The Luke and Pete Show - The Impressive Chest of a Guatemalan Man

Episode Date: August 13, 2026

The UK is experiencing its millionth heatwave of the summer and the world is on fire but at least a lot of shareholder value is being generated.On today’s show, Pete regales us with stories from a day out in London which took him to the Tate Modern and into contact with the work of an avant-garde Guatemalan artist. He just couldn’t take his eyes off one particular installation.Plus, Gary Vee’s acting weirder than ever and Bob Dylan is incomprehensible at his present-day gigs.Send us your latest stories, questions and comments here: [e-mail] Luke and Pete Show is the sometimes ridiculous, always funny podcast with Luke Moore and Pete Donaldson: two men who have time on their hands and a good idea of how to waste it. Subscribe to get your comedy podcast fix every Monday and Thursday. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

To the Luca Beach Show, it is Thursday the 13th of August minus Beat Donaldson. I'm joining Mr. Lucie Miller. Aha! Uh-huh! Looky, have you got a flight case behind you, full of, like, records? Have you been crate digging? To your right, over your right shoulder. Oh, that's my seven-inch collection.

Oh, yes, please. Lukey's seven inches. Some of them are actually up on the wall now. Oh, lovely. I'm in the top bedroom, mate. So this is kind of supposed to be the music room, but it's 465 degrees at the moment. So not much record playing going on. We're heading.

I wouldn't even trust your vinyl in this heat, to be honest. I would put them in the freeze of a crying out loud. The vinyl can melt in hot temperatures, but I'm sure you'll be all right in that there, London. I run a little aircon unit in here. Do you? Well, we're running into another heat wave, aren't we? How many heat waves? We are. Fifth of the summer.

Fifth of the summer. But it seems like the rules of what makes heat wave and what doesn't. It seems quite flexible and fluid, possibly because it's melted. Do you not think that they're just adding in another heat wave for a laugh, just to really make a point? No, because it just is really hot. Yeah. It's just, it's just so hot all the time.

I looked at the, I looked back on the weather, data and the last time it rained where I live was June the 5th we had like five minutes of rain I think the start of last week and it was like

we didn't even get that it just we just got five minutes and it stopped and I was like what what the hell is going on I am currently can you see how high can I sort of go up in my chair for you to know that I've got

you wearing an Elvis jumpsuit Well, I'm wearing a shirt, a little sort of North Korean kind of jumpsuit sort of thing. It's actually inside out. That's a nightmare, isn't it? North Korean? What? I'm actually, absolutely. That's the sexiest thing I've seen you wear since that barrel.

I'm like, fuck it. It's coming off for those of you watching the YouTube. Take it off. Take it off. Take it off. Let's put it back on again. It's very heavy. The world is quite simply, the world is quite simply burning.

It is burning. Large sections of it are on fire. No one is going to do anything about it. We're just going to have to carry on as we are. It is absolutely, I personally believe it is absolutely bananas how hot it's been this summer. It's been crazy. It's been the hottest, driest June and the hottest driest July. And the July temperature stuff hasn't even, it's not even been close.

It's been really, really bad. Well, you know, as you said, we're not going to do anything about. it, we're just going to have to deal with the... We're not even dealing with the effects. You know what we've not even got a plan for dealing with the effects. We're just going, oh, well, you know, it's hot, hot in it? Oh, it's hot. And I think we were speaking to somebody who works in broadcast media,

and they said that they work with weather people and they don't really talk about the bigger issues that feed into weather. They just sort of go, it's hot today, isn't it? It's like, yeah, it's... Isn't that funny? Because the unique position, the BBC's is in it? I presume they're too

frightened to say what's causing it, right? Because it's become a political football. Yeah, which is not their fault, not anyone's, but it just seems weird that they would, it just seems demented that they would not even mention the fact that this has all been caused

you know, by a certain thing. Well, but you are failing to realize, or failing to accept the chance that, you know, 99% of climate scientists agree that man-made climate change is causing the earth to get hotter. But there are a few plucky scientists who are funded by fossil fuel companies who say it might not be the case. So I think you just need to make sure that you're teaching both sides of the argument. Exactly. Yeah.

Because if you bring someone from one side, yeah, exactly. just to be clear, the world's leading minds in massive numbers in this area on that side and a couple of people exclusively funded by fossil fuel companies on the other side. Let's just teach the balance. Or just mad. Or just of an age where being contrary is a lifestyle choice, is a USP. That's a good point, actually. Just being a shit is, you know, people look at you.

If you, you know, strip naked and wanking in the middle of a, a tamer. square people look at you don't they like so if you're going to do that sort of thing people are going to take notice it's a laugh is a laugh the attention economy just at the time we're recording this the exact time we're recording this there's an area of roughly four times the size of

Paris on fire in France yeah do it in Paris do it to Paris do it people should do it there can I just can I also just can I also just can I also just point out as well to be balanced burn off some of that stink

There's a lot of shareholder value being generated So can we think about that Exactly, exactly Can we monetise the fire somehow? Can we do something with the fire? Can we do a live stream? Can we throw back in the fire? I am partly annoyed

I'm partly just annoyed because it's just hot all the time Hmm Hmm That's that's basically making me annoyed I thought you're going to give us the, you had the partly, and then I thought you were going to give us what, no, no, I think, I think I'm trying to be righteously indignant and feel like I'm on

the right side of history, but I need to be honest and let you know that a lot of it is coming from a place where I'm just fed up of it. I'm just, you're just hot. It's emotionally left. No. Do Adonison take your top off. I see myself my top off and then I'll feel worse. Hey, I was in, we had a weekend, uh, well, not a weekend, an evening.

away because Sarah's brother was looking after the Littland and we've only done it once before and we had a colossal argument so this one was better because it was not crossal argument. Tell us about the first one then you say that, we want to hear about the first one. I think I might have mentioned it on the show. It was all down to me

for getting to lock a car and running away from my responsibilities in that area but this one was good and I had a couple of hours basically spare while Sarah worked and I was just just exploring London I hadn't brought enough t-shirts

I bought myself an I love London t-shirt so I was wearing that to the tape What part of London were you in? I was in South Bank I stayed in the container the sea container hotel It used to be the Mondraud. Oh it's nice that one

Yeah it is really nice They've spent a lot of money I don't know how they managed to get them because I'm a man who also owns one They've spent a lot of money on on oldie-timey divers reproductions of divers masks. The cocktail bar is really nice though.

It is, yeah. The one on the roof less saw on a Saturday night because it's just full of absolute towels. Just absolutely. I'm trying to give a rude word. What's useless and limp towels? Towels are used to say. Wet wipes.

Wet wipes. But yeah, just a lot of people just playing really loud, just such generic dance music. I wouldn't mind if it was something that, you know, was in the hit parade. But it's just that. Like what? Charlesish Gambino. Childish Gambino.

This is America. Just play that over and over again. And when the gun goes off, put the volume really high up. Yeah, it's quite a bit. And yeah, it's just a lot of noise. Anyway, wandered around, just went the Tate. And I was like, I'll just go to Tate for half an hour. See what's going on there.

because I've not been to date for probably a decade. And I spent about three hours in there. It's fucking brilliant, isn't it? The tape is fucking brilliant, isn't it? It's... It is good. I'm trying to things that enchanted me. I didn't go to any of the paid stuff.

I didn't go to the stuff that would be useful in conversation, like the... Oh, who's that Mexican lady with the eyebrows? Spanish, Mexican? Fridic Carlo. Mexican. She's... there was one of them exhibitions

and there was a Trisianman exhibition but I didn't spend any money doing that I just I just tutled around the free stuff and watched a video all about how they restored the Marilyn Monroe Andy Warhol pictures and stuff turns out just a lot of thin gel we used a lot of thin gel

so just watched a lot of like middle class women cradling these little squares of thin gel popping them on the on the picture and then lift them up very quickly in a well-orchestrated kind of order. And they've got like a head sort of chemical sort of scientist that works for the tape that maintains all of the,

you know, make sure that the paintings are really, to use the expression, pop art, popping on the wall. And she, and they showed before and after picture, it was imperceptible to anything really. Was it really? Yeah. Because it was, it's a relatively modern painting, I suppose, isn't it? You sort of said, with those oldie timey paintings, she didn't use those words,

she probably used better words than that. When you clean a painting, you're getting rid of all of the varnish and all of like the years and years of, you know, biff to smoke and stuff and like all that stuff comes off. And it's a real transformation. But this is like, it's been protected since it was made. So it's not going to pop massively. But you can, I can.

She basically said, I can tell. I think the gels were worth it. I should keep my job. So it's just a bit of that, really. done also so it lasts longer and stuff as well? I guess so, but it's quite, it's, in it interesting, you're sort of turn, like, you turn around the corner in the tear and there's a lot of stuff you've obviously never seen before and then you'll just turn around the corner and there's like,

there's that and you're like, oh fuck, that, that's, that's, that's a big lad. Or you'll turn on the corner and there'll be just a mondrian hanging out with all of the other pens and stuff. I love that. That's exciting, isn't it? It's pretty exciting. In the words of art group. It's exciting to see something that like a great painter actually painted, even though.

I mean, you see the brushstrokes of like a, like a Matisse or something. It's amazing. I, speaking of that restoration thing, I remember a while ago reading about the Last Supper, Da Vinci's the Last Supper. Yeah. Right? And so I didn't know this, but I kind of looked it up because I was interested in it. I think I caught some of it on TV or something.

Da Vinci's The Last Supper has gone through so many restorations that like there's a, effectively nothing left of the original fresh going out. It's quite interesting, right? Apparently, because he... Dobbed painting, the put paint in as well as taking it out. Well, because, yeah, because he painted it on a dry stone wall. So basically, I think within like a year when it was painted in like in the late 15th century, it was starting to decay instantly, basically.

Yeah. So it's had to be continually restored. And then the whole... Is it on the wall of a convent or certainly some kind of religious building, like a church or something? That was bombed quite badly in the Second World War, which meant that then there was no ability to temperature control it or keep it away from the elements for like absolutely ages. Right. And now it's in like a temperature controlled kind of state and it's being looked after. But essentially none of it is the original.

The most recent restoration took like 20 odd years to do it. and it's a bit of a ship of Theseus really It's kind of an interesting philosophical Like understand Because you know the ship of Theseus about Yeah is it the original ship or not If you replace a Placerger's broom You know

Yeah Yeah Triggers brew We are a We are a We're a A We're a horse's a podcast

True So you remember when Trigger fell through When Delbois fell through the bar Talking to Trigger Yeah That was like the bomb If that bar Had each panel of wood

replaced every time someone had a beer Wouldn't it be the original bar Like my point The point being that, like, of course I understand that, you know, people are excited to see the last supper. But it's not the last supper. It's not the last supper. It's generations of people restoring and rain and all that stuff that's gone on top of it, really.

And restoration has intentions. Restoration has politics, Luke. There was a, there was a video, there was a modern artiste who was, was a Guatemalan fella, Got a Marlon Chapp who He was His video artwork was him in a basement

We did a few different things They were arresting and interesting And you know It's one of those things that were A lot of these things are like Okay, you've done that And I feel sometimes They wreck on the intention

That's where the artist just goes This is an arresting image This is an interesting image You want to see in anything like this before What can I make it about? I don't do genuinely believe that. Why, do you reckon they backfitted it? Yeah, so the man, he's in a basement with all of his,

you can tell they're kind of art students and stuff, because they're pretty in middle class. Well, and there's any, as he, this guy is wearing basically the clothing that Johnny Borell would wear early rays, like white, ever-so-white sort of denim trousers and a sort of white shirt. Denham trousers, or as normal people call them, jeans. Quite simply, jeans. Denim.

No, no, but you wouldn't say white. You've got to say white denim, haven't you? You can't say white jeans. White jeans. I don't think, no, I think they're cut differently. It's a completely different product. Boom. All right, we'll stick with denim trousers.

You're thinking about you, you're wavering with your lips on top of your little drink, thinking, should I bother? Should I bother arguing on this one? A pair of white jeans. A pair of white jeans is fine. That's what people would say, but you carry on. Okay, right, fine. Some white.

denim trousers and he's black shoes and he's in a basement with and there and basically there's like arranged around are some beds. It looks a little bit medical because everyone's wearing white sort of white sort of belly tops and stuff

and the beds are like all the time he kind of wartime stretcher looking things and the the bed where the mattress would be, no mattresses the bed with the mattresses would be are kind of like this fine sort of mesh as you'd see in the war

you know limited resources and all that stuff so there's no support really but just limited like meshed sort of thing anyway he his buddy his chum has got like a white sorry a clear glass sort of tray and he's got a

black roller and a load of Indian ink all over the all of this glass and he and the big this Guatemala man is massive big old fella and he gets the ink and he rubs it all over the glass and then he what does he do now?

Yeah, he gets the roller and rolls it all over the wire mesh on the bed and then he gets his some of the assistants, some of the arts tunes and he just basically mushes their face on it. And so they've got this sort of black mesh all over their face and boob and then he takes his top off and, he is an astonishingly built man. A bit, big, like, tight white trousers, but the biggest belly you've ever seen in your life

and the, and, and, and, and the most, the most humongous boobies you've ever seen in your life. And then he lies down on the, on the mesh. And then he stands up, and then he's mushing it all of, and so he's covered in the mesh stuff. Why are they doing this? Um, it's to show, um, how, uh, how permanent, uh, abuse in a hospital saying can be.

because it sort of the abuse stays with you like ink and how did you come away from it thinking that guy's got some lovely big boobies absolutely absolutely but like

imagine the biggest male boobie you've ever seen in your life are they the only reason you're telling the story yes well the other the other piece he had is he's basically in a in a lay by painting a man blue and it's like that's

take your top off mate take your top off for crying a lot Let the dogs are a rabbit. I was like, quite a mile and artie people. They ate well-d-law. I was like, fucking hell, this guy's massive. I've just never seen such big old busters on a man.

And it was quite distracting from what his, you know, what his point was. Here he is. Here's the little scamp. Yeah, I mean. I mean, that was 2012. So, you know, plenty of... Time hasn't been kind. Well, time's continued on the same trajectory.

And, you know, I'm not fat shaming. It's just a, that's what I, that's, I'm, look, I'm in, I'm in a, I'm in a gallery. I'm allowed to look at what I want. I'm allowed to take it. I know what you're thinking as well. You're thinking, I could, I could get involved with this. Yeah. No, no, not cynically, not cynically, just genuinely, just genuinely, just, not cynically, just genuinely like, that, this looks like a lot of fun.

Yeah, and like I say, you are in, you know, in many ways unwittingly, but you are a bit of a performance artist yourself. Yeah, piss artist, mate And I think I like the idea of you watching this I know you said that Sarah wasn't around But I like the idea of you edging closer and closer to the exhibition And grabbing your hand pulling your back Sorry exhibition Can you do it under a nom de plume please

You're undoing the shirt And thinking this is a bit of me this All inky I mean to be fair I had to spray and mount a load of paper together today and that's everywhere now. So I would need another apology. I would need apology cabin too.

I'd need Downing Street North. I'd need an extra place to be. I know what you apologised for last summer. Yes, exactly. Maybe when this horrific summer ends, I can flip the wee paddling pool upside down and that can be my apology cabin too. It's fun, isn't it?

Because the kind of people who would like do a big protest piece of art, about the current climate crisis that we're all living through, this kind of essential living hell that we're going through. They would do that and no one would notice. No one would care. No. They do a big protest piece of art. They'd pour oil all over themselves.

Someone had set themselves on fire. It would run at the barbican for four weeks. Yeah. And the Guardian, they'd give us four stars. And everyone would move on. Yeah. We'd get back in our cars and crack on. You know what?

I don't like about art, Prosecco. Whenever there's a gallery opening or a new exhibition, there's always just posh bit with their little glasses of fucking Prusco, I shall not have it.

I don't think I've ever been to a gallery opening. You ever been to a gallery opening where someone's not, it's probably would go it was. It's not my scene. I think people would think people would think of me

as being very out of place in that kind of scene. Okay, yeah. I can bluff my way through any kind of conversation, but I think in that situation I'm too I think I'm probably too

kind of obnoxious Right I like that you were looking for that word I almost said gregarious But I thought that makes me sound better than I am So I went with obnoxious I do I do

I very much enjoy going to galleries and stuff I love I like I particularly like kind of Renaissance art older stuff and there was a really good teaching exhibition in the National Portrait Gather a few years ago.

I mean, it genuinely was very effective. So good. Like, really, really good. And I love that kind of part. I'm not really as much into the kind of the modern stuff, I don't think. It's more just like mounting techniques. Because like some of them like, I'd seen it before, we'd, I'm sure I'd seen it the tip before, like years ago.

They got just big fucking girder coming out the wall. And I'm thinking, how have they mounted that? So it looks absolutely perfect. A lot of it is where they put it, isn't it? Yeah, it's just having that amount of space. I think do something, whatever you do, like, like, something normal big is like, fuck. Do you know what I mean?

Like just seeing something that's just a space that is just dedicated to art and it doesn't really matter what the art is, just to see it at such scale and with such kind of, verbossity is because such kind of, such audacity to have something at that scale. You're like, that's art. because it's big.

I loved, one thing I did love is, I remember back in the day, I was 15 years ago or so, I went to the tape modern and saw I-Way-Way's sunflower seeds. Did you see that? No, I didn't know. Is that just pictures made with sunflower seeds or just a lot of sunflower seeds?

It was a hundred million, I think, individually painted porcelain sunflower seeds. Good God. That he put all across the floor of the turbine horse. the tape modern. Yeah. I mean, it's fucking incredible to see. It was amazing to look at.

You know, it's really, and obviously I guess the themes are pretty, um, a pretty obvious, right? Because, yeah, sunflower seeds are, uh, you know, are a kind of,

Chinese Communist Party, um, propaganda, kind of tall and obviously a hundred million, I suppose represents all the people in China and porcelain Chinese kind of, porcelain is a, it was a thing.

It was cool, man. And obviously, he is an amazing, he's obviously a dissident, isn't he, uses art to kind of protest the Chinese regime, which is an amazing,

thing. I respect it a great deal. It's more one of those things where it's like when those kind of like autas kind of do their thing, you know for a fact he's painted three of them and the rest has just been his team. Well, they have teams, don't they? Yeah. But Tishan had a team, mate. Yeah. Teeshan had a whole team of

young lads doing this thing. But one thing it was fascinating about that Sunflower Seas exhibition, by the way, is that 100 kilograms of them were sold? Right. Okay. Yeah. For like a lot of money. Like half a million dollars. And I remember thinking,

who's buying that and what they're doing with them? Well, it's just a bit like, it's like the old, um, Banksy 10-pound notes, won't it? With Princess Deanna on.

But he's like, circulation, didn't he? No, I think he saw, that, there was loads on people's walls. He definitely sold some of them.

But I think a lot of them also got put in circulation. Right. Which is a part of the project. Mm. Okay. But the, but the, I guess the sunflower seas,

I kind of thought they should have sold them individually at, um, at the tape shop or something. Mm. But I, Wayway, didn't want that, perhaps. That would feel a bit, yeah, especially if you're raised against the, well, I guess if you're raising against the Communist Party, you would want to be a capitalist wouldn't you?

That's a great thing about it, isn't it? You position yourself against that, like, you make as much money as you can. It's a protest. Yeah, NFTs. You can't even own one of the parcel of ones. They're all NFTs. Fuck you. Do you see that Gary Vee, NFT clip is doing the rounds?

Gary V, you know, is he the bloc who, uh, Gary Vee, you know, is the fucking weirdest thing, mate. NFT. Is he the guy in the eyebrows? Gary V. Yes, I know Gary V. Yes, no, I didn't see it, but I'm fully with the fella. Sometimes I just need the faces in my mind.

It's, he's basically just trying to, he's a man of a certain age, right? And he's pretty successful. I think he's like a multi, multi-millionaire, right? And he's one of these types that people... He was a major NFT guy, wasn't he? Yeah, if I'm like him, I'll be rich as well. I'm those kind of guys. And he does nothing to disavow people of that kind of notion.

Yeah. And he's got the couple of young lads on this podcast. saying, oh, you know, what NFTs are you really excited about at the moment? And he's going like, he's going like, I mean, I'll do a vague impression of it. I can't exactly remember what he's saying, but it's along the lines of, I really like angry termite at the moment. I think angry termite's going to have a big summer. I love gentle giant.

Gentle Giant's going to get a big, big glow up. And if you're looking to get involved, get involved with angry unicorn. It's just fucking bananas. It sounds like a turf accountant at the horses. It's the kind of conversation that you see every so often and you think, even 10 years ago, this is another language entirely. If you transplanted that conversation 10 years ago, no one would know what he was talking about.

Well, he's the guy who does V friends. I'm looking at his, most of his YouTube interviews in the last few months have been, NFTs are still alive, actually. NFTs are still alive. He says a lot of that, with the manner of a man who's got quite a lot of money tied up in them. With increasing desperation, yeah. Did you ever get involved in the NFT stuff? No, no, never.

You saw through it? I didn't see anything that we, and certainly, because we do stuff and, you know, maybe in another world we could have got involved, but I think there was nothing that we could, there's nothing that, there's nothing for us there. There's nothing for anyone there. It's another great example for me of, it's another piece of tech that I see. simply don't understand. So I'm not going to get my fingers burnt.

I'm just going to run a million miles away from me. And you know what? I might have lost a million quid not knowing what it is, but I'll live with that. Yeah. It's not, whenever I said this to, um,

uh, when I said this to, uh, John from VDC last night, I said, never when some, it's not a good example of the NFTs, but whenever like you get offered something from a platform owner,

you know what I mean? somebody who, you know, runs your shit, you know, YouTube or Patreon or whoever, whenever they offer you a new feature, don't be the first to use it. First for a door gets a bloody nose, right? Never, never be the first to use it. Always just give it a bit of time and see how angry everyone gets about it. They say the first paper through the door get a bloody nose. By the way, when you first started talking about Johnny Burrell's jeans,

I didn't know that was where you're going to take the story. I forgot to mention the second ago. Right, okay, nice. I thought you were going to go for a bit of a, oh, and when I met Johnny Burrell, he was like this. He was all right. I've only had a couple of interviews with him. He seemed all right.

I forget what his crimes were. Just wearing white jeans, I think. Just obnoxious, I think. Should that be a crime in rock music? No, I think it's arguably that's what you want from a rock and roll style. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah.

The problem is, like, if you had to deal with Prince every day, you're like, shut, fucking, just stop it, all right? Yeah. But, like, the thing is these guys, they never got, they rarely get in. interviewed and they rarely, you know, spent, but the modern pop star have to, you have to have to have a very close parasocial relationship with them. Do you know what I mean? You have to be, they have to be constantly posting. They have to be constantly conversing. And that takes a lot of the mystique away and it does make you more excruciating, I think. I think Johnny Burrell got people pissed off because he said, from memory, he said he was a better songwriter than Bob Dylan. Yeah, I mean. People was like, you're not though. I mean, you're just not. Yeah.

Back yourself. Yeah, that's the thing, yeah. Back yourself, mate. But, you know. He said something like, he used an analogy, which at the same time

really exposed him as quite a limited songwriter because his imagination was so poor. It was like, oh, if we live in the house together, I'm upstairs in the bedroom writing poetry and Bob Dylan's downstairs making the chips. And it's like, it's just confusing. What does it mean?

It doesn't make any sense. It's not, You need to think that through. Ironically, if Bob Dylan was doing an analogy like that, it would be much better. Yeah. And you could have to think about that. Hey, Johnny's in the garden.

It's not all the cocaine. I'm going to... Admittedly, I am making the chips, but they're good chips. I'm Bob Dylan. Goodbye. That's a really good impression, mate. Thank you. The amount of times I've listened to a song of Bob Dylan's and it's ended with,

I'm Bob Dylan, goodbye. And Bob Dylan, goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. It's like his signature. I'm going for a song. a shit. My mum called me the other day. She said she was going to go get some tickets to see Bob Dylan because she's never seen him. And she was saying, oh, she said there's quite a lot of money. You think I should go? You think I should go? And I said, no.

Have you seen him recently? I've seen him like five times, yeah. Yeah. Is he got, was there even, at that point that you watched him the first time to the fifth? Was there even a progression downward? Was there even a trend downwards? Or did you, or was he, is he, as he plateaued at a really low level? The first time I saw him, I was just, it was confusing because I was really excited. And it was back in about 2004. And I had no, obviously the internet wasn't really what it is now. And so I didn't know that that was going to be what was happening. And so for those people listening or watching who don't know this, Bob Dylan's kind of live uvra is like, he basically garbles all the songs with different arrangements, doesn't really sing. I mean, even for Bob Dylan, he doesn't really sing. Yeah.

I mean, I get that like he never really sang properly anyway. bad and it to the point where and it sounds like an exaggeration but it isn't it is like genuinely hard to know what song he's playing so like so like so it's not the fact that so you know you say like um um you know like um once upon time you dress so fine through the bums of diamond your prime didn't you right yeah like a so that's the open lines to loca rolandstone right it's a very famous fucking song, people get the music, they know what the line is. Like, imagine a totally different melody, any melody, could be anything. So obviously the song goes, once upon a time you dress so fine, through the bums

down in your prime, didn't you? That's the song, right? Yeah. Everyone knows that. I'll do a rough approximation of what it is sound like live. You have to imagine basically whatever music you like is a melody, because it could be anything. And it kind of sounds, and I've seen him like four or. or five times and it's been

randomized every time, but broadly across the same theme. It'll basically be something like this. One of a man, you know, like that. But imagine that for two hours. You can't even sort of like, you can't even sort of like pace it.

You're like, he should have, how did he get to the end of the line so quickly? And then in the last one he took such a long time together. It's an amazing. It's an amazing, like, situation where he is now quite literally trading on the fact that people are paying just to be in the same presence as him. Yeah. That's modern kind of fandom, isn't it? It's just kind of like the ticket is the, you know, the ticket and the Instagram is the, is the thing that you're going to, I suppose, isn't it?

And I think, I think, I mean, it's up there with the most challenging shows or performance. performance I've ever seen. Football Rumble. Yeah, that is very challenging, perhaps different reasons. But you and I perform very different roles in that situation.

The other really genuinely quite challenging evening, weird enough, at the same venue where I first saw Bob Dylan which is Brickson Academy that I had, was going to see the Mars Volta.

Right, okay. But at least they're quicker. At least they're quicker. At least they're puncher. Yeah, but the problem with that was they did, so their music is obviously,

and to say the least and I don't know what you would describe it as I mean what would you describe it as um it's just angular punk isn't it it's kind of like uh so the Mars Valter is follow the Mars VALT is much more I would call it

they were formed from the ashes of what do you call it weren't they at the driver who are definitely post hardcore kind of part but like the Mars Voter is I believe come about because the two afros were pissed off because the rest of the band

couldn't play the songs they were now writing. And so they just branched off and did their thing. And I would call it, I would say it's basically probably progressive jazz, I would say.

Anyway, so I went to go and see them thinking, oh, this will be interesting. At this point at the drive and had broken up and I'd never seen them. I have subsequently seen them

but I had never seen them at that point. I was like, oh, I should definitely go because I mean, I don't really like them as well as music, but it'll be good. And it wasn't. They played essentially for about an hour and 15 minutes with no break and then just went off again.

It was like one song. And what was really weird about it was that when you go to a gig, you kind of get used to the kind of pace of it. Okay, here's a song, here's a break. Here's a song. Here's a break. They're going to change a guitar around. They're going to go whatever. Yeah.

And this was just like one long performance piece that had. nothing to hang your hat on and they just left. You need to be seated at those gigs. Do you know what I mean? I was standing and it felt like I'd grown a beard. It was fucking, it was so long. An hour and 15 minutes, the longest hour and 15 minutes

of my entire life. Well, speaking of that, Luke, we've come to the end of another Luke who would be sure. We'll be back on Monday, 17th. Look after sales this weekend. If you are heading out, may I recommend a little known

gallery, the Tate Modern. Cracking Jubbleys. And some other stuff that's very good. There was, yeah, all right. I'll want to go to that now. I'll see you later. Bye. The Luke and Pete Show is a stack production

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