The Luke and Pete Show - Goodnight to the Metaverse

Episode Date: March 23, 2026

The trailer for SNL UK is out and Luke and Pete are sticking to their original predictions vis à vis its quality. But there’s bigger fish to fry on this fine Monday because video game faces have be...en yassified and, $80 billion later, the Metaverse is dead.Elsewhere, Luke shouts out Denis Norden and David Niven’s wartime pasts and Pete gives his thoughts on contemporary British and Irish stars of the screen.Send us your latest stories, questions and comments here: hello@lukeandpeteshow.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Just call me Angel in the morning, do you remember who sang that, Lukie Moore? Beautiful. That was a beautiful rendition. Yeah, I can't remember. She's got a funny name. It was covered by Shaggy. It was covered by Shaggy. Could somebody find out, aka.
Starting point is 00:00:29 That's the version of mine, right? Lukey Moore, can you, I can't type and talk. Just Call Me Angel in the morning. Her name's like Marmalade Adams or something. strange like that I always find. It's a lovely tune. It's a lovely tune, isn't it? Yeah. Oh, age of the morning by Juice Newton. Juice Newton. Sounds like a wrestler. Juice Newton. What a name. Juice Newton. Is that her real name?
Starting point is 00:00:53 I couldn't tell you. I'm going to check though. What's that popped into your mind for? Why is it, why have you got that on your brain? I think sometimes when you start the show, I'm like, by its very nature, the loose and the loose and peach short, that is very much how we pitch it. The loose and peach short, it's very loose and sometimes Petey. Judith Newton. Judith Newton, nickname Judith Newton and she called us out. It just sounds like
Starting point is 00:01:15 the sort of name a, like a baseball player would have or something. Juice. Very nice. I'd never really consider it. I very much remember the follow-up to Shaggies. It wasn't me, which was Angel. Yeah. Well, the original, just called me Angel in the Morning, has a lovely sort of synth hit.
Starting point is 00:01:35 Da-da-da! which sounds like, something you'd hear in like a kind of a film. I feel da-da-da-da. Something very exciting. I want to show the nation. My appreciation. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:46 He should not have been allowed to do that. I think collectively we need to be more resourceful. People see the money, then they? People see the money, baby. They do need to just get on, with their lives and just say, look, we can't have him ruining these songs.
Starting point is 00:02:02 Would you say they just need to get, get, get over it? Is that O'Key-Go? It's one of your ones, isn't it? It's not one of my ones. O'Kor is nowhere near, the usual trash that I listen to. For one, they had a global hit or two. True. Very much, yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:21 Speaking of Shaggy covers, I used to live with the boyfriend of Mungo Jerry's daughter. That's right, yes, okay, yes. And Shaggy obviously covered in the summertime as well, didn't he? I imagine he covered How much money is shaggy making? Because obviously back then you could make a bit of money from music being shaggy in that but presumably you're not making that much money
Starting point is 00:02:44 because you're just covering people's music He's had some big hits though I know I mean Mr Boobastic production-wise is absolutely beautiful That'll be a sample That'll be a sample that will be expensive to clear no doubt I don't know what it's from
Starting point is 00:03:01 Presumly some kind of Japanese kind of monster movie or something I don't er oh, da,
Starting point is 00:03:08 da, da, da, da, da, da, Dei da, Carolina are both really good.
Starting point is 00:03:12 Oh, I forgot about Carolina. Carolina's his first one, wasn't it? That man was a fucking terrorist. Oh,
Starting point is 00:03:16 Caroline, yeah, Carolina, that would have been a, um, that would have been a um, that would have been,
Starting point is 00:03:20 um, that would have been, a funky groove, Pete? It was a funky groove that he's kind of, uh, that he's messed with. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:03:28 how is he, I just don't know how he's making any money, to be quite frank, because they feel like expensive samples that must be cleared. I don't think it's your concern, though. I don't, I worry about Shabby. Just enjoy the music.
Starting point is 00:03:41 I worry about Coolio. I worry about the Backstreet Boys. I worry about these people who have used samples. Cudio is dead of me. Coorio is dead as well. He really did have that, he really did go down the line of that haircut for a long time, didn't he? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:58 He just kept on, like the little, his whole vibe was like tiny little sort of very tight like sort of straw thin dreadlocks wasn't it? Yeah. And then stick in the air. I don't know what you call them but they just got smaller smaller, smaller,
Starting point is 00:04:13 smaller until there was not there. He lived, a bit like Terribo West did the same. Right, okay. Yeah, well it still had the, still the, but Terribo West at least had enough he had little beads on his, didn't he? He did to sort of wear them down. Yeah, but it got thinner and thinner. Would you be allowed beads nowadays? I feel like that could whip someone in the eye,
Starting point is 00:04:33 give someone a nasty, nasty pain. I mean, even Culeo's massive hit Gangsters Paradise, which sold over 5 million copies, that's obviously sampled pastime paradise for Stevie Wonder, isn't it? Yeah. So he's handing all that money over as well. He's handing all that money over that, as well.
Starting point is 00:04:48 You're going to be able to, you're going to be able to keep some of the sweet mood are, though. You're not going to give it all away. I mean, I know that the Verve had to give away all of bit of sweet symphony to the stones, didn't they? Yeah. Is there an argument to say that Gags's Paradise was a more successful single than the one it was based on? I think you can't deny that, surely.
Starting point is 00:05:08 I think it probably was, wasn't it? It was pastime Paradise even released as a single? No, I feel like it was an album track. I feel like it was an album track. But, yeah. The trick you want to be doing is doing what old Drey was doing back in the day. Right. And sampling quite...
Starting point is 00:05:21 Pushing women downstairs? No. No. Sorry. That's not the point of making. You've got to separate the album and the artist. Although I have to say, for the record, that was terrible. Me or him?
Starting point is 00:05:32 You want to be sampling like obscure stuff, I think. Right. Yeah, but like you could, it can always be found and you better spend that money quick because if you're in a situation where you spent all the money and they suddenly realize that that's their sample. I mean, do you reckon there's any... Riz's sampling like obscure like kung fu movies. Hmm.
Starting point is 00:05:53 Do you think that, yeah, do you think that sampling kind of like music from the past, there are a few quite famous artists who've done. that. No one's been able to find the sample, but they sort of, you know, it's their, it's their Chelsea historical improprieties that, you know, they're thinking every night on your yacht that this could all be taken away tomorrow if somebody notices that I've used. Well, so you can never quite fully relax. You can never quite relax. You can never truly relax. You know, you're lauded for being this incredible artist, but at some point someone, you know, the piper will have to be paid.
Starting point is 00:06:29 Yeah, I see what you're saying. how you feel about the money you've made from podcasting? Well, all the jokes I've stolen over the years off of a podcast I've listened to. All references and that. All kinds. All kinds. All of the place.
Starting point is 00:06:41 Would you say you're particularly bad for that? No, I don't think I am. But I sometimes do it. Think that should be edited out because that is a direct lift and then think, and then forget that I've done it. And then it just goes out. And then, you know.
Starting point is 00:06:58 Do what I do. I do. I only ever steal jokes from listeners of that. they send to you personally? Because they're powerless? No, because I noticed that you sent a video to me and Jim on the same day, because you were both doing the ramble on the same day,
Starting point is 00:07:13 and you're sending stuff to both me and Jim at the same time. Yeah, because if I think the audience is going to enjoy it, I'll share it with both of you. What's the problem with that? I just think sometimes, because I do that sometimes, and then I worry,
Starting point is 00:07:24 I worry that if I get, but you should have like a list of like, you know, things that Jim and I would enjoy, which I would very much like to see what else is in that Venn diagram. But, you know, when you forward stuff, do not type SNL UK into the running audio, you absolute nightmare. We can't have another show where he slits down for no reasons. Well, we can because the trailer's come out.
Starting point is 00:07:46 Well, we can. I'll share it with you, you didn't respond. So you're going to respond in a minute. Carry on, make your point. Make your point. The, it's shit. Everyone knows it's shit. It's going to be shit. Just get through it.
Starting point is 00:07:59 Why are you sipping out of a straw? Like you're in... What is even that? Have you bought some of that magnesium drink they're advertising on Instagram? If you drink red wine every night, why not try this magnesium drink? It's like...
Starting point is 00:08:13 It was like a sharp... I think it was a sharp lemon magnesium drink that they're advertising Instagram. I'm like, that sounds terrible. You need a PR this better. It's a sharp magnesium drink. I'm not having that market in my timeline. This is a phanta tropical fruit twist.
Starting point is 00:08:29 something. Yeah. Oh, okay. I don't mind that. Carry on. I'll tell you, the answer to your question is the stuff I send to you
Starting point is 00:08:35 and Jim, you know, at the same time, tends to be kind of off the beat and track comedy stuff that you're like or wet indie music. Right, okay. But you don't think that
Starting point is 00:08:46 I don't like it sometimes when I forward something to someone and then I forward it again and I think it sometimes comes up in their WhatsApp sort of timeline saying forwarded. Yeah, you've got to do copy. You got to do copy
Starting point is 00:08:57 and then paste. Don't do forward it. You're forward. It looks like you're rehashing old stuff which of course you probably are generally. And you are
Starting point is 00:09:04 but you're just not a copy and paste. Do you want to I think the development in the Saturday Night Live UK world is that the trailer came out. The trailer did come out,
Starting point is 00:09:15 yeah. And I said to you on the record a week ago. This isn't a record? I would be scared if this was on the record. A record of anything.
Starting point is 00:09:26 It's a record of our increasing amounts of dementia. That's all it is. What does record mean? Record. What are we doing now? Recording. But that makes it sound more lofty.
Starting point is 00:09:37 You know what I mean? But your own... It's weird. Our RSS output is just a big bid for a spitz. Your confidence issues are your confidence issues. Don't bring me into it. Your problem, mate. Your name on our Riverside recording is Captain Colossus.
Starting point is 00:09:54 It was Jane McDonald's for about three months. I know, and mine is buns. I can't remember why I wrote that. I said, on the record, I wanted it to be good. Right. The trailer, I don't... Did you say you wanted it to be good? I would like it to be good.
Starting point is 00:10:09 I'd love to watch it. Well, he's all like things to be good, but they're more fruitful and they're not. Why you put the trailer out without a single joke in it? Answer me that. Oh, God, it's just... Oh! There's just not... You can talk about it for months, but it's just, it's not great.
Starting point is 00:10:33 The new cycle has been sort of dominated by S&LUK and the NVIDIA DLSS-5 debacle this week. Do you want to go any further on the S&LUK? There's also a bit of war. It's an awful situation. Well, all right, we'll do S&LUK, then we'll do DLSS-5, and then we'll do the war. Oh, cool. See that guy fucking recording a day
Starting point is 00:11:00 when the British guy in Beirut got bombed by the Israelis because they love killing journalists. Yeah, he got absolutely smashed up. I hope he's all right.
Starting point is 00:11:12 It literally just happened. Who was it? I don't know. I don't know. He was a Beirut-based war reporter, British guy. The whole thing's a complete shit show man,
Starting point is 00:11:22 Jesus. Just, well, it's good to know that they can do that outside of Gaza, anyway. Cost of America, $13 billion a day. They're going to afford that, can't they?
Starting point is 00:11:33 Could anyone afford that? If you want to build a ballroom. Anyway, make your point, make your point. What's my point? S&LUK doesn't look good. DLSS, you brought in S&LUK, DLSF is a new way of making faces, video games look better.
Starting point is 00:11:51 InVidia revealed it. It's a work in progress. But basically what they've done is get your normal faces in video games and they've sort of yulsified them. You've basically used AI to make them look like pornography. You know what I mean? You know like the dolled up faces you're seeing like pornography? A lot of like the...
Starting point is 00:12:13 What's the name of the chip? It's not a chip. It's an algorithmic process that a computer can do. What's it called? At runtime. DLSS, no, DLSS. DLSS 5. DLSS 5.
Starting point is 00:12:27 And they've basically shown this video of some woman and man from Resident Evil, the new one, don't really know, I'm not familiar with that title at all, but these two people from Resident Evil, and they're basically turned like a woman, no one was face into like lip fillers, like makeup, and all that stuff. And in the game at that time, it's all sanctioned by, you know, the people who made the, certainly the people who released the game, possibly not the people who made the game. and it's really it's basically like AI slop
Starting point is 00:12:59 for video games and in video are very excited about it and the internet isn't and it's fair to say that they these this kind of war is very much kind of it's enduring let's say it's enduring the court of public opinion
Starting point is 00:13:12 on the internet has decided that it's not good it's not good even people who companies like Digital Foundry who very much concentrate all of their kind of YouTubey work
Starting point is 00:13:24 on pixel counting. You know, like when video games are released or when new graphics cards are released, they look at the technology behind video games because there's people who enjoy video games as stories, as experiences,
Starting point is 00:13:38 as multiplayer, you know, waste of, you know, enjoy your time. And digital foundry of people, and there are people who enjoy the technology behind it. You know, they turn on a game just to see how video games have advanced graphically. And digital foundry very much.
Starting point is 00:13:54 They are, you know, a magazine show. People who kind of like basically measure frames per second and stuff like that. You know, they sort of say how... It's very charming, but it's basically the same people who talk about how you would improve the specs on your car from stock. Do you know what I mean? Add a turbo in here. Yeah. Improve your air intake. Do some...
Starting point is 00:14:16 Give us some nitrous. Give us some nitros. And so it's stuff like that really. But they basically came out. They went to NVIDIA to see this new technology. and a couple of them went, oh, this is really good, it's amazing. And then they put their video out.
Starting point is 00:14:30 They were sort of regarded by a lot of fans as shilling for Nvidia because the actual results, if you sort of take a step back and see the forest rather than just the trees, it's an astonishing bit of shit. What are they going to do then? Probably go back to the old NVIDIA drawing board,
Starting point is 00:14:49 one might suggest. But the problem with a lot of this stuff is and the problem with a lot of these kind of AI yasification apps is that a lot of the training data is based on pornography and everyone wears makeup in pornography, everyone
Starting point is 00:15:05 looks as best as they can or as certainly, you know, one might suggest there's not a natural you know, natural beauty. Exactly, it's a sheer volume of content that they can train it on. Exactly. There's just more pornography than, you know. And you got to remember, like most people who are having their pictures taken and get uploaded on the internet,
Starting point is 00:15:21 they're looking at their best, they're not looking like normal people. They're looking... This show being an exception of it's being scraped. Exactly. Can we have some podcast AI help, please? So it's really, really... So a lot of like those kind of beautification apps
Starting point is 00:15:39 are based on... All this, be... In the same week that Metaverse is closing down. I know. As I said, on the text to you, I want to run to you. But I can't, because I don't have any legs, because this is the Metaverse.
Starting point is 00:15:53 Do we, does that mean we get our legs back? Yeah, I guess. That was the big thing in the metaverse, isn't it? You don't have legs in the metaverse. Yeah, I mean, is, I mean, will anyone notice this? Uh, I think Mark Zuckerberg hasn't cared about it for some time. He's, uh, he's, uh, he basically dialed. How much?
Starting point is 00:16:11 80 million? 80 billion in total. 80 billion. I was going to say, yeah, that, that's in kind of law. Um, yeah, he sort of, he sort of dialed down the chat about VR and VR headsets and dialed up the, um, the, um, the whole. Holocaust denial. That's kind of his
Starting point is 00:16:24 thing, isn't it? Why do they keep, why do, like one of my favorite things to come out in the Metaverse was that kind of AI fake advert where it made Mark Zuckerberg
Starting point is 00:16:34 say in one of his dreadful presentation videos. And don't forget, if you die in the Metaverse, you also die in real life. It's just so bleak, so dystopian, right? Like, all this stuff going on,
Starting point is 00:16:49 man. Like, that, in video thing's fascinating. But this, metaverse, it's people are very happy, aren't they, to throw Zuckerberg, Musk, all these other guys up as
Starting point is 00:17:01 like geniuses, right? And a lot of what they touch turns to shit. Yeah. No, because like a lot of their kind of successes are frequently when they were in their early 20s or they just bought it in. Do you know what I mean? They acquired different companies that
Starting point is 00:17:16 were successful and it's like the old Elon Musk thing, you know, buying Tesla. It's like, oh, he's he's saving the car industry. He bought an electric car company. So there you go. How many people do you reckon are actually using the Metaverse? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:17:35 It's closing, isn't it? That's what I'm saying. But how many people are, how many people is it going to actually affect is what I'm saying? Yeah. Well, I don't know. I mean, there's still people presumably floating around second life. We should do a second life podcast. We should go on second life and do a podcast.
Starting point is 00:17:53 in second life. Bring back. How would we do that? And how would it be different and what would make it interesting? Second life. This is, we've thought about it
Starting point is 00:18:02 more than fucking Zuckerberg, did. Have you got legs in second life? We've got legs in second life. Hey, and float around and everything. Let's have a break, Peter.
Starting point is 00:18:09 When we come back, I want to talk about your new glasses which make you look like Hugh Grant in the film, Heretic. Where's that come from? We're back with a look of Pete short. I have a little slurper of my drink.
Starting point is 00:18:20 Do you have a little slurper? You have a little slurper. A lot. Oh, that is a shame. So you've got some new glasses because you left your glasses in a car park in the South End. Someone stamped on them. Yeah. Found them on the floor of the car park later that day.
Starting point is 00:18:36 And you decided to buy a new pair. Is that right? I did have to buy a new pair, yeah. Did all that stuff I just said happen? All of that stuff happened. Went to the shop. I didn't go to a Vision Express. I went to like an oldie timey, you know, man in his, you know, approaching a seven.
Starting point is 00:18:51 He's doing it old school for me eye test and glasses. And I tell you what, it's a bloody good prescription. I can see a lot, a lot better than I used to from the Vision Express glasses. He's going back to basics. They are at least 300 quid more than what I actually spend. But hey, what are you going to do? What are you going to do? And do you pleased with the style of them?
Starting point is 00:19:13 Not necessarily. I took a picture of them when I was in the shop to my partner and said, any good? and she replied and I seemed maybe I was in a fit of a fit of a fit of a peak can be good or bad
Starting point is 00:19:28 can it like positive of a negative can it a fit of excitement isn't it reverie it's like I think so I think so yeah so I was in a fit of peak at the excitement of getting new glasses and I say hey do you watch it in these and I thought
Starting point is 00:19:40 what was replied to me was a thumbs up you know let go for it they look all right what does she actually say what were the words she used I think it was something about looking like a murderer. You look like Hugh Grant in the film Heretic.
Starting point is 00:19:55 Now, I've not seen Heretic, but he's on the poster. Well, then you're not allowed to use the reference then? I've seen it on the poster. You're not allowed to use the... Well, you don't know what happens in it. He might be misunderstood. I suspect he plays a really horrible person in it. I'm trying to roll back to see the pictures of me selecting the glasses.
Starting point is 00:20:12 All I can see is the picture of Lenny Kravitz's dad that I keep sending to people. Go on, have you seen Lenny Kravitz's dad? He'd wear these glasses. No worries. What's so interesting about Lenny Kravitz's dad? Tell the listeners. He looks very nerdy and Lenny Kravitz is beautiful. He's a Hollywood star, like sex symbol, basically.
Starting point is 00:20:31 He's not a Hollywood sex symbol, Peter. He's a rock star. He was in, he was in loads of films. What films are you been in? You should better name me one then? Um, uh, he's in, uh... He's in Zoolander himself. He was in...
Starting point is 00:20:47 He was in... He's in the new James Bond video game. Okay. He's a baddie. 207 First Light. I've never heard of it. O'O7 First Light, that's right, yes, yeah. And he's obviously his daughter as a film star,
Starting point is 00:21:00 so maybe you're getting a bit confused by that as well. Yes, that is fair. That is fair. Yeah, I've looked at the picture that I sent Sarah. I said, what do you reckon? She said, sorry, only just seen this. Staying on the 70s vibe will look like the Partage family, presumably referring to some kind of 70 stuff.
Starting point is 00:21:17 that said before. She said... So you saw that as an endorsement, basically? Yeah. And she did go on to say they do have a hint of Dennis Nielsen. But that was after I'd ordered them. So, you know. And Dennis Norton, thinking about it.
Starting point is 00:21:33 No, Dennis Norton was... Oh, Dennis Norton. I haven't heard his name mention for a long old time. He'll be all right on the night. It sure will. He used to that thing where he would very gently present Gaffes in TV and movies. And he would gently look at the... the audience in the studio, wouldn't he?
Starting point is 00:21:50 Yeah. When they have a situation where you've got Dennis Norton, not Nielsen, doing clips from like, like, people like fucking up on telly and stuff. They also used to have, like, I think a sister program where he would have like, before they were famous shows as well. Yeah. Was that him? I feel like that was him.
Starting point is 00:22:17 You know, they'd sort of say, hey, look at this. Hey, look at the fellow who's in, who's in films now. He used to be in EastEnders. Do you know what I mean? It was like, it was really basic stuff. Teppid stuff. Yeah, but we didn't have access to, we didn't have access to anything. Do you know what's also really interesting as well, I find with these types of guys.
Starting point is 00:22:39 He's like, there's a generation of TV and movie people, British normally, who have also had like really quite decorated service in the Second World War. And you never think about it. Like Dennis Norton was a signals guy for the Royal Air Force based in Europe when basically when Britain and the US went, you know, bludgeoning back through Europe. And it's like an amazing anecdote of him where him and he so basically while he was in the signals unit for the RIA, he also was writing comedies and stage plays and stuff for the troops and that kind of shit
Starting point is 00:23:20 right that was like his thing he was good at and so him and Eric Sykes he obviously contemporary Spike Milligan comedy guy that one there's this amazing story where like in like 1945 just before the end of the war they end up putting on this play this stage play is comedy or whatever and they're out there
Starting point is 00:23:37 they're based somewhere out in Europe and they need to get some some stage lighting, right? They're based on something like that. The Allies have basically kind of liberated parts of Germany, so they're in Germany somewhere towards the end of the war. They'd get some stage lighting. So they start, they start kind of searching around,
Starting point is 00:23:56 jump in a fucking Land Rover or whatever, just start searching around. Turn up, they find some at Bergen-Belsen concentration camp, which has been liberated recently by the Allies. And they end up just organising massive food collections to feed all the starving camp inmates and trying to save lives and stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:24:15 And it's just an amazing thing to think of given that like we know him as being on like quite a... And a vuncular old man on the telly. Thin, grawl on ITB1, like 2014. But that's like part of his life and no one would know about it. He fed Belson prisoners.
Starting point is 00:24:31 Yeah. That's some fucking respect. It's like David Niven's another one. Like David Niven. I'm always talking about David Niven I know, but like he's this like leading man in the Golden Age of Hollywood. Like sacks off Hollywood for a bit
Starting point is 00:24:40 to go and come all the way back. to the UK, fight, ends up being like a commissioned army officer in some light infantry fucking place
Starting point is 00:24:49 and fights and goes back again. It's just crazy you think of, I think. Yeah, absolutely wild. Yeah. I mean,
Starting point is 00:24:56 I guess everybody of that age would have a, you know, pretty much have a story like that, I suppose. Apart from the craze, them lot.
Starting point is 00:25:03 A lot of that lot were just on the rob, weren't they? Just on the rob. Constantly, constantly on the rob. Probably easy to be on the rob when you're outst in rubble I suppose.
Starting point is 00:25:12 That's what he said. Wasn't it? Mad Frankie Fraser or someone who said that that was the best time in in his industry. That was the best time. The Blitz. No one was fucking out.
Starting point is 00:25:22 All the lights were off. Do what you want. Cheers, mate. Thanks for me. Thanks for me help with that. There's people who are being bombed out of their houses. At least you've stolen all their stuff. Well done.
Starting point is 00:25:30 Absolutely terrible. By the way, speaking of that, I watched the Piki Blinders movie. Oh, right. Any, can you jump back into it? Because I do, look, I enjoyed the first, couple of seasons. And I wanted to get to the point where Tom Hardy gets in because I like him.
Starting point is 00:25:46 I didn't get there. I didn't get there. Well, he's in, Tom Hardy's in the new Peeky Blanders movie. He's not, no, he's good. He's good in the series, though. Right. He's in the series. The little Irish fellow who,
Starting point is 00:25:58 Barry Keogh. He's starting to look like a 70s nan. Barry Keogh. Barry Keon. He, he's in it, isn't he? Yeah, it's not a brilliant movie, to be honest. No? I didn't really get it.
Starting point is 00:26:10 I didn't think it was that. good. I thought it's a bit pointless. What's the main sort of plot? Well, it's now fast forward to the Second World War because of it's set just after the First World War the series. It's not the Second World War.
Starting point is 00:26:21 And Barry Keone's character is Duke Shelby, who is Tommy Shelby's son. Right. And he's running a mock in Birmingham while the world is at war. Right. And they're trying to convince Tommy Shelby
Starting point is 00:26:36 to come out of retirement. He's in some country estate somewhere, seeing ghosts addicted to opium and they want to come back and sort everything out. Tim Ross plays the bad guy. To me, the thing that's annoying about it is that I didn't really understand the motivation for all the stuff that was going on. I didn't really get the plot. And then it also had Stephen Gray and Barry Keone,
Starting point is 00:26:59 Killeh, Rebecca Ferguson, and Tim Roth in it. And I thought to myself, this should be better. This is very much, this is less than the sum of its parts here, this. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's what I like about sort of British stars and Irish stars. They will be in massive
Starting point is 00:27:18 Hollywood numbers. You know, they are, they're not earlisters, but, you know, they're not their very best sea list as British talent usually. But they're very versatile. You know, the coin, the Qionnes and the main guy as well. He's going to be in a new Beatles movie and stuff,
Starting point is 00:27:33 isn't he? Yeah, but yeah, well, but they never get to they never get to an A-list sort of AA, double A-list stars. No, they never do. Killea Murphy is. He's Irish, not British, but. We always get very excited about that sort of thing. Killing-Murphy, Pete, Pete, Pete, Pete, Pete.
Starting point is 00:27:51 Kee-Murphy is the closest. Killion Murphy is an A-List actor, but is he double A-list? Is he going to be in the new Jurassic Park? Is he going to be getting paid $10 million? I'm just saying that they... He's in Chris Nola movies. He is in Chris Nol. and I imagine
Starting point is 00:28:08 Chris Nolan probably spends more on IMAX Kordek functionality than he does to the actual... Well, that's fair. That's fair. But he's in, like, huge stuff and he's a really steady,
Starting point is 00:28:23 like, you know, excellent act, Nick Murphy. But they always come back to do like fucking shit on ITV. Do you know what I mean? They always come back to do... You're not getting Murphy on ITV now. You're not getting Murphy on TV now.
Starting point is 00:28:34 But a lot, like Graham will go out and he'll do, you know, big stuff and he'll be lorded all around town and he you know who's this stuff Stephen Grimm is an example is a bad example because he will he will always do stuff like that but I just always think that these guys who's the fellow who was in um it was in 50 sheds that guy uh northern Irish brook um the uh whips Johnny Jamie Dornan Jamie Dornan he he'll be going out there and he'll be you know B list kind of you know getting there kind of like you know job and act then and doing really well leading man and
Starting point is 00:29:07 yet he'll come back and do a little bit of BBC. Yeah. He'll come back and do a little bit here and there. Quite specific people aren't quite A-list actors. I think Killian Murphy... But I just, they always come back to do a little bit of telly, a little bit of British telly. I know.
Starting point is 00:29:22 Stephen Graham does do that. I think Stephen Graham is a very good example of that. I think he just loves the scripts, doesn't he? He just follows the script. Yeah, he just love, but it's the love of the game, isn't it? The love of ITV, the love of Emmadale. But the thing is, the thing with Killeem Murphy as well is, he's always going to be an actor, right?
Starting point is 00:29:38 He's not a film star necessarily. I think if you're talking about your Jurassic Park movies, you kind of Chris Pratt kind of vehicles. He's basically a film star, isn't he? Yeah. He's a movie star rather than... Where's Britain's Jeremy Renner? We can't even get a Renner.
Starting point is 00:29:52 I don't even got Renner. I don't really get out of Renner. No, Jerry Renner's a wanker. He's one of those guys who cannot hide how objectionable he is. Do you remember when he had that app? No. he had the
Starting point is 00:30:05 Jeremy he did have that accident he did have that accident he had that app somebody reminded us about it he had that app and it was so badly made that every time Jeremy Renner would have put a post out whatever people replied
Starting point is 00:30:21 would be ceded out to all of his fans as if it came from Jeremy Renner so that when people would just literally be going I'm having a big wank Jeremy and it would go it would get email That message would get emailed as if it was a post from Jeremy Renner saying,
Starting point is 00:30:37 Hi guys, I'm having a bit wham. It's a Jeremy Renner official app. Yeah, it was called Jeremy Renner Official. Yeah. 2017. Quite a 2017 story, this. Yeah, they're all a bit like, you know, like how Gwen Stefani married that country bloc and went Christian? Do you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:30:56 They're all a bit like, they're all a bit mega church, those kind of guys, aren't they? People only go Christian normally when they've got some pretty serious charges to contend. Little Tommy Duchess, yeah. Yeah. I didn't know. I thought, because Gwen Stefani was Gavin Rossdale, wouldn't she? Yes. And then, but Rosdell seems like he's, what a handsome couple.
Starting point is 00:31:15 Rossdale, just abs, very ab-heavy couple. So my friend who edits songwriting magazine, he had Gavin Rossdale as a cover star, the most recent issue. Right. So it was a really nice fella. Lovely guy. Yeah. I felt quite insecure about not being as good as Kirk Cobain and being massive in America, but not really being that well accepted in the UK.
Starting point is 00:31:34 A very interesting interview, actually. It's good one to be, though, wasn't it? Out of the two. Would you rather be the killers or would you rather be Bush? Actually, it's a bad example because I've had a very, very long career. But probably do a lot of business in South America, I imagine the killers. If you're going to be big and wild, they'll be big in America, I'd say. Yeah, hugely, hugely.
Starting point is 00:31:54 It's like Rumble struggles badly in America, don't it? Rumble doesn't get anywhere in America, no traction. Things we say, no abs. And we're not. We need to get Marcus's. love of the church front and center. So what we need. We need the Markers Speller app.
Starting point is 00:32:06 We need a Markispera Super Church. Daily platitudes. Daily platitudes. Our on security. We need to get Marks the Church. So that's what we'll work on. We use the Nvidia DLSS5 software. We need to DLSS at 5 ourselves.
Starting point is 00:32:22 Right. We'll be back on Thursday. Hello at Loophead Show.com. If you want to tell us about people who have surprising-looking dads, It'd be nice, yeah. Yeah, and if you've got anything else for us, just hello, Lukepchor.com, you're also getting touch on the YouTube and all kinds of other places.
Starting point is 00:32:43 We plug the email address every show. Yeah. Never read any. What do you mean? Well, maybe we should. Well, sometimes we do it. Well, why do we make it an email special? I'm spent.
Starting point is 00:32:52 I've got nothing next show, I'm sure. I can get half an hour about your out of your glasses again next time. All right, fine. See you later. The Luke and Pete show is a stack production and part of the ACAST creator network.

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