The Late Braking F1 Podcast - Who were the Top 10 F1 drivers in 2022?

Episode Date: December 18, 2022

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This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Thank you for listening to the Late Breaking F1 podcast. Make sure to tune in for new episodes every Wednesday and Grand Prix Sunday. Hello and a very warm welcome to the late breaking F1 podcast presented by Harry Ead, Sam Sage and me, Ben Hocking. We've got a lot to discuss on this very random Sunday in December. We're going to be playing F1 higher and lower later on. We're going to be doing a Discord special pump the brakes. We're going to be discussing our top 10 drivers of the season.

All of that's coming up on today's episode. But first of all, you might well have heard us in the past, well, I mean, mainly Sam, say, Yeha, the Dallas Cowboys. Well, good news, Texas. Give it 10 months or so. We will be with you. Isn't that right, Sam?

We're going to be in you. Yeah. If you didn't get that, we're going to be going to the United States Grand Prix. We're going to Cota in about 10 months' time in October. So look forward to seeing some of you there, hopefully. It's all a bit. We've literally only just done this like a few hours ago, but it's pretty epic. I swear to God, if we go there and then there's no one there, I'd be really mad at all of you.

Yeah. There are many, many, many, many, many thousands of you that listen to this show every single weekend. know that over 60% of our audience are US-based and the majority of that is California and Texas. So if not even one of you decides to show up, because we might be doing a live show folks, then going to be livid at all of you and you won't get to say hello or do a Yeha live and I'll be very angry. It's going to be cancelled because of rain. The one day of the year it will rain in Texas. I have to say, we did make this decision and then afterwards one of how to have.

Harry or Sam reminded me that it's actually a sprint race weekend. So I might not go anymore. We're going to have to resuscitate him at the trackside, folks, while it's happening. Never mind. So that's some pretty big news to start the podcast. And I mean, slightly more immediate news than that. Make sure you tune into Wednesday's episode as well, because we've got the LBs coming up as well. Yes. I can't wait for that. But can't wait for this one either. We're going to discuss our top 10 drivers of the season to kick us off. Where do we agree? Where do we disagree. Sam, run us through your list. 10 to 1. Quick reason for each why you got on there.

Okay, do-dokey, 10 to 1. I mean, I think that's probably the right way to do. I feel like that's going to be more controversy at the back end of these lists. It's called to 8, isn't it? It's not 10 to 1. Oh, honestly, he's the worst part of this whole podcast every week. Right, 10th place, big boties, the botas, the best of all time, the moustache man. Folks keenly eyed in the latest Instagram post will know that I've cut my moustache longer than the rest of my beard

to be just like Valtry Bottas because he is a style icon and that's mainly the reason why he's taint from this list but also as much as I think Joe was unlucky in the way that his season planned out Bottas got the job done when it needs to be done the fact that he's what I think taped in the standings this season

he beat cars that are properly fast and then the likes of Ricardo of course not performing he did a great job at moving into that team properly leading that team. And I think for a car that maybe wasn't excelling, great spot. So 10th. I don't think that's too ridiculous. Now we're going to start getting controversial.

Ninth place is Sergio Perez, the man who finished third when his teammate won the title by over seven races worth of points. To me, sorry, you don't get to be in the top five. It was fine, right? It was fine. He won Red Bull, the Constructed Championship with Max, of course. That's what they wanted. But they've still never had a one too.

And if you go back and look at how we've spoken about Mark Weber's performance against Sebastian Vetter in Red Bull's previous time of dominance, it isn't favourable. And I can't say the same from Perez right now either. In eighth place, Alexander Albin, so hard to show off ability and skill in that Williams car. So that's probably why he's actually pretty a little bit lower than maybe some people have put him. But for me, solid, solid season. The points don't do him justice on this one. And I really do think that he is demonstrating the real talent and deservingness to be in the sport.

So at the place, Svang Ockon, missed consistent. He's doing a great job. I think that he could probably have had a better year and we'll see how well he does against Pierre Gassley. But I actually think this is probably being his best season in Formula One so far. Really, really good, strong year from O'Con. And he needs it. He's going to be in the sport for another 312 years.

In sixth place, Lewis Hamilton, despite there being many back and forth, F1, about why maybe he lost to Russell, you know, outside factors that he couldn't control, you know, safety cars coming out of the wrong. him running random setups to help beat the car. The end of the day, he did get beat Russell in his debut year.

And it really wasn't a strong point for Hamilton. He made a few mistakes. He had a few moments. Look at the qualifying, for example, in Jedder was not a good one for him. And sick for Hamilton is a devastating tally. But for everyone else being sick for the year, I think is pretty decent.

So, hey, that's where we're at. Fifth place, Big Fernando, the Gigacad, Alonso. It just beats out Hamilton and Ocon. He beats Ocon, because I think without the DNFs, at the same level of DNF throughout the season. He would have properly beaten Ockong, not by a ridiculously embarrassing number, but I do think he would have been comfortable with the lead driver there,

Alpine. And he's still got it. He shows such clever driving every single time that he's on the track. Just think the guys have a fantastic season. Fourth place, big chocolate Ecclare, Charles LeClair in fourth place. You know, he managed to pick up that second in the season, but I do feel like despite Ferrari holding him back,

there were some mistakes there. You know, Imala and France spring to mind. But I also feel like he's got to lead that team more comfortably. And I hope that big Freddie Vaseline, wicked, wicked jungle is vassive, as Ben would say. And him together are going to lead a brilliant partnership for Ferrari. Hopefully it's a new era for them. We'll see. Third place, big Georgie Russ, beat his teammate seven-time world champion Lewis Hamilton,

got his first victory, got his first sprint wing victory as well. The guy in a cracking season, he was so consistent. Weeking, week out, deserve to be up there. He is beaten by only two drivers, and they are second place, big Lando Norris. I think if you put Lando Norris in a top car this season, if you put him alongside Max Verstappen, there's every chance he challenges Max Verstappen all the way down to the wire. I think in pure talent alone, right now, he might be the only person that in terms of pure,

raw, natural talent rivals Max Verstappen right now. That's bringing the heat. I love that. Good Lord. Sal Beach, bringing the heat, you know how it is. And also the top spot is Maxie de Stap. He was my number one top driver, deservingly so. I think you'd be a bit mad to argue against it

if he's got in your top two at the most. He won that title easily, despite Ben claiming that him and LeCleur went down to the wire every single week. Touch and go. Really touch and go. Big Maxie Verstap, absolutely dominated. And deserves every plauder, every bit of credit.

I don't care what you think about the controversies that have happened. The guy got the job done when it needed to be done. So Maxi Verstap, in it number one. Gentlemen, your comment. Thanks, please. Good stuff. I am always incredibly worried when we do top tens, top fives, anything like this, that we are going to produce identical lists.

And I'm not sure what's coming from Harry's side yet, but myself and Sam disagree on stuff. Neither am I. Genuinely, folks, he's scribbling away. If you asked him to go and tell you what Sam's top ten was, he wouldn't have a clue. He hasn't listened to any of it. He's not listened.

I actually haven't listened. I thought you didn't say Charlotte Claire in there, so I just wanted to keep quiet. He did, yeah. Good. But we have... Oh, that is good. We have disagreements, anyway, some.

Which is good. So I'll run through my 10 because I think this would be a good place for me to insert myself, and definitely not because Harry is still finalizing his list. Please don't do that. I don't want. Okay.

Top 10 drivers are the ones. the season. I'll go through mine, then Harrow go through his and we'll see where would you agree the most. There are two names on Sam's list that don't appear on mine, which if you're good at maths will mean there are two on my list that didn't appear on Sam's. So I will start with a name that did appear on Sam's list, and that is Sergio Perez. He's in 10th for me. So one position lower than Sam, Adam. Definitely better than 21. Excellent first half or third third, I guess, of the season, seven races or so, was fantastic. I think he ended all right as well.

It was the middle patch that really let him down around the summer break. He had some great moments. The Saudi qualifying lap was sensational. That Monaco win, not easy to win around the streets of Monaco, as much as Sam might not want it on the calendar anymore. It's still a difficult race to win. But ultimately, being third in such a good car for the entire year really does mean, as Sam says, top five is difficult.

to do. So I've got him 10th. I should say at this point, actually, I narrowed the list down from 20 to about 15 very easily and then 15 to 12 pretty easily. And then I was stuck on 11. The guy who's missed out for me is Alex Albin. But I know you've got an eighth, Sam. He was within that mix. I just about had him out. Ninth place for me is someone that wasn't on Sam's list. And that is Sebastian Vettel. I think it was his best year since 2019. And certainly he had a really good run of form, particularly towards the end of the year. If you look at Bottas versus Vettel, Bottas accumulated a really large number of points early in the year. And Vettel essentially chipped away at it throughout the entire year.

Not enough ultimately for him to beat Bottas or Aston Martin to beat Bottas and Alfa Romeo. But I think he did a good job. He had a really good run around sort of Singapore, Japan, USA. I think he had three consecutive points scoring finishes. But he didn't be Bottas, so it's hard to put him any higher than that. Eighth Place is another name that doesn't appear on Sam's list, and that's Carlos Sines. I think I understand where you're coming from in terms of him not being there

because he did struggle this year versus Leclair. I think there were a few, and there were enough shining moments in there and enough poor reliability that it's not all on him. He's 11th from my list. Yeah, fair. I mean, that poll at Austin was great. I think his poll at Silverstone was arguably better than his actual race wind was, weirdly enough.

But ultimately, he really struggled in terms of pure pace, especially in the beginning of the year. It's encouraging that by the end of the year, I think it was closer. And that might well lead into 23, who knows, but I've got him eighth here. Seventh, an exact match with Sam. I've got Esteban Ockon. Obviously beat Fernando Alonzo in the points, but I don't think he was the better driver. But that shouldn't do away his performance.

He was really solid all year. And quite under the radar, some of his defending against Hampton. Hamilton at Suzuki was sensational. And generally, he just went about his business and just accumulated points. And he's a really large reason. Al Pied beat McLaren. So I think he deserves seventh place there. And in sixth place, I've got his teammate, Fernando Alonzo.

At times, Alonzo was explosive. I think if you look at his Montreal front row start, that was brilliant. But generally where Ocon doesn't have that last gear, that's where Alonzo steps in. at that sort of weekend. He seems to think he's as good as he was in 2012. I don't quite agree with that, but I think he is performing still at a very high level. Top five.

This is a bit of a disagreement here. So I've got George Russell fifth, so two positions lower than where Sam has him. Similar to the Alpine situation, I do think that Hamilton was marginally better than Russell throughout the year. Certainly the beginning of the year, Russell had the advantage.

And look, he beat Hamilton in his first year in a Mercedes. That is sensational in its own right. So he fully deserves a top five place. His consistency was fantastic. He was after the summer break, though, that's where Hamilton really started to claw it back, to the point where I just about have him lower than Hamilton. And Hamilton is fourth.

So Hamilton, again, tough start to the year, probably too experimental on some setups. made sense why he did it, didn't work out, really poor weekends at the likes of Imala. He didn't make it out of Q1 in Saudi Arabia, but he really got there at the end of the year. To the point where I think he deserved a race win as much as Russell did. Top three, Charles McLaren third, nine pole positions on the year, sensational on Saturday. He was generally the only guy that could take it to Vestappen in the cars that they had. And ultimately, he did make some errors of his own, which is why he's not in the top two.

France is obviously the one that sticks out the most. But overall, raw pace, he could hang with Vastappen when the car was there for him and the team was there for him, perhaps more crucially. Second, Lano Norris, same position as Sam's got. What did he do wrong? I know the McLaren wasn't. Exactly. I mean, the McLaren was not as good as it was in the year before, sadly for him.

But where did he go wrong? He was just in the top seven seemingly all year. So it's hard to put him any lower than second. but it's also impossible to put him first because that is taken up by Max Verstappen. He was sensational all year, of course. I would say that his back-to-back wins, Hungary and Belgium, might be the most impressive back-to-back win

we've had in a number of years. Those two races particularly stand out, but you could have picked another two races and I'm sure they would also be worthy of that honour. That's my 10. Harry hit us with Nick Schumacher

and knit us the teeth off the press I've had to swap these around so much whilst I've been doing this that I may get these wrong than they are in my head but bear with this folks You can look at your notes mate

yeah but that's my point I've written them and then I've thought oh no I don't want to do that and I swapped them around mentally you've got them in the wrong I've swapped around so many times this could be anything folks Russell's going to be 7th 4th and second This is fantastic.

Yeah. I've done Russell already. But it's all good. Right. In 10th place. Again, I wasn't really listening to Ben, so I could be agreeing here. I could not.

I'll let you know. Sebivette. Well, I had him ninth and so I didn't have him at 12. Yeah, I agree. I think he actually had, well, he missed the first two races, let's not forget. So he didn't do them. And yeah, and even though with the like high results

that he got last year, those two podiums, didn't come. I think you're right. I think he had a much better year and probably the best year he's had since 2019. And was just pretty consistent. I think he was actually quite unlucky to not get more points out of this year, especially towards the back end.

There are a few races there where it just got away from him, not through his own doing. The strategy goals, bad luck. Austin, he probably deserves the top five. Yeah. It was immense. Yeah. So, yeah.

well see it's not the last time we'll be in our top tens probably so um yeah sebs in number 10 the number this is where it goes tricky guys in number nine i think let me just check yeah i think carlo signs right uh agree with all the points you made i was actually listening to something stuff agree with all the points you made um um he yeah just didn't quite have the The pace did he. And there was some definite high points from this year, the win being one. But are you right? I think the poll positions he took were, you know, arguably better in terms of the

performance, individual performance from science. So he can take away them. But, you know, the first part of his year when he just kept bidding it was, was tricky to say the least for him. And, you know, we were, we were talking on here about whether this was too much, this driver's too much for car science. And fair enough, he did, he did turn it around. but it still wasn't the cleanest of years for Carlos.

So he is in ninth for me. Then in eighth I've got Esteban Ocone. Again, agree with all the points he made. He did beat Fernando Alonzo, which I'm with you, and you'll see from where Alonzo is in my list. But I think Alonzo was the better driver this year and didn't beat him through Badloke. But that shouldn't be taken away from the fact that O'Conn did beat him.

and he had some stellar races out there this year. Questionable defending at some times, mainly against his own teammate. Now, good. What's in the wall? Well, yeah, like, I really, I think it came up on Twitter, the one in Saudi where he literally does just try to kill Fernando.

Like, just permanent. Murder's not coolest about it. Come on. It's not on trained anymore. You think you're all big. Think you're clever. Go our list of bang. But yeah, a solid year for Ockon,

and he's going to have to roll that into next year when he becomes de facto team leader, I guess, at Alpine. So he's in eighth. Seventh, I've got Sergio Perez. I'm not sure that's higher up than YouTube had him, potentially. Highest. Is the highest, I think. Look, I don't think he's, compared to his teammate, yes.

But his teammate is, at spoiler Maxa Staplan. He's all right of the F1, isn't he? So, and I think Perez has had, I think Perez had a better year than last year. Maybe I'm wrong about this, but I do think he has, the highlights again being

Monaco, the proposition of Saudi, but the highest of highlights has to be Singapore for me. I think I thought he was pretty, pretty bloody good in that race where others fell foul, including his own teammate and other seven-time, not other seven-time World Champ,

there's Hamilton. So, yeah, he's in seventh for me. Sixth is Gigacad, Fernando Alonzo. Don't care what you say, Ben. He is as good as he was in 2012. No, he's out of day off. Of course he isn't. Of course he isn't.

This is, yeah, it's even better. That's why five people are ahead of him, Yeah, sure. It's a car, mate. You can, you know. Anyway, he, definitely a better year than 2021. And I think, as we've already said,

he's had some bad luck this year. Could do without burning bridges everywhere he goes, but it's Fernando Alonso, so he doesn't know the meaning of, you know, destructive bridges. He's pretty certain that London bridges burning down was written about Fernando Alonso,

visiting the UK. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he came one time, Burn the bridge down left. So, yeah, but he's at a stellar. Yeah, as he mentioned, Ben, the front row in the Canada was pretty, pretty epic. He just, I don't know, but something about, I was thinking as well about Silverston, when that car didn't deserve to be up with the likes of Mercedes and Redbourne Ferrari, but when Hamilton and LeCler and Perez were having that ding-dong fight,

just in behind like a little annoying child at a party's like guys I'm still here I'm here I'm here I'm here that's just him he's just there all the time so um yeah good year for him uh in fifth I've got Lewis Hamilton which I think is lower than you guys got him all the same lower than my I've got it fourth you're in the middle we've got four fifth four fifth four fifth six oh it's delightful um look not not a Lewis Hamilton standard of year I think contributing factors, as you mentioned, with set-up, extreme setups and stuff like that. But there were also mistakes from Hamilton and a few more than we were used to seeing from him.

And again, contributing factors, Carl wasn't great. But he did get peat by his teammate. And that doesn't happen very often. Only a few can claim to have done it, Jensen Button, Nico Rosberg. So, Jensen Button did it two out of, you know, I managed to beat him over the course of three years at McClare. and I don't know if you know that. On points. On points.

You add up all the points over the three years, but I'm wondering. Okay, number four, I've got Chichols Le Crickles or Charles LeClaire, as he is otherwise known. Look, he is still God Leclair, but there are a couple moments this year where he wasn't. France springs to mind. He was Moses LeClaire in France. But that doesn't, that's not the whole story as to why he couldn't fight with his championship with Vastappen. As everyone well knows, Ferrari were annoyingly bad this year. So, yeah, I've put him forth.

There was some set of performances in there, but he, you know, still lacks the consistency that Vestappens managed to establish now, which, again, was Vestappen's problem a few years ago. So maybe LeClaire would get there. But a good year for him, much better than last year. But fourth place. Third place, Georgie Russ. I really struggled between this one and second. I think we've got the same top two here,

so spoiler alert. But Georgia Russ for me in second. Damn it. George Russell and me in third. That was the first draft. Good. That was V1, everyone. Yeah, George Russell in third.

You beat your seven-time world champion team. in year one. It's not a bad effort, is it? It's not a bad effort. I don't think it speaks for us. Shut up, Ben. I think it speaks for yourself. There was a, you know, when Ben, he'd be worried at that part of the year when

Russell had a few scrappy races. He had a few scrappy races, which, you know, maybe that's why I can't quite put him in second here, but for the most part, Russell's been. pretty stellar this year. His win in particular, especially within the context of those scrappy races that he'd had, was pretty impressive, especially in those last few laps when he's holding off Hampton, albeit with it, he had a damaged car, Hamilton, but still, still a lot of pressure behind a young Georgie Russ and his small boots. It's a nice reference to the last billionaire podcast there. Right, then B2 and 1.

I wouldn't be too slow about this. Second, Landon Norris, all the way above reasons, was just the best of the rest and clear of literally everyone. I couldn't get near the top block because he wasn't in a top car, but it was absolutely clear of everyone else. And like he said, when did he? The only time I can think of him doing a bad was in Miami. Do you remember he just ran into Pierre Gasly?

But that's it. One out of 23 is not bad. so yeah pretty steady year but then the person who didn't make a mistake all year I think Singapore one way he's he's fun in Hungary

but he's still won that was style I also I also realized you remember in Spain when he just fell off the track into the gravel shop and still won good stuff

Max Verstappen obviously agree with these two on this one for Stappen has well he's at last year, I think I had him in the same place, and maybe you guys did too. But this year he's gone even better. So how could he not be number one driver of the year?

So there you go. Not bad for a list that wasn't a constructed half an hour ago. So does it mean that because we've got three British drivers in the top six for all three of us, that we are British biased? Or are we not British biased? because we've all got the Stappen first. How does that work?

Do you think that means we're a balanced podcast? Shocking. There's no such thing. There's no such thing. We are British biased. Well, this week will be British biased. Next week will be Hamilton Haters. It usually changes by the week.

Well, it's a service we provide. Well done us. There's our list, folks. Let us know what your top 10 is because it'd be interested to see how yours compares to to us three. We've got 12 different names across the three of us in the top 10. So a bit of love for over 50% of the grid there. But interested to hear what you have. Have you got a few drivers higher than we've got them? A few lower. Let us know, of course. We'll be taking a quick break now.

It's layer on, Harry. It's a spoiler. Sorry. Yeah. I'll play a layer. I promise. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be back with some Discord pump the brakes after this. Dave! All right. Here we go. A bit of pump the brakes folks. Every time. Doesn't get old. Lovely.

All right. Pump the brakes! No, stop it. Keep playing. I didn't ask you to play that again. How many times do want to crash? It does get old. It does get old.

You get... This soundboard, honestly, is Christmas soundboard. God's sake. Right. So pump the brakes, usually involves the three of us giving opinions and then the other two

saying whether it's a good opinion or whether you should pump the brakes. And of course, if you pump the brakes, that means Dave Benson Phillips gets paid 50p and gunges you because why on earth wouldn't it mean that? But a bit of a twist on the normal formula for this one. We've got people from our Discord to submit pump the break. So we'll be reviewing other people's opinions and telling them whether we think they're, I mean, they're the fans.

So maybe we should be nicer to them. No. No, we're not going to be. Let's see. Who've we got? Who've we got? Let's start with Chrissy T. Geeseer.

Chrissy T here with his opinion for Pump the Breaks. So my opinion is Ferrari won't win a world championship, constructors or drivers until at least the 2030s. Cheers, boys. It's what, 23 years since their last success, if that's the case? That is a long time. It feels believable. It's really tough to say whether, what F1's going to be like in,

in five years, but I'm going to say he's all right with thinking that. Harry? I believe stupidly, naively, I believe in the scuder rear at some point. So I'll say pump the brakes. Sam's got the deciding vote. Does Chrissy T get gunged? You know what? Dave sat here with his puppy dog eyes looking at me.

He's getting gunged. 50p for Dave. Big Freddy Vass is going to take it home. I turn the volume right down for that and it's still loud as anything. Calm down, Dave. He's not making a squelch. Yeah, he is. That's really hope not.

Right. Well, let's hope that we've got quite a few to get through. Let's hope not everyone's going to get gunged. But Chrissy T kicks us off. You've been gunged. I thought you were right thinking that, but collectively we think Ferrari will win a championship by 2030. Let's go to Card Jam for the next one.

All right. From my pump the brakes, I'm going to go with the same thing I've been saying for the last year. Still haven't been proved wrong. My thing is Lewis Hamilton will never win another race in his career. He's got a lot of things going on, man. He's going to get into some fashion and all stuff. And there's people around there are just too good.

It's not going to happen. He's done. Washed in the bin. No, I'm just kidding. But he's not going to win. Sam? You mad? Very harsh.

Pretty bad. Very wrong is what you are, mate. I mean, I think besides give Lewis Hamilton. even a sniff of a, you know, regular winning car here. And we're not talking, you know, the current year we've just had where on a series of strange events, they got managed to get one successful race. I mean, you know, each race, they're there fighting for it.

Lewis Hamilton has the ability to take a wing. He's going to win again. The saves are more than good enough as a manufacturer. It's going to happen. And you're getting gunged. Yeah, I'm with you on that. Basically, you're looking for two things to be true. you're looking for Lewis Hamilton to not stay around in F1 for a long time

and you're saying Mercedes aren't going to be very good next year. Now, one of those two is maybe true. Maybe Hamilton does give it up after next year. Or maybe Mercedes aren't very good next year. But for both of those to be false, I don't believe that. So I'm saying gunged. Harry, your opinion is, as usual, invalid, but you can off yours. That's ridiculous, yeah. I don't see that happening.

Garjam, you might be right for this year, but we're saying you're wrong for future years, sir. It's a bit quieter. Dave's moved the machine to another room. The squelcher. Why is it so long? I don't know. That's what she said. Wee.

Thank you, Michael Scott. Are you serious? Right. The next one. I don't know who this is, but I can tell you for a fact, it's not Katrina, hey, I knew it was coming. Hello, my late breaking friends.

I thought we were done for the year, but we're back at it again. Now, this is actually coming a really interesting time because I was just thinking about my pump the brakes, and then you were like, oh, Discord submission. So I thought it was kind of perfect. Kevin Magnuson would be a title contender if he was in a title contending car. Discuss.

Harry. You're mad, not Katrina May. You're mad. No. Katrina May might be saying, but not Katrina May. Yeah. So I'm assuming that means. Gunges out for Harry, Sam.

Do you remember when he was in McLaren? Yes. It was a great thing, was he? I mean, it wasn't a title car. No, but it definitely wasn't a successful. year either to push him onto being a title car. If he was that good, he would have declared himself a spot at some point in his career by now. It ain't acting him.

Sorry, not for me. I declare myself a spot. I walk him up to walking and go, I declare myself a spot. Like Michael Scott. Yeah, I declare bankruptcy. I'm really worried. I'm really worried that Dave Benson Phillips is going to make so much money from this episode, you'll never come back.

Sorry, I appreciate your opinion. But no. But no. Oh, lucky we've got the bloody hose out back to creak all these people off. Is anyone going to be able to get through this gunch-free? Vig and Spiker. Hey guys, happy Christmas, Merry Holidays. Oh, thanks, Vigieg.

My controversial opinion for the Pump the Break submission, If Sebastian Vettel had gone to Alpha Romeo instead of Aston Martin, Alpha would have beaten McLaren in the standings this year. Now, before you gunge me, look at the season. I had to have a palphing with the fourth, fifth, fastest car, until Baku. And they didn't even fall away till Silverstone. They could build a good car, but they, for some reason, were missing the ingredient to upgrade it. Aston Martin, on the other hand, got their car really, really wrong.

But by the end of the season, they were the fifth fastest car, and they developed the crap out of it. I think both teams have good engineers. Technical time. Technical time. But I actually think Vettel was that missing ingredient. He gave them tons of feedback. Tons of feedback we're hearing after his retirement on how to upgrade and modify the car. and I don't think that's something like

number two become number one like Bottas, as good as he is or a brand new rookie giver is able to give like a season vet. Fine, now you can gunge me. Yeah, get gungge, mate. I don't believe that. Sorry, I love Sebi vet, but it's not happening.

Sam. It's not even necessary to semi-vette. I just don't think that Alfa Mayer was ever going to get good enough than it was touching that McLaurin across the entire season. Nah, you get gunger, you fall. Well, you're getting gunged regardless of what I say. I don't think it was as mad as I fought it initially sounded.

It was solid reasoning. And I think you're probably not a million miles off being right, but also, yeah, you're getting gunged. Another one, Dave. The gunged sound effect is so far up from these submissions. Here we go. That's your own fault. Yeah, stop complaining, Ben.

Get on with it. Right guy. Hey guys, this is my pump the brakes. I can't wait for all of you to gunge me on this, but I really think F1 would be better off with a race-by-race balance performance, whether that's adding weight or reducing the amount of tires that you use in a session, something to handicap and make the racing a little bit closer. That way for the teams that do find a way to consistently win

are winning based on consistency, which will also put more on the drivers. So anyways, love for it to being gunged. And if you can, join the Patreon. Thanks, guys. Bye. I'm so sorry about my voice. I was just diagnosed with COVID, but I'm doing fine. I promise I'm okay.

Love you guys. Bye. Can't gung your confidence. Sympathy vote. Yeah. Do we do the sympathy vote here? He's so nice about the Patreon. I mean, you know that I'm not for this, but are either of you two?

Not really. Sympathy vote gets you nowhere on this podcast. I'm right, Guy Thank you This segment is more This sound effect I think it is the action More of that

More than us talking Oh boy Let's keep going Oh god, Skyler C Gunger Dunya Dunya

I actually agree with her I'm not going to gunja for that I think it's a good point Just kidding It's all for a bag of bloody shit, sir, man Ben's saying that's wrong, though, just going to the sky anyway.

I'm sure because it's Ben Benetta. Bendetta. Benetta. Oh, man. Live life for Tifi. There we go. Oh, no. I'm constantly talking about how me and Ben Hocking

We're both constantly gawking at Botas. Yeah, he's the star. I'm Galileo. Pussy Alpha in Romeo. And as long as he's an F1, then the hottest driver won't be none other than Botas. Girl, I can't be the guy you need to Valtry. I agree.

What? What's the opinion? He's not getting gaugged. No, he's not getting gauged. He didn't put an opinion in. Foundry Bottas is the most gorgeous man to walk on the planet. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I agree with that.

Oh, God, here we go. The one and only across Lay Big Wet. Play it then. Yeah, it's playing. Oh. Oh, bugglers. Fun the brakes. I don't know whether this is the soundboard

that doesn't like buggers. Play a different one to see. if it'll work again. Or is this album broken halfway through the submission Hey guys, there's my...

There you go, right guy, you get two mentions on this show. This is gay, sorry, sorry, bangers.

Let's do, let's do one last one. Brexit beef. Oh, no. I've got no idea. I have no idea what she's going to

come out with my mess. I'm not the work. Gunter. Christopher Morgan. Hello. God, I've got so much to update you on

I got COVID. Sultry tones. I turned 25. Happy birthday, I got a tattoo. And I'm finally seeing boyfriend beef this weekend. After like six weeks.

Not, oh, my house is cold because you know, constantly living crisis, so I can't afford to put the heating on. Broke beef. Anyway, put the brakes. Every rookie that comes into F1

should get a minimum contract of two years. Okay, bye. Yeah, I mean, we were really excited at the prospect of seeing Mazapin for a second year, weren't we? I think that probably answers for me. No, that's dumb. That's real dumb. Don't people. I need to talk.

So, in conclusion, we gunged everyone apart from the person that didn't really have an opinion. Make better choices. Make better choices. Have fair opinions. Yeah. You know, if you make bad opinions, you're going to get gunged. I'm going to call that segment a rousing success. We're going to take a short break.

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So that's NordvPN.com forward slash LBF1 to take advantage of that discount. Now we get to what is possibly the cringiest moment of the month. And no, it's not me saying that jungle is vassive. It is instead the comments made at the prize-giving gala by Mohammed. Sam's already gone by Mohammed Ben-Suliam, of course, the president of the FI. To set the scene here, folks, if you haven't seen this exchange, Christian Horner is on stage to receive the Constructors Trophy after, of course, Red Bull won this year,

and Ben Suleum is there on stage and jokes that we won't deduct the cup from the cost cap. Let me see, I've got the laughing banter. He did the drum. Oh, yeah. We should stop playing with the soundboard. We really should. A, it's working.

I might as well use it to my advantage horse is here. But then it wasn't just that common. He then goes into the whole Japan incident where Max Verstappen wins the championship, but no one actually knows that he's won the championship. And he says that, well, one thing you said about Japan, you said it was controversial. No, the FIA was blamed for the points, but it was not the FIA which made the rules.

It was the teams who made the rules, and we were interpreting it, or implementing it, I should say. It was a weird exchange, wasn't it, Sam? Honestly, on two different levels. The first level being, it was so cringy and horrible to watch. It was like, you know, at the end of a film,

like a rom-com where, like, the FIA had a big bad guy, and Big Silliam is the face of that entity, he's come on the stage and he's made a fool of himself. It's that bad. It could have been scripted, right? it is that horrible to watch. Christian Hawkins doesn't have what to do with himself. Steve Sunday, Stefan and Americali,

is kind of squeezing Benzillium on the shoulder and whispering in his ear like, please stop, whatever it is you're doing right now. It's not funny. It's not cool, man. Just stop what you're doing. Secondly, moving away from the cringe, the comment that stood out to me the most in this whole,

whatever you could call it, was the comment about the teams making the rules, the FIA just following them, implementing them, whatever it might be. That is not something you want to be emitting. That tells you and the whole audience that you don't have any control, any ability to maintain your teams. The stakeholders have total control over where the sport is going,

what the safety might be doing, what the points might be happening, all the rules that could or could not be broken. The teams have fully created them themselves. That is how much detail you're in theory giving. And I think it massively undermines himself and the FIA, a little comment like that. Maybe I'm looking into it a little bit too deep for the situation that we're seeing it in.

But it was a really dodgy line that you would not expect the head of a serious organisation to come out with in such a public sphere. I think it makes him look a little bit pointless. Like, why is he there? It's just a bizarre, bizarre series of events. It's a little bit embarrassing. Really should take a look at himself

with the mirror and how to conduct himself in a professional environment and take control of your organisation because it's poor. It was really not good. any immediate reaction to this, Harry, apart from just cringing. What are you doing, man?

What's he doing? Stop. We've all had a, you know, we've all been there. We've had a few too many, a few too many shandies. But don't get up the stage to start. Yeah, yeah, fair play.

We've all had a few too many. Yes, yes, oh, yay. You're crossing the streets. Fit, but you know it, on the podcast. Oh, that's what a belt up. Top-class tune, that is. I love the streets, man. Right.

For anyone who doesn't, though, go and YouTube the streets. You're fit, but you know it. Banger of a song. Absolute tune. Oh, so good. Anyway. What was the saying? Yeah.

Why would just, what? Even Christian Horner was just stood there going, what are you doing? Why are you doing that? Stop it. And then a Steve's son at the end like, right, that's enough of that. Oh, no. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Stop talking, oh, no. It's just, it's just, look, he's trying to, he's, imagine the, like, the press officer for the FIA just sat there, like, watching that going, what, what are you, what are you doing? Stop talking. Um, he's trying to do his own, his own, his own, his own, his own PR work live on stage. And it was, it was terrible. because the FIA is taken to Slack this year from various media outlets, one of them being this podcast. And quite fair, well, you know,

quite fairly, I think. And he's trying to do some damage limitation with weird, wacky joke references to bad things that have happened this year. Really? kind of the FIA it's fault, yeah, it's really, it's gone, it's gone well, gone well. The one that, and Sam's

you've already mentioned it, the one about the teams making the rules, like, and we implement them, that's so bad. Even if, I don't know, I can't say it's fully true, I don't think, but what, I don't know what he thought that was going to,

going to solve. What's you going to solve? Because you've got a, you've got a sport now that people think the teams run what's the FAA for in that case? What are you there for? And look, we know there's some elements of truth in the fact that the teams lobby the FIA for certain rules

and that is just shouldn't be the case. You set the framework for a sport and you invite teams to come and playing it or racing it in this case. You shouldn't be the other way around. So I don't know if that was just an admission or not, but whatever it was, it was done with them beefs, pump the brakes, let's be real.

Oh, I mean, this was, this was bad. Bad, bad. Where do you even go with this? Look, the first comment where he's just trying to make a joke about, well, this, you know, we won't deduct the cup from the cost cap. I was fine with that. That's a throwaway comment. I appreciate he's the president, but it's supposed to be a lighthearted.

It's harmless banter. It's just banter. Oh, geez. Richard Keyes it wasn't banter. So, you know, it would. Yeah, I was fine with that standalone comment. That was all right. Everything else he said, though, is just, you're right, it's just stop talking, please.

You're just making it worse. It's not been surprising at this point. It's like, yeah, this is what you get from this. It's a beverage circus, isn't it? It's just all over the place. There is just no accountability whatsoever. It's okay. People and organizations make mistakes.

Not as many mistakes as they make, but people make mistakes. That's all right. The problem is just the lack of accountability. You know the old saying like when you make an error, you put your hands up, right? put my hands up, made an error. They've taken that a step further. They put their hands up and then immediately point at someone else blaming them. That's not how you should do it.

Okay, it's the FIA sport, as both of you have mentioned. And the teams are in the sport run by the FIA. He might be right in what he's saying that the teams led the charge on this rule change, but it's the FIA who sign off on it. If the FIA don't like the rule that the teams have tried to get through, They can go, no. But they didn't, did they? They said, yeah, all right, we'll implement that rule.

And as soon as they do that, as soon as it's in writing, as soon as it is within your jurisdiction, at that point, the blame is as much on you if something goes wrong, because you've signed off on it in your sport. Don't blame it on the teams for coming forward with the suggestion. If you didn't like it, tell them to turn around and think of something else. Okay? and they didn't do that. So as far as I'm aware, and I don't think the issue with the Japan ruling, okay, I think the rule was stupid, but I think the bigger issue was no one knew what was going on.

Now, if it was made perfectly clear, everyone is getting four points today because of this, people want to turn around and said, that's a stupid idea. Why are you doing that? but people would also say, I know what's happening. I know what's going on. I know that if Vestappan wins this race, he will win the championship. And it's not all problems rectified, but it's about half of it. I think people, people don't like stupid rules, but people probably like being in the dark even less.

No one had a clue what was going on, including the teams, including the drivers, anyone watching. And again, we're trying to make the sport as accessible as possible and throwing stupid rules that are implementing. but no one knows what's going on. So you know, own it. That's all I'm saying, own it. You made an error.

Stop trying to blame everyone else. Even if it is a throwaway comment at a gala, it's still being, it's made it everywhere, hasn't it? It's still going to a global audience. So I thought the FIA was going to spare me for a few weeks just to end the year, Christmas spirit and all that, and then they just throw one more in there. I enjoy it.

I love seeing being wound up by it. Yeah. It's actually quite funny because I don't know whether you'd agree with this. I'm generally quite a mellow person. That's such a lie. Outside of things like the FIA, I think I am. But when it comes to the FIA, I just lose it. It's a fair, it's a fair comment. It is. That in Ferrari. Yeah. Those three things. They're like your... Crypto-Noy. Yeah. One of those three is going to kill me. And I don't know which one it is.

I'm surprised it isn't one of us. to. Experience. You know, I know how to deal with you both now. I have to give Harry enough attention so he doesn't do it.

He doesn't do nothing. And I can't give Sam too much attention. Otherwise, he gets encouraged and keeps doing it. So true. Like children. Like a dog. What we're doing now, Ben? That's a great question, Harry.

It's game time. It is game time. We're going to play F1 higher. Or lower. Let's go. Where's where? Come on, soundboard, where are you? I roll a jingle. Let's be having you. What a reference.

F1 higher, is F1 lower. Is sound faster? Is Harry slower? F1 higher. F1 lower. F1. Oh, the last F1 every time. A fun fact about that song.

Being fasting or slower has no impacts on the result of this game at all. Yeah, I mean, I don't think we've ever ordered people by the size of their knees as according to the order, please, amp them. Oh, well, that's yet to come. Yeah, true, might do that at some point. F1, higher or lower. So I've got eight different questions in front of me, all of which have a numeric answer. Harry and Sam will take it in turns to go first and put forward their guess. they're pretty difficult to get spot on, but if they do, they'll get two points.

In the case that they're wrong, which is incredibly likely, not because they're stupid, but because it's really difficult to get them spot on in this game. It's because we're stupid. It isn't. It isn't. The other person will then get the opportunity to say either higher or lower than the other person's wrong guess. If they guess correctly, that something is higher, and it is higher, you get a point. But if they guess wrong, it's the guesser who gets the point. It'll all make sense in a couple of minutes, I promise.

I thought I went into negatives. Have you changed the rules? No, order, order, please. Oh, God. I can't get into negatives here, mate. Well, the only way you'd be able to steal the answer is by going the opposite of the person going higher or lower. That is a really, really fair point,

and I've absolutely made myself look like an even bigger more on than I usually do. You're a fool. We know. Oh, we know. You are nothing. You had a feel. give it to literally anyone else to the end of the season. Oh man, that's so niche.

I'm not going to try with that. Okay, eight questions. Sam, do you want to kick us off? What number do you want? I'll have number one, please, Benjamin. Oh, yeah. I thought if it was Harry went first, he would go number one. But I didn't think you would go number one

because you have probably got the most difficult one of... Oh, I'll kick it out the way early. Lower my suffering. Max Verstappen. He completed quite a few laps in the 2020 Cs. Yeah. How many? How many laps has he done?

In the whole of the 2022 season. Crickey, mate. You can make an educated guess. Yeah, I am. In my brain, I'm calculating generally what it could be here. I'm allowed to use my calculator on my phone. It's a very brief, or I've got to do it mentally. You can use a calculator.

If you want it, mate. Don't be a ass. I'm going to go for. 1,380 laps. Unsurprisingly, for such a high number, it's not correct. Harry, would you like to go higher or lower? I will go higher. The first point goes to Mr. Samuel Sage.

It is lower. I give you a lot of credit. It's a good guess. only about 100 out, 1,271, which I think that's a respectable guess, a very respectable guess. Wait, Sam, what did you say? I said 1 390, 380. Yeah, I thought he said 1,080. Never mind.

He just literally never listens to anything I actually say. For the record, he finished 1,271 laps. There were only 23 laps of the season he didn't complete. so he very nearly did all of them. I know he retired in Australia. That was probably responsible for most of them. Quite good, didn't he? What number would you like, Harry?

Number two, please. Of course. All right. You remember the 2019 German Grand Prix? No. When Mercedes showed up with their custom livery celebrating something or other and Netflix were there following them

and they just had a disaster in the rain. You might remember that Lewis Hamilton had a very slow pit stop that day. How many seconds did Lewis Hamilton stay in the pit lane, not just a pit stop, how many seconds in the pit lane did he spend on that particular stop? I'm assuming the one you know what I mean. 63 seconds.

It's higher than 63? So you're saying it's higher than 63? You're asking it's high than 63. I'm really confused. Oh, sorry. I'm doing this the wrong way around. So your guess is 63. Yeah.

You didn't guess this first. Sam, would you like to go higher or lower than 63? Wow. Feel like I'm playing myself here. I'm going to say lower than 63. I'm really annoyed on this one that I didn't have time to get a sound effect in for this. Because do you know that classic clip? This is, again, pretty British-Neece reference.

Oh, too many of these. It's McDonald's, and it's like, early in the morning, like after a night out McDonald's, and it's packed, and the guy's reading out order numbers? 69! So I guess that makes it higher. Everybody goes, way! Harry gets the point, but literally the only reason I included that question was to have

that, I thought Christmas treat for you, Sam, you'd really like and appreciate that. That's my racing number. I do appreciate it. Of course it is. All right. What number would you like next, Sam? I'll have number eight, please. Number eight.

Yeah. Your favourite, Jack Brabham. Oh, I love him. How old was he when he won his last F1 race? Um, oh, anywhere between zero and 50, I reckon. So, I'm going to go with 30.

It's incorrect. Higher or lower, Harry? Lower. It is not lower. It is higher than 38. So Sam gets the point. He was 44 years old when he won his last race. 1970.

Again, I thought you said first race. I'm having a mayor here, guys. Honestly, listen. Listen to the next one. Sam, if you don't win this, I never win anything. You're playing. against someone who's barely here.

You might as well set me up in a morgue and having to play against the last person that's deceased. Right. I've got this, guys. One number. He'll pick number one now. Sam, what did you pick last? Oh my God,

don't pick one, two or eight. Number four, please. Number four. Okay, specifically Jordan here, rather than any team that's come afterwards. How many seasons did Jordan do in F1? Get my thumbs and fingers out of it. I know this one exactly.

Front out of fingers. When they're named Jordan, still? When they're named Jordan. 15. It's a rare two-pointer. You don't get them often on this game, but Harry's got it spawned. It's even more annoying that he's paying no attention to the whole question.

He's got the one question that we all knew the actual answer to. 15. Oh, no. 91 to 2005, I think it works out as... Yeah, run out of fingers. And I assume with that last question, is it named Jordan because the last year was kind of... There's no E.J.

Without E.J., is there really Jordan? Well, exactly. For the purpose of this quiz, is correct. So 3-2, Harry now leads after getting a double whammy on that one. Sam, back to you, 3, 5, 6 or 7? I'll have 6, please, Ben. Number six. Do you remember the 2022 season?

Not very well. Ah, okay. That's bad news for you on this one. Shut. Carlos Sines. How many points did he finish on in the 2022 season? Now, I actually looked this up earlier when looking at why I didn't think Carlos Sikes should be in my top 10. and it was,

I was surprised at how close he and Lewis Hamilton were, I've got to get a two-pointer here. I've seen this number literally within the last two hours of my evening. Harry, you're right, mate. I was just choking. I'm meeting myself.

I know, just, I can see you, though, making sure you're okay. I'm going to take a punt here. Ben, is it two-four-six? It's very rare that we get a two-pointer on this game. It's very rare. we get a double two-pointer, but we've got one.

Two, four, six is how many points? Carlos Sines finished on in the 2022 season, which means it swings back the other way, four points to three. I'm going to go lower. That's a solid joke that, actually. Well played. Surprisingly good answer from, yeah. It's good, right.

Three, five or seven, what would you like, Harry? Number three, please. All right, number three. Harry, how well do you remember the 2020? two season. I'm sorry back to that. Good. Is that the question?

Yes. How many times did Esteban Ocon score points in 2022? Just to clarify here, he scored once in a sprint race. Unsurprisingly, for me, that doesn't count. I'm only talking about Sunday

races. He scored points. 16 times. It's very rare that we get two double points. You're having a laugh. It's incredibly rare that we get three spots on. Harry, 16 times exactly out of the 22 races. Taking the absolute Mickey.

Harry goes back into the lead at five points to four. There's not a lot of higher or lower guesses here. Folks, they're too good at this first time row. I'm livid. He is proper infuriated. He was infuriated after Elbillard. billionaire. He's infuriated after this episode. Who knows what's coming for the Albies? I'm bloody wrongy pickering. That's what I am.

Five or seven, Sam. Oh, who care? I'll have seven. All right. At the Belgian Grand Prix of 2020 again. Yeah. Oh, right. Okay. Valtry Botas. He recorded his first Q1 elimination in how many races?

Well, I'm getting a two-pointer on this. one. I would be surprised. Yeah. I'm going to go with Amory Seasons. This was he at Mercedes. 5. He was in that 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2020, 2021. So that's 5. So, 100 and 18. Finally, we don't have a two-pointer here. It's not correct. It's very rare. Swear to God.

Do you want to hire or? on that one, Harry. I'll go higher. Harry is correct, saying higher. It's solid logic in terms of how long he's been at Mercedes. The problem is the streak actually lasts even longer than that, back to his Williams days. The last time before Belgium, he got knocked down in Q1, was Monaco, 2015. So, yeah, to go back even further.

So good, isn't he? which means Harry is 6-4 ahead and since you have the last one Harry you can't be beaten so well done but we will do the last one anyway I wrote this one for Sam because it's one of his favourite drivers but this will go to Harry

career podiums not for Jackie Hicks for Eddie Irvine number five please you've already made a stupid joke yeah career podiums for Eddie Irvine how many too many that's not an acceptable answer

no quid podiums he got 10 it's not correct that is savage Sam I don't know I'm going higher

10 podiums that's savage he had 20 he had 26 well there's go too many I'm almost tempted to dock you a point for that

I'm not against that rule. I mean, that's so far out. He did hold me as a baby. It's true. Well done, Harry. It takes a narrow. Narrow 6-5 win, possibly the highest scoring, higher or lower we've ever had.

That was huge. Is F1 higher? Is F1 lower? Is that faster? Is Harry slower? F1 higher. F1, lower. F1.

My morale is certainly lower after that game. Well, what can we possibly do to pick up Sam's morale? We've got the LB's coming on Wednesday, don't we, sir? Oh, you know who that brings out of the cupboard? Can't wait. Clives Pigglesworth is on his way. I mean, if we get you out of this podcast sooner, he might be around the corner.

So if you wouldn't mind finishing us off his, Sam. Folks, thank you so much again. Thanks for supporting us through this winter break. We know it's got pure F1 content, but we hope you're bringing you a few smiles, a couple of laughs and you're enjoying some debates. Do skip with us for the rest of the winter break all the way through to the new season.

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