The Luke and Pete Show - Another problem eels don’t need

Episode Date: May 21, 2020

It’s Thursday which means we’re back with a brand new episode of The Luke and Pete Show!Today we’re expanding on Monday’s conversation about anechoic chambers, as well as discussing a certain substance that has been wreaking havoc for eels in the River Thames.Luke also has another bash at quantum physics, we get excited for the Tony Hawk remaster and Pete’s got some top tips for a better night’s sleep.Drop us a line at [e-mail]!***Please rate and review us on Apple or wherever you get your podcasts. It means a lot and makes it easy for other people to find us. Thank you!*** Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

it's the luke and peach it's a thursday i hope it's sunny sunny i hope it's sunny uh where you are or if you are a person who prefers a more watery experience i hope it's really hot. I'm in pain, Luke. I ate a burger from last night's delivery order this morning. It turned up this time, didn't it?

It turned up this time, yeah. Yeah, it's turning up twice and it's, yeah, I went in for my second go at this gigantic, stupid burger

and I'm not faring well, to be honest. Where'd you get it from? I don't know where to start your day. It was this weird off-brand. It was called... Their big thing was that their burgers are bigger than everyone's.

Not better. Not made with finer quality ingredients. Just bigger. And they were incredibly expensive, but they had a 50% off offer. And that kind of lured me in. And I think I've just been sold an absolute kipper. It looks like something my mum used to make in the 80s. Well, if it's a kipper, it would taste disgusting in the morning.

There is one, you know my feeling on this, and I know you've flouted my recommendations on more than one occasion. Flouted a feeling. There's only one takeaway type that is suitable to be eaten the next morning, and it's pizza. That's it.

Chinese. No, no. It's the terrible shout. You've always got stomach problems. You're like Kurt Cobain. It's endless stomach issues because all you do is eat takeaway food in the morning. I just want any excuse to have a bit of heroin.

That's all. Oh, he didn't want to go on to it. That's it. It's because he had terrible have a bit of heroin, that's all. Oh, he didn't want to go on to it. I said, you know, it's because he had terrible stomach pains. It was also heroin as well. It's like the bloke, I always sort of say

that the bloke out of Sublime, I'm fairly, like an ex-girlfriend was obsessed with Sublime and she said, it was the first time he ever took heroin

when he died. I was like, that doesn't sound like, that doesn't sound like what happened. I don't know anything about Sublime. I couldn't even name

one of their songs. But Peter. Santeria is very't even name one of their songs. But Peter... Santeria is very popular around the sort of Texas area. You hear it in every cafe or bar. It's weird. I've probably heard it and not known what it was. Do you mind just taking over for a couple of seconds? I think I might need to sneeze.

Yeah, I mean, if you're a fan of OPM, Heaven is a Halfpipe, it's kind of what they were based on, effectively. They based... You know that? Early in the morning, I just do the thing, I just look and dig... That one. That's sublime. So you'll know that one. Oh, is it? Yeah, I know that one.

It sounds exactly like Lady Madonna by the Beatles. Oh, yeah. So they were the original RPMs then, basically. I thought you were going to say the original Beatles. I just muted my mic to have a quick sneeze. That's where I went there. Thank you very much. Enjoy.

It's very nice, very enjoyable. Luke and Pete show, for those of you who don't know, we talk rubbish every show twice a week. It's worked for a few years now. I thought we'd just stick with it. But I was pointed in the direction, and I promised this on Monday's show, so I'm delivering on that promise, which is unlike me because I normally forget.

Matt Potter brought this story to my attention, and it's up there with one of the best newspaper headlines I think I've read for quite some time, and it goes like this. Cocaine in the River Thames is another problem eels don't need says expert oh no the eels again they're the ones who are getting lonely in the zoo yeah i know apparently apparently more and more people are washing cocaine into the river thames by flushing it down the toilet, by all sorts of different reasons. Secreting it.

Yeah. And apparently it's really, really bad for fish, but particularly eels. And the guy who's quoted in this, I think he's some kind of marine biologist. He makes an interesting point, Peter. I'd like your thoughts on it. says fish and eels struggle and people are more likely to care about more charismatic and cuddly animals but species of eel are really important to the ecosystem

who's thinking of the eels hey who's thinking of the eels uh um i'm trying to think of the man's name from the band the eels. What's his name? E. Mark Everett. Mark Everett. That's right, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think about Eels quite a lot. For some reason, YouTube always suggests that Eats program where the man goes to, I think it's like a Vice documentary sort of series where a man goes to an East London Eels and Pie shop

and this guy manages to gut an eel in about 10 seconds with a big sharp blade. And he's got horribly big hands. Yeah. So yeah, I think about how non-delicious eels are and how much I'd rather them just stay in the sea. So yeah, I think about them quite a lot, to be honest. Do you like jellied eels?

They're just one of those things that i don't want to impress the people who like them so i want like i just thought it'd be something you would you would lap up i thought you'd really like it it feels to me like i've had i've had them a few times and again every time i've been presented with some jelly deals i've eaten them because i want to acquire a taste but they they're just hard work aren't they they don't they don't taste of anything in particular you're like you've got to put loads of like you've got to put something on them to make them taste in any of anything really it's just it's an unlovable fish i think just leave leave and be leave and be why are they in jelly where's the jelly come from why is that a part of it i think the jelly comes from their their kind of um their makeup doesn't it?

I think they are quite gelatinous. And then maybe they add gelatin to it, but I think they're naturally quite gelatinous. Interesting, right. Because they're boiled, aren't they? And they're left to cool. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they're just so tight.

The meat is just so tight. Maybe I could have something gourmet version of it and it would taste amazing. But I just, it like like every time i'm at a french restaurant i'll i'll have a crack at snails and that took me a long time to get get around i've got the taste for it now i kind of understand what i'm working with but now it's just taste garlic though right grass just a grass doesn't it doesn't taste a garlic i just taste the grass i've said it before on this before but uh yeah eels can, can't be arsed with eating them. I've had them in a few different ways, not just jellied.

And I've just not found the dish for me, quite frankly. In one part of, because you know, snails are obviously, people think of France when they think of snails. But there's a county in England, I want to say Lincolnshire, but that might not be right. But there's a huge tradition of eating snails and they call them yeah okay right they call them wallfish wallfish oh no they do they eat them it's been it's been um it's been they've been eating them for a hundred hundreds of years but no one really talks about them because i suppose it's um it's

not seen as fashionable, I guess. What's that big? Isn't it big? One of those big slugs that look like penises that people eat. I don't know. It's one of your worst chat-up lies, I'll tell you. It's like, what is it? I'm having a look.

Is it geoduck? It's a clam, but it looks like a big slug. And it contains so much water. You have it on your plate, and when you sort of pick it up, it still kind of squirts out water because there's so much water in it. It's not familiar. Give it a Google. It comes in a perfectly amicable, amiable kind

of shell that you can hold the bottom of and just eat. And people just sort of just chew the top of and just eat and people just sort of just chew the top of this giant sort of clam thing uh i'm sure it's lovely and delicious but uh they just they just look too much they look like wangers there's no two ways about them they look like wangers i'm quite a squeamish eater so anything that's like i'm not really into it particularly stuff like awfully stuff and but the one thing i do find interesting is that people love to virtue signal about uh how much they love every food and how like oh yeah it's tedious when

people like people it's odd to me how you'll get real foodies who'll say oh i'll eat absolutely everything and they're really virtue signal about it but then it's kind of confusing because it's like well if you're such a discerning guy when it comes to food or girl then surely you won't eat everything because it's like me saying i love music but i'll listen to anything people who say i'll listen to anything don't know anything about music today that's part of the thing they say so it doesn't really make any sense like i'm a big film fan what films you like all of them doesn't make any sense films that that's one something i didn't say on the on the ramble uh on on Monday. We were watching the film Goal 2. And remember Michael Owen's just not into films at all.

He hates them. He's got five films he watches, et cetera, et cetera. He's actually in that film, and that wasn't on his list. I think I may have said that on the Rambler. So he's in more films than he's seen? He's in a fifth of the films. Yeah. It's outside the circle of the films he's seen,

but he's in the film. So it's kind of confusing. And he's probably in circle of the films he's seen, but he's in the film, so it's kind of confusing. And he's probably in a few more films as well. I reckon a footage of Michael Owen has ended up in more... If we went to Michael Owen's IMDb, there'll be some feature films that he's managed to find himself into, his way into, and yeah. His ratio would be absolutely unreal.

Most of us, we would have watched 1,000 films and not been in any. Yeah. You know? Yeah, I've got... of us, we would have watched a thousand films and not been in any. Yeah. I've got, for some reason, I think when I was researching Goal 2, I was trying to find, I was like, oh, it's weird that footballers have IMDB pages,

but of course they do. I think I'm the only member of the Ramble for some weird reason that has an IMDB, but it's only because of a film from the Stakhanov podcast stable abroad in Japan. He did like an online YouTube video where he went across Japan and I'm involved in that. So that's the only reason why I've got an IMDb page. I've not done any other things in that sphere. So I don't know who set it up, but somebody did and they put Pete

Donaldson and I think I'm the second one on the it that's annoying me it's very exciting it's very exciting luke that annoys me because i my whole career is a testament to me trying to be better than you at stuff and so now i'm gonna have to do that but you know pete i want to bring to you um to our attention um a revisit of the quiet chamber you talked about because chris Frost sent me a link on Twitter about that, is it called an anechoic chamber? Well, I mean, it's without echo, so yeah, I imagine that would be a pretty good way

of describing it. Yeah, that's what they call them anyway. But you were talking about, weren't you, how it was like the quietest place in the world or something, and I don't really remember. Say again? And you go loopy after a while. Yeah, so apparently there's one developed by Microsoft,

this Quiet Chamber up in Washington State, which has now got the world record as being the quietest place on earth. But the link that Chris sent was for a place called Orfield Labs Quiet Chamber, which is in Minneapolis. But the question I wanted to ask, because I can't actually remember how much detail you went into, but basically it's this room that's set up to block all sound completely. So for perspective, a typical bedroom at night,

a regular quiet bedroom at night, still measures at about 30 decibels. This chamber measures at minus 9 decibels. And I wanted to ask you how that was possible. How did they manage to get it to minus? I don't know. That's what I was going to ask you. It doesn't make any sense.

Is it like kind of not a fair change? Like, you know, when you, you know how like noise cancelling headphones work. I think they play the complete inverse audio into your ears at the same time to block out the sound so basically i thought they omitted certain things to head off sounds when they reach you i think it played i think it basically uh i this is complete nonsense but it basically records everything that's going on outside and very quickly fires that same information inversed like inversely i don't know what that what's inversed i i really don't i've been working

with all this a long time and i don't know what inverse phase and all that stuff means but it basically reverses that audio and fires a complete mirror image of that audio at you so your brain knows to cancel out effectively so it's your brain that that's doing all the work there. But I do. So maybe that's what they're doing. They're not only zero decibels. They're actually, you know, making it even, they're making it louder on the other spectrum. I don't really know.

It's so confusing. But I just know that if I ever set foot in one of those bloody rooms, I would instantly die. I'd be left alone with my thoughts, and they would be so loud, my head would explode. Well, exactly. That's one of the interesting things about it. So it is amazing.

It's obviously an amazing piece of technology, and they use it to get a properly neutral background. One of the examples they use in the article that Chris sent me was companies like Harley uh use it to create quieter bikes but make sure they still sound like the traditional harley davidson sound for example and it's stuff like they use the test led displays to make sure they're not too loud and that kind of thing but anyway so you can only go in there for a short supervised stay but sometimes uh reporters go in there to do columns or whatever and but the record is that

why only the record for staying in there is only 45 minutes and most people leave well under half that time because um apparently your ears adapt to the silence but you can still hear stuff like your heartbeat your stomach your lungs and it's apparently really really odd because you become the sound basically yeah i don't like it it's very strange i don't like it i'd love to put you in there yeah i'd love to stay there for a little while play play out some really underwhelming scar punk from the 90s. Cool. As it was meant to be heard. As it was meant to be heard. Actually, speaking of which,

you very helpfully put a little Twitter shout out, what you want us to talk about. The Tony Hawk remaster coming out in December, asks Douglas Quaver Jr. They're going to be remastering Tony Hawk's one and two of the video games from the PlayStation. Couldn't get right to the music though, could they? Yeah, they've had to be remastering Tony Hawk's 1 and 2 of the video games from the PlayStation Couldn't get rights to all the music though could they? Yeah they've had to remove a couple of them

and they certainly have done in the past they've remastered them so many bloody times from mobile and a couple of other things What platform will this one be on? Will it be on Switch? I think it'll be, oh I would say it's probably heading for Switch, certainly PlayStation and Xbox you never know with them but yeah they always sort of have to

fiddle with it a little bit just simply because they just they just feel like they have to they did remaster the first one uh a little while ago and it was an absolute shit show so everyone's getting very excited i've had my ear to the ground uh on the whole tony hawk uh remaking uh kind of uh world and let's just say i'm not holding up much hope for this being any good. But I do like the fact that they're going to be aging all of the skaters appropriately. So there's going to be a 55-year-old Tony Hawk

playing in a school. That's stupid. It's a skate body in a school in the video game. That's ridiculous. I loved that game back in the day. It was a big vibe back in the late 90s, early 2000s. But you're not going to be hearing Public Enemy and Anthrax. That's all we're saying.

Bring the noise. That's a classic tune. Is it going to have Superman on it? Goldfinger, Superman? I don't think you can get away with removing Lagwagons, May 16th, or Superman by Goldfinger. We're doing quite a lot of stuff on... It's their pension.

I think they're reminding of us. I think probably this COVID thing us and I think they're probably this COVID thing has kind of coincided with their sort of live sessions over the internet kind of thing. They've probably done quite well because no one's really talking

about Goldfinger at the moment. No. For obvious reasons. Exactly. Other subjects coming in. Titanic conspiracy theories. I mean, we've got very little time to research that, Rallan.

Korean sex dolls. We talked about that on the Football Rble on Monday. Your favourite dinosaur and why Barney excluded? What's your favourite dinosaur, Luke? Probably Denver. He was the last one.

Last one in. First one in your heart. The problem is he had a very problematic theme tune as we talked about before. He's your friend and a whole lot more. Yeah.

He's got a lot of benefits. Yeah. He's your friend and a whole lot more. Yeah. Friends of benefits. Yeah. Dinosaurs of benefits. He just always does his hangout with kids. Yeah. It's not right. Mine was probably the baby out of dinosaurs. Not that much.

Yeah, that's a good show. By the way, I didn't realise this, but you said there that, oh, Titanic conspiracy theories. I had no idea that was even a thing, and I've just Wikipedia'd it, and there's a massive, massive article about it. So I might read that later. It never happened.

Yeah, let's pick that one up on Monday. Turns out it's still knocking about and you can go on it if you want. Yeah, you can find it, yeah. I like the fact that people are sort of doing like, you know, versions of what people would be like if the Titanic went down like now yeah they'd be sort

of like truthers and like did it really happen on this stuff yeah i don't think you need i think lifeboats are overrated uh you know paralleling the covid mask sort of thing stuff they don't protect your head and stuff it's just so many good things going around and you know the titanic has got what is the source of one of the best movie quotes of all time. There was a movie made in 1980 called Raise the Titanic. I can't remember the specific source of the quote. It might have been the director. It might have been the guy who funded it.

But it was a bomb. It did nothing. It was terrible. It cost $40 million to make, and it grossed $7 million, and that was it. And it was the producer, Lou Grade, when he was asked about it in retrospect, said it would have been cheaper to lower the Atlantic.

She's a great mom. That's such a good quote. Lovely. All right, we're going to take a short break. We'll be back with some of your emails. Hello at lukenpitchshow.com. Are you struggling to find something to watch during lockdown? You've drained Netflix, re-watched all your old favourites,

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Hope you enjoyed that. Emails, Luke, have you got one for us? I have. I've got one about quantum physics, Pete. Oh, no. If there's one email that's title that's going to put you off anymore, it's probably an email about quantum physics, but it's from Jamie. Now, I mentioned, didn't I i something about the fascination of quantum physics to the extent that i understand

it which is pretty much non-existent but it just so turns out that our listener friend jamie um has only discovered the luke and pete show recently and he's called it a godsend his words not mine um the god particle yeah. The God Particle podcast. He says, though, I actually listen to it when I'm taking a break from studying for my exams for my master's degree in theoretical physics. So I'm probably in the perfect position

to answer your call from the last episode. Well, he's not got through the finishing tip just yet, so not the perfect. I'll address the gigantic elephant in the room, which is why a man who is clearly this intelligent is listening to the Luke and Pete show, but that's his problem, not ours.

So Jamie says, in quantum physics, so see how much of this you can get, because I think Jamie explains it in quite an interesting way. He says, in quantum physics, if we want to predict where a particle might be, we do quantum physics specific maths to calculate its probability of being in different positions, i.e. the maths is different from what you'd use

to calculate the position of the moon, for example. If you sketch the probability with positions on a graph, it would be a wave. But when we observe the particle, we know where it is, so we can narrow down its position to an almost exact point, almost because of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, because quantum mechanics is weird. We're not going into that now.

He said, we call this the wave function collapsing to a state, as we used to need a wave to describe the particle, but now we can just say where it is. The Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics says that this is physically what is happening, that particles are probably probably waves until we observe them upon which they collapse into an object at a point this is well supported by evidence like the double slit experiment luke mentioned but isn't actually

proven and some physicists still believe that there is something subtler going on physically we just don't and we just have a good mathematical model for it finally about your point observing the moon which i said was in theory that if no one observed the moon would it actually exist he says we don't actually know what would happen if nothing were observing it so far quantum mechanics only seems to affect incredibly small things um quite at what point and why the universe stops obeying classical physics and starts obeying quantum physics we don't yet know hope that's cleared some stuff up for you guys and if you want to know more uh check out qed by richard feinman a great book by one of the greatest teachers and scientists of all time thank you for keeping me sane jamie i mean recommending a book at the end i've got to get

over the hurdle first jamie. What a book. Yeah. Pete's actually written more books than he's read. I mean, quantum mechanics and quantum physics, it sounds very much like the study of musical statues. So that's what I'm kind of working on. Yeah, it is a bit. It's a wave until you look at it and then it's like, whoa, steady, I wasn't doing nothing. I wasn't doing nothing, sir.

I was just studying the whole time, baby. But I'm pretty sure, and Jamie can tell us more about this, I'm pretty sure that's the principle behind Schrodinger's cat because you put a cat in a box and if some subatomic particles react in a certain way, they emit a gas which kills the cat,

but they might not, which doesn't kill the cat, but it only happens if you observe it gas which kills the cat uh but they might not which doesn't kill the cat but it only happens if you observe it so therefore the cat is technically dead and alive at the same time and you because you only find out by opening the box right that's a really shit way of explaining it but that's essentially the principle as far as i understand it jamie can give us more information on that but i think that's a way of explaining of trying to describe what happens at a subatomic level in the quantum world at a much bigger macro level. And that's the example they use. Jamie, hopefully, will email back and then give us a load more of a better explanation than that.

But that, to me, is absolutely fascinating. And like the shoring of the cat thing, I mean, you could simplify it even further. You don't even need to sort of talk about how the cat might be alive or might be dead just either the cat is alive or cat is dead and we don't know until we open the box and look at the cat either way you shouldn't bring it into the library sir yeah out of here and you know and and and in dear old toby's case the dirty nappy's either on the doorstep or isn't you're not going to find out till you open the door oh that feeling though of like opening your front door and there might be a dirty nappy

sat there fresh or there might not be. It might be all over your garden. It might be. Maybe we have stumbled onto a beautifully kind of like, you know,

This is now getting a little bit kind of, a little bit gothic. Where is the cat in the garden? It's all over the garden. It's all over the place. Well, speaking of physicists, we've got an email

from Timothy Brown, D. Ream, Brian Cox, and a lot of gaffer tape. Dear Luke and Pete, listening to Pete's birthday special and mentioning D. Ream reminded me of a great story concerning the band.

This story comes from an old chemistry teacher, let's call him Dr. T. Through the years, there's always been rumours about Dr. T having a bit of a rock star past and annoying a few celebrities. Sounds like a rapper. Yes, Dr. T. Through the years, there'd always been rumours about Dr. T having a bit of a rock star past and annoying a few celebrities.

Sounds like a rapper. Yes, Dr. T does. After a sixth form of needling questions in our final lesson, he conceded that in the 80s, he'd been a roadie for a few bands in European tours, including the aforementioned D-Ream. Obviously, this name drop didn't have much impact on an ignorant group of millennials,

although the name Brian Cox did get a few murmurs of interest. Keen to milk the audience's Dr. T tells a story about one of DVD's earlier tours, a young Brian Cox, head swollen with fame, who was getting a bit big for his boots. After a show and after one demand too many, a group of roadies, Dr. T included, grabbed Brian and gaffer-taped him to a lighting rig,

hoisted him several metres off the ground whilst they packed the rest of the kit up. Safe to say Brian piped down after this. Dr. T still meets Brian for a curry every year and informed us that brian doesn't have a favorite curry but prefers to explore the chef's specials thanks to keep the show going it's a welcome relief from the from the banalities of lockdown life have you ever taped a physicist to a post let us know it was just it was merely an experiment um to show uh gravity at work it's all it was indeed, yeah.

It was. I think those roadies should respect the talent. That's what I think. And they'd be very lucky to do a job of carrying like that. Yeah, I think maybe he probably wasn't that much in charge of D-Ream. Maybe he just didn't have that much sway. I mean, out of the Monday and Friday collection on the Football Ramble, I'm sort of thinking, is there anybody we couldn't tape to a post?

Like I get taped to a post and I couldn't get anyone fired. You the same. Yeah. Marcus might incur the wrath of the Lord. I don't know. I think Brassel or Jules, maybe Brassel or Jules on a Tuesday. If we tape one of them,

we'd be in serious physical danger or trouble. I would never trouble I would never I would never gaffer tape either Andy or Jules to a post because they're too nice I mean Jules

Jules you could use like a stamp I reckon yeah but she'd also kick your ass as well but the thing is I think we've developed enough

of a of a of a kind of hierarchy not a hierarchy but like a culture at football level daily where no one is really too big for their boots if someone if someone of a kind of hierarchy, not a hierarchy, but like a culture at Football Level Daily

where no one is really too big for their boots. If someone got taped, I think everyone else would just find it really funny. So there would be no problem. But Peter, one thing I do want to say is I remember speaking to you on a Monday at work once after a Sunday night Brian Cox episode on the BBC. It was probably Wonders of the Universe.

I talked to you about how great it was and you replied saying, you've never watched any of his shows because you don't like his face. Yeah, I don't like his lips. You said he looks like he's wearing a death mask of his own face, is what you said. He looks all stretched. Yeah, I understand what you mean. He looks so waxy.

Do you know what I mean? I don't know why he suddenly became... Because he was always the bloke on Sean Keaveney's sixth breakfast show. Yeah. And... He was always really great on that. Yeah, but then he sort of appeared less and less on that

and kind of appeared more and more on... That was my chair, not a pump, by the way. I didn't hear it. More and more on the telly. And I always just thought, oh, it's that guy from, it's just that guy from Sean Keaveney's breakfast show. But the point is as well, though, I mean, to get on TV as a scientist, being really good at science isn't the difficult part.

The difficult part is, can you be really good on TV? And if you can, you're miles ahead of 90 of all other scientists i mean i'll say that with love my wife is a scientist and very personable he's got great social skills most scientists do not have that so they can't do tv work and yet brian cox is clearly a very affable chap with a great sense of humor and understands the cultural relevance of what he's saying and it's not like he's not separated off from real life like most people say in who are in the know say that science just needs a better pr team really because the work they do is amazing but they get mistrusted all the time because they're not very good at articulating what they're talking

about and people think of them like these weird poindexters so alpha male weird demagogic presidents for example don't trust them because they literally don't trust them because they don't understand what they're all about. Yeah, I was going to ask, like, why does science need PR? But yeah, you're right. It literally is underpinning all of the problems we're having right now in the world. Yeah, exactly. Let's finish up

with this email from Dennis. And as I say sometimes to you and to our listeners on the show, I sometimes give a little headline of the email on my notes so that if i don't get to it and i get to it in a couple of weeks time i can remember what it's about and this is one of those emails a couple of weeks ago i shortlisted this and i gave it the headline man disrespects us and recommends others do the same this is from this is from dennis who says

hi guys even if you don't read this email out I thought you should know that you help me get to sleep each night. Oh. I suffer from mild insomnia, which despite the term mild can sometimes mean I don't sleep at all in the night or I frequently wake up and am forced to just lay there with my thoughts. And this happens at least nine to ten times a month with a few nights resulting in a quality rest. Over the years, I've tried many things to help myself get to sleep

and failed many times. But since discovering your show about a month ago, I have slept considerably better, often putting your show on just before I lay down or during the night. I don't really know the exact science behind why this is the case. I thought it might also be an interesting talking point for your show. I've previously been recommended multiple treatments with suggestions such as intense exercise or music, but it also always fails.

If any of the resident doctors of Luke and Pete show know why podcasts particularly help, I'd be intrigued to find out. And there we go. He says, I'm falling asleep while listening to someone talk is usually a bad thing. I'd like to thank you for unknowingly helping me get so much needed rest. Now, I don't mean to um trivialize dennis's issue because it's obviously horrible touch wood unfortunately enough i'm a fairly good sleeper generally but if anyone else has got some tips to share with the luke and pete show community or as dennis says any doctors are listening who can help out do that because it's an awful awful

thing i know a few people who've got bad insomnia and it is miserable everyone's so everyone's different and i is i think we've spoken about before like the doctors who uh study sleep um frequently contracted insomnia because anxiety anxiety uh um uh connected insomnia because they're just so into how fucking important sleep is and how a good sleep cycle underpins everything i said underpins a lot this episode underpins everything else that that goes wrong with your body so it's like like sleep is the most restorative and best thing you can do with your body forget your jaw in the juice green health shakes yeah that you've stolen off a woman from the only way is essex. Forget all that nonsense.

Just get a good night's rest. And it's so impossible in our workaday world with our responsibilities and our mobile phones and I need to be connected all the time. We just never, ever switch off. Have you thought about installing an echoic chamber? Does that make it better or worse? I'd love to meet the person who has been in there longer, the person who's sort of stayed in there for the longest time.

Yeah, the one probably sat in the corner of the pub with their hood up with no one around them. Yeah, he's probably sort of confused for a man who just goes to a lot of Grateful Dead concerts. Yeah. Pete, what's your tip for getting off to sleep? You don't want to know it now. I don't know.

I think when you're jet lagged, you become unnecessarily obsessed with sleep and how you're not getting it and how. So I just think, don't worry about it. If you're up, you're up. Go and get some food, eat some food, and invariably you'll drift off back to sleep, even if that is at four o'clock in the morning

and you're eating at ridiculous times. Have a little snack and invariably your body drift off back to sleep, even if that is at four o'clock in the morning and you're eating at ridiculous times. Have a little snack and invariably your body will sort of go, right, Pete, you need to relax now. Let's go back to sleep. Or you can order some pretty strong tranquilizers off the internet. Yeah, I knew that was going to go down. As soon as I asked the question, I knew that was going to make up some of the answer

and I instantly regretted it. Antihistamines. I would say... Some antihistamines. I would say. Some antihistamines. Yeah. One of the things I've learned over the years, and there's not that many of them, obviously, but one of the things I have learned is that one of the biggest problems around things like anxiety or stress, and this can play into that, I think, because sleep would absolutely

fall under that category. I can easily imagine that, is fighting against the way you're feeling or the situation you're in and not accepting it because part of the anxiety or the stress or the insomnia comes from fighting against what is clearly a suboptimal situation whereas one step along the line could be to just to accept it understand the situation you're in don't fight it. And that for me has always been the first step along getting past, whether it's stress or anxiety, whatever it may be, any kind of not ideal mental situation, basically.

That's the only thing I can offer. Thankfully, touch wood, I do need quite a lot of sleep, but I'm quite a good sleeper. So I can't offer anything else because thankfully so far, I've not really experienced it. Yeah, I just sort of think that anything that I've kind of angled myself like a quite fortuitous life where I can sleep all the time. No, but your patterns are quite up and down because you've told me before.

Since I finished doing Absolute Radio and the first two months of the year, I settled into what you would probably describe as a nine to five, like going to sleep at 12 o'clock. I got to sleep at like 11, waking up at about seven. I was going to the gym every morning. I was going to work and I, you know, I did an unheard of like, you know, Monday to Friday for like eight weeks in the office

and it was quite good. And then this hit. And so like my little routine has been, I was so proud of myself, Luke, that I managed to sort of get up, get into work, do what needs to be done. Well, I still waste a lot of time along the way. Let's make that very clear.

But I was getting into a bit of a routine that had been denied me because I was working until one o'clock in the morning every night for the last, something like seven years. So like I was getting a lovely little routine and then this hit and that is the real uh you're the real victim no but but seriously I think there's a serious point in that and I think and I might have mentioned this before but I think I think it really is and even if I have mentioned before I'm going to say it again because I think it's important a lot of the rhetoric and a lot of

the um internet website columns and newspaper columns, because people are desperate for content because they think everyone's doing nothing else, have been about, oh, here's what you can learn. Here's what you can do under lockdown. You've got all this time on your hands. And not enough of it is said, don't fucking worry about it.

Listen, we're all in a difficult situation, right? I've felt really tired because my pattern's been all over the place recently, even though I sleep pretty well traditionally. Don't stress about it. Don't think to yourself, oh, God, I'm not getting anything done or I'm not learning a new skill or I'm not learning a language. All this stuff can be preposterous because no one knows the situation you're in.

My advice, if people want it, would be get through it. Be as happy as you can. Get through it. Stay realistic and just look after yourselves and the people you're living with and isolating with. And that's really all you can hope for it stay realistic and just look after yourselves and the people you're you're living with and isolating with and that's really all you can hope for anything else is just a bonus don't be so hard on yourself all the time don't use words about yourself that you'd never use about other people like lazy or whatever i'll never use that about myself um so yeah that's that's what i would that's what i would say. And I've spent a lot of my time sat in a spare room,

talking into a microphone with a little hat from an innocent smoothie on top of it. And if anyone's going to go and say, it's going to be me. You started seeing that little hat in your vision. Yeah. Like a first-person shooter. It's just kind of floating in front of you all the time. Well, so far, everything's gone okay. So it's a bit of a lucky charm now. So's just kind of floating in front of you all the time. Well, so far everything's gone okay,

so it's a bit of a lucky charm now. So I don't want to get rid of it. Well, you're like a kind of, I mean, if you're going to sort of say, you know, we're talking about audio, these incredibly specific audio engineers who've managed to sort of rig up this minus eight decibel studio. I mean, you're well on your way to sort of hacking your way

to that situation. You've managed to deaden the sound in your bedroom. I don't think we've ever put a podcast out that hasn't sounded like we're in the same room um and i've got a fucking 800 quid isolating vox thing that that sounds like a fucking submarine yours sounds great and you're using a bloody hat from a a smoothie yeah i'll send the picture around i'll send the picture around at some point i'm also i'm also wearing a hat at the moment because my hair is so long. So it looks like the microphone is doing an impression of me. Yeah, well.

Anyway. I bleached my hair. Yours has gone long. You've just put an hat on. We both got hats on. It's the summer. I think it's been clear for some time that this episode finished quite a while ago.

So I'm going to wrap it up. Hello at Luke and Pete Show to get in touch. Oh, sorry. Hello at LukeandPeteShow.com to get in touch. At Luke and Pete Show is our destination touch. I'm sorry. Hello at Luke and Pete show.com to get in touch at Luke and Pete show is our destination on Twitter. We will be back on Monday with more of this nonsense. I might look into some of those Titanic conspiracy theories as requested by

one of our listeners. No promises though. Have a great weekend. Look after yourself, stay safe and we'll, we'll see you again soon. Say goodbye, Peter.

Goodbye, Peter. And it's goodbye from me as well This was a Stakhanov production