The Luke and Pete Show - Rockstar M.O.

Episode Date: September 19, 2024

Is conceiving a lovechild still an acceptable form of rockstar behaviour? Luke rants about the patriarchy after Pete brings up the David Grohl scandal. Donny’s adamant that the solution to emasculation is simple - just become more pathetic.Plus, does AI actually make your life easier?Email: [e-mail] or you can get in touch on X, Threads or Instagram.***Please take the time to rate and review us on Apple, Spotify or wherever you get your pods. It means a great deal to the show and will make it easier for other potential listeners to find us. Thanks!*** Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

It's the look of Peach or it is Thursday the 19th of September. Lukimo is with me. Luke have you seen that video of a lot of people having a disco dance in the 80s but every one of them is Lionel Messi. No I haven't. I need to be sent that. Very much. I need to be sent that. It's very much, you know when you see a lot of quite tepid uses of quite advanced AI assisted imaging animation work and stuff.

I've seen it on the WhatsApp, but it's just absolutely awesome the way they've managed to replace everyone's face in the famous 80s disco scene where everyone's sort of dancing, they managed to replace their faces with Lionel Messi's face. Wow, it looks amazing! And like, I just like it! I just like it, Luke. Is that all done automatically? Yeah, probably was, to be honest, yeah. You click a button. Oh, it's frightening, isn't it? It looks so authentic, it's really frightening. Oh dear. Lovely stuff.

I came really, the closest I've come to doing anything at all with AI is I got a prompt in my Gmail to click on this thing called Gemini. Yes, yeah, they're selling Gemini. I've not really sort of used, I've not really used it. This is just Try Gemini, and I clicked on it, it told me these things it can do,

and I thought, that sounds quite good. And then as I clicked through it, it just said, oh yeah, you gotta pay, you gotta pay like, said pay, it was actually quite expensive, it was like pay you know 20 quid a month. For the, what just to use that, just to ask a couple of questions here and there. It's very unlikely I'm gonna pay 20 quid a month for something I don't understand. Do you like chat GBT? It's only like five per a month or something. I have no clue, I've never even looked at chat GBT.

That's wild. That's absolutely wild. Yeah, crazy. I think my life's complicated enough. I want to simplify my life. And these things, this is the thing about modern life or these types of inventions, they're marketed as making your life simpler.

But I'll tell you how simple my life's become since I fucking quit Twitter and Instagram. My life's fucking far simpler. You went back on to us, Lawrence Fox stuff. don't you lie to us. You may have walked away from Twitter, but it pulled you back in. Little bit of Lawrence Fox singing this song. If Twitter is a massive, and let's be honest, racist orgy, all I'm doing is occasionally walking past a window and having a little touch of myself.

Popping your eyes through a glory hole. I'm not getting stuck in like you are. Of course if you send me a link I'm gonna click on the link and watch it. I just did that then with the Lionel Messi 80s disco. Yeah exactly. But it doesn't mean I'm part of it. It doesn't mean I'm a car carrying member. It's part of the, I think the history and memes. There's like quite a lot of like historic vids is the account that does it.

I think they've lost sight of what they're supposed to represent. How do you mean? It's supposed to be moments in history. Here are images of moments in history. Oh, we've stopped talking about the MagnaCart and now it's just videos of the 80s but everyone's Lionel Messi. I just think they've gone a bit loopy. They've gone off brief. They've gone off brief.

They've gone off brief for crying out loud. It's not what we come for. Have you ever seen, so the other thing I would say is that I do occasionally open up Facebook because I use the marketplace, as you know. Yes, okay. And obviously I've just hit straight away with the newsfeed. The Facebook newsfeed now is basically full of weird content

that cannot be true. Yeah, right, okay. Like, here is a photograph of a 17th century, you know... Whatever. ...fucking Egyptian princess. Whatever, yeah. It's like... Okay.

And the comments are all like, oh yeah, they had cameras in the 17th century, they lol. And it's like, what is this? Who is this serving? There's loads of like, really weird pro-army cartoons built by AI that I cannot get enough of. Where, I mean, they look amazing. They look like they were drawn by like Gary Larson or something. Like they look incredible. They're very stylized and it has this kind of cohesive kind of art style that I just absolutely boggles the mind how good the AI is on it.

But it's just drivel. It's just like a mom and a daughter in bed with like a load of army men in their bedroom just looking at them and then more army men out the window and the title will be fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa and it's be like what is this and the automated face but they're going I bet this doesn't get many likes because people don't respect the truth. It's just drivel. But there's always like, it's just kind of like, I don't know what computer spaffs all this nonsense out,

but it's just like images of army people in bed with each other, like and flags and American stuff and lions and just all this weird kind of iconography all mashed together and it's just witless and weird and strange and it's the best part of AI that kind of like uncanny odd brain vomit that it's created. It's like a vision of hell is all it is. It's beautiful in a weird way but inadvertently it wasn't it's beautiful that people are interacting with these bizarre pictures that don't fucking exists like they're just Good god, I would extend it to saying that I find The people on Facebook just as weird like the comments the comments on things like that are almost they're totally

Accepting of the image. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah They'll which I think is even weirder. There was one, like my mum gets, I must admit, my mum gets scammed quite a lot with stuff like this, but it's always like, it was a picture of like a, a really unsafe, three stories high slide in a children's playground, in black and white. And it's way taller than any slide you've ever seen in your life, with way too many steps and way too dangerous for any child to

actually use and so I go look at the kind of slides we used to have in the 60s no no you didn't it's just lies there was one that there was one that I sent on the the ramble group and good god it's really made me laugh because somebody had made like a shit AI picture of Noel Gallagher and Meg Matthews in a kitchen with some pot noodles right and oh we have seen this one and this was written by a human because it had to be seeing as Oasis are coming back I get to do my Oasis joke now here's the Oasis joke it's company by a picture of Meg Matthews with weirdly huge breasts with

nipples. Always got nipples. Always. I don't know what it is about dad Facebook. They love a nipple. They love... If there's not a nipple on a lady, gotta put a nipple on it. Anyway, the furious Noel Gallagher and Meg Matthews appear in their local paper after buying pot noodles a year past their sell-by date. I did a shite through the eye of a needle says Noel. Some bloke has written that as a joke he's put in the term pot noodle because he finds that amusing so he's tried to overgild a lily in my opinion. I did a shite through the eye of a needle is the joke and the more I think about it... But that's Liam Gallagher, not Noel Gallagher anyway. It doesn't even matter. It does matter because Noel Gallagher doesn't even talk like that.

I know, but it's just... All he does is talk about Man City. Absolutely pathetic stuff. Cannot get enough. So yeah, that's a very shit. But has it gone all the way around the other way and is it now good? 280 comments, 50 shares, 830 thumbs ups, which is the universal sign of the dad. What are some of the comments? People are enjoying it? Yeah, everyone's loving it. I can't stop thinking about somebody going, right, they do say shine and stuff quite a lot. So I'm going to write shine through the irony.

Just absolute shit. Wonderful shit. So yeah. What have you ever done though what have I ever done it's good pie actually it's good point I think they've also got a packet of resolve in the background which I presume is some kind of anti some kind of anti resolve is like an anti kind of a vomit headache or vomit like I think it's like you take it when you got a hangover surely would you not have diet calm because he did a shy I have a needle but the interesting thing I'd like to ask you, Peter,

is where, because this is all going in one direction. Right. And it's changed unrecognisably in such a short amount of time. I sometimes look at that type of stuff and think, where's all this going? Like, what's the, so if you think about, say, 15 years ago, right, what was the incident? Well, Twitter's the, so if you think about, say, 15 years ago, right, what was the internet?

Well, Twitter was basically, people were just starting to join Twitter, right, in 2009. Not that long ago. The internet was completely different then. Five years before that, MySpace. It's a completely different world, right? In 20 years' time, where on earth is this gonna end up? Because it ain't gonna be the fucking metaverse with Mark Zuckerberg, obviously. So where's it going to be?

Honestly, like the city are already run scared of AI. Like people only go where the money is and people only invest in this sort of thing. I know like you... No, but I just mean what state is the content of the internet going to be like? Well, I mean, I honestly think we'll turn away from this sort of thing because it is just so greasy. Vapid. Well, it's just like a... it impresses us because it's a little bit dreamlike, isn't it?

The AI stuff, certainly visually, is all like... it's like a big dream because this is what dreams are like. They're just kind of like ghosts of millions and millions of different images sort of mashed together. And it looks eerie and it looks human but also non-human at the same time and there's something quite beautiful about it but I think all of this stuff will start to kind of start they'll lose their funding because the city aren't interested in in funding it they're already running away from AI stuff certainly because there's just no practical applications right now for it. There will be some eventually, but I just don't think from our perspective we'll sort

of notice much of a difference because as it stands, it's just all greasy, weird, blobby shit really. Like, this is not, I just don't think this is going to, I don't think we're going to have the tools because the computationally it just takes such a huge amount of kind of stress on machines to get it all, to get all of this stuff made that like only the very sort of niche applications visually I think will sort of use it and it'll just be in like render farms and stuff that use approximations and physics simulations anyway. So I imagine it'll just be for people who are actually creating serious visuals

rather than just dads doing weird sort of AI crap. I was really interested in what Nick Cave said about ChatGPT when it comes to songwriting. I'll just read you a quick paragraph. He said, he was asked about it. And he said, songs arise out of suffering, by which I mean they are predicated upon the complex internal human struggle of creation.

And as far as I know, algorithms don't feel and data doesn't suffer. Chak-GPT has no inner being, it has been nowhere and it has endured nothing. It has not had the audacity to reach beyond its limitations and hence it doesn't have the capacity for a shared transcendent and experience as it has no limitations from which to

Transcend chat GPT's man collie role is that is destined to imitate and can never have an authentic experience no matter How devalued or inconsequential the human experience may in time become? It's a whole part of a whole wide and kind of little essay He wrote about it And I think that a lot of people who think that Jack chat GPT is going to elevate any kind of art in some way are simply Not even on nodding terms of what are you know, and when someone said to when someone said them? Forget what you said it so I can't credit them they said that the biggest mistake in like AI and chat you be doing this kind of stuff is that we've we've

turned away From something that could help us with our ironing in order that we've turned away from something that could help us with our ironing in order to give us more time to do our ironing. You know, people don't wanna be fucking ironing, or sometimes driving a car, or all these different fucking terrible parts of the human existence which are fucking tiresome at best

and fucking horrific at worst. Yet for some reason, we think that AI can help us with the artistic endeavor that we want to do in our own time as part of our kind of meaningful existence. It's completely backwards, it's totally backwards. Yeah, I mean, I guess, I mean, Keir's probably distracted himself from some pretty bad PR this year, so he's probably still having to think about other stuff. Dog blit! Why hasn't he had bad PR?

I think sort of people are dredgingip. Why is he having bad PR? I think people are dredging up all quotes that he made about the bad seeds playing Israel back in the day. He's had a rough few weeks I think. But I think if you have lived a life in the public eye of any longevity, I haven't actually even seen the quotes so I can't tell you what I think about them, but it's a general general point. It's very very unlikely you're gonna get away with it anything. What do you mean? Is it be something? Yeah, well, there's gonna be always gonna be something you look at. I look at how Everyone's a bit shocked at Dave Grohl's baby out of wedlock. Oh, yeah, that was interesting. It was interesting, but it's kind of like

every single last male rock star. I mean, they're all at that. That's kind of their MO, isn't it? Good God. But I think when somebody... I'm watching a lot of Mad Men at the moment, and honestly, I think there's very few TV shows who have kind of like managed to successfully display in all of the awful crimson colours and related colours how close a lot of men post 40

or post 30 are to having a breakdown through drinking, through ego. They are encased. They are imprisoned by their own egos and they just have to get, they just, they just trundle from one disaster to another because they feel like they have to do it to feel alive. And Mad Men, such a good example, every fucking bloke in that on that Madison Avenue office is just rolling from one fucking disaster and you know, break down to another and it's just kind of like, men are just their own worst enemies out there, they're just that fucking ego, they have to put it in something or they have to drink something or they have to feel like they're being listened Otherwise they go

And with Dave Grohl, I think the way that he kind of like comes across He's always been that kind of like friendly goober kind of character, isn't he? Once you start once you lose a bit of that kind of like doing the right thing kind of goober kind of you know Kind of guy you do start go oh you are a bit pathetic aren't you like every every man's a bit pathetic do you know what I mean like there's no I don't know there's there's very few idols worth idolizing I would I would suggest but I think you know it's not it's not new story not new news is it a rock star's behaving like a rock star I'm defending the behavior, but I mean,

I wouldn't be morally judgmental of that either because none of us is perfect. And the observation you make around mad men is a good one, I think. And it came up a bit when I was studying, because I studied quite a lot about masculinity. And it's an observation that's interesting, but actually the more interesting question is why that is.

And it's a load of really good stuff on like, it kind of crosses over into like gender theory and stuff like that around like, you know, people like Judith Butler who's done a lot of stuff in like gender studies and what, you know, femininity and masculinity actually is, et cetera, et cetera. But a lot of the stuff I read, which is pretty interesting and I found particularly convincing is that, and again, my memory's betraying me again, I haven't got my notes in front of me about it,

but someone said that from the second World War onwards, a man's role in society has gone from one of utility to one of basically an ornamental. Yeah, that's fair. And there's no role, Like there's no role. And so when you look at, say, a lot of the work that men, the overwhelming majority of men would do in the middle part of the 20th century, whether they were miners, dockers, builders, plumbers, electricians, soldiers, whatever, society created an environment where their

identity was bound up with that role. And when you remove those roles, men try and reclaim their masculinity in a number of different ways. And so, you know, the examples, really obvious examples, and if you want to talk about popular culture, things like, you know, how Walter White in Breaking Bad tries to reclaim his masculinity because he's like a completely emasculated husband and man in terms of his lack of achievements. You look at how all the dockers in season two of The Wire,

they're endlessly trying to reclaim their masculinity because they've lost the dockworks. So what do they do? They drink. They brag about sexual contests, they reminisce about the past when things were different. They try and be physically strong. They fight each other. All this stuff's pretty prevalent in all walks of life for men because men don't have a role in society in this era. And I'm not defending some of the horrific behaviour and all the kind of stupid shit that men get up to as a result of that. But I do think if examining the cause of it rather than the symptom is more interesting. Rupert Spira Lean into the emasculation, be more pathetic.

That's what I say. Neil Milliken Yeah, become much more of a soy boy. Embrace it, don't fight against it. But I would also say, you know, to bring it right up to date, I would say a large explanation of why Trump, for example, is popular among certain types of men is exactly that. These men, rightly or wrongly, I would say wrongly, but they feel like they can't be men anymore. And that's why they do it.

And like I said, it expresses itself in really unhelpful ways and really problematic, damaging, disgraceful ways in a lot of instances. But the cause of it is a lack of an anchoring in what men are actually for in the 21st century. Now, just finished, without being too serious, by saying this, the patriarchal system that we live within has generated this. Now, when people talk about the patriarchy and smashing the patriarchy and everything about like that, it becomes a feminist point. It becomes a point that this is not working as a society for women. And I totally understand that. But I would also add that you never hear that when you talk about the patriarchy, the patriarchy doesn't actually work for 95% of men either because it asks them to be things they are

not comfortable with being. And you should want to smash the patriarchy because it's unhelpful for everyone, not just for women. And all that stuff speaks into what you're talking about. Don Draper is a really, really good example of that. And all the other characters around him are in their own way, as you've identified, totally part of that too. And that's why it's such a well observed series. But they're all trying to fit into that kind-war, just men trying to find their place back in society but there's just nothing, you're right, there's nothing for them. There's nothing for that idea. There's nothing for that brutal, I'm going to be like my dad kind of vibe because

the world's changing, the world's changing. That's why it's such a good TV show. And it's also bracket up with class as well, right? Because no one would, in the grand scheme of things, you take mining, for example, as an industry, in 2024, no one is expecting mining, fossil fuels, coal, whatever you want to call it, as being a part of really a modern economy, because of all the obvious reasons it can't be, despite all the cranks, I can tell you, it's going to be a disaster to carry on using fossil fuels for however long we do. But that's one point, like full stop end of sentence.

But no one took the time to try and understand or deliver something that these miners who are now ex-miners could actually do. So what has happened? Well, because of the class system in this country, they just left to rot. There's no help for them. They striked for years on no pay, living fucking below the poverty line to make clear that if we can't mine, we need to do something. Now, of course, a lot of them are saying that we want to mine because they didn't know that much about the environment and the climate change then. But the point was still the same.

The principle is the same. If you close our minds, what are we gonna fucking do and the answer was at the time by you know? Probably quite heavily class biased government decision makers. Well, it's none of our fucking business for yourself out And that's really part of it as well It's the class systems will bracket up in it because it's all ordinarily it's always working class people that suffer Which is why it's so sad when you see working class people turn on each other. Anyway, you got me in a rant there mate. Come on some batteries. Yeah we should go back to batteries, back to basics.

Stay safe, stay battery safe. We're back with a look at Pete Shaw and every single Thursday we do one thing and one thing very well in my humble opinion, we try and fill the batteries that you guys have found in Stuff What You Own. Alex got in touch, I recently had to change the batteries in my daughter's Fisher Price Mock Controller toy and found these three circles, AAAs, hopefully they'll be a new player. I struggled to keep up as my setting of Pair Days

and VINX in the past proves. We bought the controller second hand off of Vinted and I came with these, so no idea if they're originals that they came in. I would say that like, if you fancy a bit of retro tech, Vinted is actually quite an interesting concept because people generally don't necessarily know what the market price is on the retro games console thing,

so you do see a lot of Nintendo DS's for under market value and you know game boys and stuff so it's worth having a peek instead of... Speaking of that by the way, I found out for the first time today, literally this morning, and I think, I mean you tell me if I'm wrong, I think I'm right, I think I've come to this conclusion correctly that the developers that made cannon fodder the games, you remember that? Sensible Software, yeah. The same people who made S fodder the games remember that sensible software. Yeah The same people who made sensible soccer. Yeah, and it makes perfect Yeah, they look the same. Yeah, I literally just made that connection

I think I think most of a lot of their games had little little fellows like that in there Did you know how controversial? Cannon fodder was when it came out It was because you'd like, I mean the song going into the thing was war has never been so much fun, war has never been so much fun. And also when you died in the game you'd have a little, there's like a hill and you'd have a little kind of little grave for every person you lost which made it really quite, to be honest like quite a part of everything else like like if we're going to sort of go after any games, at least it made you feel like the permanence of someone dying actually existed rather than in a war game.

Yeah, because you lost a player. Yeah, you just start again with no blowback. At least now your entire hill was just covered in dead people. Incredible. Yeah, they did that. So John Hare, who I interviewed during COVID, because we wanted to make different pieces of content because no football's being played. And I thought John Hare basically developed a load of football games and he's a bit of a legend in the game, in that industry. I interviewed him and he never mentioned Cannon Fodder. I'm quite disappointed that he didn't really. Maybe somebody else worked on it inside Sensible Software.

I'm trying to remember what they actually did. But apparently there was a really big controversy around the launch of Cannon Fodder because they launched it on Remembrance Day. That's right, yes. And Amiga Power apparently got in a huge amount of trouble for putting an issue out, the magazine of course, with a poppy the front, with Total War on it. And then I think the, then he, I'm sorry if I get this wrong, I don't imagine we'll get sued if I get this wrong, but I'm just trying to remember.

The editor of Amiga Power then was asked for a comment by a tabloid newspaper about what he had done and whether he was sorry for it, apologized for it, and he said as a joke, I think, old soldiers, I wish them all dead anyway, or something like that. And it caused a huge ruckus. It's one of those things where like the MPs started coming out. Honestly, I don't know if it's future publishing, but magazines back then were proper punk rock magazines. Omega Power in particular were a proper naughty little magazine compared to your other ones. But Field Marshal Montgomery, who was one of the biggest figures in World War II, his

son, who was the Viscount Montgomery of Alamein at the time, was out talking about it all over the video game. It just seems so quaint now, given what the world's like now. But I just think they thought that they were trying to cash in on the idea of Remembrance Day. Anyway, we digress from Alex Baturin. Yeah, sorry. Yeah. Alex, I just say that something that will be of interest to us is that the mock controller, the controller we were talking about earlier on was a little video game controller, a fake one. If you do the Konami code it says, you win! Which is absolutely adorable.

What is the Konami code? It's up, down, left, right, A, B, C or something, A, B, B, B, or something like that. So three circles is the battery, right? Three circles. It looks like an Olympic sign gone very wrong. I'm afraid you are Alec, I think, the fifth person to send in three circles, which I was surprised to hear because I thought it might have a chance but it doesn't I'm afraid. Thank you Alec, it's a very kind feeling. Thank you anyway, I mean you never get anywhere near it with Vinick or Perdy, I mean let's

be fair. Batteries have never been so much fun. Exactly. Chris, Huadao, and Chris's email just says, new player, do it. That's the entirety of his email and the picture, a lovely picture of him, I think possibly on holiday. That looks like there's a fair bit of sunshine, beautiful sea, a great hand. What's that on the top right? I think it's a, what you put a parasol into, an umbrella stand.

An entire filled with concrete look. He's got a mole on the same part of his hand that I've got. Are we brothers? The plot thickens. Did you say hua dao? Hua dao. Yeah, you're the fourth person to send those in Chris I'm afraid. Chris jump in that seat. Yeah get in the seat. Kia has got in touch. I've just moved to a new

apartment here in Singapore which means one thing, new air conditioning remotes. I hope you submit a lot of Chinese writing Kanji which I think is Shuang Lao Dian Qi, a double deer battery with delightful double deer iconography on the side of it. Reckon thems been you players? If not at least I learned the Chinese for deer. Yeah exactly. Now look these are brand new players. No one's ever said these before. Have we searched the Chinese icons or? I've searched both. Okay, all right, well that's good for me.

And I can only find one entry. Beautiful. So I think I'm confident in saying that, congratulations to you, Keir, that is a brand new player. So well done you. Enjoying your apartment. It's the first time I've ever put Chinese script into a search engine. You know, if you sort of go out that part of the world,

good luck is always, you know, part of something that everyone thinks about. You know, they're not particularly religious, but they are very, they're talking about fortune quite a lot. So I think that- Is that why they have those Chinese things, Chinese cats with the arm? Yeah, yeah, I guess. Coming here, like, for good fortune, yeah, and the fortune cookies, obviously. But presumably, like your new apartment in Singapore, you're probably gonna have a nice time

because it's just a great way to start your time in your new apartment with an entry into the battery. Daddy Keir, thank you very much. What a great start. What a great start. And I should say, we're out of time to do anything else now on today's show, but people who've emailed in, we haven't got to yet. Andy, Ian, Tom, Ben, Stan, there's loads of people.

We will get to you hopefully on Monday, but if not as soon as we can. So thanks very much for taking an interest and we're not ignoring you. We're just working through them as quick as we can. Look, did you know that, do you know what Sven Joran Ericsson's dad was called? Oh, remind me. Sven Joran Ericsson. Nice. Wonderful. Nice. Wonderful. Do you know that Martin Yole's got a brother called Cock Yole? Cock Yole. I could see that.

He's actually spelt like Cock. Yeah, it's fine. And he's got another brother called Dick Yole. Has he really? Dick Yole and Cock Yole. Yeah. That's unfortunate. And they'd know. You just wouldn't know that was a... that was not... If they're Anglify enough, they're gonna know by now. Exactly. Yeah, too close. All right then. We are... we're out of here. We'll be back on Monday. Do keep your battery emails coming in. Just keep your emails coming in. There's some beautiful ones in and we'll get to them as soon as we can. HelloNoopItShow.com is the way to do that. Say goodbye, Lukey Moore. Goodbye, Lukey Moore. Goodbye Luky Moore. The Luke and Pete show is a stack production and part of the A-Cast Creator Network.