The Luke and Pete Show - Democracy vs Banter

Episode Date: November 14, 2022

What is more important? The future of liberal democracy or the banter? That is the question you have to ask yourself when you see Young Boozer on the ballot sheet. Elsewhere, we hear about Pete��s bizarre approach to public speaking and our mushy peas vs baked beans debate reaches a dramatic conclusion. Are you team baked beans or mushy peas? Let us know: Email: [e-mail] or you can get in touch on Twitter or Instagram: @lukeandpeteshow Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Peloton all-access membership separate. Learn more at onepeloton.ca slash running. Welcome to the Luke and Pete Show. It is Monday the 14th of November. I'm Pete. I'm joined by Luke. And we didn't get to talk about this last week on the show, but the Republicans didn't have as nice a time as they thought they were going to in the old elections, did they?

And that Fetterman bloke won his race against Dr. Shithead. That was his name. That will go against you when you're trying to be a politician. Being called Dr. Shithead. There's very few awesome things in the world, but when a fucking confirmed clear-for-all-to-see

carpetbagger just gets his fucking arse handed to him, it's just a beautiful thing. You see it in British politics, but because we're quite a small nation, you can kind of float around and pretend you're from a certain place and pretend you're from a certain place. The local identity thing is nowhere near as big here.

Nowhere near. We're sort of like north and south fucking coming down here. You know what I mean? That sort of vibe. North versus south. But other than that, I don't think it really uh really matters to that much of a degree that's right and i think um yeah i think even as we sit here today on this show on the monday is still there's still some stuff that's not sorted out yet because it takes time but yeah it's it's not being as bad and listen i'm probably not qualified to comment on on the proper analysis of what this all means.

But for whatever it's worth, I think that it's worth pointing out that in the midterms, for those who don't really know, that happen in between presidential elections, what tends to happen is the incumbent president's party, which in this case is obviously Joe Biden and the Democrats, gets smashed because that's just how it is. And you find that here, don't you, with by-elections? The governing party tends to get smashed so um and that hasn't really happened anywhere near as bad as people thought it would uh and the only real exception i could think of that is in 2002 which was the they've got a weird term for it now but i think it's called the rally around

the flag election because it happened so soon after september 11 so people were still in quite a patriotic kind of like all in it together type mood uh certainly compared to now and so generally speaking um i think people were expecting it to be a lot worse for democrats but it it doesn't seem to have been and you know to me that's really encouraging because i think too many people on the right of politics in the u.s just don't aren't passionate about democracy they're passionate about authoritarian fascism they're kind of their own particular brand of it and um yeah it's worrying it's awful and it's terrible for them it's terrible for the world

and if you can't see that um i don't know what to tell you so i don't think it's a cut and dry there's you know democrats are good and republicans are bad because i think that's not that helpful and it's a little bit simplistic. But actually, I think when it comes down to it, at key moments in history, which I think you only really fully realise when you've gone through them, I suspect we might be in one of those now. And I think it's really important to be on the right side of history. It's really important to say, you know what, actually, when it was said and done done what does matter is a democratic process that has to be respected and has to be honored and if you vote and you lose and your shit doesn't go through you have to accept it you have to pick yourself up dust yourself down and try to win

the argument next time and there's so much money washing through american politics as well that you know it does come down to i mean look six billion pounds six billion pounds are spelt on these midterms i mean so there's a lot of issues um a lot of problems but um yeah it's it's kind of an interesting time i think and i'll just finish by saying very quickly because i know people don't want to fucking lecture from me on american politics i'm not even american but america's goes through these periods a lot like at the 1860s the 1960s um it's a relatively young nation it's there's a lot of growing pains around it it's a really interesting experiment as a country probably unique as far as i know certainly in

the west and um so these things happen um but hopefully common sense sensible um people and the right type of people certainly like john fetter, who to me seems like one of the most normal people in politics, which is a good thing, by the way. Him being victorious is genuinely, I think, for everyone, a good thing because he seems to me like a pretty normal guy. And people didn't fall for the narrative that he stacked the debates because he just had a stroke. People would sort of say that he you know we would look at it like any normal

kind of debate oh you really ruined that you know you really fucked up and so it's because he just had a fucking stock and people didn't fall for it um would the uh idea that democracy is really important um and you know that's not something that is at the heart of the republican party in 2022 uh would would it kind of change your opinion of the whole situation if you learned that a certain politician managed to regain his position as Alabama treasurer, an office he assumed in 2021. His current term ends in January of 2023. He ran for re-election as the Alabama Treasurer.

He's called Young Boozer. Young Boozer. I'll tell you what. He's called Young Boozer, Luke. I don't think that... Come on. That doesn't really translate if you're in the US because I don't think they use the term Boozer.

But over here, that man would be doing the tour of student unions. Young Boozer but over here that man would be doing the tour of student unions young Boozer he was facing off against uh Scott Hammond uh and Scott Hammond got 15.4 percent of the vote and uh and young Boozer got 84.6 I mean you have to say that you I even if you are as dyed in the wool liberal as you possibly can you you have to vote. If that's on the fucking ballot sheet, Young Boozer, I don't care if he's fucking National Front. I don't care if he's...

I'm voting for that guy, I'm afraid. And I will take that shame to my grave. But his name is Young Boozer. What's important to you, the future of liberal democracy itself, or the banter? The funny name. A man's funny name.

Think of the meme stocks. You've got to look after yourself. As the world gets more and more turbulent, you've got to look after yourself and your family, haven't you? That's how people sort of go. You worry about the smart... You sort of go, right, I can't deal with any of that. I'm going to make my world a little bit smaller

and I'm going to take care of the people who are around me. But more importantly, my meme stock business. i can't afford to feed my family but we can sit around the telly and watch young boozer do a chat a speech and laugh have a laugh there's no telly we saw by the way i bet he's awful i bet he's not even living up to the name because he sounds he basically sounds like a rapper young boozer yeah yeah he's probably teetot sounds like a rapper. Young Bozo, yeah. He's probably T-Tot. He basically sounds like a modern version of Goldie Looking Shane. Yeah, he would be in Goldie Looking Shane without him. Incredible.

Anyway, so yeah, that's currently the size of what's happening over there. I wanted to say that we should probably... I don't know if we can do this. I'm going to try and do it. Let me know what you think okay you and I we don't have to mention the company in question

I suppose but I want to talk about the experience we had when you and I were invited to go to that marketing day with that company and give a speech okay

yeah okay and it was kind of interesting for me because so basically to set the scene I didn't actually really know much about what was going on

because Pete was in charge of it and Pete's approach is a little bit more freestyle is that fair? I think well bearing in mind I didn't know anything

about it so we were both in the dark No but you were the first point of contact you didn't think it was a problem that you didn't know anything about it so you just

got on with it Yeah Whereas I would very much just for the record I would very much prefer to have been told what was happening

yeah but I didn't know what was happening you had to find out is what I'm saying I didn't there was nothing to find out there's a re-run

of the conversation we had a few days before and then we went along and these people had been given having this marketing day and they'd been visited by all these different

kind of I don't know different parts of the marketing industry I guess and they were interested in podcasting so a mutual kind of company said oh luke and pete will come down um and we did anyway so anyway it was funny but i actually i got up and stayed and gave a little speech i just completely impromptu i had no notes just to get on with it and it was fine but what you did pete i think write some notes then no what there we go fairly to prepare preparing to fail write some notes no i will fail also with notes so it doesn't that

doesn't actually work for me but anyway the reason i want to bring this in is because i think people have a rarefied idea of who you are pete and i'm what what sometimes happens to me at least and i don't want to speak about you like you're not here but you know you're here to kind of fight your corner if you want to but what happens to me quite a lot is that if someone comes up to me in the street about a Ramble or a Luke and Pete or whatever they tend to instantly ask me about you right you've got the charisma the star quality right and I understand that I'm 30 feet from stardom I'm cool with that. You're the money maker here. I'm totally fine with that. Yeah, cheers, mate. But what they also tend to say is,

oh, don't you play it up a bit that Pete's this and Pete's that? And Marcus, it's happened to me with Marcus from the Football Roundball and he and I were at a football match and a guy came over, a couple of his mates,

and he said, oh, where's Pete? And we said, oh, he's not here. Because that's the first thing they always say. And we got chatting away and they said, oh, don't you just ham up a bit about what Pete's like? And Marcus said something which I totally agree with, which is, if anything, we probably play it down

about what you're like. Right, okay. That's what I think. So that's the preamble to the fact that we went to give this marketing thing and you said to me... I brought a big sink in. Yeah, you brought...

Let that sink in. He logs in. Well, it was actually at Twitter, wasn't it? It was actually at Twitter's building. It was. Yeah, but there's nothing to do with them, but it was at their building. It was their event space.

It was at Twitter. Very quiet. Very quiet that day. Yeah, it was actually. So anyway. Nobody around. Guys, where's everyone gone? Let me get the story out.

Let me get the story out. So we sat in the waiting room. Now we've got to give a speech. And I said to you, what are you going to do? And you said, I'm going to make a podcast episode on the hop on the fly with everyone in the room and i was like okay we'll go with that you then walked into the waiting room with a massive bit of two by four wood

over your shoulder to which my first point kind of question was like how did you get past security with that over your shoulder and i think they looked at you and they went i've had a good day i'm not taking him on look at this look at him he just let him in look at him even if he swings that as hard as he could into my skull he's gonna his hand it's gonna vibrate in his hands and he's gonna go ah you bastard break his weakened fingers on hand anyway so you put a massive mic on um the plank of wood you sellotaped it on but you gaffer taped it on you gaffer taped on a recorder and a wire you wrote in a big marker pen on the other side of it the podcast maker you walked into the room all right now you explain now you're describing it it

does sound silly oh pennies dropped has it you walked into the room all right now you explain now you're describing it it does sound silly oh pennies dropped has it you walked into the room there's about 80 people that you'd never met before and you got up on stage and went said some mad shit like some mad shit right and then went around the tables about 80 people interviewed every single one of them instantly in turn and then made a podcast edited it together and sent it to them the next day and they thought it was the best thing ever and at that point i thought you've either got it or you haven't and i haven't got it so let him do it just let him do what he wants i think that uh but they would the reply the guy sent to the email of you sending him the podcast episode, he was so effusive and enthusiastic.

He was so happy. It was unbelievable. But we've both been in those kind of like away days where the whole big, we've all worked for Global, we've all worked for big companies where there's like, you know, 100 people in the room and they'll have sat through like a load of, like a day's worth of like speakers, you know, worthy, interesting speakers, stuff like that.

And by the time it gets to the end, you want your dessert you want a man waving a fence post around that he's found in his garden is that what is that what you actually found uh it was one of the fence posts that i bought to replace the fence posts in my garden which by the way looking good i mean it's a lovely fence post a very very very very lovely fence post. All I want to say is, for the record, for people listening, you walked into a big company, loads of people you've never met before, probably about 100 of them there,

with a plank of wood, gaffer taped something to it, made a podcast episode on the spot with 100 people, which they loved, and it worked. But you go in, they'll remember the guy

waving the fence post around and then when they get the steady bloody doorbell um that's the when i talk about fence posts um the and then and then and then when you send the podcast they'll remember the podcast i mean bearing in mind like i'd done that sort of thing without the fence post they'd made that very clear uh in a school before in a mate's school wasn't even nice to be there did a similar sort of thing without the fence post they'd made that very clear uh in a school before in a mate's school wasn't even nice to be there did a similar sort of thing to be honest the the kids one was uh they were slightly more efficient about it but also they were um a lot more offensive little kids very offensive they're like too rude for for for for the rss they were absolute like shock

jobs right on that show yeah the guy he the guy who we did this for emailed back straight away saying, wow, that was fast. What a turnaround. This is Inger Capitals. Amazing as fuck. You are superstars. You're about to make some very hungover people very happy. I thought, what about my speech?

That was all right, wasn't it? Yeah, but you did all of the interviewing of the people you may you know all the gags that came out in the room were actually yours i was just a guy with the wood i was just a guy shouting no i just i just and waving i just think it's of interest because this is a show ultimately about us and we're both very different and the dynamic is that i probably just put a lot of prep in and just work hard at it and it's fine and you've just got it baby i think uh but i think if you if you were sort of like i was we basically needed a way of recording them so we got a microphone we've got a recording device

and we've got all the wires that connect there's a boom mic it's a boom in the fucking studio mate in the office but like it's, but it's just like, well, the message was, when you're out and about recording in the deepest, darkest, wherever, you don't always have everything you need. And that was kind of like the message, sort of going,

sometimes it's more fun and you're going to have to sort of improvise a little bit. I think the message might have been lost. I think people were just like... Yes, it was. I think they were just like... Yes, it was. I think they were tired from a day of interesting talks. The most fascinating thing about it for me was that a load of people at the start didn't want to do it, but they all did do it.

Yeah, but by the end. Yeah, they didn't want to do it, but by the end. And a lot of them just wanted to do what they did. I had an actual extra section, but we didn't have time. I had a good time. You had less of a good time. We didn't get any love hearts. I was very upset.

On every table, there was a packet of love hearts. Personalised love hearts. Oh, nice. I love love hearts. I love anything love heartsy. I love palmer violets. I love anything like that, really.

On love hearts, just quickly, did you ever use them for the purpose they were designed to be used for? Were you too frightened? Well, like hand them out, sort of going, yeah. Well, maybe

I would sort of do that a couple of times in a pack, but then I'd eat the rest of them. But you'd sort of hand them out. But then they started using stuff like, they used to try to update them in the sort of year 2000 with words like email. Yeah, I saw that. It didn't say email mates, it said email. Or

you know, text. It doesn't mean email me. It said email or text. It doesn't mean anything. Do you know that I remember once watching an episode of Question Time, which is a fucking hellscape now, by the way. It was years ago, though. And there was a guy called Bob Crow, who was a union leader, I think for the RMT, I want to say. He's the guy who did the job that Mick Lynch guy does now

that everyone thinks is amazing. I think he was like the mentor to him and he would go on um he was like an i mean he basically a you know a communist so i'm not i'm not suggesting i support his political position but he was a really interesting character and a very um a very kind of like competent man at his job right and that's what we've seen with that mick lynch guy right he's just good at it job right and that's what we've seen with that mick lynchcon right he's just good at it right and and so many politicians are so shit that they look bad because he's good right so bob crowe is a bit like that and so he would be like a

fascinating guy there's a quite a really it's a really interesting kind of idea underpinning a lot of that left leftist politics where a lot of people are quite autodidactic. They've grown up in quite poor areas. They've worked really hard. They've taught themselves by being voracious readers and they've really pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and that's a powerful kind of message. But what it means is

they've got a really rough set of edges a lot of the time. So Bob Crowe would literally be at Down Mill Wall having a big old row on a Saturday and three or four days later he'd be on Question Time. Right. But being quite good. Right.

This is quite an interesting kind of juxtaposition. But anyway, speaking of email, I can remember and you can probably dig out the episode if you really cared enough.

Like there was a talk about how the country was bankrupt. It might have been around 2008 actually. Maybe. And they were talking about raising money and how like obviously Bob Crowumb was massively against austerity didn't want

services to be cut because he said my people my workers they need this they need the jobs all the rest of it and so they and they came to him and said okay well how would you raise the money right which is a fair point you know if you need to save the money how are you going to raise the money and he had no idea what to say he obviously hadn't prepared for it and this was in 2008 by the way it's just not like it was 1994 he just went um on the hop he just went i charge um one penny for every email sent i looked the room was just like silent everyone was like uh okay didn't really expect that it's just the weirdest suggestion ever what i like that he's thought about it he's thought about it and he's willing to just put it out there run it past the

grandkids run it past the grandkids and he must have thought and he must have thought that like you know this will shut him up bet no one's ever thought this because there is that sweet spot when it comes to ideas where if no one's thought of it before or actively suggested it, it's either a genius idea or it's the worst idea ever. Yeah, completely agree. That's definitely one of those. Anyway, let's have a quick break, Peter. When we come back, we'll do those promised fish and chips

themed correspondences that we talked about on Thursday. Exciting, right? Lovely. All right. Smashing. We're back with a look at Pete Shaw. themed correspondences that we talked about on Thursday exciting right lovely alright smashing we're back with the Luke and Pete show we're basically like every Monday

and Thursday you get it's like a sort of like a special release you don't know exactly what you're getting but you kind of know the major things

you know when you sort of buy a copy of FIFA FIFA 23 or whatever it's the same but it's slightly different yeah if you know what I mean where's the last it's the same but it's slightly different if you know what I mean where's the last

FIFA game apparently obviously EA have stopped working with FIFA what's the story there by the way

why is it the last one I think they were just paying a lot of money for a licence that stands for quite a toxic brand FIFA being FIFA

I suppose I don't know and they realised that by sort of working individually with clubs and stuff and players... So they'll still do the game but it'll be called

St. Kels or something? Oh yeah, I think it's just called EA Soccer or EA Sports Soccer or something like that. So they've got enough money to probably buy the players' likenesses.

And we're like that, are we? Because we've become a toxic brand. Is that what you're saying? No, we've been working with toxic brands.

But... By the way, did you see like literally the other day set blatter said yeah the catar woke up was a shit idea amazing amazing like he he literally opened the fucking envelope like why like absolute kind of like right i know this shit idea i know this i well not even a shit idea i know this has massive issues I know it does but you know fucking trolls having a go at me aren't they but then he gets to like a week before

the fucking start of the tournament and he goes yeah I might hedge me bets here I might hedge me bets here he's got no he's got no

he's banned isn't he so I guess he's got no other way of influencing things and being a centre of attention I suppose but anyway carry on carry on

so Luke and Peach are a bit like FIFA 23 I'm not sure why but you're going with that yeah you know what you're going to get

there's going to be slight improvements every time but probably not the improvements you want but apparently the new the first

so FIFA are going to have their own set of games I think so FIFA are going to license their own games and I don't know how they're going to do that but the first set of games is so the first game to use its uh branding fifa

following the end of its long-term partnership with a year will be a web3 blockchain title about it's just you just know that's how they're gonna go that's where they're gonna go so it's good it sounds like it's gonna be an absolute load of trash fantastic in the industry we're in part of my job is to speak to other companies and work out

what's going on and sometimes they approach us sometimes we approach them and I actually had to on one occasion with our

friend and colleague I had to just say look I don't know what this is this is the first time I've sat in an work meeting and I'm taking notes and I'm listening I don't know what's happening and on that basis

we can't be involved because before I know it I'm basically the podcasting new media equivalent of the the poor old lady who's had a money state a building society book taken by some double glazing guy you know i have no idea what you look seriously i was sitting there thinking i understand one in five words i don't know what you're talking about and so i think that's a big barrier because i don't think i'm completely fucking stupid that's gotta be a big barrier the um there's um uh a person i think we both know who is who works in television and he's got a um and he's kind of the not really sort of blockchain stuff but he's kind of meta he's the metaverse expert because he's a he's very internet savvy he's grown up around the internet he knows what a meme is he's a funny fucker and he um and everyone because he's been tasked with like looking into how television can be represented in the metaverse, he's accidentally become the metaverse expert in his kind of field sort of thing.

And he, I'm not sure he's that into it, but he, he's, he's kind of fallen into it a little bit as being the expert on like AI generation and also metaverse stuff. But that's how how that's how careers are forged that's how it's our guy gomer started and and if anyone can if anyone can find uh sense in uh some really weird places it'll be that moment that person because he's very on safer ground we did promise fish and chips yeah chat didn't we and um this has its genesis in a week or so ago when i said that i don't know how we got talking about it but i said the price gouging on delivery for fish and chips was mad and everyone that really i mean i felt like alan partridge at the time and a lot of times i still do but everyone

seemed to resonate with everyone so i also said in that um as a little preface to this i said that um i would rather have baked beans with my fish and chips than mushy peas and i knew when i said that i was going to get in a bit ofhy peas and i knew when i said that i was going to get in a bit of trouble and then i'll be honest with you i don't want to throw him under the bus because he's not got a mic here to defend himself but i mean i'll just i'll just present it as a statement of fact rory then producer rory then put that as a poll on twitter um to really kind of fan the flames and but um in the poll where the option was would you rather have beans

or mushy peas, do you know how many people, do you know the result of this poll, Pete, or do you want to guess? I saw it, then forgot it. So it's absolutely fine. How many people do you reckon said baked beans? Given that mushy peas

is the traditional accompaniment in this country, how many people do you think said baked beans when Given that Mushy Peas is the traditional accompaniment in this country, how many people do you think said baked beans when I thought I was going out on a limb? Will you make it sound like it might be as high as 35%? It's 42%. 42%? I wasn't far away. Yeah, okay. 58% voted baked beans with fish and chips is rank.

I think chips can get quite dry after a while. You need something wet. So I think having a bit of bean juice sloshing around the

bottom, isn't that a better thing maybe I'm thinking. Yeah. It's difficult, isn't it? I was surprised with the solidarity shown.

So the people who listen to the show that I kind of know a bit or I'm friends with in real life, my old boss in my old job came on the WhatsApp and said, I'm with you, mate. I'm baked beans.

And then my friend Heather, who listens to the show, shout out to you, Heather, she said that she preferred baked beans and she loves it. As long as there's a bit of curry sauce involved at some point as well, she's fine with it.

So I feel like I've stumbled upon something inadvertently here that I never knew existed. existed but anyway that's the preface to this we started talking about fish and chip shops we got a couple of emails so i was going to read a couple out that's okay with you peter um that's okay yeah one is from james hello to you james he says hello guys just listening to monday show and thought i'd offer my two cents regarding price gouging on delivery apps and this is actually i found this quite interesting and it's not something i'd considered so So I thought I'd just share the wealth

with the listenership. So I was in my local chippy a while back after a few jars, lad, and decided to call them out. He's got a bit of Dutch courage. As they do the same as you, as your local chippy, and almost doubling their prices

on delivery and Uber Eats. They told me they'd do it, and this is the key point, because they didn't particularly want to start doing the whole app delivery thing in the first place because it would be too much work. It's a small family run shop. But then someone said to them that you can

bump the price up and basically put your own prices on there and make it worth your while. So they thought, why not? And then James ends the email by saying it seems fair enough that people are willing to pay the inflated price and it hasn't harmed their business. Look, I still totally agree. You don't have to do it for delivery.

You're paying for the convenience. I get it. That's clearly why they're doing it. That makes perfect sense to me. Yeah. Yeah. No, I completely agree. I think that's fair.

It's their business at the end of the day. If you don't like it, get off your bum and go and get it yourself. And that's why we'll be paying. We'll be charging, actually, to deliver this episode, we'll be charging people a tenner. And if they want to come to us and get it directly, they can why we'll be paying we'll be charging actually to deliver this episode we'll be charging people a tenner and if they want to come to us we don't want to do it and get it directly

they can for free we don't want to we don't want to record it and then just finally I love this email from Richard Cook hello to you Richard who's emailed us

all the way from the island of Tyree in the west of Scotland which is an amazing email to receive personally because I love Scotland and you know I love the islands and in the west of Scotland which is an amazing email to to receive personally because I love Scotland you know I love the islands and all the rest of it and I was under the impression really not many people at all live there and it looks like having checked it it's only a you know a handful of hundred people live there and he's emailed in saying please find a taxed

one of the most remote chip shops on the island of Tyree. It has a fish supper available for £9.25. It's Tyree's only chip shop, and the food is fantastic. And he's included a little photo of a beautiful blue and yellow little shack or hut. And I just thought, you know what? That's an idyllic scene, and it was great to know that someone is listening and getting involved all the way from Tyree. So lovely stuff. Lovely stuff.

Nice to hear someone from such a remote part. Definitely. And Tyree is apparently really good for windsurfing. It holds like a big windsurfing event. It's apparently referred to as the Hawaii of the North, although I think that's a bit of a stretch personally. But yeah, good stuff. Interesting, right? Yeah.

Good stuff. Lovely old show. All right, that's it. I think, Peter, this is anything else from you? That's been the Luke and Pete show. No, let's get over here. I think we've said everything we can on the matter that is the Luke and Pete show.

We'll be back on Thursday, the 17th of November, which we all recognise as being the day after the 16th of November. Definitely, and that's just a few days before I'm off to the US for Thanksgiving, mate. It's back on after COVID. Oh, let's have some pies. Let's have an orange-coloured pie and some cream on the top. And let's have a big turkey leg. Why are you talking like Alan Bennett?

What's he got to do with Thanksgiving? And Dudley. And Peter. And we had a pie. Where's that come from? Oh, dear. Right. See you later. We'll be back soon.

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