The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk - 186: Jason Van Camp - Green Beret: 300 Kill/Capture Combat Missions - Comfort In The Uncomfortable

Starting point is 00:00:00 I feel like a fraud all the time. Jason, do you ever feel like a fraud? And she kind of put me on the spot. And my original reaction was, no, I don't feel like a fraud. I feel very authentic. But I went home and I started thinking about that. And I was kind of thinking to myself, maybe I am a fraud. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:00:20 I'm like, I don't have all the answers. I don't know everything. I'm constantly learning. I'm constantly improving. And so that was another self-awareness moment for me where I started thinking about being a fraud and being an imposter and how some people could view themselves in that way. Are leaders born or are they made? Our host, Ryan Hawk, believes that leaders can be made through determined, focused work on learning the art and science behind the makeup of other successful leaders.

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Starting point is 00:01:55 To claim it, just go to freshbooks.com slash learning and enter Learning Learning. in the How Did You Hear About Us section? Hey and welcome to The Learning Leader Show. I am Ryan Hawk. Thanks so much for being here. I am truly honored to speak with our featured leader tonight. It's Jason Van Camp, Army Ranger, Green, Bray. He's what Malcolm Gladwell would refer to as an outlier,

Starting point is 00:02:26 an exceptional person and incredible leader. He led his team on close to 300 combat missions to kill or capture high-value targets, as well as created and commanded one of the largest foreign internal defense forces in United States history, training nearly 4,000 Iraqi and Kurdish soldiers in hand-to-hand combat. This guy is unbelievable. It was truly my pleasure to speak with him. A few of the topics we got into going from Army Ranger to Green Beret in the process and everything it took to make that happen. then how all of us can get comfortable with being uncomfortable, then the message Jason shares when he presents to professional sports teams and corporations.

Starting point is 00:03:12 You will love it. Again, I'm honored to speak with Jason Van Camp. All right, Jason, I am absolutely honored to have you here on The Learning Leader Show. First, to get this one kicked off, I have to thank you for your service to our country. I'm very proud of the country that we are fortunate enough to live in, and you are one of the guys who have taken it to the enemy and protected us. So first of all, thank you very much for your service to our country, and welcome to the Learning Leader Show.

Starting point is 00:03:49 Ryan, it's a pleasure to be here. Thank you for saying that. It's my honor, as a matter of fact. And always got to appreciate the appreciate, man. So that means a lot. Thanks so much for saying that. Definitely, man, definitely. And so we're going to get into your story,

Starting point is 00:04:01 but you've spent a great deal of time around other incredibly high-professional, performers, people who are the best in the world at what they do, whether it's from a military perspective or even in the business world as well. Now, and I'm curious from your perspective, what are some of the common themes or characteristics you found in those people who have sustained excellence over an extended period of time? That's a great question. It's something that I've thought a lot about. And what it comes down to for me is, is number one, simplicity.

Starting point is 00:04:33 the people that have been able to sustain success for a critical amount of time is people that really break it down into the simplest form what do I need to accomplish how do I need to do it what tools do I need to get there and secondly what I've found is people that are successful are people that really know who they are and they don't try to be someone different they're very authentic and they're very loyal and they don't try to essentially pivot or change themselves, they're very, very much aware of who they are. And it's just an unbelievable skill that I've really looked at and I've really resonated with. You know, as we talked about Nate Boreen in the fast,

Starting point is 00:05:16 Nate's a guy who really knows who he is and what he wants to do. And no matter what he does, he's successful at it because he really adheres to that core principle. And that's something I've looked at. I've really realized through my relationship with Nate Boyer. and then I've looked at it in other people and I've said to myself, that's that's kind of the key. That's a secret to success is really knowing who you are. How do you develop that?

Starting point is 00:05:43 I mean, because you know what I found? Because I mean, Gary Vaynerchuk and I talked a lot about this as well in this podcast that self-awareness might be the most important attribute in someone who wants to sustain excellence. And obviously, I certainly agree. But there are certain people who, you know, the terms that my dad and I have used and he taught me this was there's there's consciously competent and there's consciously incompetent and sometimes unfortunately there's unconsciously incompetent meaning that they're not very smart but they don't know it and so so their awareness levels are quite low and sometimes they think they're the smartest

Starting point is 00:06:21 person in the room and they're really not so how do you develop that skill of becoming more self-aware That's a great question. So you can't become old and wise unless you were at one point young and stupid. You get to that point through experiences. And a story of mind that really kind of opened my eyes that gave me that epiphany moment was when I was going through the U.S. Army Special Forces Assessment and Selection, SFAS at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. One of the events that they made us go through, at least the officers had to go through this event, was something called the situational awareness reaction exercise. Essentially what they did was they lined us up and they didn't tell us anything and we essentially couldn't talk to each other. And one at a time they brought us into a tent. And in that tent, they gave us a mission that we were being inserted into a fictional country called Pineland. And we were told to gather intelligence on the composition and disposition of enemy forces.

Starting point is 00:07:23 And they sent us out through this obstacle course, and it was a role-playing experience, along with the psychological evaluator, to determine whether or not we had the intangible skill set required to move on to the next stage of earning your green beret. And so I went through this experience, and it was unbelievable. I learn more about myself than I have at any other point in my life. And what happened was, is you're going through this obstacle course. The psychologist is watching everything you do or don't do. They're making notes and you meet these role players.

Starting point is 00:08:01 And when you get to these role players, they either can be very tough and difficult and hard sell you, essentially force you to make decisions you don't want to, or they try to be essentially a soft sell, which means that they're very nice and complimentary, and they try to sweet talk their way into making you do something you don't want to do. And when I went through this, I stopped and I said to myself, okay, what is really going on here? Who is this guy that's talking to me? And what is his motivation? And who's this guy over here? And what are they doing?

Starting point is 00:08:35 And what's going on in this fictional country? And I started asking all these questions. And when I got back to the final objective, which is the tent, where we originally got our brief, the commander there said, all right, where were you? What did you do there? Who were the major role players there? And it made me realize when I went through that experience, they weren't looking for a very simple composition and disposition of enemy forces.

Starting point is 00:09:03 They were looking to see if you could really build rapport, if you could learn how to negotiate, if you could gather real intelligence in order to make a real life decision. very similar to what they would do to you once you earned your Green Beret and you went into combat. And my reaction to that was I didn't know what was going on. I want to find out. And so I asked a lot of questions. And I listened and I tried to puzzle things together, tried to problem solve. And that's what they were looking for.

Starting point is 00:09:33 At the end of the day, we got back to the main center and all the guys, all the officers that went through this event, we all kind of got together. We were like, hey, man, that was crazy. What did you do? How did you perform? What decision did you make? here. And it was so interesting to see how different my decisions were from the other people. And it was just an eye-opening experience and epiphany moment for me. And it was such a self-awareness moment where I said, wow, I can't believe I made those decisions at that time. And some of the

Starting point is 00:10:01 decisions were, hey, you're going to, you have a choice to either let people sell drugs in front of you or let a beaten woman cry for mercy. You know, like you've got two options. You can either save the woman or you could, you know, do the other thing. So, um, very difficult decisions that were at this, at that time, um, an eye opening experience for me. And that was really, really cool for me to, to see how I performed and really strive for other opportunities in life to see what I would do, to really get to know myself and who I am. How did you do in comparison to the other guys? So what they told us was there was, there was, there was, no right or wrong answer. Really, there was just your decision and why you made that decision.

Starting point is 00:10:50 So when you came back and you said, I did this and they would ask you why. And if you answered, well, I was scared, I didn't know what to do and I just got flustered, well, that was a wrong answer. If you said, I made this decision and these are the reasons why I made this decision. And it made sense to me to do this because of this, this, this and this. And the second and third order effects are this, this and this. And they said, okay, well, you thought it through. You didn't get flustered. You remained, you kept your composure.

Starting point is 00:11:19 And they listened to each and every answer specifically. So that's kind of how they assessed it. So I'm going to maybe rewind a little bit or maybe just get some clarification from a military respect because I have obviously massive respect but have not been through it myself. I did consider looking at the academies coming out of high school when I was going to play football. I know you played football in college as well, and I elected instead to go to Miami University out of high school instead of West Point or the Naval Academy or Air Force, where I was also looking. So you went to West Point and played football, and then you got, you get done and you became, you volunteered to attend U.S. Army Ranger School. And so, but then after Ranger School, that's when you earn your Green Break.

Starting point is 00:12:08 Can you explain just the, the order. or the manner in which you become a ranger and then a green beret? Sure, yeah, no problem with that. So I graduated West Point and you go to an officer basic course. And when I was there, they had some rangers show up during our officer basic course. And they said, if you're interested in becoming a ranger, we're doing ranger physical training, Ranger P.T. tomorrow morning at 0.5.

Starting point is 00:12:39 And honestly, I had no desire to do it. I said, no thanks, man. I'm not interested. My good friend Andy Reese, who I played football with in college, was there. And he was like, Jay, I'm going to do it. I said, you're going to do it? He said, yeah, man. I was like, okay, well, shoot, man.

Starting point is 00:12:57 Like, if you're going to do it, then I'm going to have to do it too. And so I show up at 0.05, and there's no Andy Reese there. You know, so I'm like, damn it. You know, like, awesome. And so they just absolutely smoked our bags for two hours. And they smoked our, smoked us for, you know, they really made it difficult to physical training for about four months. Every day, not counting the weekends, at 0.5 for about two hours, we just train.

Starting point is 00:13:24 And I, you know, the next day I said, Andy, where were you, man? He's like, oh, dude, 05 came so early. I was just so tired. I didn't want to do it. And so the next thing I know, like I'm on a bus going to Fort Benning, Georgia for Ranger School. And once I got there, it was awesome. You know, of course, it's incredibly difficult, but it's an experience where you're on your own. And you can, you go there really in three phases. So they have the betting phase, which is kind of the introductory. You have the mountain phase where

Starting point is 00:13:54 you go to Delanooga, Georgia, and then they have the jungle phase where you go to Florida. And then if you complete all of those phases, you graduate. And the quick as you can graduate is about two F months. And the great thing about Ranger School is that the only way that you can fail is if you quit. So they're not kicking you out. They'll just recycle you. Even if like you're a really slow runner and the like long miles that you guys run? In the very beginning as we're doing our physical training assessments, if you don't.

Starting point is 00:14:27 So like really the first or second day, if you don't do the required number of push up, sit ups, pull ups, two mile run and five mile run. and then you can't continue. But once you finish that, the only way that you'll get kicked out is if you quit, which I love. Yeah. And so I did that. I quickly learned that in the Army,

Starting point is 00:14:49 having a Ranger tab opened so many doors for you. And it was a great thing to have. Kind of a similar story. Another friend of my, Jesse Waters, who was another West Point Army football player, said, Jason, I want to try for special forces, man. What do you think?

Starting point is 00:15:06 And I was like, man, I don't know. Those guys are crazy, man. I said, let's do it. Me and you. Let's do it together, man. It'll be a blast. All right, man, let's do it. So I turn in my packet, which is, you know, just some information, your resume, so forth, nothing, nothing too crazy.

Starting point is 00:15:22 And they either select you or they don't. If you get selected, then you get to go to Fort Bragg, North Carolina. And there's a six-phase process to earn your green beret. So the first phase is selection, which it varies from course to course. When I went through, it was about a month. And then the second phase was called essentially what you do is you do ambush and raid techniques, and you're out in the mountains and you're doing patrolling and so forth. Phase three is a classroom phase.

Starting point is 00:15:50 So if you're an officer, you go through about a year-long classroom phase where you're learning all the intricacies of being a Green Beret officer. Phase four is what they call Robin Sage, which is like role playing, a month and a half long role playing exercise, which is unbelievable. They have actual cities and towns in North Carolina. The entire populace is hired to be role players in this scenario. Really cool stuff. And phase five is Sears School, so survival evasion, resistance, and escape. And it's, you know, you get to be interrogated. You get to run away from people chasing you and evade, and you get to be a prisoner of war and learn how to do that

Starting point is 00:16:30 sort of thing and it's just fascinating. So the difference is when you go to combat, being a ranger, you essentially have a college degree and you're a door kicker. You can kick down doors with the best of them. Being a green beret, you have your PhD. And what that means is you train indigenous forces to kick the down, kick the door down for you and you follow in after the fact. Okay. Yeah. So, and then you, so you, so you, you like, led your team then on close to 300 combat missions to kill or capture high value targets when you were deployed. Can you, I mean, whatever you're allowed to explain. So that number just seems staggering to me that you led 300 missions going after high value targets.

Starting point is 00:17:20 When was this? Where were you? Again, obviously only share what you're allowed to share, but I love to learn more about that. No, absolutely. I don't know the exact number. That's the number that was put on my officer evaluation report. So just to be clear about that, I was deployed three times to Iraq. And the first time was during the initial invasion back in 2003, 2003, 2003.

Starting point is 00:17:48 And eventually we went from Kuwait all the way up to Mosul. And I was on the border between Syria and Iraq. And there wasn't a whole lot of operations going on. More or less, the Iraqi army had surrendered. There was some insurgent activity and some things like that that we had to deal with. Our unit was part of the group that went after Uday and Hussein in that area. My second deployment was actually my first as a Green Beret. And we were stationed in the central Iraq, more or less, just a little bit north and east of Baghdad.

Starting point is 00:18:27 close to the Iranian border. And that was a very difficult mission set. The majority of the missions that I, the 300 were part of that, where we went out almost every day on some sort of patrol or some sort of mission. Very difficult deployment for our team. We lost essentially the second day we were there. My Humvee got blown up and two of my guys got injured. pretty significantly.

Starting point is 00:18:59 They both lived. My 18 Bravo, Scott, he was in the turret of the vehicle, and he was literally ejected 100 feet down the road. He landed on his rifle and snapped his M4 and 2. And he had

Starting point is 00:19:15 broken back, he had a concussion, and when we got to him, he was trying to put his weapon back together to fire, which of course it couldn't do. But, you know, he was just a rock star, just a stud, and Zach, he was in the front seat and he broke both of his wrists.

Starting point is 00:19:31 His arms essentially folded all the way back to almost snapped off his arms. It was crazy. And then my team sergeant got shot in the leg on a later deployment and we lost our 18 Echo, our engineer sergeant, he got shot in the head. And then our interpreter also got blown up in an I and D explosion. So that was a rough one for us. The third deployment, we were very, we're in the southern Iraq down south and Shia land. And that was more of a high precision target set down there where we would go after specific individuals and air assault missions with helicopters or set up, you know, precision strikes, things like that.

Starting point is 00:20:16 Wow. So you get done with that and you come home after the third deployment and that was it for you? The third deployment, I get promoted to major. When you get promoted to major, you no longer can be on a team, essentially. So you get elevated to a different job. So the job that I received from my group commander was the assistant S3, which is the operations officer or group headquarters, which is a sought-after position. So although it's sought after, really what I'm telling you is I sat in a basement office. doing slideshow presentations for about a year.

Starting point is 00:20:56 And I, you know, briefed the boss and dignitaries who came in and so forth. So a high-profile position, no longer a door kicker, no longer an operator, which is tough for anybody. And from there, they essentially let you go pursue other opportunities. And I went and pursued an opportunity to get my MBA. And I went to Brigham Young University in Utah to do that. Okay, and so we're kind of going down the path here. So then as we get to it, share what exactly it is that the company that you started and co-founded with Nate Boyer that you're working on right now.

Starting point is 00:21:36 Yeah, absolutely. So our company is called Mission Six- Zero. And we're very excited about this company and how it kind of materialized was through Nate Boyer. So Nate and I went through selection together. and we were in 10th Special Forces Group in Colorado together. We were in Iraq together, although we were on the same team. And they came over to my house one day. And we were hanging out.

Starting point is 00:22:00 And he's like, hey, Jay, I'm going to tell you something. I don't want you to tell anybody. He said, okay. He's like, well, I'm getting out of the military. I said, you're getting out, buddy. He's like, yeah. I was like, well, if you're going to get out, man, I want to make sure you have a plan that you're going to do something with your life.

Starting point is 00:22:15 What are you going to do? And he says, I'm going to go back to college. And I said, fantastic, man. Well, what college are going to go to? And he said, you know, I'm thinking about going to USC or University of Texas. I'm like, all right, why? He said, well, they have the two best college football programs. I'm like, Nate, man, like, you can't just go to college because they have good college football, man.

Starting point is 00:22:36 Like, what are you going to study? What are you going to do? He's like, no, you don't understand. Like, I'm going to play college football. I'm like, you're going to play college football. He's like, yeah, man. I'm like, Nate, you're 29 years old. He's like, I know.

Starting point is 00:22:48 I'm like, you're 5'8. He's like, I'm 5'9. I'm like, all right. I'm like, you're 165 pounds. He's like, yeah, I know. I'm going to do it. I said, all right, man, I love it, man. Okay, what did you play in high school?

Starting point is 00:23:02 He's like, I didn't play football in high school. He didn't play in high school as a nod. What did you play when you were a kid in? He's like, my mom wouldn't let me play when I was a kid. I was like, okay, so he'd never played football before. He's like, you know, like in the parking lots and stuff, I'm like, all right, fair enough. I'm like, all right, then, what can I do?

Starting point is 00:23:22 He said, well, you played college football. Help me out, man. Show me the way. I said, all right. Well, first thing is, man, you got two options. You can be a slot receiver or you can be a strong safety. Let's focus on that. He's like, love it.

Starting point is 00:23:35 What's a slap receiver? All right, man, we got a long ways to go. You know, so I helped Nate out, and he got accepted in the University of Texas, and he walked on to the football team in the spring, you know, the story how he tells it, I love it. Last day of spring ball, you know, there's 200 walk-ons on the team, and he makes the last day of spring ball with one other guy, a walk-on punter. And he's in the middle of the field, and Coach Brown and the Strength and Conditioning Coach come out,

Starting point is 00:24:05 and they say, all right, guys, we're only going to take one walk-on. Here's what we're going to do. Six laps around the field. The first guy to make back wins a spot. And so the team, the entire team takes off. And Nate lapses the entire team twice. and gets back to Milva Field and coach says congratulations

Starting point is 00:24:21 Nate you made the University of Texas football team and so I love that story and they told me that and I said alright man well I'm going to come down your freshman year and see a game and the year before Texas had gone to the national championship and they had lost but they still were a phenomenal program and when I came down to see Nate on Veterans Day

Starting point is 00:24:42 Texas was they weren't doing so well I think there were four and seven that year, if I'm not mistaken. And come down on a Veterans Day. And Nate runs out onto the field with the flag. They do presentation on the field where they recognize Nate. He's on the Jumbotron. He gets a stand ovation. Like, I'm fired up.

Starting point is 00:25:04 I'm like so proud of Nate, so proud of this guy. And after the game's over, we hang out and we spent some time with the team and everything. And I'm kind of teasing Nate. I'm like, hey, bud, last year you guys. go to a national championship this year you guys are four and seven they boy comes to town you guys are four and seven you know and he's like yeah i know man i know and i'm like well what's the problem he's like you know what we have the same essentially the same team as last year we're missing a starting left tackle and a quarterback you know and defense is roughly the same offense is essentially the same

Starting point is 00:25:40 and we're four and seven i'm like yeah no man like what's the deal? deal. And he goes, you know, I've been in special forces and I know maturity, I know mental toughness, and I know leadership. And I'll tell you right now that the difference between going to a national championship last year and what we have this year is leadership. And I said, it's pretty powerful, Nate. And he said, yeah, you know, what do I do? And I said, well, you're a leader, man. I know you are. Do something. He's like, well, it's tough, man. I'm a walk-on 30-year-old freshman. I have to establish myself first before people will listen to me. And so that it got us talking, you know, Nate and we said,

Starting point is 00:26:22 what if we brought our special forces skill set to athletic organizations, professional athletic organizations, collegiate athletic organizations? And I think there would be real value in that. And so we came up with an idea for a company, and we originally called it Mission Essential. And we came up with a great business plan, which we thought would make us a lot of money. And I started cold calling professional sports teams. And that's how we started it.

Starting point is 00:26:55 And we got an opportunity with the New York Jets where they answered the call and they said, you know what, I like you, Jason. I don't know you. But I'll tell you what, on your own dime, you can come up here to Florin Park and present to the GM, Mike Tanibom at the time and the head coach Rex Ryan. And just so you know, we have several other companies pitching to us trying to land a contract. And so we went up to New York and, you know, we pitched. And I said, if we're going to pitch, we're going to bring our A game.

Starting point is 00:27:25 And so we exposed our hearts and not the fact the head coach called us up. And a few days later, I said congratulations, Jason, you guys got the contract. And that was our first contract as a company. And since then we've been working primarily with professional sports organizations and a few corporate clients. and a few corporate clients, and that's our business. Wow. What was the first contract for? How much?

Starting point is 00:27:47 I think we made just over 60,000 for that one. And what does it entail? What did you provide for that 60K? So with the Jets, the year before, Santonio Holmes, who was the wide receiver, wide receiver for the Jets, who was captain the team. And the year before, the last year,

Starting point is 00:28:10 team the season against the dolphins, the offensive line during the game refused to let San Antonio win the huddle. I remember that, yeah, because he's from Ohio State, yeah. And it was, it was, I mean, a disaster. You're talking about team culture, you're talking about leadership, accountability, all those things. And Rex Ryan said, listen, here's a deal. Last year, I empowered the wrong people to lead my team.

Starting point is 00:28:38 I don't know if I have the pulse of the team right now. I think I do, but I don't know. Maybe people are telling me one thing to my face and doing something else in the locker room. And so he said, this is what I want, Jason. I want you to tell me who the real leaders on the team are. And I want you to tell me who the people are in the team that have the potential to be leaders, who we can cultivate. And so that was his guidance to us.

Starting point is 00:29:08 And so we did an event only with the coaches. And that was a day-long event where we went out to Woody Johnson's farm and utilized his land, which was fantastic. And we did, I'll talk more about what we did there. And then we worked with the players just before the last preseason game. And then we got called back during the season to do continual training. So it was a year-long contract, and it was just a blast. And we loved those guys to death. And it was just huge for our company.

Starting point is 00:29:46 It was huge for our confidence. And it was just so much fun. Did you – because this is the first client, you're cold calling guys, right? And this is your very first client. At this point, is it just you and Nate? So I looked at guys in our community that I respected and I loved. And I just looked at as I want to be a leader like this guy. And I didn't have, I don't have any children.

Starting point is 00:30:13 But I said, if I ever had any sons, I would just want to put my sons in a room with these people and just let them soak up everything that they are. Oh, there's special forces guys. You mean by community. Is that what you mean? Right. I'm sorry. Yeah. The special forces community.

Starting point is 00:30:27 And then other West Point community and other communities I've been involved in, just people that I've connected with throughout my life that I really respect. And I'm loyal to. and I love. And so I talked to these people and we had roughly 20 of these guys and girls. And I said, would you be interested in doing this? And essentially they worked as contracted contractors. You know, so we bring them in, we pay them some money and we'd ask them to create a class on a topic that they're very passionate about.

Starting point is 00:31:00 You know, and a lot of the people that we brought in were wounded vets. so guys that were going through a difficult time and it was great for them because they had an opportunity to get back on a team with their brothers again and we don't treat them any differently than we did when they were not injured you know and they and they love that and they respect that and then they share their story which is very cathartic for them

Starting point is 00:31:23 and then not only that it's like unbelievable for the people that are listening because it's real it's authentic it's actionable it's powerful and so that was a really successful model for us. And, you know, so we did our first event with the Jets players. And I love this story. Matt Slauson, who was a left guard for the Jets at the time. I think he plays for the Bears now.

Starting point is 00:31:48 Great guy. So I came up to Matt and I said, hey, Slaw, what do you think, man? We just did our first event. How did it go? And he said, Jason, it was great, man. Let me tell you this. You see this guy over there? and he pointed, we're all sitting down underneath this tent,

Starting point is 00:32:07 and he pointed to Jeff Cumberland, who was the backup tight end for the Jets at the time. And I'm like, yeah, I see him. He's like, that's Jeff. I said, okay. He's like, he's a tight end. I'm a guard. We literally play next to each other,

Starting point is 00:32:23 like a player away from each other. He's been on the team for four years with me. You know, the first time I've ever said a word to the guy, five minutes ago. like wow and I was like you know what slaw you guys talk about family you guys talk about brotherhood

Starting point is 00:32:43 you guys talk about all these things I've heard Rex and all your coaches talk about but let me ask you this man how are you going to fight to the guy to your left and to your right if you don't even know who this person is how are you going to talk about family and brotherhood if you don't even know who this guy is

Starting point is 00:33:00 where he comes from what his motivation is nothing that you're absolutely right so that's one of the team bonding team building experiences that we offer i love that testimonial so so yeah so you help develop the trust amongst the team open up lines of communication uh show members of the team um so they get to know each other they can show how much they care i could i could absolutely see how this could have a positive impact on a team especially in the NFL where I have a little bit of experience speaking with guys who've played and the fact that it can be at times of me first league given the potential for huge contracts, the fact that they're not necessarily guaranteed so you could be cut at any time so guys can be out for themselves.

Starting point is 00:33:50 I think that's a really interesting story and certainly a great testimonial. My question for you though, and then maybe this, I'm curious, sometimes I think, think when people get their first kind of big shot or their first big contract or their first really big promotion, let's say they work in a company, they're quite nervous that they have something called maybe the imposter syndrome where they don't feel like they deserve to be there. Did you feel that at the beginning at all? Were you concerned like, wow, how did I get this $60,000 contract when I haven't really done this yet with a group?

Starting point is 00:34:24 And now here I am with a professional football team. That's a great question. I'm going to say not at all for me. I am all about this story. You know, when I was younger, when I was a kid, I remember being in my grandparents' house, and my dad and his brothers, all my uncles were sitting around. They were telling stories.

Starting point is 00:34:47 They were telling these hilarious stories about life and about things that they've done in the past and their experiences in the military. And I remember sitting there wanting to contribute, you, but I couldn't. I didn't have anything to talk about. You know, and I said to myself at a very young age, very, very young age, I said to myself, one day I'm going to have more stories than all these guys. I'm going to live my life in a way that I collect stories. And I've done that ever since I was a kid. Like, I tried to collect stories. And so this Jets experience was a story for me.

Starting point is 00:35:22 And I didn't think of it as being, I was a fraud or an imposter until later on, we were in a in a group setting in New York. And this female CEO asked me the same question. And she said, I feel like a fraud all the time. Jason, do you ever feel like a fraud? And she kind of put me on the spot. And my original reaction was no, I don't feel like a fraud. I feel very authentic.

Starting point is 00:35:49 But I went home and I started thinking about that. And I was kind of thinking to myself, maybe I am a fraud. You know what I mean? I'm like, I don't have all the answers. I don't know everything. I'm constantly learning. I'm constantly improving. And so that was another self-awareness moment for me where I started thinking about being a fraud and being an imposter and how some people could view themselves in that way.

Starting point is 00:36:13 I typically don't, but I can see how people do. And so when I ever start to talk about things that seem inauthentic, I try to stop myself and say, you know what? do I really know what I'm talking about with this subject? Or could I introduce this person to someone who does know what they're talking about? So that's a great question. What do you say to that? So this podcast, just to give you a little bit of background, I told you prior to this recording, but it started out of my innate curiosity and my desire to learn from the greatest leaders in the world.

Starting point is 00:36:46 And it gave me a platform to reach out to them, right? You and I probably wouldn't be talking if I didn't have this podcast because I would have sent you a email or some sort of request. and you'd be like this random guy wants to talk to me. But now that, you know, recording it, we're putting it out there. It does some good for both of us here, right? Well, people who notice it, you know, maybe they're an event organizer or they work at a big company and they need a speaker. They start sending a, you know, I get inbound request, right?

Starting point is 00:37:12 Without making any type of outbound request, they're saying, hey, will you come and basically deliver the message that you're learning from your podcast to this group of 500 leaders? I mean, Jason, I have to tell you. The first, I don't know, probably handful or more times that happened to me, I thought, these people are crazy. Like, they, I can't believe they're asking me to do this until I went out and did it. Very, very apprehensive, a little nervous or a lot nervous.

Starting point is 00:37:43 I tried to prepare like crazy, but when I saw the impact in the eyes of the people in the crowd when I went and did it, it really helped alleviate any of those fears of being in a an imposter or being like, why are they asking me? So I needed to do it a few times. Just like you mentioned, I think it being in this conversation, the experience and seeing the eyes of the people and the impact and then seeing the line of people wait to when you get done presenting and they all want to have something to say and they all want to follow up.

Starting point is 00:38:14 They want to get your number, your email so they can continue the dialogue. That cures that feeling for me at least. And so I don't know if it did for you, but to see that you impacted them in a positive way from standing on stage, sharing your story, sharing the message that you've gleaned and picked up from other great leaders has helped me immensely. And now when I do it, I actually, I don't feel like that at all. I feel great. In fact, the rate just continuously goes up because you get more and more people asking you to do it. And so I would say at the beginning for me, I definitely felt that. That's why I asked you about the very first time, because it's kind of concerning initially for me

Starting point is 00:38:54 but then as you do it more, you're like, no, this is, this is, this is it. With that said, though, I firmly believe that you have to constantly strive to learn on a daily basis and realize that you will never have it all figured out. And that's, that's for me that the, the, um, the juice that drives me to reach out to people like you and other great leaders throughout the world to learn from them so that I could continue crafting and creating a better message when I'm asked to go give it to others. Oh man, I love that. That's such a great answer.

Starting point is 00:39:27 Looking into the eyes of people and seeing the impact. Yeah, I'm going to ask you. So you get up in front of people. You get in front of professional athletes. These guys, they're multi-millionaires. They're, you know, people have certain feelings about professional athletes. When you're up there and obviously your background, you have immense credibility just from the sake that I think people, for the most part, I would hope, have higher respect,

Starting point is 00:39:51 at least I do, for people who have taken it. to the enemy. Real life now, not movies, but real life. Take it to the enemy. I don't know if there's a more, I mean, I don't, bravery is a big word because there's people fighting cancer and doing tough things, but you've volunteered to take it to the enemy, put yourself on the line. I'm not sure there's a more, a braver thing someone can volunteer to do,

Starting point is 00:40:14 so that probably builds a huge amount of credibility and confidence in you, but what do you feel when you're up on stage in front of people and you see their eyes zoned in on you and you can be like wow I am impacting these people how does it make you feel yeah it's such a great feeling it gives you it's a feeling of purpose like I'm doing something impactful I'm helping other people in a very profound way you know your story is just so great I feel the same way when I when I get up um more or less being a green beret and having the resume that that I have and another people on my team have that That gives you instant credibility.

Starting point is 00:40:55 It gets your foot in the door. However, after five seconds of being up on stage, you better have something impactful to say because your resume being in Green Beret, special forces, whatever, all that gets thrown out the window if you can't speak, if you can't deliver an impactful message. So that just gives you five seconds of people looking at you locking in. and when you can get people fired up and you can get people laughing, I think that's the number one thing is you get people laughing at least initially and locked in,

Starting point is 00:41:31 then you can really expose your heart and make an impact in people's lives. And you're right. Like I guess that's a great way to look at is at the end of the day when you're finished and you've completed your presentation or whatever you were hired to do, when people reach out to you and say, listen, can I get your contact information? Hey, can I talk to you afterwards? Like, that's a measure of success. And you're absolutely on that. You mentioned getting to the laugh. I just thought of like, it brought me back to a few times up on stage. It's such a good feeling. I kind of felt you,

Starting point is 00:42:04 you get the brief feeling of like, wow, this is what it's like to be a stand-up comic because those guys are the best too. They're so, they're great to study when it comes to how to how to speak because they're so concise. They get rid of every unnecessary word. I love to study stand-up comics. So what are some of your keys to getting an audience to laugh? Oh, man.

Starting point is 00:42:28 First, you've got to come up there with absolute confidence. Yep. You know, if you waver, if you're shaky, if you don't know what you're going to say, whatever. You're absolutely right about the stand-up of comics, though. They're so concise and they nail it.

Starting point is 00:42:44 You got a thing you've got to understand. understand about those individuals, for the most part, their creation of themselves into a comic came from a shortcoming or an inadequacy at some point in a life where they were very nervous about telling jokes or getting up in front of people or being on stage, but they've worked through this uncomfortability to become successful at that which they originally were terrified of. So, you know, back to your original question, how do I do it? I guess. I guess, some information, you know, about the crowd beforehand. I talk to as many people as I can under the radar sort of thing to find some inside jokes, perhaps, or find something funny that

Starting point is 00:43:27 somebody did recently or call to attention somebody that I know in the crowd. You know, whenever we speak with Nate, I typically, you know, give them a hard time about a few things and people get to laugh about that. Another pretty funny story for the New York Jets. We were worried about that exact same thing. Are these guys going to get locked in? And so what I did was I talked to Kyle Wilson, who was a quarterback at the time for the Jets.

Starting point is 00:44:00 I think he's in New Orleans right now. But I said, Kyle, here's a deal, man. I'm going to get up, and I'm going to start talking. And I want you to get up and argue with me. And he's like, okay. And I was like, don't play, man. Like make this as legitimate as authentic as you possibly can. Everything that I say, I want you to disregard and argue and then ultimately try to walk out.

Starting point is 00:44:27 And so he's like, okay. And so I had all my guys in the room as well, four or five of the Mission 60 guys. And I started presenting. I said, hey, my name is Jason Van Camp, you know, Green Beret. and here to talk to you guys about leadership and Kyle got up. He says, I want to hear about this, man,

Starting point is 00:44:45 in front of everybody. And it was kind of quiet in the room, like that awkward silence, like, what? You know, like, what's going to happen? And I said, all right, Kyle, here's a deal, man. Like, you don't have to be here. He's like, you know what?

Starting point is 00:44:57 Nobody else has to be here either. Like, you don't know what you're talking about. How are you going to stand up here and talk to me about leadership? You know, you don't know what I've been through. And, like, he starts getting into it. And some of the guys are like, oh man like Kyle sit down man Kyle shut up you know and eventually Kyle got up and it got my face

Starting point is 00:45:15 and it looked like we were going to fight and we were observing what was happening in the audience like who was stepping up who was being a leader who was not you know who was looking on their cell phone who was checked out who was egging the fight on you know and we were making assessments we were creating all of our notes and eventually you know Kyle got up and I, we stared each other down. I shook his hand and I said, all right, guys, you've been a part of our first role-playing experience. Now we know what kind of people you are when adversity strikes, when tough times occur.

Starting point is 00:45:52 Are you the type of guy that's going to step up? And immediately, you know, the guy's like, oh, man, you got us. That's crazy. You know, and then they wanted to talk about that. So bringing actionable experiences, including the people in the audience, that always gets to laugh. that always gets people excited. And that's kind of our trick or our secret, I guess, is at least what I do in

Starting point is 00:46:14 order to get people engaged. I like that a lot. What a great way to get the crowd fully engaged in you because it's probably not something they're used to saying. I wonder if Kyle would really have done that if he wasn't playing or anybody to stand up to a green beret and get face-to-face. That's probably not the smartest move. The other reason, Jason,

Starting point is 00:46:37 why I wanted to talk, a mentor or multiple mentors of mine, sent me an article written by Chris Desi. Are you guys, are you and Chris, uh, friends? We are. Yeah, Chris and I looked up, uh, not too long ago, just six months ago. Okay. The New York guy, he writes for Inc. and Success Magazine. He's got a company, Silverbacked Social, the social media. Yeah. He's a professional speaker, great guy. Okay, okay. So I saw this article. I don't know him. Uh, I'd probably like, like, to get to know him, but I don't know him, but his article is titled, How to Get Comfortable with Being Uncomfortable According to a Green Beret. And basically, you know, he talks about being an entrepreneur and, you know, some of the difficult things about getting enough sleep. And then,

Starting point is 00:47:25 and then really he spoke with you and called you the toughest and most, you know, one of the toughest and most resilient people that he knows. And so I love for you to share, you don't have to go through all of them, but maybe share a few of the seven ways that people can get uncomfortable or can get comfortable with being uncomfortable. Sure, yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah, Chris and I linked up and he said, first off, one of the toughest and most resilient people he knows, not at all. I'm nobody, man.

Starting point is 00:47:59 I try to be as humble as I can. So hearing compliments like that, it's tough to hear. But I appreciate that. You know, secondly, Chris reached out to me and he said, listen, Jason, I want to write with you. So I'm going to collaborate with you on some things. So he asked me what I'm most passionate about, what really resonate, what topics resonate with me.

Starting point is 00:48:21 And I said, you know what? I want to talk about how people can get comfortable with the uncomfortable. And so I wrote this. I sent it to Chris. We collaborated. He edited it and he published it on ink. And it actually was the third most reviewed article in November. which was pretty awesome.

Starting point is 00:48:37 And it was really one of the few things I've ever written before. So I talked to Chris about seven things you could do to be comfortable with the uncomfortable. And the first one is, it's very simple. It's to start. You know, the first step is always the most uncomfortable. And I said, all you have to do really is show up. The battle is half one if you show up.

Starting point is 00:49:01 You know, it's uncomfortable when you start something. Like you start a diet. It sucks. You know, you start going to the gym for the first time after you haven't been in a long time. It sucks. You know what I mean? In business world, let's say your senior employee unexpectedly resigns and you have to start the process of finding someone new.

Starting point is 00:49:19 Well, that sucks. You know, at some point, your body or your mind, they're going to say, or both, they're going to say, screw this. You know, but you have to remind yourself that you made a decision. You're committed and there's no going back. So it's the first thing I said when you start. You know, it's tough, but you got to do it to earn success. And once you start, the second step is just don't quit.

Starting point is 00:49:45 You know, don't give yourself an out. You want to quit, but don't keep pushing forward, you know. At some point you're going to start thinking yourself, there could be a way out where I can quit and save face. There could be an option here. Don't give yourself an option. Don't do it. Just don't quit.

Starting point is 00:50:02 Either you succeed or you fail. There's no excuses. You know, the point where you're about to give up is a precise moment when the other guy gives up. And while you're in this process of not giving yourself an option to quit, you're going to ask yourself, why am I doing this? You better have an answer for that. What is driving you? Is it something someone said to you or did to you? Is it a competition?

Starting point is 00:50:27 Is it a challenge? Is it something you have to prove to yourself? Is it pride? whatever that is and it better be powerful and I know some people talk about the power of why and then there's some great material out there for that

Starting point is 00:50:41 and I really believe in that so once you do that you've got to push past your comfort zone you know at some point during this process you're going to say to yourself I've never done this before or I have no idea what I'm doing everybody's been there

Starting point is 00:50:57 my trick is don't say that out last Don't acknowledge it. Just pretend to be confident. A lot of people say fake it till you make it. Okay. It's inauthentic to do that, but it's a trick that you can use in the moment to help you push forward. I promise you this. Once once this challenge is over, you're going to say it wasn't as bad as I thought it was. And then the quote I like here that I put in was, you know, fear kills more. dreams and failure ever will. Fourth step for me is embrace the suck. This happens a lot in the military. It happens a lot during our courses. It happens a lot during deployment.

Starting point is 00:51:44 Situation is bad. Deal with it. Not only deal with it, but open your arms and welcome the suck in as an old friend. So imagine the suck as a person. It's like Murphy's Law. When things can go any worse, it will. When that happens, laugh. Yeah, I knew you were going to come sooner or later

Starting point is 00:52:03 And come on in, man Let's make this thing worse You know Instead of complaining Celebrate the blessing that is the suck That's kind of what I told Chris You know, if you're doing it by yourself Let's take a moment to just laugh

Starting point is 00:52:18 At how ridiculous the situation is You're building your mental and physical toughness points If you're embracing, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I want to jump in here So the no, no, no, no This is great So the couple things here. This reminds me of a guest I had on previously named Jesse Itzler.

Starting point is 00:52:37 He worked with a, he wrote a book called Living with a Seal, where he had a Navy SEAL come over to his house and live with him for a month. And the Navy SEAL always said every day, if it doesn't suck, then we aren't going to do it every day. And Jesse wrote a book about it. And, you know, he went on to start and sell Marquis Jet. He married Sarah Blakely, who started Spanx, the youngest self-made female. male billionaire of all time. So pretty, pretty impressive guy. So that he said that says it and says it all time. And if you just follow him on social media, you'll see that he still lives by that motto when it comes to just the pain he puts his body through with workouts. And two, I remember

Starting point is 00:53:15 being on a on team, specifically in football and you probably had this with both football and military. That's why I can't imagine playing at West Point because you have both going on the same time. But anyway, the morning workouts, the winter workouts, the 4.30, 5 o'clock a.m. workouts that you do, with others forms a bond like no bond I've ever formed since, whether it was high school or college or even after college. Those horrible moments of the workouts that were so unbelievably brutal, the bond you feel with your teammates once you're able to complete those together, it just builds so much. And that's why I've been on teams that weren't nearly as talented as others that we've played, but we knew we outworked them. And so we had to,

Starting point is 00:54:00 an innate confidence in us because of those January, February, June, July workouts at four, five in the morning, that we embraced it. We enjoyed the fact that we did more than everybody else and it built this bond between us that we were going to have confidence, especially in the second half of games. We weren't as talented as the other team, but we typically came out on top because we embraced the really brutal hard work. And I always said all great moments, the best moments are preceded by really hard work and really tough moments. And that's typically the case every single time. And so I think point four there is really important for people to think about that you

Starting point is 00:54:42 need to embrace it and have the right attitude towards it. Powerful, brilliant, man. I love that. That's absolutely correct. West Point was the same thing that we knew we were ever going to be the most talented team on the field, but we knew that we could outwork our opponent or out think our opponent. And we're around these guys, like at 4 a.m., like you said, going down to the field house, just get your soul crushed an hour or two hours. It's an incredible bonding experience.

Starting point is 00:55:12 It's for life. You made new best friends for life. Yep. Yep. And so that brings me to my next point, it's be around like-minded people, right? Create a support network. You talk about your experiences with these people. They could be your mentor or you could be mentoring them. And the thing is, when you're around these people, everybody loves a good story. And the trick is there that the worst the experience it is to you, the better the story it is to everyone else. So when you're after the fact, you're entertaining your friends and they're laughing and they're enjoying your miserable experience, you will quickly be actively seeking uncomfortable experiences. more uncomfortable experiences to share with your friends.

Starting point is 00:55:57 And the caveat to that is be a good storyteller. You know, stop being selfish. Think of others for once. Rather than be entertained, entertain them. So think about unselfishly think about others. So I think about that a lot when I'm in a situation where it's very uncomfortable. I think to myself, this is going to be a great story one day. It sucks right now, but one day this will be great.

Starting point is 00:56:21 You know, I guess the next point I would make with being comfortable with the uncomfortable is recognizing your improvements. So I track your progress, revel in it. You know you've improved because you see it. Your confidence is grown. You look at what you previously went through and how uncomfortable it was for you. Go through that same experience again.

Starting point is 00:56:43 You'll be shocked at how much easier it was the second time to go through it. So you're literally seeing your progress in real time. And by nature, you're going to want to push the envelope to find out your boundaries. You'll find yourself saying at some point, I wish it would suck more because it's our human nature to know what we were able to overcome. Why people go to all these adventure races.

Starting point is 00:57:06 You're going to go do a, you know, Ragnar. You know, you're talking about like pushing yourself and crushing your soul. You guys, how much are you going to pay me to do this? And they're like, you know, we're not paying you anything, man. You're going to pay us. Kidding me? Like, why? Because people want to know what they can do.

Starting point is 00:57:25 And it's a funning experience. And finally, the last point I made with Chris was, we've got all through these steps. Rinse and repeat, man, go through it again. I'm a Mormon, so I served a mission in Russia when I was 19 years old, and there was an old saying in Russia, Pabterenia Matuchena. And then translation is repetition is the mother of learning.

Starting point is 00:57:51 So the more frequently you perform the same thing. activity, the more confidence you will get. Confidence is a tangible thing. Of course, it comes from practice and repetition. So that's kind of my take on being comfortable with the uncomfortable. And it's really resonant with people according to Inc. Magazine. Definitely. Repetition is the mother of learning.

Starting point is 00:58:11 I love it. I always talk about the fact that you need to get reps. So whether it's practice for sport, practice on stage, practice podcasting, writing a thousand word a day, whatever it may be. but the reps can build incredible confidence, but you've got to get them, and it's hard. It takes time, it takes effort, it takes prep, it takes all of that. But I love that stack.

Starting point is 00:58:35 Can you say it again? What language, were that Russian? Yeah, it's just Russian, man. So, Pavthrenia, Makh, Uchenia. That sounds good. I like it. Before we go, I briefly brought this up, and I was thinking about this before we were talking.

Starting point is 00:58:51 what is it like going to West Point as a football player? It's hard enough going to West Point as a student and everything else that goes on. What is the schedule like for football players at West Point? Man, I'll tell you what. I don't know if anybody hated West Point more than I did. Well, everyone says it's a horrible place to go to play football, but it's a great place to be from. Is that accurate?

Starting point is 00:59:14 That's exactly correct. It's a horrible place to be at, but a great place to be from. You're absolutely correct. It's, gosh, it shapes you to who you are, really. The people that I know that we went through this experience with West Point Army football, the whole thing, man, some of the toughest, mentally tough, physically tough, best leaders, most loyal, authentic people I know, just unbelievable talent and it's really because of the impossibility of succeeding at West Point where you have to get up at 5 a.m. and you have to manage your academics with your military grades with your physical grades with oh by the way trying to be a division one football player you know and trying to balance

Starting point is 01:00:03 all those things where at 1130 at night you got to turn the light off and you can have a light in the room but oh by the way you got to you know like three more hours of homework you got to do and then you've got to be back up at 5 a.m. You know, to do that. I remember the first class I went to as a freshman. First academic class was discrete dynamical systems. And I had no idea what was going on. And the West Point method is called the Thayer method,

Starting point is 01:00:32 which means that you show up to class and you take the test. Then you learn how to do the subject. And so showing up for the first day, we had a test. And I was like, man, there's no way I'm going to succeed here. I have no idea what's going on. But you learned just to get comfortable with the uncomfortable, to tough it out, to continue forward, to don't quit, to never quit. And yeah, man, it's, it was awful. What is the schedule like?

Starting point is 01:01:01 I mean, because my schedule in college was insane as it is. And I went to a non-military school between morning workouts, going to class, immediately fall in class. we had meetings, immediately following meetings, we had practice, and immediately following practice, we had meetings, then we had study tables, and then we went to bed, and then we did it again. So what was it like at West Point? Okay, so let me think back to those days. Let's say first semester, you know, fall semester, September time frame. We wake up at five. I think our formation was at 5.30, if I'm not mistaken. So you got to go outside, form up. then we marched into the mess hall where we have breakfast. Immediately following breakfast,

Starting point is 01:01:46 you had like 10 minutes to get to your first class from 8.30, I think, no, gosh, I don't know, first class. So it ends at about 11, excuse me, 11 or so. Then we go back to the mess hall only as a football team and we eat. And I think we had 20, maybe 30 minutes tops to eat our lunch. and then we had our our film session for about an hour and then immediately following film session

Starting point is 01:02:15 we went back to class until about 4.30 you get back on a bus go up to the stadium and then practice started at like 5.30 we went to practice 530 to 7 and then we sometimes ate up there at the stadium and then took the bus and then we had to work out.

Starting point is 01:02:33 We had to get our workout in and then we went back down and then we had I think from probably 9 to 9 to 11 to do homework 9 to 1130 and then do the same thing over again That sounds terrible And then by the way like you can't you have to make your bed Pristine condition in the morning you got to shine your boots to spit shine you got you know just a million things It was tough Is there is there a social scene there or is that you have to go somewhere else for that or do you even have the time to do that

Starting point is 01:03:05 Oh, man. You know, there are women, female cadets, you know, there as well. Freshman year, we couldn't really leave, at least when I was there. We couldn't leave until Christmas. That was the first time we'd go home. And then come February time from, they recognize the freshman, recognize the plebs. And so at that point forward, there are certain weekends you can leave. But most weekends, you can't.

Starting point is 01:03:34 and the social scene is sometimes they bus girls in from colleges around West Point and they do like dances down at uh down the road at this this hall you know type thing and no man i really not a whole lot of social scene going on man especially when you're a freshman wow well it just shows again more of the the discipline it takes to do it and that's why a lot of us feel safe here because you're you went through all that, um, tough stuff. And that was just, just the beginning of it. And then as you spoke about, it gets even harder, um, as you progressed through it. So Jason, I, I, I could, I could talk to you for hours, but I really appreciate the fact that you invested your time with me. Um, I, I certainly want to continue our dialogue. It's been, it's been fun getting to know you and learning about, um, your story as well as your business. So, so thank you so much for being here, man. Thank you for the opportunity. It's been my pleasure. It's been my pleasure. And I look forward to the next time we can look up.

Starting point is 01:04:37 Definitely, man. Where would you send my listeners to learn more about you online? Yeah, definitely. So you can find more about a company at www.m. Mission60.com. You spell that M-I-S-I-O-N, the number six, and then Z-E-R-O. We also have a nonprofit called Warrior Rising. You can find us at www.wariorizing.org. We help veterans start their own business, which we're very excited about. And that's really, if you're looking to learn more about me or Nate or Mission 60 or Warrior Rising, those are the locations where you can go. Awesome. Well, thanks again, Jason, man.

Starting point is 01:05:20 Like I said, we'll keep talking. I appreciate you being here, man. It's an honor. Thanks so much, brother. All right. This episode of The Learning Leader Show is over, but we have plenty more to keep you locked in until next time. Head over to learningleadershow.com for more information and to request your favorite entrepreneur, CEO, world class athlete, or anyone else that inspires you. You can also talk to Ryan directly

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