The Luke and Pete Show - The One-Armed Green Grocer

Episode Date: May 14, 2026

Sometimes wrestlers hang out with Welsh nans and sometimes (quite often) American rockstars become really right-wing.In other news, Sabastian Sawe recently became the first person to run a sub-two hour marathon in race conditions and even Pete is impressed. Luke’s on hand to explain exactly how fast that is.Plus, both Mr Moore and Mr Donaldson have some family stories to tell, and that’s before we learn about Pete’s dad’s taste in comedy.Send us your latest stories, questions and comments here: [e-mail] Luke and Pete Show is the sometimes ridiculous, always funny podcast with Luke Moore and Pete Donaldson: two men who have time on their hands and a good idea of how to waste it. Subscribe to get your comedy podcast fix every Monday and Thursday. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Welcome to the Luca Pete Choppy Donaldson are with you and Mr. Lucie Moore joining us on the call as well. Loki. What's going on, mate? What? What? What? What? What? I do, yeah.

They used to long to songs. They used to do that, didn't they? He's got acid as well. That's a bit earlier. But you know you're on the kind of Benadorm type hall day where people would do that in the song. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, baby. where, ooh, ah, that kind of era.

Yeah, they used to that quite a lot in Bar-Pari, and the... What's Bar-Pari? Bar-Pari was the... It's basically the place that Yeats has became, Yates' Wine Lodge in Hartlepool became Bar-Pari. It's more glamorous. It's more glamorous.

Yeah, and what's the... What's the really trashy 70s one? That... Flares? Flares. as a couple, no, Lunes is a couple of doors down and that's where the really nasty DJs to get on. Like, he'd barely get

any songs out. He would just constantly be going, fucking hell, look at all those two fucking fingering each other, fupon hell, and then there's fucking DJ Wazor, fucking, uh, see. Hey, ohsy. Hey, baby, yeah, nice. Yeah. You really

transported me there. What would you be doing? Stand on, New Zaddle Fertive? Fertive, yeah, just got a dancing queen by Abba. Oh, I hope they play. how they play I write sins not tragedies

by the point of this guy bum bum bum is there anything more is there anything more kind of like hopeful of hearing panic the discourse I write sins not tragedies

if you're a person like me because you're like bum bum bum what is it this is like a muted harp bum bum bum I can't remember

off top of my head it feels like it might be a bass playing quite harp the neck oh yeah I imagine I mean live

they probably do that but I'm fairly it just feels a bit harpy anyway is there anything more thrilling than that because you're like, they might play some good stuff.

If they are getting away we're playing this, they might actually have some good stuff. They know what the good stuff is. They're just not doing it. They know what the good stuff is. They're just not doing it. Maybe I'll hear some taking back Sunday. But you probably won't.

You probably want. That'll be as good as it gets. Like in the same way that back in the year 2000, as good as it got was one less than Jake's song, one real big fish song, one lid limb biscuit song. And the rest of the time, it was just fucking, after never, never land.

It's, uh, club box is. I'll be criticising the end to sand, man. It's just too, it's not divisive enough for me. There's too many, you can, people are rocking out from that for people who are like really into, like, you know, romantic goth music of the 80s. But there are also people who are kind of into, um, uh, uh, your hip hop and stuff and the intersection with new metal. You like hip-hop. I like, I love hip-hop, you know me. I'm, I love the rhymes.

I love the, did I tell you saw where Tupac had been killed? Yeah, you did, yeah, you saw when you got shot. Yeah, that's a very, very. pleasing, very pleasing bucket listing to tick off, isn't it? A lot of drawings, not drawings, like, a lot of like his lyrics sort of written out on the floor. I see no changes. It was really, I see no changes. I, um, it was very close to a hotel.

So maybe he, as he died, he thought, I'll never stay in the horseshoe casino. Thank fuck for that. I'll never got a wrestle time. Now it's time for death sweet release. Did you say, did you say there's a wrestler called man, man like Dres is a local kind of like British wrestler. Probably one of the better ones, you know, pretty high performing. But he's a very local, regional concern. And he was on the flight over to America to wrestle for progress

and a few other different indie shows. And he was sat in between a load of like Welsh nans. And the Welsh nans were like having a right all time. They were just gone out of Vegas to have a tear up. And man like Dorese was in the middle. Dereyce, Dereyce, Dorese, it doesn't matter. Yeah, Man Like Dorese was in the middle And he was basically talking to these old Welsh nans

And they were like basically I were talking about how they used to Watch Big Daddy and stuff back in the day And he basically said Oh, you should come and watch me wrestle And so all these nans descended on the aforementioned horseshoe casino And there was like seven of them Went to see Man Like...

Best 4 or not your life, that one? Man like Dorese's You know, he was taken on Michael Oku Again, a very, very good wrestler and they were in the crowd for it and stuff and it was just really funny that they all just went to the Horseshoe Casino to watch some indie wrestling

Did you make any small talk? I didn't make, what, did I make any small talk with them, with the nans? I saw a few nans kicking around and I was wondering whether there might be like parents of somebody but... Just proud, just proud Nans. Just proud Nans.

By the way, speaking of Botanica, are you across the continuing grudge that Dave Mustaine of Megadeth is bearing against him. He's still going on now. So Mustaine is one of those. I feel like he may have gone down the right wing multiplex to watch a few cinema.

I just feel like he's always, whenever him out of fucking stained, him out of, all of the dickheads, kid rock and that, whenever they're mouthing off, he's also mouthing off as well, Mustane. Oh, okay.

He's definitely, he has done info wars. Right, okay, yeah. I just feel like he's in that bracket. Oh, he's done some false flag conspiracy theory stuff as well. I didn't know that. That's part of the cost for an American rocker, though, isn't it? You know what?

I think, look, I would point people to, I very rarely do this, okay, but bear with me. I do not recommend Joe Rogan very often for very obvious reasons, but the James Hetfield, Joe Rogan is genuinely good. And Hetfield's political positions are quite nuanced, actually, quite interesting for a broke of that means and that age and of that kind of outlook. Yeah. He's basically like, so far right, it's unbelievable. But it's like, he's so far right, he just wants to be in the countryside on his own.

Like, he doesn't care. He's so far out there that he's like, I would be happy for no one other than my family to ever talk to me. That's how politically extreme is. But anyway, but the point I was going to make was that in, I mean, those who don't really like metal. in 1983, I want to say, around that time, not long after Metallica started cracking on, Mustang was kicked out of Metallica. Yes.

And they said it was because he was, you know, fucking boozing too much or whatever, which is outrageous, by the way, because, I mean, they were all... Imagine outboozing Metallica. But he stuck in his craw. And given that he is, I mean, despite the fact that he basically went on for Megadeth, who themselves have sold tens of millions of records. Yeah.

done really well. He's never, ever got past it. And he's still on my Instagram, in my timeline now, talking about just slagging off Lars, slagging off Hetfield, talking about how things could have been different. How about this song, that song, that's my song, that's my solo.

And he's in a band that has sold 50 million records himself. In many ways, Pete, it's actually a more impressive achievement. They're not a better band, but he's been kicked onto his ass and he's gone and formed his own band, on his own and sold 50 million. And he's basically the lead singer of the fall.

Like, they just have a rotating lineup, and he's just Megadeth, basically. But every five minutes I see something. And the video of him, he's still, it's very recent. He's old. It's not like he's doing it two years later. No. He's doing it 45 years later.

Dan Bagdaryl audition for Megadeth, as did Slash. I can believe it. I think Slash was asked to join Megadeth. But there you go. He's got an amazing cameo in some kind of monster of 2000. and three documentary where he speaks to Lars and they kind of air their grievances. But he's still doing it now, so obviously didn't do anything.

Yeah, good on them. Didn't get it off his back. Mega Death are one of those bands that when you couldn't get Metallica for a video game, Megadeth were the ones they went for. Yeah, I think that might be what sticks in Dave's Craw. I think he's spread off of being the Steve Gutenberg to their Ted Danson. Do you want to do the Gaze of War soundtrack? Yes, I do.

Yes, I do, actually. I'll take the money, but I'll be annoyed about it secretly. He's the Alan Partridge to there, Cliff Thorburn. Yeah. Yes. That's what he's raging about. By the way, Peter, finally found time to talk about this, caught up with it. Completely got to mention it at the time. But did you see, and the reason I'm asking you this,

is because you are the only person I know, I think, who will not care about this, which it makes it funny. Did you see that Sebastian Sarway ran a marathon under two hours? I did see that now. I mean, obviously that is up there with trying to figure out whether Harry Stiles is in the Pepper Pig costume for me in interest features. So this guy, he ran

a sub-two-hour marathon. First time it's been done legally in a... Has that... Is that... So that, I thought, when... The way they were talking about that on the BBC slash Euro News slash... They weren't talking about Jimmy News, rape gangs. But that was watching with my dad a little while ago.

He ran a sub-two-hour marathon. So that means... I thought that that was the first time he'd done it himself. So that is the first time. That's amazing. I mean, that is, it literally does not get any better than that. It's obscene.

It is absolutely obscene how fast he runs. Because you guys will yapping on WhatsApp. I just think also two hours, that's a lot of running in it. That's a lot of running. My favourite bit of trivia about it was, you couldn't do it on a lime scooter faster. Because they are limited.

Their speed limited. And their speed limit is lower than the pace he was running. they're really, they've got some fair look. They're like, whoa. Yeah. He must possibly be like, whoa, my body's going fast. And I don't know if I told you this before,

but the one thing that people don't fully appreciate, I don't think, is the sheer pace he's running that because I remember either being at or seeing a, it was either at a conference thing that I was doing a panel on or it was just I just saw it, and I can't remember, but it was ages because it was ages ago. But they had set up a treadmill in one of these stalls, one of these stands,

which was running at marathon world record pace, right? This was years ago. So it would be a few minutes slower than what he did. And they were getting people from all walks of sport to try and see how they can run it for. And they were like professional athletes who could do like 10 seconds. But it's like sprinting, full on sprinting. So for example, I don't think you or I at full speed

could even keep up with it, let alone maintain the pace for an amount of time. You literally could not run that fast. Absolutely pegging it. Yeah, amazing. It's like two and a half minute kilometers. It's absolutely a've seen. And it was also quite warm that day as well. Honestly, I don't know.

It's one of those things that were, you know, like people do their couch to 5K, couch to 4K thing, right? And I go, all right, okay, that's, that's an achievement of stuff. But marathons are way further than that, aren't they? Yes, there's 42K. Just eight of those in a bit more.

42K, come on now. How far do you reckon you could run right now have you had to at your own pace? 1K. Yeah. Yeah. Probably the same. Probably the same. The thing is, though, also, flat, if I had, if I could run, if I could run round a ring, a track, if you will, I think that would help.

But the problem is, like, I live on the sea, so everything's just kind of hilly. I live on the sea. I live on the sea. You make it sound glamorous. I know, I wouldn't mind. There's a video clip of, um, there's a video clip of, um, um, it's Pullman Pot on Reddit of some marathon runners at 2am still running the marathon. Right.

Which I think is adorable. Still going with the headlamps on. Shouldn't there be a broom wagon or something? What do you mean? I was in like a, what's a broomwagon? So in the Tour de France, there's a thing called a broom wagon. Right. Which.

Sweeping people up? Yeah. It's not the biggest, it's not the biggest, um, ignominy you can suffer as a professional cyclist. Oh. So you bomb out or you hit the wall or you can't carry on or whatever. Yeah. And you're going at a snows pace.

In order for the whole foul jamboree to move on to the next stage, you only get a certain amount of time. I see. If you're too slow, you get swept up and stuck in the back of this, like, transit van and driven back home. And you have to turn up in front of all the other professional cyclists. In your little van, off your face. Who's in the broomwagon today?

Loser! Loozer! That's what they do. You've smashed your pot bell as hard as you could. Yeah, and they throw baguettes at them. Drinking sherry. I mean, it's sound... The competitive world of cycling is horrific. It's the worst of society.

Some of the best sports books are about cycling, though. And that's probably good reason for that. Yeah, I can recommend. I probably have recommended several over the years on this show. But there's a load of really good ones. Speaking of, by the way, I'm actually, at the time of recording, I actually go into, oh, I told you this already. I'm going to a boxing thing.

Come to see the boxing. Yeah, go to see a boxing movie and a Q&A, so that should be interesting. And I also wanted to ask you if you have, and if you haven't, it's absolutely unacceptable. So answer very carefully. Have you been keeping up with the snooker? No, God, no.

Why not? Because my Auntie John's dead and that's the only place I used to watch it. It's great that old ladies just love Snoker, isn't it? Yeah, there was two places that I used to watch Snooker. Auntie Jones house, Auntie Lil's house as well. She's living in Easington. And I only found this out at the weekend, like a few weeks ago,

where I Auntie Lillel was married to a one-armed man The one-armed man Right Not the one that What's the story behind that So your uncle then was it? No it was like it was great

It was my grand sister's husband So he was a one-arm man Great uncle Not the one that Not the one that they're meeting As part of the Iranian Negotiations The one-armed man

And the one-hour man he was a greengrocer and he and Auntie Little used to run a greengrocers and he lost his arm in a mining accident like a lot of when he was 16 and he could tie his shoelaces basically with one hand

it's just horrific so horrific how grim it used to be up north well down in the mines more than anything else can't blame the north for that the ground is the ground the ground and he lost his arm

did he earn for the mines I don't know I don't know Well Would you extract your arm If you're like I mean I guess it would be a crushing Thing

I don't know how they extracted his arm From the mine Maybe he left He donated that to the ground I don't know how it works Would you go and visit it later Um So there's my arm

After it had been taken off you As it rotted So did you know him well The guy I didn't know him well But it turns out So I didn't realize He was 20 years older

Than my Auntie Lil 20 years And he was a widow Two kids and then he married the shop girl and the shop girl was auntie little and I had no idea that he was living such a tawdry life the one-armed pervert the one-armed greengrocer

maybe he just thought I've lost an arm I deserve a young woman I think so yeah yeah exactly so speaking of scandal if you want a great aunt and great uncle story my granddad's sister she married a guy called Alan and he

died in prison a few years ago because he got sent down for attempted murder because he tried to kill my great arm by cutting the brakes on her car I just think that those things will be checked though aren't they

won't they be checked well they lives at the top of a hill and one night he just went down there cut all the brakes I don't know how you do that but I guess it was another part. Yeah, I don't know how you would do that. And then I hoped that she would go down on the hill,

not been able to stop and then die. But she didn't get in the car or whatever. I can't remember how got found out. Or maybe she did get in the car. Yeah, how did she? But he confessed, basically. Right. That's it.

He died inside. I just don't, I, cut in the brake line, it just seemed that that's the first thing they'll check. The sort of why didn't the car stop? Oh, I don't think it was a perfect crime. No. He went down.

Not very good at it. No, it wasn't, I mean, from what I remember of him, he wasn't intelligent, man. I can't really... Yeah. Like, you've got a break line, we couldn't do that. I wouldn't worry for being in the prison hierarchy for doing that.

Probably quite a little bottom. Yeah, probably... It's not going to be snitches and pedos, but it's not going to be armed robbers. Do you not think that, do you ever sort of think that we've ever met in our lives, people who, because we're both from seaside towns and like, you know, they're quite transient, you know, the Navy and stuff. You know, people just sort of floating about, especially in the age. Do you ever met anyone who murdered somebody? I often think that.

when I'm sitting on the tube. I wonder how close I've been. Who's the worst man criminal I've ever sat next to on the tube? Yeah. Probably new. Yeah. Probably me.

I'm hiding in play and say. But I do think there's something in that. I also, it's weird though where I grew up because when I grew up, obviously I was born in Portsmouth, but I grew up in a place called Gosport, and that's a peninsula. And it's kind of, there's something about it, which is, this is the last stop. You can't really float past it.

You get there. And you're just stuck there because on three sides it's all surrounded by water, really. And then obviously you get a lot of Navy people as well who are, by their nature, I suppose, a bit more transient. But it's a rum-old place. It's just been a sports direct open up there. All right, okay. On the high street. It's a lovely big mug, aren't you?

It's the first new shop that's opened up on that high street for about 20 years. Yeah, it's weird. Like in Harleypool, every now and again they'll just be an M or something. or just open up. And you're like, why, why now, guys?

What is B&M? It's just shit in it. It's just, uh, like fake plants and package sweets, isn't it? B&M.

It's like, um, uh, what's that, it's like, the works. It's like the works. It's like a Wilco or the works,

yeah. What's the world? I'm not at that. The Wilco and I feel closed down. The works is to be a club in Kingston. Yeah. I went to Wicks this morning, pick up some more,

um, cement, because I'm, uh, a concrete monster. Which one is, Which one is it? Cement or concrete?

But you should know that if you're doing it. I should know that. Cement. What's the powdery stuff is cement? No. The powder of cement and concrete is the, is cement with little, little bits of... I thought concrete was just cement when it went hard. No, no, two different things.

The concrete, cement is the grey sort of powder stuff, and the concrete is treated limestone with silica, silica and stuff. and the little rocks that make the strength and, you know, make things out of it, I think. You don't sound that sure? Yeah, well, I don't. I'm looking at bags of it now. Can I say, yeah, concrete.

That's what I was using. I was buying some concrete. And the Wix, because all of the shops in Raleigh, have kind of closed down on the trading estate, there's just, um, the Wix has having a lovely time. The Wix couldn't have, like, the Wix was the least successful DIY shop in the whole of the Raleigh, Weyer district on Ratlin

in early Weir. And now suddenly because all of the DIY stores have moved out, they're like, fucking hell, we're creaming it. Donaldson's coming in for six bags of concrete. And he doesn't even know what it is. How much do they go for a bag? Uh, about eight quid. Not expensive.

Well, apparently, according to, I've just looked it up, cement is an ingredient in concrete. In concrete, yeah. The analogy that's helpful is cement is to concrete, what flour is to bread. Nice, like that. So I'll be making some some bread. Some sweet, hard bread. some sweet wall bread.

Yeah. I went to B&Q yesterday. Oh, what did you get? What did you get? Talk to me. Six light fittings. Oh. Oh, because you're taking,

because you're busy. Because you're busy doing stuff. Doing, busy doing stuff. Yeah, so six light fittings, mate. It was actually a pretty pain-free trip. I associate to being in the like as very painful times. Right.

I'm at my debt. Bigger boys patronise me. Yeah. I end up paying for shit. I probably don't want or understand. Never get around to taking it back with the receipt and then it just sits around the house. Have you got fittings?

Have you got the screws and stuff? The anchor screws for the plasterboard and stuff. Ooh. Now you're asking. It's going to glue them to the ceiling. Oh dear. What are we going to do? Oh dear, never mind.

I'll work it out, I'm sure. But yeah, so that was actually a pretty pain free trip. The B&Q in me is pretty good. It's massive. I love a BNQ. They've got a bit. If everything got a tread counter? But do you feel safe in there?

You feel like no one's, no one's going to bother you? Um, I nearly took a man's head off with a, with a bit of, um, with a bit of timber this morning. No idea.

I felt, I felt, I said, basically, I nearly ate him and I went, sorry, me out of least you get rid off there. And then I thought,

that's very big of me, thinking I could take a man's head off. Because he was massive as well. I was like, sorry, took your head off. What did you actually say? He just,

he just giggled. I went, who? But you and B and Q is when I imagine, Alan Partridge was in that Spitfire on this time, but he's doing a Spitfire flight and he's loving it. And he starts getting on the big, it gets into this reverie where he's so happy.

And he goes, what I love about up there is you can be yourself. You know, you can say what you want and no left wing person will tut at you. That's why I think about you and B and Q. Yeah, I think so, yeah. No, no family member or annoying person will tutter you. No. No, mortar, little bags of mortar are my friends, I think. your best friends are more

by the way speaking of that have you seen small profits which on small profits it's the new mackenzie crooks it was relatively new mackenzie crook I've not no he works in the harbour store and that the guy

you love a mackenzie crook uh he's brilliant he's brilliant I know what I like about me you like gentle you're you're james hetfield you want to you want to just sit on your farm

watching gentle mackenzie crook comedies I um I think he's the anti Jervais isn't he? Yeah yeah he's very chill He's very chill. He's like, it's like, it's like feel good. It is gentle comedy.

It's not actually, what it is is quite interesting about it. And those people who are listening who have seen it will know what I mean here. And if you haven't seen it, you should watch it because it's very good. But it's, you don't actually laugh out loud, but you just kind of do this, Pete. Watch me. You just sort of go, huh. Like that a lot. Right.

And at the end, you thought you had a really nice time. So five, six times a show you're going to go. Yeah. I could jolt. I made my dad watch, um, Shane. Gillis's, whatever, his Netflix special is about all the big hits on that one. And I made him watch it. Is he cancelled?

Is he problematic? I think he's, I think he's sort of Fox News kind of coded, isn't he? We've talked about him before, haven't we? I like his stuff, but he's funny. By being quite deft, I think he's clever enough to sort of avoid that. And, you know, a lot of, a lot of criticism is, is valid. What kind of Bill Burr, you mean? He's the acceptable face of, of, of, of, of, you know, of?

of slightly, you know, not fucking wet comedy, basically. He's not wet, he's quite robust. Like Bill Burr? Yeah, like Bill Burr. So Bill Bill Bill Burr, he's not quite as racist as Chinquill's up. Yeah, Bill Burr's not quite as racist as Chinquilless. Right. Or playing with that side of things.

So how do you feel about it knowing how liberal you are? I play. I'm comfortable. Yeah, it's how much exposure that you're comfortable with, isn't it? You know what I mean? It's like I can still appreciate stuff and sort of go, well, you need to take some bits, take other bits that, you know. And his worst stuff is the shittier stuff.

So you sort of go, well, look, I like the stuff that's the good stuff. And he, I think he knows his shittier stuff, his shit. Okay. Anyway, I played it with my dad, and he was just, he was not, he's like, he likes his comedy and stuff, but he just didn't, he just sort of, like, sat there, just sort of, like, watching it, not really sort of smiling. And then I started going, ha, ha, ha, ha. And he started laughing a bit, and I was like, oh, I've cajoled my dad into it.

It's like that, um, Japanese television. a lot of, uh, uh, you'll have someone cooking a bit of food. And then you'll have like little sort of, sort of, sort of heads of like celebrities. And they'll be sort of going, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. And it's all a bit that kind of like that Japanese kind of collective, you know, not wanting to stick your head above the parapet about an opinion. Yeah. To have that kind of, you need these people on your television to sort of tell you what to think or how to react to stuff.

So your dad needs you to do that? Dad needs my little talking head. motivation for playing it to him. Just to guess not what you'd be used to turn off. Who would your dad's favourite comics be then? He was deep in the... I don't know.

He loves a bit of Bill Maher on the most condescending man on television. He's gone mad, though. Has he gone totally mad? He's gone mad. But he's got like old man mad, hasn't he? It's just everybody...

People just start to smell of old woodbines and coffee and whiskey. They're just, they're just, just condescending, so, whew, sort of shit. When you were a kid, what was the comedy, community situation when you were a kid? It's like, Monty Python, stuff like that, really. Was it, that's good. A lot of Python in the house.

Yeah, it was a lot of comedy, a lot of comedy in the house. He loved, he loved his, he loved his ward house and, Kurt Vonnegut and stuff. Oh, that's amazing. Nice, I wasn't expecting that. My house was more of a kind of, it was Monty Python. is Faulty Towers Whenever that was repeated

Because that was like mid-70s But it kind of used to do it around And then You never see Monty Python TV now weirdly But ours was As was Les Dawson was big Tommy Cooper Yeah

Bob Monkhouse Yeah That kind of stuff really He liked all the BBC 2 stuff He liked the alternative stuff You like your Alexi Sales And your young ones and stuff Oh right

Yeah I like that I would climb into that ground But you know what's interesting Is I think I've ranted to you before about like why does every TV show have to have a comedian on it. But ultimately it's a well trodden path, isn't it? Because if you think back to the 80s and stuff, people used to host TV shows back then. Dawson, Monkhouse, all that they're all comedians, basically, aren't they?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's really, really, you just know they're a steady hand, really, as long as they're not a regional cue. I was watching, my mom was watching Potillo. He's not around Japan because he's a train guy, isn't he? Yeah. And obviously that's the place where train aficionado's really, really... Oh, was he into it?

I bet he's well into it. He was just absolutely bumming the Shinkansen, the length and breadth of Q-Shu. And he's, and he was, I noticed he was reading an auto-Q, but it was like on location. So he was like in a, in the vestibule of a Shinkansen bullet train, and he was also reading an auto-kew. And I was like, oh, that's interesting. Probably iPhone. The iPhones are really good now.

Yeah, probably just an iPhone. I wonder what they shoot that stuff on. They're not going to be shooting that big old can. Because what's interesting about a friend of mine is a really well experienced Premier League cameraman. And they still use the big rigs, right? Yeah, because they're like hundreds of thousands of pounds, those guys. Do they need to do that now? Yeah, because you can, because basically it's, you can't, you know,

you can do all like the post-processing in like really small camera lens and stuff. And they do it really quickly now and the AI helps and stuff. But those lenses and those big rigs that they got, and certainly the ones for broadcast and stuff, that can focus on something like miles away and then also focus something relatively close as well and nobody can do that. Those camera lenses are like hundreds of thousands of pounds

and the cameras are even more expensive. They're so expensive. But they're still used because they're just the size of them. What resolution are they filming in? It almost doesn't matter. I mean, you put any camera behind whatever lens, but they'll be shooting in 4K. But a lens is, you know, resolution independent, I suppose, isn't they?

But I don't think of it? And the thing is they definitely don't need to use those cameras for like postmatch and that kind of shit. No, no, you can use any old, you use the ones we use in our studio for that sort of thing. Yeah, but the ones we got in our studio, 6K aren't they? Yeah, but I mean, yeah, yeah, they're probably, they're probably doing it in 6K, yeah. We don't, we don't use 6K because it takes too long to transfer the files. It's just, it's preposterous. There's, um, the amount of, the amount of sort of data kicking around, it's just absolutely insane.

Like, we're sort of doing video stuff with, uh, our main kind of football rambble channel at this moment of time, and as with a couple of other shows as well. And like, you forget how good YouTube is at handling loads and loads and loads of video. Because anybody else who sort of steps in that space, you're like, oh, actually, like, the server,

the space is really, the server speed is really, really, really slow compared to everybody else's. You know, the big, you know, the big Googles and Amazon and stuff. They sort of say that with all of this move to AI, they reckon that like none of these new, sort of data centers and GPU processing units are getting built. And if they are getting built, by the time it is built, they'll be out of,

they'll be two years out of days. It's a bit of a paradox, right? It's really, it's like the fourth bridge. As soon as you install all the GPUs, they're out of date. As soon as you install our CPUs, it's out of date, you need new ones. Is it a real, it's a real problem, right, this stuff, this AI stuff in terms of the energy it uses and everything?

Well, yeah, I mean, also mixed with that, is that all of the people who are on the major, companies from, you know, Oracle to Claude to all those ones. They're all fucking liars as well. So their main skill is not doing the actual AI itself. It's actually just extracting as much money out the city as possible. Yeah, right. It's just very difficult thing.

Oh, yeah, the mask is terrible for that. The stuff Musk comes out with, people just lap it up, don't they? Yeah, but they do sort of, but at least a bit of a bluff-busted flush in that sense. But they sort of say that, AI, you know, you know, my, My dad loves all of the Krukund Gazette bollock. So some fucking bloke who's been arrested for anti-Semitism, a couple of occasions,

he has, he does like basically anti-K. Starma stuff. Yeah, I know. He's a guy who's just got cancelled, didn't he? I don't know. I mean, he just got cancelled? I just, I don't know.

He didn't get cancelled. He basically got YouTube demonetised his stuff because it's the eye slop. So he demotise, so obviously he's saying it's a free speech issue. It's not really. just you just make shit and YouTube aren't going to give you money for it. And so he's moving to a Patreon model, you know, or moving to like a coffee model.

And he's complaining that YouTube have demonetized it. So it's a, you know, they're stopping him from expressing himself. They're not, they're just not paying you for it. Anyway, so there's that. And my dad loves all that. But they reckon that, and I do agree with that, I don't think we'll have that sort of image generation stuff for very much longer.

I think this will be, it's so expensive, and we're used to sort of, our access to AI is all kind of subscription based. You know, we pay 200 quid a month if you're, you know, a heavy user or 30 quid a month

to use chat chit or clod or whatever. But computationally, that's, you know, you are getting so much value for money. Claude are never going to make any money out of it. Anthropic are never going to make any money out of it. These companies aren't going to make any money out of it. Because it's a subscription service, what they should be doing or what they should be moving into,

I think Microsoft might be doing this. It's a podcast. It's moving into like a token-based thing. So like at the point of which you use it, you basically have a stock of, you know, 100 tokens that you've paid for outright, like a Pairs-you-Go kind of deal. And then every request that you make of Claude or every request you make of your AI model of choice depletes that money. But no one's going to want to do that. they've had to taste the biscuit. No one's going to sort of want to go to the token based system.

And also like if you ask, you've complained on more than occasion about AI's being shit. And you ask it a question and it comes back with some spurious bollocks. You've got to ask it again and again and again. So you're, so you've got to basically ask something 10 times to get one answer. So sometimes the, you know, AI will get it right the first time. But most of the time you've got to ask the same question three or four times for them to get it right. So it's not value for money. No, I find that.

I've said that to people before, and people who are pompous about it will say, oh, yeah, but you're not doing the right prompts. Like, I did it, I did it as an experiment, so I was on fighting talk a few months ago, and you get given all the questions in advance. Obviously, you can't use AI because we've got to fucking deliver it in person on live radio anyway. But I just thought, I wonder what AI would come up with, what Claude would come up with for this question. And it was like, is something about grey-haired athletes? Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Who's the most prominent, who's the best ever grey-haired athlete? And it kept saying George Foreman.

It just kept saying it. Like, who's famously one of the most famous bald men to ever live. Didn't I test that when it said Zadan as well? Yeah. And then when I questioned, I got pissed off with it after George Foreman Gate. And I kept, I said, what are you talking about? I said, oh no, Zadan had some gray hair around the temple.

So he's not a gray-haired athlete. Like, what are you? And I just couldn't get to the bottom of why it was so bad it. So imagine if you've paid for every request, rather than a subscription service. But the more interesting aspect of it is why is it saying that? Yeah. I mean, it's not a complicated question.

No, it's mad, isn't it? Just hallucinate. Absolutely mad. But anyway, so AI's fucked. Yeah, enjoy it. Yeah. Enjoy it. Let's get out of it. Enjoy the city.

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