The Luke and Pete Show - Something Fishy About the Biscuits

Episode Date: February 23, 2026

Happy Monday everyone. What better way to start the week than with some allegorical analysis of 1986’s Top Gun? Also on today’s menu: framemogging, Sci-Fi literature, hot tamales and, crucially, s...upermarket biscuits. Pete reckons this thing goes all the way to the top.Send us your latest stories, questions and comments here: hello@lukeandpeteshow.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Fizzy water. It's the one you've got to come back for. Welcome to the Luka Beach Short. I'm being Donaldson. I'm joined by Mr. Luki Moore. I'm enjoying this morning by drinking fizzy water. So, hopefully I'll have some big burps for you later on in the show. We can only hope, not just for me, but for the listening community as well. The listening community with their big fat ears. I regularly entertain my son by popping him up on the side in the kitchen and doing the soda stream. over and over again. He loves it.
Starting point is 00:00:35 Does he like it when the gasket blows and it goes like that? Does he like that? Doesn't happen very often there, does it? Because the gas is last for a long old time. What, so you how? Yeah, but if you press it too many times, if you press like it, you should only get two or three pumps out, but if you hold it
Starting point is 00:00:53 down for too long, it starts to relieve the pressure by going well, I've never done that, Peter, because I'm a responsible soda stream owner. Stay safe. Stay safe. Stay soda stream. safe. That's what I said. How you doing, Looky Moore? You're all right. I'm all right. Yeah, not too bad. I mean, I know weather chat is boring, but our international listeners expect it of us Brits. Yes, exactly.
Starting point is 00:01:13 I mean, I realize that as a nation, we are the boy that cried wolf when it comes to weather. But it has been quite astonishingly poor. It's been a particularly grim couple of months, hasn't it really? I read a headline this morning, like no joke, that said that it was now confirmed that a town in Cornwall had a confirmation that they had received 50 days straight of rain. Fifty.
Starting point is 00:01:40 That's a lot, isn't it? That's too many. In many ways. Crazy amount. That's a crazy amount of rain. I mean, it's kind of... Against my window. I can't stand in the rain. Who was that? Was it Billy Myers? No. That was
Starting point is 00:01:57 another song about rain, wasn't it? Kissed the rain. She kissed the rain. She kissed the rain. I think just rain, I think just rain, wasn't it? No, I think she was telling us all to kiss the rain Oh, yeah, that's right,
Starting point is 00:02:06 you're right, you're right, kiss the rain every last droplet was there a Madonna song that was just called rain I think there might have been right, and then I can't stand the rain
Starting point is 00:02:15 is absolutely Ann Peebles but it might have been made famous by Tina Turner. Oh, okay, right, okay, that's interesting. The,
Starting point is 00:02:25 yes, that does ring a bell. Somebody was pointing out online that the film Rain Man the Tom Cruise character is more he's more of a savant he's more of an artistic character than the Dustin Hoffman character right
Starting point is 00:02:43 which that's not true but I understand the point they're making yeah it's like the top gun being a gay allegory kind of vibe isn't it it's kind of I mean the thing about the top gun allegory is that it almost has to have been
Starting point is 00:03:01 done on purpose. Right. And if it has been done on purpose, really without probably the actors, I would say fully appreciate. You know, Tom Cruise and Val Kilmer are certain characters, aren't they?
Starting point is 00:03:13 You're not buying them in, on an agency level on that film when they are breaking up. No way. And if Tony Scott has done that and the writer has done that, I don't know who wrote it, I know Tony Scott directed it,
Starting point is 00:03:26 then that is incredible because it is genuinely a really, really gay movie. Tom Cruz is helping Val Kilmer polish a missile in a silo up and down, up and down. So I think it was the deeply problematic Quentin Tarantino that first kind of publicised that allegory, wasn't it? It's in that film. He was when he was basically doing some freestyle kind of stand-up in a kitchen party scene in a film I've long forgotten. Sounds teet. Is that? And he's just doing his little bit. And if he hadn't done it there, you know, for a fact.
Starting point is 00:04:00 someone out of, you know, Resa Our Dog's or Pulp Fiction will have done that in a scene. So for those who don't know it, it's basically the idea that Tom Cruise plays Pete Maverick Mitchell, obviously, who is in reality wrestling with his own sexuality.
Starting point is 00:04:15 And he is forced to choose between being straight, either Kelly McGillis character and being gay, either Val Kilmer, Iceman, Tom, Iceman, Kazanski, character. And he eventually, by virtue of the, final scene says you can be my wing run any time and then the other one says no bullshit you can be mine
Starting point is 00:04:36 he basically comes to terms with his own homosexuality and that is the kind of allegory for the movie but isn't kind of being isn't like male heteronormative kind of vibes by their very nature a bit gay like we're all pretty gay in our certain ways aren't we i suppose good please continue peter the very idea of male masculinity is a celebration of how, you know, how, wouldn't it? Yeah. Like, your Andrew Tate's of this world, of this world, are, I mean, Andrew Tate is probably the gayest man on the internet.
Starting point is 00:05:15 Mm, it's wild, isn't it? Yeah. But he, but he, he, he delivers himself to that position. Mm. By it's insisting repeatedly that he is the most heteronormative, masculine man on the internet. And it's almost like when, like I said, the horseshoe theory, when, you know, communism and fascism kind of go all the way around
Starting point is 00:05:34 and they end up holding on to quite a lot of the same philosophies. Values, yeah. Like, I saw a photo, no joke, and I'll get producer Brewer to dig it out later and share it on the socials. I saw a photo with Andrew Tate the other day where he's sitting in a tiny pair of shorts, on the floor of a living room,
Starting point is 00:05:53 surrounded by about 10 Instagram models, all in bikinis, and he still looks the gayest man you've ever seen. Yeah, he's, yeah, he's, I don't know, he's very expressive, I suppose, isn't it? And I think that sort of ties, tithes. It's just very camp, isn't it? Yeah, I think he's very camp. The, yeah, did you, did you see that, who's that fella who smashed his cheeks with hammers and takes, takes, uh, clavicular?
Starting point is 00:06:21 Clavicular. He got, um, is it for him, mugged? I think they believe the idiot call. Don't be going down this one. Don't be start using the words. Just explain it in English, explain it, probably. He was in a... Was he frame-mock? Was he fraymock? Was he fraymocked? He was in a picture, sorry.
Starting point is 00:06:36 Sammy the dog is... He's frame-mogging me by shooting on a bottle of lemonade. Yeah, he's... He was seen, pictured, photographed with, I think, the head of some kind of fucking alpha... What do they call the college system? It's a frat, wasn't it? A lot, Louisiana State University.
Starting point is 00:06:58 And there was a young lad who had... I don't know how old he would he. How old would he, maximum will have been, like 22 maybe? He had the most triangular physique, I think anyone has ever seen. I mean, it looked absolutely preposterous. I mean, if you want to feel good about how you look physically as a man, I don't think hanging around American colleges is going to do much for you. No, and especially now they're all on the roids as well.
Starting point is 00:07:24 Yeah, and they're half your age. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's absolutely wild. But, yeah, an astonishing physique from me. young gentleman. And he looked at the guy, to be fair, did look a little bit put out by it all, which I quite enjoyed. Because that's the only currency he's essentially lent himself too, isn't it, Clivocular?
Starting point is 00:07:41 So if you find someone who's just naturally much more attractive. Because the thing about, I can't even believe we're doing this, but the thing about Clavicular is that he, he's, I actually think he's quite an odd looking chap. And it might be the fact that he's got that kind of odd energy and his demeanor and his chat is so strange but he's definitely got a kind of obviously trying way too hard energy about him and oh by the way on that um you know you've spoken to me loads about people who get leg lengthening surgery yeah love it and i don't think clavicle has done that because he he's got that he's got that little hack hasn't he talks about where he puts boxes around his house to stand on and stuff which is mental
Starting point is 00:08:23 have you seen that story yes yeah yeah so he can take his shoes off and remain six foot too or Yeah, you told me that people in certain parts of the world, you know, were getting this leg lengthening thing to make themselves taller and everything. I never really thought much about it. I thought it was weird and a bit gross, but I kind of just processed it and moved on. And then in my timeline, like late last week, a video popped up of a bloke, I didn't laugh really, of a bloke who had it done and him walking down the street, I was not prepared for how they have to walk afterwards. Yeah, I mean. So it's like they haven't, it's like they haven't, because obviously they haven't learned how to walk with those dimensions. Yeah, no, it's kind of he.
Starting point is 00:09:08 So you walk like a Ray Harryhausen character. When they walk, it's too long. Like your body's, you've not learned how to walk with particular, because you can only break and lengthen one bone and you kind of need it all to be in proportion for it to work. You've just made one part of your body incredibly long. And it's a bizarre situation for anyone to be in. And they've obviously gained so much height so quickly.
Starting point is 00:09:34 They're in a situation where they have to deal with. Have they been told about this? Are they briefed in advance that, yes, you will be taller. You will be taller, but you will walk like a freak. He walks like one of the fucking skeletons in Jason and the Argonauts. Is it the triads? Is that Triffids? Is that Triffids?
Starting point is 00:09:52 I might think we're War of the Worlds, the things on the big stilts. I'm thinking of Jason the Argonauts but David Triff is John Wyndham sci-fi has been able to plant to come to life isn't it? Yeah, probably not that actually But yeah what? Speaking of that I mean in retrospect
Starting point is 00:10:07 This is quite weird But at the time I didn't really question it I So my parents were Were and are very big readers Right? They love to read And one of the things they did for me
Starting point is 00:10:18 Which is amazing Of all the many things they did for me Is they basically Almost just completely by osmosis Got me really into reading from a very young age. And what they would do is they would obviously buy me books or get books from me from the library or whatever.
Starting point is 00:10:33 But they would also give me their books, right? Right. So I've still got quite a lot of them. And I would be like eight or nine years old. And my mum and, I vividly remember my mum and dad, I got her from school one day. They'd left a box in my room of a lot of books that they wanted to get out of their bookcase or whatever.
Starting point is 00:10:52 And they thought I might like them. Like, oh, yeah, just look at free and see which ones you like. and they started recommending ones to me. And a lot of it was John Wyndham. Do you know John Wyndham? I don't. I'm not familiar. I'm thinking of the bloke who did,
Starting point is 00:11:07 I'm thinking of John Farnham, aren't I? The voice. So John Windham was like a British science fiction writer who wrote Day of the Triffitts, right? And he also wrote this one called The Cracken Wakes, right? And it's all this, and he also wrote another one, I forgot about this one,
Starting point is 00:11:25 just looking it up now. called Chucky that, Chucky, about a boy who's got like a really sinister
Starting point is 00:11:32 imaginary friend that turns out to be some kind of like alien consciousness that's occupied his mind. The Crack and Wakes is about this like
Starting point is 00:11:41 all these creatures that come out of the ocean and start basically terrorising humanity and I'm not lapping these up at like eight or nine years old. Who's the guy
Starting point is 00:11:52 who am I thinking of the guy who am I thinking of the guy who did all of like the octopus stuff. Oh God, what's his bloody name now? And he was really problematic. Like really problematic. A guy who did all of that. He did all the octopus stuff.
Starting point is 00:12:04 All of the octopus stuff. You have to meet me halfway in it. Big octopuses coming out of the fucking deep. Fucking, not Jules Verne. Jesus Christ. Is it Jules Verne? 20,000 leads under the sea? I don't know, man. Who did the Cracken stuff? Who wrote about the Cracken quite a lot?
Starting point is 00:12:21 John Winder did the Cracken Wakes. I've just told you that. I know the Cracken wakes, but it's a different thing. He didn't vent the idea of the cracker, did he? No, I guess not. Release the cracken. Yeah, do you remember that? Was that a football
Starting point is 00:12:33 commentator, wasn't it? When somebody smashed the ball as hard as they could. Release the cracking. Pete, Bruno tells me that it might be H.P. Lovecraft. H.P. Lovecraft. That's right. Yeah, he was a real I love the brother. I've been working on the show for like three weeks and he's already picked up your fucking... Already getting involved, didn't he? Yeah. Yeah. Lovecraft
Starting point is 00:12:55 all about the scary the scary octopuses octopi and stuff that's kind of his vibe yeah I mean that's that's fair I didn't I didn't get it from what you in my defence and people may not want me
Starting point is 00:13:06 to defend myself but in my defence who's the octopus guy was all allowed to go on that again which even for me with the experience I've got of you was yeah was um
Starting point is 00:13:17 was tricky I've looked at him up now apparently he was a massive racist yeah that's the one that's the one that's the one but you know what though without getting
Starting point is 00:13:25 too far down that road you know you would even if you're particularly sensitive to it or awake to it even you would be surprised the amount of stuff in history
Starting point is 00:13:39 that is informed by white supremacy like every single like it feels to me like every single policy decision made in the US from like the founding of it till 98
Starting point is 00:13:55 which was made on the basis of white supremacy. Mate, like, fucking, there's racist bridges, you know what I mean? Like, bridges designed to keep black people in one place. It's absolutely, like, and they're the building blocks of your infrastructure. It's absolutely insane stuff.
Starting point is 00:14:11 HP Lovecraft was a character then, was he? Yeah, he was, he was, he was, he was very, um, he, he had very strong opinions about race, I think. He's a very problematic man and, uh, also, also a massive atheist as well. So there we go. Okay. Some people would say go hand in hand. Not me. Not me. Marcus? Certainly not me. Come on. I'm joking. I'm joking. You can't do it
Starting point is 00:14:33 about people who aren't here to defend themselves, Peter. You say that every time. And then you do it anyway yourself. But nobody calls out on it. Exactly. Because I'm doing it. I think, look, if I'm not here, I'm giving you carp blanche to defend me. All right? So defend me. No, I don't want to defend you. I want to, defend me. No, I say, that's the thing. Marcus says this to me. that when we we get you won't necessarily know this right unless i've told you but we get um so a lot of time whenever i if i if i have a listener to the rambler or to luke and pete show grab me in a parbo right on the tube whatever they'll always say oh yeah i like you show and everything without question invariably the next thing they'll say is where's p what's pete like how's pete right
Starting point is 00:15:15 right and um well they'll ask a specific question about something you've said all done and and marcus said this to me and i totally agree um he said to me, we probably play down how weird you are. We don't talk it up. Do you agree with that? I think we... Yeah, but then there's...
Starting point is 00:15:34 But then I would say that we play down how weird you and Marcus are as well. In that we... Or that we don't really mention your eccentricities, because that's my... But why are my eccentricities? Tell me. Height.
Starting point is 00:15:49 Leg lengthening. Fram mugging. Always frame mogging. No, I think you... You would say about me that I'm a bit controlling, a bit kind of OCD, a bit kind of fucking prim and proper. Everything has to be done properly, kind of thing. And you basically think of me as a square. Right.
Starting point is 00:16:07 No, I know. No, and I think you worry, not you worry, but I think you rage against that, which makes you even more OCD. Yeah, that's probably fair. Yeah. Anyway, Peter, what have you been up to? Tell us what you've been up to. So last time we changed. We talked about how similar you are to Jeffrey Epstein.
Starting point is 00:16:24 We talked about how dating you would be like being in fighting in World War I. That's a show. And we had a little pop at Saturday Night Live UK, which, to be fair to them, hasn't even aired yet. So we've already made our judgments. Exactly, yeah. I've been, this week I decided, or actually the last two weeks. I mean, I was going to say, look, I've had some health concerns recently. I'm going to try and lose a bitter timber by not eating what I usually eat.
Starting point is 00:16:51 Which is what? By and. Takeaways. just general how's the hell of fresh going general creams and pastries yeah it's good it's gone all right
Starting point is 00:17:02 it's still got a couple of we've got a bit of cod and a bit of what's their sustainable version of cod that they always throw out of bassa bassa got a lot of basso in the fridge and a couple of prawns so I'll probably see off the prawns today and stick the baster in the
Starting point is 00:17:15 in the freezer but we are and so I'm trying to like be good and not and basically just eat nothing during the day and then pig out in the evening. Yeah, that's probably not what you should be doing. And I check the scales.
Starting point is 00:17:31 Nothing has come off. Absolutely nothing has come off. Two weeks. Two weeks have been alright. I will say that in the middle, in the Valentine's Day, Sarah bought me one, two, three, four. I think it was about, probably about 15 to 20 packs of hot tamales, which are 80 calories each.
Starting point is 00:17:54 And I am down to one pack. I donated three, and I'm down to one pack. Some fierce cinnamon flavored chewy candy's that are artificially flavored. So it came at a bad time my health kick and my dieting because I've eaten 20 of these. Because it's weird that what to... Because you mean tamales as in the little candies, right? I think hot tamales are, is the brand. Tamales as a Mexican dish.
Starting point is 00:18:21 Delicious. But I think... Yeah, tamale is like corn and dough and kind of chicken and stuff, isn't it? They're really, really, really good. Yeah, really good. Delicious. That's probably why then, Peter. It's all calories in, calories out, mate.
Starting point is 00:18:38 It is, yeah. Well, maybe I'll get there. Maybe I'll have a, you know, maybe I'll have a, maybe the scales will treat me fairly. I always find that, like. You're not a problem weight, though. You're not a problem weight. I was approaching it, I think. If you crack up for 12 stone at my height, you are.
Starting point is 00:18:53 are approaching it, but I think I've sort of got myself down to about 11 and a half. I think 11 should be my fighting way. There's no excuse for 11.5 for me, Clive. I am currently 13 stone. That's good. That's good for your height. Bloody hell. Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 00:19:12 That's not too bad. I still do find myself, do you know what I'm really into at the moment? I'm really into cheap supermarket-owned brand biscuits. what do you mean like as in the just custard creams and stuff can you eat them at volume though is that kind of oh he says can't eat them at volume I just yeah yes I can say it louder for the guys
Starting point is 00:19:35 at the back's big in a volume the uh the that's one thing that I've never sort of got I'm not a cake guy not a biscuit guy imagine if I was though imagine how unhealthy I'd be if I was the thing about like have you ever sort of flirted with do they still sell broken biscuits at like 10 trees
Starting point is 00:19:52 my photo over Christmas. No. So we went to my mom's for Christmas and she always puts like a really good spread. To the point where I mean, to put this in perspective, about eight or nine years ago when people were doing this kind of thing,
Starting point is 00:20:09 I posted on Twitter a photo of my mum's Christmas dinner, right? And on Twitter, not a single person criticized it. Everyone was like, that looks amazing. Christmas dinner, absolutely textbook. And it was amazing.
Starting point is 00:20:25 My mum's Christmas days are amazing. And I'll just try to put you in perspective. Like even on Twitter, people weren't complaining about it. My mum does this amazing, does this amazing kind of spread over Christmas, loads of different foods, beautiful cheeses, all these different sweet treats. Like, all that kind of shit you'd expect. And then when Christmas is gone, my, the Wi-Fi have access to him. And my mum went out to do some food shopping.
Starting point is 00:20:47 And I stayed at home with the boy. And when they came back, the Wi-Fi had access to, had bought the biggest box of broken biscuits for like £2.50 you could find. And that was in replacement for the normal nice stuff that we get. And my wife was like, we had these when we're kids, they're great, it's brilliant. You get loads of different types of biscuits in there. It's really cheap. There's massive box.
Starting point is 00:21:11 This is much better. I was like, this is not fucking better than like those amazing, like, taste of difference like Marks and Spencer's shit that you normally get. Yeah, but you never know what you're going to get. And once you put it into a cup of tea, it's all just fucking flour and sugar, in it, really. Some of the biscuits weren't even broken. Exactly. That's the great thing about biscuit factories is there's no
Starting point is 00:21:28 waste, you know, there needs to be no quality control, because you're only losing like a penny on a pack of biscuits, aren't you really, if you go into the sweepie broken biscuits thing. The best thing about Brett's sweet shop in Hartlepool was that you would get the sweepings, a little back sweepings. Well, on that note, the reason I got into the cheap biscuits
Starting point is 00:21:46 is because in our office they put those old-fashioned biscuits in those jars, don't they? Like the bourbons and stuff like that. that got me instant. They arranged them very, very well. Curiously well, in my opinion. Yeah, I agree. The last week or two I've been into fig rolls,
Starting point is 00:22:02 Garibaldi. Fig rolls. Malted milks, right? Fig rolls feel to me the healthiest of all the biscuit. I don't know why. It's the compounded prune or plumb or whatever the fuck it is. Or fig. Or fig.
Starting point is 00:22:15 Oh, what, fig? Fig. Oh, yeah, it's a good bit. You've gone from every. every single adjacent fruit, ignoring the one that's in the name of the product. A big, I bet it's one of those things, like soy sauce, that it was a big expose there on soy sauce recently, where they said that none of the high street brands have any fucking soy in it.
Starting point is 00:22:34 I reckon it's probably one of the things where it's just compounded fucking sultanas and stuff, that they've painted purple. I like that you've tried to on earth a completely fictional, unimportant conspiracy rather to say, I'm going to say, I'm made a mistake. Men arguing with their wives, just, and you are my wife for this situation. I think there aren't any figs in fig rolls these days actually
Starting point is 00:22:55 Bruno look it up and put it in the running order and we'll be real. Bruno, look it up and put it in the running order for a round outload. But speaking of sweepings, I treated myself a while back to a massive, like, sweet shop-sized jar of toffee crumble. Toffee crumble. You want to see it?
Starting point is 00:23:13 I'm going to get it for you right now. As in like, so I'm just going to speak while Luke gets his big jar of toffee crumble out. I presume it's that. kind of like caramel orange. It almost looks like the sort of thing you see in a wall. Oh no Toffee Grumbull is completely different to what I'm thinking of. Toffee grumble is like
Starting point is 00:23:30 it's like catch it. It's like little It's basically pet food, yeah it's like a little dusty pet food. It's sweepings, sugar and a load of E numbers put in these little kind of mini torpedoes and you spend to buy a quarter of a pound of them at the sweet shop when you're a kid. Classic that.
Starting point is 00:23:46 And I was like, I can't afford to buy a whole jar of them. It was like eight quid. I can afford to buy a whole jar of it. And they're so much going to... And they're like... It's almost like how Sue it has delivered. Exactly like that. Soft and yielding. Very delicious.
Starting point is 00:23:59 Grab a handful of them every so often. They need little pick me up. Lovely stuff. They have 100% swept that off the bottom of the factory floor. 100%. How are you pauling 12th stone at this point with your sweepings? Honestly. I don't even know how they're allowed to sell them,
Starting point is 00:24:13 but they claim it's made with real chocolate, biscuit, caramel and dusted with cocoa powder. Yeah, okay. Well, we've got. Well, as it stands, a little course correction from producer Bruno, McFitty's fig rolls are 30% fig paste. Now, that conspiracy has died. With it on the vine?
Starting point is 00:24:34 With it on the fig vine? Has it really? Because I mean, 30%? What's in the 70%? I mean, if you look at a fig roll, probably about 60% should be the filling, and the rest is just the flour and the things that are surrounding it. I'm fairly certain they'll be tossing in a few. raisins in there.
Starting point is 00:24:52 I would say that the Vitties, Fig rolls are nowhere near as good as the same for his own brown ones. In the US, they call them Fig Newton's. Fing Newton's! Wow! For your Figg Newton metre. Well, I mean, I interviewed a couple of nights ago in the evening, a guy who'd written a book about Big Daddy and Giant Hairstacks. And if reports are to be believed.
Starting point is 00:25:14 A hilarious interview, by the way, because I spent the first ten minutes basically blaming him because I couldn't do the interview because I couldn't hear him but he could hear me or the other way around and I kept on sort of like giving an email going oh should we try you know Zoom should we try a different way of recording this interview
Starting point is 00:25:33 and I was like oh god you know I just want to get off and watch some football and it was me I'd muted my microphone just good stuff how long for how about 10 minutes and I was I was so flustered I didn't even style it out and blame the internet which was really
Starting point is 00:25:49 poor quality. That is very poor. You should be a will of best than that. Yeah, I know, but apparently Big Daddy and Giant Histak should spend all of their time backstage at the wrestling shows talking about food they like with each other because they were big, old fatty. Were they proud as well in real life?
Starting point is 00:26:05 Yeah, I think so. I think they both came from, you know, quite modest beginnings and both died quite close to poverty again. What do you mean they died quite close to poverty again? What happened? I don't think Big Daddy made the amount of money you would expect. for someone who literally defined UK wrestling for 30 years
Starting point is 00:26:22 and certainly the late great giant hair stacks died of cancer quite young with a young family as well and he didn't have any money he basically he was British wrestling just died because of big daddy's
Starting point is 00:26:41 over-exposure and his brother obviously over-exposing him and giant heistacks had a final sort of run where he went to America, but he was over 30 stone at that point. He couldn't really move or run. And he went to WCW and he wrestled
Starting point is 00:26:59 as Loch Ness, so there's matches with like, you know, he was there to be the big monster heel to fight Hulk Hogan. But Hulk Hogan decided, as he would usually decide, that he didn't want to fight him because he just looked a bit too dangerous to he just looked a bit clumsy and shit.
Starting point is 00:27:16 So Lockness finally, he had a few matches and then I spent his dying sort of a couple of years just sort of, you know, picking up the odd booking in in Europe and, yeah, yeah. How sad? It was very sad because he felt that he, with his weight and, you know,
Starting point is 00:27:31 his ailing health, he just felt that he couldn't, you know, show off what he could, you know, the level he could perform at. When he went to America for the first time, you know, showing his product to the most amount of people he'll ever wrestle for on, you know, international television. but it was in a situation where his body just couldn't handle it
Starting point is 00:27:52 and he died quite soon after that. That's really sad. Not to take it to a kind of boring place, but like, isn't it crazy like back in the age how many like working class voices and people are on telly? Yeah, yeah. But it was kind of, but in certain roles you would say. You never see them on the news, would you?
Starting point is 00:28:11 You wouldn't see like, um, you'd maybe see like working class people like as entertainers, I suppose, stand-ups, comedians, maybe the odd presenters. I think now, though, if you are, if you are like a working class person on TV, that's kind of your Uber, right? Like, you think of like a Mickey Flanagan. His whole thing is like, I am a working class bloke. Does he have a lot of TV? Does he do a lot of, I mean, probably a better example is Nor Lakey nor lady, I suppose. It's kind of, you hate him, don't you?
Starting point is 00:28:40 Don't hear him. Just think television deserves a bit more. I think it deserves the aristocracy. I think we need a few more. Bradley or sons. One of the person who is going to be spent a lot more time on TV in the coming weeks of months is going to be Andrew Mountbatte and Windsor
Starting point is 00:28:55 based on the news that's broken today as we're recording this. So it sounds like he's going to be... Good news for those who like Arifter Crack people on TV. Does it sound like he's going to be going gang, Dan? We simply and legally cannot speculate. And I would thank you, Peter, to remember your responsibility
Starting point is 00:29:16 as a veteran broadcaster who's been doing this a long, long time. I don't think it's, I don't think we're aware what he's being arrested for. It might be a parking violation. Misconducting a public office. Right. Okay. It's been widely reported. Fine. Okay. Do we think he's going down? Imagine asking that of a co-presenter on a show. It's just, it's so irresponsible. Beggar's belief. It's absolutely inexcusable. For a minute there, I forgot myself. Very good point, Luke. Thank you for keeping me on the straight and narrow. No problem. Here to help. No problem. We'll be back on Thursday for more legally troubling speculation.
Starting point is 00:29:54 Did we think that nurse did it? We'll be back. Very, very soon. And, yeah, we'll be going over some of the colder cases. Fred West, Harold Shipman, and the others. We'll see you on Thursday. Do you want to make some money on Not Luke? Christ. The Luke and Pete show is a stack production,
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