it, Toto Wolf seems to think is the future of the sport, you could be a bit of an odd man out. You could be in a situation where Mercedes have just had, I don't want to call him the past, but if we're saying past, present, future, we've almost got Hamilton, Vastap and Antonelli. Like, that could be the timeline. And Russell doesn't fit in in that regard.

So it sounds odd, but he does need to impress and needs to show that at least for a few more years, he's the guy to take the team forward. And we now come to the number one on the list. Sam, we know it's not the FIA for a second year in a row. Who is number one on your list? Yeah, driver, second driver on the list, it's got to be Lewis Hamilton. It's the most hyped thing in Formula One.

He has moved to the most successful team in the history of the sport. He's the most successful driver in the history of the sport. This is the big money move. This is the big career move, which sounds ridiculous after saying that Lewis Hamilton went to the Seagis and that was the big career move. But this feels like it's encapsulated everything that is Lewis Hamilton.

his journey, the worst thing that happens is if the car is good, but he flops, he struggles. He needs to be. To be honest, I still think it will be successful if he partly show LeCler and they go into wing A constructors, for example, and LeCleur wings the drivers. If he gets beaten by LeClair, who's at the top of his game and Hamilton arguably has come off his peak, I still don't have an issue with that. That's still a great partnership that's turning to something really positive. but if he gets there

and we're halfway through the season and the car is tip top is really delivering and Lecler is on pole is winning regularly and Hamilton's qualifying fifth, sixth, seventh, and already finishing

fourth, third. The issue is with Hamilton of these current guys of cars not with the fact that he was with Mercedes previously. So there's a lot of questions alongside this hype. He has that raw talent seal to deliver

but can he do it in this current era, these current cars. I think it's going to be interesting to see. Hamilton's essentially done the same thing that he did with Mercedes in that his first year at the team will be one year before the regulations changed. It was 2013 for Mercedes. It will, of course, be 2025 here at Ferrari.

How much does that impact things, knowing that he will at least be there for one more season as we go into that new era of F1? I still, I think it helps him to have an argument if things go wrong, but equally, he did very well in that first season with Mercedes back in 2013. Now, again, I understand the argument that the cars in 2013, 2014, basically from his debut to about 2016 at least, fit him like a glove. He absolutely adored those cars in the way they worked, the lighter, more nimble cars that you could throw around and they suit his driving style down to a T.

And we all know that the older drivers of the current generation do struggle with this current dynamic of car. So whilst it does give him a slight excuse, it doesn't necessarily mean it's the same story that we're about to see unfold. So hopefully this season is a success to a degree at least. And that it does prepare him for 2026 and come 2026 in Ferrari, he feels that he gels with these new regulations. Ferrari do provide a good car and maybe we see something special. Harry, who or what tops your list this year? Snap, crackle and pop. I've gone for Lewis Hamilton.

Honestly, you don't have anything more to add to what Sam has already said there. If he has a year that's competitive and it gets beaten by Declure, then absolutely fine. It's year one at a new team. LeCleur is a top quality world-class driver. Hamilton's been beaten by Russell. That doesn't matter, but he's, you know, still being competitive. If he, if he beats LeClau, boom, if he wins his championship, excellent news all round.

It's if he is nowhere compared to the Clare that I think it will, that I think, oh, someone say questions will be asked because he's Lewis Hamilton for crying out loud. But it will put bigger pressure than, they're not going to get rid of him, but they'll put bigger pressure on 26 because as you said 25 this is almost he's only got one year after these regulations it's giving him sort of the opportunity to bet himself into the team that doesn't mean he can just take it easy but if he has a if he doesn't have a good year here and he has you know performances like some of the ones he had in 2024 not all of them I must add um then it could make 2026 much much more difficult for for Hamilton

So yeah, and as you said, Sam, all the hyper, you know, and coverage of this move, which has been great to see. And, you know, he was on, as we record this, he was on track for the first time today, which is Wednesday. It's been excellent. But the added pressure and expectation around that is a lot. And I don't know he's Lewis Hamilton. And he probably doesn't necessarily feel it.

But the pressure is on for this to work. So I've put Hamilton first. I mean, no doubt, eyes are on here. I think I saw this correctly, that his photo at Marinello was the most liked F1 related photo of all time on Instagram. Sixth, a 5.4 million likes. What the photo was before that one? It was the Shao LeClaire win at Monza, right?

Look what Ferrari can do. Yeah, they currently have first and second, mostly a F1 liked photo on Instagram. Well done, Ferrari. You win something. You won something. You've got a one two somewhere. Yeah, Ferrari, you won somewhere.

Leading me nicely on to number one, Ferrari! Yay! Woo! Yeah, so I'm kind of adjacent to your answers, but I've gone for the team as a whole because if we look at the leading constructors from last season, like the top four, the all won Grand Prix,

we can now say Mercedes, dominated F1 for about seven years and won all the championships that were there for the taking. Pretty good. Red Bull. I mean, they've won the last four driver's titles and two of the last four constructors. Pretty good.

McLaren, defending champions, they won the Constructors' Championship last year. What can Ferrari hang their hat on? Well, we've been runner-up twice in the last three years. Doesn't count. You've got to win something. It's been too long. We are now over a decade and a half since your last championship win. And 2025 should, in theory, present a great opportunity.

to do the winning. Because Hamilton and Leclair, if Hamilton is as good as we think he will be and has been, don't know if you notice, he's won some world titles, that is a great lineup. That is a really great lineup to work with.

And they had a good car for most of last season. There's no guarantee with the new regulations that Ferrari are going to nail it and everyone else won't. I know a lot of people will say, well, you know, we'll get to 2026. That could be Ferrari's era. It could be.

it very easily couldn't be though because the last era wasn't theirs and neither was the one before that or the one before that. So if we're looking at a trend, there's every chance it doesn't work out for them. So it is imperative that they take this opportunity if they have one in 2025,

whether it's a driver's championship, a constructor's championship. At this point, I don't care. Just win something. Anything, please. That isn't our list. Yeah, you won that, to be fair. Well done.

That's our list then. So when we revisit this in the beginning of 2026, we'll be able to say accurately whether Hamilton and Ferrari lived up to what we asked to them. So in theory, Hamilton will be the drivers, champion because Harry put it, Hamilton will win that, and Ferrari will win the constructors.

Maybe, I mean, because Harry said it, but you also said it, so maybe it cancels out, I don't know. Yeah, Friday won the constructors, because Ben said Perez was under pressure last year and he didn't deliver, so Ferrari aren't going to do anything. That's true. The two biggest idiots in Formula One,

me and Harry, about to go head to head in this Goliath match. It's a real battle, battle of wits. Race to the bottom. I think you mean the battle of the Twits. All right, Raald Dahl, that's enough from you. We're going to take a short break.

On the other side, we're talking Hass. Not the Raald Dahl reference. Welcome back, everyone. we just, we definitely haven't just been laughing at Raaldow for two minutes. Let's move on. He doesn't deserve it. No, let's move on. Let's move on to Hass because they have made some significant staff changes ahead of the

2025 F1 season, revamping driver engineers, strategy and sporting operations alongside, of course, bringing in their two new drivers. Team principal, Iocomatsu described it as a huge change. Promoting from within, Laura Mueller will now serve as Ocon's race, engineer and Ronan O'Hare will work with Bearman and both were previously serving as performance engineers. The team has also hired Kareen Kredlich as its first head of race strategy joining from RB and Francesco Nenshi joins as chief race engineer, the role Kamatsu previously held before he had his promotion. And finally, Mark Lowe becomes Hasse's first sporting director.

Kamatsu said, our technical team has been really stable. What's been changed is the trackside team. It's a huge change, but I felt that it was one of the weaker areas last year. The more the car became competitors, that exposed it more. We left too many points on the table. So many times under pressure, we didn't seem to function as well as we should. Sam, your initial thoughts on the changes that Kamatsu is bringing in here. I know we laugh at Al-Pi for not having any employees. Did Haas have a team before making a lot of these hires?

They just had Kamatsi. Kamats is doing everything. He's cooking on the pit wall all. by himself. Literally. They've only got the three-person pit walls, so he probably had like two cardboard cutouts of himself next to him.

He's got a bunsen burner on one side, a microwave on the other, a kettle in the middle. He could do anything with that combination. The man is cook. But this is bizarre, isn't it? The amount of giant positions that were open in this F1 team

that are being filled by brilliant people for years, and almost every other competitor they've gone up against. The fact that Kamatsu's very key role before he held before he got promoted, just open for an entire season. He's, I think it's great amazing

rush to fill the position, but I argue you probably went too far the other way. Did you start looking at any point? Cheez-Dass wouldn't bring anyone in from outside. Come on. I don't know any of these people. He doesn't know about these until now. Kamatsu smuggled them in.

He's dressed them all up as other Kamatsu and hope that he doesn't go away from his corin. No, this is fantastic. It feels like Haas are, almost for the first time finally getting it together a little bit. Sinks Kamatsu took charge of this team.

He has done nothing but positively affect this side. We've had the partnership with Toyota in their technical area. They finally understand the flaws with their car, the tyres functioning as dies should. And they are promoting within which one G-Hast, bloody loves because he recognises all

those people that have been there and he's going, oh, you'll just get more meetings. I like that because I know you. And these people are clearly talented and I've clearly earned their place. Just like Kamatsu is clearly very talented and earn his place. But they're bringing in new talent, which is what we like to see from Hart. It shows commitment to the sport. It shows the drive and the want to succeed and become more.

And I think the future is very, very bright for Kamatsu and for Haas. They've been doing their previous car testing period. They've been running simulation drills. Both drivers have been there. All the new team have been there. And to top it all off, not that I really think it needs a, a huge expression, but a brilliant moment for women in motorsport that we get our first race-side engineer for a driver in Laura Miller.

She seems like she's... Finally. Finally. Finally. You know, that's what I mean. It almost doesn't feel like it should have a shout-out because it should have happened so long ago. But congratulations to her.

She's clearly very talented. And it will be great to see what she could do with that team. And hopefully they will become a real union. It feels like Kamatsu, this is going to sound really cringy. It's trying to build a big of a family. he's clearly watched a lot of Fast and Furious over the winter break and he's chattelling Dom Torreto

and he's building a family and I believe in that article that you've you've been reading from he has a quote where he says we're not just a like a motorsport team anymore we are we're more than that and it does feel like that so I'm really appreciative

of these changes and I think it feels like a really good start to preparing for the 2026 season and the new regulations so get that done now get those people in place. And to really kick on, he's realised a problem, he's gone for a fix. I'm a big fan of that. Right.

So Kamatsu would be Vin Diesel. Yes. Who's the Rock? The Ock? The Ock, yes. Sure. I love that so much. Bearman's ludicrous, right?

Obviously, yes, yeah. It'll be on the moon soon. Another ludicrous show. I just Gene Hasse That's all we got left to decide Ooh who would Jing Hars play He's only in Tokyo Drift

Jordana Brewster Yeah Let's go question of the week Who would Ginghaas play in Fast and Furious Good Nice to see this hasn't gone off the rails Harry your thoughts on On those changes that he's made

Yeah look I This is good to see from from Kumatsu and in Kumatsu we trust or I trust at least I it just feels like because let's not forget he was sort of given this role basically this time last year maybe a little bit sooner but it was January January yeah um so he's only had a year he's only had a year in the in the role you know seeing what however I know he's been in the team for ages but not as team principal he's had he's had his role in the team and when you're doing that

he's probably just been focused on his, you know, that job. Now his team principal is overseeing at all and I think it's sensible that he's given it a year to do,

to witness how everything else is going on and actually observe it properly and then make some informed decisions based on that. Really sensible. Alpine, have a listen up. It's a good idea. So, yeah,

I think these are all really, really great show. out. I'm pleased to see he's identified the weakness in the team. And I think it's a fair shout. I think they're getting there from an engineering point of view. Obviously, they've got tomato. Tomato!

They've got tomato. Oh, no. Toyota. Why would I say tomato? Where did that come from? They probably do to be fair somewhere. Oh, I'm a tired boy. They've got Toyota on board.

So they've got that backing it from an adjum. point of view now it's time to sort of operational side whilst the you know at the race circuit so this is these are all great great additions and i'm enjoying that bearman has an or an engineer called o'hare oh hair oh hair and bear that's excellent oh haremon oh harem and as you say with laura miller that's it's great to see it again almost feels like it how does it not happen sooner but great to see that there is now we now are the first woman race engineer in the sport and long may that continue and, you know, multiply in number.

So yeah, all solid signings from Kumatsu. And again, I trust them. Big thumbs up from me. I like this a lot. Even if like there are some growing pains with these changes, the only way you have growing pains is if you're growing. And that's what actually finally, Has feel like they're doing.

It's a really sustainable model. I know we joke a lot about Gene Hassan not wanting to hire from outside because he doesn't know anyone else. But it is genuinely a good model if you've got, again, both of those race engineers were performance engineers. And they work the way up the ladder. And it will make others want to work there because it's showing that if you, if you put in the time and you do a good job,

you have the potential to work your way up. even if I know one of the race engineers for Fass, Gary Gannon, went to Aston Martin, so one of them might have been slightly enforced, but you've still got the decision to make whether you go external or hire internally. And I think it's the right call here. I just overall, based on what we've seen, as you say, Harry, it's been about a year now, just over a year that Kamatsu's been in this role. I love his approach of just, there's no waffle with what he's saying in a lot of these quotes.

It's just we have an issue, or even if it's not an issue, it's just we can improve at this, here's how we do it. And they get on with it. That's a lot, there's a lot less bluster than you get from a lot of other team principles, and I really appreciate that. I'm not saying there should have been any complacency after 2024, but Kamatsu and has certainly overperformed them what we expected of them at the beginning of the season. I'm not saying that they would have just gone, oh, well, that's our,

one good season in three done. We'll see you in 2028. But these comments really indicate that that's not it. We've still got progress to make up and down this team. And hey, if they were doing as well as they did last year, whilst not having a lot of these positions filled, that screams potential. So good work, Khamatsu.

He identifies, Sam, he identifies trackside performance as a weakness last year. would you agree with that and then also do you think the moves will help with this? I don't know if I do agree with it, if I'm honest with you. Not to the point where I'm like, what you're doing, Kamatsu is because you're silly. I think there were clearly holes. I think there were clearly areas that need to be reassured. And there were some calls across the season that don't make sense.

But I think every team, you know, you wrap them all up, have a similar amount of calls where are some strategies that come into play, they don't get things right. I actually think that whilst their technical division feels sound, they need to spend more time with their new technical partner Toyota. It is the development of their car and the ensuring that upgrades are working. That is the key element here, because now they feel they've given themselves that sound foundation

where they can rely on their team. The positions are filled. The responsibilities can be shared. It's not all sitting on just Kamatsu's shoulders. Now is the time to really start exploiting that level with Toyota. So clearly he thinks that there are some elements that need to be improved. And hey, I'm sure he's right. There's always something that can be improved.

And pick strategy can be called faster. Tire choices can be made better. Reactions to yellow flags, safety cars, wherever that might be, can be improved. But for me, we're asking to make sure they're keeping up with the likes of Ashton Martin, with Williams, who are really prepping for the future with great investments in great places, they can't risk getting left behind now. So make as much of Toyota as you can, use them as much as possible, use that simulator you never even had before essentially right now, get the lapsing, and start making a car that can use all of these people's talents to their

utmost. So that's where I'm at with this. Yeah, I have to admit, I thought they were strategically pretty good last season. And if Kamatsu thinks they can be even better, again, that points, that's a good sign to show that he's not willing to just be complacent with what I thought was a pretty good year in that regard. Yeah, I think there is a real potential. And we know that the better a team gets. So if Hasse wanted to climb up the grid even further, each decision becomes more and more important.

You're not to say that they aren't important already, but the more points that are on offer, the higher the prize money. Everything, the stakes will get higher as you get up the grid. I think it's right to make those moves now if he thinks they're necessary. Harry, what your thoughts on trackside performance? Was it a weakness as he identified? Yeah, I'm with you. I can't really think of any massive particular occasions where they made some really poor calls.

But as you say, I think it's encouraging that he's not ready to settle for mediocrity, I guess, or just being good or being average, which again is a very encouraging. sign. So, again, I'm not, I'm not against this at all. I think it's, as I said, he's clearly viewed it. He's had a year to view it. He's observed it as team principal and thinks there can be more work to be done. So this is only a good thing. And even if this didn't work and say it was actually the wrong call, I wouldn't, I wouldn't even come down hard on it, because I think it's worth, worth doing. why not try and make this change? And if it doesn't work, then you can always go back to how you were doing it.

So I think this is all good, all good stuff. All right. Let's switch gears to Liam Lawson, of course, new Red Bull driver for 2025. He's emphasized that he wasn't trying to set an example with his hard racing during his six round F1 campaign last year. Lawson, I think it's fair to say turn heads in his first two Grand Prix since his 23 debut. He was racing a very frustrated Fernando Alonzo at the circuit of the Americas, and of course, a very notable duel with Sergio Perez in Mexico. Both criticized Lawson's

defensive moves. Alonzo called him an idiot on Team Radio. Perez told media that Lawson needed to be more humble. Lawson was asked about the criticism. He said, I'm not trying to set an example or anything like that. I feel like I'm racing everybody the same way. I'm not racing anybody any different. Is that fair, Sam? It's a tricky one because I don't think he needs to be humble. Peris saying he can be humble.

I think absolutely a pile of rubbish. I think Formula One drivers need to be humble. I think you turn up with the arrogance of yourself that you can deliver. You are a top talent. You're a top athlete. And I think Liam Lawson's got that mentality. I think he's got that mindset. So I also think it's very coincidental that two people he went the hardest against.

One of them is considered one of the best will-to-wheel races of all time, you know, has mass respect from across the globe and across racing and attracts so much attention. Van der Leung-So is a worthy legend of our sport that deserves a lot of praise. And he thought, I'm going to stick it to the man, so to speak. And then the other person who went up against is the bloke who he literally wanted. So by using his phrase humbling Sergio Perez and a car that was much slower battling together, surely you're sending a very clear and direct message to that Red Bull board,

which clearly works because he's now in that seat. He's got exactly what he wanted. Red Bull love a, I don't give an F attitude. I'm coming through. I'm the best man here for the job. it's why Max Verstappen was so brilliant in his early days. It's why he got the call up to Rebel initially when they got rid of Daniel Kiviat as well halfway through the season.

It's an attitude that suits that team. I think Lawson's a smart kid, and I think he's worked out that that is a good way to get involved and loved by that fan base. But I also think you're shrugging it off because it's for the press. You definitely knew that if you were coming up against some of these bigger drivers, you've got to make an impression, and you've got a chance to make yourself known.

think there's others you have done this too as well. I don't just think it specifically these two drivers. But Perez specifically feels like a clear and obvious target, also feels like a bonus to me. How did you see it, Harry? I do, I do feel like he was, he, why not? Because, because he was, he was aiming for a red ballsy,

but I do think he was trying to make a bit of a point last year. I think he, on the whole generally, rookies tend to be more aggressive in their driving. They haven't, they're new to the sport. Just the way it goes. You look at any rookie, even like a Lewis Hamilton, more aggressive now than he is. I'm sorry, more aggressive than he is now.

So I think, yeah, I think he was driving a bit maybe more aggressively than he might do even, even this year. But yeah, I think he was out to make a point. the Alonzo one, because obviously the Alonzo one happened first in the sprint at Cota, then he made the comments. And then I think Liam Lawson was like, well,

if I come across him again, I'm doing it again. And lo and behold, they were next to each other in the race. Perez is the obvious target, isn't it? And once he had him rattled, he sort of almost knew he'd won that battle,

you know, won that war. So I think he was driving a bit, bit more aggressive than maybe he will this year. Rema's to be seen. I could be proven wrong. Maybe that is just the way he races. We'll get onto it.

I suspect if he carries on that way, he may be having a few accidents. Quite possibly. I wanted to take his comments at face value, but one particular thing keeps jumping back to me. And it's not him racing Perez at Mexico or anywhere else, and it's not him racing Alonzo. it's him racing Vastappan at Brazil.

I don't blame him for it, but man jumped out of the way as quickly as he could. And he did not do the same thing to Sergio Perez. Now, again, I completely understand why, because he wasn't trying to take Max Vastappen's place. That would have been a bit bold even for Liam Lawson. He was trying to take Sergio Perez's place. He played it exactly how he should have done.

He came in, he was aggressive, he didn't have that much time to prove himself. He goes on in this quote and says, you know, at six races, that's it. I had to show what I could do. And he did. Like, he didn't hold back in any of his racing, and I think he was right to do so against Perez

and against anyone else. But you can't convince me that he raced for Stappan the same way as everyone else. I saw what happened in Brazil. He did not put up a fight, although I completely understand why. What's his attitude going into 2025, Sam? We don't know if he'll have the pace, obviously, to be on track. battles with Vastappen at all or infrequently or anything like that.

But what is his, what is his mentality? Yeah, I don't expect it to be alongside Vastappan, but there are maybe only two or three drivers, even on their absolute A game that I would expect to be with Vestappen on a race-by-race basis. He needs to be everything and everything for the team, anything and everything he could give. He has to be that same aggressive behavior.

But do that, as he did, be his time at R.B. To every other driver, be the disruptor, be the aggravator, cause people to make mistakes, get in their way, be the blocker. We have said time and time again with Red Bull that they struggle because they can never have two drivers who are operating on a very similar level playing field, which means bringing as many points same as possible. It's why they've lost two of the last four Constructors Championships, because while Max Verstappen is rightfully delivering a sensational performance, unless the car is that dominant that he's able

to run away with it to such an extreme level, you need performances for both. size of the grid. So whilst I don't expect him to outpace McClure or Russell or Norris, he needs to just being irritant to all of those guys, regularly scoring as high as possible by irritating, winding up and messing up the other people's races. Be in the mix. Then I think that would be a good start to his Red Bull career. I think there's a case to say, Harry, that Liam Lawson, if, and is a big if, he was ever in any fights with Max Verstappen on. track. There is a case for him to keep being super aggressive because if he's in a fight with Fostappen at any point, he's doing better than the last three teammates have done, generally

speaking. And Red Bull aren't in a luxurious position of saying, well, actually, you're not playing the team game. We'll get the next guy up because they're running out a guy. I feel like if Liam Lawson can prove he's competitive, that will keep his seat, even if he keeps his aggressiveness. I agree. I do agree. I just, as I already mentioned, if he carries on the way that he has been in those, you know, those races with Perez and Alonso and he takes that approach with Vostappan and not his Brazil approach to Vestappan, they're going to be crashing. They're going to be crashing a lot. Stapel. Yield, right? Yeah, because he famously always does. Yieldy Vastappen. That's what they call him. Because he is the opposite of that. He does not yield.

And generally just puts you in a position of you yield or we're having a crash. And the only times really that that hasn't worked out for him has been with Lewis Hamilton in 2021, a couple of times. I don't even remember it. And then once this year, sorry, in 2024 with Norris, I guess if you look at Austria, And for the rest of the time, everyone yields. And this is what goes back to why I said about Vastappen's approach for the year. Most of the time, drivers tend to yield when Vestappen comes through. He's aggressive anyway, but they don't want to have a crash.

They know, psychologically, they know that he's willing to risk an accident. So if Liam Lawson also has this approach, they go on be crashing. I think that's very fair. let's take our final break on this episode on the other side oh we play an F1 Alpha Betty every time let's close out today's episode with F1

Alphabeti Welcome back every time Excellent way to welcome people back from the break then Thanks Should we get you a t-shirt It just says welcome back on it So you can just wear it on camera I might do that

You've got to say it then Yeah It just cuts out You could have it So the front says welcome, but your back says back. No, I've just realized it'd be a great. Whiteboard edition.

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F1 Alphabeti. So a number of letters in the alphabet that I've got I've actually changed things up a bit because I've got all of the letters of the word Hamilton feels fitting this week. So there are eight questions, eight letters in Hamilton. And you have to pick one of the letters. Each letter responds to a category.

And there's a question. It's very simple. You get it right. You get a point. If you don't get any points. So not only ever go remember which letters have already been used, I've already going to remember how to spell Hamilton. I mean, famously, it's not that tough to spell.

literally just said, Sam. I don't know. Got a wrap, I'll have to write it down so I can cross out bloody letters as we go. I'll have letter Y, please. Can I have number one? Yeah, number one, please. All right, Sam, kick us off.

I'll have L, please. L stands for Louder. Oh, Nicky Louder. Just louder for the purpose of this question. Sean, okay, even though you've got Eng in this question as well. I've already done, which I know is kind of redundant, but yeah.

Who did Louder beat by half a point to win the 1984 Formula One World Championship? Oh, I'm too tiring for questions like this. Who did he beat in the 1984 race? I don't even know. I don't even know. I do know, but I don't know. someone who's quite good at the F1. Was it Prost?

It was Prost. Well done. Just half a point separated. He was also at McLaren that year. Teammates, but just half a point separated them at the end of the year. Loud had taken the win. Harry, back to you.

Go for H, please. Oh, I'm shocked. H is for Hungara Ring. This one's multiple choice. Ooh. who did not retire on the first lap of the 2021 Hungarian Grand Prix If you remember, that was the Bowling Bull Bottas. I do.

Yeah, and strike stroll. Two of these did retire on lap one. One didn't. Landstrol, Shao Lecler, and Kimmy Reikinen. I'm naming the one who didn't. the one who didn't retire. I think it's Reichen.

You are right. It is Reikinen. He actually scored a point in that race, which was a bit of a miracle for Salba that year, or indeed any year. But yeah, it was going to be Reikon. Which means, great start. We're at one all.

It's back to Sam. I believe we've got Amitong left. Amiton. That's what they call him now. He's a Ferrari. Yeah. Luis Amiton. Amiton.

I'll go. with oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.

No. No. No. 50-50. Oh, stands for Olivier Pannis. True or false.

The 1996 Monaco Grand Prix was Panis's only podium in F1. Oh. Oh. That question

sounded all okay for a moment. to this podium. I thought it would be when. Yeah, and I was like, yes! I go to the answer! I'm going to say false.

It is false. Well done. He had five podiums overall, one of which, of course, was the 1996 Monaco Grand Prix, his only win. 2-1, back to you, Harry. A, please.

Oh, we're just left with Mitten. You've picked another multiple choice. A is for Adrian Newey. Okay. How many races has an Adrian Newey designed car won? In F1. Criking.

Is it 117, 154 or 223? Um... The... The second one. 154? Yeah. It is not 154. 223, Adrian.

That's outrageous. Let's something else have a go. Yeah, come on, man. I was trying to think because, actually, McLaren days weren't that good. But Williams, obviously, it was very good. Yeah. They sure have ended up.

223. Pretty mad. Sam, we go back to you, 2-1 in your favour. I will have No We just got MIT End stands for

Night Race In what year was F1's first ever night race Oh, that's one of those facts I should just know We even discussed the night race On the bloody most recent Patreon episode Although we didn't declare a year

2007 Oh, why not That's real That's real unlucky. Is it 08? Yes. Oh, that's the two hours between.

In fairness to you, nothing really happens in that race. 2008? Singapore TP. Nothing. Famous thing. Really boring, is it? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. It's coming back to me now how boring it was, actually. Yeah. Harry, back to you to potentially level up. You've got Mitt left. Not Romney. I'll go for, well, that is a relief.

I'll go for I, please. Ah, just mud. I is India. Don't take out the bounds like fall out of. Oh, boy. I is for India. How many Indian F1 drivers have they been? Two.

There have been two. You're absolutely right, Corinchandog. We've had one of them on the show. Noreen Cartic. Oh, no, sorry. Come on, Noreen. You're on the show. Yeah, Noreen Kofi and Krund Schendok,

which means we are at 2-0. Do you on M-O-T, Sam? I'll have M. M. M-I is for M-Claran. It's another 50-50. Oh, I can't wait a-in. Get it wrong.

He did one in the last one. True. Yeah, true. And if you balance out the 50-50, you'll get this one wrong. Which of these two drivers won for McLaren first? I don't like this question already. Mika Hacchanan or David Culford?

David. You go to go David? Yeah, David. Yeah, he's right, David, yeah. Yes, David. Yeah, Coulthard won the first race of the 1997 season. Hacquenham won the last race of the 1997 season, which, again, I don't think anything happened that race other than Hackenham winning.

famously another really dull race. Isn't it wild? Harry's favorite race of all time, isn't it? Yeah. Mika Hackerman wins his first ever F1 race of the last race of 1997 and then wins the next two world championships. Yes.

That's a weird. Weird, bit of form. Anyway. Jemaine's. Harry, we are back to you. We are, if my scores are correct, at 3-2. Would you like T or T? T, please.

Couple of tea. All right, let me get the kettle on. Which? Okay, tiers for tires. Which of these tires has existed before? Oh, come on. The rubber ones. Ultra hard, super hard, or hyper hard.

Oh, for God's sake. Um, this is ridiculous. I think it's super hard. don't get out of content Are you sure Yes it is If that's about it Oh

My goodness I know I think it was used once Yeah British GP British GP Yeah Does it It's the one that

It's the one that It's the one like that Yeah I thought it was blue And we had conversations About it Because it was the same colour As the wet tire

Oh maybe I think you might be right Yes I think Yeah I think you're right Yeah super hard to

how much means with the another draw they've wasted your time again folks I'm so sorry very sorry but big up that's why I've fun Alphabeti doesn't make

many appearances just leads to drawers well on Alphabet Hamilton's the real winner he's got a new gick game Mittn Mitt Rumner It's a shame

it's a Sunday Mitt Rimner and Sunday Take out all the vowels like for a little boy. Oh, Sam, please get us out of it. Folks, I hope you have enjoyed this Sunday episode that's definitely being recording on a Sunday

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Oh, well, I've done the class. the day. It's a mix of kind of weights and aerobics and stuff like that. So I'll be miserable tomorrow morning. That's going to be great. I was going to say, hope you enjoy. No, I will hate it. To put me out my misery and to help fuel my fitness because I'm trying to get into better

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