The Luke and Pete Show - Straw Holes?

Episode Date: May 28, 2020

On this fine Thursday we’re talking about such glamorous topics as outer space, The Land of Fire and Jurassic Park. And on a slightly less glamorous note, we’re discussing whelks, Jeremy Clar...kson, and how many holes there are in a straw. When you think about it, it gets really weird. Also on today’s episode, we get an update from the official Luke and Pete Show tarantula and we hear from a listener who found something very strange when they moved into their new house.***Please take the time to rate and review us on Apple Podcasts or your preferred podcast provider. It means a great deal to the show and will make it easier for other potential listeners to find us. Thanks!*** Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:24 Peloton all-access membership separate. Learn more at onepeloton.ca slash running. Hello, it's the Luke and Pete Shaw Thursday edition. I hope you had an excellent Wednesday, Tuesday and the rest of Monday. My name is Pete Donaldson and I'm joined by a man by the name of... Luke Aaron Moore. Yes, we're looking at a one and a half second delay on the old
Starting point is 00:00:53 latency on the recording. So that's the sort of thing you're going to be expecting right throughout the show. Don't say that because it'll be edited, Pete. Well, it might be. If I was the person who's editing, I would have done it for the first few weeks, made a good show of it,
Starting point is 00:01:09 then just let him get on with it for the rest of it. And that's just only part of the reason why you're not doing it anymore. What have you been up to this week, Peter? Oh, I've been doing loads of stuff. I do occasionally a voiceover for a Discovery Channel derivative, D-Max and uh a lot of the shows are about um traveling or living life off grid for a certain amount of time 21 you know
Starting point is 00:01:33 21 days off grid and naked and afraid and living in in places like alaska um one place uh that some um uh tv show a journey to is a place in argent called Tierra del Fuego, which is obviously Land of Fire. And I was going, Land of Fire? It's 500 miles from Antarctica. What the fuck's going on here? And I googled it and a man called Ferdinand
Starting point is 00:01:58 Magalan, who on passing the archipelago in 1520, spotted a number of fires burning along the coastline. So he called it land of fire when as i've said it's 500 miles from antarctica so it's fucking freezing all of the time so can we like just people who are not necessarily discovering it or they just go past it and describe it at some point can we not just sort of go this is a wholly inconsequential and and silly name for this part of the world let's call it something else fuck fernan magalan i don't know who he was
Starting point is 00:02:31 i'm sure he's very important but just because he was a bit paranoid about some fires burning along the uh coastline you cannot call a place the land of fire when it is its high point is like seven degrees. What would you call it? Brrrr. I reckon he's just being ironic, mate. Yeah, he is. He's an absolute, yeah, he's just an absolute roaster, isn't he? He's just having an absolute giggle. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:58 1520, and we're still using that. Land of Fire. Piss off. Yeah, I mean, Playstones is an interesting thing because they tend to never really... And that's why they don't deserve the Falklands, Luke. That's all I'm saying. That's why they never really change. They never really change.
Starting point is 00:03:11 They never really change. Place names never really kind of change. They kind of evolve, don't they? So the town I'm from, Gosport, I think that used to be called God's Port, right? Nice, like that, yeah. But it's evolved. And it's the same where I live,
Starting point is 00:03:24 the area I live in, London, Norwood, that used to be called Northwood. So they do change slightly, they evolve. But you're not really going to get a kind of a groundswell of support for changing Tierra del Fuego to something completely different. It's just not going to happen.
Starting point is 00:03:39 500 years, mate, you're not going to change it now. Just be clever about it. And you know this, Pete, as much as anyone else, because you obviously famously tried to rebrand yourself PD, and that didn't work. It did kind of. I mean, you've been trying really hard to rebrand me as Hamster. What's his name out of Top Gear?
Starting point is 00:03:56 Richard Hammond. Richard Hammond this week. Luke said that me, Luke, and another member of our company are like the lads from Top Gear. But the problem is you may think you may have scored a direct hit on me, Luke, and another member of our company are like the lads from Top Gear. But the problem is, you may think you may have scored a direct hit on me, Luke, but I genuinely don't have much reference for him other than he keeps rolling his cars
Starting point is 00:04:15 and nearly killing himself. So I just need a little bit more. He did a science program, didn't he? I don't know enough about Hamster. I'm inviting you in. Let me, tell me what he's all about so I can be angry about you calling me Hamster from Top Gear. Little fella.
Starting point is 00:04:31 Little fella, yeah, all right, fair. Questionable facial hair. I'll take that. Holding on to hair longer than he should for his age. Okay, right, yeah, yeah. Dreadfully consistent waistcoat wearer. Okay.
Starting point is 00:04:49 I don't wear a lot of waistcoats. Well, you say that. Come on. We've gone four down and I'm stopping you right there. No, I think you wear more waistcoats than anyone else I know. I've not worn a waistcoat
Starting point is 00:05:00 in quite a long time simply because I've put on weight for all my waistcoats. My suits have become a lot smaller on me. Okay, in this situation, by the way, I was also, you should probably point out to everyone that I was self
Starting point is 00:05:15 deprecating enough to say that I was James May who is like quite tragic. So, I mean, I can't... Yeah, but why is he quite tragic? Why would you not go for the big bopper? What's his name? Yeah, I mean, I can't... Yeah, but why is he quite... Why would you not go for the big bopper? What's his name? Yeah, I'm not racist enough for Clarkson. I'm genuinely not a racist.
Starting point is 00:05:31 I'm genuinely a very tolerant person. I don't think he is. I don't think anyone who has this kind of like, that kind of reputation, you know, the Clarksons, these are fellows on Good Morning Britain, these kind of like men who are confused about the world as it is. Yeah, and they think that everyone should just, you know the clarksons the um these are fellows on good morning britain these kind of like men who are confused about the world as it is yeah and then they think that everyone should just you know put their own ideas up and just and grow up and all that shit like they don't believe that they're saying that for money so that's true i don't think any of them are yeah they're not
Starting point is 00:05:57 stupid enough to be that racist they're just they just think they can get a rise and they think they'll be naughty by doing it could i just say the biggest insult you could have paid piers morgan there was forgetting his name which you did so he would be fuming about that absolutely yes but the thing is james jeremy clarkson also punched a producer and i would never ever do that so i mean it didn't really fit for me that's all oh i don't punch producers look at you special bro and they also don't wear jeans like he does no no i guess not i'm out but they've got lovely houses i bet all three of them are I don't punch producers. Look at you, special bro. And they also don't wear jeans like he does. No, no, I guess not. I bet they've got lovely houses.
Starting point is 00:06:30 I bet all three of them have lovely bloody houses. Pete, one of the best ever send-ups of Clarkson, by the way, is in an episode of the Steve Coogan, perennially underrated comedy vehicle Saxondale, where he goes to a classic car show and he becomes friends with a Clarkson type character played amazingly by Alexander Armstrong. It's a brilliant satire of the Jeremy Clarkson and his ilk.
Starting point is 00:06:53 It's well worth a watch. But when do you think that, because you and I, we're approaching a certain age, those kind of jeans that Clarkson wears and the look that he has, when do you think you and I will get to that stage? Because I think you're going to be Hammond.
Starting point is 00:07:06 That's what I'm saying. You'll get to that stage and you'll start dressing exactly like Hammond. But the problem is I've not worn jeans for the last 10 years. I'm a jeans opter-outer. I think that when I start wearing jeans, I'll be saying to everybody, look, I've not worn jeans for 10 years. You've all
Starting point is 00:07:22 been having your fun with jeans. I'm going to, you know, I'm going to, I'm getting me marks and sparks on. So give me some respect. Yeah. I'm enjoying.
Starting point is 00:07:30 Calling it marks and sparks is a real sign. Not wrong with that. Speaking of, speaking of sartorial challenges, check out the link I've just put in the recording session there, because I really want you to look at something and get your take on it. So there'll be plenty of people that don't know this. And I didn't know this until yesterday when I was reading around it, that there's going to be a NASA SpaceX launch on Wednesday.
Starting point is 00:07:54 Actually, no, actually, actually, it's on recording. It may or may not have already happened because of because of when we're recording. So the but it depends on the weather. So anyway, long story, long story long story short at some point weather dependent there's going to be a pretty you know an historic mission where a couple of astronauts are going to fly to the international space station and they're going to do it in the spacex falcon rocket right and the crew dragon that thing that um elon musk is involved in anyway so that's the that's the background p that link i've sent you scroll down to the middle of it look at the space.
Starting point is 00:08:25 Look at the astronaut outfits they now wear. The spacesuits. They look completely different. They look like Lego clothes. The helmets are so small. And it looks like they've put, you know, like Smithy, the terrible kind of 10-quid fancy dress Halloween costume. It looks like they've brought it over. Also, the guy on Halloween costume. Yeah. It looks like.
Starting point is 00:08:49 Also the guy on the right really looks like Dom Jolly. Oh, okay. Yeah. It's somewhere in between that too. Matt Damon. Fantastic. That's generous.
Starting point is 00:08:55 Benkin. His name is Benkin. Hurley and Benkin. They're all now, but done with all of their preparations. Look at worse than that. Actually, are they,
Starting point is 00:09:04 oh, they're not in the rocket there. I thought, I thought, wow, that i thought i thought wow that's a really the the car that they're in uh looked really i thought they were in a car but i know that might actually be the wrong thing they will be i think they will be though it's called an astro van isn't it but their chair but their chairs look like gaming i've got one of them it's all very it's all very kind of um what's the one look for it's all quite very streamlined and minimalist isn't it yes yeah it is well i guess um all of the technologies kind of like come on so much that you you know obviously was there some pressure situation with the with the old ones in the in the 60s and the 70s that meant that they were had to be really bulky and obviously like maneuverability space is at a premium oh man i'm excited look at it
Starting point is 00:09:43 and more than anything else like you're looking at these guys using like new technology rather than like obviously um rockets get built like 20 years before they're needed so there's the technology that's in place now and the stuff that's up there on the space station was put together you know decades ago so like looking at them using like flat panel lcd screens is just so exciting it just looks like they've used their space way more better way more better um i also find it exciting because it looks like um what i imagined it to look like when i was a kid finally and and secondly that that paradox thing about how the the because of the uh because of the time and the processes involved that technology becomes quite outdated i find that interesting when you think about really long distances so for example if you
Starting point is 00:10:30 if they got signed off on a on a crewed mission to say something that's 25 years travel away right so they do one of those things like um you see on some of those ridley scott movies like the newer alien films or whatever and there's a crew there and they're there or maybe they're a family or a group of of professionals that know that they're gonna have to live together for like 25 years what's to say that like in 10 years time there isn't a technology to get them there in like five years which will overtake the original one yes making the original one pointless it's weird waiting they'll be waiting there with space guns. The most upsetting... How gutted would you be if you signed up to a 25-year space mission and when you finally got there, loads of people were already there.
Starting point is 00:11:13 All right. Yeah. Done this for nothing, have we? With space lasers to blow them up. You're not needed. Your idea's outmoded. You're dangerous. But one of the most worrying things is they got like a mission control uh shot for that nasa has provided um uh of the two um space guys i'm
Starting point is 00:11:31 going to call them um in in saturday's dress rehearsal um they're watching it on a video stream that's hosted in a fucking chrome browser that's the worrying thing for me this man who's running the fucking running the whole What would you be using? Well, I mean, you'd hope it would be bespoke, wouldn't you? That you wouldn't be watching a video feed from fucking Google Chrome. But clearly they are. I mean, that part of the mission is clearly not as sensitive as the other stuff.
Starting point is 00:11:56 But yeah. I mean, this is your area, but sure, they'd have certain plugins and security and maybe it's them just just like statistically it's just the most reliable browser right it's just yeah but like why does it need to be why does why is he using the internet browser to watch a video feed of a man on space in space that's the worrying thing like what should it be doesn't need to come doesn't need to come through doesn't need to come through that i'd be worried that i don't know there'd be something goes wrong with the encoder the the footage gets hacked and it gets replaced by a formula one e-gamer
Starting point is 00:12:30 somebody types in the wrong twitch details here's one for you right so there was a great bbc podcast series i think it's called 13 minutes to the moon it's all about the um the space um the space race of the 60s and mission control and NASA and all that kind of stuff. And I think I'm right in saying that in that era, the average age of a mission control operative was 24 years old, right? Right. Imagine a 24-year-old Luke Moore and a 24-year-old Pete Donaldson giving jobs there.
Starting point is 00:12:59 My God. Yeah. It would be horrendous. We'd have hangovers. We'd each have a bottle of Mets. As we tell everyone to get out of the space capsule. I mean, to be honest, though, everything's probably automated now, so it's probably just one button.
Starting point is 00:13:18 There you go. Get the fuck off to space now. Bye. No worries. Let us know when you get there. Give us three rings when you get there. See you later. By the way, pete also um it is worth pointing out that the official luke and pete show tarantula little john um is um has been there's a picture of him been sent in by alex robson who is the
Starting point is 00:13:38 owner of the official luke and pete show tarantula pete i'm not telling you the story i'm not telling you little john's origin story yet again um right but on our twitter alex robson uh shared a picture of him having a lovely little walk around on a karate kid themed plate which is very enjoyable oh um i'm going to send you that right now have a look at that recolored uh so look a, Alex T. Robson. Let's have a look. Oh, that's a beautiful plate. He's only a little fella. Has he put the plate in with the tarantula so the tarantula can enjoy a beautiful silhouette
Starting point is 00:14:15 image of two guys having a bit of a scrap? It's more of a ball. More of a karate kid ball, I'd say, than plate. But, yeah, lovely little chap, stretching his legs, ready for class to return on Monday. Did he shed his skin? Was that the story? I seem to recall.
Starting point is 00:14:31 The story was a thing that due to a translation error, his friends sent him a real tarantula when he thought he was supposed to send him some fake ones. Fantastic. Fantastic. I think that's it. It's great stuff. And finally, Pete, before we go to a break and then we'll do some emails,
Starting point is 00:14:44 I keep meaning to ask you this and I always forget so now i'm going to finally do it have you seen any of the bbc comedy series this country i've not no no you you texted and recommended it to me but it's it's one of those things like um people do nothing and a couple of other things and orzac i just think I just think I've come in too late. I won't know what the hell's going on. Yeah, I mean, Ozark is very different to those. But this country, I absolutely love. I watched the first couple of episodes a while back
Starting point is 00:15:15 and I was like, oh, that's all right. And my friends were like, no, stick with it. And now I just think it's so, so good. I absolutely love it. I can't get enough of it. So I would recommend it if those people out there who haven't watched it, definitely give it a bash um uh yeah i i've seen he one of the um characters from um that particular uh tv show was in the film um michael winter bottom's greed
Starting point is 00:15:38 which i watched last week oh with steve coogan yeah what a mess that film ends up as. My word. Not very good. Really starts excellently and then just goes really downhill. The main protagonist is obviously very unlikable, but there's no redemption arc. There's not even a particular... Nobody's pleasant. It's just a mess. The whole conceit of how he meets his end is a mess and the the the um the the the politics
Starting point is 00:16:07 of sri lankan and and uh and chinese um uh you know disposable fashion creation uh is handled really heavily and like as heavily as it possibly could be in a film where it's actually you know they they steal a gag uh from partridge about Bono, you know, not paying any tax and wandering around with his nan's, you know, cataract glasses or whatever. Yeah. Like, it's so, it was so badly done, I thought. And I don't know.
Starting point is 00:16:36 The only thing I remember of it is that there was a big controversy around the censorship of it by Sony, wasn't there? So maybe that's got something to do with it. Yeah, well, maybe it was. What was the censorship? It just changed the course. I can't remember. I just remember seeing a news report about it at the time.
Starting point is 00:16:56 I'll have to read up on it. Interesting. Oh, well, there you go. Well, let's get into some emails after a short break, shall we? Well, let's get into some emails after a short break, shall we? And we're back on the Luke and Pete show. Kelsey Christmas has just tweeted in saying, I think you're talking about whelks in your latest Luke and Pete podcast.
Starting point is 00:17:19 I don't remember talking about whelks, Luke. I can't remember when we ever talked about any kind of shellfish, not a shelled animal. Didn't you talk about a penis fish last week? Oh, no. I don't know. It's not like a... No, but there's... Oh, okay, Kelsey.
Starting point is 00:17:33 I'll address you directly, Kelsey. These things are massive. Like the big, fat clam things that look a bit sluggy. Whelks are tiny, aren't they? Like my dad used to eat whelks. Yeah. little boys little guys or maybe they do have giant welks maybe kelsey can provide some kind of um proof i don't know but i yeah i don't think that i don't think they're welks but they could be and that is uh where we will leave that hello at logopeachshow.com yeah and someone who's done that is Martin
Starting point is 00:18:05 Larson of Copenhagen. Very nice to hear from a Danish listener. Great stuff. He puts this out to the group, and Pete, I'll put it to you. He just says, how many holes does a straw have? Zero, one, or two? The internet
Starting point is 00:18:22 can't figure it out, so I've done what any sane person would do ask the luke and the pete keep up the good work martin so what do you make of that it is effective uh well it's got one hole really that's what it's got if you uh so say like you extrude a flat plane that has some three-dimensional capacity. Say like if you cut a straw down to like half a millimeter, it's got, it's basically just a circle in a flat bit of plastic, isn't it really?
Starting point is 00:19:00 Does that make any sense? Yeah, it does. So therefore, there's still some thickness in the plastic around the hole, so it's effectively a flat piece of plastic with one hole. Just because it's extruded tall, I think that still counts as one single hole. Yeah, okay. So, I mean, the only way to have two holes is if you put a hole in the straw itself then,
Starting point is 00:19:24 the side of it or whatever. If you put, yeah, yeah. You would have to put a hole through the other side or, you know. Why would people say that they're, why would people argue that it has zero holes? What, because it's a pipe? And does a pipe necessarily have a hole? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:42 Is there anything punctured? I mean, the way it's produced obviously there's no puncturing happening so a hole is not created but by virtue of the fact it resembles a hole it is a hole i think you could argue then i think you could then argue that then for example if a straw if straws are made from one continuous long pipe of plastic then the entirety of all the straws in existence that came from that one piece only have one hole. So therefore, the section of the straw you're using has zero holes because it's just an extension of the big overall thing that it's cut from.
Starting point is 00:20:17 What? Yeah, but which straw has the hole then? Well, the main piece of plastic that started. Why? Well, because your logic is that if you reduce it right down to a tiny, tiny fraction of its size, it's just a hole, right? But what I'm saying is then- It's a piece of plastic with a hole in it.
Starting point is 00:20:38 But if I elongate the whole thing so it's hundreds of miles long and cut straws off it, am i creating extra single holes there or because that's now a new thing but you're saying it's part of a bigger thing with with one hole in total each entity would have its own hole it's a piece of plastic with one you're creating holes just by cutting it ironically thinking about it though if you were gonna if you're gonna say you had a i mean you're extruding plastic so you're heating plastic and stretching it along along a thing i'm not really sure how straws are made but i presume it's something like that you are to cut a circle uh out of a piece of plastic you are um
Starting point is 00:21:17 making one hole but then to cut the outside dimension of the uh extruded plastic you're also cutting another hole in many ways so there's there's kind of two holes oh there we go the answer martin is actually zero one and two that's the answer i don't i don't i've taught myself out of my my my um can we go back to welks please yeah can we go back to welks yeah very nice oh yeah yeah we just had an email in um that is um that is it's way too long but i'll try and cut it down as much as i can but i quite like the idea of uh reading out an email that has literally just come in five minutes ago from jamie reed is that all right yeah go ahead mate you fill your boots i'm back to derail your whimsical
Starting point is 00:22:03 podcast with theoretical physics once again. The idea behind Schrodinger's cat is as you described pretty much there's a cat in a sealed box which will die at some random point. So until you open that box, we don't know whether it's alive or dead. But what makes this so interesting
Starting point is 00:22:15 that in classical macro physics, the cat is alive or it is dead. We just don't know which until we open the box. But in quantum physics, the cat is both alive and dead until we open the box. It's physics the cat is both alive and dead until we open the box it's alive and dead at the same time it's in a quantum superposition of two states everything has to make a decision in classical physics it's either a solid particle or a wave a cat is either
Starting point is 00:22:36 alive or dead in quantum physics it doesn't need to make a decision until we force it to i'm going to leave that there because the email goes on for a lot longer than that jimmy thank you for clearing it up in a pithy and a short manner even though i made it shorter than than it probably needed to be i would um i'll probably go and read that email just for my own pleasure later i think so yes because i think there's a certain element to shredding as cat where you have um sort of subatomic particles and like i think it's like decaying uranium atoms or something that either poison the cat or don't and so that's that's how you get to the super state i think but anyway yeah that's uh that's a digression um what about
Starting point is 00:23:17 this from oliver who is also emailed hello at luke and pete show.com he says hello i'm way behind on this email but i thought you guys might want to hear about the maddest thing I found in my attic as it's pretty weird. In my loft, I found the previous owners of my house. What? Oh, right, yes.
Starting point is 00:23:39 I bought this house 12 months ago as a repossession where it was sold as seen. So I have no idea of the history of the house or the previous tenants i did find that a lot though when i got up into the loft to find old postcards books and the ashes of both the previous owners husband and wife the husband died in the 70s the wife died only a few years ago i had no idea where they've been left up there i don't know what to do with them i've spoken to the neighbors the solicitors and
Starting point is 00:24:04 the local crematorium. Short of telling me about some family rift, they can't help with anything. Any ideas greatly appreciated. Hopefully we'll get them back to the family if they want them. But if not, we'll eventually put them in the garden where they hopefully spent many happy years.
Starting point is 00:24:20 Very weird situation. How do they even make it up into the... Exactly. It's not murder make it up into the ashes? Exactly. I mean, it's not murder-suicide, is it? I mean, how did they both get up there? So somebody must have went, I don't need them downstairs, let's put them in the loft. So confusing.
Starting point is 00:24:35 Like, a fascinating story. And presumably a rather upsetting story. Also, how does he know the ashes are who they say they are? Yeah. Who he assumes they are. Because unless they're labelled, he won't know, will he? It could be anyone. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:49 God, would you want it labelled? Or would you want it to be unlabelled? Surely on Nairn there would be a little message saying, you know, this is so-and-so in the same way that a grave would be. The local funeral directors down the road from me, you can make ashes into, like, jewellery and stuff. Oh, nice. You can wear them out and about.
Starting point is 00:25:10 Out on the town. Pete, would you be happy for me to wear you after you die? I'd choose the hand you weren't using for masturbation. I was thinking of, like, a Prince Albert. Yes! Then I know it would be untouched by any humans. They could put me back together later on.
Starting point is 00:25:34 I watched Jurassic Park for the first time in about 25 years. It was on TV, wasn't it? Yesterday, yeah. I don't remember any of that film. I remember the Tyrannosaurus Rex's big eye. Did you enjoy it? And I remember the raptors in the kitchen. I did, but the actual, the pre-bit where the fat man,
Starting point is 00:25:52 you didn't say the magic word, guy. Dennis Nedry. Dennis Nedry. Nedry. I forgot. Nedry. All right. Nedry.
Starting point is 00:26:02 Nedry, I said. Nedry. all right nedrin i said uh he uh he goes to steal some um some uh embryos embryos and he ends up uh dying uh because he's been a shit but um yeah it it seemed like you think that they would be running they must have been running over budget and budget and over time because they start doing the tours way too early. Cause this goes to shit very quickly. With his own family as well. Mad.
Starting point is 00:26:29 I know. Damn. Which is backwards. But yeah, I like very enjoyable. I can see why I loved it when I was a kid. Cause I truly did. But I,
Starting point is 00:26:41 I, all of the references and all of the, cause obviously the Football R the football amal daily we we have in in the past you know a clever girl all of these kind of quotes from from it i kind of remember it from the film but watching them actually you know being being spoken by the actors i was like oh it's a it's a pastiche of the old football ramble it's iconic when bob peck playing a robert maldoon goes clever girl that iconic. But Pete, one thing I'd be really interested to get your take on, because you're a man who loves a bit of tech and all this type of stuff.
Starting point is 00:27:11 Don't you think that these special effects sound up really well? Yeah, they really do. And it's all about the lighting. The thing that doesn't, it's that idea of this futuristic, how you would access a system. Yeah, that doesn't work. That's really dated. It uh how you would access a system yeah that doesn't work so that that's really basic yeah it's a it's a unix it's a unix system i know these i know how to work these or something and it floats down right they're trying to lock the door and she
Starting point is 00:27:35 has to wait until she floats down to that bit of the memory that's so she can click on it and lock all the doors and get the security back up and running um but no the the the that's the thing you you watch like um 3d stuff made even now and it's uh it some of it's like worse than stuff you would see back in the day like oh yeah for sure you look at you look at a film like um like the mummy which i presume was released um a little while after that um the rock uh the rock's character is he the scorpion king um when he comes out he looks awful the way they've done him he barely looks like the rock the skin doesn't look realistic um i quite i quite like a youtube series where they get um cgi professionals to go back to um
Starting point is 00:28:16 see like bad cgi and also good cgi and they've always got they've always got like the utmost respect for any people working in the special effects industry but you look at like what was ilm was the industry like like doing doing just about stuff like that they sort of respect because obviously they were the first people to do it like that and and and how they were able to integrate the dinosaurs into the scene when the raptors are running around the kitchen and the pots are going flying and stuff i was watching it i was like going to be honest i've seen like the last jurassic park do that worse the way that the pots are going flying and stuff. I was watching it. I was like going, to be honest, I've seen like the last Jurassic Park do that worse. The way that the pots are going flying around and stuff.
Starting point is 00:28:48 I was really surprised how well it sort of stood up. So yeah. Apparently it's a combination of, I think it's a combination of like properly, really well done puppets and CGI to the point
Starting point is 00:29:01 where I think they wanted to get it to where you couldn't tell which was which, basically. But help me out. You might not be able to answer this because as a layman and I'm not anywhere near as interested in this kind of stuff as you, what is the problem with, so for example,
Starting point is 00:29:18 why does bad CGI look so bad and good CGI look so good? Is it a question of budget or time to work on it or the skill of the artist or all those things what oh i think is there much of reasons timing i know a guy who does um who does a lot of work um in this industry and he and they can spend like a certain amount of time creating for example and i'll use the example that he used um arnold schwarzenegger for for one of the previous Terminator films. And they create this incredible, accurate Arnold Schwarzenegger 3D model, which is beautiful, down to his fucking fingernails.
Starting point is 00:29:53 It looks like Arnold Schwarzenegger. It smells like Arnold Schwarzenegger. And then they hand that model over to someone else and he does all the lighting and he does all the compositing and he puts them in the scenes with the other actors. And if they don't do that right, if they don't get the lighting right, or they're not as good and not as gifted
Starting point is 00:30:08 as the people who created the model in the first place, you can make a primo model of someone like Arnold Schwarzenegger or a beautiful construction. You can turn it into shit because you don't have the same skills or your level of compositing is not as good as... Metaphor for this, really, isn't it good as yeah a little bit i mean we we spent uh monday watching or sunday night watching goal three the final um the final episode of the
Starting point is 00:30:32 goal trilogy on on football amble daily and the compositing of um world cup footage with um actors on a blue screen green screen is so kind of it's so poor but to be honest that's hard to do with the very best of them so to ask someone to do that on a budget seemingly on a fucking iphone app like just seems incredible like you you would like there are certain apps that you can you know stuff like deepfakes and and stuff that you you can actually access on your mobile phone nowadays and augmented like reality and stuff you know you can actually access on your mobile phone nowadays and augmented reality and stuff. You can put little dinosaurs and little characters in scenes and stuff. That motion tracking 20 years ago would have been unheard of,
Starting point is 00:31:13 and now you can do it with a processor that sits inside a five-inch block of silicon that you carry around in your pocket. It's unseemly. Say again, thermal paste. Pete, can I just say that? Because I would have put my, well, I wouldn't put my mortgage on it, but if someone said to me,
Starting point is 00:31:31 Pete Donaldson's going to go and watch Jurassic Park for the first time in 20 years tonight, and what do you think he'll say about it? I would have bet that you said that you didn't like it, but you actually did like it. No, I liked it when I was a kid. I loved the music. My wife walked down the
Starting point is 00:31:45 aisles of that music you know that beautiful did you as well oh no i was already standing there oh you're already there weren't you yeah yeah did you go yeah she arrived i said we're being hunted but you liked it though you enjoyed it stupid girl yeah foolish girl of anything um yeah no i really liked it what a film what a what a film and what a what a production and uh go back and watch yours next pete see if you like that never heard of it never heard of it mate it's a film about an otter all right let's go let's get out of here that's enough time for this week uh we'll be back on monday of course with another episode of this i hope you agree excellent nonsense do leave us a review if you enjoy the show and tell your friends about it as well it's
Starting point is 00:32:29 just me and pete chatting crap for half an hour twice a week but it seems to work okay and pete thank you very much as ever for your company uh thanks to everyone for listening as well if you want to get in touch it's hello at luke and pete show.com you can get in touch on twitter as well at luke and pete show i'm to go because my cat is scratching at the door because ever since lockdown, all he wants to do is go in and out of closed doors. I'll see you next time. Bye-bye.
Starting point is 00:32:54 Scratch, scratch. Scratch, scratch. This was a Stakhanov production.

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