The Luke and Pete Show - Boybands, banishment and bangers

Episode Date: November 25, 2024

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Peloton. Visit Peloton at OnePeloton.ca. It's the Luke and Pete show, it is a Monday the 25th of November hurling along in it, it's gonna be Christmas soon in it, it's gonna be Christmas. I drove through the fancy streets of London at the weekend, returned to the scene of my table smashing crime in the Palladium and when we did the football angle show. It was an absolute radio comedy charity night I think. I'd like to go welcome there, did you go with Nelson the dog? What absolute radio? No, it's not really there, it's just stand-ups isn't it? Who talking about?

Yeah but you don't work there anymore, stay away. Well my partner does, so I'm just shuffling around here aren't I? I'm you know, but you don't work there anymore stay away I'm gonna say I don't work there anymore. I'm not good. I'm not gonna go you you know charity night for crying out loud But I just don't know if anyone wants to see you there Palladium are you fucking hi did yeah? Had a lovely time. Where's your park the Q Park in a Cavendish Square. And you pay congestion? I always pay congestion. You were one of those Maynecks, whenever I'm going through central London I'm thinking who is driving down fucking Whitehall and it's you.

We did drive down Whitehall. We drove right through that little parky bit. It was lovely. Absolutely lovely. In the century people thought it was a local dignitary. Some corrupt dictator driving down Whitehall. driving a car from the 70s. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah a taxi driver didn't shout through my window Just at the latest asking me questions about the car. I was like and he's like Do you have do you have like? Do you have like normal and it got to the point where he sort of ran out of questions and he was like Do you have like normal seats or is it like like like a sort of, like an all in one seat?

And I was going, they only start making these in 2017. It's not like from the sixties. Yeah. But clearly that's what he thought. I think he told me before a few months ago that the partner you have access to doesn't like it when these certain types of men just always ask you questions about your car.

Yeah, she'll roll out the window and just pretend she hasn't heard it. That's the only appropriate response in my view. So you drove into central London and parked outside the Palladium, left the engine running and ran into the Palladium. Through the Christmas lights. It was absolutely... You've got to say it's good, because otherwise people will get pissed off with you, so you have to say it's good. So we're not going to learn anything about whether it's actually good or not. What do you mean?

What, the comedy? It's just five or six comics getting up on stage. Who was it? Name them. You can't remember their names can you? One who just had a divorce. John Richardson. Oh yeah.

Matt Ford. Is he good? Matt Ford's always good. Yeah, they were both good. Who else? Phil Wang, he's always good. Glenn Moore, were both good. Who else? Phil Wang, he's always good. Glenn Moore, he was good. Suzie Ruffles?

I don't know if Suzie Ruffles- Isn't Matt Ford the guy that does all those politician impressions? Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's terrible. What do you mean he's good? He's all right. What do you mean? He's good at impressions and his standards are all right. This is my point, you're saying he's good

because you don't want to get in trouble for saying he's not good. Why would I? I barely know the guy. Like Jim knows him. I'll tell you're saying he's good because you don't want to get in trouble for saying he's not good. Why would I? I don't, I like, I barely know the guy. Like, like Jim knows him. I'll tell you what he did do. He did do that British Scandal podcast with Alice Levine, which I thought was really good. So fair enough. Well, what do you want from me? Like, he's either the devil or he's very good. Which, who's in charge? Me or the devil? Who's in charge? Matt Fadden the devil. This stuff's good. Matt Fadden's good. You had a nice time. Did you contribute some money to charity? I did, yeah.

Well, buying the bloody tickets was a lot more expensive than the ramble, I'll tell you what. Though I guess we didn't have a charitable partner that helped save Matt Ford's life. So there we go. No. It would be confusing if we did, wouldn't it? It would be confusing if we did. If we just suddenly decided.

Were you trying to support the guys who saved Matt Ford's life. We should have said that when they were trying to get, when the Palladium was trying to get £500 off us for a table we broke. Right, it's the Luke and Pete show and we're here to talk about all things Luke and Pete. Was that a cold open? Was that a cold open you just did there? Yeah, ba-da, ba-da, ba-da-ba-bum, that's a countdown. This has all gone very badly.

This has gone, this has gone atrociously. How's it going Peter? On the last episode we heard about my trip to Scotland. It was fun, it was nice with fishing as I said and I did some nice walking outside. We're going fishing, fishing for girls. I forgot to tell you we weren't going fishing for girls. Fishing for girls? When the fishing instructor got us into their little hut to prepare us for the mornings fishing and it was bear in mind we met at like 9 o'clock in the morning. He pulled out a big bottle of whiskey and said right I've got you a wee dram to warm you up. A wee dram?

Did he say a wee dram? Yeah he did yeah to warm you up. I had a little bit of a hangover anyway so it wasn't that welcome he pulled him all out for the for the four of us. Yeah And we'd you know cheers yet, you know to your health, you know, it's lunch or whatever. I don't I don't I don't quick Tote on the ram quick nip little queen nip and then someone said oh Peter. Are you not gonna have you're not gonna have an easy? No, no, I don't drink That's fun that's that's good that he does that part of the price so can't argue yeah exactly yeah how we dram so short but as well which is nice oh well so do you

have names and tattoos under under a neap under a boob and a tatty under a little boob what just tied in just warming it and walking them away and a haggis down his pants and a haggis down his pants So we learned about that last week. That was fun I haven't really got much more to say on that But I would probably like to start the show off today by asking you how you are Peter and what's new with you I'm alright. I've had sort of a quiet weekend. I've got a Good trip coming up and I'm just sort of just trying to save me money No, I'm just saving money for just trying to save me money to be honest. No, I'm just- What are you saving your money for?

Just trying to say, the yen's very cheap. The yen's very weak at the moment, Luke. I'm gonna come back with so much shit. And I'm going over to do some filming with Chris Broad on the Broad in Japan channel. And we're off to a place called Fukui. Right. But the problem with Fukui is there's fuck all there

and it's actually quite hard to figure out what to do in Fukui, but we'll Fukui-rigger it out. We'll show you when we're there. But- Very nice. Very nice, but yeah, I'm gonna come back with a big suitcase full of rubbish. And I told my partner, I said,

hey, Chris is coming up, I'm gonna come back with a suitcase full of stuff. And she said, no, you're not. I I don't want anything and she made it very clear that she didn't want anything and she and she has to be fair on the countless trips I've made to the land of the rising Sun and the lowering yen she every time I've come home with something she has treated it with disdain She'll change the locks on that house I'm telling you that now and she'll do well with her rights to do so.

I'll still be allowed in my apology cabin. I'll still be allowed in there. Warming myself by the 3D printer. If the upshot to your return from Japan is that you end up just having to live full time in the apology cabin, she never again once acknowledges your existence and you both just go about your separate daily lives. I mean I think she'd be fine with that and I'd miss her but I could watch her from the window couldn't I? That's probably not gonna be acceptable if she's decided to terminate the relationship. Well kick me out my cabin then. If I'm looking out my cabin and you happen to be at the window. What a strange conversation. It is isn't it? I'm enjoying it. It is, it is strange. I would say that I've got

everything I need in the apology cabin. A forthcoming freezer so I can eat sausages and fish fingers out of them. Have you got the ability to cook them though? I could cook very small amount... I reckon I could make like a... I could lay the sausages on the 3D printer and sort of basically rub the solenoids and...

Print more sausages? Print more... well, print a warm layer of like plastic on the top which would warm some of the fish finger up I think or I could just jam the sausages down the back of my fridge freezer and that obviously gets quite warm so I think it's nothing to press about that well I was watching a Heston Blumenthal how to cook the best roast chicken and fuck me

overcomplicates things he's like he's been in the news recently for having some serious mental health issues by the way. Yes he has. I saw an interview with him the other day. He's got bipolar hasn't he? He's got bipolar. It looks quite a bad way bless him. I felt sorry for him actually. I actually went back and I thought the speech patterns that he sort of exhibited in the interview, I was like has he always had them?

Because, kind of to be honest. So maybe just kind of getting out of that. But anyway. He rose to the very top of his trade, my goodness me. My goodness me indeed. His little lollies that aren't lollies, they're probably made of meat or something, we can all do that. How was he doing to roast chicken out of interest?

It was like, he started off and he's in the cold, he's in the freezing water, it's in the ice bath, then I think he sort of fries it for a bit, then it's in the ice bath then it's in some then I think he sort of fries it for a bit there's in the ice bath and he fries it for a bit more oh you don't remember do you I don't remember well he salts it for ages like any every chicken perv yeah he brines it for ages and then it's just in the ice bath in the hot water in the ice bath in the hot water in the ice bath and that takes ages and then he I think he puts it in the fridge for overnight and he picks it back up and then it's in the oven for and I kid you not 60 degrees for four

hours 60 degrees Celsius low in it do not trust it I know I understand the physics and I understand the science but but I do not trust it. Stronger than an air fryer. You could probably just put it, if that's the case, I reckon it's 60 degrees for 4 hours, you could just put it on for 240 degrees for 1 hour. Yeah, exactly, well that's what I do anyway. Same as old. That's why it's terrific and dry.

I would like to taste it, but I wouldn't't trust my cooking I would just panic at the end it come out and it looked delicious but I because I mean sure the only way you can know that the food is cooked surely is like it's a meat thermometer isn't it like I know it's like white and stuff but like I would I would I mean if I'm cooking a roast chicken which I have in the past you've got to be brave to not overcook it. Yes, you've got to be a brave boy. You've got to trust yourself. And you've got to put the skewer in there and it comes out, juices come out clear. It's good.

It's fine. It's cooked. That's it. I just think it's a, I just think I'm, yeah, I just wouldn't be able to, I wouldn't be able to handle if I gave myself or someone else food poisoning. It would be awful. Are you cooking your Christmas dinner this year? Yeah, I think I will be. Turkey has been requested, so I might make my own. Someone else food poisoning you could like to have a Christmas dinner this year

Yeah, I think I will be a turkey has been requested so I might make my own turkey from Japan might make my own start Kid you know her nader airport has a little advert for like don't bring meats into the country right and it's on the the luggage carousel And it it basically says, don't bring, in English, because the guides are stupid, they do sort of stuff apparently. Yeah, it says, don't bring this into, don't bring me into the country. And it has a beef burger at the bottom of a piece,

like a big suitcase Like an unwrapped beef burger Who's doing that? Who's bringing an unwrapped beef burger at the bottom of your luggage for crying out loud? Do not do it Do you remember the very first episode of Airport? Mmm There's a guy Who you know that fly on the wall documentary about, I can't remember which airport it is, Luton or something, as a guy, quite a posh American

guy. That's a kind of contradiction in terms of a quite kind of preppy American guy. He's flying back to the US and he's been in Scotland or something. He's got these live lobsters in his, in a box and the woman is saying, you can't fly with those. And he's like, why? She said, because you can't fly with any livestock. And he's like, well, it's not livestock, it's lobsters. Sherpa's the box says that they're alive. It's livestock.

You can't catch. He's like, right, well, I'll take them to the bathroom and I'll kill them then. And she's like, eh, probably don't do that. He's got, he's got them there, hasn't he? He's got them there, but then it's a race against time for him to get him somewhere that it needs to be. She was basically, in no uncertain terms, as clearly as she could saying, you're not bringing lobsters on this flight. You can try all the loopholes you want, but you ain't getting them on this flight.

So to make your peace with that... It's my clothes! The lobsters are my clothes! Where is he wearing them? The lobsters are my clothes! He's wearing them! The lobsters are my clothes! The big body armour! Yeah, I mean, it's a bald gambit, innit? Getting a live lobster in your breeches. He just had like a really big, strong sense of entitlement that he couldn't believe that they wouldn't let him just do whatever he wanted.

And, changing the subject slightly, have you managed to see that new boy band documentary on the BBC? I haven't, no. Is that the one Robbie Williams was complaining about? Was he? He's very good at it. I'm surprised he's complaining. He's very, he actually comes across very well on it I thought. Or maybe he's complaining about a review. I forget to be honest with you. So here's a three parter. It's made by... So it's the Instagram post about it. Right, was it? It's made by, not Minehouse, but Louis Theroux's company. They did, it's basically a kind of, a deep dive into boy bands and the culture and behind the scenes info and all that kind of stuff with a lot of talking heads.

From kind of take that onwards, so it goes take that East 17... to one directions five no it doesn't go that far it goes five nine one one damage Westlife it kind of stops email do we ever get email I mentioned email which is what made me think of you email I mentioned the lads the lads from Starlight Express on there with their roller boots beautiful I get mentioned yes I don't know the producers didn't know this but they didn't mention that they were from Starlight Express with their roller boots. Beautiful. They get mentioned. Yes. I don't know if the producers didn't know this but they didn't mention that they were from Starlight Express. They just mentioned it was like roller boots type stuff.

But anyway it's got some good talking heads in it. Robbie Williams, Simon Cowell, Louis Walsh. Some of the lads from the kind of lesser known boy bands that were treated quite badly. Louis Walsh. Do you remember that guy on Pop Idol as this guy? I think he's from like Sheffield or Leeds or something. And he's like a kind of M&M rapper. It's the sort of thing you see in America a lot.

I do remember him. That was X Factor wasn't it? What was it? X Factor? Yeah, Kate Upton. Kate Upton. Kate Thornton is interviewing of Stax Parish and she cannot keep it together because this kid is fucking shit.

But he goes, he tries to sort of, he's having a go at Simon Cowell as if he's M&M and then he sort of goes, Louis Walsh, and he says Louis Walsh incorrectly, and he goes, he discovered Boyzone, well they're okay, Louis Walsh incorrectly and he goes, he discovered Boyzone, well they're okay, Louis Walsh and every time I hear about Louis Walsh I think Louis Walsh, awful, absolutely awful, Louis Walsh is a weird guy he's a weird guy, yeah, who's the fella who's on Pop Idol who played the Louis Walsh kind of character. Nasty Nigel. Nasty Nigel. Nigel Lythgau from the... Lythgau, yes, yes please. He's not in it. But the reason I say that, so Robbie Williams is probably the tenth pole talking head name

in it. Right. And he talks a lot about his experiences and how difficult it was and obviously it's morally questionable what they get these lads to do and stuff. And I actually think he'd come across really well. He was very self-aware, very kind of self-deprecating, said, you know, how he felt and what he went through. The E17 bit was really revealing. I mean, Brian Harvey wasn't on it, apart from Archive, obviously, but Tony Mortimer and the other two were. And yeah, I just found it really interesting, I guess, because I remember those those music artists back in the day and, and I quite enjoyed

I used to like E17 when I was a kid. And obviously the other one back back in the day, if you're old enough to remember that you couldn't really ignore like a take that could you they were basically everywhere. And what was interesting is I didn't realize that. So blue are featured quite a lot in it. And I didn't realise the guy who put Blue together went to the same uni as me the first time round. He's a couple of years ahead of me. I never knew that's what he went on to do. He even showed his graduation photo with the exact same set up as I had when I graduated

and I recognised him but he was older. I guess I just didn't have any contact at all with him when he left. I didn't know that's what he went on to do. That's hilarious. And he was just there on the telly and you're like, you're like Leo DiCaprio. Yeah, yeah, yeah, kind of. And I didn't know him or anything,

I just knew who he was. And I've also, I've done, because when we used to work at Capitol Radio and stuff, I've been in the company of quite a lot of those guys in those boy bands, so I kind of recognized. So I've done, there was a big, do you remember that big radio day we did for the Boxing Day Tsunami? In about 2004, 2005? Right, okay, God.

Do you remember the Boxing Day Tsunami? Yes. Yeah, and there was a big radio day, I think it was called Radio Aid, and it was held at Capital Radio when I was working there. It might have been before your time, maybe, or XFM weren't involved. I think it was before my time, yeah. But they had a whole day of broadcasting live

from Leicester Square, and they basically said, anyone who wants to turn up to do a live session, or to chat, or to be interviewed, or to do an appeal, or whatever. Kind of like a comic relief type thing. And pretty much, I mean not all of them but a lot of those guys were there. So I was, because I was new working there at that point, I was just tasked with making the tea and sitting around with people and

stuff. So I was with like, Mark Owen was there for quite a long time, I was there with him, he was a really lovely fella. And one or two others anyway. But it was just a really interesting documentary of quite an interesting time and giving you quite a lot of behind the scenes info because the boy band Five, I didn't realize this because why would you? Because people just didn't really talk about that kind of stuff then.

They basically had a total mental health meltdown. Like they were in a situation where they were gonna, they were trying to break him in the US. They were trying to get him to support NSYNC. They gave him like, they had the big NSYNC hits were five songs that five had turned down. Right. Because they were so fed up of doing it.

And then five also turned down, hit me baby one more time. And so it went to Britney Spears. Wow. Wow. And they were all getting Simon Cowell's on it and whoever else was managing them. I think the guy who managed them was the guy who put together the Spice Girls. They were saying that we were all ready to go into the US. But then one of them saddled a really bad nervous breakdown and they all just raid around

him supporting him and just decided to stop. And it's actually quite... This is five? Yeah. Right, okay. It's quite troubling to watch really. I didn't fully grasp, probably because I was a bit older by then, I didn't fully grasp exactly how successful they were, I think.

I think, but then looking back, their kind of whole makeup was slightly skewed to the American market. Like remember like, three if you want a four if you want a five I make you feel alright. That one, that was kind of like an American video I think. They were all geared up towards that I think. Interesting, that does make sense now you mention it. They had like 10 or 11 top 10 hits, I had no idea how big they were. Wow, that's wild. My personal view is that if you listen to some of that E17 stuff, I think it still sounds quite good. I think Tony Mortimer seems like a really talented songwriter. My friend who edits a songwriting magazine did a big feature on, they've got a

feature in this songwriting magazine. The magazine's just called Songwriting, and if you're interested in songwriting, definitely go and subscribe to it. It's really good. They get amazing guests and interviews on there. And they've got a feature in there called How I Wrote, and he got Tony Mortimer to talk about how he wrote Stay Another Day and the story is really fucking interesting. I think it's so refreshing and weird, that would never happen in America you'd imagine, you wouldn't entrust one of the group to write anything. But E17 weren't a confection, they weren't kind of like a... No, they weren't put together, they were just a group.

But Tony Morton was a songwriter and there's two mates with him who did the singing and Brian Harvey was just a dancer with them, they just knew, they're just friends with him. Interesting. Then one day in the studio they needed the vocal that someone couldn't do, so Brian Harvey did it and they worked out he had a really good voice, so they got him in as a singer and it went from there. But Mortimer's writing all of his own songs. So he wrote Stay Another Day about his older brother who took his own life. So it was like a really sad ballad lament about his brother dying. And then the record label

I think had the idea to put Christmas bells and stuff like that and make it a love song and it became a massive hit. But they weren't manufactured, they just did the thing. But I would also say on that front as well, the Brian Harvey story is actually a really fucking problematic and sad story. And all the kind of meme stuff around him running himself over and and you know becoming a bit of a laughing stock and everything like if you watch that documentary episode the one that features E17 I think you'll come

out of that with a very very different opinion in terms of reality of what actually happened because he was just a young lad probably not the brightest kid who just got chewed up and spat out massively from the various kind of management and record labels who had different ideas about what they wanted to do that didn't quite feature him so they just fucking threw him to the wolves basically. Yeah I'm very much not enjoying the death of a fellow in One Direction, remind me of the lad who passed quite recently. His story's been kind of adopted by the whole sort of American conspiracy theory kind of

diddy party expose, you know, he was on the verge of exposing blah, blah, blah, blah, you know, all the usual sort of crap, but it's just so, it's just so disrespectful. I remember, do you know what I'm saying? It is, and I remember, because one of the things they talked about in the series a lot was about how much work they have to do, how there's no sense of protection of their mental

health or their stability or their personal health. And for the amount you're working and for your bottom line is such a different thing. Especially when you're doing covers. Especially when you've got normal rights to music. The two lads from E17, they both just went, who who aren't Tony and Brian they just both went back to their jobs yeah they said that Christmas number one was Stayin' Up A Day right most probably alongside that was the most famous musical arts in the UK at the time not a cover written by the band 150 quid a week they're on yeah Okay, yeah. They don't make any money. They don't make any money.

I actually remember when I was working at the major label I worked at, we had Girls Aloud and the schedule, I remember seeing the schedule for them and it was mad. There were no days off, including Christmas Day for like 18 months. The days off were travel days. They counted travel days as days off. But the amount of work they have to do is wild. Absolutely wild. I don't know what, it's just a horrible life to get into and you don't make any cash out of it in a boy or girl group in the grand scheme of things. Unless you like a take that or a one direction. But everyone else just got like just and by the time it got to like the

Mid-90s they'd refined their these record companies had refined their approaches and refined their contracts and they knew exactly how to extract the Maximum amount of money for the minimum amount of input from their side. What was a nice positive end to the show? You know, it's a pretty matter-of-fact documentary So I don't think I'm spoiling kind of plot points But what was a pretty interesting end to the show was that what was nice is that a bunch of them, 9-1-1 are now really big in the Far East, five have reformed on their own terms just with themselves and are touring enough to just do gigs and get paid. And they seem to be really enjoying just doing that.

And so I think from the outside looking in, if you were of that kind of cynical persuasion, you'd be thinking, oh, that's a bit tragic. Look at what they're doing. They're just rocking up to medium sized venues venues playing their hits having a nice time hanging out together getting paid and going home yeah and they seem for whatever it's worth judging them however you want but they seem a lot fucking happier now than they were then trust me yeah look you go out play the hits Spear's he doing his Nelson Mandela at the palladium it's what we're all built for that's what what we say. Pete Donaldson getting into his pants.

Getting into my pants, yeah. That's what people demand. Me slugging off some of the audience. That's what people come for. Let's have a quick break, come back and we'll squeeze an email to it and then we're off to go, right? If that's alright with you guys. Fine, yeah, alright.

Life and death were two very realistic coexisting possibilities in my life. I didn't even think I'd make it to like my 16th birthday to be honest. I grew up being scared of who I was. Any one of us at any time can be affected by mental health and addictions. Just taking that first step makes a big difference. It's the hardest step. But CAMH was there from the beginning. Everyone deserves better mental health care. To hear more stories of recovery, visit camh.ca.

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Undertaker was in it probably. See how could he wrestle in jokes? The fabulous Free Bird, yeah he's in, his side won didn't they in the end. It was Batista versus Taker wasn't it? It was Taker and Kurt Angle was he involved? I could see Mr America. No it was Brock Lesnar wasn't it? On the other side of Dana White I think. Oh what? He...

Oh what? He was on the... He was on the... It wasn't just Kurt Taker, it was someone else as well. Oh I didn't see he was involved. I just saw that pre... Pre... Election. Taker was talking about how... You know Trump was the best and stuff. I didn't realise

that... Right, no, so there was a video with Trump and Taker was on one side and there was another wrestler on the other side. I think it might have been, but I can't remember. You'd think Lesnar would keep his head down. I think he might be coming back actually after the whole Vince McMahon stuff. Anyway, Loki, give us an email, mate. Yes, this one's from Aaron. He says, he calls his email a Luke paradox. He says, hi boys, over the past few years of listening to the Luke and Pete show, two things have become apparent. One, Pete likes the band Pulp, brackets good man. Correct, yeah. While Luke is at best

dismissive of them, brackets poor form from Duke. Two, Luke likes or certainly admires and respects the Ozzy legend Nick Cave. So upon discovering that not only does Jarvis Cocker and Jason Donovan appear in the Nick Cave in the Bad Seas music video 15 Feet of Pure White Snow, but that Nick Cave has also performed the cover of a pulp song, Disco 2000. I was intrigued to know how Luke feels about this. He says, as Luke lost some respect for his antipodean hero now that he has sullied himself on the depths of the mediocre 90s Britpop, or has Cave's cover of Polk raised the Britpop band up in his estimation? Cue up the good work.

Aaron, what do you think about that Peter? I mean I'd put it in the same place as the, remember when, as the fellow did United States of Whatever, he did a cover of Bob's Common People. Liam Lynch. Liam Lynch, I think he did a cover of Common People. Or it might have been... but he basically did it with William Shatner, do you remember? Mm-hmm, yeah I do, yeah. Yeah. I like it when there's slightly weird covers of songs I really, really like. So I think that Nick Cave didn't sully himself. I don't think Nick Cave really ruined anything there.

I think he did a lovely job. Well, I don't think anyone suggested Nick Cave's ruining fucking pulp. I mean, Jesus. I just think they're two peas in the same pod. And the sooner you sort of come to realize that It's like saying that you know fucking caravaggio is ruined one of your sculptures In the words in the words of Nick cave people's ain't no good. No, I would just say that It's I think it's the b-side to that single. Hmm, and that was in 2001 when Nick Cave was taking a lot of drugs.

Right okay. I wouldn't be hugely surprised if he, let me put it another way, I would be tremendously surprised if I went to go see Nick Cave these days and Disco 2000 was on the set list put it that way. Yeah but you would never discount it would you? You just wouldn't. Jarvis Cocker is on the record as liking Rolf Harris, Gary Glitter and Jimmy Savile. Right, great icons. That's true though isn't it? Yeah, but you know, you're like, the bloke out of, Slipknot did a song with the bloke out of...

Lost Profits. So like, you find out new information and people go down or up in people's estimations, some might say. So today Nick Cave's gone up in my estimation. I had a little mini debate on the show I'd guested on a while back, and I'm pleased to hear Nick Cave's gone up in your estimations, that's important. But I did a little debate with someone on the show I did a while back and they're talking about the puff daddy Scandal right talk about what would happen to his music and I was like well I mean unless the industry completely disregards him or as part of the Rico case They completely take all of his music and you know do something else with it

Yeah, no nothing's gonna happen to his music and the evidence I used for that was like, there are still 250,000 monthly listeners on Spotify to lost profits. There are still millions of listeners to Michael Jackson who I understand wasn't convicted of a crime. There is loads of examples. Chris Brown's an absolutely fantastic example, just committing the most horrendous crimes,

yet he's still got 48 million monthly listeners on Spotify. It's horrific isn't it. No one would suggest that Jarvis Cocker is guilty of any of those things. No. What he is guilty of is quite bad music. Peter doesn't agree that's fine that's what makes the world go round. Listen Gavin and Mimi and who else have we got here David and

Lewis we will get to your emails when we can we promise you that we've run out of time for today though Still put more on the pile up, please Hello at LukePetro.com As I was just looking at the running order I just saw something that said on one of the records recordings We did a week or two ago Pete declares his love and affection for Johnny five from short circuit. I don't remember that. Mm-hmm I mean, I don't think anybody dislikes him today He's a robot who just needs input. You can read a phone book in like 30 seconds. It's amazing

There was a snowblower Something that I didn't really understand I thought snowblows like another another word for like a raspberry you know like a raspberry blowing a raspberry but because we don't really have snow we don't really have snowblowers in this country do we so it's not really a big kind of it's like it's like when they talk about those machines that level out all the ice on a on a on a on a Zamboni. Zamboni it's one of those words that people use but we have no reference for that stuff at all. I'd never seen a Zamboni till I went to the US and watched a rink. Zamboni. It's one of those words that people use but we have no reference for that stuff at all. No. I'd never seen a Zamboni till I went to the US and watched it a whole week. No. Exciting isn't it? It's such a unique bit of kit that how much could

we buy a Zamboni? Get on Facebook Marketplace, find a Zamboni for credit. They're massive as well. They are huge. If you've got anything to say about anything we've talked about today or indeed on the other episode do email us hello At Luke and Pete show dot com or is it the Luke and Pete show dot com I can't fucking remember Hello at Luke and Pete show dot com bloody yeah terrible mommy to be fair my defense you normally do the email shout out Oh, why did you get involved then? I don't know shouldn't have got involved man. Just bored of what you were saying. Yeah, all right Well, we'll be back on we'll be back on Thursday. See you then. Ta ta!

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