The Lonely Island and Seth Meyers Podcast - The Taccones Live at SXSW

Episode Date: March 18, 2026

On this very special episode of The Lonely Island and Seth Meyers Podcast we’re bringing you a live conversation from SXSW with Jorm, his brother Asa and their father, Tony Taccone! Truth is, we couldn’t get everyone together this week and we’re all very lucky we even have an episode this week. But we’d never leave you hanging Quaids! Enjoy this convo where Jorma and Asa talk about some of their musical collaborations including Natalie’s Rap, Dick in a Box, and Boombox. They also talk about growing up and how they found their way despite their dad’s misgivings. Show Notes Over My Dead Body Trailer Natalie's Rap Dick in a Box Boombox Motherlover Knuckles | “Flames Of Disaster” Behind The Scenes Jorm Dances to Lady Gaga! Stolen Secret SNL Footage! Support our sponsors: VuoriGet 20% off your FIRST purchase and free shipping and free returns at https://vuori.com/ISLAND. Get yourself some of the most comfortable and versatile clothing on the planet!GrowWhatever challenges you’re facing, Grow Therapy is here to help. Grow accepts over 100 insurance plans. Sessions average about $21 with insurance and some pay as little as $0, depending on their plan. Visit https://GrowTherapy.com/ISLAND today to get started. Availability and coverage vary by state and insurance plan.HelixGo to https://helixsleep.com/island for 20% off sitewide. This is a special offer for listeners of The Lonely Island and Seth Meyers PodcastShopifySign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial today at https://SHOPIFY.COM/lonelyislandChimeChime is not just smarter banking, it is the most rewarding way to bank. Join the millions who are already banking fee free today. It just takes a few minutes to sign up. Head to https://Chime.com/ISLAND. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey, everybody, it is Seth, and I'm here to tell you it was one of those weeks where everybody involved with this podcast was very busy, and we did not have time to get together and record. But a very cool thing happened, which is Yorma, was at the premiere of his new movie at South by Southwest, and he did a panel with his brother Aisa and his dad. It was called Yorma and Asa Toconi, a talk about life, sibling rivalry, and the best. The Lonely Island. It was a free, flowing, rollicking conversation, as you can imagine, when three Taconis get together. So that is going to be this week's episode. We really hope you enjoy it, and we look forward to getting back together and doing a regular episode when you next hear from us. Enjoy. Hello, hello. We saw Andy Cohen backstage, and I was like, why did we schedule this the same time as Andy Cohen? I want to be over there.

Don't leave. Okay? Don't leave, guys. First of all, here for over your dead body. If you can go see it tomorrow, please do. I'm so proud of how that movie came out. And being at South by, I'm saying this all up at the top because we might use this for a podcast later

and I'm just trying to hype my own movie, you guys. That's the reason. That's really, yeah. But it was an amazing response that we had last night. I've never had the experience of anything pop off the way that McGurber did when we did a screening here at Southby, I will always have crazy love for this festival because of that. And last night was comparable to that.

It was crazy. So it was really, really fun. Thank you. Thank you. All of this is being recorded, guys. Yes. Thank you. Oh, yes.

I just got to say, Yormous movies are extreme. And I remember at the premiere of McGruber, I had to sit next to my 85-year-old grandmother. and there's literally scenes where people are fucking on a tombstone and like just repeatedly and it was horrifying for sure. Oh, she, our grandmother, was so proud. And the two of us worked on a wonderful short

called Dick in a Box together. For which we both won an Emmy. Thank you very much. I didn't even know that they could put the word dick on an Emmy, but they did. I'm sorry, my children are here. Hi, hi, hi, Zadie. Hi, hi, Wiley.

But she had a picture of us winning the first. the Emmy and she would talk to people and be like, look, they want an Emmy. And then people are like, what for? And she'd be like, I'd be like, I'd say it ever. This does not, obviously, you probably tell it already, this does not have a structure. Me and Aza have been brothers for a very long time. But we sort of want to just talk about our backstory of growing up in the Bay, what influences us?

Because it is very, very much what influences the Lonely Island, musically in particular. and we've worked together on so many different things throughout the years of SNL digital shorts. Asa most recently was working on what was the sushi glory hole stuff that you were doing. No, what were you doing on? I did the Charlie X-DX song. Oh, the Charlie X. Here I go.

Here we go. Yes. Yeah, yeah. So he's still working. Actually, like, we'll get to that. So I'll try to jump the gun here. But growing up in the Bay area, I just wanted to like very quickly sort of go through. Like our influences, and with Annie in Kiev in particular,

we all grew up listening to a lot of hip-hop and dance hall. reggae our years of loving stuff like it was like 88 to like 96 hip hop and so that influenced us greatly in addition to like all the things that the bay brings which is it's political it's pretty left-leaning i would say our parents were like card carrying or my dad can explain this later but like but uh you know communist uh which is super popular in america uh and uh but you know like dance all reggae, hip hop, all of that stuff is ingrained in a lot of the shorts that we have done over the years and as influenced both of us. And I sort of wanted to just talk about like how we got into making music. I obviously sort of fell off on making stuff. But we start at the same time,

just like record digging for samples and whatever, just fucking around in our rooms. Yeah, actually the first thing that I ever made was with our friend Gabe. We have like a classic WhatsApp chain of like 12 guys who are all still friends from high school. that a lot of people have. And first thing I made was a band called the Who Rosmanauts. Who riding was when you're getting dumb. You're just like going for it. And we were Who riding in space.

That's why we were astronauts as well. But we were making beats on like recording instrumentals and then wrapping over the instrumentals like real, like on all the cassette tapes. And so like I think around the same time, I had like Soundedit at 16. I was messing around with Cubase. What were the first programs that you were started?

I was a little later. in you, I had, like, reason and logic, just these early kind of programs messing around, making terrible beats as well. But yeah, growing up in the Bay, there was a lot of reggae stuff, which made it into the kind of trust-afarian, uh, Ross Trent vibes. Actually, that's my favorite, I think that might be my favorite Lonely Island line, which is me toil part-time at Jocolstone Creamery. It is so crazy. We also had somebody recently right into our podcast. We have a podcast, which is called the Seth Myers Lonely Island podcast. We've done over, 100 episodes, if you guys haven't heard it,

it's very hard to get into because there's a lot of deep, deep jokes in it. You're like, so confused if you've just started. You gotta start from episode one. But we had somebody right in recently who, from England, I think it was from England, who said, we toil full time at John Colstone Creamery, and we really appreciate it.

But that's kind of a real thing. Like, from the Bay, there was, like, there was just a lot of white kids that were, like, ultra into dance hall and reggae, but were also, like, kind of wealthy. And, you know, but they were white dreads. Oh, yeah, for sure.

A lot of those things kind of made it made its way to your guys' skits. I mean, but like the early beats that you were making, too, like all the stuff I was making was hip-hop stuff, a lot of loop-bates-based samples. Matt Bennelly Open, who is one half of radio silence. We all live together for an early, lonely island, and I would make beats on this BR8, which is like a digital A-track thing,

and we actually talked about this recently on the podcast, but like we were using all of this early program stuff And a lot of your early stuff was hip-hop based. Yeah, and actually, in the early days, even when you guys got on SNL, we were all still super broke and it didn't sound that good. The early stuff, dick in a box, even that, it doesn't sound very good. Oh, no, that's a full-on, like, reason. Like, I'm using all.

It wasn't mixed or anything. I don't even know why you hired me for a lot of the stuff. I was terrible at music back then. But I think it's why some of it's kind of charming. It was just, like, truly DIY these kids. Well, Lazy Sunday, like that being one of the first things that we made on S&L, what I really liked and didn't even realize was such an advantage that we had was the first year that we got on S&L was the first year that they went full HD quality.

And I remember actually being like annoyed with that. I was like, it doesn't feel as organic and really like, they shouldn't go HD. But because our stuff was shot on these crappier cameras, it actually felt more special. Like when Lazy Sunday hit, which is, rap video by going to see The Chronicles of Narnia. And this was like, it's 2005. Was that the first digital short that you guys did?

No, it was the third. We made two, one had aired and like, but we were just, us, like, messing around, like, outside of Indian Keeps apartment. But, like, Lazy Sunday was, I was also the first time I'd ever heard of YouTube. And so we kind of got intrinsically tied with. But there was something about the graininess and, like,

honestly, the beat being, like, pretty, it's pretty grimy, honestly. And I was actually, like, taking drums and, like, crunching them to like make them even more shitty sounding but like yeah like I weirdly made it feel more special yeah totally totally okay so what was the the very first thing because I will say this before we get into like actually some of the things that we've done on the show together it's a true joy to me that my wife has this with her brother who like it does all the music for her films that's mariel hella right there she's a much more talented filmmaker than me like inarguably more talented

but to be able to share something creatively with somebody that you're related to is like it really has been like one I love you boy, love you boy. Thank you guys. That's what we're going for. You hear that reaction. I do want to say this.

Aza is in a band called Electric Guest and early days of the Lonely Island. I met a guy named Brian and the guy named Ben. Ben Lovett and Brian Burton. Brian turned out to be Danger Mouse. And he made the gray eyes. album, like while we were all living together and making stuff, I met those guys through my friend Anna, who was doing like an interview with them. She was like, you got to meet these guys.

And I met Brian and Ben and they had a house. And we didn't have a house. And we were like, we're going to shoot at your house immediately because we were making all these shorts and everything. And so I became friends with Brian. And then at one point, Aisa was making beats, were you in the bay? I was in college. And I used to call you and play my terrible little music over the phone. And you were just like, oh, let me, I'm going to put my friend on the phone. And you put Brian on the phone. It was kind of before he did the guerrillas and all you two and all that stuff. And he was kind of, I think it was before the gray album. It was right before he did the gray album. But you just put him on the phone and he was like, that's cool. And within five minutes, we immediately got into this kind of

mentor, mentee dynamic. And I ended up moving into the house that he lived in in L.A. when he kind of blew up and left. And there was a studio in the house. And I got to work with all these artists, all these M.F. Doom and all these incredible underground artists that he was working with. that I just kind of inherited from living there. But he became my mentor in music and still is today and produced my first album with me. And he's just always, he's my first phone call in life often for kind of anything.

Before me or? Yeah. It is for me. Yes. Well, I mean, you're welcome. No, kind of. I mean, you put me on majorly, majorly. Well, so I think the very first short that we did together

It was Natalie's rap. Natalie's rap, right? Yeah. So after we made Lazy Sunday, just the backstory of Natalie's rap, was that Nali Portman came to Esnell and loved Lazy Sunday. It was like, we got to make one of those. And we were like, I don't know. And then we were like, it's got to be filthy if you're going to do this.

And then she started spitting like memorized full verses of Lil Kim lyrics that were so foul. And you were like, oh, she's down. She totally gets what this is. But as I remember, our pop is a theater director, and he had done a show on Broadway called Bridge and Tunnel, and she was at the premiere before you guys even got on your first episode of... We knew her. Yeah, before you guys got on SNL. And she was at the after party, and we ended up hanging with her. She was super cool.

And I think that kind of like broke the ice. Andy said, like, by the time that when she actually was a host or, yeah, when she was hosting it months later, you guys kind of had this rapport and it lent itself. She's like, okay, I'll turn up and do this super raunchy out. I mean, talk about it turned up. Okay, do you want to talk about the beat before we play this? Or we don't want to hear it and then we're going to play. My son's here and he hasn't seen a lot of the stuff that we've done. So I apologize in advance.

This is very foul. Wiley. Okay. So Chris, can we play the first? And we'll probably just go through the first chorus, which is a nightmare. We're sitting here today with film star Natalie Portman. Hello. So, Natalie, what's...

today in the life of Natalie Portman Life. Do you really want to know? Please, tell us. censored. So we don't get super deep on, like we've talked about this on the podcast before, but we don't get super deep on like how music is actually made. And there's a reference,

like the format of that song is very much based on an Ice Cube song where he's being interviewed. Oh no, it's EZ. I'm sorry. And it's called No More Questions by EZ. But tell me about that actual beat making process. Yeah, I mean, it was early days of me just messing around on my computer. So again, I was super,

broke. I was part of this thing. I think I was at that time paying for this service called Dynamic Producer, which was like, we'll put you with real rappers in the game. And each month, you can submit a beat. And I had done that beat for like some East Coast rapper, probably some underground dude. And they didn't choose it or whatever. And so I just sent it to you guys like, oh, maybe you'll like this. And of course, then it was like a month later, Natalie Portman was rapping on it. And I ended up actually going to Dynamic Producer had one of these, this kind of like symposium and all the producers came. And everyone was like, bro, I can't believe that beat, like, really went.

So it was just, it was super random. I was just kind of like sending you guys whatever I was doing at that point. And you were taking a chance on me. I mean, the wild thing about SNL was that you'd make these things and then you'd see them. You know, you're watching it air for the first time. And the feeling that you would get as it's going out. And I loved being connected to you in that way. Like, I'm just being like, holy shit.

This is like the thing that is happening on a Thursday. is now airing. And I was in L.A. just like sending you stuff. You're in New York. You guys would stay up all night. Sometimes you'd call me at like, sometimes you guys would call me at two in the morning.

I was like, oh, it's 5 a.m. New York time. And you're, I'm on speakerphone with Justin Timberlake. And it's just like, it's wild. And I was just some kid. But that put me on. It's just like that was the beginnings for me. Support comes from Helix.

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You can be traveling with family or looking to discover authentic and local experiences. It does it all. Speaking of Justin Timberlake, so let's go to the next thing we work, on together. This was the second thing. Hi, Isaiah, this is such a,

that's my daughter, she's five. Okay. Let's play the second one there, Chris. Hey, girl, I got something real important to give you. So just sit down and listen. Girl, you know we've been together such a long, long time.

And now I'm ready. to lay it on the line. Wow, you know, it's Christmas and my heart is open wide. So you know what's real special. So take off the town. Take a look my in a box. It's a lot. Gonna get you a house in your heels.

A girl likes a special girl. It's my. Okay, I think that's good, Chris. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. We won an Emmy for that. Me and this guy. It's printed on the Emmy. But shout out to Catrice Barnes, who is very sadly no longer with us,

but she was an amazing, amazing music supervisor over at SNL. And she made a lot of that beat. She sent me those initial just the chords. Yeah. Oh, yeah. She just sent me this kind of skeletal thing. And I think it was kind of, it was actually, was she the resident composer there at SNL? Yeah.

So the way it would work is that. Esnell if you had any kind of, it was amazing because for people that didn't write lyrics normally to any kind of song or whatever, there's tons of music that's being used for Esnell and original music and things like that. So writers would be able to just write lyrics of what they thought it should be and try to make it rhyme, obviously, and make it feel like a song. But they wouldn't have to figure out how it's going to fit musically or on a melody of the song. And then they would take it to Patrice and like she was there on Tuesday nights when people were writing. And she would literally just bang out. They'd be like, I want this.

know in the tempo of like this or like this style of music and she was so well versed and everything that like you know like we were basically like we want this color me bad you know like like rmb like 90s she she banged out the chords and then obviously i was always promoting you always um you know and and and not just obviously for hip-hop because you were getting more and more proficient with like other types of music you know and you taught yourself piano i mean i you know yeah but you hear that's about the extent of my skills at that point those horn I mean, it's pretty bad. Like, if you actually, you know, perk your ear to it.

This is way more judgmental of this than I'm. Like, I was kind of got a fire. But, yeah, she sent me those kind of rudimentary chords, and then I kind of just built all the drums and all the horns around it and the bridge section and all that. And you guys are just like, man, make it's sexy. You know, we wanted to be real boys to men, Jodacy type, like, white boy sex stuff.

I was like, I got you, you know. I mean, those guys are just so wildly stupid. just even seeing like the dance moves that they had and honestly like like it was so fun to do with justin because like he comes from that like era of loving because we loved all that josey age town there's a lot of like did he write the melodies how did you guys come up with the actual melodies for that I wasn't there for that yeah I mean you're gonna be surprised to hear this but just in timber like is super good at writing music and I've also never met anyone more confident in my life like like like like the minute we were done with it, he was like, that's a hit.

And we're like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, what? That's a hit. And he was like, the whole time was like, oh, yeah, straight to stop. I was like, yeah, it was wild. You know what's crazy about that song is that I never got paid for that? Like, no, I'm not joking. You know what's funny? And we had no idea it was going to blow up that much.

And it was around Christmas time. It was, I didn't even initially get the joke. I was like, okay, yeah, dick in a box, but like three and a half minutes of a whole song. Like, how you got to make a. make this work or whatever. And, of course, then I saw it. They're so visual. A lot of the time they'll tell you an idea of a joke, and you'll be like, all right,

okay. And then you see it visual, and you're like, oh, my God, this works so well. But I remember when it aired, it was like just popped off. And it was really early days of YouTube. And actually, Justin Bieber's song, Baby, was the number one viewed song on YouTube. And this song was, when it went online, it went out for like three days, and it was tied for the number one song on YouTube. And then NBC,

because they're like, wait a second. we need to monetize this. They pulled it for about a year and then it went back on iTunes for like a 99 cent download a year later. But anyways, this man at Christmas time, we were at Mari's house and he like took me into another room and he's like, hey man, I know you didn't get paid for this so check this out. I'm not joking. One $20 bill, $220 bills, $320 bills. My man paid me $60 for that. I was like, I'm going to go buy a nice shirt at the mall. you know but somebody made millions off that shit it wasn't us oh jeff zucker

made money uh yeah no i mean i never got paid for lazy sunday no i don't like i had to join a union because i was like oh wait a minute i think i need to be protected i think at the time i was like pumped on the $60 like yes let's go like i'm gonna hit the mall by the way when you texted that like that was the story i was like i got to go to the bank and give him some more money. I was going to give it to him here. I'm not going to give him any more money.

I'm so sorry. But that leads into the next one, right? It leaves into... Oh, yeah, what are we at? Are we... I think we might be a boom-bug. Just play it. We'll play the next one and we'll see what it is

because I'm not sure what that one. Yeah, what is the next one? Go ahead, Chris. Imagine in your mind a posh country club. The stuffy old money, where the poor get snubbed. The spread is bland, sourcrout and boiled goose. There's no way these people will ever cut loose. But then I'll walk in the room, hold my boom box high,

and what happened next will blow your mind. Everything got out of control. Never dance. Spirits go dead. The cops or the dealers, who's got the juice? The street vendors peddling their boiled goose. So many types of people, they'll never get. along till I bust out my bootbox and play this song. The music was the way of the head was represent.

Okay, that's great, Chris. Thank you. Thank you. I just love it so, it's so specific to have a line like I saw a Spanish guy doing the Bartman. It's like, that's really indicative of our growing up in the bay. Do you tell us about that one? I mean, that was again, like all this stuff. I think the cool thing about a.

especially those early years, it was so small. It was just like, I did that with this kid, my good friend, Drew Campbell, who was just like this drum and bass kid. And he was doing a lot of trance music. And we had this, like, this album, which was like kind of like a mix between big rap beats and trance stuff, that we tried to give it to a million people. We're like, what is this music? And actually, Neil Brennan, I remember from Chappelle Show, when he heard this, he was like,

bro, why did you give them that beat? And I was like, nobody wanted this. But Andy really liked it. And yeah, that was just an early mashup of that. So was a mother lover. It was from that same batch. And shout out to Drew Campbell, because he also did almost, I think, all of the music for Bash Brothers. We've worked with them forever.

He's made throw it on the ground too. Yeah, he's been in the camp for a very long time. Yeah, he's the good. Did you actually go straight into a mother lover or that? Yeah. Oh, these are a bummer for my kids. I genuinely think you should close. ears, honey.

Okay. Oh, my God. By the way, just wait, wait, pause. Thank you. Thank you. Wait, wait. My mother hates this song. Like, absolutely

hates this song, which is like so disappointed. There's been a lot of disappointment in my family, but like, but this is anyway, let's, our mother, our mother, yeah, yeah, that's right. Oh, day. What is a dog? I forgot his mother's day.

Didn't get a gift. for her. Other plans got in the way. She'll be so disappointed. Damn, I forgot it too. This could have been avoided. What the hell are we gonna do? Mama's been so alone ever since my daddy left. No one to hold it tight. Life has put her to the test. I know just what you mean. My mom's been so sad and great. My dad can't satisfy her in the bedroom ever since he passed away. Hold up. You thinking what I'm thinking. I'm thinking I think it too. Slow up. What time is a time?

It's time for us switch your road. We both love our moms, women with grown women needs. I say we break them off, show them how much they really mean. Because I'm a mother loves mothers. Each other. Okay. Great. Great.

Thank you. Thank you. Another hit. You know, to add on to what you were saying, our mother was horrified. And actually, my distinct memory of this was we, like, a mom. month later, we're in a hotel in Miami because you guys were shooting. I'm on a boat. And we received, as I remember, a letter, an actual written letter for our mother. And like my brother was saying, our parents came from this hyper political leftist thing. And it was just this scolding.

And she was just like, you guys, Obama is going to be elected and it's time to step up these, you know, immature jokes, penis. And I was like, I'll just do the music. This man is the one with the whatever. Amazing how many things are... We're five girls just ask what sex means. Oh, great. Great. We'll talk about it later.

Just listen to the podcast. Oh, my God. Okay. This continues after this. Yes. What were we just talking about? Just our mother. Oh, yes.

Yeah. Yeah. No, it's actually really funny because there's been so many things. She's been... Like she wants, she wants the best for us for sure. And when I, like, made a children's book, she was like, that's what you should be doing.

Why do you have to, like, Magrubor, why? Why is that? And, but, you know, to bring it back to this movie that I just made that over your dead body, I have not seen someone laugh at, like, ultraviolence. Like, she loved it. It was shocking. And my mother-in-law as well.

It was horrifying stuff. Yeah, she doesn't hold her tongue for sure. Anyway, fucking hypocrite. Okay, well, so there's been so many other things we've worked on, but I did want to play this before, because I'm paying attention to the clock here. We have a little timer here. But the thing that actually made me want to get back into feature film stuff

because I'd been doing television for a number of years, and I did a spinoff of a Sonic the Hedgehog show called Knuckles, I did a very weird episode of that show, which is eight minutes of it is like a musical. I do want to play a little bit of that because Asa made all the music for that, and it was a really fun thing. And this really prompted me to want to get back into making a feature because it was a bigger episode. I had more money on this episode than I did for the feature that I just did for like an eight-day shoot. And it was just really fun, and we'll play that, and hopefully that's entertaining to you guys.

Let's see. Wait. I'm not in the show, am I? Prepare yourself, Wade, because if you want to learn where Knuckles's true strength lies, you must see this quest through his eyes. You must become him. This is going to be awesome. Wait, I'm Knuckles?

I mean, I'm Knuckles. Hey, Wade, go make this weirder than a new one. It already is. Got it. Good note. On a glorious quest. Hello, Wade. For glory.

What? With his hands of stone and these that never buckled. Come and witness the tale of the warrior knuckles. Uh, what is Jack Sinclair doing here? Clearly, you two have unfinished business. Ah, yeah, no, fair point. Yeah, no, fair point. He does have me locked up in a giant cage right now.

A proceed. And now we begin our quest. When a hero was only a lad, he was trained by the greatest his dad. Had the technique and also the guts. He prepared to kick multiple butts. But the giant towels, they did come. They had one mission to kill everyone.

Knuckles and Dad didn't know what to do Yes, they were due Claude and they kicked They hooted and flew into fits They set fire to the town And burned it to the ground I'm so freaking upset I can't sing about it

Father, you can't leave me I won't son, I never Ugh Let's stop it there, let's up there I would love to play that entire thing because it builds so crazily. It gets so weird. Michael Bolton's in the end of it.

It's like it's so buck wild. And it was so fun to do. And then Asa also sings the voice of this demon later. But I want to be able to get to questions and things like that. So we're not going to do that. But if you want to talk about like, like this also relates to over your dead body,

Pop Star, uh, uh, McGruber. But Aces's other half in Electric Guest is Matthew Cornbread Compton. I don't know. Why is his name Cornbread? I have no idea. idea. He doesn't have an interesting story for it either. He's just like, he's a southern kid.

So like, you know, he like cornbread, I guess. But he composes a lot of stuff. And he's, he's done some. He did, he did Palm Springs as well. He helped on that. But he's worked with us forever. So he composes with you oftentimes. And you guys have done a lot of other like TV stuff. And right? Like, yeah. And I remember when you came to us with this, you're like, oh, we're going to do this like rock opera. And we had actually some years before our pop had, not retired, but he had left his job. And there was this big kind of like farewell party and we did this song like roasting him that was kind of a rock opera it was just all about how he was a tyrant to work under it did that really and that was so special moment for us but uh it was basically the same thing it was like a very similar beat so

that was kind of my like inspiration for that's fine that's fine when we made this we didn't know how this was going to be aired with this roasting of my dad and it was the who's who of san francisco elite like it was like an auction with like really like well to do people and then we were like we made this fucking video uh roast here that i remember actually playing it for andy and i was like i don't feel like it's mean enough and he was like it's pretty mean yeah i was like no we'd destroy it for sure it was really really funny support comes from shopify when we started this podcast it seemed like we had to figure it out on our own scripts setups filming locations logos Schedule, everybody's schedule.

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I do want to get our father up here real quick. We as a special guest, we're going to have Tony to Tony. Come on up. It's a family affair. Daddy. Can we get in my mic? So tell us about how great we are today. I apologize. I do want to ask a specific question, which is, we've talked about this on the pod, and I know you maybe listen occasionally? I don't know. Okay.

The question is, is that when we got SNL, at one point you were like, oh, thank God. And I was like, what? And you were like, oh, I thought this was going nowhere. That's true. That is not true. I never said that. I never said that. Oh, yeah, okay.

What was your opinion? I mean, you know, you have kids and they're, playing with Legos one day and you think what is this kid going to end up doing? And in my case, these were not children who were particularly exceptional. Oh, no.

Right? He bags on us so hard for school. Okay, so I went into Yorma's better in one time. He's like a sophomore in high school and I was like dude, your grades could be so much better. You're smart. You know, you have the capacity to be really an excellent student. And he said, Dad. Have you seen the kids who get straight at Ace? No way. Okay, and that was the end of that.

And then, I mean, with Ace's high school experience, the single biggest memory I have was the police coming to our house and pasting a poster, gluing a poster onto the front door, which said, this house is being surveilled. Like, seriously. And like, that was like, okay, what are they going to be doing for jobs and a profession? But, and of course, looking back on it, I mean, they were raised in an artistic environment. My grandfather was an artist. My dad was an artist. And in our family, we were sort of schooled with the idea that art is the highest aspiration of humankind.

And that was an incredible gift, an incredible long-term gift. And these guys were exposed to that. You never want your kids to grow up to this field. But they kind of ended up having no choice because they were surrounded by it all the time. And they're also both, fortunately, both brilliant guys. So it worked out. There's a drawing that I made in third grade that is Superman flying into a toilet. And it says, I want to become an actor because my dad is a director.

And I'm sure at the time he was like, this is hilarious. My kid's going down the toilet. But like the fact that you framed it. It's in our house right now. Yeah. And this is where we're at. Speak on this kid, too, Dad. Like, like...

Well, I mean, I think, well, just... It's worth sharing one story about sibling rivalry. So, both of these guys were born at home. And there's a picture, actually, of Yorma when Ace is literally coming out of the shoot. And Yorma is there going... McCullochalekin. And so, you know, oh, my God, you have a baby brother.

It's so amazing. beautiful and you know love him more than anybody else in the whole world and then a week later we go to the hospital you get the check up and you know they're having this wonderful bonding experience in our minds and we get to the car and we get home and yuma runs into the house like ahead of us we're like oh he's excited to be home we're carrying asa we come in the house and yorma is pissing in Ace is bassinet. Like pissing in, like, shh.

Like, this is like a rooster gone mad. This, my shit. It was like, okay, so they're maybe not, they got some trouble as the years go on. And that's why he got $60. I remember also when the Lonely Allen was first, these guys were unique because they went to junior height again. And they had this pact that they were going to get together after college and worked together.

They were like, yeah, like that'll ever happen. Who does that? They did. And they came to me and they said, listen, we don't have a computer. Can you front us on this? So I said, well, what's your business plan? And they sat there and they kind of explained me what they're going to do. And I said, okay.

And then I remember us going up to Berkeley Reps, Prop Department and robbing the prop department of stuff for Awesometown, actually. We ended up doing that. Oh, wow. Yeah, we ended up robbing the prop department. You guys were picking out wigs and all that stuff. We got $70,000 to make Awesome Town and it was supposed to be seven minutes long. I think it's like 18 minutes long.

But like that's how we did that. It was all just beg, borrow steel. Right. Perky rope, I guess. Yeah, that's right. Oh, my God. But with this guy, I would say this is going to sound odd. But of all the members in our family who have pursued a creative life,

I think this guy is the only guy who had to be an artist. I think the way his brain is structured. Okay, let that soak in. Because I could have been a lawyer. $60, but I'm in the real. No, no, no, no. Born to do it. No, well, I had no other choice.

No, I just feel that he had a particular, just predisposition for it that felt like it was sort of in it at a pre-conscious age. Bombing out of school, getting you evicted. which I did. He did. That did happen. Lent themselves to the only path I had. Also, the party that you got him evicted for Nate Heller was at my brother-in-law.

So it's all pretty full-circle bear. It sounds a lot more traumatic than it was. Anyway, it was a great party, though. It was a great party. You want to take some questions from your... Oh, yeah, yeah. Let's stay up here, though. Oh, okay.

Oh, they're already up here. Okay, what's your favorite Lonely Island song? Oh, I know what is. as it's I ran so far. And when we talked about, oh, look, it goes off when you answer it. Also, just talking about samples and beating samples that we've talked about this before, but I've sampled Apex Twin for that, and I didn't tell NBC that it was a sample, and then they had to pay $160,000 for that sample.

And then they kept every, every beat that I made after that. They were like, is there a sample? And I was like, Jesus, I learned my lesson, all right? What's the process of working with Andy Samberg look like? kind of moody sometimes but he's worth it he's worth it let's see

I got a question I have a question for you that I actually wanted to know because I don't know who in the audience saw this man's movie last night but I yeah yeah

it was the first time everyone my family seen it like four times and all the edits and I had never seen it and I was genuinely like oh damn I was blown away

and I was wondering was there anything in the early like Lonely Island days that technically that you learn that you know made its way to

yes you know when book came out with like the whole 10,000 hours of like all early Lonely Island stuff that we did at the show like I learned editing from Akiva the computer that my dad helped us purchase I learned final cut three and then it went up to seven before final cut imploded but like I learned editing from Akiva and then we edited every single one of the shorts that we did at SNL often together in different rooms and then we would join file but like we put in thousands of hours and we got our 10,000 hours doing that often at like like five in the morning. Like I say this a lot, but like I had a moment in SNL where I'm editing something at, I don't know if it was a McGurber or whatever it was, but I'm editing at five o'clock in the morning. I literally my body starts shaking because I'm so tired. And I fell on the floor and went to sleep. And I was like, oh, okay. But all of that goes into, like, there's a dedication that I got from those guys. So yes, all those 10,000 hours of like going into, especially like in that

movie, there's so much that goes into like jump scares and horror and like, that is so similar to comedy and how comedy is. Like, you're always trying to stay one step ahead of, I always say with, like, lonely eye and stuff, the dumber, the joke, the faster you tell it, because you just want to be quicker than the audience. Or, like, surprising and fun. So, like, all of that went into the movie, I would say.

Yormonesa, as siblings, what are some ways you irritate each other? And also, what are your ways of getting over a fight? We've had some fights. Yeah, we've had some fights. Remember when we got a fight at that restaurant in front of everybody? that was crazy.

I was there, you left me there to actually negotiate with it. That's right, yeah. That's because we tried living together. That was the problem. Well, I, okay, I have a different perception of this. Get out of town. Yeah.

Yeah. Wait, what was yours? Was this the one though that, because we had one at Smokehouse. Oh, yeah, that was pretty, yeah, that was pretty dropped in. I don't think we are over it is the short answer. Yeah, exactly.

Next question. Okay. Audience have listened to and loved your work with the legendary Michael Bolton in past songs and creation. Who is another musician that you would love to work with? Who would you love to work with? Oh my God, there's too many. Bebes?

Beaver. I mean, shit. It's so crazy to even say that because I'm like, oh shit, we worked with him. Yeah, you guys have worked with it. Everybody. I was going to say Kendrick, but you guys worked with Kendrick.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. A song called YOLO. Which was, by the way, before we showed all of those videos, that was the one song. I could play for my child because it doesn't have cursing in it. It's Kendrick Lamar.

Do you have anybody else that you would actually like to worry? I mean, you know, we occupy kind of different lanes. I think because of my association with you guys and that I was lucky enough to do all that early stuff, people still hit me up for comedy stuff. Like, yo, do you want to make my comedy album? And I'm like, I am not. That was just a random slew of years where I was involved in that.

He says that, but he's a very, very funny person. Oh, well, thank you. Here, do your impression of Michael Jackson for a second. Oh, my God. Just do it real thing. I couldn't. Okay, well.

No, but people still, like, I mean, I think I got, I was lucky enough to, I got a lot of, like, for American Dad. I do all their kind of, like, musical stuff, and there's been a bunch of shows. I did, like, you know, Portlandia. We did The Simpsons. The Simpsons hit me up to make a beat.

I was like, like, like, Lady Gaga, was going to do it. Yeah, and I got to do those songs. I had just performed naked in front of Lady Gaga, too, uh, at the show. You can look up your own dances. I, I, I, I, so then, uh, I was like, oh, no, you should work with my brother.

And then I remember going in and singing, like, it was Matt Graning and you and Gaga. And I was like, hi! Nice to see you again. Um, anyway, that's too complicated to explain. Uh, but it gets crazy. Like, you've worked with Gaga. You've worked with, I like, he's worked with, uh, the weekend.

Like, you, yeah, I did, yeah, I did like the music for his, his HBO show, The Idol, and I've gotten a lot of things kind of through you guys, but quote unquote, serious music or non-joky stuff occupies like a different lane. And I produced a lot of bands and different acts in that stuff to Portugal A Man. Yeah, he's a song called Feel It Still, which was quite popular. But no, I've been lucky, but I don't have like, I feel like you guys, especially because of the S&L years, you guys just, so many people came through that building that it was just like the who's who of anybody for kind of the

like we didn't even talk about julian casablanca's like we were we were so into the strokes and like to have that dude come in and like be deferential was like so weird oh yeah I remember when you guys when did boombox like you guys rented this house in Encino and I just showed up there one day and he was like playing tennis with Danger Mouse and when he got off the court

all sweaty he was like oh you did boombox like what's up and I was like oh my god you're in the strokes this is crazy Yorma, you've said that Akiva taught you how to edit. What's the biggest editing lesson you've learned from him? Let me just say one thing about Akiva. I've said this on the podcast before, but there was a moment where he was so up in arms

about a lip flap being off on a music video thing. He was so mad about it. He was like, it's way off. It's way off. Dude, I made me go back and forth and forth. It's like a five minute back and forth, back and forth. And he's like, now it's good. And I was like, that's one frame. It's one frame out of like 20.

in a second. But I will say that's what I learned from him. Is like a level of dedication and never ever letting it out of your sight of like trying to make it better, trying to make it better, trying to make it better. But having said that,

psycho. Let's see. Yormant to this day, what's your favorite line that you wrote? God, favorite line? Oh, I do like in throat on the ground. My dad's not a phone. Duh.

Yeah, I like that. Okay. What's the funniest short scene? or moment you produced or written. I think I'm always in the camp of like the latest thing is the thing I'm the most into. This is 80. Wiley, do you want to come up to?

It's a family affair. This is Zadie. She's in her own short. I've been talking about those on the podcast, but she and Wiley are in a home movie that we've been doing. It's an epic adventure, Joseph Campbell tale, called The Sparkly Crown. Zadie named it as well.

And these guys come up with great ideas for it. Will Joe Montana ever come back? hands down the best part of Bash Brothers. Thank you. Yes? Yeah, sure. Let's have him have his own spin-off. Oh, we have 56 seconds.

I think we'll probably just have to wrap it up, you guys. This is my whole family. My wife is over there. Thank you guys so much for coming. Over your dead body. April 24th, I keep saying it. Thank you guys. Really give it up because it'll make it sound better.

Yeah, thank you. Thank you. All right. Love you guys. Thank you.