The Luke and Pete Show - AKA the Bronx

Episode Date: April 2, 2026

On today’s show, Luke laments the inherent meekness of the British and their aversion to revolution. Thank God for a new set of golf clubs to lift his spirits a bit. Pete, meanwhile, is getting stuck in the long grass of naming conventions and the business of double-barrelling.We’ve also got a bizarrely-decorated hard hat to investigate and the origin of a nickname to explain.Send us your latest stories, questions and comments here: [e-mail]. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Sharpeed Dawson with you and I'm joined by Mr. Lucie Moore. £123 for Charles England kit, Lukie Moe. Would you spend that amount of money? I wouldn't. No. I find it. Yeah, I don't really use that. I would happily use it.

I'm not against it in principle but I do think that is the 123 quid. Is that for the athletic kit or the stadium kit? They're different, aren't they? Oh, right. Okay. Stadium kits for like fatty bum booms, let me. And then the athletic kit is for the actual football. You're saying this is for a child's kit.

It's for a child's kit. 123. 1, 2, 3 is the thing that they write on Facebook marketplace when they want you to make an offer. Fuck off. Just write what you'd accept an old bloody pit. So, crying out loud.

So apparently, the infant kit is 65 quid. Right. I mean, it's a piss take. Honestly, I know this is proper like that broke off the one show chat,

Martin Lewis chat. But, I mean, you do get. fucking ripped off in the UK. Honestly, you know part of the reason for it? Part of the reason for it is because the economy's shit for those different reasons, obviously, which is

boring to talk about. But the other part of it is, you know why? Because British people are meek. They are meek. Meek. They are. Right. They won't complain about anything. British people do not do things like I mean, I can think of one riot in the last what, however many years.

There was the poll tax riots in the 80s. And that was just because somebody left some scaffolding poles around. And there was one in like 2012. We get mugged off every single fucking day in England. Yeah. And no one says anything. Yeah, but it's all small. Yeah, but our default setting is being comodgingly.

Do you know what I mean? Our default setting is being is being born to be ruled over, I think. I don't think it's commudgeoning now. I think it's like we're just meek. Yeah, but I think people are like that, though, isn't I? French aren't like that? Well, they certainly have riots, but I mean, they have to accept a hell of a lot, don't they?

I mean, you look at, um, how the Americans are, you know, then Nor King's thing that will take place, will have taken place by the time we do this. They've done quite a few of them already. They're done quite a few of them. And it's kind of like, like a lot of like those libertarians

sort of slipped very easily into, well, if you're going to fuck around and find out with a member of the police force and stuff like that, they all love it. We all love it. Respectfully, I think that's a different point. I agree with the point. But I think that, you know, the fact of those libertarian types

who spent their whole fucking lives talking about, don't tread on me, get out of my business and state... We shouldn't have driving licenses. Yeah. They're like proper debates about that. State sponsored government fucking overreach

where they're actually killing citizens with no due process and they don't care. It's because they're just so stupid and so misguided and their positions are so theoretical that they don't have... If it's tested by the smallest amount... But I think in the UK, the English particularly...

This is about pre-manger again? No. I'll go pretern a minute actually. Get a nice chicken. and lax a suit. But the... No, I think it's a hangover from the class system.

Yeah. I think it's because we're used to being ruled. And I just don't think... And also, we don't want to make a fuss. The way that we sort of gravitate to Toffs in... Even like in quite...

Defer to them. Because their accents is done. But like, there's some assumption that, you know, the aristocracy should rule over us and should be in a position... Yeah. It's a natural order of things. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think also, you know... When you see... some of reform you do go there's something to that all that's been like that's quite confusing now isn't it because I don't yeah reform's been kind of subjugated by

the other one Restore even more right one or something Oh it's Restore the one Where it's got a lot of like right wing It's Rupert low Oh yeah Rupert Lowe

Yeah but then there's another Isn't there another one There's just it It's really dilated old Farrage Maybe it's of the Trump relationship that he's got That it's kind of I think

Do you know what I think? Do I honestly think I think that reform have now become mainstream. And they've already started to have to make some concessions. I see. And the mad bastards on the right don't like it. Like this is not fucking what I wanted.

Well, hang in a minute, you're saying that you don't want to send all foreigners home. Well, fuck you then. It's really important to make the point as well, though, that for those listening to this who are younger, don't, you know, look up Rupert Lowe. He was a laughing stop for like 20 years. And rightly so.

Absolutely joke. And the fact that he's now seen as some kind of semi-credible character, like he was like that figure of fun for a long old time. You'll always find a home there. Yeah. Maybe we can make a bit of cash. But you know, I'm not...

I just don't have the... I don't have the... It's the lack of creativity. I won't be to keep up with the lies. Yeah. But the contortion, but you just move on, don't you? The contortions, like,

there's no shame anymore. No. There's no truth anymore. You can't just sort of say one thing and they're just, oh, we go on the lips. Yeah. Liberal, isn't it?

Liberal tears. Liberal tears. I, I, um, I'm not endorsing this. But I'm just making this as, point as an example. Obviously, if you're a politician or you're some kind of like politically adjacent kind of figure or something, you can't really say it.

But the only thing that ever gets things done is like proper, heavy-handed, like dangerous shit. Like you ain't get, like there's a bunch of people, God bless them. I cycle past them quite a lot, right near Parliament Square, which by the way,

you can't even protest in now because they've passed a law. So they're right next to it. Waving their EU flags every day. Yeah. How long has it been now? 10 years? Maybe longer? Nothing's happened.

Yeah. It won't happen. Because that's not how things happen. The way things happen is people get properly fucking angry and properly mad and do something drastic. And everyone goes, oh, shit. Because the wafer thin kind of boundary of respectability is what holds it all together. When the London rights happened in 2012, I think it was, do you not remember some of the stats that were coming out about how they were started to, they were briefing.

They were really worried about it. and they were briefing there's only like 8,000 police officers in the whole London. Yeah. Because it's also predicated.

Because it's police to buy consent, right? And none of them have got any fucking way of controlling everything because it's not enough of them, right? And people started to realise that and everyone shit themselves. And then I think it rained or something

because everyone just went home. Yeah. Well, that's the thing that you can always guarantee a rainy day, can't you really, I suppose. That stops it as well. It stops it. So we haven't got the,

we haven't got the Iberian temperament. No, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I just think, I sometimes just feel thoroughly ashamed of British people. Not me.

Not you? No, no. Right, you're fine, right, okay. But you know what I mean, though? It's just like, how much you're going to part with? How much more are you going to park with? You wake up in the morning, right? You feel a bit of stress because working culture in the UK is terrible.

You've probably got a job you hate. Your boss is going to be one of those kind of Basil Faulty type characters always going to be a complete prick. You get in your car, which is really expensive. You can't afford to fill it up. You drive across pothole fucking roads all the way to work through traffic and end up feeling like shit when you get there, right? Like I say, your boss is a cunt.

you don't get paid very much your tax rate is a fucking disgrace and you come home and you do the whole thing again over and over and over again and you sometimes complain about it online But that feels more like like an office shooting

rather than the thrott of the government sounds like that I've not said that sounds like that's more likely You simply do have to start somewhere No I'm honestly not saying that But you know what I mean though

Yeah I know what you mean Yeah And I just there are certain Listen, I'm not going to put a name on it, but there are certain places in the world where they just wouldn't put up with that. They wouldn't put up with it. And I think it's shocking, really, honestly.

I do... Especially because we don't have the... We don't have the political and kind of... the policing to prevent us from protesting in that way. Do you know what I mean? Like, we haven't got, like, people like they do in, I don't know, Iran. Do you know what I mean? They're not like, you know, they're not killing,

protesters. Yeah. They don't have the capacity. You've got a democratic right here. No one fucking uses it. No. Yeah, no one really, I'm probably just as bad.

In fact, I mean, I do vote, but that's probably pretty much it. I do, I do get like, I mean, the other thing about it is,

I think a lot of psychology that underpins the fact that there's not, probably more revolutions, is that people, there's two main reasons. One is, I think Adam Curtis was talking about.

One is there's no overarching, unifying thing to believe in, whether that be a Christian God or communism or whatever, like a system. Right. And the second thing is that people are historically, despite what I've just said, in terms of like material possessions and sort of standard of living, it's really high now. You know, the peasants revolt.

Yeah. They're living fucking horrible lives, right? You know, a load of the rioting that happened ahead of the Civil Rights Act in the United States. It's because, like, African-American people were being properly subjugated and killed for being black, right? It's serious stuff. The standard of living here, respectively, is, or in comparison, is pretty high. I mean, people have got their mobile phones.

They've all, mostly all got cars if they want one. They've all got massive tellies. They've all got the internet. But there's a lot of distraction stuff going on. You know, you don't wake up in the morning the first thing you think is, right,

we're going to get with the comrades and fucking... This doesn't happen anymore, does it? So I wonder whether the time of that in this country is over anyway. Is that just like we've replaced religion? We've replaced, you know, everything else with capitalism. We're just kind of like...

Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. I'll make me feel better. Does it make you feel better? Always does. Same. What's the next thing you're going to buy? Do you know what made me,

well, I'll tell you something that made me really fucking happy this week when I was having a bit of shit you won. A lot of golf clubs. A lot of golf clubs just arrived. Yeah. Yeah. That's me sorted.

That's me happy now. Do you look at them and go, oh, are you not worried that you're going to scratch them as you whack them around. I have a bit of way about that. Yeah. What you need to do is do what I do

whenever I buy something, just give it a little scratch. Just get it done. Just get it done. I love them when they're in the bag. I don't love him as much when I'm swinging them. It's hard.

It's heavy. You should get into golf. I was just, um, you'd be wacky on the course. The, uh, yeah,

that's the main, it's patience, isn't it? You've really got to have concentration of patience, and I just expect to be good. Without being the most boring middle-aged man in the world,

and the cliche ever middle-aged man, there is something very therapeutic and mindful about playing golf. I totally, I didn't, I didn't expect it at all when I started playing and they totally caught me by surprise.

Yeah. When you're there on your own and it's in the fresh air, and it's normally quite quiet You don't have a dog No I don't I don't I don't think I've come to the conclusion I don't think I'm really a dog person No that's alright

That's fine I think I like Now there's the previously mentioned Alex Gonzalez on this show What does he like? Cats, he's a cat guy Yeah I've got company cats They're great Really good company Yeah they're clean

The house doesn't smell like piss No they're great company They're good value They do funny things There's a reason cats are like massive on the internet because they do funny stuff. I think dogs are funnier. Dogs are stupid.

The thing is, I do love dogs. From a... I just don't want one. Yeah. My, the Wi-Fi of access to doesn't like dog's mouths. Right, okay, yeah. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah. The slobary mouth. Yeah, they're always up to stuff. You know, they're always got their face and a shit. And they're obsessed with food, aren't they? Obsessed with food. They're just eating eat. They...

If you just gave your dog, your particular dog, unlimited food, would it does? Why? Oh, I don't know. Because how's that evolved to be a beneficial trait? I don't think animals ever have that much of a surplus. And if they do die, it's a great death. And all the other dogs go,

because you hear about Steve the dog? He ate himself to death. And they're like, oh, fucking dreams. Because you can buy products that's actually slow dogs eating down, can you? Right, okay. So you put their food in like a certain food bowl, which means they have to work a bit harder to get the food.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So otherwise they'll make themselves ill. I mean, it's mad. I don't know, Sammy, just too quick. Because he'll eat is food and then go on to Lola's. That's not right. Bit of a bit of controversy on the homestead. That's more.

I love to hear it. I was, uh, my daughter has a name that is my second name and my partner's second name. Yeah. Which one's first? It's Donaldson Champions. The champion is obviously a better name, so that's the surname, right? Right.

And Donaldson is the middle name. And we had like an argument about whether it was two second names without the hyphen, like Bonham Carter. Does that not have to be hyphenated though? I presumed it. Well, no, I think it can get away with not hyphenating it. But I said, no, we definitely agreed that champion will be the second name. I mean, you should be squaring this away, a way out of time.

but apparently I wrote that it was the middle name so that's what's on our passport her adoption certificate everything is just Donaldson is middle name and champion the second name my take is this is it matter no it doesn't matter but because I'm the one who fills in the forms

because I know me we're on a PDF and I've got a computer I like Sarah but she must be terrible at this if you're the one doing it I completely agree I'm slow but I'm effective yeah I'm the one who's getting all of that, the PDFs together and stuff.

Because Sarah is, she's like an advert for Cupertino, California. She is, she does everything, everything from Shore Prep for Radio Shore to managing, like a banking,

everything she does on her mobile phone. She rarely, if ever, uses a laptop for anything. I, if I've got to do anything more complex than writing a text message, I,

and even then with WhatsApps that are more complicated, I like to have a computer. I'm a laptop guy massively. I'm a honey man. I'm a honey man. And yeah, she adminises the entirety of her life on her mobile phone. It's very impressive, but I don't know how, I just feel like it's too small a window for your life.

Yeah, I've found myself in the middle of this house move negotiation. If it's like a serious email, I can't do it on my phone. No. It doesn't feel right. No, yeah. I don't want the old scent from my iPhone on there. I want people to think that I'm paying attention to this shit. I'm not on the train or something.

Yeah. So what's the upshot of this? Have you been in trouble? A little bit, but I was like, I mean, one should have won her, she, should have noticed that by now, that's not her middle name. That is her middle name.

It's a delightful insight to how your mind works, because your takeaway from this is, not that you made a colossal fuck-up. Didn't do a colossal fuck-up. She should have noticed it earlier. I was under the impression. I'm relatively 100% certain that we agreed that Donald's a champion

is an unwieldy second name and so the middle, putting Donaldson is the middle name. It's like a six syllable surname. Yeah. Mad, isn't it? My, the son I have access to won't sleep beyond 5.15 a.m.

Yeah, that's a, I would say that's a bigger problem for everyone. Yeah. It's just, it's just brutal. Especially like, if you ever, if you ever,

if you're ever out and about and you go to bed after 10 o'clock. Yeah. Nightmare. I'm talking about like proper ready to start the day, day at 5.50. Why are you not drinking rock? And like, it's not as if, like, with a child that age,

they can just potter about. Do you know what I mean? Like, you've got to be on him. He's starting to get to the level now where he will maybe just read a couple of books and muck about with his toys for a bit. Right. And he doesn't need any intervention.

But luckily, the Wi-Fi of accident is not currently working. So that relieves the pressure. It's like, well, if we can get him up and get him to nursery, I'll take him on the way into work. And she's got a day to herself. She can rest and sleep if she wants. Right.

We kind of, we work it out. Nice. But we are on the cusp of doing a, teaching him about what morning actually is. Get one of those, he's got a clock. Is that what it is? Just kind of like,

he's starting to work it out now. So basically the way it works, he's got Olly the owl in the middle. And you put him to bed to sleep when he goes to sleep. Yeah. And if he wakes up and Olly still asleep, he knows it's not morning. Right.

And he gets that. Nice. What he doesn't get is that not screaming for us. Yeah. To tell us. Night screams. Guys, oh, what, they're telling,

he's telling you that. I've woken up, like you asked me to, I've acknowledged that he's still asleep. It's like, no, no, no. You stay there. You stay there. You go about asleep. And it becomes more complicated

because obviously it started to get lighter in the morning. So he's like, daytime, what are you talking about? Yeah. Ollie the owl's a liar. Yeah. Sounds like Ollie the owl. I am starting to question. I'm starting to question.

The authenticity of Ollie the story. Right, let's have a break. When we come back, we'll do some more emails. We've got a battery as well this week. Woo! Welcome back to the looking picture. sure if you've got a battery that you've found in your possession, maybe in your shed, maybe in a draw.

We want to hear from you. Let's know what brand it is. We're a brand new player last week, didn't me? Let's see your fingernails. I think we had a brand new player last week. We did indeed. This is from Malcolm Bridges, who's set in a flurry of batteries,

apparently on the 24th of March. He's trying to, it's being the change he wants to be, really. They're pushing the boundaries of how the system actually works, but as long as we only accept one, it's fine. True. Yes, final entry for now in my battery daddy campaign.

A pay gong. Pay gong. P-E-I-Gong. Found in the recently deceased bathroom scale. It lived a good life. Fingers crossed boys love the show. A bathroom scale is certainly a very dignified way for a battery to perform its task. There was this...

There's a lot of love for drug dealer scales that there's a lot of like, you know, decent, weird, Chinese batteries that come out of them, almost specifically. There's little kind of like kitchen scale sort of thing. we do get a lot of emails about the kitchen skills. Well, P-E-I-G-O-N-G, is for the second week in a row, a brand new player. Hey!

Great thanks to you, Malcolm. Well done. Love to hear from Malcolm as well. The Flurry was worth it. I'm not going to read his email address out because that would be fair. No. Or legal, probably. But he's got a 95 in his email address, which says to me he was probably born in 1995.

Who on earth is naming their son, Malcolm, in 1995? Could he not have got his email address then? What, what, is it, is it a Gmail? Yeah. Oh, well, no, then. Because mine was Pete Donaldson underscore 99 at Yahoo! I don't cut it at you care for a long time. I've just docks myself.

You're not using that anymore, you know, in a mailbox that... I had one, I had one, the Bronx 51 at Hotmail.com. You did. I remember the Bronx, yeah. Do you know why it was the Bronx? I told you that story. Is it a rap song? No, is that when I first went to Farnborough College where I met Marcus,

he was a year behind me and Jim was the year behind me as well I did trials for the football team and got into the second 11 and they do all that initiation stuff I see and part of the initiation was that they turn up at your halls of residence room

and they grab you and take you to the bar and make you drink beer and stuff and you don't know it's happening right and then when they take you there, they stand you up in the circle and they talk about all the stuff that's embarrassing about you to kind of humiliate you as part of the kind of induction. Yeah. And when I was first there, this happened within that two weeks of being. I didn't know anyone or anything. I just done the trials that week or something. Yeah. Anyway, it was great. I loved the football team. It was

really good stuff. But retrospectively, it was fine. But at the time, it was a bit embarrassing because my parents had just been a holiday to the US with my sister. I didn't go since I was older. And they got me in a USA Dream Team basketball shirt. Right, yeah. And I was wearing that when they turned up. And I think they thought I was some kind of guy who loved... Those American things. Yeah.

So they start taking... You are a guy who lives American things. Well, no, I know. But they started to... They kept saying they kept calling me the Bronx. The Bronx. That's enjoyable. That's all right.

I guess because that's one of the most American things they could think of. The Bronx is a very funny and pretty... You know, Les Vets is a pretty cool nickname. So everyone... Everyone called you the Bronx. Not when you see me. The Bronx. So that's where it came from.

And so I had the nickname. So I had the email address, The Bronx. The Bronx. Did you see that? I've seen the Jack Reacher man. The big Jack Reacher man. Yeah, yeah. Lee Child.

The writer. Yeah, Lee Child. No, the guy you play is Jack Reacher in the TV show. Let me look at up. He's a man who's like bigger than all of the other men. And he's, you know, trend up to a million. Like he's big old muscular man. Oh, Alan Richson.

Alan Richson. And he's about like seven foot and he's, and he's, and he's, you know, good looking and very muscular. And, um, dads love that TV show because basically it's all, makes them feel like they could do that, yeah. Yeah, it's, it's all built around like,

oh, you, you've, you've kicked the wrong wasp nest here. Yeah. Because fucking Jack Reach is going to just smash the shit out of you. Probably he's only six foot three. He's a bigger man. He's a massive. Um, but he, um,

but he recently was, um, driving his, uh, his motor bikes around with his kid around, uh, I'm pretty, pretty, uh, built up his neighbour. And he beat up his neighbour, British bloc. But the neighbour, um, the video is like, the neighbour guy, like, try to push this gigantic man off his bike. And then the bloc just absolutely fills him in because he's massive and muscular. Why do they try and push him off his bike?

Um, I think he was sort of saying that he was annoyed that he was making a lot of noise and riding the bikes around and stuff. But, I mean, you've got to be pretty stupid to take that guy on. Yeah. I mean, there's, there's, there's, there's disc or muscle. and muscle muscles as well. Kids involved as well. Yeah.

I'm already addicted to watching little amateur fights on online. Well, little, um, little bust-ups in the park. One of the best ones is, have you seen the Box Park Wembley one?

Yeah. Yeah, the Xbox. The Xboxer just absolutely creams him. It's deliciousness. I know part of me thinks he shouldn't be doing that. But it's fucking great. Yeah.

I think if that gets to court, you're like, you're a train boxer. And you maneuvered yourself in a situation where you started swinging. like he doesn't even start swinging he just gives him a jazz and knocks him up cold and the guy

I quite like some of people get their comeuppance I did I absolutely on the golf course where the guy ends up in the lake yeah because he's accidentally taken on like an ice hockey player

yeah love it no I live for it I wonder the best thing about that is right the ice hockey player just completely shakes him down and at one point he punched him three times every time he punched him

he goes bang bang bang bang and throws the guy in the lake he's been a dickhead it's so it's so enjoyable. Anyway, we said we do an email as well, Peter. Congratulations to Malcolm for his his, which is a new player, though.

What about this email from our friend Oh, who's it from? George. Hello, George. Hello, George. He says, hi up, lads. After the deep dive into your fascination with the left we forget ification of scaffolding companies a lot back. Do you remember that? Yeah. A fascination, I'm

happy to admit I'd share. I thought I'd be I thought you both enjoyed this. I'm an architectural technologist in Sheffield, a job which often takes me to active building sites in which I've seen and heard all manner of interesting views. On a recent site visit over in Chesterfield, however, I was met with what can only be described as the worst thing I've ever seen. I had to spend around three hours with this guy, and I couldn't take my eyes off it for

most of that time. I'll leave the description to the attached photo up to you guys, but let me hear your thoughts. Like, essentially, how would you describe that, Peter? It's very arty, farty. It looks like he's done it himself. It looks like he's done it himself. It looks like he

charitably, I feel like it might even have been like dipped, like a design that, you know, when you dip some aqua dipping, you know, you put the water on the water.

Use it for tie-dye, use it for kind of, um, psychedelic kind of imagery and stuff like that, yeah. Yeah, but like actually quite precise things.

It feels like that's the only way you could dip a helmet like that. Oh, he's just sat there and, you know, got it painted by, maybe a, um...

Describe it, Peter. It's a multi-coloured, uh, popy red, um, stone grey, hat that somebody is painted

a protective helmet that somebody is painted less we forget and a soldier the unknown soldier and there's poppies and all that stuff it looks it looks a little bit like an art project not a particularly good one and he's yeah he's put it all over his helmet

it looks demented and presumably those things have to be yellow and reflective to see how it is to sort of see stuff What do you think is about builders, laborers, scaffolders, whatever, and this specific imagery? Why do you think, why does it go together? I don't understand what... I was being uncharitable.

There's probably a bit right-wing stuff in it. Yeah, but you don't see... Because right-win is always gone after, you know, people who've worked those jobs, no? You know, they sort of, you know, we're the ones who speak to you. Yeah, but all I'm saying is that's not the only working class slash right-wing job. It just seems to lend itself to that specific field. Is that... You don't see...

I mean, I suppose you don't really see that many kind of family-owned business anymore. But you don't... So, for example, right? You don't see my butcher's. Or plovers? Plumbers even. Just scaffolds. And builders?

Mainly scaffolders. But they're apparently, you know, people slate them and stuff. There's a bloke on Twitter who basically tries to defend the scaffolding You know, I don't know why scaffolders get a rough ride with the rest of the building for eternity. Do they? I didn't know that. Yeah, they sort of see them as the bottom of the food chain, which I don't really understand

because it's like, it's quite a, the way you sort of see people sort of put scaffolding up, I don't know how they sort of decide where, you know, what parts take all of the strain, how it helps. Exactly, yeah, you've got, yeah. So they're sort of regarded as being like drummers. They're like, you know, a bit thick and strong. Do you know what I mean? I don't understand that.

I don't understand where that comes from because at the end of the day, you are, it's easy to put a wall up if you're using cement. It's harder if you're using just metal. Yeah, I think it's... It's quite a problematic comparison for a number of different ways.

What I don't like about this is I had this debate with a friend of mine the other day, which is that it pisses me off and it goes back to what we're talking about in terms of the class system of this country that far too often, even when people don't realize they're doing it, they associate working class people

and people who haven't got much money as stupid. Right. But single-handedly, like the rhetoric, like, for example, is, oh, Nigel Farage, all the work clubs will just get taken in by him because they're stupid. And we know better.

In metropolitan London, we know better. We see through the lives. Yeah, but they physically, you know, they target people in those demographics, don't they? Yeah, because they know they get short shrift elsewhere. No, because their lives are hard, not because they're stupid. Yeah, I know.

But it's mistaken. for people being stupid. Yeah, and also I think... If you're sold a lie by people you're supposed to trust for years and years and years and you believe that lie, that's not because you're stupid,

that's because you've been manipulated. But the annoying thing is you... In the same way that everyone gets to manipulate, and the annoying thing that always gets me is that working class people are racist as well. Yeah, that's... Which is bullshit. Which is...

It's totally untrue. Throughout history, it's been proven that the working classes have done more... 100%. I've done more with, you know, welcomed in... more people than the aristocracy would be. The people who, time and time again the data does show,

I looked it up, time and time again the data does show, the people who have by far the most reason to hate immigration as a general rule aren't bothered by it. And we're living in a bit of a strange time at the moment, but the thing you've got to factor in about the current climate is just the sheer amount of brain-rotting lies that are on people's primary... source of not of news, right?

So it started off with like, you know, Fox News and that kind of stuff in the US before the internet properly took off. But now it's just relentless. You can't tell what's real and what isn't, quite literally. So you can't blame people for being like that. And also people who haven't got as much money don't have anywhere near the opportunities in this country because that's how it works. Anyway, that

hard hat is a fucking disgrace. More importantly. Yeah, I mean, I'm interested. I was just really interested in why they've tacked onto that particularly because it could have been anything. You know, if you could make, I know that the kind of Remembrance Sunday you've got an etymology of this

is from the first world war I get that but you would argue that in terms of a cultural impact you know D-Day the Battle of Britain a lot of Second World War stuff even some other stuff as well should be as ripe for this as that but it's the iconography I suppose isn't it that that's the one which is powerful yeah the poppy and all that stuff

even more than the Spitfire seems yeah you see spitfires part of it yeah it's all kinds of spitfire nonsense Anyway, all right, on that note, let's get out of here, Peter. Take us away. Take us away from this stuff.

Yes, we'll be back, lest we forget on Monday. Look after yourselves over the weekend. And do drop some email, hello to meet pieture.com. Tata. Take goodbye, Luke. Oh, goodbye.

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