The Long Game: Civilization & Work - The Performance of Productivity and the Bullshit Jobs Epidemic

Episode Date: June 11, 2026

Gregory Sparzo’s text explores the modern phenomenon of "bullshit jobs, roles that lack meaningful purpose and exist primarily to serve internal bureaucratic needs or create the appearance of s...trategic value. Through the example of a corporate manager, the author illustrates how financialized capitalism prioritizes "productivity theater" over the creation of genuine value. These positions are categorized into types like flunkies, goons, and box-tickers, each functioning as a cog in a system that values perception and self-perpetuation. Professionals in these roles often face a painful dilemma, trading their intellectual integrity and skill development for high salaries and social status. Ultimately, the source argues that this misallocation of talent stems from a systemic shift where management for its own sake replaces actual production. This disconnection from purpose results in a hollowed-out economy that rewards performative labor while eroding the individual's sense of professional worth.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome back to The Long Game. I'm Gregory Sparzo. Today we're going to talk about something that a lot of people know is true, but almost nobody in polite company will say out loud. A significant portion of the white-collar workforce is paid very well to do work that doesn't really need to be done. Not inefficient work, not frustrating work. Work that exists primarily to look like work. Work whose main product is the appearance of productivity.
Starting point is 00:00:53 Work that, if it stopped tomorrow, would not be missed by a single customer, a single client, or a single person outside the building. David Graeber, the late anthropologist and author, called these bullshit jobs. And before you dismiss the term as merely provocative, understand that Graeber meant it with clinical precision. He wasn't venting. He was diagnosing. And what he diagnosed was a systemic feature of modern organizations, not an exception to them. In Chapter 7 of my book, Tragedy and Work, I follow a character I call Jennifer Chen, Senior Manager of Strategic Initiatives at a Fortune 500 consulting firm. Impressive title, excellent compensation.
Starting point is 00:01:40 Days filled with stakeholder alignment sessions, competitive landscape analyses, and PowerPoint decks that are thoroughly researched, beautifully formatted, and largely ignored. Jennifer knows. That's the part that doesn't get discussed enough. She has known for years. The work is theater. The reports are props. The meetings are performances staged for an organizational audience that is itself performing for a financial audience that is itself managing perceptions for wall street it's theater all the way down now here's where this gets urgent here's why this particular conversation can't wait for the next quarterly review or the next business cycle or the next round of strategic planning that nobody will implement artificial intelligence is
Starting point is 00:02:29 coming for jennifer's job and i want to be precise about what that means because the standard narrative gets it wrong, pretty completely wrong. The standard narrative says AI is coming for the repetitive, low-skill work, that knowledge workers are safe, that creativity and judgment and strategic thinking are the durable human advantages. That narrative is correct as far as it goes. The problem is that Jennifer isn't doing strategic thinking. She's performing it. and AI can perform it considerably cheaper, considerably faster, and with far more of a convincing straight face. The decks Jennifer builds, AI builds them in minutes. The competitive landscape analyses, automated. The stakeholder alignment documentation, the process optimization
Starting point is 00:03:20 workshops, the cross-functional synergy reports, all of it, gone. Not because AI is smarter than Jennifer, but because the work was never really about intelligence in the first place. It was about the appearance of intelligence, and that turns out to be a highly automatable product. So here's the question I want to sit with today. What if the white-collar recession we're watching unfold right now, the layoffs in consulting, in middle management, in corporate strategy functions across every industry, what if this isn't just a cyclical correction? What if the market is finally doing what we always want markets to do? What if it's eliminating the inefficiency? Not by eliminating the theater. The theater, of course, is going to stay. The quarterly
Starting point is 00:04:08 presentations will still get built. The investor decks will still get polished. The strategic narratives will get constructed. But now a fraction of the headcount does it, with AI tools doing the production work, and a handful of senior people managing the output. Jennifer's entire layer, the high-paid middle of the organizational pyramid that existed to generate and manage the performance of strategic activity, that layer is being automated out of existence. Not because the work is valuable and the machines can do it now, but because the work was never valuable in the way everyone pretended, and now the pretense has a cheaper delivery mechanism. This is the collision I want to explore today. Graeber's diagnosis of the bullshit jobs
Starting point is 00:04:53 epidemic meets the AI disruption that is exposing exactly how much of our so-called knowledge economy is built on hollow ground. And the harder question underneath that one, what happens to the people who built their identities, their mortgage, their professional self-worth on work that the system is now revealing to have been theater all along. Because Jennifer's real. Not this specific Jennifer, but the category is enormous. Hundreds of thousands of highly educated, generally capable people who were selected by a system that rewarded performance over production, who got very good at a specific kind of work, and who are now discovering that the market has found a way to get that performance without the performers. That's not a technology story. That's a civilization story.
Starting point is 00:05:43 And that's what the long game is here to talk about. Let's jump in. So picture this. It is exactly 9.47 a.m. on a Tuesday. Okay, very specific. Right. And I want you, the listener, to imagine a woman named Jennifer Chen. She is a highly paid senior manager of strategic initiatives at this massive Fortune 500 consulting firm. Sounds like a pretty intense job. You would think so, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:12 But she's just sitting there staring blankly at a PowerPoint presentation on her monitor. Ah, the classic corporate PowerPoint. Exactly. And the title slide reads, and get ready for this, strategic optimization of cross-functional synergies. Oh, wow. That is a lot of buzzwords. That means absolutely nothing, doesn't it? It means totally nothing.
Starting point is 00:06:31 And if she clicks to the next slide for like the third time this week, she is painfully aware of this dark, unspoken secret. Which is what? That this presentation, and honestly, arguably her entire six-year career at this massive company, is completely pointless. Like entirely hollow. Yeah, that is a heavy realization for a Tuesday morning. Totally. I mean, she knows she's going to deliver this deck to a committee of senior executives. And they'll, you know, nod thoughtfully and stroke their chins.
Starting point is 00:06:56 Ask a few very serious, strategic-sounding questions. Right. And then they'll just schedule another meeting to discuss implementation strategies that will literally never see the light of day. It's just a loop, a massive, expensive loop. So today our mission is to really get into this. Yeah. We are diving into a highly uncomfortable but deeply fascinating reality of modern professional life. Yeah. What happens when work stops being about producing anything real and just becomes a literal performance? Exactly. And our guiding source for this deep dive is an excerpt from Chapter 7 of Gregory Sparso's book, Tragedy and Work.
Starting point is 00:07:34 A rugged alternative to despair. Great book. It really is. And he pulls heavily from the late anthropologist David Draper's concept of the bullshit jobs epidemic. Which is just such a perfect, blunt way to describe it. It really is. OK, let's unpack this. How do we end up in a world where our brightest, most educated people are paid massive salaries to essentially do nothing of substance? Well, to really get to the root of that, we first have to define what Sparso actually means by meaninglessness in this specific economic context. Right, because we're not just talking about having a bad day at the office, right? Exactly. We aren't talking about the standard, you know, bureaucratic annoyances that come with literally any job. It's not about the frustration of filling out a tedious expense report.
Starting point is 00:08:16 Or sitting through one of those mandatory HR trainings on a Friday afternoon. Right. Sparso is pointing to a much deeper, really structural kind of meaninglessness. He defines it as work that serves absolutely no discernible purpose beyond its own perpetuation. So it's just surviving to survive. Yeah. It creates zero value for customers. It develops no actual transferable skills for the person doing it. Wow. So what's the ultimate test for this? The litmus test is basically this. If Jennifer's job simply vanished into thin air overnight, the organization, the economy, the whole world wouldn't miss it for a single second. Oh, that is rough. So her role basically exists primarily just to justify her own salary and pad the budget of whatever department she's in.
Starting point is 00:09:02 That's the painful reality of it. Yeah. You know, it sounds like being cast in a highly funded theatrical play. But the twist is that the audience is literally just the other actors on the stage. Oh, I love that analogy. That's exactly it. Like there is no actual public out there buying tickets to see the show. Everyone is just vigorously performing for each other. Just hitting their marks and saying their lines. Right. But I'm trying to figure out, is this a distinctly modern disease? Or have we like always had these massive corporate pantomimes?
Starting point is 00:09:36 Well, the scale we're seeing today is definitely uniquely modern. But the historical architecture for it was actually laid down way back during the Industrial Revolution. Oh, really? How far back are we talking? Specifically to a man named Frederick Winslow Taylor. You might have heard of his management theory, Taylorism. Oh, yeah. The efficiency guy. Exactly. He was an early 20th century mechanical engineer who essentially became the original workflow efficiency guru. Right. The guy with the stopwatch.
Starting point is 00:10:02 Yes. His entire philosophy was built on this idea that you could scientifically analyze a manufacturing process. and break the work down into its smallest, most repetitive parts. And didn't he basically want to separate the brain from the body, essentially? That's nicely. He wanted to severely separate the thinking from the doing. So, okay, I mean, on a factory floor making Model T Fords, that logic makes a brutal kind of sense. Right. For physical manufacturing, it works. Yeah, like you want the manager in the glass office doing all the thinking and the planning, And you want the guy on the assembly line to just, you know, tighten bolt number four as fast as humanly possible.
Starting point is 00:10:40 Without stopping to ponder the philosophical implications of the bolt. Yeah. Exactly. But how does that connect to Jennifer and her PowerPoints? Well, for physical, repetitive manufacturing, Taylorism was actually highly effective at driving up production volume. The disaster happened when that exact same mechanical framework was copy pasted into modern knowledge work. Oh, I see. You can't just treat an office like an assembly line.
Starting point is 00:11:04 Exactly. When you try to separate the thinking from the doing in an office environment, you actively destroy value. You end up fragmenting the holistic role of a professional. So you don't just have an employee solving a problem from start to finish anymore. Right. Instead, you have these massive labyrinthine organizational charts with elaborate hierarchies and highly specialized, completely disconnected functions. Like you create a VP of aviation who literally never executes anything. Yes. And a junior creative who isn't even allowed to have ideas. That is so true. And it is within these massive gaping voids between those disconnected bureaucratic silos that these meaningless jobs just begin to organically multiply. Wow. And Graeber actually studied the taxonomy of these roles, right?
Starting point is 00:11:52 He did. He categorized them into five distinct varieties of pointless work. OK, so if Jennifer and her endless slide decks are just one manifestation of this, what are the other flavors? Because I imagine the presentation builder is just the tip of the iceberg. Oh, it really is. So the first category Graeber identifies are the flunkies. The flunkies. That sounds very medieval. It kind of is. These roles exist for one primary reason, to make someone else look and feel important. They are the modern corporate equivalent of a feudal lord's retinue. OK, so how does that look for someone like Jennifer?
Starting point is 00:12:24 Well, for Jennifer, she acts as a flunky when her boss hands her a conclusion he has already decided on and tasks her with spending two weeks doing, quote-unquote, independent research. Oh, just to generate a massive 50-page report validating his pre-existing assumption. Exactly. It's totally performative. Okay, what's next? The second category Graeber's points out are the goons, I think. Yeah, the goons. These are roles with a fundamentally aggressive or defensive element,
Starting point is 00:12:50 And they only exist because rival organizations employ them. Oh, it's an arms race, like massive armies of corporate litigators or certain types of PR specialists or lobbyists. Exactly. If your competitor hires 100 corporate lawyers to find loopholes, well, you have to hire 120 corporate lawyers. It is quite literally a zero-sum game of mutually assured destruction. They consume massive amounts of human capital but produce virtually zero net social value. Spot on. Then you have the duct tapers, which honestly might be the most frustrating category to be in. Duct tapers. Like human tape. Yeah, they are human patches for poorly designed, failing systems.
Starting point is 00:13:31 They spend their entire careers fixing problems that fundamentally shouldn't exist in the first place. Oh man, give me an example of that. Okay, let's say a company has two legacy software systems that literally cannot talk to each other. Which happens all the time. All the time. Instead of spending, say, $500,000 in a one-time capital expenditure to actually rebuild the infrastructure. Let me guess. They just hire a human duct taper for $80,000 a year. Yep. Someone whose entire existence is to manually copy-paste data from screen A to screen B all day long. That is so grim. Why do companies do that?
Starting point is 00:14:06 Because a smaller operational expense looks way better on a quarterly earnings report than a massive capital investment. Wow. OK, that brings us to the box tickers. Ah, yes. The box tickers. These are the roles engineered purely so an organization can claim it's doing something it actually has zero intention of doing. Right. Exactly. You see this constantly with internal compliance initiatives or like strategic culture committees. Right. Their job is just to generate the documentation, the colorful brochures, the quarterly newsletters. Just to satisfy a bureaucratic requirement. Yeah. Yeah. It allows the executive team to say they addressed an issue without ever touching the underlying reality.
Starting point is 00:14:43 Unbelievable. And what's the final one? Finally, we have the taskmasters. These are the middle managers whose primary function is to supervise people who honestly do not require supervision. Oh, the worst kind of manager. Right. Or worse, their mandate is to actively invent additional pointless tasks for other people to do. Right. Because a taskmaster needs to justify their own budget and headcount. Exactly. So they create a new mandatory weekly reporting system, which basically forces the actual productive workers to stop working and spend their Friday afternoons filling out meaningless forms. Just generating friction for the sake of friction.
Starting point is 00:15:20 Yeah. What's fascinating here is that all five of these categories share a singular underlying DNA. Which is what? They represent work that serves the internal political and symbolic needs of the corporate organism rather than any actual stated productive mission. Wait, OK. If these jobs are entirely geared toward internal corporate politics and the professionals in them know the work is hollow, why don't they just leave? It's a great question. I mean, I have to push back a little here on the author's premise. I imagine you listening to this right now might be thinking getting paid a massive Fortune 500 salary to just sit in an air conditioned office and make pretty PowerPoint sounds like an absolute dream scenario. Right, without any life or death consequences. It sounds great on paper.
Starting point is 00:16:07 Exactly. So why is Sparso arguing that this is actually destroying Jennifer? Well, it's the central paradox of this entire phenomenon, what Sparso calls the professional's dilemma. You really have to separate this from the concept of physical exploitation. Right, because she's not a 19th century coal miner. Exactly. She isn't having the physical surplus of her labor extracted in a dangerous environment. The damage here is entirely psychological. Like an insult to her intelligence. Yes, that's exactly it. She is experiencing profound daily cognitive dissonance. She is highly educated, incredibly capable, and she is being paid a premium to participate in a sophisticated fraud.
Starting point is 00:16:48 She knows she's using her considerable talents to build sandcastles, and she knows the tide is just going to wash them away the moment the meeting ends. That's a beautiful way to put it. And to secure her annual bonus to get that next promotion, she can't just quietly do the meaningless work. She has to pretend it matters. She has to actively engage in what Sparzo calls the performance of productivity. She has to sit in those stakeholder alignment sessions and speak the dead language of synergy and optimization with total unblinking sincerity. Oh, she has to act as if her reports are genuinely altering the trajectory of the firm. She has to become fully complicit in the lie. Exactly. And the mechanism holding her in that chair isn't just the financial compensation. It is what Sparzo refers to as the anxious self.
Starting point is 00:17:31 The anxious self. OK, so her actual identity has become entirely enmeshed in the performance itself. Exactly that. The cultural shorthand we usually use is golden handcuffs. But that implies the only thing keeping her there is the money. Which isn't the whole story. No, the trap is much more insidious. It is a highly engineered web of status, identity and intense peer validation. Right, because professional standing has become, like, the modern era's primary anchor for human self-worth. Yes. Jennifer is the manager of the year. She has a beautifully curated LinkedIn profile that commands respect at dinner parties. So walking away from that glass-walled office doesn't just mean giving up a paycheck.
Starting point is 00:18:10 No, it requires the terrifying courage to abandon her professional identity entirely. It means admitting to herself that the very impressive, very shiny ladder she has spent the last 10 years climbing was leaning against the wrong wall the entire time. Wow. You know, it reminds me of the reference Sparzo makes to Tolstoy's character Ivan Ilyich. Oh, absolutely. A perfect comparison. For those who aren't familiar, Ivan Ilyich is a man who did everything, quote unquote, right according to the high society of his day. He played the game perfectly. Exactly. He got the right job, married the right woman, bought the right house. And only on his deathbed does he realize that his entire existence was completely superficial and empty of any genuine meaning.
Starting point is 00:18:53 Which is terrifying. And Jennifer is experiencing that creeping existential realization at 9.47 a.m. on a Tuesday. day. She is basically making a high stakes trade. She's bartering her professional integrity and the opportunity to build genuine skills in exchange for security. Right. The mortgage gets paid. The kids go to private school. The social identity is secure. But the cost is this slow, invisible atrophy of her real capabilities. Like she spends years perfecting the art of looking strategic while her actual strategic muscles just wither away from disuse. That is the real tragedy of it. From a purely rational, short-term economic perspective, staying in that job makes perfect sense for her every single morning. But the cumulative long-term cost to her human potential is devastating.
Starting point is 00:19:39 Completely devastating. Okay, so the individual psychology makes a tragic kind of sense. We see why Jennifer stays. But let's zoom out from the individual and look at the system itself. The macro view. Let's do it. Why does the company keep paying her? I mean, doesn't basic econ 101 free market theory dictate that capitalism ruthlessly hunts down and eliminates inefficiency? You would certainly think so.
Starting point is 00:20:02 Right. If her department is fundamentally pointless, why hasn't a leaner, meaner competitor optimized her out of existence? Because the old textbook rules of economics simply no longer apply to this tier of the corporate system. They just don't apply at all. Not anymore. The very persistence of these jobs completely shatters that simplistic, ruthless market theory. And the reason it shatters is because we have undergone a massive macroeconomic shift. OK, what kind of shift? We have transitioned from an era of productive capitalism to an era of financialized capitalism. OK, let me make sure I understand the mechanics of this correctly.
Starting point is 00:20:38 Under the old model productive capitalism, a company like Ford made money by literally building a better car than General Motors. Exactly. They made a better tangible thing. Right. Profit was simply the difference between the cost of raw materials and labor and what a consumer would happily pay for a durable, reliable product. Yes. But that's not the main game anymore. Right. Because financialized capitalism means a company isn't fundamentally trying to make a better widget. They're just trying to make their stock look attractive to a hedge fund. Bingo. So how does that macro shift trickle down to dictate Jennifer's daily reality?
Starting point is 00:21:16 Well, under financialized capitalism, the primary engine of wealth isn't production. It is the manipulation, extraction, and exchange of financial instruments. We're talking about stock buybacks, complex securities, mergers and acquisitions. Exactly. The intermediaries like the private equity firms, the investment banks, the massive management consultancies, they have become infinitely more powerful than the entities actually producing goods and services. So the people moving the money are more important than the people making the stuff. Yes. And when an organization becomes thoroughly financialized, its internal nervous system basically gets rewired. Long-term operational excellence takes a backseat to short-term financial engineering.
Starting point is 00:21:58 Oh, I see. And crucially, the aesthetic of a functioning, innovative company becomes more important than actually innovating. You hit the nail on the head. So we've essentially turned salaries into a PR budget. Like, Jennifer's compensation isn't actually an operational expense aimed at creating a product. No, no, no. It's effectively a marketing expense aimed at making the executive board look visionary on their quarterly investor calls. That is the exact mechanism at play. For a massive publicly traded entity, projecting an aura of managerial sophistication is often way more valuable to the stock price than undertaking the messy, high-risk work of actual innovation. Wow. So Jennifer's elaborate PowerPoint decks on cross-functional synergy might not improve a single operational reality on the ground. But they provide the essential symbolic content the CEO requires.
Starting point is 00:22:49 That is wild. When analysts and major shareholders look at the company, they see this sprawling department of highly credentialed people doing complex sounding things, and it just reassures them. So from the board's perspective, it is infinitely cheaper and far less risky to fund a department to perform the theater of strategy than it is to actually invent a new product line. Exactly. And this ties perfectly into what Sparzo mentions regarding the managerial revolution, pulling from theorists like James Burnham and Peter Drucker. Right. Burnham was pointing out decades ago that as organizations morph into these vast bureaucracies run by a specialized administrative class, their ultimate goal inevitably shifts. It shifts from producing things to simply perpetuating their own existence. And Drucker called it management for management's sake. Yes. I mean, think about it. A vice president doesn't get a larger bonus by making their department smaller and more efficient.
Starting point is 00:23:43 No, they gain power by expanding their fiefdom. Exactly. They invent a new strategic initiative, which requires hiring a director who then requires a senior manager like Jennifer. So Jennifer's entire output is just the raw material needed to justify the existence of the management structure above her. Precisely. And when the internal bureaucracy isn't enough to justify a predetermined executive move, they simply outsource the theater. Oh, this is where Sparso dissects the consultant industrial complex, right? Yes. Executives will hire external consulting firms not because they actually need a problem solved, but for a process known as decision laundering. Decision laundering. I love that term. It's like a corporate money laundering scheme, but for accountability. That is exactly what it is.
Starting point is 00:24:29 An executive puts a highly controversial or risky decision into the consultant machine, say firing 10 percent of the workforce, and it comes out the other side washed completely clean of any personal blame. Right. They pay McKinsey or Deloitte $2 million to produce a binder full of analytics that simply tells them to do what they already wanted to do. So they can stand up at the all-hands meeting and say, you know, the independent data dictates this path. My hands are tied. Exactly. It is a multi-billion dollar global ecosystem dedicated entirely to providing political cover and productivity theater. Which brings us to, honestly, the most frightening consequence of this entire economic reality. Oh, it gets worse. If the entire system, from the boardroom down to the middle manager, heavily rewards the appearance of work over the reality of it, what happens to the people who actually want to get things done? Right. The engineers, the builders, the creatives.
Starting point is 00:25:25 Yeah. The people who draw their actual satisfaction from tangible results. What happens to them? Well, the system actively purges them. Sparso introduces this dynamic as the craftsman's exit. The craftsman's exit, meaning they just leave. Basically, yeah. What you are witnessing is a profound case of adverse selection. A results-oriented craftsman, someone driven by a deep, intrinsic need to create real value, looks at this environment of endless alignment meetings and productivity theater.
Starting point is 00:25:53 And they just slowly go mad. They really do. They attempt to fix the actual problems. They run headfirst into the bureaucratic walls protecting the status quo. They burn out and eventually they exit the system entirely. Leaving behind a highly distilled workforce of people who are perfectly comfortable with the charade. Yes. The system inherently selects for individuals with a massive tolerance for ambiguity. People with a natural talent for corporate political navigation.
Starting point is 00:26:20 And most importantly, people with the ability to completely disconnect their daily tasks from any concrete sense of purpose. Exactly. We are building an economy that ruthlessly filters out the producers and lavishly rewards the performers. And the pipeline feeding this system is equally compromised, right? The text highlights an incredibly startling detail about the role of modern education in this cycle. Oh, the business schools. Yes. Elite business schools are not fighting this trend toward meaningless work. They are the primary training grounds for it. They really are. They are no longer heavily focused on teaching students the messy logistical realities of creating a supply chain or building a durable product. No, they are training students in the exact language of synergy, the esoteric tools of financial manipulation, and the fine art of presenting the idea of a solution to a board of directors.
Starting point is 00:27:10 They are preparing the next generation almost exclusively for the clean, highly compensated performance of value. If we connect this to the bigger picture, the absolute most troubling aspect of this entire epidemic isn't just the wasted money or the wasted time. No, it's the cultural impact. Right. It is the learned cynicism that it injects into the culture. It normalizes the total separation of human effort from actual purpose. It teaches an entire generation of bright, capable professionals that it is perfectly normal, even desirable, for a career to be a sophisticated, lucrative game completely disconnected from reality. And once that level of deep cynicism sets in, it becomes incredibly difficult for society to even imagine alternative ways of organizing human effort. The choice facing organizations today is stark.
Starting point is 00:27:58 They have to decide if they're willing to strip away the bureaucracy and invest in the genuinely difficult, high-risk work of real value creation. Or if they will just keep taking the smooth, easy path of funding the performance of value. Exactly. But for the individual, for someone like Jennifer staring at her monitor, it's a deeply personal calculation. It's a fundamental choice about what constitutes a life well lived. And as Sparzo points out in the text, regaining your professional soul has to start with the terrifying courage to look at your beautifully formatted, highly praised slide deck and admit to yourself that it is a complete charade. Wow. Yeah, that takes a lot of guts. This raises an important question, though, about the ultimate endpoint of a system built this way. Right. And as we wrap up this deep dive, I want to leave you, the listener, with a final thought to mull over.
Starting point is 00:28:49 Something to think about. Sparza warns that a financialized economy built entirely on performance might look highly profitable on paper, but it is fundamentally hollowed out. It loses its capacity for genuine resilience. Exactly. Think about everything we've unpacked today regarding adverse selection. If our entire educational and corporate ecosystem is perfectly designed to systematically filter out the producers, the builders, and the fixers.
Starting point is 00:29:15 While simultaneously promoting the performers to the absolute highest ranks of leadership. Right. What exactly happens to a society when a genuine real-world crisis hits? What happens when an infrastructure grid collapses or a global pandemic strikes? And we suddenly discover that the people in charge only know how to build a really, really great slide deck about the problem. Yeah, that is a terrifying thought. Something to think about the next time you find yourself sitting in a stakeholder alignment session. Thank you for joining us on this deep dive into the architecture of modern work.
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