The Luke and Pete Show - Dreams, Dumps and Defragmentation

Episode Date: February 4, 2021

On today’s show, Luke shares some peculiar news on the evolution of Wombats and we head over to Twitter to hear which politician Pete’s been arguing with. Elsewhere, the boys discuss sleep-talking before receiving a highly anticipated email from the ultimate hard drive Yoda and A NEW PLAYER ENTERS THE GAME. Don’t miss out!Got any news about random animal droppings or politicians you've argued with online? Get in touch over at [e-mail] or via Instagram and Twitter at @lukeandpeteshow!If you've read this far down, you really should go and give us a review on Apple Podcasts or wherever you're listening. 5 stars will do. Cheers! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

and we're back with luke and pete shaw it is a thursday are you ready for an email about defragmenting a hard drive we're ready to give it to you i'm pete donaldson i'm joined by luke mo how the devil are you luke mo very well thank you you have to earn the right to hear that email though so you've got to go through the first half of the show to get past the ad break to then hear the the defrag special. Yeah, because what we'll do is you can't just skip forward where you're plus 30 seconds or plus 15 seconds because in the middle of the Defrag chat,

I'll just shout random stuff. Duck, missile silo, grass. That's it. And you'll be confused. You'll just be confused. You'll never find it. All right? Okay?

Do you remember like video games back in the day where you'd buy them and there'd be confused. You'll just be confused. You'll never find it. All right? Okay? Do you remember like video games back in the day where you'd buy them and there'd be like some kind of copy protection inside? There'd be like a map you had to sort of follow or like a lens-based little puzzle you had to solve. Yeah. And it was paper-based. So you would prove that you would actually, you hadn't just copied it off a friend because these paper things

were really hard to photocopy. Yeah. i don't really understand what the point of that was well it was i mean so somebody um somebody just you know tape to tape copied the data from one video game tape to another or a disc or a cd whatever um yeah you wouldn't have the paper version of the thing and if you tried to photocopy the paper version, it was too complicated and it wouldn't copy properly because of the colours. It would often ruin the experience for any games players who had the arrogance to be colourblind, so they couldn't play any of the games.

But yeah. I remember some games you had to load up and then you had to go and it would give you a grid reference. any of the games uh but yeah and some sort of i remember um i'm just gonna say i remember going when some games you had to load up and then you had to go and it would give you a grid reference you have to correspond it with a piece of paper and type in the code or you couldn't or the other or there'd be a manual kind of check where it would sort of go right paragraph five page seven uh word two tell me what that word is and stuff when you type it in and it was very tedious but you get in eventually. You know earlier you mentioned the phrase missile silo.

Have you ever seen a missile silo? I mean, isn't it just a blank kind of bit of waste ground that they've put a lot of missiles in the ground? I don't know. What do you mean? I can't really picture what it would look like. Right. Okay. So like,

I mean, I presume it would just be a lot of, a lot of aircraft hangars, wouldn't it? And underground, I mean, presumably some of them

will be, will be kept underground as well, no? Yeah. When I was, when I was working at the bank call center.

Very much like a missile silo. You're correct. Well, sometimes you'd have to do a satellite shift. I can see where you're going with this. Yeah.

Sometimes you'd have to do a satellite shift and there'd be no you're going with this. Yeah. Sometimes you'd have to do a Saturday shift and there'd be no managers in it. It'd be boring. So you'd try and squeeze in like little phrases to the calls that came in or you would transfer calls just to your mate's mobile phone just for a laugh. And at one point I remember a man cracking,

like completely cracking because I asked him, he said his card wasn't working. And I said, have you ever, have you been close to any secret military facilities that could have wiped your card? And he's screaming, how would I fucking know if it's fucking secret? I like that. That's what that reminded me of.

Did you know, by the way, a completely random interruption to this chat, change in trends completely. I mean, I saw a news article that said, and the headline was, scientists finally discover why wombat poo comes out in cubes, right? Right. Did you know that wombat poo was cube-shaped? I think I did. It's a soft kind of cube, though, isn't it?

It's like an old Remigel. Do you remember those little sweets? Yeah, it's exactly like a brown Remigel, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing because what's happened is over time, because they used to, apparently, because they lived traditionally, and I don't know if they still do,

they traditionally lived on hillsides, right? And they wanted to mark out territory by taking shits everywhere, as we all do, you know. And apparently, evolutionarily speaking, the more square the turd, the less chance it's got of rolling down the hill. Rolling down the hill, right. So it's a much more effective territory marker. So in the lower intestine, they've got this bit of their lower intestine

where they can make the poo more cube-shaped. Isn't that remarkable? It's remarkable because it's a leg of kind of an animal incrementally improving its life that just seems so kind of like, all right, you've marked your territory, your poo's rolled off the hill, so the more cubey ones, the more cubey wombats are the ones who have maintained their position alive effectively. It just seems, out of all of the things that they could wish for,

I think they probably could have wished for big tusks or something. I think they would have preferred having wings or something. You know what I mean? Could we have just had like really sharp, could we be poisonous? Could we be poisonous to birds or whatever's going to eat us? Unbelievable. Imagine that God coming down and saying, don't worry wombats, I've got something for you. You're going to be us. Imagine it. Imagine God coming down and saying, don't worry, wombats, I've got something for you.

You're going to be fine. Do you like Lego? What is it? What is it? Is it like massive claws with poisoned hips? No, not really. All right, go and take a shit. Notice anything funny?

It's so underwhelming. Yeah, it really is underwhelming. If evolution is true and it's not the strongest or the fastest or the cleverest animals that survive, it's the animals that are most adaptive to change, how do dads exist? What do you mean? As in they're quite...

Dads hate change. They do hate change. They don't like anything that changes. No, you can't change the furniture around in your dad's living room. It goes mental. Now, thermostats, pronouns, they are very much one rule. One rule must stay the same forever because their whole worldview will just go out the window and they'll have a terrible time.

As you said once before, Pete, why can dads know everything there is to know about different types of tanks, but not understand pronouns? Yeah, yeah. I mean, whenever you tweak a really softball bit of political commentary, loose, very loosely termed.

A.K.A. Donaldson special. A little Pete Donaldson special. Bloody rich coming from you, sunshine. I've seen your output. Mine aren aren't softballs are they mine are quite quite abrasive but you you really can just write the simplest uh platitude and it'll get retweeted a bazillion times although i can work on a little funny video featuring a footballer or something and it gets retweeted by two people. I can work all night at that.

But if I go, Tories are bad, retweet a million times. My take on that though, Pete, is that you regularly fall at the final hurdle. There'll be some kind of detail that you would have missed and it'll fuck it up. And it'll be something like you'll do it all night and then you'll link to the wrong video in your tweet or something. Yeah, then you just delete it and then put it up again. Yeah, no, I agree.

I just don't understand why simple political platitudes get retweeted more than any other. There was a guy, I really want to do it. There was a guy, I can't remember. He's just a nasty little conservative politician in America. Virgin. And he was going on about masks. He's going masks how many masks

you got to wear now two ten a hundred and he's got massive fucking ears because he used to be a wrestler

and he's got big cauliflower ears and I wrote about where you probably hang a few of your fucking plates and then I just deleted it

deleted it I'm like shaming a man's ears for doing a bit of wrestling you what you've bottled that bottled that massively bottled it you like wrestling as well I do like, what a shame in a man's ears for doing a bit of wrestling. You what? You've bottled that. Bottled that. Massively bottled that.

You like wrestling as well. I do like wrestling. Not the kind of, you know, crotch-grabby kind of floor wrestling that you feature in the Olympics. It's the larger-than-life steroid-infused hell men. That's what I like. That's true. And I also think that on the kind of current generation of those blokes,

they're certainly under the age of 30. They're very right wing in a kind of, I want to be controversial for the sake of it kind of way. You're kind of Lawrence Fox's, but younger. Those types. You get them in the UK, you get them in the US, and there is not one of them that wouldn't be instantly cured of their mad neuroses and idiot leanings if they just had full,

consensual full contraception once. That's all that needs to happen, right? Listen, as men, we've all been there. You have some pretty strongly held ideas about things, and then you grow up a bit. What happens is generally one of two things, right? A woman or a man pays you some kind of sexual attention, and that relieves quite a lot of the tension. You've realized that you've now entered adulthood as you were. You know, it's a tradition as old as the hills, right? Or a bigger boy punches you in the face right if you don't

have one of those two things happening preferably both at some point in your adolescence you turn into someone like that paul watson guy or um what was the other one called um charlie kirk and all those types they just need to calm down a bit get a bit of release of some tension in some way and they probably weren't paid attention by their parents at some point either that just needs to be sorted and everything will be fine yeah but i mean like i mean women or men have to have sex with them so that's the problem it's very much like the um yeah the virgins that are promised to terrorists. So, like, they didn't ask to be part of this shit.

I've got sex with terrorists now, have I? I've got sex with John Paul, whatever his fucking name is. Oh, brilliant. Cool. Just to stop him being a cunt. They were still there, weren't they? Hang on a minute. I'm a reward now, am I?

I'm a reward for someone. Brilliant. So, hang on. I'm a virgin. In this faith system that I've found myself in, I've kept myself so-called pure and perfect. I happened to find myself dead

and now I've got to have sex with a terrorist. If I'm alive, I've got to have sex with a fascist. Unbelievable. It's like in Curb Your Enthusiasm where he redoes his vows with Cheryl and they have a big bust up because she wants him to say

that they'll be in love and married forever. And he says, no, I'm not committing to after death. I'll give it to you till death. I'm not committing to after that because we don't know what's happening after that. So there's a big argument about it. It's a bit like that.

Oh, lordy. I've got a bit of a tickly cough. Uh-oh, everyone. It's not great. It's not great. It's buying that Chinese on Saturday, I'll tell you what. But don't worry, Luke. I've got on my finger, can you see it?

Yes, I can. Little pulse oximeter. It's got blood pressure. No, I've got a blood pressure thing because I found out that, you know, my granada had a heart attack when he was 50, which I didn't know about. So I thought I'll keep on top of my blood pressure. It's heading in the wrong direction.

Let's make that very clear. But I bought a little pulse oximeter. Oximeter. Oximeter. And you can find out how much oxygen you've got in your blood because obviously that's the thing that when it gets very low, you've got to think about ringing the 999. It's got to be 95% or higher, isn't it?

Well, it seems that's what I mean. So any lower than 95, you're starting to get into a bit of trouble. It just seems like that 95 is a very high standard to hit. I thought that when I saw it. I've got a Garmin watch and mine's the same, and I looked into it, and it said that this particular measure is very useful for if you are exercising at altitude or going mountain climbing or something. It gives you a good idea of when you're going to start to suffer

from altitude sickness and stuff. But if it goes below 95, you want to really be making an appointment at the hospital, and I just ended up turning it off because it just stressed me out, which then meant, ironically, my Garmin measurement for stress went really high. I wasn't sleeping, and that fucked the sleep bit up, and I had to kind of turn it off. So what's your saying on your oximeter?

What's that saying? Well, I'm 98, and doctors who, I mean, imagine if any doctors listen, but I'm fairly certain a couple of health professionals uh do but um i'm fairly certain that because it's a led uh light that's putting um putting uh light through your finger um it it's it's better done when you're not in front of very very um you know changeable lights so i think doing it in front of a computer monitor is probably uh not a great thing to do. But, yeah, fascinating little gadget. And I imagine there's a lot of variation in quality from the different ones. But the BBC, I think, recommended that it's not a bad thing to have in your back pocket.

Of course, we talked about this before, with any technological advance, and certainly consumer electronics, they test it on very, very few people. They test it on a very certain amount of people. Apparently these pulse oximeters are not great for black people. Their skin has, I presume, a bit more pigment in it, and it can't fire the light through the fingers. So it's not as accurate as it is on Caucasians, which is just another example of the world just being a fucking nightmare for a lot of people.

That's really poor. But for accuracy of data generally, because I did some research into this before I bought my watch, it's best to wear it while you sleep. That's when you get the best data because, like, I think it's able to much more accurately assess what's happening because you're not doing anything else. Yeah, and you're not moving around and the light's not changing. It's kind of one thing.

And I guess like with oxygen in your blood, it probably goes way down when you're asleep because you're not breathing in any way. You don't know that. You are breathing when you sleep. That's definitely happening. I'm fairly certain you don't breathe when you sleep. No, I mean like you don't breathe as strongly.

You're kind of very relaxed. But you're still oxygenating your blood, aren't you? Yeah, but you're sick no i mean like you don't breathe as strongly you're kind of very relaxed but you're still oxygenating your blood aren't you yeah but you're not going that's how i breathe during the day because i'm constantly so i'm constantly angry at the things i say i'm just constantly angry it's the only time i get off from being angry the one thing that has concerned me about the old garmin is that it measures your different type of sleep now i don't think it's that accurate actually i think my assessment of of the of the watch and it is a very good watch it's a vivo active 4s for those that are oh i've gone off your big um submarine watch you had oh you wear that for special occasions oh um but it's too bulky to wear every day yeah so my all i ever do is wear tracksuit bottoms now i don't really wear a big watch it's like a tin of tuna on your arm it is a bit and um yeah and um but i was gonna say the um

the the garment's good but i think for stress levels and for sleep it's kind of interesting on one level but i don't think it's that accurate and the reason i say that is because the other day on sunday i was sat down down um Mimi had gone out for a walk and I was sat down there and I thought you know what I'm gonna put a record on right and I put a record on my record player and sat in the living room doing nothing else just listening to an album that I like and um about half an hour into it I got an alert on my watch saying take a break you seem very stressed at the moment ironically this is the least stressed I've been in about six months. So surely,

I mean, listening to music, it's, it, it, it, you know, it gives you something,

doesn't it? It makes you excitable, doesn't it? Maybe it can be misrepresented as stress, but the other thing that's quite ironic about it is that I've started to, it's the way the brain works is fascinating because, so on the sleep measure, it says that I get quite a good amount of sleep, but a lot of my sleep is light sleep or REM sleep.

And it also measures, so it measures three stages of sleep, light REM and deep sleep, right? Yeah. And you're supposed to get, I average, I think about an hour and a half deep sleep a night. And I only ever really get about half an hour, which in turn, now I know that fact, has made me feel more tired. But I didn't know that. I felt absolutely fine.

Yeah, yeah. It's made it worse. My partner a couple of days ago, asleep, just suddenly announces, wake me up. Just asks me to wake up she has she gets this thing where she is is it locked where she's locked in where she's awake but she can't move her limbs and she can't wake up properly horrible yeah um but yeah but she she went wake me up i was like what i'm not doing that i'm not doing that that's this seems like a trap but uh yeah she's got that she was she was insisting that I woke her up.

And so I've decided I'm just going to wake her up every morning just by being fucking loud. Yeah. Do you have, in your house, do you have lists of things that can't be done while the other person's still asleep? No, but we are both in the house recording things for broadcast so um apparently uh i'm i'm i'm not very fleet of finger when it comes to um typing and uh and especially when i'm doing a

podcast i'm uh i'm rather shouty which sometimes can be heard on absolute radio if you listen very carefully but then the dogs get involved and start screaming anyway, so it's fine. Oh, it's true, actually, yeah. So you've got dogs, so it might be a bit different. So our house, if the other person isn't asleep, it is understood that the person who's awake will not empty the dishwasher or hoover.

Oh, yeah, I mean, that's fair. I mean, that's standard stuff. I mean, I find the whole, I love being quiet. I love getting up before the pit and I love kind of like trying to be as quiet as I can. But the problem with living in a house that's older than one year old is that the floor's constantly creaking. It's really loud.

House noises are crazy, don't you think? There's not enough made of house noises. Our boiler goes, ooh, when it's working. It just goes, but like whistles. House noises are fucking crazy. I hear so much shit when I'm lying in bed and everyone's asleep.

I wake up round a bit at two in the morning. Everyone's asleep in the block or the terrace. And you still hear mad stuff. You can convince yourself. I understand it's evolutionary because obviously it's more beneficial for you to suspect that it it's something bad so it kind of gets you on edge but i mean the amount of noises that house make houses make are fucking crazy in my opinion but

my partner also thinks that like she she loses the door open because she thinks someone's coming upstairs to to get her and i just think i spend a lot of time with people who have done a lot of shit in their life that they're scared someone's going to get them for. I'm completely, if I'm in bed, I'm like,

leave the door open, close the door, I don't care. I've not done anything bad enough for someone to chase me with a big knife. So if it happens, I'll be annoyed

but I know it wasn't anything personal. Played the numbers game and you lost, that's just unfortunate. But surely if someone's after you, you want to close all the doors, no? Yeah, but it's only going

to slow them down briefly. I can't lock myself in every door, can I? Especially when the dog wants to go in and out. That's true. And have you still got access to the dogs?

How is the access? Yeah, dogs fine. One of them is very into waking up every hour. I mean, very into that of care. And just sort of going for a poo or a wee in the garden it's yeah

do you have to get up and let them out yeah because you can't you can't there's a lot of dog nappings happening at the moment you can't just be leaving dogs

to wander around the garden willy nilly right you know people are in lockdown and people want dogs there's a lot of people you'll probably notice it

around your area people are getting new puppies and stuff but it seems to be happening quite a lot around here as well. There's a lot of people. You'll probably notice it around your area. People are getting new puppies and stuff, but it seems to be happening quite a lot around here as well. Yeah. There's a lovely one. Do they? Yeah.

I mean, cats sort of roll around, don't they? Yeah, you could. I would always assume that cats would be like chipped better than dogs. I don't know why. Yeah, they've got microchips in them, yeah. Yeah. And there's a new dog over the road. Oh, Deep State, isn't it?

It's the Deep State. Deep State, mate. It's 5G. It's the space laser. There's a dog that's arrived over the road, a new puppy, an unbelievably adorable little kind of sausage dog looking thing. And it's called Jaeger, Jaeger. And I really want to ask whether it's named after Chuck Jaeger,

the late fighter pilot, or Jaeger Bob. Digressionist. Yeah, which is it? Can't tell which. I think it might be the former. It has to be, surely. It has to be. Speaking of space lasers, I saw a really funny news headline

the other day. It was actually in Vanity Fair, which is a publication you mentioned on Monday. It reminded me of it as well. This headline's brilliant. Listen to this. Republicans can't believe Democrats don't want to work with them just because of the guns and the death threats and the congresswoman who thinks Jews started the California wildfires with space lasers.

That woman in particular is astonishing. She's an amazing piece of work. That woman, if she was living in medieval times, they wouldn't let her milk a fucking cow. Let's make that absolutely clear. She would not be out of anyone's sight at any point. How on earth she's an elected representative of the people is beggar's belief.

Somebody tweeted things out going, you heard the Republicans going, oh, we're being censored for our views. Oh, what? The small government, limited taxation. I go, nah, not them views. Yeah, exactly. The other ones.

I also like the guy who made a complete prick of himself to the point of where a publishing company, a private enterprise, no longer wanted to publish his book, so he launched a massive campaign against the First Amendment of the Constitution. Mate, I don't think that covers private company publishing houses, to be perfectly honest. I mean, for goodness sake.

It's absolutely ridiculous. It's like someone busting into this show now, us telling them they couldn't be on the show, and them saying, well, this is a freedom of speech issue. This is censorship. It's not. Start your own podcast if you want. Pay to publish your own book.

Do you know what I mean? It's ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. Oh, lordy. Anyway, let's have a quick break, and when we come back, we'll do a couple more emails. We'll do one email about defragment.

Yeah, exactly. See you in a minute. This week at Sukarnov. Over at Self Care Club, wellness road tested. Lauren and Nicole discussed intuitive eating and rebelling against diet culture. Actually, I'm really proud of myself that I did that because it was hard. And it was bloody brave to actually stand up and say, you know what? I choose my life. I choose to have quality of life. I choose to be two dress sizes bigger and much fucking happier for it. For even more great content, there's also a brand new episode of Between the Lines with Melissa Reddy, who sat down with Borussia Mönchengladbach's

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All that and a whole lot more at Sucarnov. All right, so Luke and Pete at Defrag Shore. Top tips on how to defragment your magnetic hard drive platters. Luke, I'm joined by the main defrag daddy, Luke Moer, and he's going to tell you about a man defragging his hard drive. I'm very much the student. Simon, who's emailed in to hello at lukeandpetecher.com, is very much the Yoda in this situation.

Right, okay. And I'm a very early Luke Skywalker. We're on Dagobah. Is it Dagobah? I can't get confused. Yeah, I don't know. Anyway, without further ado, the most eagerly anticipated email in Luke and Peach show history is here.

And Simon, I'll let him pick up the story. He says, Chaps, it's rare I can contribute anything approaching usefulness to your show, but on the subject of defragmenting aka defragging hard drives i finally feel like i can here we go older hard drives are made of spinning platters of metal with a head that moves across it to read or write data as the platter spins underneath it when a file is written to disk the operating system needs to figure out where on the disk to place the data, and very often, especially after prolonged use, the disk gets quite fragmented,

meaning there isn't a block of continuous space big enough to fit the entire file in, so the files are broken up, aka fragmented, and written on different parts of the platter. This means when a file needs to be read, the head has to physically move around, making the file read quite slow. De-fragmenting is when the operating system reorganizes the disk so that all files are stored contiguously to make the reading faster. Jump forward to modern solid-state drives, and there is no head,

and accessing any part of a disk happens in the same amount of time. So, for example, you could read or write the first and last blocks on the disk in the same time as two adjacent blocks this means it doesn't matter if the files are fragmented anymore so there's no point doing any defragmentation. Note that the type of read where the disk is required to read from an arbitrary location is called random access hence the term random access memory or ram hope this is enlightening if not a little dull cheers lads keep up the good work simon now that is the kind of contribution we actively endorse and encourage on this show i feel like i've learned something today peter yeah all right i'll i'll tear that one If you've ever seen a hard drive spinning up and reading data, because obviously the hard drive has to be protected from the elements, dust and wind and rain. And if you've ever seen one doing its business, its dirty hard drive business without the shielding off the top of it, it does its thing so quickly and so efficiently and finds the right spot on the platter so quickly and efficiently.

It's like you always say about technology and stuff, like magic. It's exactly the same as what I imagine magic to be. I do not know how computers do it so quickly, figure out precisely which bit of data it needs and go to that precise bit at that speed. 5,300 revolutions per minute. It's incredibly quick. How do people even invent that?

And also, we haven't even started talking about quantum computing yet, partly because we can't, because I don't understand it. Maybe we are. In a different world, we are. Yeah, probably. It's going to happening at some point in the in the space-time continuum but some so quantum computers can do millions and millions of things like that but at the same time right yeah but wait but surely you're bottlenecked by

the rest of the physical space if you're writing that data to disk um maybe simon can help us with this exactly yeah if you're gonna give us the the 3d space that we're in now i love the idea that simon only the only thing simon knows is this it doesn't the only thing yeah we should also include before we go we should also include some new battery brands peter um big chiefall on Twitter sent in a Mustang. That's not a new player. Simon James sent in... I'll tell you what, this might actually be

a new player entering the game. Have we had a judo battery before? Oh, no, I don't think we have, actually. I think I'd remember that. Does it come in a little kind of... a little judo suit? No, that'd be amazing if it did. I'd love that.

It's not got a little black belt wrapped around it. Judo is a new player. It's not got a little black belt wrapped around it. Judo is a new player. That's entered the game. Congratulations to you, Simon. Another Simon with technology. It's all going off. And Jake Johnson sent in Warriors.

The Warriors are not a new player, sadly. But thank you very much for sending them in. I can see from the picture they are made in China. They have Warriors written on them and they are gold. But I've seen them before. That is not a new player entering the game, I'm sorry to say. Warriors. Yeah, thank you for all your

batteries. Excellent stuff. That's enough. That's it. Get out of it. Take it away. Take it away. My hard drive platter is spinning down. I do kind of look at, you know, the guy talking about defragmenting hard drives and stuff. that's kind of how my brain is operating at the moment yeah i just how do we get defrag maybe we could sort of start some kind of um wellness possibly

yoga based kind of um system or scheme uh and get a little special on Netflix about, I don't know, social defragmentation or brain defragmentation, ordering your thoughts. That's what it's all about. How do you reckon that knowledge and memory and stuff is actually printed onto your brain? How do you think the recall of that actually works? Because there's so many different types.'s like memory there's like things that you can do automatically so for example you never think about the fact that your heart's constantly

beating right or that you're blinking or that you're breathing but your brain's having to do that for you so yeah it's interesting it'll be interesting to know the difference between that and then something that's been learned like for example driving a car or flying a plane or doing an equation which has been learned and been printed onto your brain somehow and how that differs from the automatic kind of involuntary stuff you know do we know anybody who uh i was reading a piece about um uh people who had um lobotomies um do we know anyone who's had who's had such an invasive, barbaric thing? Because they still did versions of them up until like the 90s. It's one of those things where you sort of think that it was done in like,

you know, the 60s and they stopped. They didn't. It was going on for a very, very long time. And there are people still alive who feel like they can't, they don't want anyone to know about the fact that they were lobotomized when they were younger and all of these sort of mental illnesses and mental compulsions that doctors decided they could get rid of just by literally

just fucking hooking a bit of fucking cells out of the front of the lobe, temporal lobe, isn't it? Through the eyeball. There will be people that are walking among us who have had these barbaric operations done on them. And I'd love to sort of hear from someone's experience. So I recommend the book, The Psychopath Test by John Ronson. He talks about not just lobotomy,

but also electroconvulsive therapy. Electro-shock therapy, yeah. Yeah, which is another- Lou Reed had it, didn't he? Say again? Lou Reed had it, didn't he? Did he really? I didn't know that.

Okay, so yeah, those kind of things are more prevalent than you think. I mean, I don't know quite how late they went on in America, but they went on quite late. I mean, later than perhaps people would be comfortable to admit. So, yeah, absolutely. Horrendous stuff. But I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, crazy, crazy.

I mean, we've got to the point where we're asking if any of our listeners have had lobotomies. That's a question we ask every week, I would say, when we look at the email box. In a different way. That's offensive, Peter, actually. You started off very sensitively, and now you've actually reduced it to the gutter. I'm disappointed in that. I'm going in with a hook. That's what I'm doing. offensive peter actually you started off very sensitively and now you've you've actually reduced it to the gutter i'm disappointed in that i'm going in with a hook that's what i'm doing

right uh let's get out of here this has been the looking peter thank you for joining us we'll be back on monday for more of this trash and dross if you want to get to the show uh do so email us that's the easiest way to do it hello at luke and pete show.com that's hello at luke and pete show.com look we got an instagram and everything aren. That's hello at LukeandPeteShow.com. Luke, we've got an Instagram and everything, haven't we? Yeah, at LukeandPeteShow is the Instagram. There's extra content.

There's little animations that look very good. They make Pete and I look very handsome. They don't make us look as old as we actually are. Yeah. And it's a nice place on...

Do you know what? Actually, having said all that, it's just a nice place on the internet and those places are few and far between these days. It's very wholesome.

Very fun. So go and follow at Luke and Pete Show on Instagram as well and as Pete says, we'll see you on Monday and we hope you have a lovely weekend.

All right. Peace out. See ya. This was a production and part of the ACAST Creative Network.