The Late Braking F1 Podcast - Will F1's 2021 rule changes work? | Episode 100

Episode Date: January 27, 2021

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This podcast is part of the Sports Social Podcast Network. Thank you for listening to the Late Breaking F1 podcast. Make sure to look out for new episodes every Thursday and Grand Prix Sundays. Hello and I'm very warm. Welcome to the late breaking Formula One podcast and not just any late breaking Formula One podcast. It is the 100th episode. How on earth have we made it to 100? How do we make it to 10, but alone 100?

Anyway, we're still here, we're still going, and we've got something of a special episode to bring up three figures. But of course, Harry Ead and Samuel Sage are alongside me. Guys, are you as stoked about making the milestone as I am? I feel like we've only got to 100 because we do this in separate locations. And had we done this in one recording booth, we probably would have throttled each other maybe after halfway through the second episode, I reckon. I wouldn't have taken that long. Yeah, I mean, I don't think that would have been very practical at all. I think us being, you know, a couple of hundred miles apart from each other is, you know, the way forward.

It's a shame, though. I do wish I was closer to you, boys. We did, we did, we did do one if you were listening to the Portuguese GP review podcast. We all sat around the table there. It was good. And you'll know it made absolutely no impact whatsoever on the quality of the product. Yeah, you left didn't care. You did not care.

kidding of course um yeah so today we're going to be one of the things we're going to be doing today is reviewing the first ever podcast that we did back in 2018 just to prove that we weren't very good at this then as we are now um we're going to play a special 100 finish of f1 back and forth because you know the milestone episode just wouldn't be complete without f1 back and forth it's the staple um but first of all we're going to have a bit of a bit of a wider topic of the few future of Formula One. So plenty going on at the moment in terms of the rules and the regulations changing, budget cap coming in, Stefano Domenicali into the role left by Chase Carey. So plenty to discuss here. If we're going to break this down, let's have a look first of all at the changes in

rules and regulations, some of which are coming in in 2021 to do with the aerodynamics, but a lot of them pushed back for 2022. Sam, how do you think that these rules are going to impact the overall racing that we get? This, I think, is the most positive part for the future of F1. I think we're going to talk across some interesting topics about how F1 is going to be defined going forward. I think in terms of, it feels like guarantee positivity, this is the right way to go. We've missed wheel to racing. We've missed close following. You know, Ben always said it. Races don't need to have a single overtake to be an exciting race and they don't we've seen some fascinating races where only a couple of people have made moves and it's been really really exciting i was a bit gutted actually

that the regulations got pushed back a year because i was really really exciting and see those sleek clean cars missing all the parts uh so they were just one old body almost like it was back in the 90s where it's one clean um formula one car body so could speak um i love the idea what is illuminating rims that are going to have information or lights on them it's a bit strong but F1's always been a, you know, a sport of the future. I kind of love that that's going to happen. And I think this is going to make for really, really fun action. And I also think because we're coming into a big of a golden generation of F1 talent,

there's seven or eight drivers on the grid right now that could theoretically be world champion should they step into the right car. I'm really pumped. I am super pumped. Not saying I say often, how pumped I am. But I am pumped up very much like a blow-up bed after a good... You know what I mean? well then terrible metaphor anyway pumped that's one of your worst metaphors you've ever done

you save it for episode 100 if you're still risking you don't care out of metaphors like yeah i mean honestly that might be one of your better metaphors which isn't really a compliment but there you go i'm kidding of course um yeah i mean in terms of the rules and regulations changing specifically for 2022 of course supposed to be all coming in in 2021. Harry, what are your thoughts on how that can improve the product that we've got at the moment? Yeah, I mean, can I echo what Sam says. I was sad that they had to push it back.

But I think if we can get to a place where F1 is somewhat like Formula 1 2012 was where, you know, you went into each weekend not knowing who you and, you know, anyone could have won. Past a mile now they won a race. and that says everything you need to know. So, yeah, I think... Well, sorry. Sorry, Pastor.

Yeah, I think if we can get to F1 back to that kind of place where, you know, huge respect to Mizzone and the dominance they've had over F1, you can't fault them for it. They've just done the better job. But if we can get to a place where F1 is,

you know, there's three teams, four teams fighting out for the championship. You know, even back, in 2010 we had something similar like that. Yeah, I think that's, that would be great. And, you know, even if it's, it doesn't have to be a huge amount of overtaking, but as long as it's close where, you know, mistakes are costly and you could lose a bunch of positions because the pack so close, that kind of thing. Yeah, that would be, that would be awesome. And just hope that, I hope that they work. Yeah, I mean, first of all, just to look at the rules and

regulation changing. It is good that there are a number of aerodynamic elements are being stripped away and adjusted for 2021. Mercedes have only just recently released a video of James Allison sort of describing the changes. It's about 11, 12 minute video. He does it. He's a perfect communicator, James Allison. I would definitely recommend checking that out just to give a brief overview as to what the F1 teams are doing here. But I'm interested to see what they do. And then the wider changes that come in in 2020. Ultimately, and they've sort of set the stall quite high in terms of what they actually expect from these changes in how much it could eliminate dirty air and make following that much easier. We hear all the time drivers complain that they can catch up to a driver.

They get within two seconds and they just kind of sit in that area without being able to make much more of a move unless they are significantly faster than the driver ahead. hopefully those sorts of situations are eliminated or it makes it easier for the driver to at least have a battle with the car ahead. And yeah, we'll just have to wait until 2020. The good news is even if they're wrong with their estimations as to how much it will improve by, they've set the stool so high that even if they only get halfway there, that's still quite a significant improvement. So hopefully it's as good as they think it will be. But there is a bit of leeway regardless. So yeah, just looking at the rules and regulations in isolation there.

Related to that in terms of the competition aspect of this all and having multiple teams at the front being able to challenge, I personally have no problem with one team dominating Formula One and taking every race win in a season, presuming they do so where there is equal opportunity. If a team is good enough to take advantage of the circumstances, I've got no problem with their dominance. 18. The situation we're in now, Mercedes obviously been dominant for years and they are very, very good as a team. The reason that they are able to beat seven of the nine teams on the grid is because they spend way more than the others. You know, they spend three times the amount that someone like an Alfa Tauri or a Williams would spend in a season. So it's natural that they're going to whoop their asses each time. Of course they're going to. The only two exceptions to that are Red Bull and more, even more accurately Ferrari, where the spend is fairly similar. Mercedes are able to beat those teams because they are so much more efficient in how they spend their money.

They beat the midfield and the lower end teams because of the amount they spend. The way in which they spend it is how they beat Red Bull and Ferrari. And that's the important thing. That's what should be Formula One, in my opinion. I think F1 needs to head towards, and I think these changes are helping to that, just needs to head towards the factors that are most important. We don't just want a sport, or at least I don't just want a sport, where you spend more money, your win as a result of that.

I want the playing field, and this sort of goes into the budget cap here, I want a field where you've got everyone spending a very similar amount, and suddenly what factors become much more important? Driver ability, ability to perform under pressure, the efficiency of these teams, hit stops, all of these things become much more important when the money aspect goes away. You know, for example, racing point, and this might change with them being Aston Martin, but specifically in the last couple of years, racing point can be as efficient as they want to be. They're not going to be Mercedes.

It doesn't matter how well they spend their money. So I just want to see the financial element of it taken away even slightly, but hopefully more than that. So that kind of goes back to the point where I don't mind if Mercedes, after all of these changes are made, they go and win every race. Because if they've done so at that point, they've done it the absolute best way they can. And I mean, related to this, we've got, I sort of alluded to the budget cap that's coming in. Sam, do you think that this will make as much of an impact as the people hope that it will? I hope so.

I hope we do see a proper turn of events. I hope, as you said, I don't mind Mercedes winning every race. As long as it's a closely fought contest, as you see everyone's on the same playing field. If, well, we're going to see numbers at the area now. The same is going to spend 150 quid and half spent 150 quid and half spent 150 quid. Haas come out on top, good for Haas. You're the better team. You've done it with the same amount of money, the same resources.

Mercedes are one of the largest automotive giants in the globe and have a lot of resource to throw anything they want to. They could probably walk into any sport. And within a couple of seasons of development, be on top of it, really. They've got the ability to buy the best people, to buy the best resources. And that shouldn't take away from what what the Segas have done. You know, Mercedes are brilliant for a number of reasons, including the fact they've got the results.

to be so. You know, they spent the money in the correct way as Benalougat to her with the Ferrari and the Red Bull thing, you know, to be that successful is just phenomenal. But I'd love to see them do it where their car, it can only be a maximum of three to four attempts faster. I think it's got to be someone like a Lewis Hamilton or a Max the Stapman that comes along and really turns that around, really makes that difference. I think the bucket cuts are great. I think it's going to help out a lot of smaller teams. I think it will help out a lot of the private teams. Teams like McLaren might see themselves get back on top. Teams might be going to grow back again. Racing Point now.

Austin Martin. Might be like to shoot themselves back up. I know they've got that funding from Stroll, but, you know, that doesn't mean they can immediately start pumping resources in to build themselves ready for that new development season. So I'm really excited for this whole new period. I think it ties very much into kind of where we're going with environmentalist points of view. I think it's great that we're seeing the change for the carbon neutral that goes along

with it as well. Formula One is going in the right direction. I'm nervous that there are a few hurdles that they might trip over getting there, as we know with certain contracts that they sign for. certain tracks that go against certain points that they're trying to make. But it's definitely getting there. We're definitely moving the right direction. I think the budget cap is the right way to do it.

Hopefully maybe we might see some new teams step into the sport. Now they might be able to afford the overall version of the sport. So many great manufacturers could take part. We never get to see them. It's a real shame. So yeah, all for it. Love it. What are your views on the budget cap, Harry?

Because whilst there is a lot associated with the budget cap, it doesn't encapsulate absolutely everything that Formula 1 team would spend. So at the moment at least, drivers, salaries aren't included, marketing efforts aren't included and such. Do you think that this is a good first step, or do you think it's even better than that? Yeah, look, I think it's a soft start, isn't it, for budget caps in F1? It's not something that's been done before. And I think to get it, you know, Chase Carey, I think to get this deal across the line that has had to perhaps do it this way. rather than just slam a load of budget caps

everywhere across the Formula One business because I don't think their teams would agree to it so I think in that sense probably the best way forward practically. Of course I'd love to see the full set of budget caps coming straight away as Sam said I think it'd be great to see some new teams in but hopefully that's something we can work towards in the future

but for now I think this is a good first step and then hopefully I think it is the plan that more are brought in you know as we as we move forward um yeah I it would be great to see you know Mercedes have to spend their money be you know frugal with their money like the likes of a racing point have been you know you know pound for as you said before ben I think you said this pound for bound the probably the best team in f1 um you know it'd be great to have to see Mercedes is that you know it would be great to have to see Mercedes is they're chucking money, everything, but great to see them, you know, use their money wisely.

And if they still come out on top of them, so be it. But, yeah, I think it would be something interesting to watch out for going forward. But, yeah, I'm all for what they've done for this year, and then, yeah, going forward, bringing in more will be good. Yeah, yeah, and I would agree with that. And I would just sort of echo what I said earlier and what you said there, Harry,

is that Mercedes are far from inefficiently spending their money. know, there's a reason Mercedes have won the last seven titles and Ferrari haven't. Yeah, that's because they are that much better with their money. But yeah, one thing I would say here is that with the budget cap, when Chase Carey came in, obviously, Liberty Media, very American, they haven't quite been able to grab the American market as perhaps I think they would have wanted to. The race in Miami hasn't materialized. it might not materialize at all,

haven't been able to get a second race in the US, which I think they would have hoped to have done at this point. But the budget cap is a bit of an Americanized move, really, when it comes to sports. Without going into the ins and outs of the NBA or the NFL in America, a budget cap is very much in line with what they're about in terms of overall spend. And stuff like being able to use

the wind tunnel as well and how the worst you finish in the championship, the more time you get to use wind tunnels to develop. And that's very much following sort of the draft system as you would get in the likes of the NFL and the NBA. So I think there is an American element to all of this. So it does all sort of add up. One more point I wanted to sort of raise here when it comes to the future of F1 is Stefano Domenicali. Of course, he's coming into the role being vacated by Chase Carey. Domenicali's got plenty of links within the automotive world. We know that one of F1's difficulties over the last decade or so has been attracting big name automotive companies. Sam, do you think that his ascension to this role is a start in getting some of these brands on board?

He previously worked for Lamborghini, didn't he, I believe. And Lamborghini is one of those brands that have been very much rumoured and desired to come into formal. on for a long time now. People, whatever they do, you know, you see a lot of these designs are lying, they make these fantasy liverys, they partner these fantasy teams with these fantasy sponsors. Lamborghini is one that comes up an awful lot. And I think if we had another true Italian team coming to rival Ferrari and Alfa Tauri as well doing very well, of course, Alpha and Mayo were there, it will very much be almost

like an Italian family coming. And I think the rival would be instantaneous. I think Lamborghini would be incredibly competitive from the same. start and I've expect their outlandish flair to have a good impact on Formula One. So Domanicali has that

think, and I think Domanicale needs to do a lot more than just bringing new manufacturers. I'd like to see 12 teams again, 24 cars on the grid, maybe even more, if possible, if we could fit it, if we've got the right tracks for it,

I'd be up for seeing it. Extend the points a little bit further back, make it more competitive all the way through. I don't want Williams on their own way at the back for another 10 years. It'll be nice if someone else came along.

I also think he used to do a lot more than what the likes of Chase I'm not doing. If Formula One needs to be progressive in the future, if the management needs to continue to evolve and be successful, then Zavangana Kali needs to look at a lot of other features. Firstly, he needs to look at

the environmental factor. Formula One wants to be carbon neutral, Formula One is trying lots of strange little things to be environmentally healthy, but you've got sports companies now like Extreme E and Formula E who are doing their part when they go somewhere. They're doing something impactful, they're helping the environment. Formula One

has the most ridiculous calendar on to man. We don't just have a Europe section and then an Asia section and then a North America section South America section we'll fly from Asia all the way to Europe and then we'll fly back to Asia then we'll go to Canada then we'll come back to you and you think this doesn't make any sense this is awful for the the environment this is terrible for cost why is it going along like this so I think you need to bring a standard like Canada where we hear all the areas in one go in one area then move up out of

that area and plunk ourselves down on another one that to me is a good first step and then we need to stop signing contracts with countries that have got serious human rights issues just for a bit of dush. You know, we need to be signing contracts with companies that have got great race tracks that support the modernised movement. We race as one doesn't mean anything if you keep going to poverty, badly looked after countries where the people are not treated as equals, where women are throwing in prison because they had a driving license, you know, two years ago and they wanted to drive a car.

You can't be going to these countries and then spouting off we race as one. So I want to see that from Devonicali as well to be successful. I think his manufacturing is good. I don't know if it's enough to make him successful. I need to see him go out there and do these other things in the industry to really make F1 a truly global, supportive, forward-thinking sport. I think he's got the capability. I think he's a great guy to put in charge.

He's got a lot of experience. I'm a little nervous. It's a big job for it. What are your thoughts on Dominicali being able to attract these big names, Harry? Because we've got to go back five years to the last time, a team entered F1 in HASS and you know you'd also don't want it to go the other way where we had sort of three teams coming in 2010 and they were all abject failures um so do you think that he'll be able to get these names in i mean yeah i you know sam's already referenced Lamborghini there

he's obviously got big ties there um i i don't know whether it you want manufacturers we've got a lot of manufacturers already but is should we go the way that they were trying to go back in 2010 with the three teams. It could have been four teams if USF1 hadn't conced out before they even got there. But I think that was the way forward. I just don't think F1 was in the right place to do it.

We were just post a massive recession. So I think maybe I'd prefer to see some private air teams come back in because if we are having this budget, cap I think now we're getting to a place where F1 could you know support having private teams back in this is not to say you know go away manufacturers I'd love to see a line bikini come in I'd see a Porsche to come in I just think the way that the you know motorsport and

you know environmental landscape is going as you know sounds already reference I think less and less we're going to see manufacturers being attracted to F1 you know I think they can go to the little go to Formula E or they'll go to the new Le Mans

Hypercar series so yeah it's going to be it's going to be a difficult one I don't doubt Domenicali he led Ferrari for several years I know he didn't win a championship

but he had some pretty good years with Ferrari there and he's been successful since at Lamborghini and I think he did some work for Formula like with the FAA in like Formula 4 or something as well so he's he is well connected so I think he's a

he's a well-suited man for the job. Yeah, I've got faith in Domenicali doing a good job. And I think his connections are definitely going to help in the, I think they will start the conversations and perhaps help the conversations along their way. However, I don't think it's going to, I don't think it's going to seal the deal with these big-time manufacturers. I think it will be enough to engage in the conversations. But at that point, the sport and the allure of the sport kind of has to take over from there.

in terms of manufacturers, and I guess this is a, I don't think any series in the world has got this absolutely nailed down in terms of being able to attract these big names. Formula E has definitely been very good at it in the last few years, but even so, they've got a couple of big names leaving them, but they're still doing a much better job than Formula One. And I agree with you, Harry, what you say in terms of these privateer teams versus the manufacturers. and I wouldn't mind seeing a mixture of both really come into Formula One. What you don't want is the situation where we had in 2010, where these teams are coming in, and suddenly the 107% rule needs to be applied, and there's just no level of competitiveness with these teams.

We want any new entries, like Hass have been, to be competitive and to be able to fight with the other teams, other more established teams. The issue, I think, at the moment, in terms of manufacturers, and particularly in terms of power unit suppliers, we know that Honda's going, even if they sell the IP for their power units to Red Bull, which means we are essentially looking at three power units.

We're looking at Ferrari, we're looking at Renault, and we're looking at Mercedes, and that's it, which is a pretty dangerous position because the fewer power unit suppliers you have, the more influence they have on, you know, they can't leave. you know if you have 10 power unit suppliers at the same time if one of them goes doesn't really matter you've still got nine as that number drops down and you get to the likes of four and three as we've got at

the moment suddenly the influence of a team like let's say Mercedes the influence of their power unit goes from 25% of the overall amount to 33% of the overall amount so it's a big jump up and if there's any threat of them leaving or whatever in the next couple of years then suddenly Formula One are not in a strong position to back down from their demands or anything like that. And that kind of works more widely, rather not just the power units, but also with the teams themselves. And I really think this is a problem that I hope to many Carly attacks in that being in Formula One is a privilege. And the sport should be set up in a way that it is such a privilege for these teams that they are not

the ones dictating the rules and they are not the ones dictating how the sport goes. ultimately, and I do not blame the teams for this whatsoever, by the way, they are going to, if they have a say, go with whatever helps them. You know, Mercedes, Ferrari, the back teams, there's very little when it comes to morals. It's just a case of, is this rule going to help us or not? Yes or no, that's how I'm going to choose whether I vote for it or vote down. And I don't blame for the teams for that whatsoever. It's the job of Formula One to strip their infrastructure.

away and make Formula One such an exciting prospect for teams that it doesn't matter if you lose them or not. You know, Formula One should be, there should be no discussion as to whether Ferrari is more powerful than Formula One. Formula One should be the be all and end all, and the team should be glad that they're there. That's how it works in all other sports. So I hope Domenicali attacks that issue. And the only other thing that I hope he looks at really is that I don't mean I'd say this so I hope Dominicali can

oh no say it you've got us all on tender hooks I have haven't I I'm sorry I've built this up yeah I just hope that I can't form the point I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I can't just say something

I can't form the point no I'll say something that I'll let me not regretting time and 100 episodes. I know, it's taken 100 podcasts for me to get to this point. Yeah, I just hope that Domenicali does a good job. He sorts this competition issue out and that the influence of Domenicali, the influence of Formula One supersedes that of the teams. They can't be forced to direct how the rules and regulations go because, you know, that's how it will end up. It will end up as a sport where other people don't want to get involved. The barriers of entry are too high.

And you've got the power houses of McLaren and all Mercedes and Red Bull. They're deciding everything. And the sport won't benefit as a result. You know, when you couldn't work out what you're going to say then, I thought for a minute you were going to like snap your fingers. And Domenicali was going to appear on the podcast. And you would surprise me and Harry's, it's my gift to you two.

Domenicali's here. I've been like, wow, Ben, I owe you a lot of nice things, but you know what? No, let me down. And once you're going for the 100th time in a row, I'm disappointed. He might be on next week. Does that mean he's not going on? No, you're right. Stefano DiPanacali is not coming on.

Moving on, because we are at podcast 100, but let's take away those two zeros and leave us with podcast one. the 24th of August, 2018, an historic day that will be remembered by many as the first day that the late breaking podcast made an appearance. We actually, I can't remember how many episodes we did in our first initial run, but it wasn't many when we decided we're not cut out for this. We were right in thinking that, but we decided to bring it back later on. So, Harry, I think you've got a few clips prepared from that first episode. I can't wait to listen to this. I am quite pumped.

Again, there it is, folks. Pumped. Here we go. So if I hold on your hands, I think that they realistically need to get rid of Renault before the new regulations come in. They need to stop them. I know.

They only got Honda a couple of years before that. They need to go out, and they need to bring in a brand new engine supplier that isn't in Formula One to have total control of that agent supplier and one that can deliver power. Both Renault and Honda have never, being renowned for delivering

powerful setups and that is what McLaren are lacking. I'm as far as he who's you talking about but you heard at the end. I stand by everything I said. I mean, you're not far off. I mean, they didn't bring in a new one but McLaren got a, they went back to Mercedes.

So Sam, you know. They did. And how successful have rang out of Honda Bing since I made that statement? They've won. I mean, much more successful. Yeah. but only with a team that was already in the top three anyway. They got one wing outside of that top three.

And Renault, how many wings have they got? Well, I think that, I would argue that's more down to Renno being Renault rather than the power unit being poor. I mean, Renaud and Power were power in Red Bull at one point, so. And that worked out, all right? Didn't get too many wings, no world championships. I'll stand by it. They got four world championships, didn't they? Yeah, they did all right.

Do you think there's anything about talking a cup there, folks? Okay, I've got, I should have written what, I've got time because I didn't write what these clips are about, which is a stupid move, but this is number two. We've got three more to go, so brace yourselves. Should we move on to Mr. Fernando Alonzo? He's been in the news recently, isn't he?

What's he been up to? My heartbreaks. I can't remember. What's happening with Alonzo? He's gone on holiday. Oh, he's gone on holiday. Forever! He's never coming back.

Well, actually, he's already said in his leaving video that, or whatever, I might come back still. See? And he did. Look at that. He was always coming back, wouldn't he? He was always coming back. We knew it. L.B. predicts the future. A bit like the Simpsons predicts the future.

Yeah. We knew he was coming on back and he's here. Fernando, a long sort of a fuck-go he's got here. He's got here. He's not. Sorry. He only agreed to come on if Stefano Domenicole was coming on. And Stefano DiManicali was only coming on if Fernando Alonzo's coming on, and it was kind of a standoff, you see. Got their wires crossed.

So, yeah. Alonzo retiring. How about that? I mean, that was, we had a good topic for our first podcast because it must have been after Abouadabby, 2018? No. He, he, he, he, after the summer window, isn't it? The podcast was the 24th of August. Oh, August.

So, Alonzo announced it. Yeah, Alonzo announced it earlier in the year. But, yeah. Okay. And he stayed retired. Yeah, forever. Until now. Until now.

Where he's back? Deck chair F1. Make it happen. Karma. Karma F1. Karma racing. Yeah, be interesting to see a lot. G2 engine racing.

Back to the point. Nothing has changed. Back to the point at us. Still happens while you go every two episodes. Pretty much. much, yeah. I did say this would be a trip back to the past that proves that nothing's changed.

Yeah, Ben just still gets annoyed at me and Harry laughing at each other being idiots, so Ben wants to make a proper F1 point. Who wants proper points? Ben. Apart from Ben. Well, our listeners clearly don't, because

if you have stuck around, we appreciate it. If you are Biggis, it's episode one. Come and talk to us over Twitter. We'd be quite interested in see if you've listened to every episode. I imagine none of you had. Yeah, I really doubt anyone's been, if anyone listened to episode one and is still here now, you are mad. All right, we've got one clip left. I don't, I don't know what this is.

Dan, where's he moving on? Well, it's obviously down the local track, down the road selling candy floss. Candy floss? Alonso floss. Anyway. Alonzo floss. I'm sorry. Alonzo floss.

Yeah, I still stand by that business choice It doubles up as a confectionery item And a sort of mouthful You know, toothpaste going and a mouthwash kind of thing Yeah, that could work That's dual function To advertise it He could do the Kingsdugs

The Loss of floss For the record everyone Yeah He is actually doing this Just be thankful that you can't see it Very slowly because I'm an old man and my hips don't move back quickly anymore. He's only in his 20s, but you'd have thought he was in his 50s based on what happened in the last 10 seconds.

Yeah, it was elegant. Ice town by a lockser floss, and I'm not surprised I said it. If anything, I'm disappointed you. I didn't go further with the idea. I'm surprised that he didn't do it. Yeah. Well, he's not on the podcast to say that he definitely didn't do it. So we can only presume he did.

next time he retires, whenever that happens again, a launch of floss, it's coming. Thank you very much for preparing those, Harry. It's good to know that we were writing what we thought. We were idiots then and we're idiots now. Before we go on to F1 back and forth, talking about idiocy. Sam, you've got something to say about Manscapes.

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20% off. So thanks, manscaped. You'll be hearing a bit more from them over the next couple episodes because they're here with us for a little bit. But much love to you guys and to Man Skate's for Open Us Out. With that, we will move on to F1 back and forth. F1. Back and forth, it's F1. Back and forth, it goes backwards.

Then goes forth, it's F1. Back and forth. F1. All right, F1, back and forth. Anyone who is listening where this isn't the first one they've listened to will know what this is all about. But Harry versus Sam back and forth on a particular topic where there are a number of correct answers. When one of them gets an answer wrong or can't think of an answer they lose, leaving the other one as the winner. So today's topic and there are 25 correct answers in this one. Any driver who has more, any driver who has more than a 180 race starts in Formula One. Oh God. More than 180 race starts.

And there are 25 correct answers. So, Sam, if you wouldn't mind kicking us off. Rubens Barrichello. Second on the list with 322. Well done. Harry. Kimmy Reichenen. Number one on the list with 329.

Sam. Fernando Alonso. Yeah, it looks like he's going to overtake Rubens Barrakello by the time 2021 is over. He's a correct answer. Harry? Michael Schiomacher. Yeah, with 306, that's a correct answer. Sam?

Oh, Kenson Button. And those are the top five all there, so Jensen Button is correct. Harry. Only another 20 to go. Ricardo Petrazi. Yeah, he was there for five decades, so he is a correct answer. 256 race starts for him. Not quite five.

Sam, who's next? Sebi Vette. Sebi Vette is a correct answer. He's got one more, 257. Harry. Lewis Hamilton. Lewis Hamilton, 266. That's a correct answer.

Sam. Don't worry about what eight in. I'm struggling. I'm talking of him already. Filippo Masser is a correct answer. Going in a nice sort of order here, because you've got nine correct answers and they are the top nine.

It's the obvious one, that's why. It's the obvious. Yes. You might as well go for those ones first. They are the safest answers. Harry, who's next? Um, I will go for... Ooh.

Oh, I will go for... Highfeld? Quick Nick Heifeld has 183, so you are just about. All right with that answer. Just.

Aye, aye. Sam. DC, baby Cortad. D.C. is there. 246 to his name. Harry. Um, everyone's favorite train,

Yarno Trilly? Choo-choo-choo-choo. 2-2 for him. Sam? It's got to get hard. Start it hard. Mark Weber. Mark Weber is the correct answer.

He's over the 200-1-215, Harry. Mark? Mark. Mark, Wai-ye-ye. Oh, God. You can't lose on the 100th episode. Well, one of us has, do. I don't think this is right

Niko Rosberg It is right Yep Nika Rosberg 206 race starts Sam Crazy Zhang lazy Crazy John Alazy is correct

201 Go on crazy Crazy Um Oh No I don't think it could be Uh Oh my god

The people are screaming at home with answers I don't think this is right Based on the last answer I don't think this is right but I can't think of anyone else Mika Hakenen You are writing that you are wrong Mika Hakenen is not a correct answer There are still a few out there

we've got 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. 10 more answers, Sam. Do you think you can get any of them? I could get a few. Prost. Is Prost on there? Yeah, 1-99 for Prost is a good answer. The man who campaigns Finnair, Shankalo Piscuela, is he on there?

Yeah, he's done 229 races and defended Finner in 211 of them. that man loves thin air you want to get it past me have some of that Kimmy yeah and then they do yeah well I want to say

Nelson PK but I can't remember if it's going to be senior or junior I think it's senior I think it's senior considering junior was there for four minutes 204 race starts for the senior of the Nelson PK drivers

now I'm struggling have we said Petrazi yes I said Petraising yeah what about Gerhard beef burger Gehrhard beef burger is correct

210 I'm not sure how many more I've got I'm going to take a punt or one more oh what's he called Harry help me out is the Italian bloke The Italian bloke. Italian bloke F1.

That narrows it down. His name sounds like Albuquerque, but it's obviously not Albuquerque. Let me have a list. Look at my list about Albuquerque. No, it's not Ascarry. Oh, Albaretto. Is that his name?

McKelly Albaretto. Yeah, that's a correct answer. I will just go for a bit of a punt then, and I will say, Nico Holkenberg? No, Nico Holkenberg has not had that many, but a good effort with only five more left to get.

So the ones you missed out on, so, Andrea de Chesaris, famous crashster from the 80s and 90s. Sergio Perez is on 191. Oh, that's your God. Daniel Ricardo's on 188. Nigel Mansell is on 186.

and then good old Ralph the mouth just about got in there with 180. So a good effort overall. You got 80% of them. Sure, I got four of the last five, to be fair. That was a difficult one, Ben. That was a tough, tough old ground. Well, it was the 100th one, so it had to be quite difficult. Of course, as always, very interested to hear how you got on at home.

Could you get more than 20? Were there some you thought would be on the list that weren't on there? But yeah, as always, let us know And play that jingle, Harry. F1. Back and forth, it's F1. Back and forth, it goes backwards. Then goes forth, it's F1.

Back and forth, F1. So, I mean, before we go, guys, onto podcast 200, I guess. That comes after 100, isn't it? It does, yeah. 9-9, 100, 200, 300, that's how we start. We'll probably do some in between 100 and 200, just to be clear, but... How many? In between.

Five? I was thinking seven, but five could work. I mean, the point is, we're not going anywhere. We've still got plenty of podcasting left in us, haven't we? Yeah, I do like to cast a pod or two, you know? Yeah, unbelievably, we do. And it would be absolutely brilliant if for this 100th podcast, we did have a way to wrap it up. Harry, could you think of anything we might be able to put in here?

It definitely not makes sense. Harry's definitely not known for montage making or anything. No, I famously don't like a montage. Now, folks, what you're about to hear is... I'm going to be completely honest to it. The music in it, I nicked it off a guy called Jack Hartman. on YouTube who does counting for children. That says it all already.

And his video is, you know, counting and being fit in between, you know, after every 10, he does like a stretch your arms or bend your legs, or bend your legs. But instead of that, I've just put a highlight in.

I put a highlighting. I put a highlight in. I put a highlight in from that number episode. So 10. 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90. Yeah, there's a highlight from each. And you will notice, as we know from earlier on, the quality in production of our podcast has vastly improved,

but the content is the same. I love that. So, yeah, I hope you enjoy it, guys. It's about two minutes, so per pays. If you're in the car now, you're listening to this on the way home, like do another, you know, one around the block. This will take two minutes.

Turn it up. Sing a log. get the windows down. Like I think, when England scored in the World Cup than we won in the last minute, I took me top off, I got in the car, and I drove around the block playing three lines at my windows at full volume. But do that with the LB podcast.

Getting on. Yeah, enjoy what he's put together. It is about as ridiculous as you probably think it is going to be right now. But definitely... Definitely stick around and check it out. You go ahead and watch that. We're going to go away for a week.

We'll be back for podcast episode. 101 next time out. We can't wait to to hear you there. We, yeah, thank you so much for all of the support that we've had in the first 100.

Keep listening. We're not going anywhere. We're going to keep going. Let us no feedback. We always love to hear what you like and dislike about the podcast. We're always looking to improve.

So Twitter at Elbreaking, get in touch with us there. But until next time, we're going to get out of here. I've been Ben Hocking. I still can't believe there's more and more of you listening. So I've been Samuel Sage for the 100th time.

And I've been Harry Ead. Haven't we done this the wrong way around? Oh no, this is right. I've been Harry Eid. Classic. Keep breaking late. One, two, three, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. Yeah, it's nice to turn up to your own show, really.

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