The Luke and Pete Show - Thatchers & Rat Boys

Episode Date: March 10, 2025

Today, Luke and Pete are all moustached up, comparing their freshly grown 'tashes to thatched roofs, and somehow spiral into the baffling logistics of maintaining a straw-covered house in 2025. Pete��s convinced today’s thatchers are just winging it...Then, the lads take a moment of silence for Skype before Luke gets absolutely ecstatic about the unexpected return of The Beta Band. Who knew he’d be this pumped about experimental psychedelic electronic progressive folk? Well, we did… obviously!Email us at [e-mail] or you can get in touch on X, Threads or Instagram if character-restricted messaging takes your fancy.***Please take the time to rate and review us on Apple, Spotify or wherever you get your pods. It means a great deal to the show and will make it easier for other potential listeners to find us. Thanks!*** Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Holla with the Rinssen sound. Holla with the Rinssen sound. We've both got moustaches. Luke's got a moustache. We are moustached up, fully mustached up. You can't see us right now if you're listening on the RSS MP3 feed via the excellent people at Aircast. You are, but we're both speaking from

below an awning of hair, which is quite enjoyable. A cookie duster, a soup strainer. I loved that intro. I am coming to you from below an awning of hair. Yeah, a little. In many ways we're already doing that because we've got hair on our heads. It's a good point actually, there's always hair. But there's a bit of punctuation just above the lip.

I would say the ultimate hair awning is a thatched roof. Do you know what I mean? Like I do walk past them sometimes and they go, guys, that is just a pain in the ass. You have decided there in our Lord's year of 2025 to keep going with the old thatched roof, but you are just gonna have a bad time, bad time. So I believe you have to also have it re-thatched every 10 years? Right, that doesn't seem as bad to be honest,

but I imagine it's one of those things that you put money in the piggy bank for, but it's always more expensive when you come to do it. Oh, I imagine, I mean, because it's going to be an absolute paucity of thatch, of thatchers. I mean there's no way, basically since Margaret Thatcher died, who was the most famous thatcher for sure, it was probably a bit of a shortage of thatchches. I love when you, it doesn't happen very often, fully admit that, but I love when you're driving through a beautiful English village and you see someone thatching a roof. Yes.

You know what I'm like, it's difficult for me not to stop and start asking them questions. What, from on top of a roof? Oi, what are you doing? Just shut up. What's your first question then, to a thatcher? How long does that take you? How long does that take you? What are you using? What are you using? Are's your first question then to a thatcher? How long does that take? What are you using? Are you using plastic straws? Maybe they should.

I like a thatch roof. Do you have any clue what the kind of insulation, the efficacy of such a roof is like? Is it good? Is it more efficient? Is it less efficient? It's got to be better than just your normal slate surely. I mean I don't know what's under it. Presumably these days under a thatch roof there's probably some kind of sealant because like back in the day you just have like the thatch on thatch on thatch until you've got a roof and then surely nowadays you would you wouldn't trust the skills of a 2025 thatcher. Where are they learning it? exactly it's going to be their skill base presumably is like homeopathic levels at this point so like there's probably they're probably not that good at it so you don't think that they would have like an already sealed

roof like with plastic and stuff um and then on top of that you put the Thatch what i like because a lot of these places these structures are old right so there's probably limit in what else you can do yeah if i was taking off a Thatch these days underneath it or whatever if i was taking a thatch off now i would insist on putting a couple of um you know fine fare carrier bags underneath the underneath the roof just to keep it dry just to keep it just a bit of security bit of security i bet i don't know this but i bet they are like astonishingly efficient and waterproof and all that kind of stuff. My next door neighbor is having some problems at the moment with his roof. He got a roof

for him while he and his wife went on honeymoon for three weeks because I needed a new roof because the house is where we live at old. And when he came back, half the house was flooded. I hadn't finished it. Right. They still not finished it. It's like a month ago. And they had to redo all the living room and bedroom at their own cost because they fucked it up.

Essentially cowboy roofers. Cowboy roofers, yeah. And if he had popped up with, imagine though, but imagine you're next door neighbour says I was having the roof done so it might be a bit noisy, sorry about that. No problem. Can't you turn it up in a week's time and they've got a thatch? Yeah, like a big... Just sticking out like a little haircut,

like a little rogue haircut on a row of terraces. Yeah, or just bags of cement that have hardened in the sunshine and the rain. More likely. More likely. It's amazing. Like I would say that there was a guy who was doing a roof, a couple of guys doing a roof over the way from us,

and they managed to get finished in like a day. They did the back on one day and the front on the other and they were just really really quick about it to be honest. It probably depends on the size of the job and how much it is happening. We had a leak in our roof as I think I told you and nearly about half the roof replaced right because I have to keep going up and up and up till they find the source of it. And I think it only took a few days. It was fine. The guy who did it was bigger than me, tall and wide and climbed up scramble up there just on ladders. Oh yeah they usually just use the old scaffolding these days for security and safety.

Yeah he was like oh mate to be honest I'm happy to do it on ladders if you want to save the money on scaffolding. I was like well it's up to you mate. If I see you come flying past the living room window I'm going to be traumatised byders if you want to save the money on scaffolding. I was like, it's up to you, mate. If I see you come and fly past the living room window, I'm going to be traumatised by that, but it's not my responsibility. I also thought that he had this little kind of quite young little monkey lad with him who's doing all the clambering around. Well, you do kind of see... It's like me and you doing a route. Well, it's like the usual dynamic in a van is two burly blocks and a rat in it.

It's like, there was a little rat boy in the lorry and they're all sat in the middle aren't they? But here we've got presumably, you're the big burly man and I'm the little rat, but we need another big burly man to sort things out in our new roofing firm. I also got into a debate with out in our little, in our new roofing firm. I also got into a debate with the Wi-Fi I have access to because she was like, yeah, get up there and check the work afterwards. I was like, no fucking way am I going up there. Yes! She was like, yeah, you should get up there, before they take the ladders down, just go up there and make sure you're happy with it. So you go up there!

You're tiny! Neither of us know what we're looking at! You used to be a gymnast and a cheerleader, I'm not going up there, I'm six foot three and 240 pounds Get some of your cheerleader friends to hoist you up there In a big pyramid He compromised on the roof for himself taking some photos Taking some photos, right, okay I mean, again, do you know what you're looking at?

Can you not put a camera on a mobile phone on a stick? Like a really long stick Literally all I could have said was that is a roof. Yeah. That's all I could have said. A roof, present, tick. Definitely a roof. There was a roof there before but I appreciate that it wasn't doing its job because there was water in the bathroom.

Right, okay. Good place for it. But now there is. I think it's a dangerous job. I think it's probably going to be, I think I might have researched at the time and it was right up there with some of the most dangerous work you can do. Yeah. I think electricians gotta be up there as well

because you are going into a job that you don't know. But you're thinking about how you do electricals and that's not how they do it. There was one guy who I watch as a electrician on YouTube and he basically goes, oh, I just nearly got blown up. He's just like talking about, he just goes, he basically goes in and looks at consumer units and just sort of goes, well, that's

fucked, that's fucked. That's not being wired incorrectly. I don't think I've ever seen an electrician go into a job and go, nice. They're always, they're always just stinking jobs and they're having to rescue. I don't know. I think maybe there's just, they're very exacting and there are probably a lot of very officious and specific rules that have to be adhered to and and and they've changed so many times over the year and you have to be sort of certified for each sort of level. I like the idea there's different styles different creative ways of approaching a problem. I'm gonna use thatch for these cables, I'm not gonna use the old copper, but like this guy

he basically he was fixing a light or something and he thought he turned off everything on that level. But it turns out the boiler, which was connected to another loop in the ran off a, it was connected to I think a water heater in the ceiling, was on a different loop. And so it was backfeeding electricity into the whole network. And this guy was doing some work and he didn't and he just and at the last minute he sort of went I'll just double check this oh my god 240 volts oh my god but like the idea of like a naughty boiler backfeeding electricity into the

network is horrific I'm obsessed. Has someone done that on purpose though? No I just think I've just have not really thought it all through I would say it's probably not. Remember back in the day when people used to just rewire their shits they wouldn't have to pay their bills? Yeah what do you mean as in like rewire their shit as in like... Well they would like basically rewire the meters wouldn't they? Oh like sort of yeah cut out there I mean I think electrically that's a lot easier to do than the ones that go really wrong are the gas gas ones in it the ones that re rewire the gas stuff and that's... Don't be messing around with gas for crying out loud. But the old fashioned kind of analog mechanical electricity meters.

Right, yeah. My upbringing was full of stories about that. It was literally like, I think Danny Baker covered it in his first autobiography as well, first memoir, where, you know, they rewire the unit so it looks like you're not really using any electricity at all and then the way things worked back then like way back in the day just make sure you're out when the guy comes to collect the bill. Would they not be would they not be sort of a bit confused that you were using specifically no electricity would that not be a would you not just use a little bit just to

keep appearances really? Yeah there's probably ways and means of slowing it down. Because it used to work on like a ticking over thing, didn't it? Like it was a wheel that ticked over. Do you not still have that? I mean, they're still similar, aren't they? They're just a... Mine's... Oh yeah, this is LED powered, is it?

LCD, yeah. Mine's... You know, as I said earlier, I embrace the technology. You do embrace the technology. Oh, so, wow. No, good, you go first. You go for it. Let's speak of technology, Skype's shutting down. I saw that, I felt nostalgic about it. I felt nostalgic but I can't remember ever having any

positive or non-positive experiences on Skype. Why did they fuck it up? Because Microsoft bought it, didn't they? That's why they fucked it up because Because Microsoft bought it, didn't they? That's why they fucked it up, because Microsoft cannot, despite being one of the most successful companies in the world, every one of their products is available at a time where everybody needs it, and yet they never become the most popular or successful one. Zoom took over during Covid, Skype probably had more penetration than Zoom, but they just took over. Yeah, why do those things happen?

It's so weird, I need a deep dive like American produced podcast to tell me why Zoom succeeds and Skype fails. The Skype acquisition story is quite interesting because apparently, just look at it now, in 2005 eBay bought it for $2.6 billion from its original Estonian developers. It's a bit like Estonia, that's quite interesting.

And then Microsoft bought it from them for $8.5 billion to replace Window Live Messenger in 2011. And now 2025 is no longer for this world. Can we get nostalgic about things that really only properly came into being in like 2008? I think like MSN Messenger's got a bit of a fan base and my space and stuff like that. But yeah, I mean, it's weird to be nostalgic about that. I mean, to be fair, people are sort of bringing back bootcut jeans and, you know, jelly, you know, little jelly necklaces and stuff. I think that would do.

But they don't serve a purpose, do they? No, they don't serve a purpose. But why do why couldn't they have got it right? I just feel sorry for Skype. It burned so brightly. It was the only game in town for most people. And then just Zoom took over. It used to have a thing where you used to have to pay for some of it, didn't it?

Right. If you could top up on a account. I think you could phone. I think you'd phone like landlines for a bit of scratch. But it's just, yeah, you could. Yes, I used to use MSN Messenger you know chat with pals and stuff like that when it was the thing you'd log in wouldn't you and that would be be online. I used to love that. I think I only had about two or three. Is it completely closed down now? Yeah they closed it down a long time ago but I think they probably replaced it with some

god-awful outlook. They replaced it with Skype I told you. I's in there to replace Windows. Is that the same thing? I don't know. I think MSN Messenger became Windows Live Messenger. Well I just hope that there'll be a Hollywood reenactment of the machinations of the Skype, Microsoft, eBay boardroom in the future. Well, the social network. Because they're the only films that we get nowadays that really piss me off. You know, the making of Pop Tart, the making of fucking the Nike Air Max or whatever it's just just endless endless Speaking of movies I went to go and see Conclave Conclave yeah we had a little set to about it this morning then I came around to your way of thinking because I remembered them as a specific part in the film

I don't know why I say this on here because it's a movie that's still in the cinema so I probably don't want to spoil it for people but I thought it was really poor. Right. I think you're wrong on that, but then I did remember the ending. Yeah, oh the ending is like a fart. It comes from nowhere. You totally point that. Yeah, yep yep yep yep. Because it doesn't even make an attempt to explore the ramifications of that. No, but I think that's kind of, you're on the precipice of like, maybe that's for Conclave 2, the Claviest.

This time it's Papal. Yeah, I think it's kind of like, oh fuck, it's like a proper, like this is gonna ruffle a few feathers. Can I explain why I didn't like it overall anyway? Yes, without the aforementioned spoilers. Yeah, so the ending is the ending. I thought the ending was a farce. Because it comes out of nowhere, it's like a day of sick mackerel. You can kind of forgive it, can't you?

Yeah, it's not the plot. So the reason I thought it was poor is because there's a film that came out in 1957 called Twelve Angry Men, which loads of people would have heard of. And if you haven't heard of it, if you haven't seen it, you should see it. It's an amazing, one of the most tense films you'd ever see about 12 men deliberating the conviction or acquittal of a teenage boy charged with murder. Yeah. Yeah. And the whole point is, you know, people think one way

feels like the other. Is that a remake from a very long time ago, I want to say? The 1957 movie is the original piece. Right, OK. Yeah, there was a remake of it, I think, in the 90s, which Oh, I thought you meant the new one. I see. I haven't seen, no.

The 1957 one's got Henry Fonda in it. And it's so tense. And if you look at the way that it's made, look at the production of it, the director did really interesting stuff. The majority of the movie is filmed in this one deliberation room. And what the director used to do apparently before every day shooting is he would bring the walls in half an inch closer every day. Yes. Okay. Right. It gets more and more tense for the actors about them realising it. Anyway, when you're...

That as a principle is the gold standard of how you make that kind of tense drama. And there was a lot of similarities about it with Conclave. You know, all these cardinals coming together and making these decisions and arguing among each other and all the rest of it. And it could have been so tense. It could have been so brilliant. It could have been so brilliant. I think it was quite tense. I just found it unbelievably trite.

It was, I think it was. Very slow paced. Yeah, but I mean, as I said, it is a film about the pulp. That is interesting. It's an ancient tradition. It's very influential, like massive ramifications around the world. It's got all the ingredients. I thought Ray Fiennes was pretty good. Do you know what I was really surprised about in the film? How they make the smoke. Little sort of tear gas canisters they throw on the fire or something and it just kind of pops out.

I like the theatre of them putting the red thread through the... Yeah. ...burning paper stuff. I love all that. There was parts to credit. It's quite educational. I presume that takes place because that would be, if that's not how it's taking place.

And obviously the Pope's very unwell at the moment. So we may very well be seeing these machinations as we speak. Matt Letizier told me that was part of a concerted effort to get Concl Conclave the Oscar. What I like, it's sort of weird sort of seeing conspiracy theorists and we are run by conspiracy theorists like there's no part of our life that isn't touched by conspiracy theorists. You mean you and me specifically? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Stac is a conspiracy theorist. We are a conspiracy asset, I would say. We live to serve and accentuate all of the wild tales

in the world. And I basically every morning take a shower in chemtrails, and I just sort of become powerful from there. I love that. I love that you reach for a bottle of the shower, and it's just got chemtrails on it. Chemtrails, CT. What were you going to say? It was funny to see a conspiracy

theorist debase himself in public and me instantly know that that is literally incorrect of what he's just said. Usually when the conspiracy theorists sort of do their stuff you sort of go, oh maybe it wasn't a side job. Who were just some fucking dude one million followers on Twitter some fucking dickhead talking about Zelensky Trump and Zelensky at one point in the debacle grotesque trap set by two imbeciles Zelensky says you know you've got a great big ocean protecting you and that was in reference to what Donald Trump had said, we've got a beautiful big ocean that's protecting us. And this conspiracy theory went, actually what nobody's talking about

is when Zelensky says you've got a big ocean protecting you but it won't protect you for very long, he is talking about an extinction level event that is going to be taking place in the next few months and you're like no no no he's just referencing something that Trump said about two weeks ago and it was just so lovely so I say oh yeah you're a fucking idiot you're a fucking idiot. When you do a Donald Trump impression you sound like Joe Pesci in Moonwalker I just want him to be cool. Yeah. Yeah I think Trump impressions can be wildly inaccurate I would say. Yeah Marcus's one's alright. Marcus's one's alright. I don't want to live in a world where Marcus has very very good impressions. He did but he is though. He is yeah. He's quite good. It upsets me.

But the thing with Marcus is you try and do depression yourself and even if you're pleased with it, you hear him do one and you go, oh shit, yeah. Yeah, that is bad. But then you hear like a professional person do it. Yeah. And they're a step above. I told you before, I once, I'm not going to explain why, I once spent the lion's share of an evening with John Colshaw. Oh god yeah yeah right yeah. And he cannot communicate with anyone. Without doing. Other than just in impression. And it's it's a little bit. It's cringe. It's a little bit of the um uh the sleight of hand magician at a dinner party. It's a little bit like. He's worked on that by himself in front of a mirror for

days and this is what he's coming with. Matt Ford, the comedian who's very, usually very, very good at impressions and stuff. I can't watch his videos. I find it too awkward. Well I think you can separate the artist's stand up with what he does day to day, you know, a bit of presenting, a bit of comparing. He's always doing impressions, just stop doing them. It's a midlife crisis in an art form. But his Tony Blair, I had his Tony Blair, lovely bloke, I used to work with him. You're just saying that because you're probably friends with him somewhere.

Yeah, I know him, but he's lovely and there aren't many lovely people in the fucking... What annoys me is that you bring it up knowing I'm going to slag him off and then you get annoyed... I don't get annoyed! ...that you brought him up knowing I'm going to slag him off in the first place! Well I'm slagging him off now, I'm saying this Tony Blair impression was absolutely horrific, it turned into... It turned into Boris Johnson halfway through and I was like, you're usually so good at this! Yeah, I heard him on the radio, I was like, what's happened here? I can't stick it out when I see him come up on my timeline.

Well, I would say his skill is very much the interviews and the presenting. I'm sure he's very talented at whatever it is he does, I'm still not quite sure, based on your assessment. But I am only being honest, and what annoys me is that then, I'm still not quite sure, both in your assessment. But I am only being honest. And what annoys me is that then what tends to happen with this, and I'll tell you when this happened, the other day. You'll have a meeting with him next week.

This happened the other day, because you reached out a while ago to me about doing a show with a couple of guys. Right. I'm not gonna say a name, because I'm not into the fun of self-involvement a couple of guys. Right. I'm not gonna say a name because I'm not into the film myself. Couple of guys, they were up to no good. They're both lovely. Right.

And we didn't do the show because it wasn't right for us, but I agreed to go on their podcast. I agreed to guest on it. Oh yes, I know that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I could tell, basically because they know you first. Right. yeah. Yeah, yeah. And I could tell, basically because they know you first,

I could tell, as I can always tell, that when I start speaking to them, they're expecting me to be a cunt. Well, I haven't done a diplomatic mission beforehand to sort of mug you off. I know, that's why I'm annoyed. You should be doing one. What's Luke like? He's great. He's lovely. He's a really nice annoyed. You should be doing one. What's Luke like?

He's great, he's lovely, he's a really nice fella. Nobody ever asked me that. They've already made up the mind. They don't wanna know. Yeah, they've heard the output. They've heard the output. There's nothing to be done. They know what it is.

At least put a plaster on it for me, is what I'm saying. One of their number was undercover at Manchester, probably now is at, I don't know. I saw that. Manchester City, that's annoying. That's as good as it's gonna get really in recent times. That actually invited me out with him on Friday and I've agreed to attend. City. That's annoying. That's as good as it's going to get really in recent times. They actually invited me out with them on Friday and I've agreed to attend. Well there you go.

So all's well that ends well. All's well that ends well. Unless it's some kind of trap. It's a trap. Zelensky. Zelensky, JD Vans and Trump. On a railway line or something. Anyway, let's have a break Pete. When we come back I've got some,

we haven't even got to the massive news that I want to talk about yet. All right then. I'll do that the other side of it. Fine. We're back with the Luke and Pete show Pete show I Pete Donaldson John by mr. Lukey Moore we're not doing batteries in this part of the show because it's a it's a Monday for crying out loud But I did find a judo battery in a child's toy recently Okay off the top your head any interest. I'm thinking no. I'm thinking no. I don't think I've seen it too many times

So you don't have to check I'm just asking, I'm thinking no. I don't think I've seen it too many times. You don't have to check, I'm just asking off the top of your head. I'm not going to go against years and years of protocol by checking. Right. Because it's not Thursday. No. I would say we can check on Thursday but I would say we probably have had that before. Yeah, okay. Right. Yeah. Oh, never mind. Do you want to hear my big, my exciting subject to talk about? What's your big exciting subject to talk about? I was about to say my big news, but it's not my news. It's like I read about an hour ago. Have you seen the Beta band of Reformed?

Er, no. We really haven't. Is anyone listening to this going to know what I'm talking about? Well, I know what they are, and I know for a fact that Sarah knows who they are because she does like a couple of their songs but yeah I think they're a bit of a fan from back in the day aren't you? I think they are. Hang on, is this a big take?

Is this a huge take? Is that a big wind up for one? Is that like boxing me and seeing me about to do a big heavyweight? Which will easily duck out the whale. You've telegraphed it. Is it like boxing me and seeing me about to do a big heavyweight? Yeah. Which will easily duck out the way. You've telegraphed it. I think that the three EPs is one of the greatest British records of all time.

Right. Okay. Yeah. I think they are by some distance the most interesting band of the 90s and British bands of the 90s. And I think that them coming back is the best piece of news I've heard so far this year. We're only in the start of March. I understand that. We need some.

Already, already, and I can say this because this isn't going to come out before the tickets go on pre-sales. Right. In the unlikely event that they're popular enough for people to listen to this and go and check them out or feel the same way as I do. I've already put a marker in my diary for pre-sale for this show at the Roundhouse in October, I think. Before I go off on one, people listening, the Beat'r band, not only a brilliant band, they've got an amazing story as well. They're like just a bunch of Scottish friends from up near St Andrews and they used to get together in a van and

take a load of psychedelics and just do a lot of different jam sessions and then get their songs out of that but they are a band who are completely beyond description. They totally defy any genre. It's part post-rock, part experimental, part Indian. A lot of psychedelia in there isn't it? Yeah, very psychedelic. And, you know, they supported Radiohead, I think on their world tour towards the end of the night, it's around the OK computer time, I think. If you look back at all the quotes about the Beat'r band from all the big players of British 90s music, Noel Gallagher, Tom York, Damon Albarn, Jarvis Cover, all these people, they all are saying things like, our next aim is to make an album, not the

Beat'r band. Never did anything commercially very successful, run up an amazing £1.2 million bill with Parlophone, which will never be paid back because no one bought it in their records. But just incredible. The story I love about them is that they put a self released EP out in the mid nineties. It did quite well. I think they put like a few thousand and they sold out and they were quite interesting live concern and yeah they got a bit of a buzz and Parlor Phone came to us and said that we want to sign you to do a record or two and I think it was two records or something. This dates it because obviously the music industry is not like this at all now and they said that they wanted a million pounds to go to three different continents and only record their album using indigenous musicians from each of those continents.

Pylophone said, you're not doing that. But you can have three hundred grand to make a record. They were like, brilliant. That'll do. We'll have one indigenous musician then. Yeah, and then the death knell for them was when they put out the second or third album and on the press tour they told everybody not to listen to it or buy it. And then part of the folk went well, that's the end of that now. You can't do that. In the era of Oasis saying that they're you know and Blur sort of really backing their albums and doing loads of press. Exactly, it was such a juxtaposition yeah. And they broke up in 2004, so it's been 21 long years for us fans to wait to see them. I've never seen them, I'd love to see them, I'm really looking forward to hopefully getting a ticket. They rework all their songs live, they sound almost

different but strangely familiar. It's going to be a fun time, I'm really excited for it. It's the best music news of the year for me so far. And if you're wondering who they are still after all that, you might recognise they've got a song, one really famous song called Dry the Rain, which is on High Fidelity, the John Cusack movie. Yes. I think Cusack was a fan. It was in the record store, yeah. But yeah, I'm just bloody excited about it.

That's so good. That's like your, that's like pulp reforming a little bit, isn't it? It's a bit like that. Ruined it. Or tickets. Can I just have one week where you don't mention pulp, kind of like? Do you reckon at one point in my life I better go into the kitchen and put on Absolute Radio 90s and not hear pulp? Well, you only ever really hear two songs, don't you? It's only like...

Absolute Radio 90s do all of the songs. You get Common People, Maybe Babies at a push. No you get Sword, Freeze and Wiz all the time on Absolute Radio Nighties. It's a bit low. That was a bit of a forgotten single that one I think. Everyone went nuts shooting mental for it. If you really do feel like you like pop, you should just spend your time listening to Divine Comedy instead.

Same thing. It's the same thing, isn't it? I would say Divine Comedy are pretentious as fuck. There was one song where they just list authors and then do impressions of the authors. What are you fucking doing? I just think pulp are basically a combination of a poor man's, a combination of a poor man's divine comedy Arctic Monkeys and Ben and Sebastian. Do you know what? Ben and Sebastian who I also don't really like because they're too wet. I was reading about how the Ben's got made from the beloved

Palophon botherers Radiohead and that sounded like a fucking mess just getting that all together it's just sounded like they just like the apparently the the the the record company wanted them to basically record all of the singles first because they were they wanted another creep basically and it just sounded like it really very much was like touch and go that they were going to continue as a band because they were just having a shit-old time recording it and then they sort of said actually it was the best, it actually recording it was really exciting and like I didn't realize that Iron Lung

was a live performance. The album they just got Thom Yorke to re-record the vocals over the top, but it was a live performance. That's why it sounds so different to all of the other songs on the album, which is interesting. I've never really considered that before. I also find it surprising the amount of times you ask artists to do retrospectives, talk about their album and stuff, and the amount of times they say, no, that's really not what we're doing. Yeah.

Like, we did no idea. Like when, when the beat, take it back to the Beat about when they broke up, um, one of them, I mean, I've had, I mean, they've had like mental health problems. There's loads of stuff that kind of led to their kind of, um, their kind of hiatus if you like. But like one of them at one point, I remember reading saying, um, yeah, so it got a bit full on, like we didn't perform the the way we wanted, the records didn't sell that well, we were a bit under pressure and so we decided to break up. We didn't even know we were allowed to just have a break. We thought we'd get in trouble for taking six months off or whatever. We just thought this is our job now so we probably have to do it or not do it. They said if we'd had

a break we probably would have carried on. And stuff at that level, you just think, how is that even not being communicated? Yeah. Apparently the week after they found out they were owed, they owed £1.2 million for all of the recordings of their albums and stuff. EMI signed Robbie Williams for £80 million. Yeah. So it wasn't a pressing concern then? Avagoy at me then over my tax botherings they owed 120 grand to the em in tax yeah in tax they had to pay that they didn't they I think yeah I mean yeah it took them 12 years to pay it off apparently. I'll tell you what you should do mate is you write a letter to the revenue and say haven't I got me about my tax botherings have you considered the beta band if yous? Have you considered the beta band for crying out loud?

Unbelievable. Alright then. Look, that's good news. Get in touch with us if you also like the beta band and you want to... Actually, I'm not going to say that, you're not coming with me. And we'll be back in touch on Thursday, won't we Peter, with more of this. I think on Thursday we should do... We'll do batteries as normal, but we'll also start off with emails because we got 32 pages again. Yeah good point actually. We need to get through them. I've got a few good ones in here. One of them including someone coming dangerously close to doxing me so that'll be a punch.

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