The Luke and Pete Show - Episode 193: This could be anywhere

Episode Date: August 12, 2019

Happy Monday and a warm welcome to The Luke and Pete Show, it's very nice to see you! Pete's been to Rotterdam for the weekend and has been very impressed by the architecture. Luke isn't sure how much... Pete actually saw of it (boozing), but is happy he had a nice time.In other news we discuss ungratefulness, how important sorbet is to Pete, radio phone-ins, and we also hear from a man working in the frankly enjoyable trade of waterproofing basements. The stories he must have to tell. The mind boggles.To get in touch about your basement, or anything else for that matter, it's hello@lukeandpeteshow.com***Please take the time to rate and review us on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your pods. It means a great deal to the show and will make it easier for other potential listeners to find us. Thanks!*** Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 It is Monday the 12th of August 2019. I'm Luke Moore, that man over there, that part man, part t-shirt over there is Mr Pete Donaldson. I was frantically trying to dip the audio there but my little fingers were not doing what they're supposed to do on the side of the iPad, quite frankly. Your little fingies? We've got an iPad set up here at the Ramble slash Luke and Pete Show HQ, and that's what we're dealing with right now. Stakhanov HQ. Stakhanov HQ.
Starting point is 00:00:42 Having a few technical issues, but nothing that's going to affect the audio quality of this recording when I was at when I was at uni for doing a little bit of radio
Starting point is 00:00:51 I was told there's one of the golden rules about radio most of which you can just disregard because it's just stuff made up by it's just stuff made up
Starting point is 00:01:00 by boring people isn't it it's stuff made up by people who have failed at doing the job professionally I find yes and they say never mention your equipment it's like a big no no boring people isn't it it's stuff made up by people who have failed at doing the job professionally I find yes and they say
Starting point is 00:01:06 never mention your equipment it's like a big no no because people don't care people don't care yeah but have you seen my texters some of my texters
Starting point is 00:01:14 are like what's that smell who did that all that stuff what's the worst texter you've done on the radio do you like me do you like me
Starting point is 00:01:24 what was the answer not overwhelmingly positive unpositive quite frankly oh so so hang on not overwhelmingly unpositive yeah so it was positive yeah okay yeah it was all right actually i was quite surprised i'd i'd dared them to give me both barrels but they were they were they were fair do you find that even though people whether it comes to podcasting or radio
Starting point is 00:01:50 people are aware of the day part they're listening to always the same they still complain even though they still listen oh yeah yeah definitely
Starting point is 00:01:57 yeah they're always like what was the one I had last week stop talking about sawbear and play some good tunes nobody cares about sawbear you do and then I started talking more about sawbear loads of it I've seen someone's complaining talking about sorbet and play some good tunes. Nobody cares about sorbet. You do.
Starting point is 00:02:06 And then I started talking more about sorbet. Loads of it. I've seen someone's complaining that I'm talking about sorbet too much. And then people are like going, I love sorbet. Why has someone got a problem with sorbet? And it became a sorbet special. So be careful what you saw. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:19 Bye. It's an interesting tactic, isn't it? By telling someone, bringing a subject up effectively that you don't want to be talked about. Yes. It's a interesting tactic, isn't it? By telling someone, bringing a subject up effectively that you don't want to be talked about. It's a weird thing to do.
Starting point is 00:02:28 It's like me saying, don't think about me naked. You're all magically going to do it, aren't you? Yeah, you are. You just ejaculated.
Starting point is 00:02:41 Bit of both. Met in the middle. A little pool of So do you find yourself, would you describe yourself as a popular radio presenter now? No. No.
Starting point is 00:02:49 I'm on popular shows and I make them unpopular. Actually, my figures are alright. Look, I'll stick my neck out, guys. My figures are alright. Yeah. Alright, baby. Because I don't talk very much.
Starting point is 00:02:59 Yeah, you get to play songs. That's the thing with me. You get to play songs, yeah. When I do a radio show and if I host it you can't blame the songs for being unpopular and I also can't
Starting point is 00:03:08 if I get into the part if I get into the hour section right and it's like a minute in and I'm thinking oh Jesus I've got 13 minutes left I've got nothing to hide behind
Starting point is 00:03:17 I can't play a song I can't do shit so if you so I've known on talk radio because it frightens me and also I start sentences in the middle of sentences and come back out again. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:27 People who do like talk shows by themselves. Yeah, it's hard. With callers. Yeah. And they do it overnight very frequently. Yeah. So they're just talking and talking and talking. It's a very different bit of like a delivery system
Starting point is 00:03:40 in that they use a lot of white space. They use a lot of blank space. They're just like alright so this night we're talking when we had the studio built PT
Starting point is 00:03:50 I tested it I came in on my own and tested it with one mic and I just did I did 40 minutes I think of just talking oh I'm not surprised
Starting point is 00:03:58 that you I'd love to hear people listening to me regularly won't be surprised to hear that but it's a different type of it it's a different type of broadcast so somewhere on the system there will be a couple of test files
Starting point is 00:04:05 where it's just you slowly going insane in the studio just yapping on I don't the example you've used there about using
Starting point is 00:04:12 dead air and stuff what I find a lot of them do is they use the producer so they'll just talk to the producer so what do you think about this
Starting point is 00:04:19 John's saying this in my ear blah blah blah kind of thing and that's how they do it which I find that it's about confidence, right?
Starting point is 00:04:25 If I'm hosting now and I don't know what's coming next, rather than just panic, I'll just say to the producer, what have we got coming up now? I can't remember. And they'll tell me. And that's a much more, I suppose, confident way of dealing with it, I guess. Definitely, yeah. Otherwise, you're just feeling needless.
Starting point is 00:04:41 I'm still terrible. It's just I'm confidently shit. Confidently shit. Is that how you comfortably numb? Anyway, how was your weekend, Peter? It's been alright. I went to Rotterdam, which is a town near the head. Could be anywhere.
Starting point is 00:04:54 Could be anywhere. It was nice. It was very, very windy and I ate a lot of cheese and it was fun. Why did you choose Rotterdam? I've never been there. Who did you go with? A guy called Craig. Do you know him?
Starting point is 00:05:07 Do you actually know him? I've not run out of people. Yeah, he took a bus from London to Dusseldorf. Now that is a bus journey and a half, I would say. What, pre the Rotterdam weekend? Pre the Rotterdam weekend. Why? He did a few days around Holland and then kind of met me in Rotterdam
Starting point is 00:05:25 but why I don't know he just wanted to stay here I guess but has he not got a job he does have a job but he thought
Starting point is 00:05:32 I'm going to save a bit of cash and go via the bus but yeah he had to get off the ferry at like I think it was like
Starting point is 00:05:39 one in the morning sorry he had to get off his bus that got on the ferry and then he had to go into the place where everybody is on the ferry and people were just drinking apparently at two o'clock in the morning on Sorry, he had to get off his bus that got on the ferry and then he had to go into the place where everybody is on the ferry
Starting point is 00:05:46 and people were just drinking apparently at 2 o'clock in the morning on the way to Dusseldorf. Yeah, I bet. I can imagine.
Starting point is 00:05:51 I've done a little boat trip, booze cruise. Apparently modern little ferries that go across to mainland Europe they're just full of hendoos.
Starting point is 00:06:01 People getting absolutely tanked up. I would challenge you to find me a situation now in the UK or Europe that isn't full of hendoos. People getting absolutely tanked up. I would challenge you to find me a situation now in the UK or Europe that isn't full of hendoos. What do you mean? Well, it's just everywhere.
Starting point is 00:06:13 Hospital? Every, no, well that's the, obviously there's hendoos in hospitals because people get drunk and hurt themselves. Okay, sewer. There is not a part,
Starting point is 00:06:21 there's not a part of society, look, this may tell the difference between you and I. Boulangerie. I don't consider the sewer, in quotes, to be part of society. Look, this may tell the difference between you and I. Boulangerie. I don't consider the sewer, in quotes, to be part of society. Perhaps you do. Oh, having to go to our mutant neighbours.
Starting point is 00:06:33 But society is completely permeated everywhere. Every nook and cranny by a hen or a stag. The only place in Europe recently I've been to that hasn't had one, it was Santorini. I think that's probably because that's too expensive it is very pricey yeah you price yourself out
Starting point is 00:06:47 with certain places I've found places that you'd expect Stag do's to be in like Cluj in Romania you don't see very many but yeah I heartily recommend
Starting point is 00:06:55 Rotterdam the buildings are fucking insane they just went let's make a mad old building I played a bit of Crazy Golf as well
Starting point is 00:07:03 I forget how much I love Crazy Golf Luke Luke. I'm good. Bloody love. I'm good at it. I'm terrible at it but I bloody love it. I just love the variety. You know me. I'm a real variety vulture and every little every hall has something a little bit different for the golfing enthusiast.
Starting point is 00:07:18 Rossadam looks amazing. It looks so much more avant-garde than I sort of expected. It's crazy and it's very windy on certain days. Oh, it was really windy here over the weekend, though. Was it? Okay. It was so windy, yeah. I was scared that we went up this tall TV tower thing and looked out across Rotterdam,
Starting point is 00:07:31 and it was surprisingly high and very, very windy, and I genuinely thought I was going to be blown off into Rotterdam, and I was just thinking... You said blow-off. That would be a terrible way to go. A dreadful way to go. It would. No one calls them blow-offs anymore, do they?
Starting point is 00:07:44 I call them blow-offs. Do you? Yeah, I brought back little Tommy's Quickies blow-offs. Pumps. Pumps was my old... Pumps was what I grew up with. Pops. Pop-pops.
Starting point is 00:07:52 Pop-offs. Yeah. What was it for you growing up? Fart, probably. Fart. Yeah. Farted. Dropped your guts.
Starting point is 00:08:01 Pumps. Yeah, it was always pumps for me. Right, okay. Now you've moved on to blow-offs. Now I've moved on to blow-offs. I've extruded. It's a good radio, this, isn't it? Great radio. Pumps. Yeah, it was always pumps for me. Right, okay. Now you've moved on to blow-offs. Now I've moved on to blow-offs. I'm extruded. It's good radio, this, isn't it? Great radio.
Starting point is 00:08:08 Really good. Did you see about the guy who lost his mind because he got a BMW for his birthday instead of a Jaguar? Was he like an Indian guy or something? Yeah, he wasn't like an Indian guy. He was an Indian guy. Was he in India? Yeah, it was in the Indian state of Haryana in the north of India.
Starting point is 00:08:24 Right. He was gifted a car and it wasn't quite the car he wanted, so he just pushed it into the river. Pushed it into a river, yeah. Nice. That's not how you get another one. Not like an ice cream. He said, apparently got stuck in a bank of tall grass
Starting point is 00:08:37 and the man said to be the son of a local landlord, tried to rescue it. Police are investigating the incident. But BMW cars cost 3.5 million rupees, which is around 42,000 pounds in India. That seems very... What's the most ungrateful
Starting point is 00:08:52 thing you've ever seen? Hello at LukeandPeteShow.com because that is right up there. Those kind of memories really stick in the minds. People just not having any idea about the worth of anything.
Starting point is 00:09:04 I asked my parents what the most ungrateful thing I did as a child was because I saw them over the weekend and they said and to be fair
Starting point is 00:09:11 I was only about 11 I think I was actually 11 they said that we went to Disney World on holiday
Starting point is 00:09:16 because my dad got laid off from his job and got a lot of money and we ended up and I was tired
Starting point is 00:09:22 because I mean I spoke to my mum about this afterwards she was like yeah looking back on it probably we expected too much of you guys and I was tired. Because, I mean, I spoke to my mum about this afterwards. She was like, yeah, looking back on it, probably we expected too much of you guys, and it was really tiring, and we did something every day, and we shouldn't have done, and there was jet lag, and you were only 11, and your sister was only five, or whatever.
Starting point is 00:09:35 And we walked for ages in Disney World from the car park, because my mum and dad didn't know where they were going. I imagine you give that sort of behaviour rather short shrift. I was only 11. This is rudderless. But this was the first day we were there, so I was probably a bit discombobulated by the timing. Anyway, my mum said we walked down to the end of the car park
Starting point is 00:09:56 and it was the wrong way or whatever, and I turned around and said, well, this would have just been a massive waste of time, so I was just tantruming. Put me on the plane. My dad went mental. Absolutely mental. Yeah, because he will be exhausted
Starting point is 00:10:05 he's trying to do a nice thing he's been laid off I get it yeah he's just been laid off I get it yeah I'm not defending my behaviour
Starting point is 00:10:12 I'm just telling you it was funny to me because I asked him and that's the first that came to mind like that yeah he could have gone full
Starting point is 00:10:19 I didn't even think about it he could have gone full falling down you know that thing that you having to go at him he could have just went mental punched. Just, you know, that thing that you haven't got him. He could have just went mental. Punched Mickey Mouse.
Starting point is 00:10:28 Pulled his head off. That would have been amazing. Someone in our email inbox, again, which is hello at lukeandpete.com, shared some great photos of the opening day of Disney World. Right. In like 1955. Yes. It's really interesting.
Starting point is 00:10:42 The characters look completely different. In fact, they look shit I'll get Charlie to share the link because it was a photo journal online but yeah
Starting point is 00:10:51 so that was what sprang to mind what's the most ungrateful thing you've ever done Pete do you think I don't know I'm always sort of
Starting point is 00:10:55 yeah I was probably a bit of a shit I can't remember anything in particular but I just remember I think I spoke about it before I remember sort of going to
Starting point is 00:11:00 video game shops and sort of stamping my feet bearing in mind that my mum and dad didn't say that was short of anything even though they were complete brassic I remember sort of going to video game shops and sort of stamping my feet. Yeah. Bearing in mind that my mum and dad, you know, didn't say that I was short of anything, even though they were complete brassic lint, mate.
Starting point is 00:11:11 Same as my parents, yeah. But we went to this computer shop and I would just sort of have a little tantrum every time my mum, oh, I can have that one, I want that one. I look back and I genuinely, why couldn't I just be happy with the games that I had and hadn't finished? But I look back like that as well,
Starting point is 00:11:26 but at the same time, I was actually really happy. I had like a really happy childhood. I was just ungrateful probably because I wanted more or because I had a friend at school who was richer than us or whatever, you know?
Starting point is 00:11:35 But was that when you were PD or before you were PD? That was as far as PD, yeah. What age were you PD? Before I became police department. Yeah. I was... What age were you?
Starting point is 00:11:44 PD was third year, so that was... Heart level PD? 13 I became police department. I was, PD was third year so that was 13, 14. And you were only PD for a year? No, I'm still PD
Starting point is 00:11:51 to some people in school. You're Donnie now, aren't you? No, Donnie was what I was trying to get away from.
Starting point is 00:11:58 Oh, okay. And it's come full circle and bit me right on the behind. You're always Donnie here.
Starting point is 00:12:01 You call me Donnie. Some people get like the arsehole when people have got nicknames, don't they? I think I was part of the banter bus kind of thing. But it's a fairly common thing,
Starting point is 00:12:11 isn't it? Well, you can't use your own nickname. No, you can't use your own nickname. If you're really wound up by what somebody calls you. No, but I think people... So you should never introduce yourself by your nickname.
Starting point is 00:12:24 I think that's definitely true but when people listen to us for example on the Rambler on one of our shows at Stack and they hear me calling you Donny
Starting point is 00:12:31 it might turn them off a bit because they're a bit like I was a bit over familiar it's a bit banter okay fair dues then don't do that anymore then I'm just going to call you
Starting point is 00:12:38 Peter from now on you always introduce yourself as Peter I see you every couple of days for crying out loud I think that's fine I always introduce myself as Peter
Starting point is 00:12:44 that's correct quick TV review Russian doll fuck me that's fine I always say that it's Peter that's correct um quick TV review Russian doll fuck me that's good is it good yeah and finish what's it about it's it scratches a lot of
Starting point is 00:12:53 itches that I have about a new um eternal sunshine of a spotless mind it is fucking amazing and I don't know why I avoided watching it for
Starting point is 00:13:03 such such a long time eternal sunshine is a very very very good film. Banger. Banger. I watched What We Do in the Shadows yesterday. Oh yeah, which one's that one? It's a New Zealand-based vampire comedy.
Starting point is 00:13:13 What We Do in the Shadows. With Jermaine from Flight of the Conchords. Oh, that's very good. And Murray from Flight of the Conchords. Yes, yes, yes. Very cheap. Made a lot of money. It's the guy, is it Taiku Waititi, who now directs all the Avengers films?
Starting point is 00:13:24 He sort of, he's in it, and Iiku Waititi who now directs all the Avengers films he sort of he's in it and I guess he directed it as well quite funny it wasn't amazingly funny but it was pretty funny they were filming a film just outside my house
Starting point is 00:13:33 a couple of weeks ago or last week and they you forget how much fucking work goes into filming you know you watch a film and it's like
Starting point is 00:13:41 this is a piece of shit even the most piece of shittiest shit shit shit shit film the amount of work that goes into filming any of that the lighting the the the the the um the vans that if there's rain you need the big fire trucks the vans the vans just the big lorries the big panavision vans that yeah need to be put just for the lighting rigs and the cameras and the dollies all that stuff wow it takes a lot it was the guy
Starting point is 00:14:06 who did Hot Fuzz who's the director that guy Edgar Wright I think he's filming some kind of I think it's Vampires of Soho or something like that
Starting point is 00:14:13 my favourite Edgar Wright film is Scott Pilgrim I've still not watched that you'd love that piece I've seen the clips of them recently trying to be a band like none of the
Starting point is 00:14:22 like a couple of them had never played an instrument before so like they were just kind of like learning it's really well done but you know I remember walking back down Highbury Fields
Starting point is 00:14:30 near here and they were filming something in one of the houses along there and I stood there just watching them it's so fascinating I reckon I probably
Starting point is 00:14:37 stood there for 20 minutes and they didn't do a shoot a single scene they were just sitting there all day I find I see why actors have trailers
Starting point is 00:14:45 because it's just so fucking boring it's 95% standing around and then having to go at the director of photography getting his late
Starting point is 00:14:53 gee you're going to talk to this prick Pete when you're in your own Hollywood movies perhaps you'll be well prepared for it I mean
Starting point is 00:15:02 the great example of that is the Game of Thrones final season when they did the Game of Thrones final season when they did the Battle of Winterfell but it's 40 something or 50 something consecutive night shoots
Starting point is 00:15:11 and like people were getting I think trench foot I think one of the actors might have got pneumonia maybe right
Starting point is 00:15:18 it's bad a couple of them were certainly hospitalised yeah to get it because they had to get it right like I said it was 50 odd days
Starting point is 00:15:24 of consecutive night shoots I was thinking that's just they had to get it right. Like I said, it was 50-odd days of consecutive night shoots. I was thinking, like, that's just PR, though, isn't it? No, because there's a behind-the-scenes documentary, and you can see how brutal it is. Well, they shouldn't endanger their actors, lest they be on the business end of a lawsuit. Why are you wasting your time doing a documentary? It's going to make it work.
Starting point is 00:15:40 Get a three-bar fire cell. What we need here is more cameras. Get a three-bar fire up. Exactly, yeah. Get that cell. Anyway, Pete, let's have a little break you know what we need here is more cameras get a three bar fire up exactly exactly yeah anyway pete let's have a little break for some um for some adverts and after that we will do some emails i've got a great one here about a chip shop i'm pretty chilled out about this actually i've had five pints of guinness and my wife just left me for another man i can't mention her name jackie oh i'm sorry about that. So actually, you know,
Starting point is 00:16:06 the fact that it's a four-hour delay on a flight doesn't bother me. Sounds like it does bother him a little bit. Massively. Shout out to my mate Dan, who's actually currently stuck in Hong Kong due to the protests. Yeah, they've grounded... If I was going to say about the protesters,
Starting point is 00:16:18 that is a smart move. Yeah. Because obviously you're disrupting a huge financial centre and a lot of tourism as well wasn't a smart move for my mate Dan
Starting point is 00:16:28 to be there no what about this from James Clark hello at lukeandpeachshow.com is the address he's emailed into
Starting point is 00:16:34 he says hi both mainly Luke firstly a big fan of the show been an avid listener to the Ramble for 8 years
Starting point is 00:16:42 and now very much enjoy many of the sister Stakhanov shows especially this one Wrestle Me and The Offensive you should listen to all of them if you're I've been an avid listener to the Rambo for eight years and now very much enjoy many of the Sister Stakhanov shows, especially this one, Wrestle Me, and The Offensive. You should listen to all of them if you're listening to this because you will enjoy them. We're more of The Offensive than The Offensive sometimes, I would say. We are.
Starting point is 00:16:55 The Offensive is back for a new season, by the way. I'm excited. It's had a really, really good opening, first episode of the new season. Everyone's loving it. You should check it out because Ashwood City, the fictional team featured within are now in europe so it's a whole load of um logistical things for the production
Starting point is 00:17:10 staff to worry about um james says i haven't got anything too exciting to offer the show at this time but as i've just moved to streatham uh which is a district of south london i wonder if luke could recommend a good fish and chip shop as i've been really struggling and he's mentioned a few times he lives in the area and I get the impression Luke is a man who knows his way around a chippy. That's all for now and any help would be appreciated. And that's James Clark who signs off his email as
Starting point is 00:17:33 James Clark, basement waterproofer, London. Okay, right. He knows there's some pump. If you're a basement waterproofer, don't be emailing in saying you've got nothing interesting to share. There must be some stories. You you're a basement waterproofer, don't be manning in sand. You've got nothing interesting to show. There must be some stories.
Starting point is 00:17:48 You must have found some soggy shit downstairs. 100%. Yeah. How do you even go about that? You just put plastic down. Plastic layer, I'd say. I think if we were, say you and I were on an episode of The Apprentice
Starting point is 00:17:58 and we had to waterproof a basement, I think that's how we would start, isn't it? Yeah. Plastic. Plastic, yeah. Pin it. Tar. Tar. Alan Sugar would be like, what did you spend your damn budget on? I think that's how we would start isn't it yeah plastic a load of plastic yeah pin it tar Alan Sugar would be like
Starting point is 00:18:07 what did you spend your damn budget on a massive tar panel I thought that it's a load of old tut when I was in when I was in tut that's
Starting point is 00:18:16 that is the proper East London word that do you ever use tup we used to use tup when we were kids as well what's that
Starting point is 00:18:22 I don't know what it is that's just rubbish it's a load of old tup it's a load of tup tup when we were kids as well what's that I don't know what it is that's just rubbish a load of old tup it's a load of tup tup anyway the I was in
Starting point is 00:18:30 Rotterdam as mentioned earlier on I brought a travel iron with me I never go anywhere without a travel iron so I can enjoy some wrinkle free clothes
Starting point is 00:18:39 and I brought it and I forgot it was a Japanese travel iron. I bought it out there that works in Taiwan and all those places. But over here, obviously, we've got almost double the voltage. So I turned it on, and it instantly sparked,
Starting point is 00:18:56 and the actual metal warped immediately. It went like that. It's a surge. Could have really hurt Craig, the Scotsman. Could have hurt Craig. Could have got him on a spodden. Also, in the US, it's the same the voltage there is I think 110 or something
Starting point is 00:19:09 get a step down that's why the head risers are shit we had to spend when my wife moved to the UK we had to spend a lot of money on these transformer things they're really bulky they've not really got any smaller
Starting point is 00:19:20 they're massive mate I was so surprised my mate bought a I think a Game Boy Advance back in the day and the rapper subtit Subtitler, ATP, borrowed it off him. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:28 And he never gave it back. Subtitler, if you're listening, you got one, mate. Step down. Give it back. I mean, Subtitler is not a very commercially successful artist, so perhaps it needs a little help
Starting point is 00:19:37 he can get. James, to answer your question about fish and chip shops in Streatham, I've got some good news for you because, in my view, and I haven't been to the fish and chip shop for a while so if it's gone downhill
Starting point is 00:19:48 and off a cliff in the last few months I apologise but Kennedy's in Streatham Hill you've mentioned Kennedy's before it's directly opposite
Starting point is 00:19:55 Streatham Hill Station it's award winning it's brilliant I would never go anywhere else for my fish and chips ever you went to Bredo's
Starting point is 00:20:01 this week didn't you I went to Bredo's last week for Mimi's birthday I hate to turn that into I went to Bredo's last week for Mimi's birthday. I hate to turn that into set meals part two,
Starting point is 00:20:08 but it's very much. You love it. I was a little bit disappointed. Really? Yeah. I prefer the one
Starting point is 00:20:13 in Clerkenwell. They've reduced the portions. Yeah, they have. They have. You used to get three and now
Starting point is 00:20:17 you only get two. That's annoying. It's a taco place if you're listening. You will probably enjoy it if you
Starting point is 00:20:21 like Mexican food. So that is an email from James Clark. Kennedy's in Streatham Hill. Please send us another email about your basement waterproofing exploits. Yes.
Starting point is 00:20:29 Have you ever eaten fish and chips in a soggy basement? Do you know your way around a sump pump? I'm obsessed with them. The things that get the water out of the walls. Have you ever encountered a fatberg? In a cellar? Listen, if it's a cellar beneath a fish and chip shop
Starting point is 00:20:46 or a Chinese restaurant. Good point. How was your celebratory Chinese meal last night? Well, Newcastle and Winsor didn't have one. What did I have instead? I had a roast. Oi, oi. Oh, did you?
Starting point is 00:20:55 Lovely. Good man. What was the meat? Chicken. Nice. Textbook. Nice. Textbook.
Starting point is 00:21:00 Neil. Redacted. He just asked me to not use the second name, so that's going to get a bleeping. Could you write down the edit mark for me, Luke? Yes, I will. No worries. Neil. Redacted. He just asked me to not use the second name, so that's going to get a bleeping. Could you write down the edit mark for me, Luke? Yes, I will. No worries. Neil.
Starting point is 00:21:09 Before we begin, please don't use my full name. Dear Luke and Pete, a long time no email, but still enjoying the steady flow of a podcast of Fluvia provided by two of you during a summer break with the in-laws on the shores of Lake Winnipesaukee. Winnipesaukee, New Hampshire. Two big thumbs up for the remarks
Starting point is 00:21:26 you made about armchair aeronautics experts online and newspapers passing inaccurate comments about aviation incidents as a man who knows
Starting point is 00:21:33 very little about a lot of things and a fuck all about most when I read YouTube comments and newspaper reports about the things
Starting point is 00:21:38 I couldn't understand it makes me realise that most of what's published in the newspapers online about things I don't understand is probably bollocks too
Starting point is 00:21:44 it's generally accepted that accidents are the cumulative result of a chain of failures rarely having a single cause. For example, a design issue compounded by maintenance problems that was missed by a tired or overloaded crew on a day when the weather was particularly bad. In theory, there are numerous safety systems in place to trap these errors and break the chain before an incident takes place, such as reliable design, robust maintenance procedures
Starting point is 00:22:06 and a well-trained flight and cabin crew who have been trained to apply the correct procedures. That explanation is too technical for pilot simple minds, so we talk about the Swiss cheese model. Oh! Are you allergic? Carry on, this is interesting. Each layer of defence, such as design,
Starting point is 00:22:22 maintenance, air traffic control and flight crew is like a slice of Swiss cheese. It's a barrier of sorts, but inevitably it has holes in it. In theory, if a problem isn't caught by one layer of defence, i.e. it gets through the hole in the first slice of cheese, it should be stopped by the next. And even if it gets through a hole in that second slice, the third should stop it and so on. The problem is that occasionally the holes in the cheese line up and the problem can pass through all layers of defence without being stopped.
Starting point is 00:22:46 That's when it becomes a bad day at the office. Take a look at the example of the Air France crash in 2009. The effect of the cockpit design, the weather, the time of
Starting point is 00:22:55 day, the faulty information provided by the instruments and the crew's actions may not have been serious enough in isolation to cause the crash but the cumulative effect of all
Starting point is 00:23:02 of them were. As a reason of this, it's quite common to hear pilots talking about the holes in the cheese are starting to line up. That's not something you want to hear over the intercom. A series of small individual issues seeming to be building into an increased risk, and it's a signal that we should stop, focus on what our current situation is,
Starting point is 00:23:18 and somehow break that chain of accumulating risk factors. That was experienced very much by me and you earlier on when I threw the computer mouse at a wall. Yeah. We were having our own Swiss cheese problems. You were having huge problems
Starting point is 00:23:31 mostly with your short fuse. Right. And we just got out of the way. Yeah. Well, did it fix the problem or didn't it?
Starting point is 00:23:39 Do we have a smash mouse or don't we? We do have a smash mouse now, yeah. Anyway, I'm borrowing my walk on the sun. Anyway. Why would you mention that one
Starting point is 00:23:48 out of all of the... All Star is obviously their biggest song. It's the only one I know, isn't it? No, you said Walking on the Sun. Might as well be Walking on the Sun.
Starting point is 00:23:55 Yeah, and also Hey Now, you're an All Star. Oh, is that them as well? Yeah. It's the first one that came to mind, sorry. Anyway, I'm even borrowing myself now
Starting point is 00:24:01 so I'll leave it there. This was supposed to be an email telling the story of how I fooled the medical world and my mum to get out of my previous job in a cardboard box factory. So it's fair to say I've gotten off a bit...
Starting point is 00:24:11 I've gone a bit off track, like me then. That would probably have made for a better tale, but I'm damn enough I'm going to delete this lot and start from scratch. One for another day.
Starting point is 00:24:18 Thank you. Happy trails, Pilot Neil. Oh, it's Pilot Neil? It's Pilot Neil. So he's emailed in about something completely different to what he wanted to email in about, but still... Got excited about the cheese, the Swiss cheese lining up.
Starting point is 00:24:29 In the wheelhouse of his own pilot exploits. Pilot Neil, of course, you'd be pleased to know, my friend, that your speed tape you sent in... Still there. Got my hand on it earlier. Yeah, it's actually being used to hold down a Bluetooth box in the studio at the moment. Actually, that's a piece of old tech we don't need anymore, so maybe I can throw that out the wall.
Starting point is 00:24:48 Yeah, can't it? If you want to donate any of your old tech... Good metaphor for the Luke and Pete show. Great to hear from Pilot Neil anyway. Love to have you along, Neil. Absolutely. What about this one from James, who says, hi guys, love the show, but now let's get to the good stuff. Following the recent news about Chernobyl Volca
Starting point is 00:25:03 making its way to the world, it's got me thinking about whether you can actually live there again or not. I believe it's been long enough since the radiation has faded, which will allow people to come back to the area. Want your thoughts if this is a government conspiracy and that people would be safe to move back there or is it actually pretty dangerous? I feel the government are worried about super-powered humans
Starting point is 00:25:22 to come from this if they were to go back there. I don't understand why it would be a conspiracy. Presumably that would be a terrible look to say that people can go back there if they can't. You can visit there now, can't you, for sure. I'm pretty sure I've heard of people going back there, visiting there for holidays and stuff. Just bring a Geiger counter, mate. Everyone's got one of them on their Swiss army knife, surely. Would you go to visit Chernobyl, Pete?
Starting point is 00:25:45 It's called Pripyat, isn't it, the town? Yeah, would I visit? I don't know. It's a bit gauche, isn't it? I'd probably pop through. I remember back in the late 90s, there was a woman who went through on a motorbike and took some really interesting pictures.
Starting point is 00:25:59 But now I think it's starting to kind of be reclaimed by people, if not tourists, just wandering around going look at this we started off talking about Chernobyl on this show way before that Chernobyl TV show came about
Starting point is 00:26:10 because we were talking about the elephant's foot weren't we oh yes absolutely I want to eat it horrific I want to eat it
Starting point is 00:26:17 it's worth reminding people that the Chernobyl elephant's foot was the leftover mass of corium I think it's corium after the Chernobyl disaster.
Starting point is 00:26:27 It's just got a big cover on it now, I think. But yes, I think it will give you a lethal dose of radiation in under five minutes. Right, okay. I think if you stand near it,
Starting point is 00:26:43 very, very strange. Don't go near the elephant's foot it's very strange that kind of thing exists on the planet I think it might be the most
Starting point is 00:26:50 radioactive place in the universe yeah did you see that I don't know how people would know that did you see that gigantic explosion
Starting point is 00:26:57 in Russia last week last week tell me more about that I think it was near Finland I can't remember anyway there was a big explosion on a
Starting point is 00:27:04 either a base or on a submarine. It just exploded. All the munitions. And there was an increase of radiation detected in a local town. And everyone was told to get inside. Right. Because the radiation was a bit too high. But the actual explosion itself, the way that it kind of goes out,
Starting point is 00:27:25 I don't know, it was a security camera or something filming it, but it just pushes the clouds away. It's that massive. The clouds actually move away because of the heat and the force. Wow, it was something incredible. Two people died.
Starting point is 00:27:38 No, five people died apparently. Five people died in the end, right. Up to five now. Yeah, it looked epic. I'll have to look into that for next time. Let's get out of here, Peter. And we'll be back on Thursday, of course. We need to do some stuff. I'll have to look into that for next time. Let's get out of here, Peter. And we'll be back on Thursday, of course.
Starting point is 00:27:46 We need to do some stuff. I need people to email in about their UFO experiences. Yes, okay, right. I haven't managed a chance to get to those emails yet, but if you are thinking about emailing in
Starting point is 00:27:54 about your UFO experiences or even just your opinions on that, as requested last week, send them in to hello at lukeandpete show dot com. You can, of course, email on any subject you want
Starting point is 00:28:03 and we'd be very, very happy to hear from you. But yeah, we'll see you on Thursday. Have a good week.com. You can of course email on any subject you want and we'd be very, very happy to hear from you. Um, but yeah, we'll see you on Thursday. Have a good week. Bye. This has been a Stakhanov production. Own each step with Peloton.
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