The Luke and Pete Show - Bad Knees and a Hosepipe Ban

Episode Date: July 30, 2026

Buckle up, everyone, it’s learning time and we’re getting to the bottom of some mysteries. Why don’t animals have green fur? Why does Luke respect Pete as a broadcaster? You’re about to find out the answers to both.Plus, Luke details his heated phone call to Thames Water, Pete’s knees are shot to bits and we have a new history book of the week.Send us your latest stories, questions and comments here: [e-mail] Luke and Pete Show is the sometimes ridiculous, always funny podcast with Luke Moore and Pete Donaldson: two men who have time on their hands and a good idea of how to waste it. Subscribe to get your comedy podcast fix every Monday and Thursday. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to Boca Pitcho. It is Thursday. I'm Pete Donaldson. I'm joined by Mr. Lukimo. How the devil are you doing? Bon Joom. I'm good, thanks. I've got a baseball cap on today because the hair is a haircut, big time. It's a little trucker cap. Do you remember Von Dutch?

Remember von Dutch clothing of the late 90s that was very, very big? Did you ever flirt with that? Did you ever fuck with VD? No. I mean, there's several ways to answer that. question, aren't there? I didn't have a von Dutch cap, I don't think, but I did want one. And they were big, in my

memory they were big around 2000. Yeah, I sort of get the sense that the coolest kids, the coolest guys, the skate boys, the trucker, trucker men, they all had von Dutch caps and I was like, I don't, I wouldn't even know where to find these fond Dutch caps. Did you know many trucker men in the 2000s, Pete? Yeah, I trucked a little bit. Yeah. As I said, you know, when I, when I, I got my little steering wheel

and I drove some fertilizers at Birmingham that was just me picking up a long a long, you know, deep love with the trucking lifestyle. Why don't I remember that? Yeah. I remember, but I, somebody said there's a steering wheel for my computer.

Like the video game side of my computer. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's make you very clear. Computers do not require steering wheels. If someone sells you one in the Halford's car park, your car does need a steering wheel, but your computer does not need a steering wheel. But yeah, I drove some...

I played Euro truck simulator too and drove some fertiliser at Birmingham and I had a bloody good time doing it, quite frankly. But yeah, I used to truck back in the day. Why did you choose fertilizer as a cargo? You don't get to choose. Do you think the bloc who's delivering much-needed migrants to the UK?

Do you think he gets to choose? He thinks he's delivering pineapples and, you know, bathroom sealant. and yeah, he doesn't get to choose any of that, does he? Speaking of bar from Sealand, by the way, I need to use some ceiling around the floors and skirting board in my living room because the snails keep getting in. The snails keep getting in.

How big are the holes that snails are getting in? I thought it's just a tiny snails, but it's just not a pest I ever considered. No, there was one that climbed up my wall a few weeks ago. We get a lot of snails in the garden, but they've yet to breach home base. That's amazing. Is your son absolutely delighted by that fat, though, because they delight snails and kids? Well, I think they can be quite toxic and dangerous to humans, right, particularly kids. Is that biopopopopter's slug in his mouth and died?

Yeah. Massive toxicity. Yeah. I mean, and nowadays, if you're in America, you pop the snail's food, lettuce in your mouth, and you shit yourself inside out with the old cyclosporiasis. A lot of people use, a lot of people use, snail mucous derived face cream, don't they? That's right, yes, big in career, I believe.

So how are you sort of choosing to get rid of these snails? Well, it's still very much a work in progress. Right. Because you've got cats, haven't you? So you can't put poison down. Yeah, that's the thing. The cats don't really know what to make of the snails. The cats don't know what to make of them.

So, like, you know, with mice or with, like, flies, they'll try and catch flies. They'll try and chase away bugs. but snails don't know what they're doing and so it's a bit of a new challenge for all of us really and I keep having to wipe away their trails from the fucking floorboards

the floors and the rug and so we're going to work it out so the best thing to do apparently is to seal up the gaps now the gaps aren't that big but the snails are pretty small so ultimately it's a challenge to be met it's a problem to be solved but the father and all the great LC's coming over on Friday and he loves a job

is he going to bring some American some American level sort of pesticides. He can't get the good stuff. He's going to put some predators in his pocket. I'm trying to what eat slugs. Monkeys? Monkeys eat snails, I think.

They have a good goat at the old centipede. Monkeys are anything, won't they? That's the thing. They love to get pissed as well. They do love to get pissed. I read a really interesting thing earlier about how it was a real deep dive

internet moment where, so sometimes I say things to give you a kind of insight into my terrible psyche. I woke up yesterday morning thinking, why haven't animals ever evolved green fur? Right. Right. So like a deal.

What do you mean? Oh, to blend into the grass. Or a predator to blend into the jungle. Yeah. Like a gilly suit. Like a little gilly suit. Right. Now, that doesn't happen, right?

Is it like the chlorophyll or something? Is it kind of like it's just a colour, it's exclusively unable to be created? It's yet another fascinating fact of evolution. So the reason tigers, and I drilled down to tigers for some reason, that's just where the internet took me, but the reason tigers haven't evolved green fur, because if you think about it, I was thinking they're orange and black, right? But green and black would surely be better for camouflage purposes when they're hunting.

Yeah, or at least sort of like a sort of, because like there's a lot of animals that are sort of straw-colored. I was going to say out of me and you, which kind of, I'm more straw-comic. Who's closest, you're closest to green, I would say. So you could probably get there, I think, with a bit of moss. Well, you are sometimes in the mornings after another one of those Chinese meals. Like an old, a secular Chinese meal.

Like the sloths, they get a bit of moss on them growing sometimes, don't they? They're got green. I didn't know that. But that's not natural. Okay, so basically the reason, so tigers do not, evolved green fur to hunt predators because they don't need to because their prey

which are obviously smaller you know mammals really don't have eyesight haven't evolved eyesight which can distinguish between orange and green of course so basically if you take away

the particular filter of a say a deer's eyes and look at it like a human's eyes orange and green the same. So if you basically look at a tiger against a jungle background as a human you can see it stands out but a deer can't see it, right?

And then I was thinking why haven't deer evolved to see it? Yeah, because the better ones I mean the way it would work would be like natural selection would say that you know, the ones that can see better would thrive more therefore the eyes that we keep getting better and the reason for that is even more fascinating the reason for that is because in

In the part of the world I was looking at, I forget which it is now, might be India somewhere, the deer have evolved to follow troops of monkeys around. Because the troops of monkeys do special calls when there's a tiger come in, and the deer can hear it. And so as long as they stay within like 25 metres of a troop of monkeys, they'll know when the tiger's coming because the monkeys tell them. Isn't that amazing? That's amazing.

That's like the parts of a complex jellyfish sort of living together as, you know, a few organisms connected to each other that mutually benefit each other by staying close. I just think it's what a fascinating thing. Well, I think we should be able to, if we are, if we've got these animals in captivity for whatever reason, studying them or ever, or helping them to. Or making a DVD about it, your case. Or making a CD-ROM about them, that's correct. Oh, CD-ROM, sorry. I think you should sort of, yeah. It's 580 megabytes, something like DVDs.

You're talking four gigs. I mean, come on. Yeah, DVD also makes it more recent. I would love that space. Yeah, doesn't it? Oh, you'd love that space for the movie you didn't make. I would love that space for that. I would love that space for that, man.

But I would say that, do you don't think that if we are taking these people out of, taking these animals out of captivity and releasing them into the wild, we should at least meet them halfway and give them contact lenses. Yeah. We should put little contact lenses on the animals so that they can distinguish predators easier. I agree. with that. I think we should take 200 deer, give a hundred of them contact lenses

and a hundred of them not contact lenses as a control. Orkley's. Okay, yeah, yeah, and see which ones. Daddy Orkley's. But they can have the little things that stick them to the head, the little kind of holders. Yeah, exactly. And then see how long they last, which ones last longer. Yeah. The contact lenses you have to take out of don't you?

And they've got hooves, so they wouldn't be able to do that. No, I think finding saline solution would be quite difficult around the I don't know where they live I don't know where this this strange animal that we're talking about

near the coast they could near the coast they could near the coast they could near the coast I guess oh speaking of that as well I saw a video the other day of a guy one of these types

who was like oh my grand used to do this every every week and he took a sauce pan and I guess he lived by the sea he took a saucepan went to the sea smashed it was on head

nah filled the sauce pan up with salt sea water boiled it on his stove until the salt was left. And it was like, there you go, free salt. And then this guy came on the comments and went, yeah, don't do that. I don't, yeah, don't do that.

You are probably seasoned your food with human shit. So don't do that. And a bit of salt. Yeah. I was sort of reading up on your favorite, on your favorite subject, Thameswater and stuff and how the half-privatized system in Wales is compared to the English version and the Scottish version. and the level of, I think, 14% of our rivers don't have shit in it.

And in Scotland, it's something like 63% because they're owned by the state, the Scottish state, if you will. And you're like, yeah, yeah, that sounds about right, didn't it? That does sound about right. I'm glad I've got a horse pipe ban. I can't even clean me dirty bin. I've got maggots in my bin. I can't clean my.

I'm going to have to use a kettle to murder all the maggots, which is more viscerally upsetting for me. I had a little rant at the Thames Water guy who called me the other day. Right. And I prefaced it by saying, I know it's not your fault. I know it's not your fault. And you could not know how deep my hatred of your company can go.

But you picked a rumored, I said, I didn't say that. But I did say, I know it's not your fault, but you called me. So I'm going to tell you how I feel. he said,

Mr. Morse, just a courtesy call to let you know that as of, you know, so-and-so date, you were not long

able to use your hose pipe. They're ringing everybody. They're ringing everybody. What a fucking waste. Yeah. I said, and he said, oh,

just let you know before we, before we continue this conversation, it is going to be recorded for training purposes. And I'm like, good, good. Good, yeah. Learned to hear that.

Because creative sexual, swear words. You will not be telling me what to do with my water until you do something about the 100 million litres of water you're losing a day through leaks and poor maintenance of the water system. I think you're a bunch. And I did use

one F word. I said you're a bunch of fucking robber barons and there's no way I'm doing anything you tell me. And if you want to send someone around, you can and I'll tell them as well. And he was like, okay, thanks very much for your call. Sorry, thanks very much for your time. He was basically very

much a kind of, I've got to do 50 a day of these. I can't be hanging around. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that left me quite dissatisfied because he didn't, he didn't, I felt like, hopefully. How dare you? What would be the perfect, like, reaction that you would have required from him? How dare you?

We do our best. Well, that's the problem with that. I have children. Yeah, I don't think it through, do I? So I don't know. I just, I just, I was always on send, not on receive. And it's my fault for being a dickhead. I almost said, come then.

All right, okay. All right. I'm picking the phone. Good afternoon, Mr. Moore. Just giving you a courtesy call because we're currently experiencing drought in your area and it just means that you won't be able to use your horse pipe

on your big new garden that you just bought. You've not said, it's not a very big garden actually. You've not said, so I'm not going to say this to you. This call is being recorded for training and purposes. Training and purposes. And purposes. What other purposes?

Training and other purposes. Marketing purposes. Are you wearing a barrel? Are you wearing a barrel? I'll pick up the call and say, my wife does majority of the gardening. She, you need to speak to her. Yeah.

But thank you for letting me know. I won't be doing anything you've said to me to do because I don't respect you as a company. And if that sounds a lot like Pete Donaldson. And if that's Pete Dantz, I don't respect you as an individual. either. Right, okay. Broadcaster? I respect you as a broadcaster. Do you know why? There's two reasons I respect you as a broadcaster. Do you want to hear them? Why? Why? Longivity.

Yeah, that's undeniable. That is undeniable. Who else? Not many get to, you know, this level. Well, not many get to this length. Yeah. Okay. And also, you will not be discouraged. So, indivaticability as well. You stick at it. Okay, fine. Sorry. I do respect you for those reasons of a broadcaster, yeah. Yeah, okay. But I'm not doing what you say because I don't respect Thameswater, and I don't respect you as an individual, and I know you've got to work,

I know you've got to get a job. What are you doing, singing? What do you what you tell me? Fuck you what. Do you do. Do you think Red Against the Machine could have had a better singer? I'm the Zach de La Rocha of West Norwood. I do not think that.

No, I think he's an absolutely outstanding fucking front man, amazingly charismatic. He's actually a pretty good rapper as well. He's on the Run the Jewels record. He does a fucking brilliant couple of verses on Centre in a Storm by Ronnie Sire's represent

on their record in the mode which is the follow up to new forms. He is fucking amazing on that. He does a verse in English and a verse in Spanish and it sounds amazing. Nice. Awesome. It's got one of my favourite lines

of any rapper in it, which is, I won't use the language because I'm not qualified to. So I'll do a little. replacement. He says... What word you're going to use to replace it? Thameswater.

I'll just say people instead of the end word. No, say Thameswater. Say Timswater instead of the end word, please. Okay, fine. Okay, I will. It's going to be hard, though, because it's too many syllables. It feels like a judgment call on Thameswater and by association an entire race. But I don't mean it like that.

It's just a fun little game. Fuck you. I don't do you tell me. It's too many syllables, but I'll try. Okay. he says he says superstitious Thames Water they get played like a tarot

my baseline matter will shatter your bone marrow it's a good line he's a good rapper I don't think they deserve a better frontman I think he's a perfect frontman for them and I think it's quite again one of your quite marginal takes

that Zach Dilla Rogers not a good front man or singer for fucking rage against the machine he's perfect you've been you've been hoisted by your potard my Thames Water because you have

you've said that he is going to shatter your, what is it, shatter your bone marrow? How can you shatter your bone marrow? Is it shatterable? It's quite greasy, isn't it? It's a greasy, sort of, it's like play-dow, isn't it? Maybe he's the foes at the bone marrow.

You'd shatter the bone marrow. I've got a mate. My mate, Razor, he is one of those people. Liverpool's underback? No, no, no, no, no. Razor, not Razor. Not Razor-Radock. Although I wouldn't be surprised

of Razorad does do this as well When you go for a meal of him Right, so you go KFC or Nando's He's one of those guys who takes Every single last bit of meat off the bone And he sucks the bone marrow Out of the chicken bones You're not getting much marrow out of the chicken bones, are you?

No No No For me that's disgusting How are you getting into the top? And I speak as somebody watched somebody demonstrating how to do a full knee

replacement. Very complicated. You've got to be very precise with the rods and the... Rick Ed was that one of those. Choping off of the top of them. Has he really? Absolute game changer, yeah. Apparently's amazing. Yeah, brilliant. But yeah, I guess he's quite tall, isn't he? That's going to... Oh, you're on knees. Oh, you're on some knees in your joint. They're bad. Do they scream?

Do you use feldine gel? Do you use the ibuprofen gel? The ibupier of this world? I don't. Should I use that, do you think? I think if you I always use a bit because that absolute tit went through the back of me

like this time last year and I basically had a year of being able to play football for about 25 minutes before you were wearing moxasins or bottomans but he just it's annoying because I'm shit of football

and it's like mate you didn't need to do that I wasn't going to do anything I was saying that I hope you said that the time yeah I was like I was like oh Christ that hurts and it just feels like

my so Pete if it's back in the day when I was playing on your team you know I could have got him before you couldn't I? You could, yeah, you could have hatcheted in him, but, you know, my team doesn't respect or like me. But, yeah.

So I get 25 minutes before it feels like the top of my ankle is kind of just opening up, and it's very uncomfortable. But if I have the, if I have the foresight to kind of rub, because it takes a while, the old I believe, the old ibuprofen gel to work. I've never used it. It takes, no, it takes, it takes like two or three sort of days to get to its full or a couple of days to get to its full kind of.

Does it really last that long? No, but I think it just takes a long time to absorb or something like that to get into where it needs to be. I thought you could just rub it on before a football match and you were sorted, but clearly not you've got to do it about a day in advance. That's weird. I have no idea about it. As long as you have the foresight.

I would have used deep heat. That's not got ibuprofen in it, is it? It's got nothing in it. It should distract you from the pain of the injury. The smell of deep heat, whenever I smell it, takes me back to change your room. when I was a young lad. Tiger bomb. You're a tiger bomb man.

I've got some next to my bed, but I've near cause to use it. My ex-girlfriend used to rub Tiger Bal when her temples all the time before sleep, probably because she was in a relationship with me. Trying to pop that vein back into her head. On the knee replacement, you were saying you watched a knee replacement. That sounds pretty interesting, actually.

Well, it was just kind of like the way that they sort of clamp the drill to the front of the tibia, and then they just sort of use a sort of like saw, one of those kind of not reciprocating. What would you call it? You call it like a, the thing that he used to cut plasterboard, a bone saw to sort of cut.

Literally this, what would you call it, an oscillating tool. I've got literally got one of the drill bits here. One of those sort of things. You see that? Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sort of fits on it, it.

It fits and stuff. And, yeah, they chop the top off, and then they just get all of things. fucking equipment into the, basically into the marrow and stuff. God knows how it takes. Tightenium, just a beautiful, beautiful thing. But it's just very complex. It just looks like it's, and they've really got a whack with a big hammer,

get it into the bone and stuff. It must absolutely eat. It's all kind of surgery like that. If you see it, it looks brutal. Have you ever seen the surgery? Baric. Well, they don't do it as much now because they've got other techniques. Remember we were talking about when you have like a stent put in your heart.

They go up your groin through your wrist. because obviously going through the ribcage. They don't crack open. They don't crack open your ribs. Man, have you seen them crack open a ribcase? Goodness me. I've tried to avoid that to be honest. Yeah, it's the sound of it.

Yeah. It's not, I was reading a really good book. Before I move on from these, the one thing, and this is not a sponsorship, red thing is not paying me to say this, this is authentically the case. The one thing that's actually really helped my joints has been taking those heights supplements.

it has made a massive difference. It just feels like with my sort of desperation with my ailments, I've gone into the sort of Chinese medicine kind of like airy-fairing It's not Chinese medicine, isn't it? It's all just silly nonsense, isn't it? A lot of it. If it was good, it would be real medicine.

So the supplements work then? I'm very, very surprised. Have you talked yourself into it? Someone just recommended them to me and my knees were quite painful. and so I thought oh I might as well I was taken

like I mean you know you get a couple of months free at the start or whatever and I've been taking them probably two months now and I genuinely have noticed a massive difference

and nothing else has really changed I haven't lost a much I've kind of my weight's kind of plateaued where it's comfortable I haven't really done anything else and it's made a huge difference I'd say one thing it might have helped

is the fact that I've got quite a good golf fitness now because you walk a lot playing golf up and down heels and stuff so maybe that's helped a bit you know, with the muscle, build it's a bit of muscle or something,

but it's made a huge difference. But anyway, I was going to say, I should reach out to heights, actually, see if they want to sponsor us because it was right on the demographic. I'll guarantee you,

loads of people will buy heights after I've just said that. Because I, because I, I've got, because, like, Sarah listens to a lot of, like, happy place and the,

is it Dr. Chowdry and some, those kind of things. It's, it's every now and again, like, there'll be somebody sort of selling some kind of, you know,

Everyone's obsessed for protein this year Everyone's just It was match a latte Isn't it Yeah but like protein Just seems to be this solution For everyone

It just seems to be the thing to I think you can have too much protein You can definitely That's what kills cats Eventually you know that Really what? Because they just eat too much Because they eat so much protein

The kidneys basically Just pack up If you eat too much protein It puts a lot of pressure on your kidneys I see That's interesting Well yeah I just think that

There's a lot of like Quack science in podcasts That's all I'm saying There's a lot of like silly bollocks nonsense that should really be, we should really be protected from a bit more, lest we go down the, you know, the info wall. Barlow that had Graham Hancock on the other day. I mean, proper jump to sharp stuff.

I find it very, when Graham Hancock, that's his name, when, you know like that grand platinum bloke in America, that great, great white hope for the Democrats, It took me the longest time I'll back off Yeah I like it Shall we ask around

No fuck it He's quite handsome My friend of mine My friend of mine works in US politics He calls me He calls me quite a lot Because he's old-fashioned In American

And he likes just talk on the phone And he lives in Washington And he was like I'm not to name him Because obviously I don't want to kind of get him in trouble But like He was saying

This platinum guy I mean He said it would have taken me a day to find all this stuff out a day he said they were paying research companies hundreds of thousands of dollars

to do this work ahead of time because it's a massively important race like the Susan Collins main race they didn't even find the fucking they didn't even find the fucking tattoo the old tweets that like what are you paying them for exactly

what value you get for that anyway carry on what value you go over that anyway I didn't realize his name was grim because Americans refuse to play by the rules. Have you heard of Americans say the word, have you heard of the Americans say the name Craig before? Craig.

Craig. They say Craig, Craig. Guys, come on. Craig, it's weird. We've all got a way of saying this and you can join us. But Graham Hancock. Hancock. Yeah.

So Stephen Bartlett had Graham Hancock. Do you know who Graham Hancock is? I don't think I do know. I'm sure he must have talked about him before. He's that guy. Well, I've clearly forgotten. Let's have a look. He's that guy who's got the Netflix series because he's,

his son is the head of Factor at Netflix. And he basically does a load of weird pseudo-archology and pseudo-history about... He's got where my hair's going to be. Yeah. He's got where my... I wouldn't say you look dissimilar. No.

Age, notwithstanding. But the... But Bartlett's on there with him. And he's like, oh, yeah. And there's a lot of serious evidence that, you know, an ancient kind of giant civilization built the fucking person. He's just making shit up.

And you know what Bartler's like, he's just like sitting there really thoughtful. going, yeah, yeah, that's actually really interesting. Is it interesting or just making shit up? You're presenting this as some kind of fucking factual thing. It's bullshit. Like on Rogan the other day, when that Geeseer, that ex-special Forces Geyser went on, who's obviously got some kind of mental health issue.

And I don't want to be disrespectful about that. But it does about 15 minutes on the fact that, like, the government are hushing up that there's giants in the Afghan mountains. And at no point is Joe Rogan going, okay, I mean, what evidence is there of that? Jerome's just going, wow, man. Whoa, what? Whoa. There's giants in the, in the Afgh.

But I think sometimes like, if you, but it's like Jesus, in it, like you can't disprove it. So you just go, oh, good. I mean, these giants in the Afghan men. I mean, it's about proving negatives to an extent, isn't it? But, but, but, yeah, with the Graham Hancock stuff specifically, loads and loads of. That seems unlikely. Yeah, loads and loads of archaeologists come out all the time and say, this is nonsense. Like, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's,

hunting. He's basically ignoring other counterfactual evidence. But those guys don't have a Netflix show. So no one fucking finds out about it, right? It's just presented as fact and everyone just gets on with it. It's truly a stupid world we live in. It's a cacistocratic world. But anyway, what I was going to say to you was, I'm reading this book at the moment, it's really good. It's really good. It's called The Dead and Those About to Die about to die about the American storming of Omaha Beach on D-Day. Okay, right, okay, yeah. And honestly, it is, I mean, the whole thing is just totally remarkable.

Like, so basically, they totally messed up the planning of it and the initial bombardment and the artillery and stuff to give the guys who storm the beach a chance. when they rocked up at the beach nothing had really changed like none of the machine gun positions have been taken out or anything the guys that went from the landing craft onto the beach

had 80 pounds of gear on right which is I mean which is just a ridiculous amount of gear and they had no plan to evacuate or treat any of the wounded that seems like that should be part of the planning

you know He planned it for ages and none of this basic stuff was covered. And what's even worse, right? Is they had done two amphibious landings before, I think in Sicily and somewhere else. So they had this experience of it. And it got to the point where the medics were having to carry the injured closer to the enemy to get to the bluffs rather than away from the enemy because there was no rear because the rear was the sea and none of the empty landing craft were ordered to take any of the wounded back. you sort of look at like the extraction of Maduro and stuff

and people get very excited about that sort of thing and obviously Donald Trump that inspired him to get involved in the shit show that is Iran but there have been like a lot of times like Omaha being's a very good example of like yeah they do get away with a lot just from scale don't they

just having a lot of people and a lot of stuff like pound for pound they probably lost a lot of people and they fucking needed to them 100% they did and you know what the other thing was at one point one of the generals who came in a few hours after zero hour or whatever,

he was like, and the communication was really tough because all the radio men just got taken out. There was a load of fog and haze because of the, you know, because of the weapons being used and stuff. The spread of blood. Yeah.

And one of the generals finally rocked up on the beach, he was like, wow, there's too much fucking stuff here. It's way too much stuff here. What's going on? And he ordered all the kind of, you know, the mechanical units and the, kind of vehicles and stuff to just be stopped. It just send more troops.

We need more troops. But people would just basically get stuck there. It's an amazing story. It's an amazing story of like bravery and sacrifice and just scale, the scale of it. I mean, if you look at, apparently, if you take into account all the beaches, not just Omaha, but Utah, gold, sword and juno, which obviously, you know, part American, part British, part Canadian, different code named beaches. the supporting

you know how many supporting ships there were for the fucking landings? There were 1,500 ships in the channel. Jeez. I was there enough water for crying out loud. I know. One of the accounts, one of the reports were like

when one of the soldiers, he wrote a memoir or whatever got on his ship in, I think it was in, it might have actually been Portsmouth but it was around there. He was like it looked like I could walk across the ships to France. Yeah, yeah.

That's wild, isn't it? I mean, like, you look at how many, I'm just looking at the Wikipedia for Omaha in particular, like the commanders, there's like five American commanders to one. I realize it's a, you know, land does help when it comes to defending, but Dieter Christ is the solo commander leader of the force that was sent to that beach on that day. It's a crazy story. So the book is called The Dead and Those About to Die. It's a definitive history of the land. It's at Omaha Beach specifically. Amazing tales of Braver.

stuff as well. Like people just, you know, doing amazing things under such courage under fire, you know, really, particularly the medics. I mean, the medics obviously, they've got big white and red crosses paint on their helmets. Can't do that these days. And they're not supposed to be shot at. But obviously you've got some frightened out of his mind, 20-year-old Polish conscript on the machine gun. It was just fucking like empty in his clip.

Blasting away. Yeah. Because he's obviously terrified as well. And it's like, what the fuck is this? Did people kind of, were the more well-trained soldiers? Would they be observant of that particular rule at a time? I mean, they're supposed to be. I think probably like a lot of military plans,

it doesn't really survive the first contact with reality. Ultimately, ultimately, the medics are supposed to be able to do their work unimpinged and they're supposed to be able to carry wounded back to the rear. Obviously, in this case, there was no rear. But, you know, you've got to look at the fact that, So what happens when a load of the troops get up, the bluffs, up the exits towards the fucking inland bit? Well, it's all mined. So, you know, they're trying to carve out paths under fire through these minefields,

and people are getting blown up, you know, and then the medics have got to go over there. I mean, obviously, a mine is indiscriminate. It's not going to give a shit, is it? So, I mean, they don't have guns, right? So it's like they can't defend themselves either. So it's amazing. There's some really interesting stories, like, inspiring stories. stories of like essentially conscientious objectors in second war and Vietnam who agree to be medics

because I don't want to fight and yeah a lot of them win awards for bravery and stuff like that it's there's a slightly different though there's a really interesting bit in um might be michael hearse dispatches which is one of the best one of the best books about the vietnam war where he goes in country and he's you know with these like troops and patrols and stuff and um the guys who are quite hardened to war, they think of him as just being insane. They're like, what are you doing out here? Like a pen and a notebook?

Like, what are you doing? Like, do you want a gun? And he's like, no, I don't have a gun or journalist. They're like, you don't want a gun. I'm a gun. It's a fascinating story anyway. The whole thing, I've gone on a bit of a deep dive on it. And that book in particular has been amazing.

The detail he's able to get. I mean, that's proper history, by the way. have you listed in Graham Hancock, like actual history, where you don't fucking just decide that you'd quite like giants to exist, so you go and find evidence to support it, but it doesn't, it's not there.

Could have done with a few giants, one would suggest. Would it help them? Would it help them? Would it help them? It definitely helped the, the Starks at Winterfell when they were fighting against the army,

the dead. Exactly. You can't argue with that. You can't argue with that particular performance, one would suggest. All right, then, let's go out of it. That's our book of the week. What's the name of it again?

The dead and those about to die. Basically because the reason it's called that is because the generally finally turned up. I think it was either General Tader or General Huberner turned up and he said there are only two types of people on this beach that dead and those about to die. Get off this beach. Do not stop.

Keep moving. Get off this beach. It's like my mom said to me in about 4pm during the summer when I was a kid. Get off that beach. Get off this beach. You are already burnt to a crisp. All right then. We'll be back with more looking, Peach, your fun, on Monday.

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