The Luke and Pete Show - Non-fartible token (NFTs special)

Episode Date: January 17, 2022

This week, we start our NFTs special in the most logical place: Pete’s dad’s local pub. Once that is covered, we get back on track (slightly) by hearing about a woman who is NFTing her own farts. We also hear from some people that actually know about NFTs and there's an email about Ninjas.Got a story you think we might like to hear? Email [e-mail] or you can get in touch on Twitter or Instagram: @lukeandpeteshow. Feel free to give us a follow while you're there! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

It's Monday the 17th of January Welcome to the Luke and Pete show I'm a bit DJ then, sorry Luke, you alright? No, don't apologize Oh, steady Almost sounded professional, didn't it? The radio industry's loss is very much the podcast industry's gain Indeed

Luke, I want to jump straight in with two things. There is an Iranian beauty queen that's not allowed a US visa because of Syrian link. Her name's Leen Clive, and I think it might be the best name I've ever heard. Leen Clive. L-E-E-N Clive. She's a resident of the UK.

It's like that football manager last week we talked about on the Ramble, Russ Penn. Yes, exactly, yeah. I think it's a really interesting name. Lean Clive.

I'd love to be known as Lean Clive. Because there'll be another guy in the pub called Fat Clive. Yeah, and he'd be Lean Clive. Yeah, like Jim's mate in the pub who he knew, a guy called Hated Martin.

Hated Martin. That sounds like an affectation, but I believe, Jim, he's not a liar. My friend is, to say the least, a very enthusiastic local to his local pub. So I respect it because it's like, you know some people who just love boozing? There's absolutely no judgment at all. They like to have a bit of drink, good for them. There's a difference between boozing and drinking's absolutely no judgment at all. It's absolutely, you know, they like to have a good drink. Good for them. There's a difference between

boozing and drinking, I would say. Boozing is just, it's a lifestyle. It's the pub. It's the scampi fries. It's the beer. But drinking is like, oh, daddy's been drinking. But tell me if I'm on show you around here, right? Tell me if I

can say this. Excuse me. Right? It's like a bit of COVID, Right. Tell me if I can say this. Excuse me. Right. It's like a bit of... It's COVID, mate. It's fluff down there. It's fucking hanging around the cold. But mine never... I'm going to ask Matt. It never got kind of like

syrupy down there. Luck of the draw. You can't cheat the age and the BMI factor. I'm absolutely fine, by the way. I know that people will think, why is he in the studio when he's coughing?

I've not got COVID. He's coughing on me. Oh, it feels well down there. It's fine. He's proven it. Talk to me about this, right? So you know that some people have addictive problems with certain things, whether that be gambling

or drinking or whatever. It's one of those things. Wearing rad clothes like me. Yeah, you are very much addicted to many things. I get that that's a problem. I get that society is a responsibility. I'm personally of the opinion you want to treat it like an illness and look after that person rather than criminalise them.

All that good stuff, right? But I sometimes feel like there are plenty of people out there who like to have a beer or who like to have a bet or who like to do whatever and it's not a problem. And I wonder whether the society we're in now makes it uncomfortable. Palatable, yeah. It makes them uncomfortable. Because you know what?

Someone might say, you know what? I've got a busy job three times a week I walk past my local pub where all my friends are and I like to have a pint before dinner and I go home and I have my dinner

and I have a perfectly lovely time people don't really you don't really hear about people like that anymore people don't go to the pub but they must still exist yeah

people just don't go to the pub every day do they but they drink at home you know and it's that kind of like because it's expensive I guess no but like going to the pub is like I would argue is? But they drink at home, you know, and it's that kind of like, Because it's expensive, I guess. No, but like, going to the pub is like,

I would argue, is more social than drinking at home. And people just will see off a bottle of wine at night and think nothing of it. But going to the pub

every night, it's a problem. You reckon? Yeah, like you say, like going to the pub every night, people would sort of go, oh, I guess the pub

every night. That's what I'm saying, but people would find it okay to have a glass of wine with dinner or whatever, two glasses of wine. I feel like I'm not a very big drinker and I

feel like I've been conditioned, even me, who's perfectly relaxed about drinking, I don't have a problem with it, I do do it and I know plenty of people do obviously and I'm

fairly normal on that front. Well, fairly not normal because that's the wrong thing to say, pretty mainstream on that front. I don't feel like, I

feel like I've been conditioned to be thinking that people who like to have a drink, it's like, it's wrong. But it ain't wrong. Why is it's wrong. But it ain't wrong. Why is it wrong?

It ain't wrong. I'm a confirmed binge drinker. I don't generally drink if I don't want to get drunk. You don't say that. What do you mean? You're undermining my point. See, then I have a problem. Don't say, oh yeah, well you sent me a whole slab of Tisky

for Christmas like you do every year and I drank all of it. You did, yeah. Because they are politically a bit off. No, that's not why I sent it. I sent it because you told me it's your favourite lager. I know it is my favourite lager so I,

because I've got reputation the neighbourhood people, the neighbours give me cans. I got some of that for Christmas from them as well. I've got reputation as a tisky man and I don't,

never need to buy it because people buy them for me Christmas. What's your neighbour like? He drinks tisky all the time and pulls lamb shanks out of his garden. It's not a good ref, is it? What must they think? It's not a good ref.

And the thing is, I think every Tisky you drink in full view... Brings me closest to the Lord. Well, yeah. It's a sweet relief. It's a thumb in the eye of your neighbourly guy who gives you your rum for free. You're not drinking that. That is true. He's moved on to vodka.

Lee vodka. It's very good. I'm not a big rum guy. I don't want to be disrespectful to him, but it doesn't sound good. What do you mean? Leon C. Vodka distilled in Essex. It's not distilled in Essex. It'd be distilled somewhere else, but he imports it and puts a label on it.

Okay. It looks very nice. That's fine, it's your polish. I don't think you should be drinking it. Moonshine. Yeah.

What was I saying? I was making a random point about the fact that there are plenty of people out there who like to have a drink and they're fine. My dad goes to the pub

every day. I've seen photos of your dad's pub. It looks quite flat-roofed. It's the pub in Glasgow that a helicopter came down from. It looks exactly like that. Do you remember the pictures from that? It's as far as your dad's pub. It looks quite flat-roofed. It's the pub in Glasgow that helicopter came down from. It looks exactly like that.

Do you remember the pictures from that? It's that. Yeah, I think someone died. You can't say things like that. What do you mean? You remember the pub, don't you? You remember sort of going, that is a shit pub. And my dad's pub is a shit pub.

There was a servant MP in there. He rescued some people. Yeah, yeah. Fair dues. But your dad likes to go to a flat-roof pub. Yeah. And what does he drink? Flat-roof drinks.

He just drinks his normal his normal his normal stuff but um uh he's hilarious because uh

the bloke I'm trying to talk euphemistically but I don't think I can it doesn't really fucking matter um there is

an empire a small Hartlepool based empire northeast based empire that runs the um small corner shops

and pub rackets or they certainly did in the 80s right you can do empire that runs the small corner shops and pub rackets. Or they certainly did in the 80s. You can do libel by implication, you know that. You are. You can do libel by implication. I'm not implying, nothing I've said is untrue. Okay, right. And nothing I'm going to say is untrue. But the this empire, you know, they used to own

a lot of shops and stuff and a lot of pubs in the area and people who live in Hartlepool will know exactly the name of the family because it's printed because it's

the family's pub and they've got loads of them all around Hartlepool not as many as they used to and still a family owned business is it? still a family owned business

and you know they're still they're still kind of planning their trade in between the fucking 7-Elevens and the shops you know the spas

and the shops that have come in to take over and stuff. They're still maintaining. But it's an empire that's crumbled somewhat simply because Hartlepool, nobody's got any fucking money and nobody's spending it. 10 years old is time, isn't it?

And so the son of this empire floats around different pubs, checking that everything's okay, floats around different pubs you know checking that everything's okay floats around different shops I'm not a film with Christian Bale

in it what Empire of the Sun what the son of the empire son of the empire sounds a lot more grandiose

than the people who own two pubs in Hartlepool the offspring of the empire looks like he's down at the bar the offspring

just sort of goes round and he's probably about 50 or whatever, right? Okay. So he turns up, he rocks up, and he'll stare for a pint every now and again. The pub your dad's in, normally? Yeah. Okay, yeah.

And he gets such short shrift from the old farts in that pub, it is fucking hilarious. Whatever he says, they will literally say to his face, oh, fuck off. Right. They will literally say,

I'm going to fuck off. Why? Because, I'll tell you why. Because he's, they had a bit of money. They probably still got a fair bit of money. He's had a life where he's

gone on safari in South Africa and met celebrities. Celebrities, I don't really remember, but celebrities, nonetheless. Like Lawrence. Like Lawrence.

And DJ Tile from Huddersfield. The sort of celebrity that would be on New Faces or something. Like, you know, your Jim Davidson level kind of. Bob Carols. Bob Carols is a spit the dog. So that sort of thing. And this chap, bless him, will try and impress these old farts by name dropping. Because it's all he's got in, in my opinion,

to, to impress them. And they take that as an affront and they sort of go, take your fucking private jet that you took once to safari, you know, take it and shove it up your ass. Like, I don't want to talk to you about that.

And they give him this really short shrift. And my dad gets involved. My dad, he's not like part of a bullying group, but this guy will sort of go, I met this bloke and he did that. And my dad will involved my dad he's not like part of a bullying group but this guy he'll sort of go I met this bloke I did that

and my dad will go I'll just fuck off why does he keep going to the pub then I think he likes I think he thinks it's banter I think he likes

I mean he has to help run the pub he has to help run the pub but I like it because he is basically everyone get all the

blokes in the pub give him short shrift because he is basically, everyone get all the blokes in the pub, give him a short shrift, because he is like the me's of this world who go back home to the hometown and sort of tell them all about what they've been up to in that there London. Is that what you do? Well, that's what we all do to a certain extent.

And then this happened and then we met this person and there's something inside the dad that sort of goes, oh, go fuck yourself. You think you're so fucking high and mighty. And he's basically the living embodiment of every son, every person who's sort of moved away. And he's kind of like, and every old bloke in the pub fucking hates him. Can we get him on?

Because he's indicative of someone in their lives that they think they've got too high and mighty about. So I watch my dad, the dynamic between this bloke and my dad, and it's exactly the same dynamic that he has with me. It's fantastic. So your dad basically tells you to fuck off all the time? Well, I'll talk about Black Lives Matter

or Meteor or something, and my dad will have a comment about it from his point of view, bearing in mind he's been reading the Daily Mail for fucking years and anti-walker gender and all that shit,, he's been reading the Daily Mail for fucking years and, you know, anti-walker gender and all that shit that he's been served up by the fucking television he watches

and the book and the papers that he reads. And, yeah. And so we have this kind of like dynamic where it's a little bit strained here and there. And I know which buttons not to push and stuff.

Yeah. But this guy, he's just like, all the dads in the place just hate this fucking son. He's an outlet. Honestly, he's a punching bag. He's a replacement son. He's an outlet. Honestly, he's a punching bag. He's a replacement son outlet for when you're down here.

He's a punching bag. He's an avatar for all the sons who moved away and think they're fucking Billy Bollocks because they moved to York. They should start charging them. They should. How do you think the NFT special's going so far? What do you mean? Oh, this NFT special?

Well, I thought the NFTs would be in the second half. Yeah, they will be. They will be. First off, off very much hark the pool pubs and the bullying of young men yeah

I don't have any equivalent of that I'm sad to say none of my family have really been a local kind of pub type of well my uncle was but I never used to go

go drinking with him but what was your dad's point of choice it's probably it's one of those ones that's got a proper it's not on it's got a proper like a pulley pulley tap tap so it's probably it's one of those ones that's got a proper it's not on

it's got a proper like a pulley pulley tap tap so it's an ale an ale and it's got like an old it looks like an old ship they all look like

old ships emblems don't they yeah sort of on the side it'll be one that's called old navy or something like that what do you think no seriously think about it

what name would you give it it'll be called something like old peculiar or or something, right? Yeah. Or Bishop's Finger. Yeah, Stinky Finger or something, yeah. Naughty, naughty lad. I like Bishop's Finger.

The little naughty lad. Bishop's Finger's great because... The right rotter. In terms of the name, because it's like, what would a 60-year-old man who almost certainly voted for Brexit think is the closest to a politically incorrect joke he'd get away with and he's really happy

that he's got away with it. Do you know what I mean? Because it implies something rude or something un-PC. I didn't even fucking yeah the bishop's finger.

Oh is it his penis? Oh what's he doing with his finger? He's a bishop he shouldn't really be doing this. Do you know what I mean? It's that kind of vibe. Naughty.

It's Jeremy Clarkson's idea of a funny joke. Yes, exactly. Yeah. Oh, dear. I was going to ask you a question speaking of when we mentioned NFTs. So I'm going to briefly bring something in

which is in some way related to boozing. Now, there was a... I don't really understand this that much, so bear with me. I must be missing here. So 90 Day Fiancé is a TV show that the wife I have access to absolutely loves, right? Yes. don't really understand this that much so bear with me and i must be so i'm missing here so 90 day fiance is a tv show that the wife i've access to absolutely loves right yes it's a great fucking show i don't think anyone could i'm not snobby about tv i know you're not either i think there's

a tendency for people to say one of two things or do one of two things first of all say i don't watch much tv which is complete fucking bullshit. Or two, try and think of TV to be, I don't know, The Sopranos and anything else that isn't The Sopranos isn't legitimate as TV, right? I would disagree. I think that, you know, Gordon Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmare is the first season, one of the best TV shows

of all time. You know, the MasterChef professional skills test at the start of each episode, amazing TV, right? 90 Day Fiancé, although for my personal taste it's a bit too manipulative and a little bit on dodgy territory.

When it's good, it's a good show. It's proper human interest, speaks to modern life, all the rest of it. There was someone on 90 Day Fiancé called Stephanie Matto

who used to, weirdly, and I don't know how this can be true, but it's being reported as true everywhere and people aren't questioning this. There must be something happening that I don't know about, right? She used to make £38,000

a week on average, selling her farts in a jar. That was not what you meant. That's what people think. Yeah, I saw this story and she made a lot of money. I mean that can't be everything. What are you getting out of that

lads? Do you just buy one? That's a one hit deal. They're $1000 a jar. Right. And she makes $37,000 a year. £38,000 a week. She's farting into a jar 38 times.

No, because it's pounds to dollars. So it's about 45 to 50 farts a week, probably. Yeah, okay. That's it, it's doable. It'd be doable for me, certainly. The logistics of the jars is the tough bit. What, posting them out and stuff? No, actually having a jar to hand.

Oh, you'd have to have them all around the house, wouldn't you? And then you're just the guy with the fart them all around the house, wouldn't you? And then you're just the guy with the fart jars all over the house, aren't you? And then you've given it to Hermes

and God knows what they're doing in the, or DHL. DPD. DPD. God knows what they're doing.

Yeah, silent but deadly. SPD. But my point, that's not the end of the story, right? So that's weird

as it is, right? To me, that's a kind of weird, sexy, sexy story um sexy sexy sexy though what a sexy story is it i just don't know

how many you buy do you have you got to buy loads you do you want to do you have a collection and they're like fun look it's better than funko pops it's more it sounds

like she could be calling them funko pops but that brand's already taken but so what um what that meant was she um i don't know if the two things are related but um so she she had to go to hospital because she said in her own words she thought she was But so what that meant was she, I don't know if the two things are related,

but so she had to go to hospital because she said in her own words she thought she was having a stroke. And she recalled how she would drink three protein shakes and a huge bowl of black bean soup to give her the, I guess to give her the pumps, I guess. Give her the pump pumps. To give her the pump pumps. And she had a problem with her heart, right? So she had to stop doing it.

And what she's now doing is she's basically, she's now selling them as digital artworks on the blockchain. Right. So I guess it's... Fartworks.

Fartworks. She's missed the trick there, Metro. Yeah. Yeah. But one of the many, many things you've done wrong with this story. Non-fartable talking. Well, it is a fartable thing.

I guess each of the jars would look different, but they're now digital jars on the blockchain. Right. Now, that brings us nicely into our NFT chat. What the hell is an NFT? What does that mean? Well, she's selling it just like anybody else sells an NFT. But what's the link with the fart?

You can't smell an NFT. I mean, there are a lot of problems with owning NFTs and not being able to smell them. It's probably down the end of a very, very long list, to be honest. But yeah, it's just a way of expressing your fandom, I suppose. And that is kind of how NFTs operate. It's the same people who queue outside Supreme waiting for a particular drop. The t-shirts aren't

inherently more valuable. They're just rarer, aren't they? It's a t-shirt with Supreme written on it. They found a way of making something that's copyable and transferable, non-transferable and valuable. Can I just say that I didn't know what Supreme was about

three months ago. That fucking logo is everywhere though, isn't it? Yeah, and I knew that it was a thing. I recognised the logo, but I didn't know that it was such a big deal. Yeah. It's just sneaker heads just getting into digital art, isn't it, really?

It's the people who like buying certain... And video game people as well. It's people who like certain costumes in video games that they're running around in. People who spend ages grinding away to get the most valuable bit of shit. I was actually going to ask you about that. You know I play PUBG quite a lot. Yeah, it's your winner winner ticket dinner.

No, but you can, I don't do this, but you can pay real money to get things in the game. Yeah. It's like that, right? And most of them aren't, they don't advance your skills at all. They just make you look different it just basically says to the other players

that guy spent 10 grand on a lot of bollocks but I see that and I think you're an idiot you do but many don't oh my god

that guy's got I was in the game and I saw a guy with a fucking dildo's tater's head you would not believe I saw it was just tater's head

and he ran around and he didn't kill me because he's an idiot. He couldn't see where he was going. He couldn't see where he was going. I think if I was selling farts in a jar, I would probably be

the Lidl. The Mac-O. Right, okay, yeah, yeah. The Cash & Carry. Loads of them, but really cheap. Yeah, I'd be... It's not a premium product for me.

I'm not the Marks & Spencer of fart in a jar. I'd have admin issues. I'd need to... Mine wouldn't be Iceland. Mine would be all frozen. I'd have supply chain issues. There'd be poo in there. I'd follow through. It'd't be Iceland. Mine would be all frozen. I'd have supply chain issues. There'd be poo in there.

I'd follow through. It'd be a mess. If there was a big line-up and a big customer base for your pumps, weirdly enough, the fact that you've gone vegetarian recently would be a big change in the odour. Big boon. A big... It'd be a big change of product. Like when Coke

changed their recipe. It'd be like the McRib. Yeah. It'd just be sort of doing that for a month and then you never see it again. Yeah. Yeah. There's rock and roll, there's like heavy metal musicians,

aren't there? Like those kind of death metal type musicians who would like make themselves puke on stage and stuff. I know that one of them, who was it? I forget who it was now, but they used to have a dead crow in their jar. It was the drummer from Slipknot.

That's right. And he used to open it up and that would make him puke. Oh, that's going to make you ill, isn't it? Yeah, but I just think to a dead crow in the jar. It was the drummer from Slipknot. That's right, and he used to open it up and that would make him puke. Oh, that's going to make you ill, isn't it? Yeah, but I just think to yourself, do you not stop to think at any point? I didn't think my life would turn out like this. It's a very, why would you need a full crow? Surely like a little vial of crow, decomposing crow meat.

I mean, it has to be a crow. Just get a roast chicken. Like, you would get the exact same effect. What, with the roast chicken? Yeah. It's rotten. Yeah. Your Christmas Day turkey. Your Christmas Day turkey.

My Christmas Day turkey. Yeah, do a job. The lamb shank that Buckley found in the garden. Yeah, exactly. Let's have a break. When we come back, we're going to get some people

who actually know what they're talking about to listen about NFTs, which will be exciting. Prop. And I'll tell you now, one of them is called Henry. Hello at lukeandpitcher.com

for emails. And we'll read out some that have already been sent in right after this. Ooh, baby, I love your way. Every day.

Every day. It is time for some Luke and Pete Shaw fun. Yeah. It's been that for the last 17 minutes. I know, right? NFTs, right?

NFTs. We're there. We're going to solve it all. We're going to solve it. I'm a crypto Don, as you know. I'm a crypto bro. But NFT,

I'm not fully versed in. So, I've got two explanations here. One's short and one's long. I'll read the short one, you read the long one. Okay. Henry Payne. Hello to you, Henry. Sorry for mocking your name before the break. I wasn't really mocking it, just saying that you're called Henry. And in my opinion, someone into NFTs would be called Henry.

Is that fair? Yeah. I was reading the long email. It's very long. Confusing. It's confusing for me. You can paraphrase it. Henry, have I been mean to Henry? No, I was reading the long email. It's very long. It's confusing. It's confusing for me. You can paraphrase it. Henry, have I been mean to Henry? No, I don't think you have. That's fine. I've got a hoover called Henry.

Some of my best friends are Henrys. Happy New Year, says Henry. Sounds like a nice guy. Starts it off well. Here is an explanation of how NFT works quicker than you could order a pint. You haven't been to the pubs, I'll be the one. Listen, not a Pete's Dad's pub.

No. Barely anybody in there. Take the Mona Lisa sitting in the Louvre. Someone owns it. No idea who. Some billionaire somewhere who then loans it to the Louvre, probably. Their proof is most likely a contract or certificate of authenticity. You can go and look at it.

You can take a picture of it. You can buy copies of all sorts of dross merchandise, but it doesn't mean you own the original. That's basically how NFTs work, but digitally. Someone own the original that's basically how nfts work but digitally someone owns the original as much as people screenshot it and the proof is a sorry someone owns the original as much as people screenshot it and the proof is a code on the blockchain which everyone can see i hope this helps let us know if not cheers henry beautifully done henry so what i guess that means is that um yeah I get it

what that means is it's just explain it all it's actually quite a good way of instantly being able what I was going to say was

I guess that means it's an also an instant way of stopping like fraud and fraudulent kind of paintings and all that kind of

stuff fake stuff yeah and I think that look the reasons why people find it unpalatable at the moment is maybe there's an environmental cost, obviously, as anything on the crypto chains are, you know, it's computationally expensive

and that cost has to be ratified by energy being used. And people are quite upset by NFTs because a lot of the stuff that is getting exchanged you know your John Terry fucking Christmas

Christmas NFT was fucking hilarious because the art is so shit it's generic it's been made by someone

on you know on Fiverr for you know 20 quid here 20 quid there they've got a base picture of a fucking ape

and they've put... But do you think that he gets it? Say again. Do you think that he, John Terry, gets it? No. I don't think any footballer... I don't think any footballer

really understands it more than their agents sort of going, you want to get involved with this because you will make fucking shit loads. It is the gold rush. It is the gold rush. That's interesting.

You think it's the gold rush? They're just selling shovels, aren't they? It's just, you know... Yeah. It is the gold rush. That's interesting. You think it's the gold rush? They're just selling shovels, aren't they? It's just, you know. Yeah. It's the gold rush. But I like John Terry's social media because he's just so unapologetic. He'll do that.

Yeah. He'll go clay pigeon shooting. That's mental. He'll dress up like a fireman. I'm going to do clay pigeon shooting. He'll do really long... I like John Terry's Twitter and Insta. He will do really long monologues to camera

just saying, Happy Christmas. Yeah. Look at my life. He will do really long monologues to camera just saying, happy Christmas. Look at my life. It's brilliant. It's clearly not, it's not PR'd for me. No. It is just him.

He is, he's basic, but with a little bit of menace behind it. Oh, big time. Yeah, big time. Both in physicality and family background. Carry on. Yeah, it's interesting.

I find this all interesting. I think I've not seen anything currently that's been sort of churched around, sold and bought that I sort of go, wow, I want a bit of that. A lot of people will sort of talk about their NFT collection and what they're doing in that space. And I've recently listened to quite a lot of Twitter spaces of creators and people who are selling stuff.

And they talk about this art like it's revolutionary. And the way things have been bought and sold is revolutionary. And decentralized internet is important. It will become more important. But I'm yet to see any art that I haven't gone, Jesus Christ, that is a piece of shit and people are getting very excited about

the collection and stuff but none of them actually talk about the people who actually fucking made the pictures you know what I mean there's no love for the artist it's just that

I've got this there is a new drop coming my question is also this right I understand the idea that you will own the original copy or the original piece of artwork,

as Henry's helpfully explained to us, which we thank him for. But I still don't know how that makes you money because you need to be able to sell it. Someone needs to want to buy it from you. Yeah. So I buy an NFT for 100 quid. Yeah.

Well, as far as I know, the thing that kind of doesn't explain what Henry's saying and what he hasn't really covered is that I get all that. Why does it make it inherently... There's only one fucking Mona Lisa. Yeah yeah there's a there's billions of these nfts well no i mean but if someone painted a picture of the mona lisa with a pair of cool shades on the top you know i mean that's forget forget about the forget about the kind of ersatz kind of offshoot fucking shit over the top yeah what i mean is'm asking you, I guess a basic supply and demand question,

which is, if it's the gold rush and everyone's doing it, then what makes for each individual one special? Well, I would posit that it isn't.

The gold rush is a gold rush literally because there was loads of gold everywhere. Yeah. And people were like, just get me as much gold

as I can. It's not an artistic thing. But this is a pyramid scheme. It's broadest. It's a pyramid scheme. But like, just get me as much gold as I can. It's not an artistic thing. But this is a pyramid scheme. It's broadest. It's a pyramid scheme. But like, so yeah, they do need more people to get involved. And this year there'll be more people than ever before getting involved. I haven't got a handle on it where I sort of go,

where I haven't seen anything that isn't just a way to express your fandom, so to speak. The NHL, you know, NFL nhl all like all the big big uh entertainment uh companies and stuff they're releasing nfts video game companies square enix came out the first um speech they made this year uh saying that i hope that uh people uh who love our games are going to get you know we're going to release more nft stuff i hope that the crypto space becomes more important to video games and stuff and the people who just want to play video games for fun

are a different character a different not as valuable customer for us an astonishing thing for a video game manufacturer to say it is the first thing you see

in 2022 it's all looking a bit grim is it indicative of a crumbling society I would posit yes and feels like proper late stage capitalism

yeah and you are but then there is you know there is an argument to sort of say that

the other part of the web 3.0 stuff the metaverse stuff something that they fucking nailed about 20 years ago with Second Life let's make that very clear

I think that is liberating and it will be interesting to see how those spaces are... Can we get into the metaverse and just do this podcast in the metaverse as well? It depends on how long we spend making our little avatars. Oh, it'll take not very long.

You'll probably take ages. Because I look like everyone. You look like Nick Cage. Let's not do the second explanation. Again, Jake Turbot got in, and he explained... He explained it a little bit longer, but it's a similar sort second explanation. Again, Jake Turbot got in and he explained, he explained it a little bit longer, but it's a similar sort of thing.

He says, he finishes saying, I think they'll be around for a while and they're not all shit, so they're worth understanding. I think that is the, I agree with that message. I think people should understand what they are, what they represent, and we shouldn't just sort of go,

throw them out and sort of go, this is fucking nonsense. The way they're being used, and a lot of the more famous examples of them are shit and stupid, but there's an argument to say, I don't know. What do I like that Interpol fucking album that they did with David Lynch and David Lynch has a real stick in his ass about people watching his stuff,

not on cinema screens and on like laptops or whatever. So people to spite him will like, uh, uh, format a version of his films and TV shows to go on like a game boy and stuff to really piss him off, which is funny. Uh, and, and I,

I sort of go, well, look, that's something that's unique. Um, and, and, and,

and, and, and it is about being a collector. It is about being, it is about fandom and stuff like that. So I understand why people will get involved with that side of things, but that's because I like that. I don't like pictures of apes with fucking worms coming out of their face.

I like Interpol. I like David Lynch. Right. Because I'm a fucking old hipster. Let's end by doing an email about ninjas. Yes, please. Tom from Vancouver. Come on down.

The time is now. Pete Danson, you're up. Okay. Let me find it. I've got to find it first. Oh, fuck you now. You just pick one out of your bum. I'll spring it on you.

Hide the little bits. Like a ninja your exploration of the ninja gym this other week made me remember something I was told about them many years ago, I lived in Japan in my early 20s and amongst many of the ignorant preconceptions we young westerners were disabused of, no Japanese people don't eat sushi

exclusively and no it's not necessarily a high tech wonderland, facts and ATMs that close when the bank does was this one about the nature of the traditional ninja costume. We picture ninjas dressed head-to-toe in black, but when you stop to think about it, it's not the most practical outfit. Firstly, black doesn't even work that well as a camouflage,

as the night sky is never really pitch black. A very dark navy blue would probably blend in much better, while black would stand out. Secondly, ninjas were assassins whose aim was to go unnoticed so it's far more likely that they'd be dressed for their environment most likely as peasants or farmers the origins of the all-black outfit are unclear but there are theories uh that it comes from or was at least popularized by its use in japanese theater kurako are stage hands who would often be called upon to appear on stage to perform the role of an animal or another character

that would be represented by a prop they were holding. They'd be dressed in black to indicate to the audience that they were invisible. It's a little bit like the Muppets and stuff. They do this stuff like that, don't they? And then in the 17th century, some clever theatre director realised they could use this invisibility as a plot device by having a ninja character appear in plain sight on stage

throughout a performance as seemingly nothing more than a cut of court and thus remaining unnoticed by the audience until it was time for the dramatic reveal. Audiences loved it

and soon became a popular device. Just somebody hanging out on stage and they go I forgot he's not going to do anything he just did something.

I love that explanation. Yeah. It's really cool. And I don't know what extent to which this contributed to the modern image of a ninja but I love that explanation. Yeah. It's really cool. And I don't know what extent to which this contributed to the modern image of a ninja, but I love the fact

that even 400 years ago, meta was already a thing. Yeah. I've been a listener since day one and keep the good work, et cetera, et cetera. All the best, Tom, in Vancouver, Canada.

I'd love to go to Vancouver. I'd love to go to bloody Japan again, mate. Oh, yeah. When's the last time you went? Two years ago. You still got your ninja outfit? I think I've still got your ninja outfit

I think I've still got a ninja star somewhere do you agree with Tom's assessment about what Japan's actually like in real life yeah massively they're so backwards

when it comes to technology and stuff wait really yeah we think it's all futuristic it's not it's all like if you go to

a bank instead of a signature you've got a Hancock stamp like a little kind of inky stamp you stamp and they try to

get rid of them you can't get you can't get you can't get insurance you can't get a mobile phone you can't they're so kind of like insular

and it has to be done a certain way and there's a lot of admin and nothing's digital you know comparatively I imagine smartphone usage is way down

people just have these like flip phones and they certainly did like two years ago it's not it's just it's a weird kind of futuristic

and not futuristic thing. Fax machines are huge as he says. Huh. Weird. On that note, let's get out of here.

Let's get out of here. Great way to finish. Thank you very much to everyone for listening. We're back on Thursday. We are. With more of this stuff. Ninjas,

fellas, Thursday, the original NFT. Yeah. Ninja fellas Thursday, which is what it the original NFT. Yeah, Ninja Fellas Thursday, which is what it actually stands for. Yeah, I'm going to speak to you then. Have a great rest of the week. Yeah, keep it locked on Luke and Pete.

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