The Luke and Pete Show - Liquid nitrogen in a Yakult

Episode Date: September 7, 2020

On today’s episode, we’re talking about the work of John Cage, what makes a good roast dinner and why Pete is not to be trusted with the company credit card under any circumstances.Also on today��s show, we’ve got an email from a listener who swallowed his wedding ring and is desperately clinging to the Luke and Pete Show for guidance.All that, as well as Clapham Junction, pregnancy tests and a church organ.***Please rate and review us on Apple, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. It means a lot and makes it easy for other people to find us. Thank you!*** Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

look if it doesn't work we'll just have to do it again it's the luke and peach your hello minus pete donaldson i'm joined by luke moore i'm in my bedroom uh slash office luke is in an offshore oil rig uh like um rescue boat yeah he's kind of floating just outside the oil rig the oil rig's on fire um proper Piper Alpha level, and he is just waiting to get rescued. So how are you doing? Bobbing around in the sea, mate? Are you all right?

Yeah, I didn't do it. I just happened to be passing the oil rig at the time. Yeah. Unfortunately, a few things went awry. You fell in. If you're going to ask anyone ask the safety officer at the oil rig, don't ask me, I know nothing about it I know nothing about oil rigs, I don't even know anything about oil

Do you know where oil comes from? The ground I am kind of fascinated by how they drill through the sea basically into the ground to get oil and I'm also fascinated as to

how they actually build those rigs in the first place yeah how do you get like because i mean i mean i presume it starts with rocks uh they just build up a mound of rocks or drop cement in drop cement blocks in and then they've got to somehow kind of i don't know put a load of cement in to drive the things in the ground. And obviously it's very, very deep. I'm sure this has been explained on several YouTube videos I could be watching at any point in the next few hours, and no doubt I will.

But yeah, I don't really know how you manage to sort of keep something in the ground when it's underground, if you know what I mean. I don't know how people build bridges, really. No. And I think, yeah, I feel let down by the fact that I would have expected you to have almost certainly watched several YouTube videos about this. And if you haven't, that's rocked me a little bit. I went to a museum of technology or technology and communications in i want to say rotterdam and

they had you know those big deep sea um transatlantic pipes that take over the internet yeah they had that and uh how thick and massive they are obviously they've got that they've got to take um you know huge huge take huge amounts of information over, but I just cannot believe they're so chunky and thick, and yet they hold so much data. Well, they lay them down at the bottom of the ocean, basically. I remember my dad sort of, when all of this started happening, they started laying these gigantic networks of cables

at the bottom of the sea with several other ones for redundancy reasons uh my dad um was up for a job to do that obviously he used to be in the navy so kind of the sea is his mistress so to speak yeah um and he um yeah he was uh he really wanted that job he also wanted a job working in a signal box at Hartlepool Station. He likes the solitude of the sea and also the signal box. My friend tells a good story. In fact, I'm sure you won't mind me mentioning it because he's told the story himself before. He used to work on the railways in the 70s.

That was like his first job right and um he said that the the the railways in the uk then were so like run by the unions that it got like absolutely ridiculous to the point of where he said he was a young young lad like apprentice or whatever sat in an office at victoria and um he had made a cup of tea for one of the managers. And the manager was quite rude to him. And one of his colleagues, one of the union men, his colleagues, said, did that guy just speak to you like that?

And he said, yeah. And he went, all right, I'm not having that. Spoke to one of his mates and said, do you hear that guy just spoke to him? No, I didn't hear. What did he say? He said that. And the guy got really pissed off.

Right, speak to Clapham Junction. Get the whole fucking thing shut down. And threatened to shut down the whole of Clapham Junction because someone was rude to someone. And he was like, it's all right. Don't worry about it. It's fine. And he said that they were like properly ready to go.

And he said there's a load of weird guys who used to sit in those signal boxes. They were quite strange, solitary type chaps. Because of course, it was all done manually then, right? Yeah, yeah. And obviously, I mean, he jumped from one chemical process operation job that went up the swan because Huntsman Tioxide just left Hartlepool or most of their operations in Hartlepool.

Was that the big company that employed everyone, was it? Yeah, that was the power station that employed everyone's dads effectively, Tioxide and Stately and all those places, the power station as well. Who have armed guards? I only recently kind of figured out. But of course, if you're guarding uranium, I wouldn't know where to look.

If I went into a power station, I mean, the reactor obviously, probably got a few... I don't think I'd know what I was looking at though. The only thing I would have to go on would be the tv show dark right okay or just homer simpson in the yeah yeah a bright green i would expect it to be glowing yeah yeah so yeah no i've no idea how that would uh i've no idea how to find that so even if even if i did defeat an armed guard at the doors of the article by station uh but yeah But yeah, I think he decided to get into a career that was even more fragile than chemical process operating as well.

Wow. Making tetradioxide. And do you think that there's, is there anything in, because didn't you say that there was a pipe going out into the sea near where you grew up, where they were just churning stuff out there? I don't think dioxide were, but certainly, I mean, there's always pipes. You're allowed to dump so much stuff.

Most councils are allowed to dump so many pounds of sewage. It's counted in hours, so many hours of sewage, which is upsetting, isn't it? You're not talking tons. You're not talking metric tons or, you know, how many liters of sewage. You're literally going, how many hours of sewage can I dump into the water? Sounds like a Luke and Pete show. How many hours of sewage can we dump into the airwaves for people to consume? Half an hour every Monday, half an hour every Thursday.

It's absolutely fine. It certainly feels like it. By the way, one story that caught my eye this week. One of my cats is trying to get my attention. Stop it. Go away. One of the things that caught my eye um this week my cat one of my cats is trying to get my attention stop it go away oh um one of the things that caught my eye um yeah he's waving uh caught my eye this week is uh have you heard of a a composition a musical composition um by a composer called john cage called as slow as possible is it one not for like five minutes or something no so basically um john k who's this this kind of how would you describe him avant-garde kind of quite specialist composer and he's quite

challenging he does lots of kind of interesting ultra modern ideas he's dead now but one of his um compositions is called as slow as possible and um it's a musical composition that's designed to last for almost 640 years oh yeah it's a case and so fans um i mean they're not fans just i think just people you know nothing really better to do um they they turned up it's being played in its entirety at a church in germany and it started 19 years ago right yeah and the first note is a pause uh that that lasted 18 months and then it started and then um last week I think it might have even been on Saturday um there was a it was due to change chords and it changed chords on that day. Oh, right. And loads of people turned up to hear it change chords, and it did.

And the next chord change is the 5th of February 2022, and the piece will end in 2640. Now, why are they doing it in Germany? It's not like you've got cheap energy there. Go to Iceland, because there's something – what are they playing us on? So they use a church organ, but they put sandbags on the pedals? Yeah, right, okay. Oh, so it just plays constantly.

But you've still got to have those – what if the church organ breaks down? Is there a backup church organ to take over? I'm confused and scared that at any point that church organ will, the music will outlive the life cycle of the actual organ itself. Yeah, John Cage is a bit of a character because the thing he's most famous for is that piece called Four Minutes, Thirty-Three Seconds, where it's from the 50s. I was doing some reading around it when I found out about this

and it's for a combination of different players and musicians but the instructions in the piece itself say to the performers to not play their instruments for 4 minutes 33

and what the listener hears is the environmental sounds around for the amount of time that it lasts it's kind of what the listener hears is the environmental sounds around for the amount of time that it lasts it's kind of like an artistic statement basically he's um he's a character he's a character there's a lot there's a lot of people that would say steven living with that kind of i don't know he got paid very much he's dead now anyway no no but interestingly he was um he was um i'm not sure if he was married to him, but his life partner was a guy who I think is credited

with being almost a father of modern dance. So I think in that era, they were quite influential around, he was influential around avant-garde kind of music ideas, and his partner was influential around super modern dance. So they've made quite a big contribution together to modern art, basically, a bit of a musical and dance kind of persuasion. Quite interesting, I thought, anyway.

I just think if you are going to insist on someone playing a piece of music for 16 years or however many years, you are duty-bound to insist that it is played on something like a glass harmonica. Yeah. It's something that's quite hard and hard to play. You've got to keep wetting your fingers.

It's got a very ghostly property. The glass would wear down. Your fingers would wear down. It would be like you've been picking pineapples. It would be, I would prefer if he was doing that kind of caper. I was just reading about it. It says here the final note will actually be played to coincide with you handing your expenses for me.

We've talked about this on the ramble. I've actually done it. It's 2640. It's happened. Have you actually done it? It's happened. Yeah, I did it last week. I sat down.

I'm not a fan of Excel. I'm not familiar with the formulae, and I've not used it properly um to any great uh degree especially when to be honest a lot of the things were charged in dollars and euros and i had to find historical references to what the exchange rate was on that day so i wasn't mugging anyone off because i'm a responsible human being well you're not responsible we established that it's taken you five years to hand expenses being. Well, you're not responsible. We established that. It's taken you five years to hand expenses in. You're not responsible. There's nothing responsible about that.

I am avant-garde. If you're playing something really slow, I'm just really slow with my admin. I'm not trusted with the company credit card. That is the root of my problem. Everyone would have had my expenses in if I had the credit card, but I am not trusted with it.

I think nothing you've said over the last minute and a half goes against the justification for that decision. No, you're completely correct. Exactly. I was wondering whether my company card was going to work today because I used it for the first time since lockdown and it did actually work. Which was a huge surprise. So what's the damage?

What can the company expect to be invoiced for? I thought it was going to be in the tens, to be quite frank, but it's less than half of that, and I am a little bit annoyed because I didn't put any entertaining down, I didn't put any cups of tea or coffee or anything down, and I'm like, I should have kept records. But I can't keep records because I hate myself and I want to make my life as hard as possible.

So anyway, Pete, what did you get up to over the weekend or did the expenses claim take literally the whole weekend? I mean, that was me Friday, to be quite frank. And what did I do on Saturday? Watched a bit of that terrible football match. But Sunday, stayed in the house, had a roast dinner. Very nice. Did you cook it yourself?

Cooked it myself. What did you go for? Went for just the standard chicken and gravy and potatoes kind of combo. What makes a good roast dinner for you? What makes a good Sunday roast for you, mate? Keep it simple. Keep it. Don't go against your better judgment of trying to add too much stuff in

because the mother invention is me having access to things that don't go together. You famously like to use all the kitchen implements as well. Yes, exactly. It's a shit show when I'm in the thing. But as I've grown a little older, I realized I could sort of reuse pans halfway through a recipe. Empty them out, get them washed, and then start again with the same pan.

Yeah, nice. That is the key to a tidy kitchen. If I've said it once, I've said it a million times. You have only said it once. That's boss-level cooking, that. It is. So what I was talking about is you're just going to get a plain chicken breast, out of the packet, grill it, sprinkle some Bisto granules on the top,

serve it up. Done. Just done. Look look a constituent part so i'm like the uh who's that bald fella who uh glasses who just heston just chemicals isn't it the constructive chemicals yeah exactly i think i would be i think i would be i don't think i would be surprised if you well first of all i would be surprised if you invited me around for dinner but once i got over that if you did and i turned up and you were in the kitchen using some kind of like um what's it called that that that dry ice they used to free stuff i wouldn't be surprised you wouldn't be surprised no no not with you

pair of gloves pair of tongs some goggles on just getting involved um when i um put a lump of liquid nitrogen in um in a yakult and it bubbled and bubbled and bubbled. And I was like, it didn't really taste of anything after all. Are you supposed to? Yeah, because that's the thing, isn't it? I think when you have something that's really cold, the taste is deadened, isn't it? Because they say, so for example, if you go to a nice restaurant

and there's a cheese board or whatever, the cheese would have been laid out for a while because the colder the cheese, the less the flavour. And I think it's the same with white wine as well. Oh, is that right? Yeah, it should be slightly closer to room temperature. Yeah, I think most people drink white wine too cold and drink red wine too warm is the general rule, I think.

Interesting, interesting. Yeah, so there you go. I was going to say something else to you as well. Another story I found, which I wanted to share with you, is that this was sent in by Ruri, who said, this is classic Luke and Pete show content. There was a town in Eastern Belgium called Vervier, I think that's pronounced right.

And they took this little mini casket made of zinc, right, and they'd had it in the, I think it's like the town hall or whatever. Oh, no, actually, it was in a fountain in the center of the little village or town, and they basically renovated the fountain. And they took the zinc casket out and they looked at it, and it had been put there in 1839. Yeah. And it turned out to be the heart of the city's first mayor.

That's all you need. There was a heart in there, a human heart. Did it, had it kept, it just kind of dried out because it was in a completely sealed casket? I think it was in like a jar of alcohol in the middle of the casket okay fair dues yes i like that it's now on exhibition in a museum i don't i don't really know why um they did it like there was he was like a really well-loved mayor apparently because he founded the first um town's fire service and people loved him for it i think a lot of um obviously a lot of things were made of wood i guess and shit would burn down so he was all right i'm going to sort this out and to to

to kind of um thank him and to keep his memory alive um they could they hollowed out a stone put it in the middle of a fountain put his heart in a jar of alcohol and then put it in a casket and put it in there i don't even know if he asked it. It was like a posthumous kind of decision. Whose idea was this? We'll have that. No, exactly, yeah. Look, I'm giving you carte blanche to do whatever you want with whatever I've still got left by the time I die.

I would get your penis and put it on one of those little cherubs in the fountain and have your real-life penis pissing the water into the fountain. Nice. It would turn green after a while because of all the copper. But it would have been what you wanted, right? My penis on a child. Just like that Japanese answer.

Is that how you want it? I thought it was the right round. No. It's in my face. Speaking of children, did you see that I sent to the WhatsApp group a video of somebody who'd managed to convert the video game Doom to play on a rudimentary digital pregnancy kit, pregnancy set? Pregnancy detector.

What do they call them? Pregnancy detector? Test. Pregnancy test, yeah. Never has a man been less likely to become a parent than that sentence just there um can i just answer the question that you asked and say you sent a link i'm yet to click on the link but when you described it there i thought you were joking i thought it was a joke how is this even possible okay Well, anything with like a microprocessor from calculators to ATM machines or, sorry,

Just ATMs. ATMs. Yeah. I forgot how we were talking to you for a second there. Basically, or digital cameras, the back of digital cameras. People enjoy kind of modifying the firmware and the CPU to play Doom on calculators, digital cameras. But how do you actually play it, Pete?

What's the process? Well, the actual playing of it is less important than the fact that you've managed to get a video game that's 20 years old to play on something so rudimentary and simple as a pregnancy test kit, which is incredible. The little screen that comes with it. I think people have actually managed to make it, you know, play on the LCD screen.

Is it fair to say that these men doing this, and it will be men doing this, they would benefit greatly from being able to have full sex with another human being? No, because, well, they've got access to pregnancy tests, haven't they? Exactly. Exactly. benefit greatly from being able to have full sex with another human being no because no because well they've got access to pregnancy tests exactly exactly it says it says am i pregnant or not it says it says ak47 what does that mean it's it says bfg pregnant with a bfg but no incredible like incredible that they've been able to do it I had no idea that pregnancy tests

had become so incredibly advanced that they had LCD screens in them what a waste of technology what a waste of time all it needs to be is just a colour chart

really yeah what's the point of that it's just marketing it's just marketing it's technology for technology's sake should we take a quick

break and find out if we're both pregnant and then when we come back we'll read some people's emails because we've had a couple of belters today. Let's have a pregnant pause. Hi, I'm Nicole Goodman. And I'm Lauren Mishcon.

In 2020, self-care can seem like yet another overwhelming job for women. Every week, we test out a new kind of self-care so you don't have to. Firstly, can we just clarify how we pronounce it? Kombucha? Kom-booch? Yeah.

Kombucha. Kombucha. Self-care club. Wellness road tested. So that was the first day. You know, it was just the not slipping into the complete default mode of what I normally do, which is have a go at my husband for what he hasn't done. And, you know, all of that stuff, I kind of stopped.

OK, so it was more the absence of meanness rather than the projection of kindness at this initial point. Yes. Listen now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your pods. This week, we are testing out menstrual cups. How are you feeling? Dreading it. I know that you love to give a practice that's all about down below. I'm not interested.

I've never even really thought about it since before I met you. Never thought about your vagina until you met me. It doesn't get a lot of air time. Doesn't get a lot of air time. No, it doesn't. The Self Care Club is a Stakhanov production. No, it doesn't.

The Self-Care Club is a Stakhanov production. And we're back. It's the Luke and Pete Show. It's time for your emails. If you'd like to get involved with the show, hello at lukenpeetshow.com. We're trying our very best to pipe through as many messages as we possibly can because all of you out there have been doing us a real solid.

Shall I kick off with one? Yeah, please. All right, then. Mark Tucker. Yo, Marky boy. I email you whilst currently sat anxious and panicked, currently sat on my porcelain throne. This is a good idea.

This is a good time to email the Pete and Luke show. This email, I've seen it, and I think it wins one of the best. It wins the award for one of the – it's got to be in the conversation for the best subject line to an email we ever had. Yeah. Oh, what just swallowed my wedding ring. What kind of listening to your show people?

I mean, look, it's a mixed bag, but sometimes it's really, really successful people like international pilots. Sometimes it's men who swallow their own wedding rings look as long as they don't do it in the cockpit i don't care rewind 48 hours uh mark tucker says i was playing with my five-year-old daughter and the fun led to magic tricks the

classic game which hand am i hiding something in the something in question was my wedding band after a couple of rounds i upped the stakes by it not being in either my left or right hand but in my mouth when revealing to uh my child that it wasn't in either hand she immediately jumped up catching me under the chin letting out a groan and clasping my mouth uh my wife asked are you okay has she chipped a tooth to which i replied no i just swallowed my wedding ring my wife died, but my daughter burst out crying, asking, are you not married anymore? Ask your mum. 48 hours later, I have panned for goal once with no results.

I mean, I want to know, implements, is it a sieve? Yeah. Is it a, yeah. This got me thinking, what do I do when it eventually does turn up? What would you do? Can I go through the rest of my life wearing a symbol of my commitment that's passed through my small colon?

Will any amount of cleaning rid the memory of this event? Or will it just be a funny story? Have you or any of the listeners had similar circumstances? Wish me luck. P.S. When asking mum for advice,

she simply replied, if you wipe it, then you should have found a ring on it. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,, then you should have found a ring on it. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Lovely one. It's an amazing story. And I think Mark is very, very brave

to tell us he's done this. I actually met Mark. I think I've met Mark. Oh, did you? At a Ramble live event, I think. I see. And he absolutely seems

like exactly the kind of guy who would do this type of thing. Well, did you spot that he sent a follow-up three days afterwards? Oh, he found it? Well, in one nervous call to 111, 40 millilitres of Dulcolax. Oh, yo, house is going to stink. And a total of 108 hours later,

top to bottom, and the ring has appeared. Mark, Mark, come on. Congratulations, Mark. He's found the ring has appeared. Mark. Mark, come on. Congratulations, Mark. It's found it. Well done, mate. It's currently sat in a bath of Dettol. So get well soon, ring. Let us know whether you are comfortable having it on your hand

again. You have shat out the everlasting symbol of love for your wife. And no one can replace that. That's a magic moment that a magic it wasn't a potato ring uh what do you call it a hula hoop potato hoop a hula hoop um the nearest i can come to that kind of story and it's nowhere near as interesting as that is that my friends my dear friends duncan and helen got married in hawaii and it's just the two of them they went away and did

their own thing and um one the very first day after they were married they went for a swim in the sea in hawaii as you would do and uh i can't remember who it was but one of them wedding ring came off and disappeared and uh in the in the sand at the bottom of the sea, I suppose. But it was still in the shallow bit. And my friend Duncan went to the reception of the hotel and said, look, this is what's happened. And the guy behind the reception was like, don't worry about it. There's a guy that comes out.

And this happens quite a lot. And this guy turned out with a metal detector and actually fucking found it. Wow. He got it back. He said, it's really key. The key thing is the earlier you can tell him, the better, because obviously the sea kind of moves it around all over the place

and it gets flipped around. It's kind of a bit like Lord of the Rings, I guess. Incredible. Yeah, and then it turned out to be on the finger of a weird little creature living in a cave. Mermaid. Yeah. So that's as close as I can get.

I don't know anyone else who's ever swallowed their wedge of ink. I know pretty much every child that grew up in the 80s at some point swallowed a ball bearing, didn't they? Yeah. That was a thing. I was watching a great Key and Peele sketch where, I think it's Key, comes in basically, he is the Supreme Court Justice guy,

and he's just about to be ordained or whatever, or whatever you call getting that job. Full of details, mate. I don't think ordained is the word. I think ordained is the word. No, it's really not the word. Yeah, yeah. We know what you mean.

Yeah. But he sits down and, you know, then this guy's talking about Lady Justice and how important it is and how it's the bedrock of democracy in modern society that Lady Liberty is blind, et cetera. And all the while, the man who's about to get the greatest job in his life, he keeps an eyeball and a big jar of marbles on the guy's desk and he cannot resist putting all the marbles in his mouth.

And he just will not stop looking at the jar of marbles. And every time the other guy turns around, he puts more marbles in his mouth until he just can't resist it anymore. And he's just pouring all the marbles into his mouth. And then he chokes and then and then the man goes uh could i could we get a cleanup crew in please he's falling for the marble trick again like it was all just some big plan is that a um is that a kind of compulsion that people have then to put marbles in their mouths i don't i'm quite kind of i put i chew, I chew on pens and I put a lot of stuff in my mouth. COVID's fucked that.

Fuck my life. I can't put pen lids in my mouth. It's miserable. I want to feel it in my mouth again. I remember, yeah, definitely. I remember back in the day as well, like late 80s, early 90s, kids used to put money in, coins in their mouth. Do you remember that?

And that was disgusting like can you think of anything more on hygiene than that now but kids just don't think about that so if my niece did that i would say do not do that that is yeah i always think with dogs they're just constantly they will have a lick at everything like just everything yeah but it's like it's different i mean crucially though pete there are different species aren't they i mean come on yeah and if you look at like the reason as we've said this before on the show the reason like foxes are Just everything. Yeah, but it's different. I mean, crucially, though, Pete, there are different species, aren't they? I mean, come on. Yeah, but still. And if you look at the reason, as we've said this before on the show, the reason foxes are so prevalent is because as a species,

they're super successful. I mean, their body can digest everything. They can eat anything. They regularly do. And so that's why there's loads of them knocking about. I don't think if you took a five-year-old kid and said, there you go, help yourself to everything that's in that bin, it would be a good thing for the kid.

You know, I don't know much about parenting, but I know that. Help yourself to that stuff in the bin. Yeah. I might say that if I'm sickly hungover and my niece is coming to stay and I've got to give her a meal. Just eat that. This is probably something I've done. Help yourself to whatever. I've got to give her a meal. Just eat though. This is probably something.

Help yourself to whatever. I've got a little midget around. Yeah. Am I on the next email? Because I found another one. No, I've got one here. Let me do one real quick. It's a really small one. Sweet.

It's from Ben. He says, Hi guys. Following on from your brief chat about Marlon Brando and his heavyweight acting talents manifesting themselves in a very heavyweight,

grossly overweight form towards the middle and end of his career i'm 99 sure that in his final film the score starring ed norton and bobby de niro he's only filmed from the waist up because he was so fat he couldn't even wear trousers best regards now that is how you measure someone who's fat that is proper that's like uh the fattest man in leicestershire that you used to have a picture with on him of him uh at every bus stop and i just think wow that is that is just something that's a commitment to it because i i think i don't want to be insensitive because there's clearly a mental health element to this

isn't there because with people who get so overweight that it's like that there's definitely a mental health element i know that i'm not we're not qualified to diagnose people mental health problems i get that but the point just being i feel like with the level of calorie intake you would need to get to that level you'll probably have you probably have some kind of mental health compulsion to do it do you know i mean there's syndromes out there where people like there's a syndrome i'm fairly certain it's called prada willie syndrome where you're you're you don't have the receptors in your brain that tell you when you're full right okay so you will constantly eat because your body

is constantly telling you you're hungry i think it can be sorted by medication or by some psychological help or whatever, but that is an actual, that's an actual condition. And if you had that. Triton pebbles. Yeah. Well, but yes,

bogeys and stones. That's the only thing you can sort. Exactly. So I just, I just think if you're the fattest man in Leicestershire, you probably need some kind of help outside of the ordinary, I would say. Outside of the Leicester,

you'd say. I mean, this was back in the day. They didn't put pictures. It wasn't like a guy in the 90s who they decided to put pictures all over Leicester at the bus stop. This was like a celebrated fat man. Yeah, a celebrated fat man. But the fattest person in the 60s has probably been about 12 stone.

There was no fat people in the 60s. Well, not after rationing. No, exactly. For so many years. Anyway, Lee Roberts, to finish off, exactly. For so many years. Anyway, Lee Roberts, to finish off, has come in with a little email. I'm enjoying this one immensely.

And again, it's about cogitating. Hello, Luke and Pete. I listened to your podcast earlier today and heard that Luke is not a fan of the olive and it reminded me of a time when I also wasn't a fan of the salty little pebbles. Went cycling across Europe with some friends nearly exactly 10 years ago to the day. i once said the same about not liking olives and one of the cyclists told me about trying something 21 times essentially he said if you eat something for 21

sittings you will like it and most people give up on food they don't like quickly and don't really try them again but you should really do the opposite and hearing this i thought i'd give it a try i completely subscribe to this view liam perhaps not 21 times i mean you're cracking on for 10 and i think it's a really good point i think it's i think it's probably a lot of truth in it so what he's saying is you're almost like you're repelled or repulsed by it very quickly so you don't have the motivation to get back in there and give it another bash because why would you because there's loads of things that you can enjoy but he's saying if you stick at it you will find that you'll like what everything or just like lots of different things well i think it's like a it's like a video game development tree if you want to uh you start eating olives and then you

might like other salty things like i don't know anchovies and stuff like that you might start appreciating um slightly tartar or slightly more umami or yeah yeah yeah you know kind of kind of taste that you didn't really like before. I mean, I'm sure he's absolutely correct, but there's one thing I would counter with is that I don't really have the motivation to pop 21 different sessions of olives to get to a point where I would like olives. I mean, it doesn't impinge on my life enough.

A lot of variation though with what you can stuff an olive with though. You can literally put anything in there that you'll take away some of the taste and i mean the brown olives they're boring green olives best well the thing is pete what you got to understand is like what you're saying there is you're starting to get into the territory of the things that make olives good are the things that make them taste less like olives it's like when people say oh camping's really good when it isn't camping is shit and the people who say things that are good about camping they'll start saying oh yeah these days right you go to a campsite and they've got shower block and they've got you can put up a little put up bed and you can do it they said well that's all the things i've

got at home you're fucking yeah so why am i gonna go and do that it's pointless i'm happy to be outside i'm an outdoorsy kind of person but i'd like to be in a bed at night um because i'm approaching 40 and it's just much more agreeable you know so the things that they talk about being good about but camping is just the things that they talk about being good about but camping, they're just the things that make it less like camping. Well, Liam did 21 sessions of olives. Good on him. Yeah, he said it actually did work.

Sometimes you would only eat one or two and he just sort of got through it. I now like them a lot and on our second sighting trip two years later, I did the same with roll mops, which is, of course, a pickled fish roll. Yeah. Since then, I've always been open to try things that I thought I didn't like. I also have a soon-to-be one-year-old daughter, and when learning about weaning, it's taught that it takes a few times for babies to like something,

and you should keep offering around 10 times before giving up. So we're all just a little bit like babies, aren't we? Yeah. What's your cutoff? That's what I would say. I'm just saying you should be eating. Who found out it was 21 times, though, Pete, is what I'm saying. It's all solid, Crow.

I got 21. Honest to solid, Crow. I got 21. Honest to God. Nice. All right, let's get out of here. On that olive-shaped bombshell, we will be back on Thursday for more of this absolute nonsense. Thank you very much for everyone who's got in touch. Hello at LukeandPeteShow.com is the email address, as always.

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