The Liz Moody Podcast - How To Dress Cute—Pro Stylist Charly Goss Solves All Of Our Clothing Problems

Episode Date: October 27, 2021

We’re taking a bit of a left turn today with an episode I am personally VERY excited about, which is all about How To Look Cute. Basically, this year, I realized how little my clothes reflected or conveyed who I am as a person, and it became my personal mission to figure out this whole style thing, which is how I discovered today’s amazing guest, stylist extraordinaire Charly Goss. On this episode, we talk about: her personal story, including how having tongue cancer twice impacted her life why fashion matters for so much more than just how you look one piece that every person should have in their closet to make any outfit instantly more stylish one thing people inadvertently do that makes them less stylish how to find shoes that are fashion forward but comfortable enough to walk in what clothing has the highest comfort to style ratio her surprising thoughts on how to dress for certain body types (what short people should wear, what pear shaped people should wear, etc) a genius tip to know what trends are going stick around and are worth investing in and which are more fleeting which fashion rules we should follow and which we shouldn’t listen to the one theory that will make anyone instantly stylish (both in your clothing and home decor!!) her shocking take on what “basics” you should spend money on her specific favorite stores for shoes, bags, trendy items, jeans, and more the ACTUAL difference between pricey jeans and more affordable ones the 5 items everyone should have in their closet I’m actually so excited to hear your thoughts on this episode—I’ve been absolutely loving our Instagram conversations about style and trends—so please screenshot as you’re listening and share any thoughts, feelings, and reaction on Instagram—I’m @lizmoody and Charly is @charlygoss. If you love the episode, I’d also just SO appreciate you spreading the word, whether it’s on social or to a bestie in real life. If you’d like to check out the transcript for this episode, head over to lizmoody.com/charly-goss-transcript. PS: My Patreon is live! You can join Green Smoothie Society and get access to ALL of my green smoothie recipes and advice! Get all the deets at patreon.com/lizmoody. This episode is sponsored by Seed, the makers of one of my all-time favorite supplements. Their Seed Daily Synbiotic is a game changer—it contains both pre- and probiotics, survives INTACT all the way into your gut, AND contains the most studied and powerful strains of probiotics out there. You can get 15% off of your first month’s supply of Seed’s Daily Synbiotic by going to seed.com and using the code LIZMOODY. This episode is sponsored by Paleovalley, who make incredibly high quality supplements. If you’d like to check out their Turmeric Complex, Vitamin C, Neuroeffect, or any of Paleovalley’s other amazing products, head over to paleovalley.com and use the code LIZM for 15% off. This episode is sponsored by GoMacro, and you MUST try their Oatmeal Chocolate Chip bars. You can get a whopping 30% off your order of $50 or more PLUS free shipping by going to gomacro.com and using the code healthiertogether. Healthier Together cover art by Zack. Healthier Together music by Alex Ruimy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello, friends, and welcome back to the healthier together podcast. I'm your host, Liz Moody, and I'm a cookbook author and longtime journalist. We're taking a little bit of a left turn today with an episode that I am personally very excited about, which is all about how to look cute. Basically, this year, I realized how little my clothes reflected or conveyed who I am as a person, and it became my personal mission to figure out this whole style thing, which is how I discovered today's amazing guest, stylist extraordinaire Charlie Goss. If you're like, wait, what does style have to do with wellness?

Well, like I say all the time, wellness in general and this podcast specifically is all about helping you live your healthiest, happiest life. I think that style and the confidence that comes with feeling like your clothes express who you are can be a really big part of feeling your best, which we talk about in this episode. At the beginning of the episode, Charlie shares her two-time journey with tongue cancer and her childhood experience of moving to a foreign country. For her, style was more than fabric on a... body. It was a way of communicating, of expressing herself, of feeling confident. It's a way to be

even more you. We get into Charlie's health journey and the remarkable perspective it's given her in this episode. And then we get into all of my very specific and detailed questions about how the F to look cute. She shares the one thing people inadvertently do that makes them less stylish, how to find shoes that are fashion forward but comfortable enough to walk in. A genius tip to know what trends are going to stick around and are worth investing in and which are more fleeting. Her specific favorite stores for shoes, bags, trendy items, jeans, and more. The actual difference between pricey jeans and more affordable ones. The five items everyone should have in their closet and so much more. I'm actually so excited to hear your thoughts on this episode. I've been absolutely

loving our Instagram conversations about style and trends. So please screenshot as you're listening and share any thoughts, feelings, reactions, aha moments on Instagram. I am at Liz Moody and Charlie is at Charlie, C-H-A-R-L-Y, no-E-Goss. If you love the episode, I would also just so appreciate you spreading the word, whether it's on social or to a bestie in real life. Oh, and like I mentioned, Charlie did have tongue cancer twice. They basically rebuilt her tongue, which we talk about in here. She's perfectly lovely to listen to, super cool and hilarious, like you're going to fall in love with her. But if you have a hard time catching a word anywhere, I'm going to put a full transcript of this one on Liz Moody.com. So just head over there and click on the post for this episode or click on

the direct link in the show notes. All right, that's it for me. Let's find out how to dress cute with Charlie Goss. All right, Charlie, welcome to the podcast. I'm so excited to have you here today. I have gotten to experience your personal genius and I'm really excited to share it with everybody listening. Thanks for having me. I'm honored to be here. Amazing. Okay, so we're going to get into like literally I have so many style questions. Mostly they revolve on like how do I look cute, but also how do I feel like I'm in pajamas at all times whilst looking cute, which is really important to me. The dream. So we'll get into that in a second. But you also have a very compelling personal story that I would like to get into a little bit as well, which is that one of my very favorite chefs actually in the world. Have you heard of Alinea? Yeah, pregnant cats, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He had tongue cancer as well, which I think is crazy because he's like a world-class chef and then he had tongue cancer and he had this really crazy story about having to like learn how when his taste came back, he couldn't taste individual flavors but he could do like sour, sweet, salty, the basic things. And then he said that. Yeah. Yeah, which I'm sure you have experienced with this well. So like him, you've had tongue cancer twice, right? Twice. Yep. It was just crazy. I really went for it hard, you know? Yeah, you really did not do it halfway.

No. So can you tell me a little bit about that? How did you find out? I remember seeing on your stories, you had to demand your dentist or something, like check it out or something like that. How did you find out in the first place? Yeah, I have sort of a spot on my tongue that wasn't healing. I'm sure we've all had that thing, but you have like a swollen taste bag,

kind of and it's like bothering you and it goes away in a few days. Mine did not go away. So I went to my doctor and told him I had this sort of spot that was causing a bit of pain and I was shrugged off a few times and finally went back and demanded. I really like to biopsy this if for no other reason than to help me sleep at night. And I think about five weeks later, I was having half of my tongue removed. Wow. A cancer hospital of downtown Toronto.

So, yeah, I didn't go back to that Samoy doctor ever again. Yeah, no kidding. That's crazy. It's really an argument for advocating for yourself and, like, trusting. Did you just have that, like, niggling feeling in your gut? I actually think this is more. Yeah, I knew, I mean, doctors can be both a blessing. and the curse, but doing some preliminary and re-duggling about having something on your tongue that

really will not heal anywhere on your body, something that will not heal is a cause for concern. And the fact that nobody listened to me is also the cause for concern, but I knew that something was up. And same when it came back, I knew that something was up. Did they give you a reason why you would have tongue cancer twice? Is it in your family? Is there a gene going on? It feels crazy, especially given that you're so young as well. So young. This is a old man's disease for mainly men that have been smoking their whole lives. This is typically who would get this type of cancer. There was some interest about me being a woman of like vaguely Celtic and Anglo-Saxon background. and they were doing a study and they asked me to sign a bunch of paperwork.

I donated both of my tumors from both surgeries and they took them, I think, to Boston University. To evaluate whether that was a common anomaly that should be looked into further, they've never contacted me since. So I don't know how valid that concern was, but they gave me no reason, just bad luck. Were you pissed? Like, what is the reaction? When your life is going great, you're married. Did you have your babies at that point? No, I had no babies. No babies. But were you married to your husband at that point? I was not married to my hot husband. We had been dating for about a year. And yeah, I had to say to him, are you in or are you out? Oh, my gosh. It's a hard conversation to have that I think I was 20. three and he was 24.

So we had to have that sort of discussion and he was all in, which was amazing. He's been so supportive through both surgeries. But yeah, it was piss. I was fucking pissed. I mean, I'm young and I am chagby. I'm British. And all I ever want to do is talk and talk and talk and talk and talk. And I had to have my time cut out two times.

Yeah, I was pissed. Where are you at with it now? I think about my anxiety is obviously such a different situation. But I'd say five years ago, maybe three years, maybe three or two years ago. I was still like, this is the worst thing that's ever happened to me. I wish I hadn't had the seizure that caused all this PTSD and whatever. And then now I'm at a place where I love where I am now so much that I wouldn't want to take anything out of that. So I'm curious how it sits on the course of your life at this point.

I got this question kind of on like an Instagram Q&A. And I responded. I see you through cancer-covered dresses now. Everywhere I go, I have to be concerned about, is there something safe to eat? Do I know the people of Lama-Maf that there's going to be. no question about the way that I speak. If I'm on TV, if I'm on a podcast, am I going to be understood

when I'm meeting clients? I think about it all the time. It has permeated my entire worldview just because it is something that I have to think about all the time. Every party I attend, every restaurant I go to, every trip we take, I have to think about eating, speaking, drinking safely and comfortably. But that said, yeah, I wouldn't change it, I don't think.

Really? No, it has given me sort of an existential gratitude that I don't think I ever would have had before that. I was pretty restless in my youth. My brother, who has sort of his own mental health challenges, was also a restless kid not by products of our parents raising us. I think that we were just defiant kids. And having cancer gives you a certain shake that I don't think I would have ever rise gotten. Huh. Do you think you'd be doing the job you're doing now if you hadn't had cancer? I have no idea. Probably in fashion somewhere because I managed to fuck everything else up.

It's the only thing I'm good at, but I don't know that I would have had the confidence to say through everything else. I would wonder, I think that having to work through the self-consciousness, like you said, that would color, like, meeting to people, going to a restaurant, like all that, if that would just imbue you with this deep personal sense of confidence. Although also, it could also, like, just get exhausting to constantly be like, I'm great, I'm worthy of being here, this is just part of me and you have to be cool with it, you know what I mean? I think it's both. Yeah.

I mean, I've heard you talk on here so much about everybody has impossible. syndrome. Yeah. Whatever we call it. Everybody has that. In every room I've ever been into, unless I'm wearing a really good outfit. I'm like, I don't deserve to be here. Somebody is looking at me, somebody who's talking shit about me, making fun with me, whatever it is. There's never really for any of us, I mean, I imagine maybe we're just a better kind of anxious? I don't know. But there's no way that you ever walk into a room and you're like, shit, yeah, this is my room. No. So I love that you said, unless I'm wearing a really great outfit, because I think that fashion can be sometimes perceived as very surface level and why are we

paying attention to what we're wearing. But I think that that gives a little bit of a segue into how fashion can be so much more than something that is really surface level. So maybe you can kick us off by being, why do you think fashion is important? Oh, my God. For a personal perspective, I moved here from England. I live in Canada right now in Toronto, and I moved here from England with my family when I was about 10. And obviously, I was wearing the very wrong thing. kids made it known that I was wearing the very wrong thing. And that was absolutely crushing.

To be 11 and be made fun out, not only for your accent. So I was made fun of the way I speak even back then. Which just feels so unfair because I feel like everybody sitting listening who doesn't have an English accent right now would they give their left arm for a cute British accent. They had no idea how cool I was. Ingle the accent. Madonna and Gwyneth like went to England, when we were living in England,

I literally was there and I was like, should I try actively to acquire this accent or will everybody hate me when I come back to the States? Am I committing or not? Yeah, I put awe in the fake American accent for so long, and my parents made fun of me so hard. I couldn't win. But clothing for me felt like a really important way to fit in at that time for lack of a better way to say it.

It was the thing that seemingly made me stick out. So I think right that time in my life really solidified my sort of obsession with fashion as a form of confidence. and fashion is a way to communicate confidence and to feel great and change sort of the way that they were making me feel about myself. And so now I sort of feel like I help women who are probably at that feeling for some reason in their life. Often it is a body change, a life change. maybe you've had kids and you've lost yourself or whatever it might be usually people are coming to me for a reason to say I just don't have a dress anymore help and that's sort of what

we do well and I think that what's really been interesting to me about working with you is we did a wardrobe overhaul close to the end of it I think but what's been really interesting to me about it is that I feel a certain way on the inside and I feel like I am a certain person and then I feel that was in a not a state of alignment with how I was, other people were perceiving me based on how I looked. It's like knowing you are who you are in the inside and then wanting everybody to be able to perceive you the way you perceive yourself, I think is a really cool role that fashion can play. And something I ask every client, I mean, we've done you, there's but I do a lot of in-person overhauls too.

So we go into their closet and we tear apart and we laugh and we try and it's so fun. But I say to every client, tell me the three things that you love the most about yourself. Three positive things about yourself. It's often really hard for people to kind of succinctly say it. But we keep that in mind as we touch everything. every item and we think about like, does this dress from 1999 say confident, powerful, joyful? No. Then it's garbage, friend.

I love that as an exercise too because it feels so much more helpful. I've condoed a lot. I went through a period where I read the Marie Condo book and then I threw old photographs of Zach and he still hasn't forgiven. He was like, why did you need to condo my old pictures? I don't know, man. I was on a kick, I was in a groove, I was thrown everything away. No, no of that matters.

But I think the spark joy, it's helpful, but only to an extent, I think there's something really lovely and specific that people, anybody listening could do at home of like, well, what are my three things that I love the most or want to portray the most of the world? And then as you pick up everything instead of saying, does this spark joy, saying like, does this do any of those three things? It's so actionable and useful to think about it that way. And I think that, yeah, sparking joy is great to the point. But if I only have a wardrobe full of things that spark joy,

my wardrobe would be insane. It would be like, sequins and feathers. Seekwinds, yeah. Crazy, Cam. You have to have, I always sort of start my clients with, this sounds boring, but it isn't, I swear. A base of, like, let's say 10 to 15. sort of capsule items, so basic neutral, very well-fitting items that you can then add your joy

into to create a really versatile, really versatile wardrobe. Otherwise, yeah, you just, you don't have a closet for a set as a sequence. Yeah, I picture that outfit that like Carrie's wearing at the beginning of sex in the city with like a tool skirt. It's first joy. We'd all be wearing tutus around. And maybe we'd all be like, honestly, I'm like, is a world where we're all wearing fairy wings and tutus around like a bad place? Yeah, maybe I don't know. That sounds kind of magical.

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episode. Okay, so let's get into some specifics. What is one thing that you could add to any outfit, or maybe not to any outfit, but that every person should have in their closet to make things more chic or stylish instantly? Either an oversized black blazer or a black mobo jacket. So you have a great mind. It has like white stars on it. I know. It was a lot. It was a the only thing you asked me what I liked that I owned and I was like nothing and then you were like you have to like something and I was like I only like this jacket yeah I think that that jacket is sick and the way it makes you feel is important like that makes you feel those three things you're like I want to feel sexy I want to feel edgy I want to feel poor it makes you feel those things

Yeah. A topper, though, that's sort of what I call it in this neck of the woods, is kind of crucial. It is a pillar of our styling philosophy here. I know that you had Kristen and Rayanna and they were talking about three-piece dressing. How you have a pant on the top, and then you add a layer. Yeah, that is a topper. We can do a cozy sort of button-up Chargian is a big trend right now. You can do a blazer, a molo jacket, an oversized denim jacket, a great coat.

Those are all choppers. Okay, wait. So I asked them this on that episode, and I know we're going into winter in the northern hemisphere, at least. But how do you do three-piece dressing when it's hot? I don't think you have to do three-piece dressing right time, but same as them. I've got a jacket everywhere. Have you been on the subway in New York in the summer? I've been on the tube in London in the summer.

Yeah. Oh, my God. I love the tube in London where they're like, we're not going to do. There's signs everywhere that are like, we're not going to cool anything down. If you faint, you're responsible. It's up to you. It's up to you. Bring your water.

The tube's not going to stop. Just don't fade on our tube. Thank you so much. I think that a topper, maybe if it's like, oh, absolutely sweltering. Okay, maybe not back to go. But most of the time, a top layer, even if it's a linen blazer, kind of on your sorvers. Okay. Is a really great way to pull an outfit together.

However, if it's super hot, let's three-piece it with a dress, a shoe, and a bag. Okay. This is something that you might talk about, actually. We talked about how you were saying that you have sort of a couple pairs of shoes that you love and you have to do a ton of walking for your job. And I said that, are you always walking? You said, okay, maybe not. And I said to you, there is no way that you can have a variety of outfits without a variety of things.

There just isn't. Yeah, particularly in person. Like I told you, I was like, I bought a purse, I found my purse, and now I'm done buying purses. I have the purse. And you were like, no. And then I bought two more purses at your guidance, and they weren't very pricey, and they do make my outfits look really different, and I feel like a grown-up when I wear them.

And that is the difference. So that one dress that you have, let's say it's like a black shirt dress, it will feel totally different with a sneaker in a backpack. as it would live with a high-killed on a little, you know, beaded bags for nighttime. Those things change your outfit. You have to have a variety of them to be able to make it feel easy. Okay, what's one thing that people inadvertently do that you see kind of commonly that makes people look less stylish than we might want to?

dressing like they're at home. But we are, like, all the time these days. Yeah, but... It's the comfort thing, though. So do you mean, like, dressing like you're too comfortable, basically? Like, you're too comfortable. I was just talking about this with Trevin yesterday, who works with me. Like, we were talking about airline travel in sort of the older times.

But people used to, like, get dressed up to go on a plane, and now you go to the airport, and everybody... is in their absolute comfy clothing, which I get. Yeah. I'll wear a sweatsuit, but I'll be damned if I'm not wearing a cute shoe and a great jacket and a fun bag.

Like, I want an outfit, always. And I want outfits to be easy for people, for sure. But leggings and a baggy old t-shirt and a pair of city birkenstocks on the way of the door do not an outfit make. You're making a face. Yeah. I feel called out because Birkenstocks are my primary shoe.

They are so comfortable. And I just got the all black ones. And so I'm like, they're all black. So thus they must go with every outfit because they're black. They really don't. I actually think so shoes is something I want to get into because I think shoes are where my outfits go to die. Like I think that shoes are where my outfits are cute and then I have a cute little dress on and then I just wear my Birkenstocks and I look like a college student or something. You know what I mean?

Like I don't look chic. But I also do like to be able to, we like we've talked a lot about this podcast about sneaking in walking and moving and stuff like that into your life. And if I'm wearing uncomfy shoes, I'm not going to do that and I'm not willing to make that trade off. So come up with some cute and comfortable shoe options for me. I'd love for you to talk through not physically making women unable to walk very well, but also having their outfit not dye at the feet. I think, I mean, certainly have my outfit's dying. I think there's a ton of options right now.

But lucky that sort of appraiser and comfort especially considering the past few years, are trendy right now. There are so many fun, you know, sneakers at every price point. There are welters and murals and Burton socks, not the lines with like the thonged sandropeas. Oh God, no, no, no. The two strap in a solid color, cute. Not the ones that used to wear so he can't cancelor, not those.

The cute, black, black, love our minds. Those are great. And I get it. A ton of us are out, you know, walking the job and walking with our kids to the park. And I don't think that you have to sacrifice comfort, but I do think that people are attached to the level of comfort that isn't reasonable at all times. That's interesting. The fact that so many of us feel like, I only want to wear my name because they're so comfortable.

Like, it's as if we completely, they're not in how to their hard pants or shoes with me breaking in. There's also interesting studies around how when you're super comfortable, like sweatsuit comfortable, you don't perform as well on tests and stuff like that as you do when you dress up a little bit. So if you wore, they did like tests where they had kids wear like suits and dresses to school and they actually perform better on tests than when they were in their more comfortable clothes. So I do think there's an interesting benefits.

I think comfortable is still really important. I'm literally sitting here in like a jumpsuit. I'm a sweatshirt. I'm comfy. And I totally, I never want to be uncomfortable ever. I don't want to be uncomfortable. But, I mean, we all know that feeling of putting an outfit, on and feeling more like ourselves.

Yeah. Feeling sort of elationed, you know, it's sort of a ritual of mine. I'm sure we all have them. You get up, you brush your teeth, if you put your makeup on, whatever it might be. For me, getting dressed for a day makes me feel prepared to tackle it. I also like that when you picked out shoes for me, you took things that didn't feel stylish inherently like loafers. And then you got me one that had a big chunky soul and that made it feel cool. And then same with lug sole boots. I think there's a way of taking shoes that

kind of feel really comfy and cozy and then like elevating them. Is it just a lug soul? Now that I'm saying both of those examples, is that a secret? A lug soul is a hard tip. Yeah. Okay. But I think Thinking about the shape of something that is comfortable and then seeing what else is available in terms of trends. Like, a sneaker is not that from a loafer. It really isn't, you know, even in Oxford. Those even lace up and they both have flat shorts, but one is brown leather and one is like a Nike mess running shoe. Those things completely change in outfit. Yeah, that's fair.

Okay, well, just to put a pin on our comfort conversation, is there pieces that you think have the highest cute to comfort coefficient? Like you're wearing an oversized sweatshirt and I know you wear leather leggings. So what are the things of your wardrobe that are the most stylish that are the most comfortable? Most stylish, most comfortable. Leathererlegging, high, high ranking. Okay. Do you have brands you like for leather leggings?

The Eryxia Doria pant is like, Fave, Fave, Fave. Super high-waste, big chunky waistband, so it's like a bit of a, bit of a sucking in. We love that. The Spanx, uh, faux leather writing, those are really good brand. And they have extended sizing.

So a ton of like turvier and pastoral. I love those too. Oversized sweatshirts right now. Her shirt. You're so lucky that sweatsuits are hot. Like, you can put a sweatsuit on and a sick pair of sneakers and like a blazer or a motorcycle jacket. That's an outfit. You're wearing your pajamas.

Are there brands you're loving for sweatsuits? Each of them actually has incredibly affordable, good quality sweatshirts. they sell so fast so you have to check back and to try to find the matching sets and be a bit of the challenge but worth it if you can the panjaya ones are a bit more expensive but those are really good and euritsia too they have a bunch of different kind of weights of the flee so you can get an airier or lighter flee so you can get something way heavier or later those years depending if you run hot or fro I do think that matching sets are like a really great style secret because it like makes you look put together even when you are it just is that it's made of the same material, you know?

Absolutely. Yeah, and they're so on trend. They've been around for a couple of years, but you can get them in a variety of shapes. If you're feeling more feminine, you can do like a knit shirt with a matching charigan. They even have sort of little sweater sets now that you can have like a little brolet and a matching target again and it makes your outfit feel tied together

without you having to do any thought. Yeah, like very, very intentional. And then just to point out, so you mentioned again with the sweatsuits, we're adding those extra pieces to pull it together. So it's about the shoe, it's about the topper. Probably about the bag. Probably about the bag.

Okay. Yeah, I think that you always have to be thinking about your outfit. Like you can put on your comfy stuff. Even if, frankly, it is leggings and a white t-shirt, you can make that look cute. Grab an oversized denim jacket and a great coat bag and a color and a big trendyy sneaker. All right. We talked about this a little bit when I was, having my initial call with you. But I'm really curious about the idea of like dressing for certain body types and the advice that we're given around that. As a short person, I have been told for my entire life that I should wear long lines, all the same color to trick people into somehow thinking I'm taller, which I'm not sure how they'll be tricked when they're looking physically

down at me. And then I also remember advice about using proportions to distract from like my pear shape. Do you think when we're dressing, are we distracting from our? apples or pears or these body type rules do you find them helpful? How do I say this diplomatically? I hate them. I hate them so much. And maybe it's an unpopular opinion. I have to be aware that I'm speaking from a thin body.

But I think that so much of it is bullshit. So much of it is steeped in patriarchy too. The idea that smaller is better, especially for women, doesn't end our bodies. It's also about our minds and our opinions and the physical volume of our voices. And that, to me, is so frustrating. It's probably very frustrating to my husband because I say, stop interrupting me all the time. but it's something that I think about so, so much when my clients are telling me, but doesn't that make me look bigger?

Doesn't that make me look wider? Accentuate my XYZ. I hate it. I always say sort of like, fuck, flattering. I hate the word fluttering. Interesting. What are we flattering? What does that mean?

Flattering for who? For your eyes? for male attention, for who? If you want to wear an outfit that is sort of body-hugging, body accentuating one day, go for it. If that's what you feel like wearing that day, if you feel like flattering your ass today,

let's do that. But if you feel like wearing something oversized and crazy and fashion forward that isn't traditionally flattering, also do that. Also play with that. Also have fun with that. We are losing the joy in our clothing when we limit ourselves to only frotering our bodies. And I say often, like, we can see you. I can see that you are five feet tall. I see that. There is no very much. To be very clear, I'm 5'1.1.5, so I just want to make it clear that Charlie is not talking about me individually because I am taller than that. Yeah, I'm 5'2 foot 2. I am practically a model. But you're not fooling people, essentially. And you're just kind of telling yourself mentally that you should be fooling people, but you're also not doing it. So it's like a double whammy of a negative outcome.

Right. You're not fooling. anyone and you were making yourself feel like you have to. Yeah. You're listening to the Healthier Together podcast. You all already know that I'm obsessed with these. They've been my trail and life companion for literally years. I honestly don't think that I've taken a single hike in the last maybe three years without a go macro bar. I also have one in my purse at all times. They are so delicious and they're one of the only bars out there that actually makes me feel full and not all sugar high jittery. We'll get into my favorite flavors in a second and I have very strong feelings about this. But first, a bit about go macro. They're a mother-daughter-owned company, which I love,

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Like, I got a million questions when I ask for questions about how do I dress my larger chest and not look boxy? Or how do I style so that my stomach doesn't have visible roles and things like that? What do you do when clients come to you with body-specific issues that they feel they need to hide? Or dress around, not even hide? Yeah, see, that's the word that I hate. But I'm not going to help you hide anything. I'm just not. If you want a stylist that is willing to help you hide your body,

then you come to the wrong person. You know, you talk sometimes about body neutral feelings or body loving feelings. I'm here to help with clothing that I think fits your body. I don't want you have anything that fits. poorly, but I do want you to have things that have a variety of shapes. And if you're a large tested, I think that sometimes they could pull a boxy targeting with a wide, like pant will look amazing and we'll try it on. And eight times I attend they'll be like, oh shit,

eight times does. I want people to try different things, and often they're very shocked, but in fact it doesn't make them look bigger, lighter, whatever. And also, I point out that everybody has something. If I've dressed to hide all of the things I don't particularly find my favorite things about myself, I would never leave the house. So if we're switching that narrative, though, is it just dressing, like when I'm trying to step on in the mirror, if I'm not dressing to look taller or to balance my pairship, am I literally, what should I be thinking as I'm dressing to know if I like something? Dress that? Do I like it? Does this feel like it's communicating, you know, fun, confidence and knowledge of fashion? Are you participating in a trend because you want it to, you know?

Are you wearing like right now skinny jeans are the big hubbub and. everybody's freaking out about skinny jeans. Yeah. And so we're doing like a straight-like pant. And so many of my try-in, so my husband says, I look, blank, right, blank. But I love them. So like, my, my, my, why do we care if we like it. Yeah.

I think it's a muscle, though. Like, I think it's hard to even know what you like after. long of being told, this is what you should wear, this is how you should dress for your body, this is how you should dress for the male gaze, et cetera, et cetera. It's really hard to kind of push through all of that and be like, what do I actually want to look like? I think that there's a lot of unlearning to do about all of the sort of fashion rules that we've been told. A lot of it came from stuff that I've voraciously read when I was young, like Cosmo. You remember it would be like, like,

Like, 16 fashion rules to fire your figure. Yeah, yeah. That, God, looking back at it now, half of that is absolute bullshit. And something I think you're totally right about it being a muscle that you have to flex. I think that it's really important for people to try stuff on. The assumption that anybody's stylist didn't try on 50 outfits to get there

is incorrect. I, again, you know, had the sort of awareness that I'm speaking from a thin body, but if you don't think that I don't try on probably eight pairs of jeans

that are before I found one that I may be like or wear different sizes at different stores or sometimes at the same store, I do. We all. you have to try stuff on, flexen up muscle, see what you like.

Go on Pinterest. Follow people on Instagram that you think are stylish and see if there are common amenities to what you like. I also loved you did a Pinterest tip that I thought was such a hot tip where you were like, don't search cute ball outfits. Search cute ball outfits 2021 because it puts it in random, I don't know, most popular. Or, like, you could be getting served stuff from 10 years ago. Yeah, Pinterest isn't promulogical.

That is such a good tip. So, like, if you're searching vacation outfits, you might be getting vacation outfits from 2001. Like, that ain't here. Which might be cute again these days. I feel like that's what the kids are wearing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But putting in the year, yeah, for sure, or putting in street style or,

fashion week, then you can really get probably some more extreme outfits, but you can take cues from them and be like, oh, I see a ton of oversized dresses or a ton of, you know, leatherman jackets, or a ton of chunky mitts, and then you can start to understand sort of the fashion vocabulary that is relevant for that season. And then you're shopping, you'll be able to be in X-Men or Zara and say, oh, there's that thing I saw, and I'm going to try it and see if I hate it. How do you approach trends? Like, do you buy a certain, do you recommend clients, not you, because I'm sure you buy more than I would buy, but how would you recommend clients approach trends in terms of how many different things to buy every season so that they feel they're keeping up, but also they're kind of keeping their, core long-term style. I think it's a bit to do with that sort of awareness piece,

like following people whose style you admire, seeing what they are doing, following your favorite brands, browsing the website, seeing those sort of commonalities again, and then thinking about what feels applicable to you and to your life and what do you like, and then picking one or two of those things every season and allocating your budget accordingly, you know, if it feels like a really kind of gimmicky, campy trend,

then don't allocate a ton of funds. But if it feels like something that might be sticking around, the sort of wider-like theme, maybe you want to invest in a really beautiful pair of genomes, but maybe you don't want to invest in like a little beard, Gen Z necklace, you know? That you can get on Amazon, that you don't have to invest in.

I was feeling really sad one night during the pandemic in, like, February. And I bought one of those, like, beaded. I was sad and drunk, to be clear. I bought one of those, like, beaded necklaces, and I bought it from a very trendy designer. or Dua Lifa has her necklace and Joe Jonas. And so I spent $200 on this faded necklace. And I woke up the next morning.

I was like, that's literally the stupidest thing you have ever done in your life. I can't believe you. And I regretted it instantly. But like she was already making it. I'd done the order. I'm like, okay, you supported a small business. Like, this is good for you. Okay.

Yeah. You saved your part. I did like a buying freeze, though. After that, I was just like trying to atone for my. And then every friend who sees it is like, yeah, that's a cute necklace. Like, did your niece make that for you? Yes, she did. No, she didn't.

Yeah, no, it's interesting. I think it's hard. When you say it, it feels obvious, but I think it can be hard to know, are those crisscross genes going to be around for a while? It's hard to identify which are the things that are going to stick around and are worth investing in and which are the beaded necklaces. or I feel like those brightly colored, checkered outfits are like not going to be around for it. But I think it can be hard to identify that.

Do you have a trick knowing what's going to stay versus what's brief? I think that things that involve a big sort of shape or proportion change are more likely to have some longevity than something like a cover or texture. So from skinny to straight leg or mom jeans is more likely to stick around than like the crazy pattern things. Right. Or like a shape of a shoe. Rounded toes have sort of receded and now we're into like square and poignant things that involves sort of the big shape or proportion change. Those are ones that I think that used to be paying attention to. And the other kind of noisier stuff

like patterns and colors and beaded necklaces and crissed necklaces and crissed fries, that stuff is like fun and passing and if you want to participate, great. But if you don't,

then I think you can probably rest assured in 24 months. It's not really to matter. I really want the beaten necklace trend to just stay around forever. I'm hoping that just becomes a classic. Well, you've been nexted now, yeah. Yeah.

I will insist that it stays around from. I use every bit of my impleinter power to be like, guys, be it in necklace. Have you heard the beaten necklace? Oh, actually, I was going to quiz you on stores, but I forgot. I have one question, and I mostly want to use this to argue with my mother. So we'll see how it goes. But she's been telling me that I'm a winter, my whole life, and that I need to wear bright colors because I'm a winter. and I'm curious if you're a winter or a summer.

I don't know if there's fall and spring or if you're just a winter, but if you believe there's colors that fit a person and they should kind of stick to that palette or if that's total bullshit. I think it's total bullshit. That's my answer. I hope my mom's listening to this episode. I think that's crazy. I get if you have a summer that you feel looks best on you

or it makes you feel your best, amazing. Keep that in your back pocket but the thing that I hate, hate, hate, hate, hate is much of what we talked about here. These goddamn rules that stop us from trying

shit on, from having any fucking fun with our clothing and from getting to know what we like. How are we supposed to know what we like if every time

be going to Zazaar, go like them. I can't wear white my pants. I can't wear blue. I can't wear green. I can't do a tight top. Pink isn't for me. You're limiting yourself so much. Go in there.

Try what you want. Experiment. And don't take advice from people you wouldn't want advice from. Like who you wouldn't want to look like. I think that's one of the biggest life rules that people forget is if you

don't want your life to look like that person's in whatever way they're giving advice. It doesn't need to be universal. If you don't want your hair to look like your hairstylist, if you don't like her hair, don't have her be your hairstylist. Right. If you don't like the shape of somebody's career, don't go to them for career advice. And I think we, especially with friends, I feel like we're so like, what would my friend say about this dating situation?

And you wouldn't want your dating life to look like that friend. Yeah. I think that when I'm enjoying, I said, I think, like, don't take direction. from people in like places that they've never been or something like that. Totally. And that's so true. You know, oh, your husband doesn't like your jeans. Well, your husband is very manned sandro.

So, you know, like, second. My husband is not where I go for fashion advice. He just isn't. It's such a good point. It's such a good point. You're listening to the Healthier Together podcast. When I worked as a magazine editor, I wrote more than a thousand articles about turmeric because pretty much all of the doctors that I used as sources kept recommending it or citing

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with your Instagram is going to be like, but she's giving us rules all the time. She's telling us what's cool and not cool. So why are those rules helpful and these other rules not helpful? I try not to give you rules about how to dress, but I am going to talk you about things that are updated. Okay. So if you want to try this wardrobe approach, here's the cool way to do it versus the not cool way to do it. But this approach is open to anybody and it's not off limits to anybody, basically. For sure. All people are welcome to be stylish.

stylish is for everybody, it's for everybody, but I, I know, is that true that I don't give people of rules? Probably not. But I'm always doing it in the interest of better style. I don't like rules that are exclusionary saying that something isn't for you because of your body, because of your skin tone. That feels insane. It might be. not be for you because it's from 2008, but it's not because it's red, you know? Okay. That's interesting. And I do on my Instagram is definitely somebody's a general sense.

I try to do as much widely received fashion knowledge as possible, but we do always say, like, if you want more specific help, if you are really struggling with. your exact body type. If you have a particular life change or something that has happened and you need help from me or from our team, then we've got personal shopping. We've got more or those our halls. We are here to help people with those specific problems if they can't find the answers they've wanted in Instagram stories. Well, and I love the cool, not cool, because it almost feels like you're helping me learn a language where I'm like, something is off about this and I don't know why, and then you explain why. And then I like something about this, but I don't know what, and then

you explain what. Yeah, you and I talk to them. We have a celebrity theory or you have a celebrity theory about tight baggy or something. Yeah, Courtney Kardashian. I like her style a lot. Say what you about the Kardashians, but I love her style. And I do like the Kardashians for what it's worth. Yeah, I do too. I like them. I think they're entertaining. And I also think that we as a society need to stop elevating people onto platforms and then getting mad at them for having platforms, because like we put them right. That's on us. That's a reflection of us. If we don't like who we're elevating, I think as a society, we need to take a good, long, hard look in the mirror and then maybe we can talk about things more. You know? We have some evaluating to do, yeah. But I noticed that when

she's wearing tight on bottom, she's wearing really baggy on top. And And then if she's wearing really tight on top, she's wearing like quite baggy on bottom. And I called it no medium dressing when I talked to you about it. Because it's like I feel like I wear things that are fit me medium, like a sweater that's like not oversized but not fitted. A pant that's not oversized but not fitted. And then you talk to me about juxtaposition and proportions. Right. So you're totally right.

Like not medium dressing. Oh, God. Now I'm going to talk about that on Instagram. I tell what I give up dressing. It happens a lot to new moms and no judgment because I've been there. I've been there twice. And it's so easy to lose yourself in a million sort of life stages, but particularly in new motherhood and feel strange about the big change that your body

has just gone through and you end up wearing those medium clothes sort of the slugby leggings t-shirt chargigan combination and by the time your kids are in tender drawing you realize that you're still bearing it and very often women at that very point are coming to me and saying what the hell happened to me and it is that medium dressing that is hard to nail, let's say. So that juxtaposition thing that we were talking about and that you totally understood with a knowing that you understood it is that proportion play. The very slim with the very oversized.

The heavily textured with a cotton basic. The masculine with the feminine. The dress to position is what. What makes fashion interesting is what makes an outfit interesting. It's what frames dimension. And you'll notice it everywhere, the more you start thinking about it. Well, and the thing that brought it home for me was even in home design, we're looking for that. We are looking for hard and soft.

Or it looks chic when you have like a farmhouse decor, but then you bring in these modern elements. Not all one thing. Right. Things to contrast. Exactly. It's why people love the, you know, Joanna James. Modern farmhouse. those things are opposite.

And the reason they worth, the reason they feel stylish and fresh and dimensional is the juxtaposition of those two things. All right, let's do some quickfire. Particularly, let's do some quick fire around stores and places to shop.

What are your favorite places to shop for trendy pieces for mixing those really on-trend things into our wardrobe? Zara is amazing. Every week there's something new with Zara and you can always find cheaper version of the big fat trend as you are. What are your favorite places to shop for high quality basics? In Canada, we have home rent rooms.

So in the States, it would probably be somewhere like Nordstrom, Sachs, and generally to sort of those higher-end brands for a really good quality modem or tensile or chopin basic. And are those for basics that you think we should? should be having in our wardrobe. Are those jeans, white t-shirts, or that blazer that you mentioned earlier, that should be probably high quality because that's going to be around forever? I mean, disagree, partly. I really believe that spending money, even on basic, is going to increase your longevity, especially if you're wearing it a ton, you're probably washing it a ton.

and frankly some of the most expensive things that I have bought they last the same amount of time like I spent a ton of money on a knit from a fancy store and it lasted as long as my zara and it's from that season gym

so something that I really focus on is affordable attainable fashion like you don't have to spend a ton of money I don't think on anything if you want to, but if you are assigning big drawers, it should be to bags and coats. Okay. Yeah. It makes sense. They do last so much longer. Right. And you're not washing them. And you're wearing them tired on the outside of outfits. Right. And you're not washing and wearing them at each time.

What are your favorite places to shop for shoes? Here we have Ozo and Tawart Spring. Do we get you with have a pair of shoes from Ojo? No. But we have all of them. Aldo here. Okay, I love Ardo. We did DSW for me and 9 West for my Chunky Lofer. Yeah, Aldo and Spring are really good for super

affordable shoes. So I thought it would be like Steve Madden and then for something beautiful quality that should have been a really long time, Stuart Wrightsman has beautiful shoes. Are these all comfortable-ish?

brother shisley I also have decided I don't know your thoughts on this I'm going to take the heels that you head me by and I'm just going to go get the most comfortable orthopedic inserts that I can get

and just put them in the heel correct okay do that yeah I feel like because that's often what you're paying for in some of the stuff so if you can get clear of Steve Madden shoes

and then just get that orthopedic insert you're like golden especially if you can't see it like a loafer or a sneaker or a pump with a bag Yeah, put an insert in there. Even if you have to size up a half the size, perfect.

So we've mentioned the handbags a lot. Where would you shop on the affordable end for handbags? And then where would you shop if you wanted to invest in a handbag? Favorite place right now for affordable handbags is mango. They are managing to do really expensive-looking, trendy and sort of staple pieces that when they arrive they arrive and you're like oh man this is heavy the leather is beautiful the hardware is textured

those bags that they are putting out are really incredible obviously Zara and AGM they always have a great collection of accessories and then if you're looking for something more high end you should be looking at your favorite designers This is a place where you can kind of bring in sustainability and you can shop second hand. Parshmark is amazing. I'm sure in whatever city you're in,

you probably have a H-consignment or a luxury reseller. I love mine and yours. They're at Vancouver. And they have like, oh, God, this swoon worthy handbags that like half the price, and then you can sell your gently used designer items It's actually a nice way to kind of make fashion a bit more difficult. But otherwise, yeah, your beautiful luxury designer stores, go in there and invest.

What about favorite places to shop for jeans, particularly jeans that are size inclusive? James is tricky. Probably the trickiest thing to buy for everybody, I would say. dreams at the mall are made for one body type and it doesn't matter who you are it never feels like it's you I really like Eryxia they have genin form and ageology

they are really beautiful probably genim it is only straight sizing I think they go up to 14 maybe 16 Elkwee for plus zeros they have really great genin Torrid has some really good genin. Abercrombie for Curvier Girls. They've done some really innovative stuff for Genham.

I've heard that the in-store experience hasn't changed. It just smells like you're in high school. Yeah. Yeah. It smells like the high school prom in there. Nobody's doing you talk to you. But online, they had a whole range of Jenin that, their traveling curve was. And so it has more fabric in the hip and a tighter waistband.

That's my thing, 100%. Yeah. If it fits my butt, it's gaping at my waist, guaranteed. And a lot of women have that problem and the most of the twos of others with genin, and I always say to tailor your jeans. I am, again, in a pretty thin body. But, I tamer every pair of jeans I have. Every pair. You buy them and how do you know when it's good enough to tailor? If it fits in my hips but it's gaping at my waist, is that what I'm looking for? And then I bring it in and they make it tighter at my waist.

Or do I just buy something that's overall, bigger everywhere and they make it fit me? For your body shape, yes. So you're going to fit generally the biggest part of you and then tamer what needs to be tamered down. Okay. Easier to tamer down and up, right? So for you, you'd be spinning your thigh and your bum and then they'd be able to sink in at the back. Okay. But for another dorm that maybe carries more of her weight in her stomach, she'd be fitting her weight and then potentially tamering through the head.

So fit your largest part as and be a weight. When you love the fit on your largest part, then you tailor the rest to match that. Exactly. Okay, cool. All right. This is a question that a listener had that I thought was really interesting. What's the difference when I'm paying $200 for jeans versus like $100 jeans? Am I getting a different quality of gene?

It depends where you're shopping. Sometimes no, sometimes yes. Usually a merger of a really cheap pair of jeans is a really ton of stretch in it. Those super elasticity jeans, they are not going to have a very wrong life. Those elasticity properties break down very easily. You can stretch them out. You can put them in hot water to wash them and physically break those pieces of stretch.

So often you'll find that higher probability genes has a bit of a stiffer texture because it doesn't have as high an elastic content. So sometimes you are paying for a much higher problem with genin. Sometimes you're just paying for a label. It really depends. I think that you can get a really good quality pair of jeans for under a hundred dollars. And then can you just end us on five items that you think every single person should have in their closet,

and that's our excellent base? Oh, yeah, okay. A light, stoop neck bodysuit. Ooh. I'll get back to the other four. You single-handedly converted me to body suits. I used to buy body suit sometimes. and then just cut off, I don't know, the vagina snaps.

I don't know what those are called. I was just like, why am I having this thing strapped around my butt and stuff? If I don't have to, if I can just tuck it in. And then you were like, you're never going to get the lines with a tucked in shirt that you're going to get with a body suit. And I started paying attention to that. And I was like, oh, my gosh, she's right. It's a completely different the way it sits and it doesn't bunch or wrinkle.

Right. The hole that you get on that nice tight body suit is so different than like shoving a long tent shop into your jeans. And a body suit versus a tucked in top because you're looking for that pole, which is giving your vagina's acting as a beautiful anchor for your app. Your vagina, as always, is acting as a beautiful anchor. Yeah. Okay, so what are the other for? So a light soup neck body suit, I think you have to have a really great black blazer, whether it is sort of an oversized, boxy vibe, or if it's something a bit swimmer in proportion, I think you have to have a great black blazer. That will go over a dress for wedding, and it will go over a pair of jeans. Amazing. I think you have to have one perfect pair of denim. That means perfect for you.

It can be a pair of skinnies, if those are your favorite. Or it can be a pair of live bag or a pair of straight crops. Something in a really beautiful blue, not too much distressing, something classic. I think everybody should have a pair of nude pumps, just like the pair of shoes that you put on. You can't fucking figure out what pair shoes to wear. me pair of shoes. Aldo has a great pair of new pumps they do every year.

I think they're called like the Sessie. They're a lubutum mosh off. Perfect. And lastly, I think, I don't want to say a little black dress, but your dress. The dress that you put on that makes you feel great,

whether it makes you feel feminine or badass or style. or whatever it is, addresses the easiest thing to there, I think. It is just run and done. And that way you can throw back dress on with your black blazer, a pair of sneakers, at the door.

Good to go. All right. If people want to follow you on Instagram or find out more about your styling, where should they go? They can go to www.orgia.com or you can find me on Instagram. I'm just at Travea Yon.

We've danced around some of the different stuff you do, but do you want to just kind of briefly talk about what you do over on Charlie Goss, Charlie with no E, C-H-A-R-L-L-C-Y, Goss. Yep. Used to be just me, but now as a team. we are Lord's Robben Fashion Stylus and we also do the interior project so kind of helping women

find their style however we can a lot of women just don't feel like to have the confidence to do it on their own so that's where we come in I'm also sort of the fashion educator by accident

on Instagram and that's what we do over there we talk about what is cool what is not cool how to make outfits amazing the mistakes that you might be making, have a fix them. I show you what I'm buying, what I'm wearing, what's new in store, all of the things.

Love that. Love that. I highly recommend following your Instagram. I feel like I learn something new every single day, honestly. It's been very eye-opening for me. And I really appreciate you sharing all this wisdom with us here. I'm so excited to go tell my mom that her color theory is not relevant. Yes, that I'm going to go wear the summer colors. I'm going to look fabulous doing it. Yeah, you are. Okay, well, thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it. It's been so fun working together and hope to tag again soon.

I hope you loved this episode with Charlie. I'm just like in love with her. I think she's so cool, so awesome. And she's honestly just changed how I approach my own style in my life. And I feel so much more confidence since I started working with her since I started following her and all of that. So I hope you were imbued with a little bit of her wisdom, with a little bit of her confidence. Remember, you can find her on Instagram.

She is at Charlie Goss. I would love to hear your thoughts, feedback reaction. I want to see any cute outfits that you put together after listening to this episode. So definitely screenshot, take pictures of yourself. Go shopping and take pictures of yourself and tag me on Instagram. I am at Liz Moody. Also tag Charlie. She would love to see, I'm sure.

And if you did love the episode, I would so appreciate a quick rating or review. on whatever podcast platform that you listen to takes two seconds. I promise. I try to do it like once a month. I go through to all the podcasts that I'm listening to at the moment. And I do a quick rating or review because it's free to me and it helps the content creators so, so much. So if you do do that or if you have done that in the past, I appreciate you from the bottom

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