The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk - 182: Vinh Giang - Why You Should Make The Leap

Episode Date: December 26, 2016

Episode 182: Vinh Giang - Why You Should Make The Leap Vinh Giang is a motivational/ inspirational keynote speaker and he uses magic as his metaphor when he speaks (He's found a way to make the medicine taste good!). He's built a successful online business that teaches magic to over 41,000 students from all over the world. His business won South Australian young entrepreneur of the year in 2013. In 2016, his online business has just combined forces with 52Kards which is one of America's leading online magic schools, after combining our schools together and many years of hard work they now teach over 500,000 students from all over the world. Vinh's other area of expertise is performance, being a magician and speaker he's spent 80% of the year on stage performing and presenting to people all over the world. Episode 182: Vinh Giang - Why You Should Make The Leap Subscribe on iTunes  or Stitcher Radio The Learning Leader Show "It took millions of years of serendipitous events for you to be here, and now that you are here, you are alive for 80 years on average. When you compare how long it took for you to get here versus how long you are her for... It's like you are alive for 1 minute. It's a privilege to be alive." In This Episode, You Will Learn: Common themes to sustain excellence: The ability to face your fears head on Not avoiding difficult conversations Why Vinh stopped trying to live up to others expectations How David Blaine helped is business The importance of having a speaker reel/highlight video Why you should work with documentary makers -- They are story-tellers The 3 Elements to a great speaker Educate Inspire Entertain You must have a relentless belief that it can be done The power of magic -- It brings out the inner child in everyone You're alive for 1 minute and you've already lived 20 seconds of it... What will you do for the remaining 40 seconds? Why are people so scared to take chances? "Happiness is progress" "We all have the right ingredients... We just need the recipe." Goal Setting -- We need to take time to recalibrate "You're like a glass of muddy water... Until you're still, you won't have clarity." Public speaking -- Why this should be taught in schools from a young age "I've realized the beauty in the unknown. Magic lives in the unknown. The most beautiful things in life are the unknown." Why 5 year plans are not helpful "Don't you think the most addictive thing in the world is comfort?" Continue Learning: Watch Vinh's Speaker Reel: vinhgiang.com Follow Vinh on Twitter: @AskVinh Connect with me on LinkedIn Join our Facebook Group: The Learning Leader Community To Follow Me on Twitter: @RyanHawk12 You may also like these episodes: Episode 078: Kat Cole – From Hooters Waitress To President of Cinnabon Episode 071: Nate Boyer - Green Beret, Texas Football, The NFL Episode 073: Jay Bilas - World Class ESPN Basketball Broadcaster, Toughness, Fixing The NCAA Episode 107: Simon Sinek – Leadership: It Starts With Why Did you enjoy the podcast? If you enjoyed hearing Vinh Giang on the show, please don't hesitate to send me a note on Twitter or email me. Episode edited by the great J Scott Donnell The Learning Leader Show is supported by FreshBooks: FreshBooks is offering a 30 day, unrestricted free trial to my listeners. To claim it, just go to FreshBooks.com/Learning and enter LEARNING LEADER in the "How Did You Hear About Us?" section.

you're singing all the time, you know, whether you're singing, you know, when you talk to your wife, whether you're singing when, you know, you're on this podcast, or when you're, you know, mate, you have an incredible voice, by the way. But like, it's just, life is like a stage. Every morning you wake up, you're singing. Every time you speak, you're singing. So to me, I want to teach as many people as I can this. I fundamentally believe that when we learn how to use this instrument, this is when we start

to build the life we desire. Because communication skills, Ryan, is the bridge that allows us to deliver the value that we have in our minds. Are leaders born or are they made? Our host, Ryan Hawk, believes that leaders can be made through determined, focused work on learning the art and science behind the makeup of other successful leaders. Now it's time to inhale knowledge and exhale success. You're listening to The Learning Leader Show with Ryan Hawk. Hey, and welcome to The Learning Leader Show. I am Ryan Hawk.

you so much for being here. Please join us in our Facebook group, the learning leader community to further the dialogue as we all look to progress to become better leaders. On to the night's episode, it's with the great Vin Zhang. Vin is a keynote speaker, an entrepreneur, and a magician. Go online. Check out his videos. I guarantee they will inspire you. That's how I first became aware of him and why we recorded this episode. A few of the topics we got into, why everyone should create a speaker highlight reel, regardless of your profession. Vin and I discussed this.

Then the importance of your environment and why it's your responsibility to put yourself in the environment to grow and prosper, followed up by the use of magic and why it resonates so well on stage. Ladies and gentlemen, you will love this one with Vin Jang.

All right, Ben, man, I'm pumped to have you here. And the coolest thing about the technology that we have here over Skype is that you are on the other, side of the world. It is Sunday afternoon, and it's for me, and it's Monday morning for you in Australia, and you're waking up bright and early. I really appreciate you being here. So, thank you so much for being here on The Learning Leader Show. My pleasure. We not only have the technology to go speak to someone in a different country, we're going forward in time.

Isn't that crazy? Is that the first time you've done this in the show? You've time traveled, Brian. It's incredible, man. I love it. I love it. So I appreciate you being here, especially waking up nice and early to fit into my Sunday afternoon schedule, but I want to get it going quickly. And my question is around sustaining excellence. And we're going to get into your story. And I absolutely love it. People are going to love it for those who don't know you. But from your traveling the world, speaking all over the place, learning, creating, making your art, doing your magic, everything that you do.

I'm curious, when you've looked up and studied others who have sustained excellence, what are some of the common characteristics those people all share? you know there's a lot of things I can say that I'm sure other people have said before so I'm trying to think of something that people may not have said and I think okay if you visualize this with me I think a lot of people who look at you know success or happiness or whatever it is they want to achieve they kind of feel like they're standing on one mountain and they're about to leap onto another mountain and then they look down and then they see you know financial insecurities they see a lot of arguments they see a lot of fear when they look down the mountain and they're about to look down the mountain and they're going to look down the mountain. And they're scared to make that jump. And I find that in life, we're always jumping from mountain to mountain to mountain. But instead of jumping, I find that people who understand and can sustain success, they don't jump. They actually climb down the mountain, face all the fears that they're trying to avoid. They accept and feel all of those things that they're scared of. And they face it head on.

So they climb one, they climb down one side of the mountain, walk across the bottom and climb up the next. So I think what I'm trying to say is I think it's a willingness to accept all of those things they're scared of and face them and experience them and go through them instead of trying to avoid them. So it's something I've learned a lot in my experience, Ryan, because, man, I spend so much time trying to avoid those things that you actually avoiding them causes more pain than actually facing them. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, expand though on that. What do you mean by that? So one thing I'm always scared of is difficult conversations, you know, whether it be when I started my entrepreneurial journey, the difficult conversation with my parents.

I saw the dream on the other side of the mountain. I kept thinking I had to jump across and avoid all those difficult conversations. I had to avoid, you know, potentially losing all my money, which I did. Like, I tried to avoid all of that by leap. And it made it so much more scary to the point where I never took the leap. So what I find with people who are successful is that they don't leap because it's. if you leap from that height and you fall, generally you give up and you don't try again. But these people who are sustaining success, they climb down.

So I had to have all of those difficult conversations with my partner, my mom and my dad, the people that I loved, my family, extended family members. I had to lose all of my money as well. I had to go through hell. And that's just the climb down. Then you've got to walk across the plateau. You've got to walk across the bottom. So I just feel like there's this misconception that we have to take a leap.

We have to jump. I don't think it's about jumping. I don't think it's about avoiding any of those things. Can you share your story, what you're talking about specifically when it comes to what happened prior to you when you mentioned you had to lose all of your money? I'd love to hear it. Yeah. You know, it's all right.

So I guess if we start from the beginning, I was in university and I was studying commerce in law and I love saying that, you know, I was on my journey to fulfill the Asian prophecy, you know, and I counseled a grown doctor. And, man, I was in a five-year degree, four and a half years into the degree. I tell my parents, I want to quit. And I want to leave university and build a magic school online to teach magic tricks. And to my dad, you have to understand, a guy who grew up in Vietnam, a communist country, you know, to him who was like, you know, what the you want to be Harry Potter, you idiot. And it was just, it was a crazy conversation to have.

And mate, all my life, I knew when I was about 15, I wanted to do this. You know, I wanted to be in the realm of magic. And I was so scared to have that conversation. I was trying to avoid it all my life. I bought it with my parents. I tried to avoid it with my partners. And because I tried to avoid it, I stayed in a relationship for five years, over five years and avoided all the pain I thought. But what I was actually doing was, man, I was creating a

world of pain for myself. Because I tried to live up to everybody else's expectations. I didn't fulfill any of my own. You know, and it was an incredible journey that I was on where I was literally, I was trying to keep everybody else happy except me. And it wasn't until I faced the music until I left the girl. I was with at the time, wow, didn't make a big difference. And that was one of the different conversations. That was me climbing five meters down the mountain. And that's when I went, wow, like, this is actually progress.

Avoiding it was never progress. It's actually facing all of that, then facing with my parents. And the crazy thing is when I told my parents, they actually supported me. So it was this, yeah, it blew my mind. But so then I built the online magic school with mom and dad support. then we Google AdWords took all our money, which was bloody awesome. I didn't realize you could lose so much money so quickly, Ryan. It was crazy.

So then what happened? Obviously, I've done some homework and seeing some of the thousands of students that you have from all over the world when it comes to the online magic. But I'd love for you to share the details there. Yeah, look, so I guess, you know, long story short, because I want to make this about the audience. You know, we built the online magic school. We lost a considerable amount of money, but it was one Google AdWord campaign that made us our money. And if I could share it, it was a really cool little strategy. What we realized was sitting there on the couch.

And one of my mates who was a plumber was watching David Blaine with us. You know the magician, David Blaine? Oh, yeah. And we're watching it. And as he watches it, he goes straight to his phone. And he's seeing David Bain pull a packet of cards into a glass box. and he immediately goes to Google and he searches how it's done. Now, we were sitting there watching him.

We're like, holy crap, how many people do this? How many people are sitting there as they watch David Blaine and then search how the trick is done? So what we did was we downloaded every single episode of David Blaine. We worked out what city was airing, what season, what episode. And every single episode as we watched it, we took notes on what are the key tricks that people might search, used all of those words as key words so that we can buy. them on Google and then after the episode is aired we would buy Google AdWords for those

specific key phrases for the next say week and going from acquiring customers you know a paid customer for 12 dollars 14 dollars we're acquiring them for like a dollar 50 two dollars so all of a sudden we had this great campaign that's the campaign that saved our asses and and from there we built up a school of uh at our peak for encyclopedia of magic we were at just over 50,000 students. But we've combined now with 52 cards, which is another great online magic school, 52 cards with a K. And they've got a massive student base. And together, we've just got over 600,000 students now. So it's an incredible, incredible journey. It's been so fun, but so scary at the same time. Well, Vin, I need to share. I think I briefly mentioned you before

we started recording how I came to know you. And because you, you, you responded with, with a high level of humility, which, as I told you, was very common among some of the greatest leaders I've spoken with. They're very humble. They don't feel like they deserve to be on the show, which is crazy because obviously you do. But Scott Stratton in a Facebook group that we're both in that deals, that's specifically for people who give speeches, had said that your teaser, I don't know what you want to call, your highlight slash teaser video that's on your website, vengjang.com. So it's v-I-N-H-G-I-A-N-G-com, is the best that he had ever seen. And Scott's a professional speaker and has been for many years and has seen probably hundreds and hundreds of

videos. And so I clicked on it and watched it. I just was blown away. I wanted to hire you immediately. But like as I told you, what I typically do when somebody really impresses me, whether I read their book or I watch their speeches or their, you know, I've seen them address their company if they're, they happen to be a CEO. is that I immediately try to find a way to get in contact with them and ask to talk to them via this podcast as the vehicle. And typically it's worked pretty well. And so that's exactly what I did in this case with you.

And you responded with great energy and willingness to do this. And so that's how we came about. So I'd love to learn about your speaking as well as that video, which just I can't imagine how many gigs it's gotten you because it just blew me away. It's probably the best that I've ever seen. And I love to learn your process for putting that together. Yeah, yeah, look, mate, sure. I think one thing that I realized is that with the world we live in today, we have to learn how to storytell effectively. So when I was building that online magic

business, I realized the power of video. I mean, we were teaching so many people all around the world, magic, and we're able to connect with so many people around the world because of video. And I'd meet people who are students of our school and they'd feel like they know who I am. and I felt like wow but this is scary like we're living in a world now I have no idea who that person is they feel like I'm their best friend because I've been watching our video since 2000 and God knows when

and it's just I realized there was this new whole new space and I decided to to do the exact same thing we were doing with that business in the world of speaking so when I got into speaking I thought and I got into speaking accidentally I thought you know what I'm going to bring my video team into speaking as well

so the video that we use, Ryan, they're all documentary videographers. And the reason why I hired documentary videographers is because they storytell, they don't make ads. And I think that's the key difference. If we're making an ad, we're selling ourselves. If we're telling a story, then we're inspiring people to book us instead of just trying to, you know, sell ourselves. We're inspiring them to book us, which I think Simon Sinek speaks a lot about. And he says, instead of manipulating people to book you, you should inspire them to book you.

inspire them to buy your products instead of manipulating them to buy your products. So just following those lines of thought of these great leaders, I thought, you know what? That's an awesome thing. Why? Like marketing in the world today should actually add value, even if it's inspiration. So I just went down that rabbit hole. And one thing I want to be really transparent about is that it's taken me, I reckon probably about 15 to 16 videos to get it to that point, that, you know, what people see now.

And if people saw my first one, they'll vomit. in the back of their throat. Seriously? It makes me want to die watching that. But that's the thing. I think people try to get it perfect right away and they don't understand that making videos that suck is the price of entry

towards moving towards the great trailer. So I paid the price many times, Brian. And if I was to give a little bit more insight and go a little bit deeper, scripting. everything starts from the script, Ryan. I think I put all the focus on, let's get the big cameras, let's get the reds,

let's get the beautiful lenses, let's get the cranes, let's get all these things. And my videographers would sit me down and go, mate, listen, everything comes from the words. Because one particular thing they told me just recently, they kept saying to me, they go, Vin, what you can show, don't tell.

So as we sit down with a script writer, your script writer's going to help you write this beautiful piece and they're going to make you distill your business down to very refined thoughts and words. And that was a great exercise in itself, being a business owner. And then after that, you sit down with the videographers. And then the videographers go, well, instead of saying that, how about we show you doing that? Instead of saying your passion, how about we display your passion through the melody and your voice. And then we created this whole beast.

So the script is where I would say most people don't spend enough time kind of evolving. But that is the meat of it. I think they can apply to not just people who want to be keynote speakers, but in a lot of different industries, that just the impact that these videos can have on whatever it is that you're trying to accomplish, it moves you. I remember after I watched the video, I sat down and I told my wife and I said, you've got to watch this. This guy is incredible. And she's like, I'm guessing you're going to reach out to him. I said, if I already have, of course.

And she's like, wow, I'm blown away. So I think this could apply to people in all different industries, regardless of what you do, you don't have to be an entrepreneur or a speaker. It certainly helps if you're a speaker to have a moving video like this, but it could help in a number of different business areas. Absolutely, because what are you actually doing? You're just amplifying the best parts of who you are. That's what you're doing, right?

And I think every business can benefit from that. Like this one video, Ryan, I mean, look, I don't want to discount, you know, ability to speak and everything on stage, but I can tell you now, that all the bureaus in the US, before they will even agree to meet me as a speaker, and just think of, I'm a speaker, I provide a service. So you may have a service or you may have a product, right? So before they actually meet you or think about your service or product, their first impression generally is either an image or a video or a website, a landing page.

The only reason I have a speaking career in the US and one that's growing is literally because of this video. I mean, the only reason why I'm, managed by an incredible manager in the US is because of this video. It breaks through noise. And I think if you spend enough time on it, it's an incredible, incredibly powerful tool to have in your marketing campaign. But with that said, I will, after watching numerous videos and reading and you have a lot

of video all over your website, if you didn't have the ability to back it up once you got there in person, you would quickly die off. And so that's where let's start getting into some of the content and how you move people when you get in front of them. So I was looking through a number of them. And your most popular talk as label on your website is discussing thinking differently. And the quote, it says, rather a mind opened by wonder than one closed by negative beliefs. Can you share some of that message? Yeah, look, I think the reason that's a really popular talk.

And I just, I know that the reason why I guess my talks are gaining a bit of traction is because three elements must be met. And the three elements are simply, you know, when you go on stage, you have to educate, you have to inspire, but you also have to entertain. And again, this is something from Steve Jobs that he always says when he goes on stage. And that's a philosophy that I followed. So with that talk of mine, I share with people how to imagine. create the impossible?

Like, I think that's a really cool question to be able to answer for the audience, because the audience members, people who are listening to this show right now, you're going to get to a point in your life where you're going to want to do something. You're going to face a challenge that feels impossible. So how do magicians create the impossible? And without being able to show everybody, I guess if you imagine in your mind, to create the impossible, the first step towards doing that is you must believe with conviction it can be done. And I mean, there must be that relentless belief that it can be done. And

then the reason for that is, you know, what I've learned through books and talking to people is that you realize that it's your beliefs that dictate your actions. And then when you dig further, well, where do our beliefs come from? Our beliefs come from the top five people we spend time with. So we can craft the beliefs that we have. So we can craft the person that we become that moves in a very particular direction in life. So to me, it's, that's the talk. The talk is to share with people and to empower people that you can choose who you want to be in the future by deciding who you spend time with today. And these people will bring with them different perspectives, different ideas, different belief system, different skill sets, different attributes that will influence you into becoming the person you want to be in the future, which will then lead to different beliefs, which will then lead to a set of decisions that will lead you to a different destination.

So it's kind of a talk that goes full circle and I use magic throughout it to tell the story because my wife's a pharmacist and she said you found a way to make the medicine taste good. My goodness, that's a great line. So I used it. But that's essentially what it is. So it kind of walks people through that entire little process. Just to share with people that you can do anything and achieve anything you desire. It's all completely within your power. Do you know John Aikoff by chance?

No. He's written a number of bestselling books, a pretty great speaker throughout here in the States. And he started his speaking slash entrepreneur journey, I think it was like age 40-ish range. And he talks a lot about on social media and other places about he, it reminds me of what you're talking about when it comes to going up the mountain and then doing the hard parts going down it. He had a great job, great fan. family, everything. And he just decided, I really want full time. I want to write and speak. That's what I want to do. And his story is incredible to see the success he's had to see what he's done is inspiring to a lot of people because I think a lot of people think, well, you can't do that

if you have a wife and kids and you're 40 years old. You have to do that when you're 23 and you don't have any any responsibilities. I think it's motivating and inspiring to a lot of people. And I think it kind of is in a line with what you're talking about. Well, I need to look this guy up. That's awesome. Yeah, yeah. I could potentially make an intro for you guys because he would love your work as well. But it's a good story.

It goes hand in hand with what you're talking about. A few of the other topics you get into. So, you know, you talk about personal development with a magical twist. Talk to me about, I know it's hard because this would be better if it was visual, but it's just audio for people listening in their cars, driving to work, whatever they may be doing on an airplane. I think it. Talk to me about how you implement magic throughout your speeches that help move people. Well, look, to me, Ryan, magic creates an emotional experience, right? So when most people experience magic, what I love about it, I mean, if, you know, as you're listening to this, think back to the last time you experienced the piece of magic.

And if you haven't yet, then you must. It's so important, I think, because it brings out, it brings out people's inner child. And as a magician, people don't realize it, but as a magician, we all give up wonder. We must give up wonder in a way because we know how the tricks are done now. So the magic in it kind of dies for the magician in a way. And don't get me wrong, there are some bits of magic that still live for us. But the majority of the world of magic, it kind of just crumbles away and dies. And it's kind of tragic and sad.

But then what you realize is the magic isn't what you do with your hands. The magic is actually something that happens in the audience's mind. And that becomes more beautiful. And the magic that the audience can create with their mind is far greater than what you can create in your hands as a magician. So when you kind of make that realization, you start to understand the magic in the audience's mind is their ability to believe in magic. Their ability to believe in something that's impossible. And so when you do magic, you open up that part of people's minds and hearts, that inner child, that part of them that still believes anything is possible, anything can be done. and to me when you open that part of people when you open that part up people become extremely receptive

to the message you're trying to deliver i mean look i'll again i just want to fully be be clear i know that magic is the most fraudulent way to get attention it's the most fraudulent way to get people's uh people to open up and break doors and barriers down but it's a wonderful tool that strips people from all that armor that they wear. So the moment you perform a trick and people go, oh, wow, like, that's amazing. You have them in such a beautiful state now to be able to deliver a strong message. And of course, the piece of magic needs to fit what you're doing as well. It's not like, here's a random trick.

Here's something inspirational. So finding the common thread between the world of magic and the world of business and self-development, that's been a really tough journey. But, I mean, to give you one example, it would be, I mean, if you think about it, why do you fall for magic tricks? I mean, why do people fall for it? And the simple answer is, you fall for magic tricks because you're looking at it from only one perspective your own. So as you're the spectator looking at the magic trick, you're only viewing it from your eyes. So the magicians understand that with that single perspective, they know how to fool you.

Because if you saw it from the magician's perspective, you'd see the solution. But from your perspective, it looks like a problem. So, you know, what I do on stage is I, you know, if you can imagine, I bring one person on stage. I do a trick with them. The person on stage has no idea how it's done. They're laughing like, wow, this is amazing. But the rest of the audience can see exactly how I'm doing the trick. So I kind of show the audience the power of perspective.

See, for the person on stage, they experienced an incredible piece of magic. Everyone else in the audience just saw a gag, saw a gimmick. So I share with the audience, what is magic at the end of the day? Magic is just the problem you can't solve. The person on stage couldn't solve it. Everybody else could solve it. So what does that tell us about problem solving? We need to bring as many perspectives as we can when we're looking at the problems we're facing our life.

We can't just look at it from a silo mentality. So you get that kind of aha moment towards the end that reinforces the point and you use magic to help deliver the presentation to bring all the feels, so to speak. Yeah, that's exactly right. I noticed the quote from your dad. and I wanted to read it and then get your response to help you. Maybe you can go a little bit deeper here. And you obviously know this quote quite well.

You published it, but here it is. Son, do you know how ridiculous it is that you are alive? If your mother or I died in the war, you wouldn't be here. If your grandparents didn't meet, you wouldn't be here. It took millions of years of serendipitous events for you to be here. And now that you are here, you are alive for 80 years on average. when you compare how long it took for you to get here versus how long you are here for, it's like you are alive for one minute.

It's a privilege to be alive. In this life of yours, remember to do what you love and jump as high as you can in life. As long as I am alive, I will forever be your net. Talk to me more about that quote from your dad and how that's helped support you. Yeah, it's so strange having someone read that. back to me. Is that the first time it's happened? Yeah, I haven't had someone else say that to me besides my dad. That was awesome. I was like, Dad. But Ryan, I think my dad has taught me about gratitude, you know, and I think a lot of that, what you just said and, you know, what my dad has always said

to me is we have so many things to be grateful for in our lives. And I think we lose context. I lose context. I'm not sure if, you know, maybe you're listening, times it happens to them too maybe it happens to you Ryan and that that my dad has said it so many times to me it's it's probably caused mental damage but it's it's beautiful in that I always I always am grateful for everything that I'm doing so when I go through hard times it doesn't seem as difficult it doesn't seem as tragic it doesn't seem as as as horrible when I'm going through really really tough times because I remember that it's a it's really a privilege to be alive and it's you've really run the jackpot, right?

Because, and that, to me, that gratitude is really motivating. That gratitude really pushes you forward to make the most of what you have with your time. Because like when my dad says it to me, something that he would always say, and add to that as always, he say, so when you compare the millions of years that it took for you to get here versus the 80 years that you're alive, you're alive for a minute. And if you already live 20 seconds of that minute, you've got 40 seconds left. What will you do with the 40 seconds? to me it creates urgency for me.

And it reminds me that if I counted the number of days that I have left, then I do. And it's quite sickening, but I have less than 18,000 days left to live. You know, and when you work it out based on the average age of 83, that's if I'm lucky enough to not get hit by a bus later today and die. So if I've got 18,000 days left to live to make my impact on this world, it gets me moving. And the second part of the thing, what my dad says, and I love my dad and my mom so much because,

by my dad, by my dad telling me he's going to be my net, you know, that, that helps me jump higher. You know, that, that helps me take risks and live in life. Often, often, often we are so scared to take chances, but because my dad has always been there, it's given me the courage to jump. It's given me the courage to, to leap. And I think that, that's something that we, all should think about in our lives. You know, what my dad made me realize is he's always said that to me. But then what I started to realize was, who's back do I have, Ryan? You know, dad's always had my back.

But I'm getting to the point in my life now where I'm just thinking to myself, well, who's back to I have? You know, and I started saying it back to him, which has been the most incredible experience because it's now pushed my dad to chase his dreams. And I've never thought about this. And, you know, to all the people who are listening now, some, the, the, most beautiful words you can say to someone is to tell them, hey, I know what you're doing, I know what the dream you're chasing. And I just want you to know that I'm always going to be

here for you. If you fail, if you fall, I'll be here. I'm going to be your net. I'll be here. And when you do that for the people around you, watch them flourish. And then I've started doing it in my life and you see your friends, your family members, the people you love. You see them flourish. It's incredible, mate. It's, yeah. What do you, I'm curious. I love that. And thank you for sharing, especially the family stuff is that I'm, I'm a very similar and fortunate position with my, with my parents and family members. They're, they're unbelievably supportive. However, I'm thinking about the person maybe who's not in your or my situation, Vin, where they don't necessarily have somebody that tells them to jump as high as they can because they'll be their net. Maybe they don't

have a net. Maybe they have people around them that are pressuring them to stay in a job they don't like or even potentially relationships that they aren't productive. Like potentially, it sounds like one you were in previous to now. What do you, what's your advice to those people who maybe aren't as fortunate as you are, you or I? Yeah. Look, I, there's no easy way to answer it, but I can only share some of my thoughts. And I learned this lesson in high school. So I moved high school a total of four times because being quite entrepreneurial, I did silly things and buy stuff off eBay and sell them to your friends with double the price. And when they don't pay, you give the bully $50 accounts receivable, didn't know how to deal with it, right? So it said,

but what's interesting about this, Ryan, is that I learned something really powerful. Every time I moved schools, I got to be somebody different. So when I was in the first high school that I was in, there was a mold that VIN would fit in. Vin was the nerd, the kid that, you know, never, He was never funny. He was never confident. He was always being bullied. And when I try to step out of that mold that everyone had built for me, people push me back into that mold.

They go, stop trying to be like Jason. You're not funny. You know, stop trying to be like Zach. You're not an athlete. You're fat. And what's funny is because of that peer pressure, I go back into my mold and I've remained the same bin. But when I changed schools, Ryan, I quickly realized that I'm like, hey, no one knows who I am.

I'm going to be a bully this time. Right? Because no one knows. And there's no mold. And I quickly realized no one knew who I was. And the moment I acted like a bully a little bit, they go, oh, he's a bully. So everyone created this mold that bins a bully. Don't mess with him. I'm like, this is amazing. Right. And then when I changed schools again, I'm like, being a bully kind of sucks because you have no friends and your friends. And I was able to morph and change molds. But the key to it was because I changed my environment completely. So it was a blessing in disguise at the time I hated it because I never had any friends. but it allowed me to reinvent myself. So what I'm getting at is, if you're in a position where you don't have anyone that's supporting you, everyone's pushing you in the wrong direction, it means you need to change schools. It means you need to change environment. You need to change where you are. And unless you make that dramatic change, all the people that are there who have this preconceived

idea of who you are will do everything they can to keep you that person. It's incredibly difficult to break the mold in those environments. Some people are really strong, they can do it. I can tell you now, Ryan, if I stayed in that first school, I would have been that kid. I wouldn't have changed at all. And I wouldn't have morphed into the person that I am today. But the difficult part is moving schools, right? Changing environments completely.

That's the price. And I've had to do that even as an adult. I've had to leave friendships. And Ryan, it's really hard to do these things. But I haven't found a better way. I don't know if it's the best way, but this is the way that I've been able to do it in my life. It makes a lot of sense. Most, I think of any big triumph in any aspect of my life and others that I've seen a lot of the greatest moments or maybe all of them pretty much.

What came before that was a boatload of hard work of doing things. And that's not a sexy term. That's just the way it is. What came before, for example, in my life in athletics, you know, I played football growing up in high school and college and after college, Vin. And when I look at my best seasons, it was always the hardest, toughest, most sometimes not fun off seasons, the workouts, the preparation, the film watching, the, all, everything that led up to it wasn't necessarily that fun. It was gratifying to have the success. But if I didn't do that, then the success, I would have no chance. chance, well, not talented enough to have a chance to be successful without all of the preparation

and the work. And it feels a lot like what you're saying. You had to go through the tough moments of changing schools, of being the new guy, of not knowing anybody in order to get to the place where you are today. Yeah, and environment is key. You know, like if you think about it, if you take Tiger Woods and throw him in a swimming pool, is he world champion? Hell no. He'd lose, right? He'd lose to the average swimmers. So I think he'd be very aware of it. He'd be very aware of your environment, your environment has such a huge impact on who you become and sometimes you need a fresh, clean start. And I have seen people flourish when the moment they change environments. And also have seen people crumble the moment they move to a new environment. But it's for some people,

it takes five changes, three changes. But I can tell you that I know what happens when you don't change environment, you stay in the same place. That's when you settle for mediocrity. that's when you you settle and you no longer dream, you know, and that's it. Another great writer and speaker named Liz Weissman, she was VP at Oracle, did some, has done some huge things in her life. And I remember she told me something that was interesting on this podcast, thought provoking really better word to use or better phrase. And that is when you're in a place too where you get too comfortable or you've got

everything completely figured out, it's probably time to look at what's next. She wrote a book called Rookie Smarts, and really what it's about is why it's important. And the advantages to sometimes being a little bit naive, to being new, to being placed in a new environment. There's a number of different attributes that come from being the new person. And again, that feels like it aligns with your message of, hey, sometimes if you've got something completely figure out as well, you're a little bit comfortable. It's time to get outside of your comfort zone and go challenge yourself if you're looking to sustain excellence over. with a long haul and continuously improve. Yeah.

Well, what a great message. And, you know, don't you think the greatest addiction in the world is actually comfort? You know, we debate whether it's substance abuse, whether it's devices that we're addicted to. But I feel like the greatest addiction that's getting under our skin is comfort. And we just have to realize that. Wow. How do you, how do you, I love that, by the way, but how do you manage leaping outside of your

comfort zone on a regular basis? Again, I think it's environment, Ryan. My friends and my family, people, they're always pushing themselves. And I think it's because of one common thing we all understand is that a big part of our happiness. And everyone's different. So please don't feel like you have to take this belief on board. But to me, happiness is progress. Happiness is me moving towards my full potential.

And I know my full potential does not live within my realm of comfort. So when I'm comfortable for. too long. I become unhappy, Ryan. Like, I get unhappy. I wake up. I don't feel inspired. I don't feel motivated. And what motivates me, mate, is I like pushing myself. It's just something I like doing. And I think it's the, it's understanding at my core that life is really a journey. So cheesy, I know it's disgusting, but it's true. It's just, it's a journey, mate. It's just a journey. And when you accept that fully, like, like fully, I accept that it's a journey. That there's no destination is just a continuous journey you climb down one mountain walk across climb up the next

mountain and you're like oh there's another mountain and then you just do you're constantly doing this and to me when you truly can accept that then you understand growth is a part of that journey and growth is a part of happiness and yeah yeah it's what makes you feel alive you know it's it's another common theme amongst the greats who have sustained excellence is the fact that while they can be happy with what they've accomplished, they always seem to have some sort of constant dissatisfaction thinking that they could do more and they will do more. And I don't know if all of us in this state are completely 100% healthy

because we're always thinking, I could have done more. I could have been better. But that seems to be how the best, you know, get things done and continuously improve, is that they always have a little bit of dissatisfaction and the fact that they feel like they could do more? Yeah, and it's a tough one, because for different people, it will be different, of course, and I respect everyone's view. It's just, just remember that if, you know, if there's nine billion people in the world, then there's nine billion different ways to succeed. And I always look at it as this, Ryan, I believe, and it's something mom has instilled in me as well, is that we all have the right ingredients. We're all made of the exact same stuff.

Doesn't matter where you're from. It doesn't matter what you do. We all have the right ingredients. All we must do is find our individual recipes, right? That's it. That's life. Life is about you trying to find that recipe for happiness, your recipe for success. And here's the key difference.

I believe so much of the unhappiness we feel is because we're copying somebody else's recipe. And we go, oh, well, that's not what I want. This tastes crap. And it's because the recipe is the art form. Scientifically, we all have the same ingredients. But the art form is, well, what are you going to cook with what you have? It's trying to find that recipe.

And a part of my recipe was that I knew that that constant growth, that constant pushing myself, actually brings me a lot of happiness. And it brings out the best in me. So I think, again, just be aware that we all have a recipe that we have to find. And that's what life's about. What about goal setting? I know this is another one of the topics you discuss, and it's very, very important time here as we were wrapping up the year and getting into the new year. Goal setting is a, whether it's New Year's resolutions or at companies, people setting goals and you receiving some sort of a goal to a measurement to hit.

What's your talk and your focus on when you're giving a speech on goal setting? You know, for me with goal setting, I think the first thing I want to say is that I think, I think, we all need to take time to recalibrate. And it's a word I really, really love. Because about six, eight months ago, Ryan, I completely burnt out, mate. Like, everything was going great in my life. Everything was going really well, you know, love my wife and I. Everything was going great. But then, I just, I felt like I crashed because I didn't spend any time for me. And the scariest realization I made Ryan was that I have gone 29 years of my life without spending one whole week by myself. And in making that realization, it was my dad. My dad sat me down and he asked me,

he goes, son, when have you, when in your life have you spent time doing nothing? And I didn't know how to answer that. I was like, ah, dad, you've taught me to not do nothing. I mean, he goes, no, no, tell me, because my dad meditates a lot. And he goes, when have he done nothing? And I'm like, nothing's for losers, dad. And I had this wrong mentality that you've got to go, go, go, go, go. You've got to work, you know, and all this craziness. But what I realized was that I've had goals since I was about 18, 19, or 20.

And those goals haven't really shifted majorly. Like the financial goals, the dreams, the material things I wanted, and all these things I wanted. I haven't recalibrated or re-looked at or looked at my goals or re-evaluated my goals for 10 years. I've been running this race for 10 years without reflecting on, is it still what I want? And I haven't spent time by myself. My wants and desires are so, so heavily influenced by those around me that I've lost track of me. I've lost track of who I am. So to me, goal setting starts a step before that with you reconnecting with you. And it was one of the movie directors. I think Steven Spielberg said this best when he said, I think it was still been spill.

work, I should double check this. But he said, the you, Ryan, the you, you, right, who you are, that person, when that person you speaks to you, that, it only whispers. It doesn't shout from the top of the trees. It whispers to you. And because our lives are so filled with noise from other people, our environment, everything, you get drowned out. And I took seven days, mate, I went away to the mountains in Queenstown, New Zealand where there was no reception. I spent seven days by myself. And he had to tell my wife, there's no other woman. I need to do this because it's for me, she's beautiful and she understands.

But those seven days that I just did for the first time this year has been an incredible help to me goal setting moving forward because I reconnected again with who I am. and that was scary because for the first three days I didn't know who I was and my dad the best analogy he said to me is that you're like a glass with muddy water and until you're still you will not have clarity so yeah I think that's the first step because there are so many goal setting techniques that again you have to find the right recipe that works for you but I would say the one part of the recipe that's common for all of us reconnect with who you are be still

learn how to meditate be still and reconnect with you instead of just running relentlessly with no real idea where we're going what are some of your goals you know my my biggest goal now I've got one key big goal is to teach, Brian. I love teaching. And the area that I want to teach more than ever now that's just, oh, it's like radiating under my skin is I want to teach communication. And for the simple reason that I'll share with you one little quick story. My singing teacher, my piano teacher, I remember the first time I met her, walked into a room, she's an old lady, white hair,

beautifully dressed, very olden, olden way of dressing. And she's just playing one key nonstop. It was something, it was like something out of a horror movie where her head was going to twist all the way behind and she was going to kill me or something. It was really frightening. And she just kept playing one key. And then she stops after about a minute and a half.

She turns around and she goes, how does that make you feel? And I go, no, nothing, just kind of creepy. And then she played this beautiful song called Romance. And then she turns around after about two minutes of playing this beautiful song. And she goes, how do you feel now? I said really sad. And she goes, Vin, most people go through life speaking with one key.

I'm going to teach you how to communicate and speak with the whole piano. I'll teach you how to move people. I'll teach you how to influence people. And that's when I realized that pianists, people who play instruments will train for 10, 15 years before they play in front of orchestras and they share their masterpieces with the world. We all have an instrument, our voice.

And I think it's something that we all need to learn how to play better. Because when we learn how to use our instrument, we'll begin to play songs and melodies that will attract the right things into our lives. You know, it's, and that's something I really desperately want to be able to teach one day. So I'm practicing being a better teacher because that's what I really want. That's something I really desire. So teaching others to get up on stage and speak, the art and the science of it, the process of it, the process. process, the message, everything, or what are you getting at? It's not even for speakers.

I want to teach it to everyday people because you're singing all the time, you know, whether you're singing, you know, when you talk to your wife, whether you're singing when, you know, you're on this podcast, but when you're, you know, mate, you have an incredible voice, by the way. But like, it's just, we're, this life is like a stage. Every morning you wake up, you're singing. Every time you speak, you're singing. So to me, I want to teach as many people.

as I can do this. I fundamentally believe that when we learn how to use this instrument, this is when we start to build the life we desire. Because communication skills, Ryan, is the bridge that allows us to deliver the value that we have in our minds. It literally is the bridge. You can have incredible value in your own head. But if you don't have communication skills, you cannot build the bridge that allows you to deliver any of that value. And because I serendipitously went on the journey of becoming a speaker, I did theatre training, I did singing training, I did all of these different types of training that taught me the value of speaking, of being able to speak. And that's what I really want to do, but I know I'm not ready as a teacher.

So it's why I'm investing a lot of time right now into, I'm still doing a lot of theater and a lot of singing classes to learn the craft, to be able to teach everyday people who don't want to become singers and actors and actresses. But I want to find the common threads that apply every day to help people live a more fulfilling life. And that's something I really want to do. It's on the top of my goal list that I'm nowhere near it. So I'm building up the foundations of what makes a great teacher. Well, Vin, I have to tell you, I can already tell you I'd love to be one of your students.

Move by your message and what you do. I'm serious. By what you do, I don't say this to everybody. and I think also I've noticed from teaching or maybe being a mentor to others, it really reinforces what I've learned. I try to take a lot of moments to sit back and look at transcripts of these episodes, to listen to them. I even have recently released episodes that are highlights of past guests, multiple ones. And I've learned a lot from that. But so I meant that when I said it to you because to see the way that you move,

people and the audience reaction. You know, I think there's getting, being able to get up on stage and give talks and just, just being competent and decent puts you ahead of the majority of the people. And it's really valuable. I've even had conversations with my children's principals and teachers about this. I've asked them this, I, at parent, teacher conference. And now these are they're young, my second, third, fourth grade. And I would just say, hey, how many times per semester are you?

forcing the kids to get up and give speeches in front of their their classmates. And sometimes it's a, I guess somewhat of an off-putting question to teachers, but the good teachers I found love the idea and they implement it even more. Because I've said there's maybe nothing more important they can learn than to get comfortable, getting up in front of people and speaking about anything. Just have book report, whatever. It doesn't matter at third grade. Just get up and get comfortable speaking because for me, I'm constantly trying to

get better in that arena knowing I'll never fully get there, but I want to, I want to try to reach the top of that mountain. And you're so right. It's so important. I think we don't place enough importance on it. And then the common thread, Ryan, again, among these successful people is that the successful and those have sustained it, they've fine-tuned their instrument. They've learned how to play it persuasively.

you know, just think to music. Think to music. I mean, if you listen to a broken instrument and you listen to a person playing an instrument who doesn't know how to play it, you don't even listen to it. You don't even give them the chance to have any of your attention.

But the moment someone picks it up and can play a song, listen to a song that's, just go to YouTube type sad instrumental, then type inspiring instrumental, then type, you know, like, you know, a scary instrumental. It makes us,

feel. And at the root of it, it's teaching us how to make others feel. And just think about how your everyday life will improve. If when you're telling your wife that you love her or your husband that you love them, you sing it with the right melody so they feel it. And I think that's, that's the difference between communicating being a master communicator and just being someone who's just just using words. So, and that's something I, I, I, oh, I fundamentally understand that there's nothing amazing about me. You know, there's just, I've just, I've just learned some things along the way a little earlier than others.

That's all. That's all. And this is the key one. Like, like, yeah, you know, like I've never like imposter syndrome is something I felt immensely in my life because I'm like, I just learned how, I realized this was an instrument that I needed to learn early. That's all. You know, so, yeah.

And if I could share one more thing, right. if you don't mind because it's relevant to goal setting. I've realized the beauty in the unknown as well, only recently, Ryan. This question of what's next and what are the next goals that you want to achieve without realizing Ryan, it's caused me a lot of pain because I felt like I always had to know what was about to come. What's next? You know, what's the next big thing that I was doing?

Magic lives in the unknown. the only reason magic exists is because you don't know how it's done. That's why it's magical, right? If you knew how it was done, the wonder, the astonishment is completely, completely gone. It's diminished. But the reason it exists is because you don't know how it's done. So to me, if you use that same metaphor for life, the most beautiful things in life are the unknown. So if you try to plan everything out in your life, then you leave no room for magic. You leave no room for the serendipitous. things to happen. Like if I if I if I if I stuck to my guns and only did what I was planning to do, mate, I would never, I would have never discovered this beautiful world of speaking. So so to me,

goal set, it's important, but leave some room for the unknown. You know, leave leave some room for magic to exist in your life. Leave some surprises along the way and you have to you have to consciously leave room for that. And that's why I, I, I, really love the mind, you know, the quote, rather a mind open by wonder, because you're leaving a little bit of that space for serendipitous moments for magic to exist. Wow, Vin, I can't think of a better way to close down this episode. So thank you so much for being here. Absolutely loved it. I meant that I definitely want to continue this dialogue as we both progress. I want to learn more from you. Where would you send my listeners to learn more

about you online. Look, if you jump on to Facebook and Facebook.com forward slash ask Vin, ASK, the I-N-H, you'll find my content there. One of the great things about being a speaker is that we get to travel and learn from wonderful people. So my version of podcast is just creating videos and putting them on Facebook and YouTube. So yeah, feel free to connect with me there. And the videos are incredible.

So thanks again for being here, Vin. We'll definitely be talking. I really appreciate it. Hey, my plan. Hey, thanks for having me. I'm super humbled. And thank you, Ryan. It's been nice talking to tonight.

Definitely. All right, man. See you. Well, before you go, hang on. Vin and I furthered the dialogue immediately after officially ending this episode. I think you'll like this bonus 10 minutes from Vin and I discussing the art and science of speaking, theater and singing. It's really cool.

Caps Canadian Association for Professional Speakers. They got me to. They got me to open their event there. NSA want me to open their event next year. And a lot of people are looking at it and going, who the hell is this guy? Who's this bloody Australian, Asian dude? Voice doesn't match his face.

And what the hell is going on? Like, how did he? And this is the biggest thing that a lot of speakers don't talk about because there are a lot of speaker coaches and speaker mentors that make a lot of money from this. And, you know, being entrepreneurial at heart up, I want to disrupt the hell out of it because we don't learn how to become speakers from news reporters and the media industry.

But that's how we're all learning how to become speakers. You learn how to become a great speaker from a singing teacher and a theater teacher. That's where you learn. You don't go to these people who, because, mate, I've been burnt twice. My fault. I've paid 20,000 to do these courses with these speakers. The value of doing it is good from the business point of view. The business lessons I'll learn from them are great.

on how to do business in the world of speaking, but all the things they teach me on how to become a great speaker is a cookie cutter approach that all speakers use. They don't teach me how to become the best version of me. They teach me how to become the best version of what the speaking industry has molded, right? Theatre coaches bring out the best in you. It's much cheaper as well. It's crazy.

And theater teaches you how to become more you. And that's something that like, at the moment I wanted to share that, people were telling me, oh, no, you can't do that on stage, mate, because that's going to be conflict of interest with a lot of the people here who teach speakers. And I'm like, wow, that's crazy. So I just wanted to share that with you because I know, you're speaking and you're in the realm of speak. Like, you know, you want to get better. Mate, I attribute all my success to my time in the theater, to my time with my singing teacher.

Like, my singing teacher would do crazy things. She should sit down, play a really motivational piece of music on the piano and go, speak to this, speak to this. Come on, share a story with me, speak to this. And she would make me speak to it. And she goes, change your melody. And you'd learn how to build a motivational rhythm. Like, and to me, that's where we learn. And that's the kind of breed of communicators.

I really want to help grow. I can't teach you yet, Ryan, because I'm still a student. You know what I mean? So, like, I book theaters to try. try to teach my friends this to try to learn the art of teaching. Just because you're good at it, it does not mean you're a good teacher. Right. So that's another skill I need to build, but that's where I'll point you if you want to build this kind of skill. And the most of the time people go, well, I don't want to learn how to act because I don't want to be fake, but what people don't

realize that the heart of acting is all actors have to reach for a personal experience that allows them to portray the emotion of the character they're playing. The emotion of the character they're playing actually stems from a personal experience. So since you're not playing any other character than you, you learn how to express those emotions with clarity and with comfort. And that's, that's what changes you as a speaker. So, wow. Really helpful. Yeah. Yeah, mate, because I keep talking to other speakers and they're like, oh, hey, I'm doing this speaking course. I'm just like, oh, I want to say something, but I don't want to bust your balls because you already spent the money. Because like me, you know, you feel like an idiot after that.

But I don't know. I just feel compelled to share that with you. And I really want to share it with all the speakers that I meet that, you know, that are a part of our wonderful group online. I think it's so important. Yeah. No, it makes sense. It makes a lot of sense. I appreciate it.

Because I've seen a lot of the different, you know, you get kind of bombarded by some of those coaches. And I feel like I can, I have a somewhat of a read quickly on if. like you said, they're going to have this cookie cutter, like this perfectly processed approach that I feel like a big portion of coaching anybody with anything is really taking a good portion of time and understanding the person that you're coaching, you're teaching, you're helping, right? And not just saying, okay, well, here's my process, just get in line.

I don't know if that would work for me. The best coaches I've had have really done a good job, whether it was in sports or whatever, that did a good job of understanding me. me, how to motivate me, how to push me, how to inspire me, how to make me the best version of me, whatever ability that I had. And that's exactly right. You know, I, it's just, they are the great teachers, you know, whereas we're in a strange

industry where, you know, Scott and I had had many talks about this where, you know, again, again, I really believe it. Just because you're good at it doesn't mean you can teach it. And sometimes I think some speakers fall into. to this realm because they have the gift of the gab, whereas I know I didn't have it to start with. I had to build everything that I learned. And it was very hard, but I had great teachers. So yeah, mate, you know, and I tell you what, you've got a such, you've got such a cool voice. Thank you really. Have you done voice training? Have you done anything like? No.

No. Mate, you're a bastard, Ryan. What type of voice, like, what do you mean by a voice training? Like, what would I, what would I do to help improve? Well, mate. singing and talking is the same thing. So right now what you have is you've got a great chess voice. Like you've got an incredible chess voice, which is great for authority, but you can definitely build on your mix voice and your head voice. The moment you start to build your melody and pitch,

like if I broke it down for you, communication is five things, right? It's your rate of speech. Right? So how quickly you speak, sometimes fast, sometimes slow. That's important.

The second thing is your pitch, which is the different notes that you play, right? And right now you're playing heavily in chest. So if you enhance the notes that you can play, you immediately become more engaging. And so there's rate, there's pitch, there's tone, which is the emotions behind words, that you feel, make sure you feel the words you say.

Another great example of pitch that I didn't mention is, you know, when we talk to our wives, we sound different. Then when we talk to dogs, some reason our voice changes or we speak to babies, right? Yeah. So again, the next thing is volume. By varying volume, you actually can control intensity. And the last one is actually intensity.

And intensity is just the extremities of the first four that I mentioned, the rate, the pitch, the tone, and the volume. So, like, that's all that communication is. It's those five areas. And if you just listen for these five areas, Ryan, the next time you do podcasts or the next time you speak on stage and just be relentless about varying these and playing with it. And yeah, it's the heart of it.

You know, it really will help. How do you think, not to extend this, but it just came to my mind. How do you think you are today versus when you've just got started getting on stage? Like how how? I've got video. I've got video. Like do you look at it and just kind of close your eyes and say, I can't believe that's me? Or were you kind of naturally really good at it?

No, night and day. night and death. It's scary. Yeah. Because, and I don't, I don't mean to say that,

you know, all people who are of an oriental background are not great communicators, but I can tell you that in the Asian community, it's you speak when you're spoken to. Otherwise, be quiet. Like,

it's just a very massive form of respect. You know, you're not allowed to speak when you haven't been spoken to. So as a kid, I grew up barely. I don't talk. I don't talk. Like,

I just, I'm quiet at school. school because it's the best way to go unnoticed and duck and weave all the or the bad people. And that like it has changed my life, Ryan. Like it's and I have footage and I think this is in my heart. Like when I when I went to university, the first thing I wrote down was teaching. But then I changed it the commerce and law because of the cultural pressures. And a lot of people don't know that.

And and it's been the biggest pain for me. And that's why speaking to me, I just believe I would. went back to speaking anyway because it's a form of teaching, but I want to go deeper. I don't want to just talk on stage for an hour and leave, though it's fun and it's incredibly financially rewarding. I want to, I want to go deeper with people with an area that I believe is going to make the most difference. So night and day, and I've got footage to show it. And I hope that inspires people because yeah, when I see it, mate, you know the feeling you get when you have diarrhea? Yeah.

It's goosebumps. It's the nervous. It's the butt. Yeah, that's what I feel. Interesting. But listen to someone who's first learned how to play the piano or the saxophone. That's how everyone, and that's okay. You, if you had this without training, then this is a gift, man.

Yeah. This is, and yeah, wow, you have a really, really nice voice. Thank you. I appreciate it. Now, I'm just trying to, I mean, obviously there's nothing, just like how tall somebody is or who their parents are, just kind of the way. There are certain things that you get that you're lucky or unlucky about and try to be grateful for it and make the most of it. And that's why I move towards audio and people said, why don't you do something like on the radio? And I said, I don't really want to do anything in the radio, but I'd like to do something where I can reach out, speak to my favorite people in the world and maybe help a time.

of other people in the process while I'm also just I mean I run this whole thing so I get to choose who every guest is and nobody if somebody some PR agent says hey I want you to speak to my person because they have a book coming out if I'm not interested I just don't do it and they know we have good relationships I keep good relationships with them but if I don't think they're interesting we just don't we just don't do it and there's you know there's a bunch of people in the line but that's the most enjoyable part about this is the fact that everybody that I speak to it's my choice. And you can tell if you if interviewers mail things in. And so I just can't do that. And so it's neat that I get to, you know, meet interesting people like you who make me think a lot and give me

great practical advice as well. In the meantime, it's the best of all the worlds for me. So, man, I'm serious. I really appreciate it. And I want to, I can't wait to continue to see all the all the work that you do, especially over here in the States. And I'll be I'll be bugging in a little bit, reaching out to you. Stay in contact, man. Hey, please do. And when I'm ready to share what I've learned, if you want to be a guinea pig, mate, fantastic.

I'm in. I'm in. You don't even need to ask. I am in. Definitely. Seriously. I don't, I mean, I don't say that lightly. I just, like I said, your works moves moves me.

So I think if I could potentially, I think I've done some of that on a very small scale when I get up on stage. But I have so, you know, I'm not even close to halfway up that mountain. So if I can, if you could be a guy that helps me, I would, I would be on demand. So I'm serious. I really mean that that'd be a lot of fun for me. Yeah. Well, I'm just listening to you intently. You know, after I've just wanted to pay more attention to you, mate, you really do have,

if you've never trained before, you've got something. And as you enhance this, you enhance it as a speaker. Seriously, you will. So, yeah, it will be an incredible opportunity to be able to work with you too. So yeah, man, like this is what I just quickly before we go. Next year, I want to hire a nice theater in the States and just get like a group of speakers from speak and spill. You know, no fee. I just want to bring everyone together and let's work on the theater.

Let's work on the voice. Yeah. I mean, and, oh, mate, I'm just so itching for that. I love it. So. Love it. Well, cool, man. I'll let you get your days started as I kind of wind down with dinner with my family.

So I really appreciate it, though. This is cool, man. Next all I'm going to give you Yeah, what was it? I was going to say, by the way, I'll let you know when this is coming out. I'll shoot you an email with the link and everything. So when it's coming out,

I got a little bit of lag because I have some travel coming up, but I'll let you know for sure. No worries at all, mate. Hey, have a great Christmas and I'm sure we'll speak again soon. Sounds good. Thanks, Ben. Thank you, Ryan. Cheers.

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