The Liz Moody Podcast - Trad Wives, MAHA, & Alt Right Wellness: How We Got Here & Where We Can Go Next

Episode Date: July 14, 2025

In this episode, I’m diving into something deeply personal and incredibly important: the ways women have been left behind in conversations around health, autonomy, and identity. The traditional medical world has systematically excluded women—not just in research, but in how care is delivered, diagnosed, and dismissed. It’s frustrating, it’s heartbreaking, and it’s time we talked about it. I’m breaking down the growing movements that are trying to fill in the gaps: what they get right, where they fall short, and why they matter. We’re going to take a close look at the MAHA movement, which centers on reclaiming holistic health and empowering women to take their well-being into their own hands.  I’m also going to unpack the rise of the “Trad Wife” movement, where some women are embracing ultra-traditional gender roles. What’s behind this shift? Why are more and more women turning away from modern ideals, and what does that say about the support systems we have (or don’t have) in place?  Importantly, I’m asking the big question: where do we go from here? Whether these ideas feel empowering, concerning, or confusing to you, this conversation is about understanding the why behind the movements—and imagining a future where women feel fully seen, heard, and supported. All sources for information in this episode can be found on this episode’s webpage. Ready to uplevel every part of your life? Order Liz’s book 100 Ways to Change Your Life: The Science of Leveling Up Health, Happiness, Relationships & Success now!  Connect with Liz on Instagram @lizmoody or online at www.lizmoody.com. Subscribe to the substack by visiting https://lizmoody.substack.com/welcome. To join The Liz Moody Podcast Club Facebook group, go to www.facebook.com/groups/thelizmoodypodcast. Check out the previous episodes of The Liz Moody Podcast discussed today: The 7 Key Habits You Need For Any Health Journey Invisible Labor IS DAMAGING YOUR RELATIONSHIPS–But This 6 Minute Exercise Can Change Everything with Eve Rodsky The Ways We’re Being Manipulated Online + How To Tell What’s True In The Wellness World & Beyond This episode is brought to you completely free thanks to the following podcast sponsors: LMNT: go to DrinkLMNT.com/LizMoody to get a free LMNT sample pack with any order. The Liz Moody Podcast cover art by Zack. The Liz Moody Podcast music by Alex Ruimy. Formerly the Healthier Together Podcast.  This podcast and website represents the opinions of Liz Moody and her guests to the show. The content here should not be taken as medical advice. The content here is for information purposes only, and because each person is so unique, please consult your healthcare professional for any medical questions. The Liz Moody Podcast Episode 346. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello, friends, and welcome back to the Liz Moody podcast. We have a dozy of an episode today about a topic that is incredibly complicated, incredibly important, and incredibly controversial. Today, we are going to get into Maha or the Make America Healthy movement spearheaded by RFK Jr. We're going to get into Tradwives and we're going to get into the crunchy to alt-right pipeline. And if you are not sure how all of these things connect right now, do not worry. you will very much get it by the end of the episode. We are going to talk about how we got here, the real reasons for it that I haven't seen anyone else talking about.

We're going to talk about where I stand on all of these things. And because, you know, I love action steps where I think we need to go from here. So let's start with a quick lay of the land. The Maha movement is championed by RFK Jr. He is the current head of the Department of Health and Human Services. And it is centered around stopping America's chronic disease epidemic. The Maha movement points to things like food dyes and additives and corruption in big food and pharma for the reasons behind this epidemic. And they also champion the idea of health freedom, much of which is centered around the idea of freedom from vaccine mandates.

Trad wives have come up recently on social media. If you have seen a reel of a woman baking sourdough from scratch in a beautiful dress and talking about making her husband and kids happy, you have seen a trad wife. A lot of the movement is around the bliss. of homemaking, about motherhood is the highest calling that a woman can have, and about husbands being traditional men and providers. And last, but not least, when I say crunchy to all right pipeline, I'm referencing an idea that's become more pervasive in the wellness world, where you start by questioning the ingredients in your toothpaste, and then you end up questioning everything, culminating in a really deep distrust of most or all institutions and institutional

knowledge. So that is what we're going to be talking about today. How these three things connect, how they became pervasive, the legitimacy of each of the movement, and where we go from here. The very first thing I want to say is I get it. When I spend the day running my business and trying to make money to support my family, and then I picture doing that with kids and doing it for the next 20 to 30 years, and I log into social media and I see Nara Smith or ballerina farm making jam and it's calm and it's soothing and it's lovely. I think, man, that looks better. We have girl bossed ourselves right into the sun. We have optimized our habits and our wellness routines and our lives. And women are still taking on the vast majority of the mental load at home. I completely get

the appeal of trad wife life. And it really doesn't take a lot of interaction with the medical system in the United States of America to understand a lot of what's happening on the Maha or crunchy to all right side as well. I have a really close loved one who spent the past year trying to figure out and get help for a serious diagnosis and it has been truly a terrible experience. It is so hard to find good doctors to organize all these different specialists to even know who to see in the first place. He has gotten real results by working with functional practitioners that are outside of insurance, which is a huge privilege and is not accessible for. for the average U.S. citizen, any person who has had a brush with our medical care system can

see the problems. And any person who looks around and they see friends and family members who are just racking up these diagnoses who don't feel good in their own brains or their bodies will resonate with the idea that America is unhealthy and they'll feel the frustration that accompanies that. And there are some real problems with all of these movements that I want to talk about. But first, I want to get into the real reason why we are here in the first place. A big, big reason why people and especially women are opting out of the traditional medicine world is because the traditional medicine world has left them out for years and years and years. Let's go back to the late 1950s to what's been called one of the biggest modern medical disasters.

There was a drug called thalidomide, which was given to a lot of women who were dealing with morning sickness. it was thought to be safe until people realized that it was not. Babies started dying at birth. It's estimated up to 40% of babies whose mothers took this drug died. And the ones who did not die had severe brain damage. They had limb damage or other issues. It was terrible. It was a really, really awful situation.

And it was one of the key inciting incidents for a guideline issued by the FDA in 1977, recommending that women of childbearing age, not be included in clinical trials, specifically for pharmaceuticals. This guideline came from a good place. Like, look at the harm that pharmaceuticals compose to the fetus or the impact that they can have on a woman's ability to reproduce. The guideline was also due to the hormonal complexity of women. Essentially, the fact that women have a month-long hormonal cycle, which is inherently different

to a man with a 24-hour hormonal cycle. The hormonal changes that happen throughout the month create a new variable to account for in research. Like, is a drug behaving a way because of higher progesterone levels after ovulation? How do estrogen levels impact things? And instead of figuring that out or figuring out an alternative to the testing drugs on women of a childbearing age problem, the FDA decided it was much easier to just exclude women completely. The concern around the complexity of women and testing was so pervasive that scientists even avoided testing female rodents, like rats and mice, in their research. This guideline was not reversed until 1993 when the NIH mandated that

women and minorities were included in clinical studies, which created a gap of 16 years when all of these clinical trials were coming out. There were all of these findings and none of the research was done on women. And even though the guideline, was reversed, it still reverberates throughout the scientific community. It has been 30 years since the NIH said, no, we need to include women. And still, men are considered the default and many, many, many medical recommendations are based on male-centered evidence. Women spend more money out-of-pocket on health care every year. They receive less coverage for the same insurance plans. They delay care due to costs. They face transportation issues when attending medical appointments.

all of these issues, everything that we've talked about, are exacerbated by the gender pay gap. And once they get to the doctor, up to 84% of women report feeling unheard and doctors are far more likely to diagnose women's pain as being emotionally driven rather than physically. I have a girlfriend who kept going to the doctor for digestive issues. She went over and over and over and the doctor kept telling her that she was stressed and that she should just slow down. And first of all, she was like telling me that my health issues are the result of stress is just making me more stressed and doesn't help with the real causes of my stress. And it turns out that she had freaking stomach cancer.

And it went undiagnosed for eight months because her doctor just kept telling her that she was stressed. I also do not need to tell you that women receive less imaging, delayed treatment, and less pain management than men. If men had to get an IUD, it would 100% be an under anesthesia procedure, but I was just told to take two Tylenol and that I would be able to go back to work that day. Flash forward to me writhing in the back of a taxi, sobbing, debating if I should reach up and pull the IUD out by myself because it hurt so bad. And also, I was alone because my doctor told me that it was a really chill procedure and that Zach should just stay home. And all of this is even worse for people of color.

Serena Williams, who is one of the richest, most famous women on the planet, she had a history of blood clot. And the day after she gave birth, she felt short of breath. And she suspected a blood clot in her lungs. She alerted her nurse. She shared her medical history. And she said she needed a CT scan and a blood thinner. And the nurse was like, nah, I think your pain meds are making you loopy.

Serena insisted on a CT scan. And guess what? She had blood clots in her lungs. She was able to get treatment, but not before she had complications that left her on bed rest for the first six weeks of motherhood. And again, this is a woman who has everything going for her in terms of wealth and ability to advocate for herself. It is horrifying to imagine what is happening to women without these advantages every single day, which is one of the reasons why maternal mortality rates are abysmal in this country. and they are even worse for black women. So you're like, Liz, that's all really interesting.

But how does this connect to the Tradwife movement, to Maha, to the crunchy to all right pipeline? Well, women have been ignored, dismissed, and not included in the modern medical world for years and years and years. When their pain is ignored, when the treatments aren't tested on them, when they aren't included in the research, when we don't fund women's health issues like PCOS and endometriosis, When we have the 65th worst maternal mortality rates in the world below Lebanon and Malaysia and Kazakhstan, when we tell women that their cancer is stress, it should not be surprising that women are choosing to opt out of the system to look for alternative paths of care. It shouldn't be surprising that people are having a hard time trusting doctors in science because these things are not serving them in very real ways. The system isn't just flawed. For many women, it feels actively hostile. So when you see an influencer offering a vision of a life that's gentle, that's domestic, that's free from the daily battle of proving that your pain is real or your worth is valid, it's not just appealing. It can feel like a lifeline. It's a rejection of a world that refuses to accommodate or care for you. And when you see a political movement that validates your deep-seated distrust up. of the medical establishment that says, yes, they are failing you. Yes, you are right to be angry.

It is incredibly powerful. These movements are flourishing in a vacuum left by our broken systems. They are a direct, predictable, and deeply human response to being told time and time again that your body, your pain, and your life just don't matter. And it's led to a political shift to the right because the right tends to be far more anti-institutionalism. Conservatives tend to value individual responsibility and want less oversight trying to eschew the idea of public health for the idea of personal health. The pandemic also contributed to this. In my opinion, how our media and public health messaging handled COVID was just generally

a huge miss. And I know a lot of people were doing the best that they could with the information that they had available at the time. but vaccine skepticism and hesitancy was not really met with patients or empowerment from the government, which likely isolated people with questions even more. There was this idea of herd immunity that if everyone got the COVID vaccine, we could prevent the spread, much like we did with things like measles. And when we realized that COVID mutates that herd immunity wasn't going to be possible

because the virus changed too quickly, that wasn't communicated properly. So you had this whole group of people pressuring everyone else to get a vaccine, with the goal of herd immunity, which was not going to be the solution. And the government did a terrible job of communicating the modified purpose of the vaccine, which was to reduce hospitalization, to reduce death, to reduce acute strain on medical systems. So when people got the vaccine and then they got COVID, people felt lied to when in reality they just did not have the correct information. And then we had social media on top of all of that.

First of all, there's just the obvious miss and disinformation on social media. There is so much of it, so much more than most of us realize. And the thing that a lot of people don't know is that the algorithms incentivize it. They drive a culture of skepticism and extreme views because the most out there views, the most controversial views inspire the strongest reactions, and then they get sent out to more people. So it's not like you're swiping on social media and some of what you see might be right and some of it might be wrong. The algorithm is designed, so you are more likely to see incorrect or fringe information. You are more likely to see extreme viewpoints than reasonable ones.

But because we're not told this, we think that what we are seeing is just normal, accepted reality. On top of that, social media encourages performative wellness. Because it's literally something that you are watching, the wellness that you are seeing has to be performed by design. It is incredibly hard. I've tried to do this to make a compelling performance about the importance of clean air or green spaces or having more patient doctor facetime or insurance, but you can make a great social media post baking sourdough in a serene environment with an ASMR voiceover. You can make a great social media post where you're wearing blue blocking glasses or dunking yourself in an ice bath, which all adds to the idea that wellness is something that's individual,

that there's something that you can do or a product that you can buy to feel better and that it's separate from the system, that it's on us to buy and optimize our way into feeling well. And the wellness industry has run with that. It is a multi-trillion dollar industry and it exploded during the pandemic when so much of our health was out of our control and we really wanted to move the needle on what was in our control. All of which is to say, there are very real factors at play for how we ended up here. And as long as we ignore those factors, we're not going to be able to address them and make the real changes and improvements that need to happen. And real changes and improvements need to happen. So here is my honest and real opinion on the

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And they plan to rescind or reconsider limits on four other PFA's chemicals. PFAs, if you're not familiar with them, are forever chemicals. They basically degrade really, really slowly. So they build up in our bodies. They build up in the environment and they have widely known health effects. Avoiding them is a really big part of the Maha movement. And this administration is preventing their removal, which is a really strong reversal from the Biden administration's National Drinking Water Standard, which authorized a billion dollars to test and treat PIFAs in the water. It just doesn't add up.

They say they want one thing and then they're acting in opposition to the thing that they say they want. This is the same with pesticides. They're saying, let's get our pesticides out of our food. But in 2015, Obama proposed a ban on something called chlorpyrifus, which is a pesticide that's been linked to neural. issues in children, and the Trump administration blocked the progress of this ban, going against scientific consensus and leaving the pesticide on the market. Did you guys know this was happening? I didn't. I was shocked when I did the research into these things. It is so antithetical to many of the stated beliefs of the Maha movement that it honestly shocked me. The current administration

also just passed legislation that will cost millions of people their health care coverage. It will close many hospitals, especially in rural areas, and it'll make insurance premiums go up across the board. This is not making us healthy again. This is making it harder for us to get the health care coverage that we need. One of the main purported goals of the Maha movement is to prevent and reverse the chronic disease issues plaguing this country. I agree with that. I want to do that. And I think that the myopic focus on things like raw milk and food. does, misses the point. Drinking clean water and breathing clean air impact our health far more than red 40. Do I love artificial colors? I don't. Do I think that they matter more than supporting

scientific research or hospitals or cleaning up our air or limiting toxic pesticide exposure? I do not. I think personal health is so important. It's a lot of what we talk about on this podcast. And I feel so strongly that we are empowered to change so many of our outcomes. I have seen incredible results from people changing the way that they eat and live. I've seen it in my own life, in concrete numbers, in lab tests. And this is important. I think there is a way to approach personal health that is grounded in science and that does not require you to buy a ton of stuff.

I made a foundational health episode. It's called The Seven Key Habits for Any Health Journey. I can link it in the show notes. But those are the things that I think are the foundation of health. And almost every single thing in that episode does not cost you money. And the and is so important here. We cannot personal health our way out of air that's increasingly toxic. We cannot personal health our way out of access or equity issues.

We cannot personal health our way out of a hospital that's closed or insurance premiums that make life-saving care a financial concern. We cannot personal health are way. into research that results in real treatments for women's health issues or improves maternal mortality outcomes. I understand the push toward personal health. I think there can be so much power found there. And we cannot and should not lead people to believe that their health is entirely the result of their individual actions. So I've asked myself, why would the Maha movement from the current administration do things like preventing or stopping, testing of chemicals in our drinking water, eliminating of chemicals from our drinking water, cleaning up our air, cleaning up our environment, all these really

important things to our health, and focus instead on much smaller things like red food dye. And I know this may be controversial, but I want to be completely honest with you all. And if I am being completely honest, the part of my brain that is the most skeptical, that believes the most insidious things, thinks that the leaders of the Maha movement are using people's genuine and deserved interest in feeling better to gain power for themselves. And they are distracting all of us with things like raw milk, which impacts the tiniest percentage of the population, while making these sweeping changes that largely benefit large corporations, making the very richest people in the world even richer, because they're not,

those are the people who lobby and donate to support the campaigns. I don't know. I don't know to tell you. This is all I can come back to. I circle it and circle it and circle it in my head. And I cannot come up with another explanation for the actions taken being so different than the purported intent of this type of movement. So where do we go from here?

You know, I cannot leave you without some tangible action steps because feeling frustrated or confused or helpless about our health is a huge part of the problem. It can feel really daunting because as we have discussed, the system itself is the root of so many of these issues. So that's why I think that awareness and learning is a huge, huge part of the solution. So just by listening to this episode, you've taken a hugely important step in framing the problem. Also, for that reason, please, please share this episode with everyone you know so we can

have this conversation, we can inform ourselves. I also think that science communicators need to explain better the structure of the scientific process and the system. Going back to the pandemic, when recommendations kept updating, people were like, see, this is proof that science is wrong and we shouldn't trust it. But this is what science is. You get new information and you update the recommendations based on consensus. Science is always trying to disprove itself. The evolution is the goal with science. We want to look back and say, wow, look how far we've come. And outside of shifts in mindset and shifts in perspective and shifts in how we think about

these things, there are also some very concrete, very real action steps that we can all take. Action step number one, we can get radically good at advocating for ourselves and for our loved ones within the broken system. This is something that comes up over and over again on the podcast. Become a meticulous record keeper of your own health. Before a doctor's appointment, write down your symptoms, write down when they started, and what makes them better or worse, write down your specific questions. And if a doctor dismisses your pain, especially if they write it off as stress or anxiety, practice saying, thank you for that perspective.

What physical causes can we rule out first? ask them to document if they deny you the treatment that you ask for. Ask for the test. Insist on a second opinion. Be Serena Williams. And let's extend this beyond ourselves. Be the person who goes with your friend to her appointment to be a second set of ears and a voice of support.

Be the advocate for your sister, for your mother, for your friend, who might be too exhausted or in too much pain to fight for herself right now. We should not have to do this. I want to be so clear on that. But right now we do, and this is how we're going to get the outcomes that we deserve. Speaking of being exhausted, the trad wife movement is disguising the very real conversation that we need to have in this country. We are not supporting women. We need to be having real conversations about the work culture that was designed by and for men with wives at home.

We need to fight for policies like robust paid parental leave for all. all parents for flexible hours for affordable child care. These are not nice to haves. These are fundamental support systems that would prevent so many women from feeling like opting out is the only way to maintain their sanity. The Tradwife movement is letting us avoid these conversations by glamorizing a solution that is not real. We are burnt out.

We are tired. That is real. The fix isn't hearkening back to a time when women didn't have a moment. credit cards, which we got in 1974, by the way, or a time when women were given valium to deal with the anxiety of their daily lives so frequently that it became colloquially known as Mother's Little Helper. Glamourizing the past sweeps the reality of it under the rug, and again, more importantly, it lets us continue to get away with not addressing these problems, not creating real solutions. We need to create systemic change. We need child care

solutions. We need maternal health care. We need to have real conversations about division of labor, not just physical tasks, but mental load. I have an episode with Fairplay founder Evrodski. I can link that in the show notes all about how to practically do this. And we need to remember that like everything we see on social media, the trad wives are not real. Many of them have massive amounts of family money supporting their idyllic lifestyle. Almost all of them are making huge amount of money, like millions of dollars, by portraying traditional wives, which means they are actually the wage earners, the working moms, while they are influencing other women to drop out of that career. And the women who are influenced who do end up dropping out

of the working world often don't have access to that same level of money or safety that the trad wives do. And honestly, that scares the shit out of me. It is up to every partnership to navigate how they handle money, but considering the power imbalances, making sure that every person involved has decision-making abilities and an out if needed is so, so important. Let's fix the root cause, not lie to women about a solution that ultimately leaves them worse off. We also have to get savvy about how we consume information and engage with social media because these problems are just going to get worse as AI comes even more into the picture. That is another huge action step.

If you see something online, check the original source. I have a whole episode about fact-checking the information that we see online quickly that I can link in the show notes. But I want you to remember the algorithm is designed to show you the most extreme, most emotionally activating content, not the most accurate. So take control, unfollow accounts that make you feel like your health is a performance or a problem that can only be solved by buying something. or people who are actively trying to stoke fear and outrage. The goal should be nuanced understanding. Actively seek out and follow credentialed experts and pay attention to the consensus, not the lone wolf with the contrarian take,

who, again, that's the person who social media is going to amplify. That is the person that social media is going to put in front of you and make you think is what the general public is saying. Something that I always look for and that we try to do on, this podcast is not looking for evidence to support an answer that we already have. So when we're researching, we're not thinking raw milk is good for us or raw milk is bad for us and then looking for science to support that because these days you can pretty much find something to support any viewpoint. Instead, we're asking, what does scientific consensus and current existing evidence say about

raw milk? And we are looking at all sides. Make it a practice to catch. yourself when you're looking for evidence to support something that you already believe versus what the actual evidence says. This is how good science and good journalism are conducted. We have to be able to hold two truths at once. We have to critique the system without tossing out everything that it's given us. It is not about throwing the science baby out with the science bathwater. The bathwater is the historical exclusion of women. the frustratingly slow pace of research, the flawed public health messaging. And we are right to want to change it.

But the baby is all of the incredible things that science has given us, the process that gave us antibiotics and modern surgery, and the very tools that we use to identify the flaws that we have talked about. So when you see a recommendation change, instead of seeing it as a sign that the whole thing is untrustworthy, try to see it as the system cleaning its own water. It is progress. It is not a conspiracy. Finally, and this might be the most important thing that I'm going to say in this episode, we have to connect our personal health to public health. What we do individually hugely matters. This is why I host this podcast because we have so much power to really move the needle on our own health and how we feel every single day. My goal is to make information and advice from the world's leading doctors and experts widely available to fill some of the the privilege gaps that exist in health care and help with some of the systemic issues.

I would love if we were in a world where we all got an hour with our doctor and that doctor was as trained in nutrition as they were in pharmaceuticals. I would love it. And until that day, I'm going to keep sharing as much of that information with you here as possible so that you can feel confident and informed and supported with the best evidence. And, and you're hearing me say and a lot. this episode. And the public health component matters as much as the personal health component. The real threats to our health are not just in our pantries. They are in the policies that allow

forever chemicals in our water and toxic pesticides in our food and that slash funding for the research that could find a cure for Alzheimer's or endometriosis. True lasting health for us, for our children for future generations comes from clean air, clean water, accessible health care. well-funded science that can constantly improve to be the best that it can be. It comes from recognizing that we need real maternity and paternity leave and funded childcare and true ways of supporting people having families. Advocating for these things by voting, by calling your representatives, by supporting organizations that fight for them is the ultimate action steps for actually making America

truly healthy. I know this is a really heavy episode. And if you're feeling angry, if you're feeling seen, if you're feeling frustrated, if you're feeling validated, if you're feeling a little bit of everything, I get it. Life is really freaking hard and it's even harder when you feel like the systems that are meant to support you are failing. But I want you to know that you are not alone and I see you. And I hope you also feel a little bit more empowered by understanding this swirling soup of

information and also by these action steps that you can take in your life. Just knowing that there are concrete reasons that we've gotten here and real steps that we can take to advocate for ourselves and for change is a really powerful antidote to feelings of helplessness. And I promise you that this podcast, Liz Moody Podcast, will always be there right along with you, giving you the real information that you need, sharing the actual science, and supporting you as much as I possibly can on every step of your journey. If you could do me a quick favor right now, I would so appreciate you sending this episode to just one friend, maybe a friend who's ever felt dismissed by a doctor or somebody who's really burnt out by the pressure to do it all or somebody who's getting

pulled into some of the wellness misinformation that we talked about today. Sending them a link is a way of saying, I see you, your frustration's valid. Let's talk about this stuff. You guys can digest and process it together and it is the best way to support the show. It is so, so appreciated. And the second thing that I would so appreciate, especially because this was such a nuanced and potentially controversial topic and it's probably going to inspire a lot of negative reviews is if you would just take one quick second to write a five-star review of the podcast on Apple or Spotify, people tend to only write reviews when they're really angry, which is not ideal for helping somebody who's trying to decide whether to listen to the podcast or it's not helpful

for the algorithms deciding whether to recommend it. I get so many DMs from all of you guys every single week about how much you love episodes, how much they change your life. And I absolutely love them. So please, please, please do not stop sending them to me. But also, if you could just like copy paste that DM into an Apple review, that's good. Like that's the whole thing. That's all we need.

And it would help so much. And it would be so immensely appreciated. And that's how we get these types of conversations. Again, all these platforms, they're putting the most polarizing views out there. we need nuance and we get nuance out there by spreading conversations like this one. If you want to get evidence-based wellness products for a discount and support the show, you can find codes for all of our current partners, including Incredible Beauty, supplement and workout brands at lizmoody.com slash codes.

I want to be clear, you don't need any of this stuff. This is nice to have stuff. A lot of it is also targeting specific issues. So if you're dealing with specific things like maybe anxiety or you really want to start a home workout routine, these are very helpful tools for that. and that's what I screen my brand partners for and make sure they're really effective. And also true to the Foundations of Health episode that I'm going to share in the show notes, you don't need to buy stuff.

You don't need to buy extra stuff. You need to have all these supplements to be well. These are sprinkles on top of the wellness Sunday. And you can still have a very delicious Sunday without the sprinkles. And I want to be immensely clear on that. I love my brand partners. I love that they let me do this show for you for free two times every single week. and you do not need to buy a bunch of stuff to be well.

Okay, I love you guys. I love that we get to have these complicated and important conversations and digest and process the world together and to make our worlds and the world at large better together. It's the honor and joy of my life. And I will see you on the next episode of the Liz Moody podcast. Oh, just one more thing. It's the legal language. This podcast is presented solely for educational and entertain. purposes. It is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, a psychotherapist,

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