The Luke and Pete Show - Claude's Awful Drawing

Episode Date: June 29, 2026

Luke recently enlisted Anthropic’s Claude to draw him a picture and the result was truly awful. He freely admits he’s a man out of time and doesn’t know how to use this stuff.Remaining on a simi...lar path, it’s time for a chat about the miserable phenomenon of AI-generated music and “art” more generally. Plus, which so-called stand-up comedian has got Pete’s dander up this fine Monday?Send us your latest stories, questions and comments here: hello@lukeandpeteshow.com.The Luke and Pete Show is the sometimes ridiculous, always funny podcast with Luke Moore and Pete Donaldson: two men who have time on their hands and a good idea of how to waste it. Subscribe to get your comedy podcast fix every Monday and Thursday. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 It's a Lukey show Pete Donaldson with you joined by Mr. Lukie Mo. Lukie Mo, how the devil are you doing? I'll tell you, I'm doing it. I'm nearly sure. I've done some Japanese chewing gum I found in my back pocket this morning. I clearly haven't washed these trousers since I got back from Japan. And now I'm having some delicious green bar chewing gum. It's exhilarating broadcasting with you as ever,
Starting point is 00:00:27 because I quite literally never know what you're going to say next. The Luce and Pete show is hopefully quite infamous for that but it is sincere. I genuinely never know what the conversation is going to be. I never know what you're going to say. I never know what you've been doing. Last time we chatted, we talked quite a lot about us being little barrel boys, didn't we? Little boys in barrels. We're wearing barrels for clothes.
Starting point is 00:00:51 The trope back in the 80s and 90s if you were poor and you had no money and you're destitute, you would just wear a barrel as a shirt. And it's a measure of how far society has fallen that I think that barrels would probably be quite expensive these days you wouldn't get a barrel from like an East London Emporium yeah for like some kind of you know decorative purpose in your home
Starting point is 00:01:13 I reckon you're paying north of a hundred quid oh definitely and I walk down the street and I see a bit of scrap wood and that used to be like oh this this place has gone to the dogs I'm like that's valuable I'm gonna put it in the car do you know what I'm like like anything puts dead bodies in the car say again
Starting point is 00:01:29 I might you if it's the dead bodies of animals That's right, yes, valuable, isn't it? Good for fertiliser, you'd probably imagine. Very good for... That's not why he does it. Is there any piece of wood that you wouldn't kind of commandeer? Well, the problem is, Sammy in particular, loves doing shits on anything that's slightly erased from the ground.
Starting point is 00:01:50 So if there's a bit of cardboard on the floor, if there's a bit of wood, he'll have a go, he'll balance his little tuckus, as the Americans might say, and pop out a little brown A brown trait He'd balance his Derek precariously on a lovely bit of decking wood And he'd yeah
Starting point is 00:02:08 Just call one out and just go Hey look at look it deserved its own stand Yeah I like that he feels that that's a stage To be performed upon Well that's it Dogs do that because they want other dogs To see that they're a larger dog Because they want to poo on higher and higher
Starting point is 00:02:24 Sort of platforms So like the dogs will try and poo on like step over just a floor. It's almost a bit like, you know, if you draw a circle on the floor in chalk, a cat will go inside it and curl up into it. Oh, I like that. Nice. So they like to be enclosed, but they'll even be confused by something drawn on the ground. They'll throw up there inside something and therefore they're safer. Don't ants do that as well? I think ants might do that as well. But that might just be, they're small enough to deal with carbon and chalk being quite a, you know, like a little hill or something. Ants can solve problems together there,
Starting point is 00:02:55 can't they? They're pretty good. Yeah, clever little. Probably one of the most impressive. I think it's probably pretty poor form to kill an ant. Not if you've got a massive infestation
Starting point is 00:03:05 like me. I go wild with it. Well, that's like Starlin said, isn't it? You know, one death of the tragedy, 30,000 deaths is a statistic.
Starting point is 00:03:12 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he didn't execute ever with boric acid, but I mean, I'm sure if you get enough of it, he would do.
Starting point is 00:03:18 A lovely born in water from the kettle down the hole. Oh, no. Yeah. Is it poor form to kill ants? I think ants are important, aren't they?
Starting point is 00:03:25 They are, but if they're becoming a nuisance and digging up the cement in your garden. That's an annoyance that you, you know, the ants can do that else. The ants can do that elsewhere. So I am. I'm just saying present them with that option then.
Starting point is 00:03:38 Present them with that option. My daughter absolutely loves ants. And if she knew that I was in anywhere, an ant murderer, she'd be very upset. But she doesn't have to know that. My list which has remained unchanged for, I think over a decade now, at least a decade, possibly even longer,
Starting point is 00:03:53 of the pests I will kill. is, always the same, flies, mosquitoes and wasps. Right, okay. Everything else is, will get put outside in the respectful manner.
Starting point is 00:04:06 Yeah, my list is moths. I think moths is unfair. Ants if they're not, ants if they're becoming destructive. Ants if they're over a certain number. An individual ants you're going to put outside.
Starting point is 00:04:20 A firm of ants. You know, you're getting the boric acid, I'm afraid. You're getting done. You go, you know what the collection. I don't even know what.
Starting point is 00:04:27 even though what Boric acid is. I think it's just a thing that pops ants, I suppose. I think it makes their body swell or something. An army advance is the collective noun. An army advance, of course, it is. Colony is also accepted. I just mentioned
Starting point is 00:04:43 Big Pav there earlier. He, for some reason, calls the arse, the Derek. I don't know why. And the reason I know that is because I've had many a time playing football with him where he's wanted me to mark a forward a bit more tightly. I want to see you right up is Derek.
Starting point is 00:04:59 Right. But that means, I mean, it depends on if you're facing goal or not, I suppose. If you're shielding the ball, if you've taken a pass from the goalkeeper, you want to be getting your Derek out. Oh, no, yes, she's when I'm Mark. It's not when I'm picking up the ball. Right. You want to be brave with your bunder.
Starting point is 00:05:13 When I asked him why he called it a Derek, he said it's because when they were kids, they couldn't pronounce derrier properly. Lovely stuff. Why were they even trying to pronounce derrier? Big Pap would look sensational when they're back. bankruptcy barrel. Yes, I think so. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:30 Well, you, before the recording, made an AI make a picture of me in a barrel. It's rubbish. You've managed to... I'm a man out of time. You are the only... Even though, like, every man of our age spends all of his time making everything in his life out of AI
Starting point is 00:05:45 from Five-Aide football team charts to, you know, whatever. They just spend all the time making AI and causing the heat death of the world. And you... And you have managed to make, I think, the worst picture using AI that I have ever seen. I don't know. I'm living in the dark ages.
Starting point is 00:06:05 I don't know. But it's almost charming. You know, like people have a real problem with AI. They have a real problem with AI. But I think if they saw your work, they'd be like, you know what? He's made something that is something so precious. So precious and charming. You know, you've got to know the rules to break the rules.
Starting point is 00:06:25 And you've absolutely. astounded me with how poor that picture of me in a barrel is. But how have I done that? Because I used Claude. I mean, we have to share it for people to... Yeah. I mean, what you've done... I think almost...
Starting point is 00:06:40 I think how normal image generation, it sort of combines a lot of images until it gets to a point where it's, you know, recognisable. Oh, I saw this one being drawn in front of me. Yes. So I think what Claude has done here, it's used a vector approach to things. And it's basically told the screen, right,
Starting point is 00:06:56 Draw a square with a circular kind of bottom and a shadow, all from primitive objects. So there's about, there's five or six circles there. There's a curve, like a sort of structured curve they'd drawn there. The arms are horrific, but they've made them out of three or four circles with some masking. And so in many ways, it's actually more technically interesting that Claude's done that. but it does look like the daubings of a three-year-old I was unhappy with it
Starting point is 00:07:33 I have to say I kind of thought it would be one of those super so on the way into the office in the morning have you seen it you walk from Warren Street or no I go Fenner's Fennettchett Street I sometimes just cycle up to it from Fenture Street On the walk from Warren Street before you get the Fitzroy Square there's a kind of Indian cafe type place Right there's loads around sort of
Starting point is 00:07:54 Houston sort of area as well. Fucking lovely. I've got an amazing AI-generated sandwich board outside their cafe. It's so sad to see. It's just like delicious curry dishes inside or something. But the thing is, obviously, you prefer that to not be our AI generator, but I guess for them it's, you know, it's a quick job and it's easier. Yeah, but I was kind of hoping it'll be something like that,
Starting point is 00:08:15 but it isn't anything like that. No, the thing about AI, it just always looks like it's got a lovely film of piss. It's like the, it's like the PS3 is. every game on the PS3 had this piss filter on it from like Metal Gear Solid to everything else and to Resident Evil or stuff and they all just had this sort of
Starting point is 00:08:33 you know like when they go to Mexico in a film everything just gets covered in a yellow film that looks like piss every bit of AI just looks like piss there's a quite a good AI sort of there's an AI policeman or AI kind of Instagram account
Starting point is 00:08:50 that basically goes through a lot of like bands are quite bad it these days. And especially bands who've probably got a bit of money behind them and a record company behind them to put their festival appearances out on, you know, using a proper graphic designer. And yeah, it's, you know, I think everyone's sort of flirted with it. And it's up for you to sort of choose how exposed you want to be
Starting point is 00:09:12 and how much you're kind of satisfied with it. The new crazy taxi. Do you know the Sega video game? Yeah, I've seen that's back. Crazy taxi, that's back. That's huge generative AI. And it's very interesting to see the Japanese, developers, how they approach things compared to, and the Chinese
Starting point is 00:09:27 developers, Korean developers, actually, how they sort of, how they're releasing games and they literally can't understand why the West are up in arms. The Western sort of video game fans are up in arms about the use of generative AI because it's just not thought of in the East. Also, when it comes to the dining of video games, presumably a lot of the process of it is automated anyway. A lot of it is. And I think the way that people use the generative AI is, I mean, they,
Starting point is 00:09:54 They sort of say that they use it in the drafting stage where you know like how an artist and most artists who may even be listening to this show while they're daubing and painting their beautiful things. They use artwork to influence them. They use kind of like mood boards and stuff and they use imagery from different places. But AI just feels like one of those things
Starting point is 00:10:17 where it's just because it's on the backs of artists and it's a very boring and done argument it just feels like that kind of shot cut is just unacceptable for a lot of people I think certainly on the art side of things I think it'll probably I think it'll probably settle down to about that
Starting point is 00:10:34 people will use it in development but the actual creation of the art and textures may remain it will still remain quite toxic I wouldn't like to see I wouldn't like to see and this probably goes without saying
Starting point is 00:10:47 people who know me will know I think this already but I wouldn't like see anything that is artistic in nature be generated by an artificial intelligence. I think it's a complete category error. There's a complete misidentification of what it actually is because anything is artistic. Is there a place for AI, art and judge it on its merits?
Starting point is 00:11:08 I think there's a place for it in processes and in, you know, certain areas. But in terms of, you know, you think of the idea of an artificial intelligence writing a song. I mean, it's got absolutely no, by definition, not because of my opinion of the song, which may or may not be technically a good song.
Starting point is 00:11:28 To me, the definition of it alone renders it completely obsolete to me and my desire to want to listen to it. Because ultimately, every good piece of art that's worth the name is built around the concept of the relationship between the art, the artist,
Starting point is 00:11:46 and the consumer of it. So to me, you know, you can't, this is going to sound pompous, so forgive me, right? But if you go to a gallery and you look at a painting, you may or may not like that painting.
Starting point is 00:11:57 You may or may not connect with it. You may not even understand it, particularly some modern modern work. But ultimately, if it's not for you, it's not for you. But you can make that assessment knowing that another human being is trying to communicate or to entertain you, whatever you want to phrase it, with their art. If there's no human at the start of it, it isn't art.
Starting point is 00:12:18 We may need to come up with a new category for it, and it doesn't mean it's, I personally think it's less valid and totally invalid, but other people, other generations who come along after us who feel differently about these things, there may well be a place for it for them. But for me, it's completely irrelevant. I just don't know anything stopping people sort of saying,
Starting point is 00:12:37 like using generative musical, you know, creation, using it and then just sort of going, right, I'll just cover it. I'll build that song again by my own hand and say that I came up with it. Who's going to prove? You know what I mean? Like, who's going to be like, you know. But that, though, even that, though, to me,
Starting point is 00:12:55 I get what you're saying that 100%. But even that. People will do it. They just will. Of course they will. And I know they will. And maybe in a lot of cases, people won't even know that's what happened, right? So that creates its own problem.
Starting point is 00:13:06 And so I understand that. But it's like, this does sound very analog, a very old person. I get it. And I totally understand that. And in some areas, you've got to just admit that you are who you are and you're of the generation you are. But what on earth?
Starting point is 00:13:19 I mean, just answer to me this. admittedly quite cringy, pompous question. You know, why would you ever want to listen to a love song that's not written by a human being who's experienced that emotion? It doesn't make any...
Starting point is 00:13:32 I don't understand. It's a genuine question. I don't understand why you would get anything out of that. I know, and I don't think you're ever going to get a satisfying answer because the sort of people who would sort of sling those answers at you are lying to themselves. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:47 And they're the sort of people who, you know, to be honest, probably don't like music anyway. It's anti-music, it's anti-everything. So what about if... So what about if you... You know that music you get in, say, hotels or certain types of American supermarkets,
Starting point is 00:14:02 like music-type stuff. Obviously, at some point in the past, that had to be written by a human being, right? And they were probably just a bit like, oh, I've got to do this job. You know, I've got... No one wants to buy my fucking... in my 90-minute-long saxophone concept album.
Starting point is 00:14:15 So I'm going to do this to make a bit of money. That presumably will be generated artificially from now, right? Yeah. So they'll lose the scant, you know, adverts and stuff like that. They'll lose the scant kind of money they got from even creating that, you know, crap. And that's the other thing, isn't it? Like, you're also, I don't have you seen this as a slight tangent, but, and you probably
Starting point is 00:14:37 won't have seen it, but very quickly, because I think it has got a little bit of relevance. It's the most recent season of Clarkson's farm. A lot of it is about automated farming. Right. And I'm kind of curious just to see how it'll go down, because. the premise that they create for it is that they Clarkson is basically saying farming doesn't work financially for anyone really now
Starting point is 00:14:59 and so we have to be honest about that and look at how we can do it in a different way and that's really the only premise that's been laid out there and then he just goes and gets like an automated tractor which is GPS accurate to within like five millimeters and gets it to dig his field cultivate his staff, plant his seeds and no one has to be involved.
Starting point is 00:15:20 And I kind of feel like, because I'm not a farmer, crucially, right? I feel like, okay, that's probably, you know, an amazing development technologically. And there's no art element here. So I guess that's kind of a positive development for a lot of reasons. But the other side of that is like,
Starting point is 00:15:39 well, you've got to find something to do with these farmers, the same way we had to find something to do with the miners when we stopped doing mining and we didn't and everyone got fucked over. Yeah. What's the kind of following, what's the follow up to this? And I wonder how that's going to be received because Clarkson, of course, has taken a huge amount of credit
Starting point is 00:15:54 and in many cases, rightly. So for his support of farming in Britain generally, yet he's flipped it in some way with this by saying, well, you don't need to do it now. And his little kind of sidekick is like, well, I don't really understand this because I like like driving tractors. So why are you, I've always driven tractors? It's like my job, so why are you fucking doing this?
Starting point is 00:16:14 So it's quite interesting how that will be received as well. Well, especially because, I mean, I guess the problem with Clarkson is I, you know, we all know why he got into owning a farm. So it's kind of like, I don't necessarily think he's the most, he's obviously a very famous farmer now. And he's obviously a mouthpiece for, you know, a generation of farmers. But it is kind of like, I don't necessarily trust him as being a reliable narrator about what's, you know, the, he can talk about the struggles and how farming does. I do agree with that. I do agree you're in that situation. And, but fundamentally, like,
Starting point is 00:16:54 haven't farmers always sort of moved in this direction anyway, you know, from the first man who had to run around his field, waving his arms around to get rid of the insects, to the man who put fertilizer and, you know, chemicals in the soil that would stop the crickets from eating the crops and stuff. So it's kind of like, there's always been, they've always grabbed technology with both, hands.
Starting point is 00:17:17 But yes, I mean, there's something, we obviously losing the romance of a man with a two-struck engine pottering around the, or before that, a horse. Or before that a horse. But I guess the reason that's, what I'm saying is,
Starting point is 00:17:30 like, I feel like it's relevant, is because the way he got into owning a farm, I'm presuming you're saying that because it would be some kind of tax avoidance reason. Right, okay. Inherent. It's inherent tax. Fine.
Starting point is 00:17:40 Fine. But the, he was named the National Farmers Union Farming Champion in like 2021. they love him, right? Yeah, because no one's speaking for them. You know what I mean? There's no famous... The most famous farmers would be some bloke on country file, you see, every third Sunday afternoon, do you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:18:00 Good programme, by the way. Good programme, good programme. Do you think it's a good programme? Yes, I think so. I think it's a... I think it should be protected. I think it's one of those things that the BBC should be celebrated for. Agree. Hard agree from...
Starting point is 00:18:14 Rather than the voice and stuff like that. The only thing it's got going against it is back in the day when I had a proper job, it was accompanied by quite a lot of Sunday, Sunday scurries. A lot of kind of, uh, country fires over Sunday is basically on its way out and it's working. Right, okay. But that's not country files fault, is it? No.
Starting point is 00:18:32 As soon as they seek them. As soon as he's seek them, you're like, oh, fuck. It's, um, it's, what's his name? Allie Jones, isn't it now? Yeah, all right? That's the thing, though. Like, at least with Seekam, you're like, at least with Seek him. You just would trust him to be, you know, he's in the goodies and stuff.
Starting point is 00:18:50 He's probably, you know, received a few, you know, a bit of oral sex. Do you know what I mean? I just feel like, I just feel like. You, but crudely, from 2001, he was quite literally dead. Yes. He couldn't carry on doing the show. No head dead. But I just feel, I don't know why we can't have these kind of like men with a bit of a wink in their eyes.
Starting point is 00:19:14 Do you know what I mean? I just feel like he put himself about. little bit in the 70s. Harry Seekin with that beautiful booming voice. And Allard Jones takes over and he's just a bit, he's like dish soap. Do you know what I mean? He's like a, he's like a soggy hand sanitizer bottle. I know what you mean? I feel like that's, that's kind of a hallmark of modern society generally though, isn't it? It's like the thing that the thing that the two lads on, the rest of its history talk about a bit.
Starting point is 00:19:45 when they talk about Thatcher's government, Thatcher's cabinet, is they always, like, just get absolutely stunned by the sheer amount of war heroes are in the cabinet. Like, there's like six of them who've got, like, really decorated for their conduct in Second and the Second World War, and you've got, like, the, you know, the undersecretary for pensions has been, like, he stormed a German position in a tank and, like, take,
Starting point is 00:20:07 and got all these awards for bravery. Like, you don't really see that now, do you? No, no. It's like, you don't really see people who've lived lives in public life entertainment now. Harry Seacom died at 79. He always looked about 85. I don't even know.
Starting point is 00:20:21 I don't know how that works. I just always saw him as like, he just always for me was just the, he was the UK's cryer. He was the town crier. For the UK. It's just a loud booming man who just shouts.
Starting point is 00:20:35 But on the other hand, Lillard Jones did appear in a series of the Mask's singer. So does that change your, is that change your opinion? My, my favorite priest at school died this week
Starting point is 00:20:47 or died last week I'm very sorry to hear that that's all right Father Hogarth I hadn't seen him sometime but he was 84 when he died I think and I was sort of reminiscent
Starting point is 00:20:57 with a mate who knew him about you know this priest and stuff he was kind of like one of those blocs who you'd look back and sort of go you know like how we all look back and sort of go
Starting point is 00:21:09 oh everyone was autistic then weren't they and he was just he was just on the spectrum somewhere and he was he was quite an interesting fellow, but very, very,
Starting point is 00:21:18 just, you know, he just had one of those brains where you're like, you, you just seemed very unique to him. And then now you look back and sort of go,
Starting point is 00:21:24 oh, yeah, okay, he was just in the father, he was in the priesthood. And he had that kind of brain. And it was, you know, he had some kind of
Starting point is 00:21:32 neurodiversity. And it was, and it was like going back over, like, the priests that we sort of used to, you know, talk to and stuff. And your favorite priests
Starting point is 00:21:42 were just the drunk ones. Do you know what? They were just like... Could have a bit of interest about them, yeah. They'd always have, because priests, by the very nature, you have to wear a lot of black clothing. And for some reason, a lot of them really fucking loved, like, eating quite a lot of eggs for breakfast.
Starting point is 00:21:55 And so they'd always have... They'd be pissed and they'd have food down there, like eggs down their front all the time. It's really hard to discern whether you think that you're classing this is a positive thing or not. I think it is a positive thing. I just feel like they're, you know, they're up to stuff. Do you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:22:11 They're men of God, but they're, you know, they're thought. people, but they're, you know, it looks like they've lived a bit of life. Well, I think it's Nick Cave who says the interest in, the real interest for him around things like faith and people of men of the cloth and stuff like that is it found in the uncertainty, in the doubt. Yes. And if you've got one that's got a bit of doubt, i.e. it's got this bit rough around the edges.
Starting point is 00:22:31 That's where it becomes quite interesting. But I want to do, just to lean into that kind of Margaret Thatcher's cabinet being war heroes thing. And you just don't see people of this weight now. is Erie Neve, who was assassinated by the IRA in the late 70s, he was like the Ministry for Transport and also one of the first, I think he was literally the first person to ever escape from coldies. Imagine putting that away.
Starting point is 00:22:56 It's an amazing. Putting that away for a, putting that way for a, for a, you know, a desk job. And you know what annoys me about it? They probably don't talk about it, do they? No. But then they wouldn't talk about, would they? No.
Starting point is 00:23:05 Talk about it. Talk about it. Yeah. I've got about five, you know, months of podcasting out of me knocking down a wall in my garden. Exactly. Talk about it. Terrible.
Starting point is 00:23:15 My late granddad only started talking about his war service as he got much older. And he once just chucked in there. It was his 90th birthday and he, and he, and some family made him a cake and we haven't had a little thing for him. And it was just in the family. There was only about 10 people there. Yeah. And someone asked him to say a few words.
Starting point is 00:23:35 And he said, I hope I don't make a hundred was the first thing he said, which is obviously pleasing. And the second thing he said was my favorite birthday was my 21st birthday when all the Chinese were trying to bomb my van. Right. Because he was in Korea in the Royal Engineers. And I think he was driving a truck, like a military truck, taking a bridge parts to a bridgehead. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:59 And he said that the Chinese knew he was there or the North Koreans or whatever. And they were trying to bomb him. And he said it was the most exciting birthday ever. And I was like, well, and I get why he's saying that. He wants to kind of articulate how he feels, you know, he's getting towards the end of his life. But the way he said it, it was a bit like, yeah, but realistically, you're not going to get a birthday of similarly, similar to that. No.
Starting point is 00:24:18 You're living in Southern Hampshire in, you know, in 2020. Maybe you could, you know, maybe you could, um, you know, recreate it. Just bomb my granddad in the garden. Happy birthday! Talk to the man at the Chinese restaurant around the corner. I got, listen. Listen.
Starting point is 00:24:33 It's a grenade. Listen, can you, listen, you just come around my gunman's house. Pete, that's racist. Why is that, you said the Chinese? And those guys presumably would be. Chinese, wouldn't they? Yeah, but I'm just saying... There we go. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:24:44 Not racist. But you just, if you shout not racist. Okay, you've basically put me in a situation where any response I make to it has to sound racist. I think it's the same as being racist. I think I'm going to start
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Starting point is 00:25:08 Let me Google him. I probably recognize this. And he's a... the cat man and he does like kind of roast comedy I don't think I know him no your impression isn't helping he sort of talks like this
Starting point is 00:25:20 and he's very very sassy and he talks about and he basically just slates everybody like his whole thing is like he'll he gets a lot of comedians on he lots of comedians on loads of punters on members of the public and he just gets
Starting point is 00:25:36 the comedians and himself sort of like and he and he performs at don't His main schick is black stuff Asian people
Starting point is 00:25:47 Muslim stuff he's the worst he's not only the worst sort of stand-up I'm using the word stand-up very very loosely I know you love a bit of stand-up chat he's not a he's not a stand-up
Starting point is 00:25:59 he's just a racist right I mean and he is incredibly popular and I cannot fathom the caliber of man usually men who find him utterly charming. He is the most disgusting snake human who ever lived.
Starting point is 00:26:18 It's like an Andrew Dice Clay type character who would like sell out the garden five nights in a row and you watch it about now and you're like, people lost their fucking minds in the 80s. He is so poor. Andrew Dice Clay has one, like in his little finger,
Starting point is 00:26:33 you know, he has more skill than this. I mean that is saying something. Poor tent of the apocalypse. A third of a man. And he did an epic special quite recently and I was like, I wonder what that's like because he, I've seen it, business, I've done him, I've seen him do a roast of,
Starting point is 00:26:50 WrestleMania. He did, WrestleMania basically invited him to do it, Tony Hinchcliff, kill Tony about WrestleMania, where he just basically invited people on and did his own material about the, about that, the, the, the, the, the, the, the wrestlers. And they were, and all of the jokes were basically, if the wrestler was Mexican, you know,
Starting point is 00:27:08 it went about as well as he demanded. if the wrestler was Japanese, it went about, you know, it couldn't get a handle on whether they were Korea. The jokes were all about being from China. It was just confusing. It's almost like, it's so perverse.
Starting point is 00:27:21 It's almost like an art form. And it's kind of like, how has he done this? How has he managed to get this sort of Korean? He's incredibly successful. He does like a live podcast, Killed Tony every week, apparently. And I'm not because he's a lot of his stuff,
Starting point is 00:27:32 but I watched a bit of his netflix special. It's like, he's got up on stage. You know, a legendary theatre where, like, a lot of, like, leading lights about the day. I'm really worried about where this is going. He just gets up and he just, and he hasn't got, he doesn't got any stuff to talk about.
Starting point is 00:27:53 He doesn't do any material. He just sort of goes, what's your name? You're a black guy. You should be called Deshawn instead of Sean. Is he campers you're making him out to be? Yeah, he sounds like a cat. He sounds like a cat.
Starting point is 00:28:09 talking cat. And it's worth a watch because I think he even went back and edited it because he was just getting so much dogs or dogs abuse. Dogs are you, say dogs on. Sorry. World Cup mode.
Starting point is 00:28:24 Sorry. Dogs abuse. Dogs or abuse. Yeah, it was astonishing. But he's well worth looking at because his stand-up is fucking atrocious. I think he deleted his last special
Starting point is 00:28:36 because he didn't want people watch it because he's so bad. He's got writers. He's got writers, and the best he can do is Black people are this. He's got like three Netflix specials. Honestly, worth a little hit.
Starting point is 00:28:49 You like a little hit watch like me. I'll give it a little. Give it a five minutes. Give me like a car crash. I'll watch it. Like a talking racist cat who hasn't got any material just up on stage for an hour. That Andrew Dice Clay
Starting point is 00:28:59 clip I'm referring to specifically, he's playing like Madison Square Garden sold out. And he does about 10 minutes of like nursery rhymes he's rewritten to make them vulgar and the crowd are like
Starting point is 00:29:14 shouting along with it. Is that his memory too? Yeah. Yeah. If you watch like watch any like Adam Sandler tapes from back of the day, you're like I used to, but the thing is though
Starting point is 00:29:25 and I was going to come back to bite me I know because I imagine they're terrible, right? I genuinely wouldn't have listened to any of them since like 1991. Yeah. But when we were kids, me and my mates,
Starting point is 00:29:37 we had a couple of Adam sound the cassettes. And we used to think they were the funniest thing ever. We should listen to them all the time.
Starting point is 00:29:44 It's just voices, isn't it? He would do song, he do a comedy songs, he do voices. A lot of it's probably hugely problematic now. But is that not
Starting point is 00:29:51 how he made his name doing that kind of stuff? Yeah, just yeah, just doing that. I just, I just, I tell you, as 10-year-olds, we just thought it
Starting point is 00:29:57 was the fucking most amazing thing ever. You know, I guess they've got money these days, the 10-year-olds. Maybe that's the, maybe that's the,
Starting point is 00:30:04 maybe that's the audience. But that was also, That was also like the height of, um, that was at the height of like entertainment for us. Like, because he would, he would have been on like Saturday Night Live probably what from the late 80s maybe.
Starting point is 00:30:15 And so, so he would do this stuff. But for us, like, I didn't even know what Saturday Night Live was then. And there's no way we would have got any kind of consistent, um, entertainment from the US.
Starting point is 00:30:29 Yeah. Because we, we, yeah, you just, genuinely, like, it just sounds so,
Starting point is 00:30:34 it makes me sort of the world's oldest, bloke. But we used to sit around in my mate's bedroom after school, and he'd put the cassette on and we would just sit there listening to it, cracking up and pausing it and rewinding it for the funniest stuff. And that was like a proper night's entertainment for us. It's bad, isn't it? It's like a stone-aged man, like around a fire.
Starting point is 00:30:51 It's a miracle. We're so liberal these days, one would suggest. Right, we'll be back for more, Lugn-Nepid's show the next time out. And if you can get to the show, hello, at Lugpeed Show.com. We'll get sued to us do some emails in the next show. I think that's probably the direction of travel. This show should take in the next one.
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