The Luke and Pete Show - Pete's Hole Filler

Episode Date: January 27, 2025

Pete’s buzzing about his latest gadget obsession, which Luke says is just filling “a hole in his soul.” Meanwhile, Luke takes a nostalgic dive into 'Big Break', the 90s snooker-based TV gem featuring awkward catchphrases, deadpan co-hosts, and a young Ronnie O’Sullivan’s debut. Then, the chat veers into a debate on archiving lost media and Pete’s dad’s illegal but oddly impressive DVD stash.Plus, Luke also recommends a gripping BBC documentary on the 7/7 bombings, sparking a conversation on resilience, forgotten history, and the remarkable stories of triumph that emerge in the face of tragedy.Email: [e-mail] or you can get in touch on X, Threads or Instagram if character-restricted messaging takes your fancy.***Please take the time to rate and review us on Apple, Spotify or wherever you get your pods. It means a great deal to the show and will make it easier for other potential listeners to find us. Thanks!*** Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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then put headphones over the top of it. This is The Looker Pete Show, I'm Pete Donaldson... And I'm joined by Luke... Oh God. What are you doing? What am I doing? Got a new little box, didn't I? You're pleasing yourself?

Yes, very pleasing myself. I can sound like... A big robot. Or I can sound like I've got a megaphone. Oi, you, over there! Stay away from that little boy. That's me and my vigilante group that go out watching. We're not like the sort of people to honey trap any wrong-uns. We do it, we just shout at any man who's in the street.

Would it be unkind of me to suggest that these gadgets that you continually keep buying are... Throwing in the supply chain. I just feel like they're filling in a hole in your soul. Yeah. Speaking of which... Speaking of which, I watched an episode of Big Break on YouTube yesterday. Right, okay. Now, that's Jim Davidson. That's... Who is the fat John Virgo? He's very poor actually.

He's very poor, he is. I think he was caustic at that point. Like, John Virgo sort of emerged as the sort of breakout star, didn't he? Yeah. And everyone saw a lot of those. I don't know if he's coasting, I feel like it should be the opposite. I feel like it should be his, ironically enough, his big break. Right. Because it's a Saturday tea time, shiny floor show based around snooker, which is massively

popular at that point. The episode I watched was from 1994. The reason I watched it, let me rewind. Right. Quite a few people listen to this, not from the UK. So they're not gonna know what I'm talking about. Big Break was a snooker-based family entertainment show on a Saturday night in the 90s.

And it combined general knowledge and snooker and every contestant on it got paired up with a professional snooker player who did the snooker bit and they did the general knowledge bit and you got to win prizes and stuff. The reason I watched it is because it was the first TV appearance I think of Ronnie O'Sullivan. Oh what he was what he made his debut oh he's a little boy wasn't he? No no he was about I think it was the I think it was the, I think it was the, the, a few months before he made his debut at the World Snooker Championships.

Right, okay. So, um, he, and he, he wins easily and he's amazing. They keep talking to it about him as a future world champion and stuff, but he's honestly amazing. But the reason I watched it is because I just wanted to see what Osanofum would be like. And it was quite interesting to see him as that kind of character, completely naive, not done TV before, just a bit rabid in the headlights but i came away thinking that jim davison was very poor very very poor maybe it was just that episode i didn't realize

he had this thing that he kept on doing like a catchphrase type thing where he would keep referring to the fact that the show was pre-recorded. Right, okay. Right, well as in like if someone said some blue language, he would sort of say, don't worry, it's pre-recorded. It's pre-recorded because of the things I might say. It was worse than that. He would like break the fourth wall and keep going, Jim, Jim, you've fallen asleep on the sofa again, wake up. Oh, what are you've fallen asleep on the sofa again, wake up. Because he'd be saying that I'd be watching this because I recorded it ages ago.

Oh, that's kind of confusing, isn't it? And back then, Jim's, our idea of what Jim Davidson represented was he'd be in a Rolls Royce, in an 80s Rolls Royce with a glamour lady. Like that was kind of his vibe, wasn't it? Cheeky little Cockney Chappie who goes to the West End every Saturday night in a dinner suit. And he was like the 70s in the 90s, wasn't he, that guy?

I think so. He didn't really do any kind of political stuff. His jokes were kind of, you know... His jokes were basically he's rehashing what he's doing in the clubs, right? He's going up to the contestants,, you know, his jokes are basically, he's rehashing what he's doing in the clubs, right? He's going up to the contestants, where you from? What's your name? You know, Oh, hi Jim, my name's, you know, Eleanor and I've got two boys and I'm from the Wirral or whatever. And these they'll do a little gag and they move on and Virgo just completely dead pans the whole thing.

I mean, it's pretty much the show really in many ways, isn't it? Yeah, your gym. Your gym. Your gym, Davison. With my thoughts, yeah. I am quite slightly like him. So, speaking of filling a gaping cadam where one soul should be, I think me watching an episode of Big Break, I don't know what kind of inspired me to do it.

I just, oh, my mate Tommy said to me, oh, I'm watching it, it's quite fun, you should watch it. So I just found it and I watched it. I mean you've got to remember these lovely people who upload these shows and they're not doing it for any kind of monetary return because the BBC have got all of their footage kind of locked down in their rights management system. So it's not like they're making any money out of it, but they're just doing it for the love of Big Break, which I think is fascinating. Absolutely fascinating.

There's a guy who's got an account on YouTube, who uploads his endless 90s game shows. He must just be really into it. Because that stuff will never be, it's like we recently lost the WWE Network, which was the entirety of the history of wrestling. It's not going to Netflix now or something? It's going to Netflix but they're basically just putting up three pay-per-views or something. If you want

to watch like a, you can watch probably all of the Royal Rumbles of which there are you know 30 odd and you can probably watch all of the WrestleMania's but you know if you want to watch I don't know a World of Sport or you know it's just like a British wrestler or a German wrestler that used to be on the network, used to be very available, you can't, it's just been taken off and it just seems... What's the reason for that? I would suppose, I think just fundamental tidiness. I think Netflix don't want like a whole, like Netflix isn't really for that, is it? It's not an archival kind of record

of everything, it's just kind of like a what we think you like now, what the algorithm thinks you deserve right now rather than would you like a very specific match involving Rey Mysterio from 2003. They should be at home for it somewhere though is what I'm saying. They should be and it's kind of now it's been taken down. I mean and the WWE are sort of serving up little kind of nuggets, like small you know five ten minute nuggets on the WWE are sort of serving up little kind of nuggets like small you know five ten minute nuggets on the WWE vault YouTube page which people are quite excited about but we've lost a lot of wrestling this week it's completely unavailable to anyone really. That's history isn't it? That's history right there.

It is isn't it and so all you've got are these kind of like keen men of sort of mark and mine my age just sort of um and it is obviously men unfortunately um just archiving everything you know doing what my dad did where he used to um get um love film dvds he used to sit there and copy them and then he'd just have like a collection he'd just have stacks and stacks and stacks and boxes and boxes of archival records of um yeah basically just copied dvds because he wanted to keep the thing that he shouldn't have kept. Has he still got them? I think he's still got them somewhere and the more I think about them the more I think they're probably quite valuable.

I don't think they're going to be valuable. I think they might be if they don't rot, if they don't get the old famous CD or DVD rot. Copied DVDs from love film? Yeah because you can't get a lot of these films places. It's not a thing I'm imagining on Antiques Roadshow. I just think, well, I mean, I think there's probably some legality or illegality about reselling DVDs. Like imagine the man who's like, who used to go around the pubs in the 1990s with DVDs and CD videos. And he's suddenly really well off because he came to Audible, he's just got

a collection and a DVD printer. Because like, if I want to see a particular film and it's not available on any of the streaming platforms for licensing reasons, for whatever reason the algorithm sort of says that it's not that popular a film, these films are just lost to time, you just can't get hold of them anyway. You can't play video games. I mean, last we've spoken about this before, but like people, archivists, amateur archivists are the ones who are literally solidifying and securing the cultural vandalism that these fucking streaming companies think

that it's acceptable to do. Yeah, so I can remember when I went up to the University of Bedfordshire, they asked me to do a talk about podcasting. And the guy who runs the radio slash podcasting program at the University of Bedfordshire is a guy called Terry Lee, very, very nice man, very passionate about the medium and very interested in his students actually being able to gravitate into the world of broadcasting as a profession. And so he asked me to go up and do it. So I did it. And actually it's where Ryan from

second tier went. Right. Great. Yeah. We've got a good pedigree. And when I was traveling back down, sadly for the University of Bedfordshire, it's not far from Luton. So I had to get the train back from Luton and on the way back, a young chap came onto the train and said, Oh, I was at the thing. Do you mind if I have a quick chat? I was like, no, of course. And we sat down on the train, um, travel back to London together. And he, he basically, his hobby is he personally archives, I think it was BBC Radio 2, every single BBC Radio 2 show that's broadcast. So he listens to it He minutes it he records it on to I guess Probably CD I don't really know company remember and he files it and libraries it away. You know, it's just like doing it

It's like it's just what gets him going Excuse me, and I was thinking to myself that's good. Everyone's got a hobby fine BBC must be doing that anyway, though, right? So that's not an example of that. so there's a back end of the BBC iPlayer called BBC Redux it certainly used to be about five years ago and our mate had a login because he worked for the BBC and I used to use it quite a lot and you could literally go into you know the last 40 years of broadcasting on the BBC and beyond actually as we should be able to because we see it's a publicly it's a public service broker should be open to because it's a public service broker that everyone's paying for.

It should be open to everything but it's that kind of like control thing isn't it? Oh what if somebody finds out that a lot of the broadcasting in the 80s was racist? Yeah well I mean it was wasn't it? Maybe you've got to front up to something that you do. Or if you really need to pick stuff out, pick stuff out. But you could literally go in and type. And it's how I actually made a, you know the song, It's Coming Home, It's Coming Home.

I basically went to EastEnders and found- Three lines, Pete. Three lines, right. It's called Three Lines. It's not the most famous song in Britain. I don't care. You care enough to be doing a remix of it by the sound of it. Well, exactly, yeah.

So I got, I went on the EastEnders a little bit and busily searched for times where people on EastEnders have said, it's coming home or coming home. Oh, I remember you doing that, yeah. And I cut together a little video. And if I was just doing that. Well, you could do a search for the particular phrase, could you?

The exact words, because the subtitles are connected, indelibly connected to the video. And so you have access to that as a BBC employee. We don't have access to it. I only had access to it because I was sneaking in on someone else's login and they didn't do two factor authentication back then. And so it's just like, it's annoying that you could,

you know, you could have watched Big Break in HD or as close to HD as the 90s would allow, but instead you have to sort of go to some like YouTube repository and you know how we do what some of me now is literally torrents or illegal Russian streaming sites that's how we kind of put together our shows now. So it's just a real shame. I'm all Johnnock with this face.

It's just a real shame really though the whole thing. Yeah I think it should be available to everyone, it really should. It's history, real shame really, the whole thing. Especially because it's bloody different. Yeah, I think it should be available to everyone. It really should. It's history. It's bloody history. So in summary, yes, I think my dad's DVD collection will be very valuable when I inherit it. Absolutely like treasure trove.

Put it straight on Facebook market. You know that when I was studying, there's, you obviously come, you meet a lot of different people in different jobs in academic faculties. And I was studying at quite a good university, so the faculty and the facilities were quite good and quite big.

And there were people there who were desperate for the idea that at some point, an attic room's gonna be turned over and there's going to be loads of stuff in there that's going to change the understanding of modern history, you know what I mean? Like just a diary or... It must be so tantalising to think that these things are almost 100% out there, but they are yet to be discovered because... I find that amazingly romantic, that notion.

Oh, it's fantastic. I mean, the way that like Mark trolls through the kind of online sort of auctions of house clearances for wrestling posters from the seventies and stuff that haven't been seen for ages. Like these, these things are out there and these things are, the problem with the internet is the, the, the prices, you know, people who know the value of everything a little bit are the cost of everything who know the value of everything a little bit are the cost of everything. Not the value of everything, but they know the cost of everything nowadays. I think it's getting harder and harder to find good value, or discover things, I think, that haven't already been discovered. I think, if you go into some old person's house who's

been living around the corner from me for like 75, 80 years and stuff, can you imagine the social history that's in someone's attic? And most of it will just get junked. The biggest example of it, the most dramatic example has got to be the Dead Sea Scrolls, right? Right, where was that located? The Dead Sea Scrolls were something like 15,000 scrolls

dating from the third century BC to the first century AD. So basically 300 years before and 100 years after Jesus' life. But they were found in like 1947 in a cave in, on, on, you know, around, um, the Dead Sea, right? So around the car West bank, I think of, of, of Palestine. And, um, this, I think there's like a shepherd boy or something found them. He was like following, he threw a stone into a rock or something and it disintegrated and so he investigated it. And there's just all these scrolls found in these pots.

And they're all like that. I mean, they're all kind of like some of the best preserved books and basically entire books and manuscripts and stuff found from that era, which is incredible to think of because 15,000 scrolls and fragments found around like the writings of Jesus and and even just the social history of you say of that era is incredible and they're all written in like Hebrew and Aramaic like that kind of stuff's mad that that survived for that long it survived for almost 2,000 years you know. And you just think there must be more cairns with stuff in them. It's almost the whole dinosaur thing, isn't it? Like, you know, the fact that dinosaurs weren't really discovered till very, very late on. And the reason for that is because there was a very,

very specific set of circumstances for a dinosaur to be fossilized, right? It has to have died in some kind of weird peat bog or some, some, you know, some kind of way it can be preserved. And I suppose in a way it's the same with historical primary sources. I imagine way north of 90% of anything interesting that's ever happened or written down has been fucking destroyed or something. I think of all the shit that you chuck away, right?

So it has to be a certain set of circumstances for it to be of interest. But yeah, it's just interesting. Really interesting. It's like that laptop man who left his Bitcoin at the tip. Oh man. It's hard for me to think about that without getting upset for him. I think he'd need a lot of therapy to get over that.

I think he needs to leave that behind because this fight with the council is just never ending. I also saw evidence a while back of a couple of guys who had been in some kind of video gaming competition of some particular game. And this is way back, I guess it was like when Bitcoin was first created. Right. Oh yes. And the first prize for winning it was like 50 quid.

Second prize was like 20 quid and the third prize was like 10 Bitcoin. Which is like wild. Oh my goodness they'd be billionaires. I don't know what happened to it, but imagine that. It's just crazy. I forgot about that. Yeah, I forgot about that. Proper leg room.

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Call 1-866-531-2600 or visit connectsontario.ca. Please play responsibly. We're back with a look and Pete show. It's a Monday. We're not doing batteries, but we are going to do history. No, speaking of, I was just going to say to you before we were back speaking of history. Are you going to talk about the Corn Laws again? I've got you excited about the repeal of the Corn Laws. We thought that I was going to say to you before we're back, speaking of history... Are you going to talk about the Cornlaws again? I've got you excited about the repeal of the Cornlaws. It's not that I was excited about the repeal of the Cornlaws, it's just that I was excited to talk about the Cornlaws and I had it taken from me, which made it even more exciting

that I couldn't talk about it. So it was the anticipation really. You got me all hot and bothered, Pete, and then you left. But no, I was going to say, speaking of kind of modern history, have you had a chance to watch the documentary series on the iPlayer about the 7-7 bombings? I haven't, no. Have you seen this on there? I haven't seen this on there, but I'm sure it's a fascinating yarn. It came out...

We don't really sort of know anything. We don't really know anything about it really. It sort of happened and yeah, don't really know much about it around the whole thing. That's why you should watch it. One of them was called Sadiq Khan wasn't it? Like weirdly. He was called Mohammed Sadiq Khan, spelled differently. But that's interesting, that's what you remember though.

What the chances though? That's so unwelcome. I have no idea how common that name is. For a budding politician you're like, oh they're going to miss it, and I'm running from London, this isn't going to work, but it fucking did. Although that guy was actually from Yorkshire, not London. No, okay, bloody Northerners. But it's a four-part doc series about everything concerned with it. And again, for those people not listening from the UK on the 7th of July 2005 London was victim of a suicide

bombing attack for the first time and only time I think in its history. After the Olympics? Yes it was that was what happened it was after the Olympics was announced that's it was the day after I think the decision had been announced and it talks about it from the point of view of some of the victims and some of the victims' families and the police officers and the, yeah, all that kind of stuff. It's actually, pretty honestly,

it's really fucking interesting. You should definitely watch it. The reason it's particularly resonant for me is because it came along not long after I moved to London. And I was working in Leicester Square at the time and so it was all a little bit kind of frightening obviously and when I can I can genuinely remember being like super like inspired the day after when everyone just went back to normal straight away I remember things because that's so fucking amazing. The tube from Finsbury Park into town was incredibly, it was eerie but poignant and also just life affirming as well. Yeah, because I remember someone being interviewed on the news

and going, this ain't gonna fucking stop us, this is kind of London type thing and it was really inspiring for me. But anyway, it's well worth watching. And the thing that I completely forgot about, I don't know if you knew about this But so 7-7 is when the the bombing sadly happened 52 people died terrible. They were saying it was that it's the worst example of murder on Or mass murder on British soil for like literally literally centuries, right? Yeah and

for like literally centuries, right? Yeah. And, but one thing that I forgot totally happened is that exactly two weeks after, another terrorist cell of four Islamic extremists- Yes, I remember that. Did they try the trains again? Went on the tubes again. Yes, they did, didn't they?

They went and fucked up, didn't they? It just went everywhere. Was it acid or something? All four of them, all four of the bombs were faulty. Yeah. So the detonators went off. What are the chances? I forgot about that. Yeah, they were fucked up didn't they? Yeah. Which of course then led to the sad fucking tragic death of Jim Charles de Minas. Because

the four of the terrorists were at large in London for a while after. But the footage they've got is honestly absolutely chilling, but very, very interesting to watch. There's a bit where one of the failed bombers on the tube sets off his bomb and the detonator goes off, right? So it's basically just like someone set off a firework. Yeah. Have I seen it? Have I seen it? Yeah. And he's just standing there and people are confused. Yeah. And then someone looks down and sees the supposed bomb or the actual bomb that's failed on the floor and it's like porridge like oozing out of the bag. And didn't he say it was like bread or something? He was making it. He was making

bread or something. I was making bread in my bag. This is very, very strange. What a fucking gambit. Yeah. Wow. Anyway, it's a very, very inspiring... I forgot about that guy. What a shitted. You're a useless terrorist. Rubbish. Boo. It's... One of the things... Sorry, my cat. Sorry, my fucking cat. Oh, Jesus.

I was recording a... I was recording a guest spot on a football podcast a couple of days ago. It was Woody from Bastille, he's a Plymouth fan, who got us in. As soon as record got hit, the dogs just started going mental. I'm really sorry I'm going to forget the dog. Then I came back in and I don't know what I'd done to my headphones. And they were a bit worried because the dogs stopped barking immediately. Like I'd punched them or something. After a gunshot.

But it was because I'd opened the door and they'd seen someone at the door and they were calm after that. And then I came back up and for some reason my headphones were playing some like jaunting music. Because I'd pressed a button on my headphones and it had all my iTunes app on Apple on the on the on the laptop and it was like and I was like this is a weird theme tune that they've decided to play but they weren't they were just they were starting the show and all I could hear was this mad music in my ears worried that my dogs couldn't bark again these these these pets man they're wild you can't hold them down. Can't hold them down.

What was I saying? Oh yeah, and the funny thing, the final most inspiring thing about it was there's a lady called Martine Wright, who was the most injured female survivor of the bombing. She was three people away from the suicide bomber on one of the tubes. There's no sort of data for that, is there? There's no kind of like, if you're within this radius, because it's so random and obviously these are improvised explosive devices and stuff. So it's like, it's mad how close people have survived bombs like that when they've been sitting so close? She was one of the talking heads in the show and her journeys are honestly amazing. She basically took, it seems to be that she took that incident as like a huge crossroads

in her life and used it as a massive amount of motivation to do something amazing. She lost her legs, she basically lost her legs in that, in the blast. Um, and she went on to be like a Paralympian at the 2012. That's awesome. She became a Paralympian in the, I think the, um, what a particular version of volleyball. Um, so she, she, so from the day after the, the, the announcement that London was getting the Olympics, she was in a terrorist attack, had her legs blown off, and then seven years later she's a Paralympian and used that...

Was she an athlete beforehand presumably? No. No, she just started at that point. And she got an FBE for services, I think, to disability and stuff. But she says in the, I mean, then if you're listening, if you've got access to it, you should watch it because it's genuinely very, very interesting. And also an incredible story of triumph over adversity in her case, but also, you know, a really telling insight into just how extraordinary ordinary people can be in their response to something like that. Not just her,

but like the first responders and the people who tried to catch all this kind of stuff. You know, the bravery involved of the guy, the forensic police officer who goes onto the bus because they found another box that they think could be another IED. They obviously have no, they've got no knowledge of what's happening. Um, at that point there's just no knowledge. There's no, the bot, the bus is blown up. They obviously have no knowledge of what's happening. At that point, there's just no knowledge.

There's no, the bus is blown up. They found another suspect package. He's the first person on the scene. He needs sign off to go and check this thing out because he's got a sniffer dog, but he's not got a sign off. And he's like, I just have to make a decision. I can't, there's hundreds of people here. I have to go and check it out.

It's my job. So he does it and it's not a barman. The bravery is incredible. But this Martin, this lady who went on to be a Paralympian, she called Martine Wright, she said in this documentary, if you give me a chance to go back, not beyond that tube and have my legs back,

I'd say no. Really? Because my life's been so amazing since that happened. And she's at great pace to say, she understands that it's not all about her. her there's been victims lost their lives families and she's just speaking purely on behalf of herself she said you know if you asked me after three months obviously I would now no way my life's been immeasurably amazing and it's all come from that you know I've learnt how to live my life differently it's an incredible story

honestly really well worth watching. I think she's allowed her own personal opinion. Of course, of course she is. I think she's allowed to her own personal opinion. Of course, of course she is. I think you're allowed at that point if you're going to lose your legs or something. But I think also when you're involved in something like that, I imagine you'll probably feel a lot of solidarity with fellow victims and the experience, the singular experience you've had. So I guess she just doesn't want to be disrespectful to the memory of any of that stuff.

But I also found myself incredibly admiring of the teams that are put together to try and keep London safe in the aftermath of it. Because they have no idea what's happening. I mean, I remember it being really frightening at the time, just as a regular person. How many more bombs are going to go off? What's going on? Who the fuck's doing it? I think it's one of those things where it's like there's only I mean we're having that with the is it Southport the young lad who stabbed his children like there is a limitation as to what the state can do in situations like that like I mean there is a there is a limitation of what a city of however million people can protect however many million people from a horrific but limited set

of explosions or stabbing and stuff like that. There's a lot of major cities in the world who have to deal with that by virtue of the fact that they are just major cities and that is the cost of doing business. I think Sadiq Khan even said that. He said it's unfortunately is the price of doing business in a capital city. You are close to people who want to get right their name in light. You are close to people who want to harm you and it's just it's really there are limitations as what can be done as a police force, as a you know anti-terrorist squad. there's just so many of them. And just so many people want their five minutes.

It's atrocious, having to deal with something like that, especially in the wake of something so, we'd gone through the IRA in the 80s and that, and then you get given that, just after the turn of the century. It's just kind of like, it was such a shock and such a wake-up call and we just didn't expect it,

even though we really bloody should have done, because obviously September 11th wasn't that long ago before that. Yeah, it felt like such a, because the reason, I think the reason the series has come out is because it's 20 years since it happened, just about, so that it felt like, because obviously the footage makes it feel like quite a long time ago. But at the same time, to me, it doesn't feel like

that long ago. And I don't know what the most affecting part of it, which really kind of, it kind of made me a little bit upset really, was just that when they finally start being able to identify the victims and repatriating the bodies up, because obviously they're all like, I mean some have run like really deep tunnels in the Piccadilly line and stuff and it takes a long time, and this forensic crime scene guy who tells this story in such an effective, I mean honestly it's so powerful the way he's talking about how he had to do what he had to do is just awful.

And the bravery of him as well was just incredible. He said the thing that almost like tipped him over the edge was he starts to get one at a time taking these basic body bags up onto the surface and they're taking everything and they're putting them all in these, I guess in these vans, all these kind of tents or whatever. And by the time they do it, I think it's quite late at night or something

and there's no one around. And they sit in there waiting to go down to the next one. And all of a sudden, all these phones start going off. Right. Because they've started to get service again. So it's text messages, it's voicemails. and all of a sudden all these phones start going off. Right, how can they be above ground? Because they start to get service again. So it's text messages, it's voicemails. Back then the phone used to call you,

there was a voicemail, didn't it? And they're just ringing and ringing and ringing because all their loved ones are trying to find out where they are. It's honestly, it's brutal. It's really, really brutal. Yeah, you don't really sort of think of that, do you? And then it's just kind of like, oh God, yeah, that's...

It's a gut punch, honestly. Anyway, it was a very, very interesting, very revealing look at a huge incident in the history of London. And if you're interested in London and that kind of stuff, it's well worth having a watch. Sorry, I'm out poor about that, but it was just something that interested me this week so I thought I'd share it.

It was a big time for I think everyone who lived in London at that time you know I wasn't far away from the train going out from the one that got boarded I think it got boarded at Finchbury Park I think but the it was it was a big time and and just I think we'd spoke about before but like it was shit for us in the days afterwards anyone with dark skin it was the worst you know a few weeks of of of anyone anybody's time in London it was you know it was yeah it was pretty it was pretty horrific for everyone and I think it's it's worth remembering that that's you know there's a really defining moment for not only the people directly involved but you know just London as a as a city we sort of go oh yeah like certainly when we

were like that age we felt you sort of feeling invincible don't you really you don't feel vulnerable at all and yeah just reminds you that yeah there are people out there who you know have very different ideas about things than you. Yeah it was the best of it was the very very worst thing that you could think of followed by the you know the best of humanity coming together and trying to get past it. You know, it showed the worst. I just remember, when I was watching,

I was seeing the photos of these fucking terrorists just thinking you're absolute cunts. Like just horrible, horrible cunts. And then you transpose that across to that lady I was talking about, it becomes a Paralympian, just the very best of humanity. And it was just, it was incredible, incredible juxtaposition.

Anyway, sort of be heavy about it. Maybe on Thursday we'll be a bit more frivolous. Hey, we got a good Rakes album out of it. They did an album about it, so. Did they? Did they really? Yeah, their concept album was all about living in London. And you know, one of the songs is about, you know,

people eyeballing an Asian man on the bus who was hugging his bag a bit too tight. There's a lot of, yeah, there's about three or four songs in that album with, you know the song We Dance Together? It was off that album. Yeah, I'm looking at it now, Peter. I'm not really a big exponent of the Rakes, but the lead singer of the Rakes apparently is saying the album was inspired by a combination of the television so 24, the sugar babes and the James Bond theme tune.

Oh well, well, well, who am I to sort of say there's a lot maybe I, maybe I don't stand with my own meaning. But you know what Nick Cage says Pete, once the music's out there it's up to you to put your own impression on it. Yeah, exactly. It doesn't belong to them anymore, it belongs to the listener. He's took the piss there, he's absolutely took the piss out of me there. Unbelievable. He's absolutely mugged you off right there.

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