The Luke and Pete Show - Banyan trees, forged art and the metaverse

Episode Date: May 16, 2022

A photo has emerged where Luke and Pete look like Tony and A.J Soprano. The problem? We can’t decide which one is which.Elsewhere, we take an unexpected deep dive into the problems of modern society and reach a worrying proposition: will life actually be better in the Metaverse?Want to contact the show? Email: [e-mail] or you can get in touch on Twitter or Instagram: @lukeandpeteshow. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, it's the Luke and Pete show. How you doing? It's Monday, the 16th of May. Luke Moore is joining me. How the devil are you, sir? Very well, thank you. Got some pretty sweet beans over this side of the fence. Yeah.

I imagine my side of the fence is beautiful and creosoted and and dry and and quite well uh put together your side just wall-to-wall smashed up beans maybe oh it's big time big time i was gonna say i'm it'd be interesting to know what you've got planned for this week because you know we're introducing ourselves to the to our listeners on a monday but before we do that you're going to bring a fence chat in then i'm going to jump straight on board and say the most recent fence action i've seen right is when i cut the big bay tree down in the back garden had to keep jumping over the fence to go into the next door neighbor's garden to clear up all the

mess before they found out oh so you didn't you didn't pre-warn them that you were going to be jumping into their garden how nice the fence, I don't think I really properly appreciate how much debris, how much like bay tree flotsam and jetsam would fall over to their side.

But luckily, they were all out so it didn't matter. I just started to clear up after myself. At what point do you draw the line? Do you clear up

after yourself or do you not trespass? What's the worst? Yeah what would they what would i prefer less trespass or more tree because i'm thinking when you say bear tree i think of uh banyan tree which are those massive fucking things that that have roots that grow for the banyan tree they have roots growing out of their out of the ends of their branches, and they go down to the ground and they suck up water like that. I think that's a banyan tree.

Yeah, it is, yeah. They look amazing. But they're kind of like... They don't just have roots that are at the trunk. They have roots that are in the branches as well. It's amazing. And also, it was a level in the popular Spectrum Amstrad Commodore 64 game, Jet Set Willy, the banyan tree. Yes, I remember Jet Set Willy in a big way.

I feel like it might be a video game we've talked about quite a lot before because we're both of the age. I didn't have that platform. No. I had a BBC Micro. Before that, I had an Acorn Electron. Yeah. So I never had the Spectrum.

But I remember Jet Set would have been a big favourite of my friends. So I would go around my mate's house and play it. I don't remember a banyan tree in it though, although I do like a banyan tree

generally speaking as a tree. I think they're magnificent creatures to be quite fair. I can't remember where I was when I actually saw one. I was like, that's a banyan tree.

But I don't really know where they go. Africa? Maybe I was in Africa. I don't know. It's a fairly safe bet. Luke But I don't really know where they go. Africa? Maybe I was in Africa. I don't know. It's a fairly safe bet. Look, I'm just reading about this. A big news story.

You and me, we're both fashionistas. There's not a single day that goes by where we're not, you know, buying stuff off Pret-a-Porter. You broke the internet with your dog shirt the other day. I know. We had a little photo shoot, didn't we? Me, you and Kate? And yeah, I thought we looked,

somebody said we looked like Carmela, Tony Soprano and his son. Yeah, I love that. We are so true. I've obviously got the big heft these days. You've definitely got the kind of problem child look about you for sure. Oh, I thought I was Tony Soprano. No, what are you talking about? Because I had like a kind of an Arthur Daly sort of like lining on my jacket. I thought i was tony soprano because i had like a kind of uh an arthur

daly sort of like lining on my jacket i thought i was like the boss ah nuts it's all about perspectives isn't it you are a hundred percent the problem child art art is you know it's different for different people you are a hundred percent coming to me and asking me if you can have a drum kit for your birthday oh you got one mate i mate. Aldi bought one. Aldi bought one. Yeah, this new story about you know you buy all your clothes online and obviously when they don't, because you can't sort of walk into shops

anymore and try clothes on to see if they fit or look good. And so you have to send stuff back. Zara have basically stopped offering customers free returns by post. So there's a lot of other chains also going to be introducing charges, which I think, do you think like, you know, this was supposed to be the big high street sort of revolution and stuff.

Like, you know, it was going to be so much easier. They send you a lot of stuff. You put on the stuff you like and keep the stuff you like. Yeah, so keep part of it. Send back stuff and keep part of it. And they're sort of saying like, oh, it's because of rising labor costs and rocketing energy prices and high trust. Like that is,

are people forgetting what a business is? Like you have to live within your means. You can't live within your means that you did like in the fucking 50s. You've got to live between your means. And if you're not managing, then don't pass on the shit to the customers. I totally agree.

I just think service is getting worse. You know, we're paying more for everything. And companies are sort of going, well, you know, oh, we have to pass it on to someone. Pass it on to your shareholders. Pass it on for some guys. It's just how much business it's costing. A big part of the online shopping experience for me is absolutely buying a load

of stuff online getting it delivered to my house putting on the stuff and that i like and that fits and then crucially not sending the other stuff back because i'll never get around to it and then getting heavily told off by my wife so it won't affect me although it should yeah i totally agree with this i i often find myself thinking this when I'm watching the news and I see business reports about this, that, and the other, normally about energy prices and say, oh, well, you know, increasing costs. Well, I'm sorry, it's tough fucking shit, right?

You can't build in to your business model a huge payout for your shareholders and a massive wage hike for your CEO and go, well, you know, there's costs that need to be made be made here you know savings need to be made it's absolute nonsense totally we run a business you know we don't do it alone we have people to help us and people who know much more about that side of the business than we do but we're continually told we can't afford to do this we can't afford to do that because that's part of what running a business is so you know the worst thing about it pete, Pete, and what you've kind of alluded to there

is the fact that all these high street people will start doing it. So it won't even be a case where you can say, well, I'm not going to shop at Zara anymore because of that reason. There's a little fucking price fix. Even though it's illegal, it won't officially be investigated,

et cetera, et cetera. And that'll be that. I think that sometimes I know I'm old and people will roll their eyes but I sometimes wonder if everything is getting a bit shit

not this show this show's got better I think you're right if you ask me the listenership has gone up maybe it's indicative of a wider problem

the listenership's gone up I need to find some people who are fucking much worse than me to listen to to make myself feel better. But I would say this,

Pete, I would say that, um, you know, I've noticed this in quite a lot of areas of life at the moment, particularly living in or around London. And that is the correct use of in and around because it actually makes sense. Yeah.

It is impossible to drive anywhere now within an hour of London without it taking forever. Right, yeah. There's two journeys I regularly do, right? One is to my sisters and one is to my parents. There's actually a third one sometimes up to my wife's uni

and they're all about two hours around London. The journey time has gone up 30%, 40%. Okay. The roads are fucking shit. Every single motorway is being narrowed to make way for something called smart motorways,

which is coming at some point in 2028 or something, which I have no idea what it is. It's not been explained. And every single road in London's got a pothole the size of your head in it. My head or your head? Not my head. That's too far. That will come, but not quite yet. That's technically a pothole the size of your head in it. My head or your head? Not my head, that's too far. That will come, but not quite yet.

That's technically a sinkhole. That's a landslide. That's a landslide if you're in. That's an event. That's an event that needs to be studied. I'm very cute, but I don't know what roads were like before I started driving,

because I started driving last September. So I drove my partner to the airport on last, God, when was it? It's Tuesday evening, and drove back Tuesday evening. So I'm sort of very conscious about driving into London is always a nightmare, unless it's after 7pm. So they're the only times that I sort of try and make that particular journey. What I wasn't expecting when I got to Heathrow

was fucking, I'm dropping her off. I'm literally pushing her out the car, sending her on her way. I've got to pay £5 for that. Like, £5 to drop someone off at the airport. It used to be free, but it's not now. And then I forgot to pay it. Luke, I'm in a real funk at the moment.

I've got, I don't know what, you know I'm bad at admin. You know I'm terrible at that sort of thing. I was waxing and erring about how in my, you know, seven months of driving, I'm yet to have a parking ticket. And then, as if by magic, I got three in one week. And, mate, can I just also say, one of them is from when you tried to do a handbrake turn in the office car park. Yes.

And then you were so excited about it, you forgot to pay for parking. Yeah. I was so proud because you sent me a picture of the evidence that the parking company sent you. And I was in the picture. You were in the picture. And they blanked your face out. And I thought I was having the last laugh. And no joke, I had a little chuckle about that when you sent me that on the way home so for those listening pete got a parking ticket they

sent him a photo for proof uh whatever the cost is 40 quid or whatever i was in the photo like laughing at him but my face blacked out like i was in the sas i was delighted right i literally got home and got a 37 pound 50 charge for not paying the dark charge. Oh, no! That sucks! So I'm in the same boat. Absolutely hapless boat. Oh, never mind. Yeah, but the dark charge is a different thing, isn't it? What were you up to for? Ah, just general misdemeanours. I was, uh, I had

ordered parking in the borough of Lambeth, and they, and it ran out, and literally a quarter of an hour later, they managed to get me. I was like, wow! At, like, 9am in a bay under a tunnel in Lambeth, near the American embassy. What were you doing there? Incredible stuff.

I don't think you should be saying under a tunnel near the American embassy. And they caught me. I was just dropping off some gas canisters. Don't worry about it. Do you remember, have we told our listeners the story about you and I and the American embassy? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, we just went listeners the story of you and I on the American Embassy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, we just

went to the American Embassy. What was the story? What is the story, Luke? That girl who used to go out of Brooklyn Beckham kept staring at me. That never happened. It did happen. You said at the time it happened. You agreed with me. She wasn't looking at you, though. But yes, it was the last she used to go out of Brooklyn Beckham, and

Luke said that she kept on looking at him. She did. You even agreed at the time. All right, okay, fine, okay. A model looked at Luke. A model looked at Luke, everyone at the American Embassy. Models outside of a photographer's studio are quite odd-looking, aren't they? I think that's the point.

Aren't they supposed to be like a blank canvas type thing? Yeah, but I mean, you'd think you'd sort of go i'm not a blank canvas i am a chubby hairy canvas someone's painted someone's painted over you you're like a fresco and then they painted oil painting over the top of this canvas i'm like one of those uh masterpiece paintings they find but someone's painted like a tony hart thing over the top of it did you see that um do you remember that woman who no it wasn't it was a woman and a man uh they were famous art forgers and stuff and you know this this guy was a really uh i think she did the business and he was the artist uh and they basically uh painted these incredibly uh convincing fakes i cannot remember what artist it was but they certainly had um interest in the millions

of dollars uh in their paintings uh and pretending to be someone else and he this guy right he he got all of the materials hand stretched the canvases as you would do back in the day made sure the wood in the canvases was the right wood made sure every fiber was not out of place and every material used could have been plausibly used 100 or 200 years ago. But he bought, like, one particular kind of paint that he had assurances did not contain a particular alloy. And they tested it

and it was one colour out of 50 colours he used. And they managed to sort of figure out that, no, this could not have been painted 200 years ago because it didn't have some kind of fucking gallium in it or something, whatever the fuck it was. And imagine how annoyed you would be if you had meticulously,

because you didn't create your own paints and you had to trust the way it had been put together, and just one little fucking molecule out of space, he got arrested for fraud for fraud incredible yeah i also read it's a fascinating area of interest that because i read i remember reading a while ago there was a chinese guy quite an old fellow actually maybe in his 70s who was i think seen and recognized as one of the world's greatest art forgers in history. Right. But he was incredible. I think he might have been the official artist for the leader of China back in the day.

Okay. But he got busted because he did a deal with a couple of, I think, Spanish-based brokers. Yeah. And by the time he got caught, he was back in China. So what he had done is,

I think he was a Chinese citizen. He had done some official artwork for the Chinese Communist Party or whatever. He was a particularly amazing artist. And then he moved to New York City and did all these forgeries. By the time he got caught out, he was back in China and China refused to hand him over. So we'll never face justice. But they were saying that his work was so good,

there's almost like a philosophical question mark about whether the art should actually be valued as a really amazing achievement. Because he would be forging Jackson Pollock one year, Mark Rothko next year, and then doing some kind of Rembrandt the year after. It was properly different art you know it was it wasn't like he didn't he wasn't like uh spells his impressions on the ramble like he didn't have like a few he could do he could always defend

spells his impressions in the ramble chiefly because i do admire the fact that he goes away and works on them so right you say to him he'll sit with you and go i've been doing work on this impression what do you think and he'll do it and if you say it's not very, he'll sit with you and go, I've been working on this impression, what do you think? And he'll do it. And if you say it's not very good, he'll go away and he'll work on it and come back. So I respect the craft. Yeah, but when we tell him not to do Nelson Mandela, he keeps doing Nelson Mandela. But he would admit it's a narrow band that he can work with.

But all I'm saying is this guy, I wonder philosophically whether there is real merit in being that good. What do you mean? It's almost like you're amazing, but you've chosen darkness. It's almost like being a supervillain, right? You've got this superpower. You know what it's like. You're quite a good artist when compared to me.

But you see genuine, you're in the presence of genuine talent. It's quite a cool thing, isn't it? And this guy's chosen just to be, yeah, what I'm going to do is I'm a brilliant painter, but what I've chosen to do for no reason, really, is just to fuck everyone up. Yeah, but it's like, no one was interested. Presumably, no, he didn't start out like that.

He probably started out like Hitler. You know, do your own paintings. Nobody liked them. Let's invade Poland. No, he started out as like Chairman Mao's official painter. Yeah, yeah, okay, fair, fair. Isn't it, I think George W. Bush is a very dedicated artist now, isn't he? Like a very committed artist.

I don't know if his work is worth it, if any merit. I'm not an art critic, but he's definitely someone who's really into his art. It's quite playful. Doesn't he do a lot of drawings of dogs? I want to say he does a lot of drawings of dogs. It's not, yeah, it's quite playful. It's surprisingly playful for a man who should have a, who I guess is being reassessed by every ticking second

when it comes to world leaders. That always happens, doesn't it, with older world leaders? People, they tend to be looked at in a much more pleasant light. But also it's probably down to a little bit of nostalgia as well so i go oh the world is shit i mean the world's always been shit and the generation before you know helen hanker it'll be fine yeah because actually it's a really i think it's a really interesting area of um of like public discourse i think there is a word for it i can't remember what it is though so i mean you have to take my word for it but you know the idea that human beings always think the world's getting worse when by every measure it's actually getting better so yes you're in the safest

healthiest most technologically advanced obviously generation that you've ever that has ever been but people automatically have a have almost like a default setting when they think everything's shitter but it's just it's just by any measure, any objective measure, it's not. And it's easy for us to say in the West, of course, but I mean, generally speaking. But the idea of George W. Bush is an interesting one because I'm not obviously making excuses for anything, any bad stuff that's happened under his watch,

the Iraq war and all the rest of it. But what's quite interesting, I think, about American presidents generally is most of them tend to have a kind of folksy charm right yes like so you can make like obama had like a common touch biden's biden's got a full strength isn't it the problem with biden is he's come along like 30 years too late because he just seems so old but But yeah, I take your point. But with George W. Bush, even if you're not of the political persuasion that he represents,

which is obviously totally understandable, to Americans, particularly in the South, he is seen as an embodiment of that kind of Southern hospitality, very friendly, very kind of charming, glint in your eye kind of guy, good old good time guy, you know? And that's partly what stood him in a lot of good stead.

Now, of course, the extreme opposite to that is Donald Trump, right? Who's completely out of touch with reality in many different ways. But even though they ostensibly represent the same party, I mean, George W. Bush got absolutely no time for Donald Trump, do you know what I mean? They dislike each other intensely.

So quite interesting. Anyway, should we have a quick break? Let's hit the brick and then come back with some emails. Do you reckon a sponsor would like us to, you to try and forge some art? See if we can pass it off as a special. What, if we were sponsored by

like an auction house or something? Imagine that. I mean, that would be... That would be incredible. I don't think we could write the copy for that. This is going to cost you money and trash your reputation internationally. Would you like to do it?

You would. Excellent. All right, let's have a break. When we come back, we'll try and get to an email or two, but we'll probably just carry on chatting shit, let's be honest. Yeah.

We're back with the Luke and Pete show. If you'd like to get in touch with the show, and by the show, I mean two men in a room, it's us. Hello at LukeandPeteShow.com is the email address. Hey, I'm too cool for school. I don't use email anymore. I live in the future in the metaverse. Well, drop us a tweet for fuck's sake.

We're still listening. It's Luke and Pete Show on Twitter or Instagram, probably. Can I read that tweet out about the metaverse that I sent to you that really made you laugh okay yeah do you remember it yes I do can you feel for like 30 seconds

while I just get it off my phone I certainly can well why don't I do a little email that'll be longer than 30 seconds won't it I'll take it

alright well what I'll do is while you're doing that I'll pop onto Facebook I saw a wonderful fucking hell are you being serious I they were on marketplace there was a lovely to Facebook. I saw a wonderful G3. So this is about the matter. Are you being serious? I,

they were on Marketplace. There was a lovely Apple iMac G3, you know, those big fucking tellies, those big monitors that were kind of like, kind of purple and colourful.

All right, I'm ready now. We'll never know what happened. Go on, Luke. No, you carry on. I'll do it after. No, sorry. Well, she was selling it for 75 quid

and I looked at it and I was like, oh, that looks nice. That looks really nice. And I'm really interested in the item. I said, will you do 50? And now I'm regretting doing 50 because that'll go really quickly. Someone will already have it.

Why did I do that? My friend, Steve Grant, shout out, Steve. Big Southampton fan, but we're still pals because that's how much of a good guy I am in real life. Yeah. He was trying to sell a fucking brand new

top-of-the-range iMac that he didn't have room for anymore because he had to move house. He was like, listen, mate, I've got to get rid of this. You know, I promise you it's kosher, it's great. And I trust him completely. I was like, fantastic. I said, right, I'm interested.

And I had about a 45- minute strong disagreement with the wi-fi i have access to about whether we have any room to put it in the flat or not yeah and then we collectively decided that we didn't so i had to say no oh no that's hard isn't it i did the politics of reaching out and doing and helping someone out and you know doing the solid for someone and then sort of realizing what's going to mean for your home life it's actually it's well i retweeted it for him and he sold it straight away so i've helped out a bit all right shall i up my bid to 75 yeah do it yeah i'm gonna do it up your bid to like to the point where they can't refuse it spend all your money are you thinking about it i could probably do i could probably do 75 shall i say 70 so it's a bit cheekier can i ask you a quick

question yeah if you've got a mac because a laptop and you've got an iMac at home can you sync them so they are exactly the same say again so it's a great example i'm at work now and i've got the laptop open and i get home and i want to do some work yeah rather than get the laptop open can i open the iMac start it up and it'd be exactly the same as what's on the laptop and i can i sync them basically there's probably some way of doing it but um if i know i feel like that should be a usp it'll be a pain pain in the fucking ass yeah no i completely agree and and that but that's kind of what your you know your google docs and your and your and your drop boxes are for isn't it so you could probably just sync a folder and everything's just kind of there and

you just open it up and yeah Yeah, that's what I want. Yeah. Well, I don't want that because I haven't got it because I didn't buy it. If I did, that's what I would want. But just use Dropbox then. Okay.

I don't know. So this is this tweet that really made me laugh about the metaverse because you just reminded me of it and someone's just tweeted, I'm in the metaverse Walmart

with your granddad and I'm straight up beating the fuck out of him. I'm dressed up like Kermit the Frog and I've got him in a headlock and he doesn't know what's happening of him. I'm dressed up like Kermit the Frog and I've got him in a headlock and he doesn't know what's happening to him.

John Wick is here too. John Wick is here too. And if that's the metaverse, I'm in. Absolute fucking coup de grace at the end of it. But all of these images of the metaverse, have we spoken about this before? The metaverse is supposed to be this decentralized kind of taking the power back at new kind of internet.

And the only kind of examples that we've got of the metaverse are owned by Facebook. So none of them are decentralized. None of them are a true metaverse, et cetera, et cetera. And so like,

and every kind of like depiction of the metaverse from these big companies look like, do you remember, did you ever have remember PS3? Yeah. There was a little...

It wasn't even a game. It was like a social network, a sort of virtual reality social network called Home. PS Home, I think they called it. Yeah, I remember it, yeah. And you would sort of wander around. Maybe you'd get a game of bowling going or something, or you'd chat to people in these houses, and you'd get a game of bowling going going or something or you'd or you'd chat

to people in in like these houses and you'd build houses and stuff and it's just all kind of like that and and the metaverse just looks like that i'm seeing nothing more advanced than what we saw 10 15 years ago i really do i really want to say that i think it looks crap but i'm worried that young people will laugh at me. I've just seen nothing. And the main entry point, the main difference this time around, is VR. Now, you know, I get motion sickness. I can't use VR. Certainly the last time I tried it. I like watching videos of old people using VR and falling over in the garden.

Absolutely crack their heads through a plasma screen. I'll never get tired of that. Go for a real jump. What did you think this... Ronnie O'Sullivan going through a table. I'll never get tired of it. I'll never get tired of it. It's just like, what did you think this Ronnie O'Sullivan gone through a table I'll never get tired of it I'll never get tired of it it's just like what do you think this is

basically for people who want to know what our whatsapp chats like me and Pete it's basically this kind of stuff but also us sharing photos

screenshot photos of Jordan Peterson in funny poses oh god that man why do you cry so much these days I don't mind.

Is he too much meat? I've got no problem with anyone crying and showing their emotions. I think it's a really important thing. And I think it's something that, you know, patriarchal society has ruined for half, you know, literally half the population. I think that's a shame. But I don't think that... I don't personally believe that if you are someone who's an expert speaker on a panel, you should cry every time you do one.

It's not in the job description, really, is it? I mean, it shows you're emotional about it, but that seems to be all you're showing at the moment. It's, he's, there's no two is about it. He's a fucking awful chap. I get served off a load of his videos, what does that

say about me? Well, we're just in the right, we're men of advancing years. But I think

the algorithms are really lazy. middle class men. Yeah, well, yeah, they are, but also,

I think, but I will always, if somebody, if there's a clip of John Peterson crying,

or even like John Peterson awning fucking the woman on Channel 4, like, I'll click on it and I'll watch it. Yeah, that was always served up.

And it's just, because it is fascinating. You're going, right, has he actually owned them? Or is he just, is he just talking? I think people say pwned now, mate. Pwned. They probably do a pwned him. I just, that kind of, I just thought, has he actually, and so like, he's a fascinating creature

because he's enabled so many thick racist people to say thick racist stuff because they point to this fella as being, well, he's the clever bloke, isn't he? He's the clever bloke who knows what he's talking about. He agrees with me. That's not my beef. My beef isn't with that.

My beef is that I get sent these videos like that that seem to either through the username of the account sharing them and of the subtitles they put on it and the comments, the text they put underneath that seems to imply that if you follow what he's saying and do what he's saying, you will also become wealthy and successful.

And that kills me. That's a neg because I always tell myself that I am wealthy and successful and to get the constant reminder that i'm not already and if i if i just act a bit like more like jordan peterson i will uh i will become more wealthy and successful it's upsetting and then you know i go down the street to work and i go into the office and I get passionate about a second and I start crying and everyone wants to go home everyone wants to go home

so what gives look you have a real deep love for great productions you know I don't know I don't know how to do it the way that

I'm all about the stories I'm all about the human human stories mate the human interaction the bloke but the bloke himself he he has fallen to bits

because he Ollie eats his steak and Ollie eats his beef and he doesn't eat anything else. And he looks sweaty. His eyebrows have gone crazy, by the way. His eyebrows have gone crazy. He looks unwell. He keeps crying. It's all that valium they put in the cows, isn't it?

It's all those kind of additives they give the cows to calm the fuck down and also um it's kind of a fascinating thing because i wonder this is more of a broad point and i'll be interested to know your take on this luke's broad point i um yeah i wonder actually if quite a lot of people who are firmly in the public eye now are actually quite unstable yes like i'm not qualified to assess people mentally you know mentally or anything like that and i don't think anyone is unless you know you clinically work with them but but to me it feels like a trend that's been kind of gathering pace for some time now, you don't need to think very hard to find just in the last,

you know, since the turn of the year, really high profile people who are clearly exhibiting unstable behaviour in the public eye to quite a big way, to quite a big extent. You know, Kanye West, Will Smith, Jordan Peterson. There's loads of them. And I wonder whether we're starting to come to terms with,

this is the first kind of sortie in the idea that we're coming to terms with the fact that it's not a healthy thing to be so publicly well-known. But I think, do you not think, yeah, and plenty of celebrities have fallen foul of that in the past, but they perhaps didn't have as many avenues to exhibit such bizarre behaviour. And I think, but do you not think that like, you know, I'm going to call him a thinker. He's

clearly an intelligent bloke. He's clearly written some stuff and he's clearly, but he's clearly, in my opinion, definitely a good God, definitely on the wrong side of history. A man like that would usually, you know, work for a university or whatever, and he'd write papers and he'd do that. And then that paper would be discussed, he'd have speaking appointments, he'd go to universities, he'd go to maybe perhaps on television, perhaps, you know, to speak about his chosen subject. Nowadays though, you have to produce so much fucking content, and you always have to be on, and you always have to be reacting online, you always have to be tweeting, you always have to be Instagramming, you always have to be on and you always have to be reacting online you always have to be tweeting you always have to be instagram you always have to be out there doing your thing and representing a particular

line on something you never have the chance to just calm the fuck down and uh and and come up with a proper well-fought out opinion anymore so you're just this scattergun fucking blunderbuss firing pellets all over the place every in addition to that pete also it's the fact that if you look at Peterson's story specifically, he's a psychologist, right? And his specialism is the psychological markers and behaviours around alcoholism, right? That's his specific expertise, right?

And of course, if you're an academic that rises to near the top of your profession, you kind of specialise and get more and more narrow. That's essentially how it generally works, as far as i know and but what happened was with him he came up with some stuff where he got involved in a a particular aspect of canadian law which was passed i believe around the use of pronouns where his argument was look i i think i'm pretty sure and i don't want to mischaracterize the guy i I don't really want to kind of defend him either. I'm just trying to be objective if I can.

His argument was, I will use the pronouns of the personality that people exhibit, and I'm happy to do that, but I don't believe it should be government mandated. It shouldn't be passing a law around language, right? That was his big thing. And then what happened was,

the alt-right jumped on that and kind of used him as their core celeb, saying he was being, you know, all this this was happening and then he really lent into that and then of course what came off the back of it is exactly what you're talking about where and this happens all the time with public quote intellectuals where they say oh i'm really clever on that particular thing so therefore everything i say about everything is valid the amount of people that do it is unbelievable dawkins has done it russell brand's done it. The amount of people that do it is unbelievable. Dawkins has done it. Russell Brand's done it.

There's loads of people that do it. They just massively extrapolate and broaden themselves out under their own mandate. And people who aren't that clever then go, oh, I'm not very clever. And that is my idea of a clever person. So I'm going to defend everything they fucking say. That's basically what happens. And it becomes a cult, doesn't it? It becomes a cult effectively.

Hugely. It just becomes another battle in the culture war where, you know, which side are you on, which side are you not on. It's all just complete bullshit. It's total bullshit.

Well, we didn't do any emails, but I think we had a lovely conversation about... I did a tweet about the metaverse. You did? That counts. We'll be back on Thursday. It's a Monday, isn't it? Yeah. We'll be back on Thursday.

It's a Monday, isn't it? Yeah, we'll be back on Thursday. We're back with Browns and Stuff. Just fucking enjoy my takedown of Jordan Peterson, if you want. Exactly. I enjoyed it immensely. Eat your meat. I like eating meat.

And that's the thing. Maybe we could do this on Thursday. I love animals and I hate cruelty to them, but I also like eating meat. And it's the biggest cause of kind of cognitive dissonance in my life. And it's actually quite annoying. Completely annoying. Because I don't think I'd be able to survive if also like eating meat and it's the biggest cause of kind of cognitive dissonance in my life and it's actually quite annoying completely annoying because i don't think i'd be able to survive if i stopped eating meat yeah exactly the most we can do is hope for the animals to be treated with as much respect as possible all right then well what a lovely way to end normally normally that that type of chat when we do it which is all the time goes into that talk

talk about that german guy who tried to cannibalise someone. Yeah, but I mean... Tried up his penis. Tried up his penis and a bit of garlic and butter. It was relatively consensual. Weirdly. Weirdly. I mean, you're right, but that's weird. Weirdly consensual. Alright, we'll be back

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If you've enjoyed your time in the metaverse I think the first few times would be great. It's just like is this where we are now? Got these fucking helmets on our head

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