The Luke and Pete Show - Episode 112: Weetabix? Or Shredded Wheat?

Episode Date: November 1, 2018

Hello again, it's lovely to see you! Hope your week's going well. Allow us to try and brighten it up a bit with half an hour more conversation between two manchildren, punctuated by your stories, suggestions and observations.This time around, there's a lake on the top of a mountain in India with a load of skeletons in it, so we discuss the nature of death and how it affects us, Pete entertains the idea of having his own personal daemon, and we wonder why the people at Weetabix thought it was a good idea to use skinheads to advertise their product (clue: it was the 80s).To speak to us with a story of your own: [e-mail]***Please take the time to rate and review us on iTunes or wherever you get your pods. It means a great deal to the show and will make it easier for other potential listeners to find us. Thanks!*** Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Oh, when will it end? It's the Luke and Pete show. Pete Donaldson with you, joined by Mr. Luke Moore. How are you, Luke Moore? I'm bloody well, thanks. Yeah, you took your hat off. A.K.A. two frogs in a sock. Yeah.

Luke Moore and Pete Donaldson. We're getting funky. I've taken my hat off because there's a frog in it. How are you doing? I'm alright. Same as I was before really I guess. How's things? What's new? Well technically I'm still in Japan I think. Oh yeah you're in Japan at the moment aren't you? What's it like? I'm eating raw chicken every day in Izakaya's and over ordering food. That's what I'm doing. Usual stuff. Usual, usual nonsense. Welcome, if you are listening for the first time.

It's mad that you started at episode 112, but good on you. God bless you. You're very welcome. God bless you. Whatever your backstory. I'm Luke Moore. This is Pete Donson, of course. I wanted to talk a little bit about something I discovered a couple of weeks ago, I think,

and I promised people listening that I would maybe mention it. And it's about this lake, right, called Roopkund. Oh. It's a glacial lake in northern India, right up in the Himalayas, really. It's about 16,000 feet above sea level. So you're going to need to really want to go there. I don't think you're going to go. You're not going to sort of stumble upon it

on the way back from the pub or whatever. And it's a really sort of shallow, green-tinted lake, normally sort of covered by snow, and occasionally people who go past it are just mountain climbers or trekkers or whatever. But in Atlas Obscura, which I know is a website of your choice. Not a shifty little while.

I used to read it quite a lot when we started the little picture. There's some great stories in there. Well, Atlas Obscura reported that this particular lake, Roopkund, is actually also full of human skeletons. Wow. And I think it took them a while to work out why that was the case. Because for a large part of the year the lake is iced over anyway yeah um and we're not talking about three skeletons it's like an

absolutely full of them yeah um and so um they were discovered in the second world war i think in the mid i think some some british guy was was knocking about there and he's discovered them um and it was assumed that these were people who were trying to sneak into India. Japanese soldiers trying to sneak into India. Actually just perished. Just died. Perished.

But there's about 200 of them. In 2004 there was another study done that were dated back to about 850. The year 850. And it turns out that they were all killed by a ridiculous hailstorm. How about that? That's amazing. Where were they?

They were near... So I think they were, I don't know, just knocking about. They got caught in a... They were, I guess, a tribe of people knocking about, got caught in a big hailstorm. And when they studied their skeletons, there were just massive holes in their skulls and shoulders and stuff

and the kid just got wiped out. And it's not actually that uncommon. Apparently, not that long ago, two animals in a zoo in Colorado were killed by giant hail.

It can be really dangerous. Some of them don't mess around like smashing car windows and stuff like that. And plane nose cones as well. Right. If they fly through like a hail storm it almost inverts it. So you Google like that and uh plane nose cones as well right if they fly through like a hailstorm like it almost inverts it so you google like um hailstorm and and and plane they really

can do some bloody damage yeah apparently india is notorious for it holds the record for the deadliest hailstorm which in 1888 killed 246 people and an estimated 24 people per year on average are injured or killed in the US alone. I was talking to a mate while I was in Zimbabwe who I was working with, Dan, a really good bloke, and he's married to an Indian woman and I think her father passed away while they were out there. Or maybe he was sort of visiting for that very reason. And obviously back in the day,

they used to just throw the bodies in the Ganges. Right. Um, and now there's a, there's basically a rule on public transport in, uh, India in, uh,

Calcutta, I think it is, or Calcutta, um, that you're not allowed to transport dead bodies because basically because of like the, the, the way they sort of, um,

deal with things over there. Like they, they, they, they lie in state for a little while, I think. And then it's a race against time and a race against all the bodies just sort of deal with things over there. They lie in state for a little while, I think, and then it's a race against time and a race against all the bodies just sort of breaking down to get it to what is now the furnace.

They used to just throw the bodies in the Ganges. You're not allowed to do that anymore. You have to be cremated first. And then, so you are literally. And I was like, oh, so are you just, so how does this happen then? So what, do you pay someone to do it? He's like, well, you can do, yeah,

but mainly just people just do it themselves. They just drive these, you can hire out these kind of, they're not quite hearses, they're just like big cars. They just put the dead bodies in. But you have to physically yourself push the body of your family member

into the furnace in some parts, which is fascinating. Just fascinating. But it's so sort of weird that it sort of makes me think about the culture of handing over someone who is very much alive

and someone you loved and someone you cared about. Yeah. Oh, now they've stopped breathing. Don't want to touch that. Gross. It's weird, isn't it? Someone else deal with that.

Yeah, because you wouldn't think twice about touching your family member when they're alive. Yeah, well. It sort of happened when my grandmother passed away. It was very sad. She'd been ill for some time, so it wasn't unexpected.

But it was really difficult. And when I drove down to the hospital where she was, down the south coast, I had to drive from London. And my mum sort of gave me the call, said, look, you need to come down. So I drove down. When I had to drive from London and my mum sort of gave me the call to look you need to come down so I drove down when I got to

the hospital I couldn't find anywhere to park the car yeah all the car park was completely full and eventually I just

I just thought do you know what I'll just have to leave the car anywhere I just left it on the side of the road I thought if I get a fine whatever I'll just pay it

I didn't actually get one, which is fine. But I rushed in to the hospital and what happened at this hospital, I don't know if it happens generally, but what happens is when it becomes clear that an elderly person

is going to pass away in the hospital, they move them to sort of a quiet room so the family can go in there. So you're not in a big ward. So it's a bit more private. So we went in there and I was rushing around trying to find it um and my mom and my grandfather were in the same in the room already right and when i got there um she had just died she just passed away so i

missed her i mean she was unconscious anyway so it's not it's not a big a big change i suppose but i have to be honest when I went over and gave her a kiss and said goodbye to her and everything and left my grandmother to do his grieving on his own for a while it did feel

automatically strange that she was no longer there because this is a woman that I had you know hugged and kissed I was 34 at the time or 33 or something

so she'd been there all my life but it did feel different instantly and she had probably died a couple or 33 or something so she'd been there all my life but it did feel differently instantly yeah and she had probably died a couple of minutes before yeah uh and so it's strange how that affects you and that affects the human condition to such an extent as you rightly say and rightly point out that as soon as someone's no longer there the shell's just left behind it feels different very very odd um but so that was that was strange a lad I knew

knew enough to go to support some some guys who were closer friends to him than me who was

murdered actually or certainly he was hit with something and died he just seeing

thinking about him like them carrying the the coffin through the through the church yeah like he's in that box yeah it's strange he's in that fucking box like it's so weird but the human the human ability to have i don't know if cognitive dissonance is the right term but the the detachment between you not physically being able to see something yet knowing it's there does for some reason give you this detachment like for example if from a really innocuous example right if you know that when you're a kid that your parents are arguing right the most normal thing you would probably do is go to a different room or go out or leave now you know the argument's

still happening yeah you might even feel hugely uncomfortable about it, but it makes it feel better not to be there. And it's the same with stuff like that. I've been to, obviously, funerals of family members and, sadly, friends as well. And you know they're in the box, but you don't really think about it because there's a box surrounding them. If they were just there, lying there.

So, for example, imagine if it was a Mongolian sky burial where they take the body out on a stretcher, leave in the mountains and let the animals come down and take it that would be infinitely more horrific to our culture yeah than what we do are the ones where they just dress them up and then they dig them up a little while later and redress them with new clothes and stuff like that yeah i've always found that the sort of i think it's predominantly a catholic thing in Ireland Danny Kelly who I do a show with

every week you know Danny great great broadcaster he talks a bit about I think his father I think it's his father I hope I'm not getting that wrong and they

they have the coffin open in like the living room open casket and everyone drinks and stuff and put stuff things in the coffin and to send them off on his way.

It's like, who's that punk guy who talks? Gigi Allen. That's slightly different. Yeah, slightly more disrespectful. But apparently it's what he would have wanted. But anyway, that's enough of death, isn't it, Pete? Well, it depends on the emails, I guess. Yeah, but it stalks us all.

So why don't we take a breath, take a bit of time to recompose ourselves and come back after this all right the problem appears to be that we haven't got our photo id to try and travel to scotland which as far as i can remember was in the british isles what can we do we're utterly hamstrung by these thick-headed people wearing orange suits. I'll tell you what, he won't be missed. Posh people getting angry. Injected into

my veins. It sustains me. Yeah. That man's anger. I'm going to save a few coins buying flying easy jets and I'm upset at their level of service. That man's anger

is actually my spirit animal? Yeah. Yeah, I can take that all day. Apparently spirit animal is cultural appropriation. We shouldn't be using that anymore apparently. Oh, sorry.

I'm just saying, I find it hard to keep up with that song. Yeah, that's PC gone mad. You gotta save in these days. I'm 37. I'll say just, you know,

say what I want I should be allowed to walk down a fucking high street in an Indian headdress a Native American headdress

slap a girl on the arse yeah whether she's Native American or not yeah you wouldn't

I mean you wouldn't find a huge amount of Native American women walking down the Holloway Road well

let's test it out who knows look we're already around the corner. Let's do one of those surveys. Let's do it at junior school. Is anyone Native American? There were 42 red cars, three blue cars, five yellow vans, and 12 Native American women.

Did you ever have... Of varying ranks. Did you ever have one of the... We used to go on a field trip and get one of those little squares and see what was in the square. Yes. A random... What was that about? It was just kind of like... In my mind... There's a field trip and get one of those little squares and see what was in the square. Yes. A random. What was that about?

It was just kind of like, oh, there's a caterpillar in this one. In my mind, my junior school time was about 20% playing football in the playground, 20% walking around with one of those wheel things on a stick.

Oh, the trundle wheel. Yeah. 20% square to dig out little worms and all that kind of stuff. How many is that? 60. 20% assembly and prayers. And 20% being confused by women.

And by women, I mean girls of my age. I was going to say something else to you, Peter. Oh, yeah. So we're talking about spirit animals or whatever it is. Demons. To use Philip Pullman. El Diablo. Yeah.

Would it be good? you would you if someone said look um i don't know how this would happen i'm just trying to work it out say the universe suddenly changed and we were we were we were have you read any of the philip pullman no right okay so in the philip pullman um northern lights trilogy each human being's soul is on the outside of their body it takes the form of an animal and when you um ascend into adulthood right the animal changes and it's almost like a reflection of your personality and it never changes after that so with our age now you'd have a animal a spirit animal that would reflect your your personality given when you're a kid it changes um it changes all the time yeah

right so depending on your mood and how anxious you are. Oh, nice. Would you like to adopt that kind of universe, and would you like to have that? What? Can I see the other animals? Yeah, it follows you wherever you go. Everyone can see everyone's, and you can talk to it.

It's got a name. But if you get separated from it, it becomes very painful and can cause death. Oh. That's how it works. Well, I'd want, like, a sloth creature, wouldn't I? What would yours be? A tortoise.

A tortoise? That'd be terrible. Why would that be terrible? That's the worst decision. Well, I'd want like a sloth creature, wouldn't I? What would yours be? A tortoise. A tortoise? That'd be terrible. Why would that be terrible? That's the worst decision. No, but... You'd have to keep carrying it everywhere. No, I'd wear it on the back like a shell. Like a ninja turtle.

Well, you don't want a gibbon. Because the gibbon would run away. It can't. It can't. I've just told you. It can't be separated. Well, how can it... You just said...

Yeah, you said it can't be separated because it causes death. Well, truly, at some point, it gets separated and then you die. It doesn't happen. It follows you everywhere. Well, fine. I'll have a fucking Gibbon then. It would be brilliant. I knew you were going to say Gibbon at the start of this.

And I will not be satisfied until you settle on it. There was a media company that started using Gibbons as their audio company that do audio books. It's audible. And they've started using Gibbons. And I'm like, guys, I've been across this for years. More Gibbons in advertising. They are inherently hilarious looking. When you do this sort of job where all your stuff's out in public,

you get a little bit more, not upset, but annoyed about people saying stuff that you think. And I saw the most ridiculous example of this recently is the comic Ramesh Ranganathan. Yes. Who I quite like. I've got no beef with him.

I saw someone retweet a tweet of his into my timeline the other day saying, pour some sugar on me by Def Leppard is a banger. And my first instinct was,

I've been saying that for years. Where have you got that from, Ranganathan? That's outrageous. I think it's a very sexist song. Well, yeah. There's a bit in Bon Jovi's In My Arms. Bon Jovi's In My Arms.

Bon Jovi's In My Arms. He goes... In These Arms, I believe. In These Arms, In These Arms. Into my arms. That one. You know that one. That's Banger.

John Bon Jovi did that. That's John Bon Jovi, that. Definitely. He goes... He's talking about how much he loves them, wants the banger and stuff. And then he goes, my room still smells like

your cheap perfume. Yeah. A bit rude. Yeah, a little bit. Cheap perfume. What he's saying is, you wear substandard fragrance, but I still want you.

I love you. And that's love. I need you. I know that I'll never leave you. But you do have cheap perfume, so raise your game. Next time you go through an airport, love. Are you a fan of that Twitter trope of girls misspelling the word cologne? Oh, colon.

And spelling it colon. Nice. I love the smell of my dad's colon. Yeah, saying like, oh. This reminds me of my dad's colon. It's awful when he leaves and you can still smell his colon on your fingers. That kind of stuff. Anyway, at some point in the past, Peter, we promised to listen to some emails.

So I'm going to open with this one, and I think it's going to be right up your street, mate. All right, mate. It's from Ben, and he's written right up your colon. He says, Dear Luke and Pete, says Ben, among very important office-based chat, me call on he says dear luke and pete says ben uh among very important office-based chat i recall a memory of weetabix once promoting their breakfast cereal through cartoon characters based on skin heads yes they were they were skinheads weren't they yeah um what the fuck possessed them i didn't i wasn't sure that kids love skinheads but i guess we'll never know it was a very 80s thing wasn't it i found a blog i found a blog post about this scar was big yeah and and it's a load of weetabix

so you can imagine a weetabix um yeah i about this Scar was big yeah and it's a load of Weetabix so you can imagine a Weetabix yeah I remember they had little glasses on and they had like braces didn't they yeah I'm talking to the listeners Pete

sorry yeah a Weetabix biscuit what do you say vertically so it looks like a skinhead with clothes on but dressed as skinhead

do you know what actually one of them did have braces but did the braces go to half way up its body which doesn't make any sense because it doesn't have any shoulders does it

if you drew a face on a witty pig would it go over the top they're basically Spongebob square pants but back in the 80s they go around the body see

so they've given them they've given them they've given them shoulders yeah that's inaccurate yeah it is witty pigs do not have

shoulders that is false advertising they are not skinheads are they good skinheads or the positive left wing ones Yeah. That's inaccurate. Yeah, it is. Weetabix do not have shoulders. That is false advertising. They are not skinheads. Are they good skinheads or the positive left-wing ones? Well, I don't know, Pete. I don't know. I found a blog post

and I'm going to read to you. You see them booting an immigrant to death in the street. No, I don't think that would happen. No. Right. As far as I know. Full of dietary fibre,

but fuck me, they are horrible. Apparently they were called Brian, Brains, Dunk, Crunch and Bixie horrible apparently they were called Brian, Brains Dunk, Crunch and Bixie Bixie Brian and Brains

that's like a confusing pair of names isn't it apparently they chased vampire hunger pangs punched holes in boring toast and did keep fit

on kitchen utensil assault courses all over an infectious knees up scar soundtrack Dunk was the de facto leader who got to say if you know what's good

for you in a Cockney bother boy accent while Brains was basically Ian Dury. Crunch sounded like an East End gangster. Bixie was a Brummie girl for some reason

and Brian was the slapstick dunce of the gang bumping into things and squawking okay like a parrot. Them having a go at toast that's a bit fucking rich isn't it

for being boring. So yeah. You are Weetabix. Given that Weetabix is essentially Weetabix's them having a go at toast that's a bit fucking rich isn't it for being boring so yeah you are Weetabix given that Weetabix is essentially Weetabix's role is that you have to

chuck a load of stuff with it to make it edible edible yeah milk and sometimes sugar and also with Weetabix one thing they've also done to shit

and don't think I haven't noticed this they used to have a marketing campaign so I bet you can't eat oh no that was shredded wheat ignore me I would have made the shredded oh no that was shredded wheat ignore me I would have made

the shredded wheat point anyway the shredded wheat point and is that I'm going to make the shredded wheat point anyway if I took

if I didn't know you at all and took a look at your picture I'd go yeah he's going to make a point about shredded wheat you're a weedy

you're a weedy man so the shredded wheat selling point and the big marketing spiel used to be I bet you can't eat three I don't say that anymore because they are

fucking tiny now have they made them smaller yeah of course they have oh are you not they've gone the way of the Snickers are you not confusing with the little baby ones

no no that's what they're called they're called bite size or something like that why don't they make mega ones and sort of go

hey do you remember the 80s when they were big admitting that they've made them smaller. And charge extra. And charge extra for it, yeah. XL. You're happy now, capitalism.

Yeah. Do you want me to do another email or are you going to do one? I'm enjoying your emails, to be honest, but I have got a couple if you want. Shall I do one while you're finding yours? All right then, baby.

This is from... Oh, I can't find out who it's from. I'll find that out in a minute. What a wanker. I've called it More Info from Space Pen Man. For some reason, I think he might be called Kieran.

No, Kieran Astronaut. Kieran Astronaut, yeah. He says, Ethan Chaps, thank you for reading out my Space Pen email. I was well chuffed it made it on the show. Do you remember he was the guy whose dad brought him a pen from NASA? He says, I've got a pair of Alkalisks in my remote. Alkalisks.

That's nice. That sounds like some kind of energy cell from space. You don't see them every day. Secondly, you mentioned about the Russians using pencils. It's both true and false. Both NASA and the Russian Space Agency originally used pencils in space, but they were deemed too dangerous.

The lead graphite in the pencil could break off and cause havoc if it got into any of the machinery. Because of this, both NASA and the Soviets used specially designed space pens. They're different to a normal pen as they don't use gravity to apply ink to the pen's ballpoint. The ink is pressurized inside the pen.

Ah, that's why it works. Yeah. Bonus stationary and space information. The Apollo 11 Moon Lander was stuck on the moon because the main launch switch had broken off. NASA had no idea what to do to get them back up into space

until Buzz Aldrin realised his pen had a metal casing. He stuck it in the hole where the switch was it completed the circuit and off they went. Brilliant.

P.S. I live next to Emily Moormast and I can confirm it's massive. Great. I love Emily Moormast. Pete's not bothered. A few people were fuming about the myth we talked about

re-pencils in space. People were more annoyed with you, Pete, than me. Why? It's a bit insulting as they appear to be laboring under the impression that you should know better but I shouldn't. It's a bit insulting for me to read that. But anyway, people were annoyed at you rather than me.

What did I exactly get wrong? That I just agreed with your... That we could have used pencils... Because we said, we're not sure if it's an apocryphal tale, but the Americans spent millions trying to develop a pen that worked in space, and the Russians,

the Soviets, as it was at the time, used a pencil. Yeah, yeah. And we said, we think it's probably a myth, and then everyone was like, oh yeah, nice one. Imagine a lot of graphite breaking off in space.

That would be good, wouldn't it? Et cetera. Well, I mean, it should be sealed, shouldn't it? What if you spilled, you could use the same reasoning for a bit of water because when you're in space,

the water floats about and that could complete a circuit and fuck up the space station. Or take in a slash. That's salty. Make it even worse. Even more of a conductor. That is shop high.

Yeah. Mark, Mark Brennan. Hello, Mark. He basically mentions, we were talking about Bullseye a little while ago. And one. That's black.

I remember reading about this. Do you remember that serial killer, or certainly a murderer, was caught because the policeman was watching Bullseye? Yes. It was a murderer on Bullseye. It wasn't quite as simple as that, was it? Wasn't it that he was on Bullseye before He was on, it was a murderer on Bullseye. It wasn't quite as simple as that though,

was it? Wasn't it that he was on Bullseye before he committed the crime and they used it as an identifit for someone who described him?

John Cooper, who killed Gwenda and Peter Dixon on a Pembrokeshire coastal path in 1989. Scrutinising a decades old Bullseye show, Steve Wilkins realised

that he had a piece of evidence that could nail a psychopath that he's been hunting of evidence that could nail a psychopath that he's been hunting for years. So there we go. That's very nice. The story I heard was that he had been described

and there was a sort of an artist's impression of him and then they found out that he was on Bullseye, watched the video and he was exactly like the artist's impression. I mean, I'm looking at it there, it's stunning, stunning yeah it looks look at that yeah it looks exactly like him yeah um host jim bowen chatted with cooper and the other contestants before the game started um uh it was cooper bald as brass smiling and joking on national television having almost certainly murdered two

people in cold blood he says wow wow that guy's I think he's in jail for life, that guy. You've got an unusual hobby job. Here was one of the quotes from Jim Boyne. You've got an unusual hobby job, haven't you? Yeah. Where are you really from? Murdering people. He said scuba diving.

I like scuba diving. Is that what he said? Yeah. Huh. Interesting. Murdering fishes. What about this from someone also called Mark? Hello, Mark.

We'll squeeze this one in before we go. Right. He says, My dad is a chemist, and he's the dictionary definition of a mad scientist. Our weekend visits were often spent running around his lab when he had to pop into work for five minutes, probably causing all kinds of mayhem.

Remember at school when you would make those blue crystals from a solution? Yes. They would be about the size of a pea. My dad thought it was fun, and then made one the size of a football just just because he had unlimited access to all the chemicals what a dad why have you run out of um whatever it was listen to this being off his rocker he wanted to make a degreaser to clean his motorbike chain rather than buy one he thought he could make a better one and in doing so according to him he didn't quite get it right and accidentally made napalm wow the way he came out with it was no more than a whoops like

you just put sugar in the tea with someone who asked for it without this was followed up with i'll sort this out but just don't tell your mother i've not i've no doubt he had the means and knowledge to dispose of it properly but i'm pretty sure people go on watch lists for this stuff both me and my brother listen to the pod and i'm sure he'll be nodding his head through this if it's read out keep up the good work, Mark. Has your dad ever done anything like that? How is Stewie? Is he okay? He's alright. Not really spoken to him. You keep saying that.

I need you to get in touch with him more. Oh, he's alright. He's fine. He's just doing his thing. Every time I go away he goes, be careful, son. I was like, I'm not the one causing the trouble. Yeah. You're both like, you cause the trouble by day and he causes it by night. I'm taking my dad to Imperial War Museum, Duxford this weekend.

Nice. Is Duxford the one with the planes? Yeah. Yeah. Well, maybe it's, maybe it's not being destroyed as rumoured. Yeah. Now that was, that was at the Havilland factory. It's not the same.

Okay. And it was also 70 years ago, Pete. I went to Pensacola Army Museum rather Navy Museum and some of the planes in there, incredible and they had like an old World War 2 pilot sending us around and sort of talking about, actually he

discovered his own plane in the actual hangar, basically this massive museum with like hundreds and hundreds of planes and he was like, I think I've flown that plane but not just that model of plane the exact actual plane so he looked up the log his logbook that he had back in his uh shed or whatever and he's like right that's that number and he like got a ladder he just looked and got in the plane and went oh yeah this is my plane what was the story about that then how did it become how did it come to be out there i don't know finished the

war and unscathed and uh just nowcathed and now it's in the museum and it just so happened that an employee of the museum flew that exact plane that's brilliant that's good isn't it that is like

meet an old friend I suppose my question there sort of implied that I thought the pilots got to take the planes home when they finished

you're going to finish with that are you finished with that yeah fine I mean that's a that's a 747 transport plane yeah I'll take it

I'll take it you'll occasionally see out in the sticks like obviously rusting planes but people who actually own they just buy old

planes and just get them transported and reassemble and they're just in their backyard fascinating when I was talking earlier in the week

about that the Haviland factory I'd grow some fat ganja in there and the planes that they made there the planes they made there were the Mosquito planes,

which were the ones who were made of wood and they were really quick to make. Yeah. And they were the scourge of the Nazis. They could churn them out so fast. They were so reliable

and so quick. Yeah. And it was strategically really important for them to stop being made from the Germans' point of view. That's how it came about. But I'm taking them to Duxford.

We'll see what it's like. Apparently, it's great, so I'm looking forward to it. I love the Imperial War Museum in South London, so if it's anywhere near as good as that, I'll be very happy indeed. Well, hopefully we'll hear about it next week. I'm sure we will.

All right. And I guess, Pete, that's probably about as much time as we've got this week, or this episode, I should say. That's episode 112 of The Luke and Pete Show. If you'd like to get in touch, the email address is hello at lukeandpeetshow.com. We'd bloody the Luke and Pete show. If you'd like to get in touch, the email address is hello at lukeandpete.com.

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