The Lazy Genius Podcast - BONUS: Sisterhood, Songwriting, and Vulnerability Hangovers with Joseph

Episode Date: April 27, 2023

Today is a very special bonus episode where I get to talk to one of my favorite bands in the whole world, Joseph. They have a new album releasing tomorrow, April 28, called The Sun. It is an album full of honesty, compassion, joy, and it also just sounds rad. Today, I talk with the sisters about what it’s like being sisters who also make music together, what you can do to help develop healthy relationships among your kids, especially twins, and how they process singing their personal stories so vulnerably from stage. Helpful Companion Links Visit The Band Joseph’s website The Band Joseph Instagram Their Tiny Desk Concert on npr "Without You" video This podcast is hosted by Kendra Adachi and executive produced by Kendra Adachi, Jenna Fischer and Angela Kinsey. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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From binge all episodes exclusively on Paramount Plus. You're listening to the Lazy Genius Podcast. I'm Kendra Adachi, and I'm here to help you be a genius about the things that matter and lazy about the things that don't. Today is a very special bonus episode where I get to talk to one of my favorite bands in the whole world, Joseph. Joseph is an indie pop band comprised of three sisters, Natalie, Megan, and Allie, and their music is something I turn to on a practically daily basis.

They have a new album releasing it tomorrow, April 28th called The Sun. and the sisters joke that it was heavily inspired by their individual therapists. It is an album full of honesty, compassion, joy, and it also just sounds rad. Today, I talk with the sisters about what it's like being sisters who also make music together, what you can do to help develop healthy relationships among your kids, especially twins, and how they process singing their personal stories so vulnerably from stage. This is such a treat to have Joseph on the show, and I hope you enjoy our conversation. I want to tell y'all how I first came to discover you. And it was through a mutual friend, Andy Baxter of Pennians Farrow.

We love him. He posted just a story of y'all singing with them at a show, singing, was it double heart that you're saying? Oh, yeah. I'm sorry, who are these people singing this? I'm so moved. And I looked you up. then I've just been like obsessed, obsessed ever since. Thank you. Thank you. And I think that the reason, one of the reasons other than y'all just sound so good is that your songs just feel so deeply human. There's something like really rooted in in the humanity of that. And I am curious, is there significance to y'all being family, being sisters, and that there is a, there's like a built in knowing. I think what I would say to that is that, you know, we can't really put on a face or like act,

you know, and I think we, I think that was also hard in the beginning of this band because we were like, we're trying to do something that's kind of outside of us. And it's, you're embarrassing me that you're acting like that or whatever, like just be yourself or whatever. And so I think that that also definitely impacts the music as well because it's like you can't really say something that two other people aren't going to check you on and be like, that's not how it went. It's like it was more raw than that or like, you know, stuff like that.

So I think that we probably go, I think there's some definitely vulnerability in trying to be in a band and with your sisters because you have to be kind of bigger than just this in some ways, but then also there's so much power in being able to go deeper because of that. Yeah, I would say to expand on that, it definitely feels like there's this innate groundedness because we have seen each other at different, you know, when we were three years old. Well, I guess me and Al, you didn't see me when I was. No, no. It was like, we were not alive yet.

You know, and you've had so much shared experience. So there's this, it keeps you, keeps your feet on the ground. But as Megan's saying, like, in this, there are moments where you kind of have to, like, shoot for the stars and, like, be, and like, you have to go out onto a stage in front of thousands of people and be big and be something more and, and be a performer. And I think that side of things, we've worked really hard to allow each other to not have a ceiling and to try to be more and different and allow each other to, like, explore, you know, that in that state of performance or that state of like trying for something that is really ambitious,

that maybe we would each, it's like your own inner voice. We each know like our own, like how far we've gotten on things or what our limitations are. But allowing each other to imagine no limitations has been like a concerted effort too. So there's a lot of interplay there. You just said a phrase. And then I'm just going to, hi, Allie. I'm just going to make you answer this question, even though you didn't say the word. You just said. said about that you don't have a ceiling. And I think that that is like a very resonant statement, whether you're a performer or not. Yeah.

So maybe Allie. Like how, how does one, how does one accept that like, oh, I don't have to have a ceiling, but just as a person in regular life? Like a stage feels like a more acceptable place to not have a ceiling. ceiling. But other places maybe not so much. Yeah, because I think that it's so much easier to have salings because it feels so much safer because the second, what's that thing, psychology experiment, something that happened with the kids in the playground. And when they had a fence around the playground, they found that like the kids would expand to the edges. But when they didn't have a

fence, then they would kind of stick to themselves. So I think even when you have no ceiling, it can feel like, I think, way scarier to actually shoot for the stars, you know, shoot for anything bigger because there's like a sort of inherent lack of safety in it because you could really go anywhere or do anything and make as many mistakes as possible. and I don't know. I think with us, I think it's really helpful to have each other sort of reminding each other like,

we can be bigger than that or we can look crazier than that or, you know, things like that because as family, yeah, it's easy to hold each other back sometimes. So, yeah, I think like the practice that we have of doing that in our band world, which I think is still a constant thing we're all working on, is to let each other be the fullest version and in the least ceilinged version of ourselves. It's something that, yeah, I think we each are like trying to take that into our own day of days. And because we spend so much time together, I think, I think, I know at least for Megan and I,

we've each tried really hard to figure out what the biggest version of ourselves on our own is, like, outside of our sisterhood. So I'm not sure if I've answered that totally correctly. Oh, you answered it fantastically. I mean, I really just did throw you like the most amoebic tennis ball from the phrase you didn't even say. So you nailed it. I love it. You nailed it. Actually, someone I had I had said on Instagram like, so like, if I were to be talking with the band Joseph. One of the questions, there's some really, really great questions.

And one of them is kind of in line with what you're saying. It's from somebody named Diana Allen. And she said, how does being in a band together make your family dynamic harder? And how does it make it easier? I love that. I mean, as Allie was talking

and I was thinking about your question, the first one, I was like, this is actually a really interesting conversation for everyone not just in a band, this idea of like, okay, I'm surrounded by people who with whom we have the shared understanding of who each other is in a long-term relationship, be that like, you know, a partner or children or parents or extended family or whatever. And I think it's this like sense of, at least for me, I really struggle with just like wearing and living by my environment and what my community and environment tells me to be and do, you know? And so it's this

constant conversation between like, okay, where is my chosen like environment and my not chosen environment limiting me when I know something, I know a truer knowing within myself that I can do and be more than what these particular parameters are like allowing me to? And I think that's something that applies in my personal life just as much as in the band, you know, where it's just like, okay, these are the tenets of this community that I'm a part of. Do those align with my inner knowing and constantly checking that instead of always responding to like what the outside factors are telling me to be and do. So yeah, I do think that's, that's a way that this, that being in a band with our family makes it both harder and easier. You know, it's just like we have.

have each other and through those hard moments that you might, if you were alone as an individual, feel kind of like lost out to see of like, where am I? What's up? What's down? Like we have each other to be reminded of just like, hey, this is, you know, this is who you are. And just to kind of like reiterate what we've been saying is also that tough part of being like, oh, but what if, what if who I am is changing and transitioning and growing and how do we let each other like push those boundaries and not be holding each other back. You know, so I would say that's what's both hard and easy. That's one of the things. It's both hard and easy about it. And then you throw in for people who don't know and can't see y'all right now. Then you have like the twin situation,

which, you know, it's like its own like my best friend has twins. There are twins in our lives. And you know, I don't have twins myself. But like there is a really interesting, such a unique. dynamic and being a twin. Yeah. So I hear. So I would imagine that there's even maybe an additional layer to that too for the two of you. Yeah. I think so. I was in my last therapy session and my therapist was like, I just heard about this twin like therapy specifically for twins and only one of them is allowed. Only one twin is allowed to go. And I was like, This is so fascinating. Because, yeah.

But yeah, I don't know. I think there's, Allie and I have a really good relationship. And I think I would say the biggest dynamic that's come up in the band is probably just like the two against one thing. You know, because Allie and I are so aligned in a lot of ways. Like we just were very similar and the things we like and are interested in and whatnot. And so I think it's the easiest dynamic to fall prey to is just like Natalie feeling on me out. What about someone actually asked tips for Sarah, Sarah Capri asked tips for parenting twin girls who fight a lot.

Oh, do you all have any? Do you all have any? We there are, again, this is a, just so you know who you're talking to, this is a community that really has spent. a lot of their lives trying to get it right, which is why I think people love your music, because you're uncovering that for yourselves in your own ways and experiencing freedom in that. And so, but one of the places that feels the most, maybe not the most, that's not fair, but a place that consistently can feel like, I've got to get this right is if you are a parent because it's like this is a human person that I'm responsible for. There's so much pressure. And so I get a lot of questions of like how to parent when I have

some episodes with my younger sister. And we have a wonderful relationship and are such good friends and have a great time together. And people who are like, what did your parents do? And I'm like, well, our dad was abusive and our mother had tremendous mental illness. So nothing helpful. Yeah. Well, thank you. You're like, that was all that. That was so, so it's kind of like, it's like, release the pressure parents. Like you could do so many things and your, your kids might not be friends. And you could do terrible things. Yeah. Yeah. And your kids could end up being friends. So I'm not saying like, what did your parents do to make y'all friends? But also like, were there things that you really valued growing up that have impacted your relationships now? I just remember, um, awesome.

knowing like that it's a thing for twins to be competitive and that that can be in, you know, get lodged in the relationship. And so from a really early age, I just feel like we purpose, we tried even subconsciously, to not be competitive with each other. Even, I would say that has even come up more in our adulthood to be competitive with each other. You know, once like, you know, partners, people, you know, that you're interested, get involved and like, you might like the same person and you're like holy crap you know there's stuff like that like oh my god i every time i wear alleys clothes i get compliments on my outfits every single time like it's like and i'm like oh well it's alleys you know and i and i also know she wants me to say that she's like you tell them that it's

mine but i'm like it's so funny i'm like there's a lot of with twins like there's a lot of and i would say even with sisters this is not just twins but there's a lot of room to be competitive and i think like the most you can do to take that off the table. Well, Megan, in that, you, I feel like the answer to Sarah's question is like, try to limit the amount of comparison that's happening verbally, you know, like is like being like noticing and calling out verbally like, oh, you're more this and you're more this. It's like actually allowing to.

All the time. Yes. People. And I do it to other people, right? We're always trying to, like, put people in boxes and understand people. So people say stuff to us all the time. Like, even just the other day, someone said to Allie, oh, you're really chaty. And to me, like, and you're not, like, oh, in a way that I felt very limited by.

And I was like, oh, my God. This kind of stuff just doesn't help anybody. You know, it doesn't help anyone, like, yeah, move forward or feel like they can be bigger than the situation they're in. Allie, do you have any thought? Yeah, I just think that there's always, I think with twins specifically, because there's always, always, always going to be comparisons. And you'll always have people whispering in your ear from a tiny age, like, oh, I like you better or I think you're prettier or like weird things that you're like, okay, you're literally saying a nice thing to me, but you're like, you're putting my sister down at the same time. And so I think that and Megan and I both got that. People want to make you feel, you know, that they know you more or something.

So I think like one thing that really has helped Megan and I over the years is just knowing that like it doesn't matter what people say and that like we always have each other's back and that our relationship is more important than anything else and anybody else and anything they have to say about us. And so I think that like we anytime stuff like that would come up, I felt like it in some ways like it definitely early on I think like shook things up and had the different points. but I think it also kind of solidifies where it's like, oh my God, who cares? Like it's like our relationship is more important than what other people think about us. And just making us a team, I think. And same with us as sisters. If you know that your like core is strong, then it's like it just doesn't matter what is happening on the outside. And if you can limit the amount of comparison between yourselves, like even as sisters, you know, in a band,

then I think that everybody can thrive a lot more. Speaking of kids, I have three, two boys and a girl. My daughter's almost seven. Actually, when this episode releases, she will be seven. And y'all, she's a big old Joseph fan. And I just wanted to, I wanted to tell you, her name's Annie. And she loves watching two, there are two videos, especially that she loves watching. One is, um, when you performed white flag at the tiny desk concert. Oh, cute. Which was a super long time ago.

And then also for for paste when you play without you. And so we will like, she asks for before she knew your band name, she would say, I want to see the cool girls who sing strong. That's what she would say. I love that. He nailed it. right there. That's what she,

our new bio. There it is. There it is. But I wanted to, I wanted to tell you that, that, um, when she first saw without you,

especially, because in, you know, there's something that's really special. I say this a lot, because I, I'm like, a penny and sparrow evangelist and I'm like,

see them live, guys. See them live. I think that's just true about music in general. Like, there's something incredibly special about seeing, a performance and I think particularly by singer songwriters because it's so personal. But there's something when she, I remember sitting next to her on the couch the first time

she watched that video and y'all are moving and you're dancing and you're like just killing it. And she, it's almost like she didn't know what to do with herself. Like she couldn't stop smiling. She's, you know, almost this was like a year ago. And she couldn't stop smiling. And she, what was like sort of going into herself it was almost like she was seeing that ceiling we were talking about like these wow and it was it was um I'm just really grateful to y'all for being people who create something that makes people like my little girl feel proud to be a girl that through music like yours that she is seeing these sisters and these women like move and scream and sing quietly and like wear all these cool things and like she loves your outfits too

like it's it's just a really i mean i'm gushing and rambling a little bit but i just don't know how to explain how valuable that is as a parent that you're making music that helps her feel seen and she's in first grade uh I don't have a question to follow that. I just don't want to say it to you. No, I love that. That makes me teary. It's, well, I know you don't have a question to that, but I do have a response to that.

Get it. I'm ready. I'm ready. No, I just like, I love that we get this chance. Like, people put microphones in front of us, you know, and like, and video cameras in front of us and stages for us to stand on. And I seriously will get this visceral experience sometimes if I feel within myself any kind of resistance or like fear or uncertainty and like the emotional and mental resilience that's needed in certain moments if you feel like a performance might not be going well or you see one person's

facial expression in row number three and they seem to be a little bit checked out or like and you're like, oh, I guess like they don't like the music. I guess they don't like me. I guess my life doesn't matter. Like you just start to like spiral. So fast, so fast, so fast. Very fast. And in those moments, whether it's that or it's like whatever it could be like maybe I think about that paste day and like I don't remember specifics. We were having a lot of fun doing promo. But some of those days when you're like waking up really early in New York and you're like getting into a cab and it's just like you're tired and you didn't get enough coffee or whatever. And then you go into these places

and then having that opportunity to just like embody like the center of the song. And I will have these moments sometimes when all these things might feel like it's coming against what's happening. And I just the motion of like being like, okay, extend your arms all the way or like yell to the like the back of the theater,

you know, or whatever it is. And it really feels like, this movement of energy and like this physicality to like to move and like expand the borders of what's possible both for myself and for whoever might be within that like space whether they're so it's really special when I hear you say that because I'm like yeah that's how it felt it felt like you know like I'm I'm pushing away and out anything coming against with my like movement you know, and trying to create room and space for, you know, me and the other people to exist in is boundless, you know. So that really means a lot to hear that, maybe tear up.

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also love to hear from you know your own voices like what is that what is that like i'm guessing it's not one not one way because you have three different songwriters here right we so the three of us um right but we generally um most of our songs we will go in with a co-writer which I know a lot of people don't, everyone has differing opinions about that, but I think for us, it's so awesome because I think as sisters especially, you can get really caught up or annoyed at each other or something. And, but when you get in those spaces with a co-writer, it kind of, it's like a mediator or something where, like, everyone can throw their ideas sort of at that person and, like, and that person can help us, like, sort it out.

And that is really helpful. Also, I'm not a natural writer. Megan and I didn't really write songs before doing this band. And writing with co-writers, I've learned so many tips and tricks and things from all these incredible people that we've gotten to collaborate with. Which is most, I feel like the biggest tip trick is like just to not worry about sounding stupid. Yeah. It's like that's the greatest like roadblock to writing a song or probably doing anything creative at all.

Yeah. It's just like stop being afraid because it's like worst case scenario, people would just like ignore you and move on. But like no one's like that was a bad idea. Right. And to add to that, it's interesting because nobody does say that's a bad idea, except for generally I'll notice all of us being like, this is probably a terrible idea. here's this. And so like you're the one discounting yourself. But honestly, I think it's,

it's such, it's always a really interesting season when we go into writing songs. But I love it. And it's very like intense and it's happening. But I think it's a really cool process. And the girls and I did write the son, our song, The Sun, All together. And that was really fun to just like do that without another person too. But Natalie, you also, Natalie writes, yeah, in the room, but Natalie also writes a lot on her own too. So we've got a lot of stuff going on.

There's a lot of different writing things happening, but. That's probably why in the, literally in the Instagram question box, Andy Baxter asked a question in the question box. And he had one for each of you. And he asked, he says, Natalie, the lyric you wish you wrote. Oh, God. Oh, there's so many.

okay what's going to come to mind at the top of my head that's what I'm curious about oh I love him okay I literally just said this about a song lyric the other day oh my gosh come back to me I will I will okay okay Ali he asked you what's the best song to cry to you I love to the best song to cry to there's this artist called abbey gendersen who releases these just instrumental albums and there's two of her albums in specific that have meant so much to me um i cannot remember what either of them is called because i just have a picture in my mind but they um they're most i think they're yeah piano heavy and um honestly any any one of those songs i think it's like the one with the girls face

drawing. Time moves quickly is the name of that one. Yeah. Time moved on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This song, Farewell Summer from that album. If Spotify gave me, like, how many times have you listened to this? It would be triple digits without question.

Yeah. It was just one of those where it's like all the time. No, that's a great answer. Did you find your lyric? Yeah. I have too. That I'm just going to say there's so, so many. But I'm going to start with one of my favorite songs ever is by Ray LaMontaine. It's called Empty.

And the line is, I looked my demons in the eyes, said, do your best, destroy me. I've been to hell and back so many times. I must admit, you kind of bore me. That's one. That's solid. So good. And then the second one I'll say is from a song I adore by. Laura Veers.

And she says, my stampeding buffalo stops in her tracks and watches the snow falling through the old oak tree when you give your heart to me. I don't know Laura Veers. I'm going to have to write. That seems like a wrong one. Yeah, listen to that album. I will. Yeah.

And then because he asked one for all of you. Megan, he asked you, what is the best fight song ever? I don't know what fight song actually means. but that's what he asked. You know, there's a few ways you could take that. I think the best fight song that I have personally used is the Kim Petris heart to break because I feel like the girls and I have used that in a lot of times when we're like, okay, we just got to get up, we got to dance, we got to do something.

I remember there being a moment in the early days of the pandemic where like anxiety was like times 200. And so I think it was Ali sent this, sent a video for dancing to that song. It was like, okay, girls, let's go, you know. So I would say, I think probably that is what I would say. If I'm thinking about fighting another person, I feel like that's like fighting for myself. Yeah. I'm thinking about fighting, fighting another person. Right, right. That's a very different vibe. That's another question. Corey, this is the greatest Instagram handle ever. Her name is Corey. Anne and her handle is Coriander.

I love that. Congratulations, Coriander. That is amazing. That is amazing. But Coriander asked, how do you handle the vulnerability hangover of singing your stories? Oh, my God. That's a great question. It's a great question because I'm thinking of like, so I personally have a couple. I mean, we all have songs that are extremely vulnerable. I have a couple. I have a couple. I have a couple. of songs, our song Revolving Door from our last album called Good Luck Kid and then, and then honestly this song called The Sun from our new album that we just released. It's like, I would say having my sisters is a huge reason that I'm able to do that because like I would say the first time we started putting those two songs in a set back to back and I started saying revolving door is kind of like the beginning of the story and the sun is like the now of the story and the first time we did that I got off stage and was like oh my god I want to puke why did I share all of that yeah I'm like it's too much now people know that I'm

talking about the same person you know and one time so this is interesting we have uh we have another song that's coming out actually about the same relationship and it's on the new album and it's about um kind of instead of focusing on like all the stuff that was so bad about it um it's about honoring basically the part of myself that was in it at all because it's really easy to go oh you're so stupid you're so like how did you not see how did you how did you stay for so long but it's like, no, there was a part of me that was totally sane and made all these decisions. And I want to sing a song about her. And so we also have.

Yeah. Yeah. I love that. It's great. Did you get the album? I did. Oh, I love that. I, I've had to like keep it.

It has been so hard to have the album because I got it sent early because we were going to talk. And I'm just like, everybody, you're not ready. It's so good. Thank you. Thank you, Kendra. Oh my gosh. My, my, Andy didn't ask me what my fight song was, but mine right now, honestly, is, it's kicking up the light. Like, I turn that puppy on and I'm like, let's roll. Let's roll. Pee's like, oh, it's so good. It's just the whole album is just magic. It's fantastic. Does anyone else have any? I don't want to cut that off like other answers to that. like how do you handle the vulnerability hangover after your story?

I mean, I just have to say we have an incredible audience. And like the thing that is amazing to me about the people who listen to and care about what we're making is that we get so many people replying and saying like I relate to that experience. You know, and like people listen to the lyrics. And like one thing that's really cool about being a part of this band is like people who can. about Joseph, like, know the catalog. Like, they're not just there for a lot of times, not just there for one or two songs. It's like people pay attention to like the different things that we're saying.

And then we'll write us or say if we get to meet after a show or like we get so much supported feedback saying about people's own stories of being like, oh yeah, that here's my story of like when I went through something similar. And there is no, to me, there is no better feeling than that. like to say like the hard kernel of truth of the thing that's in the middle of your chest that you were able to get out just for yourself and then to have someone hold and receive that and be like yeah like that's my experience as well like I feel so grateful that we get to have that process you know regularly it's amazing we'll be right back well one final question that's kind of

very niche and specific. And it's from Angela Davis who asked how cheerleading launched Natalie's career because she was your high school cheer coach. I love Angela Davis. I haven't talked to her in so long. I think the last time we talked, we texted. I forget what happened. I adore her. She honestly, I love that she wrote in because she was a really important person for me in high school, honestly, because she was so, oh my gosh, just like she made things that were stressful feel totally accomplishable. Like that was one thing I loved. She was my cheer coach for one of my years.

And I just felt like she was such an advocate for me in an environment that felt really high stakes. Looking back, it was a Christian school. And I felt very, like, overwhelmed all the time, trying to. to be that perfect person and all of the ways that I was like, okay, how do I follow all the rules? How do I be the star student? How do I be the example of Christ that I'm supposed to be or whatever it was? Like, sorry, this is a lot, but Angela Davis. Amazing. But she was so just like, I don't know. I felt supported by her in a really like, you don't have to like work so hard kind of way. Like she was a really important person in my

you know one thing she said that is also in that same vein that I think about so often is she was like why do people use toilet seat covers she was like it literally she's like why do we have this fake idea that germs aren't going to get through those so just don't use them I think about that literally every single time I'm going to put a toilet seat cover off so thank you Angela Davis That's incredible. You never know. You never know. You might say that sticks with someone for a long time.

Angela, if you're listening, I love you. I appreciate you so much. Wow. That's so fun. Well, this has been so great. And I want you to know how many people typed phrases like, I'm just teary knowing that they're coming and that I get to hear them talk and like tell them how much their music means to me and how like there's just so many people.

who love you and you know that because you get it from like you know like you said like you know your audience and you have a a really wonderful group of people that listens to you but there are there are people here there's a lovely Venn diagram section that just and I feel the same like I do I feel the same it's just there is a there is a beautiful groundedness and expansion uh simultaneously exist in the music you make. And that's a really unique thing to offer. And so thank you, Kendra. Wow. Thank you for being great. This was so fun. Thank you. So nice. Thank you for having us. Also, your podcast is amazing. I was listening to a bunch. And I was listening to an episode with you and your sister. And I was laughing so hard as I was just doing my kitchen. And I was like,

I just, this is so, I love listening to families talk because it just feels so similar to the girls and I and I don't know. I just feels like you're bringing a really bright light into the podcast world and it's been it was really fun to listen to. So I love what you're doing. I appreciate that. That means a lot. Thank you. Well, I'm going to, uh, I will not be the weirdo in the third row with a bad facial expression. You better not. I'm so excited. I'm so excited. I can't wait. I don't want this comment to make our audience members feel hypervigilant. expressions they're making. Whatever you want to feel.

It's fine. I can regulate myself. That is like, that is, that's why therapy is a beautiful thing, you guys. Because you learn things like that. You know what? I'm not responsible for other people's emotions, nor are you responsible for mine. Nope. Good to go.

It's good to go. That's right. I love it. What a great, what a great note to end on with a band who's like, our therapist really heavily inspired this album. Very true. Very true. Well, that was so much fun.

The most fun. These women are not just great musicians and singers, but humans. Like the loveliest humans. And I so hope you enjoyed our conversation. We'll have links to all the things in the show notes, but please be sure you check out their new album, The Sun, that is available on April 28th. There are already a handful of singles that have been released from that album,

including the title track. the sun, which will make you feel so good inside. I mean, it is. It's just so good. I also love nervous system, a song about how we can calm the storms inside ourselves and be okay. And I'm guessing based on what Megan said that slow dance will also be out by now. And that is a fantastic single about the beauty and even hard relationships. It's just so good, you guys. It's so good. And of course, you can listen to other albums too. Whatever you choose, you cannot go wrong listening to Joseph. even if their musical style is not your vibe, I hope that you have been encouraged by the heart behind what they make, just a really special group of sisters. So thank you so much for listening

to this episode. And until next time, be a genius about the things that matter and lazy about the things that don't. I'm Kendra, and I'll see you on Monday. Have you ever felt like you were living just a B or B plus life? It's so dangerous to live that, more dangerous than a B minus or a C plus life, because when you're living a B or B plus life, You don't change it. You think it's good enough. Is it? I'm Susie Welch.

I host a podcast called Becoming You. People think, okay, an A-plus life is not available to me, but there is a way. We are all in the process of becoming ourselves. Listen to Becoming You wherever you get your podcasts.