The Luke and Pete Show - Ricky Gervais Does It Again

Episode Date: August 24, 2026

Being a parent to a small child is fraught with challenges, whether it be an unexpected early morning height-mogging by a tall dad or having to endure the dreadful, flustered driving of other parents as they take their own kids to and from nursery.On today’s show, Luke and Pete exchange these stories before moving on to subjects such as white guys with dreadlocks, drab contemporary political satire and the new Ricky Gervais vehicle “Alley Cats”. The lads aren’t quite in agreement regarding its merits (or lack thereof).Send us your latest stories, questions and comments here: [e-mail] Luke and Pete Show is the sometimes ridiculous, always funny podcast with Luke Moore and Pete Donaldson: two men who have time on their hands and a good idea of how to waste it. Subscribe to get your comedy podcast fix every Monday and Thursday. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Luke Peter Morning How you doing Lucky Mooh? This is the earliest we've recorded in ages We're recording like really early in the morning

What's going? How are you feeling right now? What's floating your ball? What's upsetting you? Pretty tired. That's a good theme. Pretty tired, yeah? How long have you got?

How long have you bloody got for crying out of out? Well, I would just say this. The window is open because of the impending heat death of this planet. So if people hear perhaps the odd dog barking or a parakeet flying over. A bin, lorry? Enjoy it.

Someone taking intravenous drugs? Is this London after all? Well, luckily, this room backs onto other gardens. So I don't think there'll be, I mean, there may well be a heroin addict or two knocking about. I've not seen one, but then they are by their nature quite secretive. Right, okay. There won't be a bin lorry.

day is Thursday so that's not we're not recording this on a Thursday so that's okay that one could have lost become lost from a neighbouring county you don't know that that's true I also feel like the way that some people record their shows these days I can have the window open can I uh yeah people don't seem to mind do they I suppose yeah a bit of atmosphere bit of atmosphere bit of atmosphere bit of a bit of a breeze going through sweeping across the mic what's wrong with that there's nothing wrong with that I completely agree we can't all are rotting an apology cabin, can we? No, it's true, it's true.

I've spent, I've spent, I am exhausted from about five minutes of awkward mum and dad outside the nursery chat. Oh yeah. I can, it can weigh heavy on you. Yeah. Do you live close? How do you live close? Talk us through the scene.

Who opened proceedings? A tall man with his child. A height maxing you. Highmocking you? Straight away. First thing in the morning. Do you see somebody posted? Oh, give over, mate.

I could do without a bloody hype bogging at 7 a. I'm drinking decaf coffee, fuck off. There was, did you say that somebody had posted claviculars? It was like a precursor to vine, I think. His little dance move? His little dance move. Quite a good dance move.

Yeah, yeah, fine. If you like that kind of thing. If you like that sort of thing. What was the subject of discussion outside the nursery then? It was just, where do you live? I didn't start it. Where do you live?

What nursery did your child used to go to? just the usuals really I'm a little I was a little bit kind of aware that my daughter does love to give kids a little nibble here and there and she definitely nibbled

she definitely nibbled one of them yesterday so I was a little bit it was a little bit like I don't know who in the room because all of the other kids know my daughter and know her name Notorious No no notorious Notorious

Not in a fearful way but in a in a like they genuinely do love her she said she's she's I know every kid like I think every parent thinks that I know I know I know but but they but they they do seem to she does seem to be someone that everybody knows because she is she's very sweet young girl so I'm very friendly she is very friendly but um but I am a little bit like as I go towards the gates I'm like right who she because they don't tell you they don't tell you who they've munched on um no they won't they won't give you the info yeah and my son and I and I I keep taking it very seriously.

I keep taking it very seriously, but everyone around me from the nursery staff, it's just a phase they go through. I'm going, yeah, but, yeah, but it has to stop sometimes. It has to stop sometimes. I feel the same about a load of stuff. My son does. My son wandered into the bedroom this morning at 10 to 5

with his grow clock in his hand. Yeah, go ahead. Deal. Ollie the hour's not waking up. It's partly because it's 10 to 5 in the morning and partly because you've unplugged him. Yeah, yeah. It's not going to work.

No. Do I want to be reprogramming a kid's clock at 10 to 5 in the morning? No. No. So one would suggest that if you've unplugged Ollie the Owl, that time stops. And then when you plug it back in, it continues. So therefore you've bought yourself an extra 10 minutes there. So he's seen himself off there. I sometimes sit down with him and say, but son, have you seen the Christopher Nolan vehicle at Interstellar? Do you understand time is a relative concept depending on various different factors? He's just like, Daddy, I want to play with my toys. Yeah. I like the other Christopher Donald film where time goes backwards and forward, so I think that I should be up at 5 o'clock, actually. Really outside the nursery,

there's a very busy road outside the nursery we go to, and you can't fit two cars through it. Right. And the amount of times, I'm going to use this kind of put as sensitivity as I can. The amount of times you get involved with a parent who quite simply cannot to drive their own car

right who have absolutely no spatial awareness whatever and the other morning by the parents I vaguely know not really that well but I had to basically gesture to them from the steering of my car go back

you need to go back because I couldn't go back because there's a big junction behind me right you need to reverse back and move out of the way and they're just like completely flustered Why do people get so flustered? Because they're driving killing machines, Luke.

And to be honest, Luke, you've got a much bigger car than them, presumably. Because I've seen your car. It's massive. That's why they need to go back. Stay back. Stay back. Stay down. I've got bigger teeth in there. But you're kind of painting a picture that you're like,

that sounds like you're angrily going, get back, get back. But in reality, you're probably smiling, aren't you? No, I was angry. I was angry. Yeah, but then you have to maintain a relationship with that part. that person, haven't you? Nah. What of your, what of your brain suddenly, you know, it starts hanging out with that

Ben? Then you've got a... Tell us not happening. You can't be friends with that kid. It's not happening. His mom cannot drive the car company. No, I wouldn't do that. I also, I'm also very, very friendly to everyone at the nursery.

I'm always, I've tried my best to remember people's names. I use those names frequently. I'm always kind of cheerful, wherever I can be, because I don't want my son to suffer through my... grumpiness. Right, okay, that's fair. So I'm always on like best behaviour. Yeah. I'm the most, I'm not biting anyone in there. I'm not, I'm not biting anyone.

Not unless it's consensually asked for. No, exactly. If one of the mum's or dads asked me to bite them, I will, I will do it. Which one would you like to bite the most? I don't really see, me. Answer. Answer the question. I don't know. I don't know there any, I don't know there any that I'm particularly, you know, ravenous for, I must admit. There's one dad whose name

I cannot remember and it's gone too far for me to ask to the point where they are friends with someone else I know and I message them saying that what's this guy's name? Because it's embarrassing. I'm ashamed by it. I mean, I know it happens to you all the time but it doesn't happen to me all the time. So I can't get used to it and he's not actually replied. He's not even read the WhatsApp.

So every single week I see this this dad. Yeah. He definitely knows my name. Yeah. He knows the ramble. So like it's so imbalanced.

The ramble is so imbalanced because yeah, that's not fair. I don't think that's fair. There's at least three or four dads at the nursery who know the ramble. Yeah. I don't think that's fair at all really.

I know, I know one lad who used to work at, um, uh, used to work at television company that, uh, I think he's called Nick. And there's a guy called Ben.

Who was, who looks cool. He's got cool dreadlocks. Um, has he really got cool dreadlocks? locks? He was a black guy, so I mean, I think you're, I don't care what color of the skin is. I'm asking if you think of dreadlocks look cool.

Is it a druller? Is it? Well, because you, because you presume he was a white guy with dreadlocks, which automatically means they're not cool. Because you would have said that. You would have said, there's a white guy with dreadlocks. And then, you would not, you would not have been friends with him. That's bullshit.

I would have been friends with him. I would have been friends with him. I would have been friends with Victor Lewis Smith, big fan of him back of the day. I would have been friends with Victor Lewis Smith because he had white guy dreadlocks. Was he friends? Was he a fan of yours back in the day? No. No.

No. He reviewed the breakfast show once or something. No, no, not at all. No, I just used to like his comedy tips. Back of there, me and my dad used to listen to them because he was just rude to everybody. He used to ring up Michael Winner and Colin for Sex Offender. Would you not judge someone? Yeah.

For having white dreadlocks? I think if they're from my generation, fine. If you're doing it now, not allowed. I would say if you are. If you're the base, I actually sang a little bit. You're the base of the levellers or you're in Ned's Atomic Duspin. It's fine. Exactly. It's absolutely fine. So I think I would absolutely be fine.

But so I wouldn't necessarily judge a white moment dreadlocks. I would, you're right. I probably would have mentioned it if he was white. But where were we? No, you were just saying I like him because he got cool dreadlocks. He's got cool dreadlocks. You accuse me of being racist. You were liking someone just because I got dreadlocks. I was accusing you of you being racist at all.

I was accusing you and saying, well, he's allowed to. It's not that much of a problem. It's not that much of a problem that you would have dreadlocks. But if you're a white guy, it is much of a problem. And the only person here who can have dreadlocks is you. And I think you should fucking piss or get off the pot, sunshine. I should. Let's have some dreadies.

It's been inside me for a long time. I need to get it out. The thing is, I'm pretty sure that you have to go a long while without washing your hair. You do, and you got to piss about with, like, I think I spoke about it before. I think I spoke about trying to get some myself because I had the... basis from one minute silence, Adam. And I went on... How old would you at this point?

I've probably got 19. I'm actually quite surprised you didn't have to go down that route, to be honest. Look at my hair. It can't happen. You tried it and it wasn't possible. I could have one big dreadlock. I could have one medium-sized sausagey dreadlock from all of my hair. But did you try it?

Absolutely fantastic. No, because you need to put like... I think they sort of say to get it started, it's all like beeswax and stuff, in it? Right. Because you wash your dreads as much as you like, but I mean, You've just got to spend a lot of time pissing about with them. I think the whole point of them is that they're quite low maintenance, I would say. So, yeah.

And speaking of Victor Lewis Smith, he's the guy who famously reviewed the first series of The Office and said it was terrible, right? He did, yeah. He was the evening standards? That's followed him around, doesn't it? Well, he's dead now, so. Oh, is he? Okay. I didn't know that, actually.

Oh, you just see him in the Groucho. I was just getting pissed. And I said hello to him once. said my mom, me and my dad are a big fun. Really nice. Yeah, he was really nice actually. And that's, you know, and he's quite acerbic in his columns, isn't he? Because I'm on a similar kind of vibe, I once met Charles Corrin in the Groucho, funnly enough.

What's a surprise? Yeah. What's a unique flower? Thinking about how his columns are and how acerbic he is and his general demeanor. Funnily enough, when I met him, he was a total. month. So it doesn't always go that way. Speaking of Rickage of Ace vehicles, though, because obviously Victor Lewis Smith famously,

if people listening haven't seen that, it's actually quite interesting, quite an interesting time capsule to go back and read that review of the office. It's widely available. Victor Lewis Smith didn't like it, which is fine, you know, it's obviously fine, but it's obviously not aged very well. It's fine for him not to like it, but it looks like a bit of a bit of a bum note in retrospect. Anyway, and I know this is low-hanging fruit.

But I have to mention this. I have to say this to you. Yes. Have you seen any of the latest Ricky Jervais vehicle? I've seen a little bit of it. My goodness me. Now, I'm going to have an opinion here that you're probably not going to like. I cannot.

And the taste police are circling outside. I think... Can you hear them? It's because I've got the window open. I'm repentant. I know. I think that if you... didn't know it was

Ricky Jervis, it would be broadly fine. You can't not know. I know. When you know it's Ricky Jervis, it's exactly the same thing. What, they always have to have the sad kind of, you know, oh, you're a cat. That's the best

thing you can be. Oh, fuck off Ricky. Just, just whenever you sort of got, how can he do the same thing over and over again and sort of go like this is fine? This is absolutely fine. I know you don't reinvent anything, but...

Do you like humans? No, they can't. But also, I thought you would have very strong views on the quality of the animation. No one's making good animation anymore. You'd think that you could use AI to improve

the general frame rate, but no, I think it's, yeah, it's pretty weak source, isn't it? But you do sort of think that it could be I bet there's some great animators out there who would love to got the whole of that and been like I can make this look good at least but it's so lazy that's the thing about it

I don't care that people make things It's expensive and animation's really expensive Oh yeah I bet your voice can get a budget Fuck off Yeah but why It's not gonna work very hard on the fucking platitude is he So why? I just think it's honestly the laziest

What I want to ask you about specifically And I think I know the answer Right But anyway, is why do these other people who are otherwise pretty talented, why are they involved? You've seen what Tom Baston's capable of. You've seen that movie you made with Tim Key. Yeah, because they're all... It's brilliant.

Yeah, but they're all part of his little... Is it cadre? It's all part of his little sort of set up, aren't they? And they all sort of came up with his hands. So there's probably a little bit of, there's probably a little bit of, um, I,

uh, although I'm probably past this point to do a voice of a cat on a shit TV short with the terrible script. Um, you would probably think that I probably awe the man a little bit of something. So probably, you know, I sort of look at that and sort of go,

well, they, they're probably good guys who just feel like they, they, they owe him something. And that's why they're doing this one last, one last job. That's sad though,

isn't it? Well, it won't be one last thing, will it, because there'll be another series, won't there? No, yeah. You can't think it's good. You can't think it's good. I think it's fine.

I think it's fine. It's Crapsdon Villas. Jim McRapst and Ville's. Crapston Villas was like quite innovative and quite kind of, almost like joltingly offensive occasionally. It was like, it was actually quite, for its time, Crapsden Villas was quite like,

I remember watching it quite a lot on Channel 4 later night and it was quite horrible sometimes to watch. It was quite challenging. Yeah, if we saw it, but if we saw it, But if we saw this back then, which is where your face lives. I watched some of it and it was honestly the one of the central plot points

the episode I watched was a little cat being frightened because a boy on a skateboard skated past it closely. Yeah. And so a bigger cat pushed a boy off a skateboard ramp and said,

he won't be bothering you again. Right. Yeah. Yeah, it's again, broadly funny. It's like a story my son would tell me. Oh, there was a little cat that got scared. So a bigger cat saved it. It's honestly, I think it's like honestly numbingly bad.

I cannot believe. Because what's interesting about it is that Jervais goes through this thing where he's like, oh, if you don't like it, you'll try it to be offended. It's like, I'm not offended. No, I'm offended that I'm having to watch this. Yeah. It's not a question of offence. It's a question of

like how you can shit something out that's so lazy and think it's good. I can't believe he honestly thinks it's good. If he does, he's totally lost it. He's completely lost it. Yeah, yeah. And I know you don't like me slagging other things off on the show, but you've got to call it out.

We slack things off all the time on the show. I know, and you don't like it. No, I watched a bit of it. I was like, you know what? It's absolutely fine. What's fine about it? To be fair, producer Bruno has posted the line, apparently the TV show contains the line. What God would make a little kitten this hill?

Does he get to the God stuff as well? Does he get to the God stuff as well? I haven't watched all of it, but he obviously going to do that. He's obviously going to do that. Like that's really his one trick now, isn't it? And if you want, what's really interesting as well? I'm not kind of saying that, you know, the office and extras was all merchant, because obviously it wasn't.

They were clearly a really good team together. And the extras is fucking brilliant. Extras is really underrated. Like no one really kind of talks about it, even though it's brilliant. But if you look at what merchants doing now, like the Outlaws is genuinely good. That's genuinely really fun. It's funny. It's like quite clever.

Like it's got a plot. It's got loads of characters and they manage them really well. They do actually like make a real effort to develop those characters. to us. Yeah. It's got like a storyline. And you compare that to what Jervais is doing now. My goodness me.

And the way I feel just sad about it because he's a legend to us. Like when we were young, he's a legend. Like it was a really big deal for us or for me anyway when he came into the studio and guessed on one of our shows. It was fucking cool. And I just look at it now and I know, what? What are you? Did just stop?

Just stop doing stuff. Yeah, but you were, you were, you were, um, it's certainly the album thing, though, know we spoke about before, I sort of say, you know, 10 years. You should be allowed 10 years and you've got to go. You've got to get everything out. You've got to work like a dog for 10 years and then just get out. Make as much money as you can. Do as much, like, make as much of a statement as you can and then you have to retire.

You have to retire. But I'm not, obviously, I'm not trying to compare, like, us to, like, Javex. It's a different thing. And obviously. Yeah, it's a bit rich. We've been doing for 17 years. Well, no, but I do, but I do think anything. We're not creating narrative.

You know, we also do think that, Pete, if, like, if, like, If you came into the fucking office one day with some idea and it was bad, we would say, right? Well, it's not happened yet. Well, because you're good. And you haven't brought anything in for ages. I haven't brought anything for ages, yeah. It's a good point, actually.

I'm working on something that you, I said I'm working on something, Luke, and you said, I literally do not want to know. No, I don't. It's frightening, because it's frightening. I know I will find out. But there's honestly nothing more chilling to me than being out doing something. Sometimes with my son enjoying life for all its splendor, sunshine and having a lovely day. And I get a little notification on my Apple Watch saying, Pete Donaldson has sent you a real.

Yeah, exactly. I'm doing something, Luke, I don't want it. I don't want it. Yeah. I'm doing something. So you're on board with Ali Katz. You like it. Did you like afterlife?

No, I didn't like afterlife. I thought it was an abhorrent. an abhorrent piece of work of which he should be ashamed. But, you know, put that script with a lot of CaliCats. It's the same thing, really, isn't it? It is exactly the same product

over and over again. So, yeah, it's kind of, I'm broadly fine with this one because it's one of those things that's like, I'm never going to watch the whole thing. I'll have a little dip in, have a little look and go, yeah, that's about it. But I do think they're at the point,

remember when, was it drowned in sound or pitchfork review? did second first or maybe second, second jet album. Second Jet album. It was pitchfork, yeah.

Pitchfork. And they, and they, and they, and they just put a video of a, um, chimpanzee pissing into its own mouth. Yeah.

There's a lot of, there's a lot of chimpanzee pissing at their own mouth, uh, kind of Javis reviews this week. Everyone's just having their kind of go. And it's just a bit over, in it. Like,

if you didn't get, if you didn't get your jabs in on afterlife, you're not getting your jabs in with Ali-cats. I don't, I get the point. I do tell that point. I guess my only comeback would just be that I think this is like demonstrably worse. Right.

Because animators have had to spend some time on that. You know what I mean? Also, it's the same cast with the same ideas. But the thing is, I mean, I feel a little bit, maybe the point you try to make with Alicats, I kind of feel a little bit like with Afterlight. I watched the first season of Afterlife. And I think Jim and Marcus The Ramble were

Slating it. They had seen it before me and they were like Oh it's fucking so bad Like honestly And I was like okay I thought I'll better watch it I'll better just check it out And the one thing I would say about

Well there's two things I'll say about Afterlife right? The first season I've not Didn't bother with the second season In fact is there maybe more than two things I can say about it The first thing I'd say is It's beautifully shot

Right It's I know everything's beautifully shot these days Fucking Alley-Cats isn't But afterlife is and so you've got to give it credit for that. The second thing I'd say is there are scenes in the first season with his dad who's got dementia. Yeah.

And his dad, the guy who plays his dad's a brilliant actor. His name escapes me. He's loads of stuff. He's a great actor. And the scenes between him and his father were roughly around the same time that my grandmother had dementia. He's called David Bradley.

Thanks, Bruno. know, and I found them spot on. They were really, really well judged and well observed. And I thought it was actually very sensitively done. And I think when he gets it right, Jervais, he can do that stuff well. And so that, that to me deserves some credit here. And the third thing I say, like, it's got some funny standalone couch in it. Like, I think, I think, like, Paul Kay is good in it.

I think David Earl is good in it. You know, there's, there's, like, some redeemable stuff about it. Yeah. But I think you can't really say that about the latest offering. Right. But with respect, you've only watched one episode. So I think you should need to watch all of the episodes. Yeah, I've seen one episode and plenty of clips, yeah.

How many episodes are there? I can't remember. Too many. I just always feel like they're kind of British products and products from British minds. They only get like four Eps. There's never a full run, especially with animation. Yeah, you're right. It's more annoying that animators will have had to have animated this to this script.

And they would have had to spend a lot more time. Because you only film something, you know, it's on the SD card, isn't it, almost immediately. But with this, it's like, you know, animators will have about to have animated every little kind of crease in the cat's face. So it's six episodes. I've just looked at up. Six episodes, right, okay. I would also make a wider point. Yeah, Bruno wants us to draw attention to the fact the tagline is nine lives, zero fucks.

Yeah. fine yeah you're defending it um anyway the um can i make a wider point which i would love you get your take on because i think you're good on this stuff um like i whenever i see this stuff and i think um you know whether it's jervais or you know anyone anyone else kind of that space i think and maybe is this our age maybe you'll have a take on this as well maybe it's just the age we're at i do think that like it is possible to make like genuinely thoughtful, satirical and offensive comedy that has a place in this mad society in which we now live

and the way that's being done at the moment it's just fucking embarrassing. Like, whether it's, whether it's Ricky Javais, just basically calling everyone a pedo, saying the word cunt and humans are dickheads and animals are great, right? Like, there is genuinely a really kind of interesting discussion to be had about how fucking human beings are. behaving, how the planet is dying, and how animals are disrespect.

If that's what you really care about and you're a really talented comedy writer and performer, you could do something good on that, but he doesn't. And then the other end of it is you've got people like that Matt Ford guy, like yesterday, what pissed me off? And like I said to you the other day, I am a bit fucking annoyed because it's really hot at the moment and the fucking Earth feels like it's dying and everything's stressful when you get fucking tired of it and stuff. So I get that's informing some of this.

but I saw Matt Ford had posted a poster of his Edinburgh show and it's this political comedy and it's just being retweeted by frontline politicians this is great you should absolutely go and see it and it's like no that's not what fucking political sat are supposed to be you're not supposed to be doing it so the politicians can laugh at it as well

and look at say what great fucking guys they are you're supposed to be fucking challenging it and it annoys me and no one really does that now with the exception like Stuart Lee, no one really does it. And it frustrates me because we grew up in the 90s with Chris Morris and people like that. Do you not get frustrated by that?

Or do you think you can find challenging comedy if you look hard enough for it? I think Matt Ford was a Labour wonk and has a relationship with a lot of people in the Labour Party. That's why that sort of thing happens. I think that people like

Chavez are sucking all of the air and the money out of the room. People just don't have enough money to put anything on the telly anymore. And all of the interest in stuff is happening not on these shores. So the Americans are making all of good stuff. So and by their very nature, they're not going to be as serrated. They're not going to be as, you know, if you're going to create something for an American audience, it has to be a little kind of, you know, you have to be broader just simply because it's a bigger market.

And, you know, you'd think you'd be able to get more cult stuff down. Like there's loads of really subversive kind of interesting. stuff happening, but it's just not happening here because nobody's commissioning anything, because no one has any bloody money. So that's why. But Channel 4 just isn't a channel anymore. Anybody who sort of walks at Channel 4 thinking they're going to make

a TV show, they don't do anything anymore. It's just nothing they're waiting for their next big hit, but they're not really putting any money behind it actually happening. No, then they're just kind of, they're a ship of kind of lost souls. There's just nothing, you know, the people who used to spend money

on TV shows, just aren't doing it anymore. because they're kind of their nose is led by, in my opinion, how many Instagram followers the actors have got. And how much kind of where these people, how much impact can these people make in a demographic that we're kind of really looking forward to rather than making good stuff. So, yeah, I think commissioners are just making stupid decisions and they're being led by data rather than their guts because they don't have that.

Yeah, it's a fair point. And obviously TV there's no money in it. I get that. But I remember thinking that Saturday Night Live UK would be really bad and we talked about it on the show at the time. And I thought, I've taken the piss up the trailer,

which was terrible. So I need to watch it. When I watched it, it was fine. It wasn't that bad. It was actually decent. It's perfectly decent. I mean, but it was also like,

there was like nothing to it. And that was, and that could only happen because it had sponsorship and, you know, a load of funding behind it. And it was a real kind of, um,

not even a hail marriage. just kind of like a, let's do it. Let's do, let's spend on a another really successful brand elsewhere, right? Exactly, exactly. It's got that behind it because they think,

oh, and what my experience is like, American audiences don't, American kind of commissioners and audiences and stuff don't really care about the UK market because it's so small. No, of course. It was quite cool that they did something in the UK, I guess. Yeah.

I think they've, have they tried it before? I feel like they tried it before in like the 90s and stuff. Yeah. Yeah, it's possible. I think it does ring a bell. Yeah, to me, to me, it's just disappointing

because I understand maybe you've got to look in other areas for it, maybe on YouTube and elsewhere online this stuff. But you're right to say that I guess ultimately, if you're on Netflix, you are, you're going to, I mean, Jervais is a banker, isn't he? Yeah. He's going to get audiences. I mean, I almost guarantee that'll get more audience

than if anybody else did it. So why not give the money to JVAS? Then also Netflix commissioned like Graham Hancock to make shit. It's like, to me, fucking, I just think it is a bit weird. I just think it's a shame. Like, and maybe I'm just totally out of touch as young people get their satire

and get their other shit from elsewhere and they are very happy with that. But, like, there's no really, I just don't think there's any really genuinely impactful kind of transcending or transcendent kind of stuff anymore. Like there's no, there's no zeitgeisty stuff that everyone's like, oh, did you fucking see that, you know? It's not, but it's just not on, it's just on,

on the YouTube's and the Instagrams and stuff and TikTok. Like, people are just working, working shorter and working harder at that kind of thing. And that's, I'd look at someone like, I know Conor O'Malley's not a young performer, but look at the stuff he's putting on YouTube and stuff. Like the amount of work he puts into his skits.

And they're like 15 minute long kind of productions. He's a guy peri guy. He's the one who's honk of your horny on, I think you should leave. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He does, like, really subversive kind of like, you know, parodies and size of modern life and stuff. And he basically, he'll start in one place and end up in a completely different place.

Like, go on his YouTube. It's fucking insane stuff. Like, it's really good stuff. And he deserves the platform. But, you know, does that belong on the television? No. Like, he'll find an audience wherever he can, I suppose. So television is not important anymore.

So do you think there's no merit of course? They never gave us a show. Fuck them. No, exactly. And they could have done and they could have done well out of it. But anyway, so could we, more importantly. But do you not think there's any merit in the idea then that part of the reason that governments are so incompetent

and we've had so many different prime ministers and all the rest of it? And those are the reasons for it. It's because there's no kind of proper holding to account of stuff in this way or do you not think it's relevant. What do you mean as in like? Well, as in like, oh, I can't do X because I'll get hammered in the culture for doing it and so it kind of keeps people

on the straight and narrow like the idea I suppose I'm talking shit actually because really the classic Chris Morris stuff about like you know the drug fucking panic and the paedophile panic and stuff

I suppose I didn't really fucking make any meaningful contribution to government policy to do it just took that way I mean what would you do? What would you do now? You do something on the migrants you do something on the board crosslands

you do something on the something that sends you know the Daily Star into a fucking blind panic. You just find all of those things that, you know, I'm trying to think what they're big kind of... It'd be the mail, wouldn't it? You go after the mail and stuff like that.

Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, they're very easy parody, but nobody's doing it on... It's just easier to... It's just... I think it's easier to kind of, like, have a thought, bash it out on social media in a five-minute video or a two-minute tweet or whatever

than write a whole, you know, thing on it that may be able to... a date because things move so fucking fast. By the time you get it filmed and get it out there, it's kind of over. So yeah. Anyway. All right then, let's get out of here. See you later.

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