The Late Braking F1 Podcast - Who would be in your dream F1 team? | Episode 52

Episode Date: June 11, 2020

Who would you pick to be in your dream Formula 1 team? The LB boys discuss their choices, look at the possibility of a race at Mugello in 2020 and talk about whether Williams should have opted for Honda engines...TIMESTAMPS:Dream F1 Team: (01:35)Williams Honda chat: (15:45)Mugello hosting a race in 2020: (24:16)F1: Guess The Year Game: (31:34)Make sure to SUBSCRIBE! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Thank you for listening to the Late Breaking F1 podcast. Make sure to look out for new episodes every Thursday and Grand Prix Sundays. Hello and I'm very warm. Welcome to the Lake Breaking Formula One podcast. That time of the week again, it's Formula One discussion time. We know it means a lot to your lives. We're not stupid.

Sam Sage, Harry Eves, along with me for the ride. Guys, how are you doing this week? Yeah, I'm betting how you said that I mean a lot to someone's life. That's news to me. I figured if I keep saying it, like it will be true eventually. Very kind of you, isn't it? I mean, it's nice that I get a compliment from someone.

Okay, so, oh, and Harry, you're all right, right? Yeah, I'm fine, yeah. Cheers, Ben. Thanks for asking. Yeah, no way, no, wait. Just got to check up on you. Yeah. Tonight we're going to actually be discussing F1 rather than just going back and forward in circles, even though that doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

We're going to be discussing whether we could see another race. In Italy, another circuit has come forward, which we'll be talking about a little bit later on. We're going to be looking at Honda and Williams and whether the two of them should have got together a few years ago. Of course, it didn't end up happening. Was that an error on Williams part? and in the latest instalment of our F1 games, we're going with F1 Guest the Year. It's Sam versus Harry.

It's the rivalry to end all rivalries. That will be at the end of the show. But first of all, we put a tweet out the other day on the old Twitter room. We were asking people to form something of a dream team. For those of you who didn't see the tweet, and thank you so much for everyone who did interact with the tweet. We didn't expect it to be as popular as it was. but you had to form a team of four drivers,

a driver who has won more than one championship, a driver that has won exactly one championship, a driver that's never won a championship, and a driver that's never taken a race win. Got some very interesting results. Not all of them were entirely serious. Reganathan did appear more than once. But Sam, take us through your four and why you've chosen them.

So, I mean, the first one was, a lot of people kind of picked between the same two or three drivers, and I jumped in there with the old Lewis Amaldang, Lewis Hamilton's French brother, if you were all unaware of that. Lewis Hamilton, of course, is a six-time, possibly going on seven-time World Champion. He is the best man we've ever seen on a Saturday, most pole positions of all time. He's broken the record for most races one on the front row.

he has broken the record for most races led, most laps led. He's about to break the record for most races won. You know, the list goes on and on and all. He is going to be the best driver of all time, if not already the best driver of all time, and he doesn't have to play Dursy to get there. So it's good to see all round, really. A great league for the team.

He's got a lot of experience under his belt now. Why not? Why not? Now, the other option was, as Ben said, a one-time world champion. I thought for the ban time might go for Niko Rosberg. and then I said, no, you're kidding yourself. Don't do that. Because you hate him.

I don't have. He's just, he was fitting very well at late breaking. Let's say that, okay? We're all morons, folks. Jakeson B. J.B., the ultimate combo, of course. The stat that Ben always likes to throw out that couldn't be more irrelevant is who got the most points across three seasons, which the amount of factors that play into that that make it irrelevant is ridiculous. He did theoretically score more points of Lewis Hamilton over three seasons. So there you go.

He's also a world champion. He also designed, what he didn't design it. He drove one of the best looking Formula One cards of all time. That's what we are coloured on, effectively. And he's a little round nice guy. He's great in the rain, great tire wear. He'd be a great second driver to Lewis Hamilton, essentially where he belonged for most of his career during that early 2010 period.

The first option is someone that's, won races, but not ever won a title. And this is the funny thing, folks. I can't remember who I put here. I found it. I found it. I can. I lost the list.

I've been looking for the entire time I'm speaking. Jackie X. Jackie X, as Ben described him, when I tweeted this, is probably the man who moved away from the best possibilities the year before they happened. Like, how many times you want to move away from the team that's going to win the title before they just win a title? The man should have won at least,

won in 1970, I think it was, but I mean, probably could have had two or three if he just stuck to himself in the right place. And that, again, makes what a great driver could be. He's reading the race, reading the championship, reading the development, the era. And he wasn't the best of doing that. But on the track, the man was so good. He was such a quick driver, great, overtaking, really historic. He's now got a calling named after him at Spa, which is fantastic.

So, yeah, Jackie Hicks in the bag. And then finally, we stick to our European roots. We stick to a man that everyone knows and loves. It's the man who sits under a tree. Quick Nick, Nick Heigfeld, he's so consistent. He's just, he's probably, I reckon one of the best drivers to have never won a race of all time. The guy is bloody brilliant, never made it into a very top team. I think that shows how close has come so many times to win a race,

to have not won a race when he never drove for a, you know, a top two team during his seasons that he was in full. So Quick Nick enters the room. So my team is Lewis Hamilton, Jensen Button, Jackie Ix and Nick Hydefield. Okay, I mean, Lewis Hamilton obviously a very popular selection from those who did select their four drivers. Jensen Button as well, a very popular pick. I mean, I won't talk about the absolute disrespect that you're giving to Jensen Button because Button was absolutely not a second driver when they were together. They were very evenly matched.

And fun fact for you, Sam. And this really is a fun fact. Did you know that in the three seasons they were teammates, it was Jensen Button who scored more points? Did you know that no other person or fact site in the world adds up season points to determining who's a winger? In no other sport either. It's not a thing that people do.

The form is not exactly the same. You don't add up points to see he wins. Is that what you're saying? No, I mean, like, you don't add up season to season. So you wouldn't look at Man United in football and go, yeah, Man City may have won the league, but Manning-Inty over the last 10 years scored 800 points more than them.

That's not how sport works. I mean, that is something you would look at, because 800 points is a lot. That is a lot points. I've created an over-exaggeration there, but I think my points down. And, I mean, Jackie Ix was not, I don't actually remember seeing Jackie X mentioned by anyone else,

which I was surprised that because that is a good selection. And obviously, quick Nick. I love quick Nick. Harry, do you agree with any of those? Who are your four? Well, I don't necessarily disagree with what Sam's picks. All very good drivers, but they're not the four I've gone for. So my number one, so my multiple world champ is Michael Schumacher,

because fanboy over here is going to pick Michael Schemecker and Cros 7 World Championships. Then my pick for number two, which is the one-time world champion, is one for Mario Andretti, not Michael, obviously. Because I feel like not that Mario is underrated, but it doesn't get enough respect as the American. He was a bloody good driver.

And then he had a very successful career in Indy and Dilipis, sports car racing, or Le Mans as well. a very worthy person to have on my team. Third is Ronnie Peterson for the non-championship winning driver. A driver that probably should have won a championship had his life not being cut short sadly. And then my fourth choice,

I'm bringing it off my list. I've put Ricardo Rosset, but that's not actually who I'm going to go for as much like I love goat Rosset. No, a sensible choice is Martin Brundel. It's not sensible at all. That is sensible. raced against and won against

Erton Senna back in the day and I'm not saying he was as good as as Airton Senna but he definitely deserved some better cars in his F1 career the best one he had was the 92 Benetton and he held his own against Schumacher for most of that season I know Schumacher got a win

but I don't think Brundle deserved to be kicked out at the end of that year either so yeah Marty a solid peddler very good commentator so he could probably do two jobs at once actually he could be in my team racing and commentating. And that's a win-win. Wow.

You've really got a one-up on us there. Sounds got J.B. He commentates a bit. Yeah, I'm just looking through my... And unfortunately, well, I don't think I've got any commentators on my team, so I'm going to be a bit of a disadvantage. You've lost out on the commentators, race, think. I mean, I created the question and I've lost.

How have I done this? I mean, that happens. a lot, to be honest. It does. Syke, I haven't lost this is the best team. You've heard two solid teams, you know, they're all right, but this is the real team. I'm going to start, obviously, by agreeing with one of you.

Michael Schumacher, yeah. I've gone for him as the multiple time world champion, very simply, because he's the best driver of all time. Could expand on that. Ironically, the wrong answer? No, absolutely the correct answer. Michael Schumacher is the greatest driver at all time.

I mean, let's get fingers out a second. Let's count up the championships. One, two, three, four, five, six. You know what? I think he's won more than anyone else because he's the greatest of all time. Well, let's see how many drivers he's taken off to try and win a championship. Oh, that's more than anyone else in terms of Hamilton versus Schumacher. So not the greatest of all time.

I think the Cheseris and Maldonado might have something to say about that. But I think he's the most complete driver of all time. I would agree that he is not as good as Lewis Hamilton in qualifying. Then again, I wouldn't say Lewis Hamilton is the greatest qualifier of all time either. So I would say he is a great mixture of speed. Yonah, intelligence. Of course, he's Yon. Correct.

And he's just relentless. Yes, that took him over the limit sometimes. Yes, that put him in some, you know, he took out other drivers, which it's unsportsman-like, but I'm sitting here with my championship, so to be honest, I just don't care. And we've seen that he can pull up a bad car as well. That 96 car that he drove was not very good.

He produced some wonderful results in it. And, yeah, I think he is the best driver of all time. Makes sense that I've got him in this spot. The one-time world champion I've gone for here is Yocan Rint. and I was really surprised that this name didn't come up very often because he won the title in 1970, of course, the only posthumous world champion of all time would likely have won more in that Lotus outfit.

The Lotus was definitely good enough. Why, it did win in 1972 with Emerson Fitzpaldi. Probably could have won in 73. Both Peterson and Fitzpaldi went close that year, depending on how long he stayed at the team as well, Lotus did have a bit of a slump, but they did come back to life. Obviously, Andretti winning the championship, as you've already said, Harry.

If Rint was there, maybe that happens because he did die at 28 years old. He still had plenty of years left in him. That 1970 season, Jackie X was very unlucky not to win the championship, but the fact is Yolkin Rint won it without competing in the last four races. He was amazing that year. 1968, he beat Jack Brabham at his own team, which is saying something. that's a three-time world champion there. He beat Graham Hill in 1969 at the same team.

Graham Hill at two-time world champion. I think Rinn was a wonderful driver. He finished third in just his second full season in F-1-2. So Rint is my one-time champion. Sterling Moss is the best driver that's never won a world championship. Not to say, Ix and Piedsen would have been my second choice to be fair, but Ix is a good choice as well. but for me it has to be Moss.

He was second place four times in a row. And then after he had that streak of four second places, he finished his third place, three more years in a row. So literally seven consecutive years, he was not outside the top three. If one Manuel Fangio didn't exist, Moss would be a multiple-time world champion. And one of those championship losses to Mike Corthorne in 1958,

he actually in a true act of sportsmanship and I guess I'm kind of neutralising Schumacher in this respect is that he managed to he advocated for Hawthor not being disqualified from a race where if that disqualification stood Moss would have won the championship and Moss advocated for it which is just a sportsmanly

thing that we might not see nowadays and I mean to compliment Moss, Rint and Schumannes who are already the greatest trio in F1 history, maybe. Chris Aman. I mean, he is the greatest driver never to have won a race, and it's not even close. So Martin Brundel, great driver, no disrespect to him. Quick Nick Hydefeld, you have a very special place in my heart, but it isn't you either, sir.

It is Chris Aeman. 11 podiums in his F1 career in the 60s and 70s. He won eight non-championship Grand Prix, which is. It seems crazy that he won eight of those and he didn't win any Formula One races that counted towards the championship. One in Daytona, won the 24 hour of Le Mans. And it's just so many different seasons where he could have had at least one win. He had world championship material rather than just the potential to win a race.

1968, probably the unluckiest of the lot. He was at Ferrari at the time. He was on the front row at pretty much every race that season. and led most of the races before for one reason or another coming unstuck. And just to pick out another race, and there are so many that I could do with this. 1972, the French Grand Prix that was held at Clemon-Faron, a race where the track was breaking up so badly that Stones were flying all over the place, ended up ending Helmut Marco's F1 career, which is a very short F1 career.

and Chris Aymann was leading that from pole position. Definitely should have won the race. And then he got a puncture with not many laps to go. So that's just one example. There's many to choose from. Chris Aman is the greatest driver. Never to have won a race. And I mean, I'm just going to check here.

Yes, that does actually complete the winning team. Well, we can all agree to disagree on who the winning team was, folks, because honestly, I'm having enough for talking about Chris Aman for one night. You guys think that's been a two-minute conversation. We've tried doing that six times, it feels like. So let's move on, because Chris Aman's doing my heading. Let's talk about something else, Benjamin. Is it something a little more modern?

Just a little bit more modern. We're going to be looking at Chris Aman. And exactly whether he will win the 2020 effort. Sorry. Yes. We are going to go a little bit more modern. Well, a team that was competing at that time, but we're looking at Williams on harder times at the moment.

Of course, they've really struggled the last few years. We're looking at the Red Bull Honda partnership and how that's coming along nicely, potentially a chance that Williams could have gone down that route. Sam, do you think that Williams Honda would have worked out? Do you think that this was a correct decision for them not to go down that path? Look, nostalgia is an absolutely beautiful thing.

It brings back a lot of memories and a lot of happy, happy faces. and there's a lot of F1 fans out there who love the idea of a Williams Honda partnership for nostalgic reasons. You know, they were incredibly successful. They had some great liveries. They had some fantastic drivers for them. You know, it's one of their most successful periods of their history was that pairing. But do I think it would be successful now? Not a chance in heaven on earth do I think that Honda and Williams are getting out would have been a good idea.

They're with Mercedes. They've been with Mercedes for a long time. And the same is by far had been the most reliable engine and the best engine for the entire hybrid. era, you'd be a fool to get rid of such a team. When Honda came in and they were nowhere, you know, they came in with McClara and it was a wonderful moment. That was nostalgic. And they were awful. We've all heard the comments of Fernando alongside, you know, GP2 engines, very embarrassing, all those incredible moments over the radio were all about Honda and they were about Honda for a reason. Could you imagine Williams, you've got the worst drag set up,

you've got the worst aerodynamic setup? They haven't had the best driver partnerships for quite some time. You know, they've only had one semi-good driver here and there, and they won all right driver here and there, but nothing groundbreaking, maybe until Russell's come along, and they had Bossass, of course, who was relatively good. But, do you think having a Honda engine in that car is really going to make it any better? They're already at the back of the grid. A Honda engine that was unreliable, it was failing race after race,

it was struggling constant, it's only become decent to match Ferrari and Mercedes to a degree at some races over the last 12 months, would have been a horror show for Williams. fallen apart. They have lost so much, I think, so much more than they all have to have Mercedes. At least they don't have to worry about the engine in that absolute cardboard box of an F1 car that they drive around. So, no, if Claire or Williams had chosen Honda and Mercedes, it would be absolute hellfire ringing down on that team. I'm so glad that they're with

Mercedes and didn't go to Honda. Big fish, little fish, the Williams car of 2019, as the old, as the old run goes. Harry, what do you think? Do you think this could have been an opportunity for Williams to try something different, take a risk? Hindsight is a wonderful thing. And if you look at the performance of Honda last year,

then you would say they should have done it. But as Sam has pointed out, it would just been stupid, or would have seemed like a stupid move at the time. Yeah, I don't think Williams' solution, lies in their engine. And I do think Honda would bring more than just an engine. They've suddenly got a lot of money in their back pocket.

They could help put into Williams. But the problem with Williams is structural. They need to change up the sort of team they are. And I think they should have gone down the route of being the Mercedes B team that Racing Point have now done. So, yeah, the nostalgia would have been big. You know, it would have generated a bit of positive press for them for a bit, but it was never going to, that would never have solved their issues.

And even if the Honda does eventually turn out to be the better engine over the Mercedes, it still won't make, still make the cargo faster around the corner, will it? So, yeah, it was never going to be their solution. And even if it was helpful, they couldn't have seen, foreseen what Honda were going to do in the future. Yeah, I mean, it really wasn't looking very good earlier on for Honda. Obviously, times are looking up for the team now, and Red Bull are taking advantage of that. But you can't blame Williams for not wanting to go down that route.

And it's so easy to bash Williams. We try to keep it to a minimum because we do like the team. We understand the heritage they've had in F1, and we do respect the hardworking men and women at the team. But it's not going well for them. And this would have been just such a difficult pitch. You know, where Williams, literally everything is going wrong. The wheels, they're made of cheese.

They are actually made of cheese. Which kind of cheese? Fact. Funny you should say that. It's actually William's own. Right, like, like, Adderon or... Yes, nice, okay. I thought it was Mascopony, because they can't, for the life,

did find any horsepower in that car? Would it not be Williamsleydale? Ooh, William, I'd have a bit of Williamsleydale. I would. You know what I mean, though. Times are tough. The side pods are more like side pods. I'm waiting for the symbol, please.

There you go. Thank you very much. Paddy Lowe is a temporary chef there now, I've heard. Is he? He is. He's serving them all turkey twizzlers. It's true. Sorry, there is a point in all this. The one good thing about Williams over the last few years

has been how reliable their power unit has been. And how essentially it's the only thing that's not wrong with the team. they finish pretty much every Grand Prix. And it would have been such a tough pitch for Claire Williams. Can you imagine Claire Williams? Poor Claire Williams going, well, everything's going wrong. We've got this one thing that's going right. I think we should probably change that one thing.

It would have been very difficult to convince shareholders that that was the right way to go. So really don't blame the team for not going with it. Would it have worked out potentially? You know, like you say, Harry, the money that Honda could have invested could very well have been beneficial. Whilst they do have the Merck Power units, is not as if they are the number two, or de facto number two team for them.

So yeah, it could have worked as a long-term plan. I don't think they'd be in a better position right now. Would they be in a better position in five years' time or three years' time? Maybe, who's to say? And to put this on Red Bull as well, because a lot of people, you know, are giving Red Bull praise about going in the direction of Honda. that they didn't really have much of a choice, let's be fair.

They could either stick with Renault and the awful relationship they had those two together, or they could go for something different. So I think they were out of choice. They went towards the Honda Power Unit. Williams did have that choice. They could stick with what was at the time and still could be today, the best power unit, or go for one that's really struggled at McLaren. So don't blame them for not going down that route.

Good. Good, solid stuff. Let's know in the comments on Twitter or Instagram. At L. Breaking. What do you think about the Honda Williams decision? Yeah. And as an extension to that, let us know, if they weren't going to change that,

is there anything else that they should have done? Is there something they should do now? Please let us know your thoughts. Well, I mean, yes. That might be a bit of a broad answer, though. Buy Mercedes. Yeah, please change the car. The cardboard box, as it's commonly known as of about five minutes ago.

Yeah. Moving on to a bit of F1 news, and we've got the first eight races of the calendar all confirmed, but there could be another race in Italy at Mugelo. Did you like that? Did you appreciate it? I love your Italian voice. Wow. The sarcasm really is dripping through.

It's actually Mugel, because it's a double L, and they don't pronounce double L. Very, yes, very good, very good. Basically, is it going to happen? Should it happen? Sam, what do you think? No, it shouldn't happen. End of conversation. Honestly, no, it shouldn't happen.

It's a silly thing to do. It's got one good straight to it. It's a track that realistically, it doesn't work as a Formula One track. I know who said that about a few circuits, but it's incredibly processional for the reason that it has so many mid-speed corners. It generates so much dirty air. It's not that wide, so overtaking really. realistically isn't really going to happen. Running side by side is not that optional.

They're also going to have it in summertime in Italy, which is very sunny. There's no even real weather predicaments going on there. Moto GP currently race there and it can destroy the track, as is proven. You know, it causes a lot more marbles, a lot of issues. It kind of causes bumps and stuff on the road. It means the bikes start their random property, so they have to relay it. It's a lot more money that it's going to cost them. Honestly, it's a really, really dull circuit to have Formula One. It's a great track for other parts of racing, for other categories, but for Formula One, it just won't work. When we've got the current regulations that we've got, you won't be able to overtake anyone. Ferrari, they're only good at going in a straight line half the time.

So, when it's going to be there, one thousandth race being held in Italy, you think, what track should we have at in Italy that will help us? The one that's got lots of straight lines that we've always done relatively well at, and won last year, or a track that we haven't been to for God knows how long, and it's got lots of big speed corners that Red Bull and Mercedes theoretically will do a lot better at than us at. Oh, go, let's do it at that one. It makes no sense. It shouldn't be brought back.

It's a good track for other reasons. GT3 cars, they go around there on a regular basis, and they struggle to make overtakes happen. What do you see an F1 car doing around there? It's great to have a new track on, but let's put a little bit of thought into how it might actually create some interesting racing. I just don't think it will, and that's what worries me about the likes of Zandvort. They're very similar.

People are already complaining. example, why not create anything interesting? I hope it's going to be different, but I doubt it. So no, I don't think we should have Mugéya on the circuit. On the Canada. I really do think that just hold off, try and go to Mungza, if possible, and grab some quality slip streaming, please. I mean, just to say on the point of it wouldn't make any sense for Ferrari,

it's Ferrari, so in terms of their strategy, it makes complete sense. Everything is in opposite world. I'm thinking what they need, and there is an Italian theme to this, is in Mario car when the lightning bolt minimises everyone, that's what they need to do, and then there won't be an issue of the cars being too big for the circuit. I think for a one race only, that should happen. Not sure about the logistics.

Good idea, then. Love it. Love it. Thank you very much. Harry, what do you think about this one? Do you think that they should give it a go and try a race there? For the unusualness factor, which this year has had a lot, lot of, to be honest. Yeah, I'm kind of all for it.

It'll be nice to see an F1 race around a different circuit that we wouldn't necessarily normally have. But I am totally with Sam on the, it's not going to be a very exciting race point because I really don't think it will be. I saw an onboard lap of Mugeo, as you say, or Mug Yellow. And in an F1 car, and it just doesn't seem to be.

a point where I can see them overtaking. They're all very long, flowing corners, which will be fantastic to watch them go around in quality. But I don't think very exciting for a race. You might get a move done into turn one. So yeah, will it happen? I think it's looking increasingly likely. And because it's going to be Ferrari's 1,000th race, I think in a year of disappointment and tragedy, they're going to want to have some feel-good story about Ferrari having their 1,000th race in Italy. And they've already got Monza, which is a bit too early. So, yeah, I can definitely see it happening.

I don't know how exciting it would be. Maybe it'll rain. Who knows? That might make it good. But I don't have high hopes. Yeah, I completely understand the doubts that you've got that this wouldn't be a great race. Just looking at what the track is,

in terms of the corners and how it works. I completely understand why the smart money is on it being a bit of a professional, professional, processional affair. It is a cool circuit. I really do like it as a circuit. And I said last week on the podcast, we were talking about reverse grids. And I said then that I think 2020 is the right time to experiment with things.

In 2020 is the right time. to give it a go. The calendar's already severely messed up. We don't know how many races there will be at the end of the day. So yeah, if there's anything you want to try, try it in 2020. So I've got no problem with them giving this a go. It is a tough circuit for GD3 cars. I think F1 cars might make mincemeat out of it, which would be a shame. And it seems to happen with a lot of circuits. it wouldn't just be this one. You know, when you see LeClaire doing 1.30R, left-handed, with one hand off the steering wheel,

it's kind of a bit of a, when you've seen drivers of the past have to expend all their energy to get through that corner. So I think, even though it is a difficult circuit for some cars, I think the F1 cars would probably make it look quite easy. But, I mean, we're looking at maybe two races in Sochi. let's just give it a go. I've got, why not?

Let's try it. If it's no good, which I, again, would say that there's a good chance that will happen. We don't have to go back there again. So that's the worst that can happen. We get a bit of a bad race. But in a year where we're not getting a lot of racing as it is, where we want to pack as much racing as possible into the second half of the calendar, let's go for it.

Why not? You make a valid point If it's that Mugeo or Mugello against two races in Sosci then let's just go to Mugeot Like, oh my God I don't want to go to Sotchi twice

But think of the elevation changes at Sotchi I mean At least we're sitting over take half of it Sotchi Yeah this is true But I mean We haven't had a race at Muello though So I don't think we can Yeah

We can accurate Yeah. But I do agree with what you say. And what you said on Zambor as well, Sam, that's still a concern for whenever that comes up back on the F1 calendar. Yeah, that looks like it's going to be a tricky one to deal with as well. Moving on to our final segment of the evening or afternoon or morning or wherever you might be listening to. We're going to play F1 guess the year. Sam and Harry, I know you are absolutely psyched. Guess the year!

F1 guess the year! Guess the year! I think you smashed that. I don't understand. We started with F1 back and forth, and somehow we've got worse. Yeah. I mean, F1 back and forth is still my favourite.

It's the OG. Yeah. Of F1 games. So yeah, we're going to play F1 guess the year. So what's going to happen is I will say an event in Formula One history. Sam and Harry will both put forward their guesses as to what year it happened. You'll get one point if you are the closest. And you'll get two points if you get it bang on.

Okay. But fairly simple game overall. Understood. Okay. I love it. And I mean, if you have got no idea whatsoever and you have the luck of going second on that round, you can just copy whatever your opponent's got.

This game has flaws. That's just like breaking all over. Wow, exactly. And please do play along at home. Have a guess what year these things happen and see if you can beat Sam and Harry. It shouldn't be too difficult. I'm joking, of course. I'm joking of course.

All right. The first one, Can you tell me what year did David Coulthard win his last Grand Prix? I'll give you a few seconds to mull it over. Who asked to answer first? Are we taking in turns? So, yeah, Harry, you can answer this one first, please. Okay. I believe it was 2003. Okay.

And Sam, Are you close to that? Are you exactly the same year as that? Pretty certain. It's Australia 2003. Good eye. Yes. Absolutely spot on.

Australia 2003. So that's two points each for you both. It's a rare fact. I actually complete me no. You can never forget Nisi. Yeah, never. The biggest challenger to Schumacher there ever was. Exactly.

Harry. I'll lend you a dictionary to find out what the word exactly means because it really wasn't used appropriately then. Anyway, second one. Bridgestone exit F1 at the end of this season. Okay. All right. And Sam, if you can go first on this one. Now, it's later than I always think it is.

I'm going to say 2010 I too I'm going to say 2010 It's a strong start from you both The end of 2010 is right Oh yeah boy Now I've got to make sure

My pronunciation is correct on this one As I apparently have a tendency to extend my A's You can probably guess both of you What this one is going to be about Jack Brabham Nice Sorry

Jack Brabham Retires from F1 At the end of this season Oh bloody hell I started you off nice and easy Now I'm going to get a bit of difficult I have no idea 1968

And Sam what have you got Oh You know that Michael Scott face Where he's got the teeth over his bottom lip And it's like Oh That's the face I pulled

the moment you finish that sentence. I think it's a bit later than 68. I think he did one season in the 70s, so I'm going to say 71. Sam, you get one point. He retired at the end of 1970. So he did do one season in F1, but yes, one point for you, Sam. I'll tell you that. That was a bit of a pun.

Both close. All right, Sam, next question. Yeah. Albert Park hosted its first F1 Grand Prix in which year? Okay, so we used to have Adelaide. 1876.

Yeah, I was thinking early 1800s, actually. That's a pun. I'm going to go, I'm going to go 96. And Harry, what have you got? It's the Martin Brundel backflip contest. It's 1922. Exactly. Two points for you both. 1996 is right.

Close thing so far. Halfway mark. Sam, you're up seven points to six. Oh, this is a first. And Harry, go to you for this one. Jim Clark won his first race in which year? Oh, bloody hell. Nineteenth, four.

And Sam? I have no idea, so I'm simply just going to undercut Harry by one year, 1963. Lovely. Well, the following stat should probably tell you who's won this one. Jim Clark won the championship in 1963. And, yeah, so that should tell you. It was actually 1962. So the strategy has won it.

Yes, yeah. No, it was a good strategy there to go one under. All right, Sam. Question number six. Yeah. Tyrell exited F1 at the end of which season? Uh. Harry's singing the theme should be not helping.

I should put it underneath. It's so distracting. A guest to do it? They were there in the 90s. I got the other 90s. I think Harry's going to absolutely smash this. I'm going to say 97. Harry, what have you got?

I think it's 1998. You think correctly, sir. Damn it. Damn it. It is 1998. So, levels it up at eight each. Good old, yeah, good old Takagi. What a guy.

I'm falling it. Well, two more. questions to go. It's A-Tol. Harry, on this one. Fernando Alonzo won his home race for the first time in this year. Uh, um, 2006. And Sam. I was also going to say 2006. Well, the first year he won the championship, 2005. He didn't win his home Grand Prix, which means 2006 is right. Well, good. Thank you. It comes down to the wire.

Great reveal. It does come down to the wire. It's ten all. Also, Ben, love that baiting switch there. Oh, you had to bring one out for at least, you know, eight questions. I've got to do it on one of them. Sam, deciding question. Yeah.

Alam Prost debuted an F1 in this year. Oh, I knew it would be a Pross question. You bloody love him. yeah Ben your Prost lover oh okay I know he won in 81

I know he got a win in 81 because how many seasons was he there before that I'm gonna say he did one season before 81 I'm gonna say he debuted in 1980 I see. I...

And... Harry. I don't know this one. So I'll do a Sam tactic of undercutting and say 79. It's a great tactic. Oh. Well, Harry, you've gone for the undercut here. But sometimes the overcut is worth it.

Sometimes you shouldn't do either because Sam gets it spot on. Yes. 1980 is right. Oh dear. It's a beautiful day. Final score, 1210 is a Mr. Sage. Oh, that's a good one. I've got to say, guys, I'm very impressed.

You were close on pretty much all of those. Well, I know we're morons, but I don't think we've started an F1 YouTube channel and podcast if we knew literally nothing. I mean, I just mean like eight questions. You were all sort of, within one year or two years every time.

So it's going. Okay. Thank you for playing. Guess the year. Guess the year. Guess the year? How beautiful. Good God.

I mean, if you've made it this far, congratulations. It's appalling. It's appalling and difficult to listen to. We're sorry. Yes, it is. Well, we're going to get out of here. After your victorious guesty year, Sam, please get us out of here.

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