The Luke and Pete Show - The dog review

Episode Date: March 6, 2023

Pete’s got a brand-new pup! On today’s episode, he “reviews” his new furry companion much to the astonishment of Luke. Elsewhere, we hear how our new passion for Lime bikes is influencing... our listeners and our mission to make Prime uncool spreads across the Atlantic…Are you helping us make Prime uncool? Email: hello@lukeandpeteshow.com or you can get in touch on Twitter or Instagram: @lukeandpeteshow. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 We're back with a look at Pete's show It is Monday the 6th of March And from Thursday's show From the 2nd of March We've promised so much in this show A review of a new dog We're going to review The musical theatre production
Starting point is 00:00:26 Bat Out of Hell, which is back in London. Yeah, you went to go see it. I forgot about that. I did, yeah. People don't review their own dog. That's just not something that happens. No, no.
Starting point is 00:00:35 Overall, four out of ten. Regret it. Yeah, indeed. Goodness. All right, so what do you want to do first? Let's do Bat Out of Hell because it's the quickest. Terrible, terrible performance.
Starting point is 00:00:48 Who plays the titular character? So, sorry, not terrible performance. Terrible play. Awful. Terrible. Wonderful cast doing wonderful things with a terrible play. Like, absolutely atrocious play. Wonderful cast.
Starting point is 00:01:03 Worth watching. Worth sitting through the first half, because the second half really picks up AK, because they've got the good songs in the back end, as of course they would do. But yeah, the cast were just getting through some absolutely tawdry shit in the first half, certainly. Tawdry.
Starting point is 00:01:22 So describe, if you wouldn't mind, in a log-lying style, a sentence or two, what it's actually about. I think it's like flash dance in the rock future. It's like Andy from The Office US, he decides he's going to create a musical theatre show when he's fired from The Office and the guy
Starting point is 00:01:47 flies through space, the lead singer and performer on a big treble clef. It's a bit that. It's like that really but using Meatloaf's music. I mean,
Starting point is 00:01:55 it's atrocious but the cast are so good you don't mind. I was sat in front of Kevin Eldon and I would very much like to wonder.
Starting point is 00:02:03 It was press night. It was opening night so it was just tickets tickets galore because they're not in the centre of town anymore
Starting point is 00:02:08 now they're in I can't remember which theatre it's theatre in like Holborn sort of way the sort of theatre we'd play
Starting point is 00:02:14 to be honest the Ramblers oh get fucked but they've clearly like had to cut down and make decisions about what
Starting point is 00:02:20 parts of the set it's a touring set effectively because they've been all around the world they've been in New Zealand so you know Adam Durrell of the set it's a touring set effectively because they've been all around the world they've been in New Zealand so you know Adam Durrell
Starting point is 00:02:28 of the offensive Boom fame yes so you know he's like a very good like touring singer
Starting point is 00:02:37 and stage actor really that's amazing I didn't know that so he was one I think he was maybe Frankie Valli
Starting point is 00:02:44 in Jersey Boys nice that's amazing and he's one, I think he was maybe Frankie Valli in Jersey Boys. Nice! That's amazing! And he's done, what else has he done? Loads of stuff. And he would definitely do this. And honestly,
Starting point is 00:02:51 the thing about it is, and you touched on something there, like, to give us our dues, Peter, last time we played London, we had to do a sold-out Sheppard's Bush Empire. I mean, it's not terrible.
Starting point is 00:03:01 It's not bad. Yeah. But when you see these guys doing it, it's proper talent, right? That's what it feels like you're in you're in you're in the presence of such obvious talent right yeah and with with adam it's funny because you know i see him quite a bit socially he's a good friend of mine and i sometimes like forget how good he is at stuff and yeah obviously you know me i'm always fucking showing off and singing and all that kind of stuff
Starting point is 00:03:25 and it's genuinely very humbling when I make the accidental mistake of like singing a line from something and then he comes in and I'm like alright
Starting point is 00:03:32 fuck you now it's basically like doing a keepy up in front of like a professional football player like why would you ever do that like it's so I totally get the
Starting point is 00:03:41 the talent I've often felt the same when I've been to see a musical but what I would say is this. I'm never going to see Bat Out of Hell the musical. No. But what I am going to tell you is that just by the names of the characters, it's obviously awful.
Starting point is 00:03:57 Oh, yeah. The lead guy's called Strat. I forgot about that. Fuck off. Raven, Falco, Jaguar. Yeah. It's not great, Falco, Jaguar. Yeah. It's not great, is it?
Starting point is 00:04:07 Valkyrie. It's basically, everyone's just, it's like the Lost Boys from Hook and they're the naughty boys who like rock music and then the girl
Starting point is 00:04:15 from the right side of the tracks falls in love with the wrong side of the track and it's just, it's just classic fare. Strat is listed as
Starting point is 00:04:22 the eccentric and forever 18-year-old leader of the lost, a group of teenagers whose DNA was frozen at 18, causing them to remain young forever. All right, Jim Steinman. Just go to the doctor if you can't get a fucking hard-on anymore. Jesus.
Starting point is 00:04:38 It's a midlife crisis of a fucking musical. I mean, that lad is very good and he's got a good body, but he's nowhere approaching 18. He's nowhere just out of, that lad is very good and he's got a good body, but he's nowhere approaching it, Dean. He's nowhere just out of his short trousers. Good God. No. I remember when it first came out, Meatloaf was doing the red carpet at the Q Awards
Starting point is 00:04:54 and I interviewed Meatloaf and the lead guy from it. God rest him, by the way. When it first launched. Yeah, yeah. Big loss. You know, these songs are just fucking incredible. Costs they are. But, yeah, I mean, just an atrocious, atrocious player. I think Stymond Roy are just fucking incredible. Costs they are. But yeah,
Starting point is 00:05:05 I mean, just an atrocious, atrocious play. I think Steinman wrote it. I think, yeah, awful, awful stuff.
Starting point is 00:05:09 You know, famously, yeah, it's a Steinman musical. You know, the famous one about people being a lot older
Starting point is 00:05:15 than they're supposed to be. The best ever one is Grease. Fucking hell. Kenickie. Jeff Conaway plays Kenickie. I think he was 28 and it was being made. And the thing is...
Starting point is 00:05:26 And he looked... It was like 80s. He looked every day of that. Yeah. That's the thing, wasn't it? Back then, like,
Starting point is 00:05:33 I don't know what it is, but like, just blocks had heavier features. They just had bigger noses and bigger ears and just bigger. It was bigger.
Starting point is 00:05:41 The longer ago it was, the older men were when they were young so Marcus always says oh yeah you can never imagine like Bruce Forsyth being young
Starting point is 00:05:49 or Michael Parkinson Savile all about but you sort of look at where's Savile come from where's Savile come from like Leonardo DiCaprio he's obviously
Starting point is 00:05:58 criticised for sorry let me make this very clear of age but considerably younger than him, women, right? Oh yeah, that'll save us a legal letter. That'll save you.
Starting point is 00:06:09 Well done. Just hold tight. I'll get there in the end. Allow me to be clear. Allow me to clarify. Yeah. And he's always kind of criticized for very much not the half the age plus seven business.
Starting point is 00:06:22 The thing about, so what you wanted to say was, Leonardo, people have noticed a passion. Don't clean up my mess. You're coming down with me, big man. I would like to separate myself and distance myself by saying,
Starting point is 00:06:33 a lot of people have noticed there's a trait that as soon as a girl hits 25, Leonardo DiCaprio suddenly doesn't appear that interested in them anymore. He would prefer a girlfriend who is very much of age,
Starting point is 00:06:44 of course, but 25 appears to be the upper limit of what he'll consider. And the meme that I enjoyed about this most recent episode that Leo's been involved in is a picture of Leonardo DiCaprio's ex-girlfriend next to a picture of his current girlfriend.
Starting point is 00:07:01 And I forget it, I'm paraphrasing it, but it was something along the lines of his ex-girlfriend saying, I'm the youngest, I'm the youngest girl to go out with her near the Caprio and someone else saying,
Starting point is 00:07:11 hold my beer. Oh, I can't. I can't. Yeah. Good stuff. Good, please listen. At least we didn't muddle our way through that one.
Starting point is 00:07:18 That's the main thing. That was very, very good broadcasting. We were clear, we were concise. It was just good stuff. It was good stuff. Two out of three are bad, as we said. Anyway, the dog. Do the dog now. Do were clear, we were concise. It was just good stuff. It was good stuff. Two out of three ain't bad, as we said. Anyway, the dog.
Starting point is 00:07:27 Do the dog now. Do the dog. Dog's arrived. It's a bit of a dream dog. I don't know what all this crate training business is all about. He goes outside. He does a wee.
Starting point is 00:07:37 He's done a couple of poos inside. Fine. But I'm not rewarding him for that. But he's pretty good. He's just sort of like cutting around the place. He's just having a nice time. I assumed he'd be screaming in the night
Starting point is 00:07:48 because I am very much a pessimist I thought he'd be screaming to be honest for Sarah anything that drowns mine screams out but yeah he's a dog
Starting point is 00:07:57 that like yeah just how old is he? just a really chill dog ten weeks I think and how's Lola dealing with it? Lola's not in the house at the moment,
Starting point is 00:08:06 but that's a job for another day. Right, so you've got to remove Lola to bring in Sammy? No, the cycle, because it's shared ownership stewardship, so it's in rotation. That's why we got a dog, because it sucks to not have a dog in the house, because dogs
Starting point is 00:08:22 are cool. So what's Lola going to do when she comes back, do you think? I could kill it, probably can't say that probably kill him probably tear his throat out probably no come on be serious it's gonna be a long road it is gonna be a long road i know that but i mean i just hope that there's some part of her doggy brain that goes he's not a threat he He's 10 weeks old. Yeah. I might not kill this one. Because she'll go for anything. Don't say this one. That implies heavily that she's killed before.
Starting point is 00:08:51 She'll be fine. She'll be fine. We'll sort it out. So Elsie had a dog. Has a dog. Sorry. Has a dog. Aspen is a bit older.
Starting point is 00:09:00 A rescue dog. And then the wife I have access to's sister could no longer look... Who's Elsie, by the way? Sorry, have I missed Elsie? Aspen. Oh, Elsie! Sorry, I didn't Elsie.
Starting point is 00:09:13 Elsie. I thought you were bringing some good call, Elsie, into the mix. The great Elsie. Elsie, yeah. I've got dog Aspen. And then the wife I have access to's sister could no longer look after her dog
Starting point is 00:09:22 because her circumstances changed. So Elsie and obviously my mother-in-law took on the younger, smaller Wicket. And they get on like a house on fire, mate. They love it. They're great. They're great guns. It's fine.
Starting point is 00:09:39 They'll be fine. I reckon she'll be quite motherly towards the little man. The big pals. The only time I see any kind of bone of contention is when Aspen steals Wicket's treat, daily treat. Right. And Wicket's too small to do anything about it. Yeah. You've got to be very careful about which dog eats first and stuff.
Starting point is 00:10:01 Right. You know what I mean? It's a whole pack thing. And if she's the leader of the pack, she's got to eat first, she's got to walk in front of everybody. So,
Starting point is 00:10:08 it's all, you know, she's got to be the, be the queen. And was that what she was like when Buckley was around? No, no,
Starting point is 00:10:16 no, not really. Well, she was, but like, only because he was an old, old dog, but yeah,
Starting point is 00:10:20 it's fascinating, the whole dynamic and we'll sort it out, but it's, yeah, that'll take some work, but this, this part seems to be a bit of a dream so i'd like to um bring a puppy into our house at some point we've got two older cats though yeah you'll be all right i mean i mean the cat i mean i think puppies what they need is uh they need a they need a raking across the face
Starting point is 00:10:40 so exactly so cats would so cats would uh you, I'd probably err on the side of a slightly larger dog, but, yeah, the cats would put it into line, I think. So, you'll keep us posted about how things are going, right? Yes, we'll do, yeah. I'll tell you where the poops have happened, where I'm sort of quite good at sort of following them around in the garden and when he does a poo or a wee, celebrating like it's the best thing ever
Starting point is 00:11:04 and giving him a bit of chicken he's eating a lot of like they say like they said they were fed because he came off a farm and they were feeding it
Starting point is 00:11:12 raw chicken it's like that's a bit wee isn't it raw chicken you mean an actual farm not a puppy farm no no no no farm farm
Starting point is 00:11:19 like with horses it's a pedigree dog right you've got the stuff you've got everything it's a pedigree dog yeah it is it's a great start but like pedigree have you seen like pedigree names so far I You've got the certificate and everything, haven't you? It's a pedigree dog, yeah. It's a great start. But like pedigree,
Starting point is 00:11:25 have you seen like pedigree names so far? I think I shared the name. Yeah, they're really long. It's really weird. It's like that what three words thing. Yeah, it's just
Starting point is 00:11:33 a unique identifier. But it's just an aristocratic thing, isn't it? You look at some names of some aristocratic people. Dogs are like that as well. They've got a lot of aristocratic bloodline,
Starting point is 00:11:43 haven't they? Yeah. It's weird, isn't it? It's weird to think they're all descended from basically the same animal because they all look so different. Yeah, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:11:50 Because you can kind of, you can get a, just the idea, I don't know how mechanically that works. Like mixing a sausage dog with a much bigger terrier or something.
Starting point is 00:12:00 I can't figure out how that comes about, how mechanically that works. So you know, an interesting piece of trivia is that if you take every human being of race, colour, creed, whatever, across the world, human beings as a species are so similar that if you transpose it across to a dog,
Starting point is 00:12:20 they'd all be exactly the same breed. Oh, really? That's fascinating. Yeah, because if you think of the diversity of appearance in dogs like an irish wolfhound we'd be like a little chihuahua or something like yeah humans would basically all fit within one singular breed and there wouldn't be much deviation even within that breed human beings so like the so like the the border terriers you've got like kind of like sandy looking ones you've got black and tan you've got different kinds of kind of colors of of of fur You've got black and tan. You've got different kinds of colors of fur, effectively, but they all look pretty the same.
Starting point is 00:12:47 Yeah. So the diversity in humans. It's fascinating. Genetically, they're very, very similar all around the world. Peter, before we go to a break, and when we come back, we'll do a couple of emails, I just really want to say hello to Gav, who got in touch and said that since we talked about it
Starting point is 00:13:01 a week or so ago, he hired his first lime bike. He's a limey boy. He's a Limey boy. He's a Limey boy now. Gav, how did he get on? He said, you can tell your paymasters at Big Lime that your propaganda show last week worked. I've had a lovely time in Hyde Park. I took two yesterday.
Starting point is 00:13:17 Love it. Two Lime bikes. Love that. Great to see. On Friday, just gone, I rode a Lime bike to the pub, had three pints of lager with two of my friends, and then
Starting point is 00:13:29 to my absolute joy, at about 10 o'clock, wandered outside the pub, about to embark upon a fairly hazardous walk through Clapham on a Friday night, and lo and behold, Peter, the self same
Starting point is 00:13:46 line bike was still parked outside and you hopped on it and took yourself home the rest is history I would like to say you may have criticised me for possibly getting ourselves in legal hot water regarding the Leonardo DiCaprio situation
Starting point is 00:14:01 but you I believe, that's over the limit, isn't it? Three pints? No, it's not. You have to just do a little test. The app gives you a test. Right. If you pass the test,
Starting point is 00:14:14 you're legally allowed to jump on the bike. I'm telling you, try it. It does it. What's the test? It's like a hazard test that you get in your driving test. Really? What, if you get on a lineback
Starting point is 00:14:23 after a certain time on a party day, it asks you to pass a test so that you get any driving test really what if you get on a line back after a certain time on a party day yeah it asks you to pass a test yep so that you're not drunk ask me if I passed
Starting point is 00:14:30 it that is fascinating well presumably because you got to hire it nah I booted the lock off I just booted the
Starting point is 00:14:35 lock off I've fucking taken it went to the man behind the bar can you do this for me
Starting point is 00:14:40 you don't want me to stay in this bar nah it was fine it was absolutely fine mate I wasn't drunk. I was perfectly sensible.
Starting point is 00:14:48 Let's have a break while we contemplate our futures. And when we come back, we'll do an email. We've got a couple here. We've got one from Josh, one from Matt. There's loads, actually. I won't read people's names out. We'll get to them eventually. But we've got a couple of emails to do.
Starting point is 00:15:00 And we'll do them the other side of this. We're back with a Luke and Pete show. We did a ramble show a few days ago about, well, it was last week, wasn't it?
Starting point is 00:15:10 About Eric Cantona, Luke, about the Kung Fu King. Yeah, I wasn't on it. No, and I, so I'm bringing you
Starting point is 00:15:16 into the fold, and I said that I thought It was my idea to do it, by the way. Okay. I thought it was a really good idea. Did you enjoy it? Cool.
Starting point is 00:15:23 It was alright, yeah. That was a rigging endorsement. Day after Wednesday, I was a really good idea. Did you enjoy it? Cool. It was alright, yeah. That was a rigging endorsement. Day after Wednesday. I was a bit sad. Could have done without recording. No, we were in. We did it. And I thought that... I seem to recall that the Eric Cantona Kung Fu Kick
Starting point is 00:15:38 was featured on the cover of the Super 4 Animals single for The Man Don't Give a Fuck. Incorrect, yeah. Incorrect. It was Robin Friday. Correct, yeah. But somebody made a point, Joe, on Twitter, thank you, Joe, if you're listening, that it was actually Ash with the song Kung Fu,
Starting point is 00:15:54 which makes so much more sense. So you're basically rehashing old mistakes on a completely different show now, are you? Tidy and all. I just think you'd enjoy talking about Ash remember when Tim Wheeler
Starting point is 00:16:06 went all sexy because he was like a bit of a spunk wasn't he he was a bit of an icon for the young indie ladies if you'll allow me
Starting point is 00:16:14 the name drop I've met Tim Wheeler a number of times he's good friends with a friend of mine and he's a lovely man
Starting point is 00:16:23 he's a lovely man I saw him at... I interviewed him at Waila White Festival. And then I was on my way to Tokyo. Tokyo. And I'd hurt my back. And I never hurt my back because I'm tiny. Compact.
Starting point is 00:16:35 And just before the interview with Tim Wheeler and Ash. And I was just lying on the floor. He's going, we could do it on the floor if you want. We could do the interview on the floor. He's a very nice, softly spoken Northern Irish fella, isn't he? And then I saw him at Heath the floor. He's going, we can do it on the floor if you want. We can do the interview on the floor. He's a very nice, softly spoken Northern Irish fella, isn't he? And then I saw him at Heathrow,
Starting point is 00:16:48 and he's like, is your back all right? And I was like, yes. Why was he speaking like that? I don't know. Do it again. It's only four words.
Starting point is 00:16:56 Do it again. You can do it. Is your back all right? That was much better. Is that better? That was much better. Yeah, well done. Is your back all right?
Starting point is 00:17:04 Yeah. Why are you making that face with your mouth? It's for Northern Ireland. Look, you're in disguise. But he's, yeah, he lives in New York, I believe. Yeah, I wouldn't doubt it. Last time I saw him was at Kentish Town Forum. I like those kind of, I like those people who kind of like live,
Starting point is 00:17:24 like the people you don't expect, like Jarvis Cocker living in France. It's kind of like... People you don't expect to live... Like Jarvis Cocker living in France. It's kind of like... It's quite romantic, I think. Pete Doherty lives in France, I believe, as well. He certainly did. Yeah, yeah. Jarvis Cocker's living in France
Starting point is 00:17:35 because he's very affected, isn't he? He probably wakes up every morning thinking, what would Jarvis Cocker do now? What would Jarvis Cocker do at this moment? Yeah. Not like us. We're real, baby. For a six music documentary about Sheffield.
Starting point is 00:17:50 Yeah. That is how he speaks. That's a pretty good impression. Hello at LukeandPeachShow.com is the email address. We love it when you email in. We've had so many good ones recently. We'll try and get through a couple of them now. Do you want to do some Prime-related stuff now um do you want to do um some prime
Starting point is 00:18:05 related stuff or do you want to do something else yeah let's do it let's do the prime okay so prime is the drink that we tried to make uncool i think we've succeeded i think so it's good to know that some of our listeners are helping us with that and chief among them is our friend josh who says hi there guys i inadvertently fulfilled a request by mr donelson in the energy drink section of my local market yesterday. And I think I should probably point out that it seems to me that you can essentially get prime energy drink wherever you want in America.
Starting point is 00:18:32 It's just in the UK, it's quite tough to get hold of. Of course, our friend Noah sent us some, didn't he? Yeah, because I think Sainsbury's the place they get these to as the kids, but they line up around the block at like, you know, 10 a.m. when it all comes in and run in and take it. Josh goes on to say, the Wi-Fi I have access to and I was shopping when I stumbled upon the Prime Energy drinks. I
Starting point is 00:18:50 grabbed a can to see what the caffeine content is, but alas, my poor eyesight left me unable to make it out. Thinking quickly, I grabbed my phone, opened the camera app and just zoomed in. Success! 200mg of caffeine I exclaimed to my missus. It was at this point, three young gentlemen around the corner
Starting point is 00:19:05 glanced at me and acknowledged the product with some interest, but they moved on without taking any prime from the shelf. Done and dusted, Peter. I have the Northwest Territory covered. Best wishes to you both from Eugene, Oregon. Josh from Eugene, Oregon. You are doing the Lord's work. That is very, very enjoyable.
Starting point is 00:19:20 A man who is finding it hard. Lately, I can't read anything on sides of stuff. I think I'm becoming more long-sighted as I get older. I think that's how it's supposed to go. When's your next prescription? I got one a little while ago, and then I got glasses made up to that prescription, and it was just all out of whack,
Starting point is 00:19:35 and I was like, it's hard to accuse an optician of getting your prescription wrong when it's literally, they're relying on you reporting what you can say. Sir, this is a butcher. Yeah, it's true, isn't it? Because they're relying on you reporting what you can say. Sir, this is a butcher. Yeah, it's true, isn't it? Because they're only going on your feedback.
Starting point is 00:19:50 Yeah, and some of them are so similar, you're like, but it was so far out. I was like, this ain't right. This ain't right, baby. My granddad was in the army for a long time, essentially staying in there because he used to pay a guy a few quid to give him the eye chart before his exam.
Starting point is 00:20:07 Oh, right. Okay, yeah, yeah. He's driving like, he's driving like trucks. He's building bridges in Korea. He's doing all sorts of stuff and he's basically blind in one eye
Starting point is 00:20:19 and always has been. Yeah, nice. Yeah. I enjoy that. There's no harm done. There's no harm done, isn't there? No, I'm good. Apart from the people
Starting point is 00:20:25 who died in the war apart from that bridge that collapsed yeah so that's from Josh thank you very much for that Josh oh speaking of Prime
Starting point is 00:20:33 by the way I should probably point out that I'm not sure if you saw it but last Sunday at time of record Jake Paul so the younger brother
Starting point is 00:20:41 of Logan Paul of Prime Drinks fame fought Tommy Fury and he got beat which I was bloody delighted about was it because I wasn't sure
Starting point is 00:20:53 about the veracity about the how that whole boxing thing I thought it was all just bullshit I thought it was all just exhibition kind of like if you indulge me
Starting point is 00:21:01 for a couple of minutes I'll do it as quick as I can it's very interesting because it's essentially ripped the boxing community in half. Okay. So people, some people are saying, so Carl
Starting point is 00:21:11 Froch got a lot of press because he was a pundit on the fight on Sunday and he hates Jake Paul. And he hates Jake Paul because he's, you know, a pretty objectionable character, which is fair enough. And the other reason he hates him is because he's a boxer from the age of like four and has dedicated his whole life to the sport,
Starting point is 00:21:27 was a really good amateur, won several world titles, and obviously has issue with the idea that someone like Jake Pulley who's come along can use his massive social media presence to say, oh, if you were still fighting now, I'd easily beat you. And it's just complete fucking nonsense, right?
Starting point is 00:21:41 And so they don't, boxers don't like that. They don't like it when other people haven't really gone through the hardships and the sacrifice that they've gone through and start calling them out,
Starting point is 00:21:50 particularly after they've retired. It just seems quite bad form. It would be like me sort of having a, not me, but like somebody who had a following. Someone who had a following.
Starting point is 00:21:58 Sort of going, playing in a Sunday, playing in a Sunday league team and being quite good and knocking the goals in for fun stretching my imagination this
Starting point is 00:22:08 having me too mate I've seen me play more than you have and sort of having like a social media kind of like team sort of pretending
Starting point is 00:22:17 that it was like the Premier League do you know what I mean and me also taking loads of money in as well getting paid sponsorships and stuff
Starting point is 00:22:24 and getting paid like millions of pounds playing amateur football like shit like just stupid football yeah but you also add on top of that that basically you're putting your life on the line every time you do it yes so there's a lot of safety involved so there's that side of the fence where people don't appreciate it they don't respect it and also to be fair that jake pa Paul hasn't really, until he fought Tommy Fury, who is actually a boxer, although not a very good one, because he's young and he's a novice.
Starting point is 00:22:52 That's the first time he's actually fought a boxer. Right? Yeah, and the rest has just been... Well, it's like old MMA retired people and no one would respect because you've got respect anyway, does it? They're not really boxers. And so, and then a lot of people like Steve Bunce I think
Starting point is 00:23:06 who's the you know fantastic boxing expert he's kind of he may have changed his opinion now but the last time I heard him speak about it he was saying
Starting point is 00:23:14 well actually you know he's doing the right things he's taking it seriously he's working really hard he's in good shape he's got some fundamentals he's a novice fighter a lot of the
Starting point is 00:23:22 shit is because he's making loads of money because he's got a massive following and even though he's a novice doing an eight round fight which doesn't mean anything he's getting paid world championship money and selling out pay-per-views and people don't like that and we were talking about this before we were talking about jay paul before because like i was saying that that he is a young man who looks after himself and he's fit and you know and he may not be there genetically but he's got all of the resources in the world to make himself into the best fighter he can be.
Starting point is 00:23:46 And he's kind of doing that. Yeah. And are we really going to start fucking now, 2023, start saying, well, I'm not really happy about this trash talking. I mean, where have you been for the last fucking hundred years? You know, there's a lot that's going on in boxing in that way. And so I don't think you should be taking that seriously.
Starting point is 00:24:01 But what's really interesting is that at some point, and it started to arguably happen on Sunday, what Jake Paul did, and by no means is he the first boxer to do this, if you want to call him a boxer, which I think you should do now. He's basically, Mouse just got him into a lot of trouble. So every time he's fought like a 47-year-old Anderson Silva, who was a great MMA fighter, but he's not a boxer and never has been, and is also an older man, he's talking.
Starting point is 00:24:24 Well, this is who I want next. This is what I'm going to do. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that. And ultimately, even though there's an amazing video on YouTube of Eddie Hearn doing a one-to-one interview with him,
Starting point is 00:24:34 just essentially telling him exactly how it is with all the experience as a boxing pro, just saying, Jake, you're an average fighter. You're average. This is what this means. You did this. You've done that.
Starting point is 00:24:42 Fine. Good for you, but you're average. And for you, average is good because of where you've come from, but you're average. This is what this means. You did this, you've done that. Fine, good for you, but you're average. And for you, average is good because of where you've come from, but you're average. That kind of stuff's been going on. But the path that Jake pulls on, he can't help but at some point get himself into a position where it's almost a bit like,
Starting point is 00:24:57 that's me. I've put you under and I got here. Because he's going to, one day. He's working himself into a shoot, brother. He is. As Sir Hulcogin said. got here because he's going to
Starting point is 00:25:01 one day he's working himself into a shoot brother he is and yeah and the problem is
Starting point is 00:25:08 it's not a game to be fucking messing around with because if he ends up looking out of his ear hole because his
Starting point is 00:25:13 mouth's got him into trouble it's not an exaggeration to say his life could be ended literally by that so he
Starting point is 00:25:20 has to be very careful about what he does and his promoters and his managers have to look after him
Starting point is 00:25:24 because he fought Tommy Fury. It's quite a nicely matched fight. Tommy Fury is much better than him and beat him. But he's not the first kid of his age to still be a novice boxer. And if he takes it really seriously, it could be quite an interesting story.
Starting point is 00:25:36 And if I'm going to give him any credit at all, I actually think he's a bit of a fucking dickhead. But if I was going to give him credit at all, I would say straight after the fight on all his social channels
Starting point is 00:25:44 and in the press conference, he said, beaten by the better guy. Fair enough. I'll be back. I would say straight after the fight on all his social channels and in the press conference he said beaten by the better guy fair enough I'll be back I'm taking it on the chin I feel bad I've let my team down but it's all part of it
Starting point is 00:25:51 I'm still in the best sport in the world and I want to do it again and that's kind of really what you'd like to hear from someone I mean whether it comes to pass or not
Starting point is 00:25:58 it remains to be seen but it's quite a nice I think it's quite a magnanimous way to look at it for a guy who's really essentially just known for his arrogance. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway.
Starting point is 00:26:07 And his brother's very, very good at wrestling. Is he? Oh, he's incredible. He's a very handsome man, Logan Paul, I think. No. I do. I think he looks great. He's got a cartoon feature. You are odd in your mind. Yeah. Look at what I look like, though.
Starting point is 00:26:23 I know, but it's just like he's so kind of long in the face. It's a long face. It's so kind of like. It is a long face. It is a long face.
Starting point is 00:26:31 So he's good at wrestling. Is he going to become a wrestler? So he's got a WWE contract. He's wrestled three times I
Starting point is 00:26:36 think and he sort of turns up and he is for someone who you know is not a wrestler. And the WWE have history of bringing people
Starting point is 00:26:47 in like this to wrestle in the old matches he's come in and he's done the best any of them have ever done and actually
Starting point is 00:26:53 he's put on shows that are like Mark Hens has been watching wrestling since he was a kid and you know he's the horse of wrestling and he's the expert
Starting point is 00:27:01 and he said he's my favourite wrestler I can't stand his fucking shit I can't stand his life but you know he's the expert and he said he's my favourite wrestler I can't you know can't stand his fucking shit can't stand his life but you know he's fucking brilliant
Starting point is 00:27:10 so they've obviously got like genetically aptitude for some physical yeah he looks like a wrestler he wrestles like a wrestler
Starting point is 00:27:18 he does really dangerous spots like a fucking proper top tier WWE wrestler and he'll only wrestle two or three times a year but it's like
Starting point is 00:27:26 the shows he puts on are just incredible and it's and it's annoying because like wrestlers will always tell you it's the same with Jake in the boxing world
Starting point is 00:27:34 you would imagine like he's just a fucking tourist and he'll get found out and he'll break his fucking meniscus or something you know and he'll
Starting point is 00:27:41 you know he hasn't put in the hours and all that stuff but it's all very like fucking if you've ever played the game. Because the guy is fucking doing it. That's what I find with Jake. How much of this criticism is legitimate criticism?
Starting point is 00:27:52 Like, how much is it, actually, do you know what? You're not actually very happy about the fact that a guy's gone straight to the top of the sport because he's got such a big following and earning serious money straight away because you had to come up the hard way. There's someone said that Steven Gerrard football thing a while back, wasn't it? When he said,
Starting point is 00:28:07 oh, so-and-so needs to understand that, you know, I've got three pins in my leg because you've got to fucking work hard and get injured to play football. It's like, well, you shouldn't be of that attitude.
Starting point is 00:28:15 You should be of the attitude of this was hard for me so I'd like to make it easier for the younger generation. Now, it doesn't really apply to Jake Paul because obviously he's a fucking belligerent fucking idiot
Starting point is 00:28:24 but he is still getting in the ring with a member of the Fury family, a proper fighting family. And he actually dropped Tommy Fury at one point in the fight. I mean, he lost the fight. He dropped him. Yeah, so he's obviously got something happening. So I think, at the very
Starting point is 00:28:39 least, it's an interesting thing. But it was a real match then? Like, no, it wasn't like, it didn't look like a proper fight.'t it was a proper licensed fight with three independent judges a proper corner a pay-per-view event it was a proper fight um right okay and and and i do also think of the backdrop to all of this is that boxing is itself very insecure about wwe about uf UFC, about the market share as they perceive it to be taken. Because they're like the sport that can trace themselves back to the 1700s. They're the oldest sport in the world.
Starting point is 00:29:12 They're the noble art, the sweet science. And they don't make it easy on themselves because they make stupid decisions as an organisation. Don't let Mayweather do all those exhibitions then. Exactly. It's fucking crazy. If it's that fucking sacrosanct. Yeah. Anyway, we should go
Starting point is 00:29:26 because we've run out of time. We've got sidetracked again, but we will do some of these emails again. We'll do some more of them next time we see you guys. So do stick with us. Thank you very much
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