The Luke and Pete Show - Too Many Stick Insects

Episode Date: February 5, 2026

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It's the Luke and Pete show with me, Pete Donaldson. I'm Mr. Lukie Moore. No, but Simon Bates and Kid Jensen, for those people who listen to those. Exactly. You've definitely got more of the Jensen about him, about him and you. So you know what it was? It's the blonde hair. David Kidd Jensen.

We ended the last show. We'll let Pete through the Cairns. We record the last show quite soon before this one. Why soon before this one? It's a baffling sentence. I'm getting worse, because I'm, barely breathe. I'm losing oxygen to my brain, which makes me even more

scatty. Which is the size of a walnut. It's like a diplodocus brain. It's like a walnut whip. Yeah. Oh. Which does look like a brain. You probably think, but at least it's got a lot of firing neurons. It hasn't. No. Did you see that dog that, uh, you see that dog that, um, had no brain?

Yeah. It was like, the, for some reason it was like doing, I think it was having seizures or something. And they did a brain scan and they were like, he's got no brain. Just fluid. How was he able to do all stuff that he does, but it turns out, yeah, it doesn't need... The way that the brain can sort of rewire itself is fascinating. Is that about this stuff like Donald Trump's a way?

He's just like, all his frontal lobes gone, so he's just like, in... Everything is just input and output. Everything is just output. And he doesn't have any filter anymore. And so like, yeah, the brain can start to sort of rewire itself a little. Yeah, so that's, it's called neuroplasticity, isn't it? And it's part of the reason why you should always keep your brain active. And that's why there's a link, I think, between...

death, deafness, no, deafness and dementia. Oh. Because when, if people don't get hearing aids, they're not stimulated as much. They're not stimulated by stuff. Yeah. And there's also, there's also a really interesting study I read recently about, um, the,

it's really rare, apparently, for people to get dementia and cancer in later life. That's right. Yes. They sort of say that, um, drecking out the, um, not the calcium, is it. What's the stuff that plaque that sort of built up. Yeah, just that sort of do that, maybe. Maybe we did some that lovely plaque. But there was a Frenchman who had the old, um,

of thing to that dog where he had had like an undiagnosed thing of water on the brain but it happened very very slowly over a number of years and it gradually

just destroyed like a massive percentage of his brain like 90% but because it happened slowly the neuroplasticity of his brain was able to adapt

and rewire and the only when he started he had some headaches sometimes he went to a brain scan and they were the doctors were like what the fuck is this yeah can they sort of

of reduced that, what year is this? Was this quite soon? Was that just quite recently? Or was this like a long time ago? I don't know. Are we talking trapanning or a proper surgical? Oh no, it's like 10 years ago? Right, okay. Yeah, all right. So you can sort of like is it dangerous to remove all that fluid? You have to do it sort of like... I don't know what I did. Just have a little tap and just turn it on every

month. Let a little bit more out. There's almost that story of that woman... They shouldn't talk to me. There's that story of that woman who had that compulsive knee to scratch her forehead. Right. And she would do it in her sleep. Right. And it was compulsive she couldn't stop it right and they ended up having to put a plate in her forehead oh because she was scratching through to her brain like to like um the brain fluid yeah that is that

i've said some things on this podcast loki mo but i think that is the worst thing i've ever heard i read that in a book um science book called scratchy scratchy is it called the outliers or something like that yeah maybe no that's malcolm gladwell it's not a malcolm gladwell book it's basically a book by a science the popular science author it's very good who reports on the very edges of like scientific discovery and it was in that right um it was also because he was also talking about there's a there's an illness you can get

which they thought was a physical condition where people think they've got tiny little fibers in their skin and they're scratch and scratch and scratch yeah and since the improvement in like microscopy and scans and stuff yeah they just automatically assumed back in the day that it was just like oh we can't see it right but then when they do the microscoping now they're like there's nothing there literally nothing there oh right it's actually yeah in your head you've you've invented it there's just the stuff like that right it's really weird

um apparently my uh my grandma used to she um had a mentalness which she was quite lit on all through booze um and she thought she um her nose had fallen off so she would ask people in the street that she um a former that must be a former dementia yeah i'd just yeah i'd just yeah There's also a psychological, a diagnosed psychological condition where if you go away from people you know very well for a certain amount of time, you can get a condition where you come back and you are convinced the person that you knew is an imposter.

Right, okay. And you can never be disavowed of that feeling. Because you've just forgotten a little bit about them. Yeah, it starts with like mannerism and stuff like that and you just think you're being inspired upon by an imposter kind of thing. Especially because, like, people change over time. So like the person you probably knew was a little bit different. Enough different to sort of go,

what's going on here? Yeah. Been replaced. Yeah, because I wouldn't notice how mental you've become compared to what used to be like. It's literally since the... It's like a gradual increase of the fluid on that man's brain. A really good resource for your interest in that kind of stuff

is the psychopath test by John Ronson. Right. Who he talks a lot about the different kind of, not only the different kind of psychological conditions, but just how actually quite sketchy and evidence light, a lot of the diagnosis can be. Yeah.

Like this is not really a consensus on how many different types of mental illness there are and whether these ones are just variations of the other ones. It's kind of a bit like when you know, say, um, you'll read Sank Online where it'll say

there are 450 different types of moth. It's like, are there though? Yeah. That sounds like you're just trying to secure funding, isn't it? Exactly. Yeah. It's like slightly just a slightly different moth.

Yeah. Do we ask the thing about how we categorize that? Yeah. Yeah. Honestly, I'll tell you, it's a great game you can play, right? So ask, like, think of an animal. Just tell me any animal.

Can I go... Small or better, to be fair. Armadillo. That's going to put one. Why is that poor one? How many different types of Armadillo? What would you like me to have said? Stick insect.

Right. How many different types, how many different species of armadillo? To be fair, Amadil is probably like four or something. How much do you think? The number is always to be bigger than what you think. Really? Yeah. All right, I'm going to go with it.

There's 21 species of differences with emiladolette. Right? I don't. think we need some species. That's my point. How different can they be? Tell me another one now. All right.

Can I go with, I'll go with stick insect insect. Stick insect. Right. Let's have a look. How many different, okay, how many different types of, how, fuck it now. How many different types of stick insect do you think there are? 30. Okay, there's 17 different ones in Europe alone.

How many different types of stick insects are right? I didn't realize they were native to Europe. I just thought they were one of those things that people would sort of like part. The jungle or something. Right. Right. Right. Listen to this. Right.

This is a fucking good one. Right. So stick insects. Stick insects of the phasmatadilla order. Yeah. Right. How many different types of species? How many different species of stick insects do you think there are?

Right. You said what? 30. I think I said. 6,000 is the answer. They're counting sticks there. They've been tricked. Yeah.

Their camouflage is brilliant. They're just a bit of nightmare there. 6,000 different species of stick. This one's really woody. Still, very still. Never gives birth. Never gives birth. Oh, that's a bit of me, actually.

Do you what I mean? So that's what I'm saying. It's always way more than you think. Yeah. I do like sticking insects. I think you're going to say elephant and there's like only two, isn't there? I think.

That's probably more than that. So most people think there are only two types of elephant. African and Asian, right? And one of them is slightly smaller. So they've started, you know, get there some species in there as well. Yeah, but apparently even that, There are eight different types of elephant.

Right. Okay. Yeah. Depends on you last though, because some people don't say three. But they all die the same way. Right. It's bad, isn't it?

It's bad, isn't it? I need a piano. Yeah. You can't do that anymore. I need a fucking piano. I wonder whether there'll be a situation where, evolutionary speaking, if they last long enough,

they'll just evolve to have no tusk at all. Because it'll be an advantage to not have them. Yeah. I don't know. I think everything's too well managed these days, aren't it? You know what I mean? No. But I just don't think, I just think the ivory trades just kind of,

it's gone really neat, like, underground. And, like, that's not scale, isn't it? There was talk, wasn't there of three, just 3D printing, a load of tusks and flooding the market, wasn't there? Oh, we'd like shit tusks. Yeah. Like popping them on the... So just basically go into it,

because obviously these people are, by their very nature, quite unscrupulous. Yeah. So you just get this stuff out of it. They're also, like, making medicine out of it as well, aren't they? It's not medicine, is it? It's not fucking pissing. It's dust. It's the Chinese making stuff up.

Dust. Dust. Like the old tiger penis. Well, part of the reason that tigers are so endangered is because in some Chinese cultures they believe tiger penis ground up to be an aphrodisiac. Yeah. Which is nonsense.

But, I mean, fair play, at least they've chosen a really dangerous animal to try and kill. That's probably why I chose it. If you went, like, stick in a sec, eyes, really valuable. Got loads of them. A lot of them. Maybe rotate it. Yeah.

Rotate it. Yeah. Well, they do year of the animal, don't they? Yeah. We're into... Chicken, we're in a chicken eggs now. You're the shark, you're the shark fin again. It's bad, isn't it?

Yeah. Anyway, Peter, I wanted to quiz you on some other stuff about your trip to Paris. I didn't get a chance to do on a long show. Because you kind of swerved it a bit by talking about your steak tartar. But there was also some kind of bread roll-based monstrosity that you shared with us. Yeah, I spoke about it. It was the Jamaican. Oh, that was that.

Yeah, that's how poor it was. I didn't even make the connection. No, no. I literally did not make the connection. Yeah. So, fair enough. And then your holiday next week is Barcelona, right? Or this week, as we come out,

because we're doing this early, because you're going on holiday. And you're taking the family? Take the family. Little city break. Little south end city break. And what's your plan while you're there? Because it's going to be February,

so it won't be very warm. Yeah. It's not, I think I just got excited because South End were flying to Barcelona. I was like, should I book this? Just do it. What's the damage on the flights? Well, your entry point is like,

oh, $8.8 per person. And then you're like, How have I spent a thousand pounds on three people's flights? So how have you? It's fucking baggage in it. Do you want to check one suitcase? Yes. There you go.

There's another 300 quid. Absolutely bastard. What's the airline? Easy jet, I think. And so where do you sit on the Michael O'Leary versus Elon Musk feud? Was it, Michael O'Leary wanted, didn't want to use Starlink on their planes. So I think he's sort of made the reasons why you said?

I think he sort of made the argument that. the flights are too short, so there's literally no point. But the reasons he gave actually were aerodynamic drag with the aerials at costing the fuel means of fuel costs more, and he said the type of profile of customer they have won't pay for it anyway. There's no point. But you have internet on the old...

How is that served then? On other planes. Must be 5G, right? No, too high for 5G. It must be... It must be satellite. It must be satellite. It's absolutely crap.

Yeah, it's not very good. Yeah, even the British Airways, where if you sit in business on British Airways, you get free Wi-Fi. Right. The absolute number of caveats is insane. You can use WhatsApp, but only with no photos or links.

Obviously, you can't click a link anyway. Yeah. And you can't really do anything. I know certain hosts of the VGC Video Game podcast that always buys the internet, and then at the end says that it didn't work. And they always gets his money back. Nice hack.

Nice hack. Was it Jordan? Yeah. John's like a bit. John's got a bit of you in you. You win him. Cheeky, naughty little, little gangsters. I love following Jordan on Instagram

because he is a very good follow. Always posts very interesting stuff. A bit too much Pokemon for my like. He's a big Pokemon guy, yeah. That's a big business. What is Jordan like me? People are, they're just, they're... A boundary pusher.

He's bald, he's a boundary push. He just, he just, um, some people, I think, have life unlocked a little bit and they don't worry about stuff. That's nice. They just sort of... Like me? They sort, yeah, I told me about something. You don't really worry about anything.

I just ask for forgiveness rather than permission. Exactly, exactly. So, yeah, the world belongs to people like you and Jordan and not me. So, because I'm a little, timid little man. Why doesn't the world? Why doesn't the world belong to you? I'm a timid little man. How's your small talk going?

It's good. It's not, is it? It's not a good, bad spot. Have you tried any more? I've not really had the truth. Have you been following attraction unleashed on Instagram with Mystery and Bexter? I've seen a little, I've seen the few. I've talked to, yeah.

You can apply a lot of them. their tactics to like just their general conversation. Wasn't their big thing you something last week that we sort of had on his, had a Mickey Mouse watch? The Mickey Mouse watch on his, on his iPhone. Nicebreaker, isn't it? He's got a little Mickey Mouse watch at your present. It goes, it's time to, it's three o'clock.

Yeah. That's actually very good. I'm surprised I get that high. I've got, yeah, I've definitely got something on me. I had a really horrible revelation a while back. My son likes Mickey Mouse, Mickey Mouse Clubhouse on Disney Plus. Weirdly, like, daughter has not got a, didn't have any concept of Mickey Mouse

but they really likes him. We took him on a Disney cruise and that's where he became kind of exposed to it. And on that show, Mickey Mouse talks and I realized at one point he basically talks exactly like Michael Jackson and I just couldn't get out of my head after that.

But anyway, this guy's got a Mickey Mouse watch because he's saying that's a good way of chatting to women. Yeah. It's like... A certain age of women, one might suggest. I mean, the thing is, I'm not saying I know an amazing amount of women, but I do

come into contact a lot with normal women, right? Either through work or through friends or free whatever. And I don't know, I couldn't tell you a single one of them that would be impressed by a Mickey Mouse watch setting on an eye watch. They might entertain your chat

because they think you've had a head injury. Do you know what I mean? Look at my mini-mouse, my Mickey-Mau. Do you know, I go up to, I could straight up to a woman, this is how I met my wife, go straight up to a woman and I say, I've lost 90% of my brain. Ha ha ha. Yeah.

You squirted vinegar at Elon Omar. Yeah. It was actually apple cider vinegar, wasn't it? Was it apple cider vinegar? Someone, what, what is the connection? Because it looked like poo. It looked like wet poo. Someone pointed out that it was actually a really, really unimpressive acid attack.

Yeah, well, I presume that's what everyone thought it was going to be. But I don't know why, why did he choose apple cider vinegar? Ilan Omar's a bit of a bit of a don't really. She squared up for the line. Yeah. Proper jukes up. It was brilliant. You know that.

But so you didn't answer. So you're team O'Leary or team? or team Musk? I'm team O'Leary. The man from MySpace has repaired. Tom from MySpace has reappease.

What's his surname? I think he's just Tom. Tom of MySpace. His surname is from MySpace. His surname is from Myspace, yeah. He's come back and he's a big Trump guy. Oh, really?

Sorry, no, wait, wait. He's a big Musk guy in that. Yeah, that tracks. He has come back and he's sort of says that he's invested in SpaceX. Tom, Tom Anderson, his name is. And all that, Mark.

Because he was the sort of poster boy for making your money and fucking off. And now he's back. And it's like, ah, fuck. I can do without this, to be honest. I mean, we don't need your Tom, to be honest. There's an incredible amount of nostalgia for me, just seeing that Tom from Myspace photo.

Yeah, his little turning around thing, sort of like peeking at him. It was your first friend when you started up a MySpace profile, wasn't he? That's kind of like a quite inert version of what, like, Elon Musk does, where he just puts, whenever you turn on Twitter, it's, uh, it's Elon Musk and, and an astonishing amount of Holocaust denial. Oh, yeah. I think it's not even the fucking boiled frog,

but it's just like, you go on Twitter now and you're like, I've seen three racist posts just straight out of racist posts and one Holocaust denial within, on the first page. That's your algorithm, isn't it? Like when Tommy Robinson did that the other day, you see that?

Oh, the gay stuff, yeah. Well, like you keep getting advertised gay lovers. It's like, well, and then they had to backtrack and say, no, I'm always researching stuff. I bet you are pathetic. But the Tom from MySpace thing is back in the era when, so if you look like this, right,

this is the proper dot-com era to be a part, of yeah because he starts my space off the back of a digital I've got it in front me here of the back of a digital storage company in 2000 right then he starts putting quite rudimentary pages of what becomes my space in August 2003 so it's a rudimentary kind of platform isn't fully realized the social media platform now and he did it because he saw Friendstar which is the one before that as a kind of reaction right so we're on in 2003 now right?

He then starts to develop it over the next six to nine months so you'd say it's a fully formed social media site I don't know, start at 2004, right? In 2005 he sells it for $580 million.

Yeah, that seems law. That seems law for what? For a few years work? Yeah, for a few years work, but I mean, maybe he's run out of money that's why he kept investing in space sex and he's gotten off in the forest. Right.

Yeah, wild. That is, I mean, how and why would one invest in SpaceX because the returns are so long term that it seems to me to be a bit stupid I think when you got that amount of money you probably got a little bit of player money but does that get your flight

what does it get you exactly? Just you know to hang out with a ketamine and a few sessions. I'll tell you the whole, the one who gets away of a lot, I know he gets a fair amount of stick but nowhere near enough stick in my view you can find out who it is after this break.

Right, the person who gets the most doesn't get anywhere near as much stick as he should is Jeff fucking Bezos. Right. Because Musk takes all the fucking gravity. Musk is the Jupiter of the internet solar system of dickheads. Yeah. Right.

He's the Jupiter. Yeah. I would say that Zuckerberg gets a lot because he's so odd, replicant type look in. Yeah. But Bezos stuff is genuinely, horribly sinister behind the scenes. So, for example, outbidding everyone for that Melania film, right? and then laying off 16,000 staff. I thought it was a Netflix

Blanier thing. Made by, no, no, made by... Bezos put the money up for it. Right, okay. Bezos put the money up for it in, after a dinner at Mara Lago

before some, the night before some big announcement. But he, honestly, he is like a shape shifter. Yeah, yeah, but I mean, he's the head of Amazon. I've got no surprises about... But do you think it's enough stick?

Well, he doesn't run a... He's not quite as public. No one seems to notice that his entire job... jawline has changed in about five years, which is interesting for an older man. And he's not quite as public. He doesn't embarrass himself

in public quite as much. So I think people aren't really, and you know, everyone likes their, everyone likes their shit turn up on time, don't they? Yeah. I mean, I'm obviously a hypocrite because I use Amazon and I know it's like, they make it so hard for you, don't they, to not use it.

To not use it, yeah. And also, I just think the stuff he did in the Washington Post was fucking disgraceful. Honestly disgraceful. Well, he keeps laying off staff. He keeps... That's right. Yes, hands off, but also hands on.

He blocked his own editorial board from endorsing Kamala Harris. Yeah. Which is basically just, you know, I mean, it's difficult to put into words how spineless that is, given the Washington Post's tagline

is democracy dies in darkness, right? That's literally the tagline. Yeah. And just over and over again, he just fails every single test of being a completely fucking terrible bloke. Like, he's also got massive conflicts of interest all over the place.

And the thing is, these guys, they know that, and they just don't care because they know that no one's going to hold them to account. Particularly not this administration, right? We shouldn't know what they're up to, really. They should be complete fierce. Like every other sort of billionaire on the planet, that doesn't say anything.

Yeah. They're not, nothing they say is in... It's more what they do than what they say. But, like, I don't need to hear what, A Ketamon, you know, a man who's officer in Ketamin tells me about what he thinks. happened in the war. Yeah.

I mean, I don't, he has no, he's an idiot, he's thoughtless, and he's off his head on drugs. So, a bit rich.

It's very rich, that. Very rich. But he was. He's, yeah, I mean, I mean,

the problem is with people like that, I think I said this to you before, if they're really, really good at one thing that gets them such undeniable success, it seduces them into thinking. They're good at everything else.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So they're just, they're just a pine on stuff. I don't think he's going to get his big trillion dollar payout that he's been expecting. I think his,

and they've changed quite a lot of Tesla stuff recently. They've sort of taken off some self-driving stuff, added some stuff in, and I think he only gets the power if Tesla becomes all automated, sort of self-driving. Yeah, the target's pretty high, aren't there? But put it to one side, my general feeling that it's basically morally obscene

to be a billionaire. There should just be some mechanism in there. to say that you've got to where you've got to, you've done really well, you know, congratulations. The fruits of this labour are basically $999 million. That's fine. You're never going to spend that anymore. All you're doing is credit dynasties

or being problematic with money at that level anyway. And everything that automatically ticks over with share price, stock price, fucking investments, whatever, it's just going to stretch. It's 100% tax. Just build a lot. Yeah, because you can't ever achieve without all that kind of community stuff anyway.

No. It's like people without stepping on next. and bloody, you know, you've used the same tools as everybody else. Do you know what I mean? I don't know if I'll get anywhere with this kind of analogy or this kind of example.

And maybe I'm forgetting something important here and people can pull me up if I am. But when you hear about like the era of say Thatcherism and Thatcherism was terrible for manufacturing and for mining and for all these different industries, which my dad was a part.

And our family was basically eviscerated financially by Thatcher. So I'm not going to, if I can defend it. But the kind of idea that if you work really hard, you can become wealthy, is flawed in many different ways because of different advantages and different privileges and stuff. I get that. But what I'm trying to get at is, I remember my mate's dad saying to me at kind of a party or a wedding, he was like he was like a proponent of Thatcher. He did really well under Thatcher and he felt like he could really achieve things because he, you know, worked with him.

And he was saying, but his understanding of Thatcherism wasn't like we wanted to become so rich, we almost wanted to tear up the entire rule book of humanity. It was just like, yeah, we probably stood on some people and attached you definitely this bad, this harm as well. But like it feels like a whole new scale now. It feels like a scale where it's just like you're doing it just for the sake of it now. But it's with that, coming along with that quite accurate kind of, you know, historically American sort of idea that it's okay to flaunt your wealth at the same time.

Do you know what I mean? I feel like the way they behave is like a bastardization of what the American dream actually is. The American dream, I would argue, the American dream is so powerful because most people in the US actually believe in it. Yeah. So they don't look, they don't grow up in like, yeah, the Marcy Projects in New York and say, oh, Jay-Z, he's, he's a fucking, he's left behind, left us behind, all the rest of it. And they go, if he can do that, we can do that. We can do that. My assessment for whatever it's worth would just be

the fact that there are outliers and fucking exceptions that prove the rule, I mean it's not a great system. But they believe in it. But the point I was just going to make was the American dream doesn't say anything about achieving what you can achieve and become a really successful

through hard work and having a dream and having determination and then just tread on over everyone else to give them much less of a chance of achieving it as well. That's not what it says. No. But that's what they think. They don't give a fuck about anyone else.

There's no, the flaw with the American dream in my view is the current generation of multi-billionaires use it to undermine the next generation who could follow them and that is fucking wrong it's wrong the whole thing is morally obscene yeah that's why I think anyway people don't listen to us for this kind of stuff I do they do um they want to hear about your um slag off some stand-ups yes on list on list um I haven't come across any recently oh I'll tell you what I did fucking love that's a shame I absolutely loved Stuart Lee on Harry Hills podcast yeah has you seen that episode YouTube. I've seen bits of it. So good. There's a moment where

Harry Hill does a joke about a castle. Brilliant. Don't spoiler it though. Top class. I think it's exactly 40 minutes in on the YouTube of that episode. I love the joke. I love the delivery of the joke. I think Harry Hill is one of the finest comedy ones we've ever produced. I love him. And I love how much Stuart Lee loves the joke.

Do you know why? Because it's the absolute anathema to the kind of comedy Stuart Lee does, but he still loves it. Yeah, I don't know. I think I think you sort of see Harry Hill, I think on Letterman back of the day and you sort of go, he does have that quite, I'm doing this and I don't care what anybody thinks.

Yeah. Kind of aspect to Harry Hill and he's always been very respected and he's always been somebody who stood up, I think, for against quite problematic business practices with some agencies back in the day. Nice, good on him.

He would book, when he was doing Harry Hill's like TV show, he'd have standups on and stuff. Yeah. He had a fallen out with, you know, a quite problematic at times agency. And he never, he just said, I'm not booking any guests from this agency. Yeah. Because of the way they treat their people who are on the books and stuff.

So I really respect them. He's also, he's a great, I know he's a great guy because I used to work quite close with Paul Hawksby, who wrote for that show. Right. So he wrote for fantasy football. He wrote for Harry Hill show. Yeah. With Al Murray and stuff.

So I know him to be a good deal. I saw him once at the Batters the Arts. centre is brilliant because it was a work in progress. The share and tear. Oh man. He did about 25 minutes, for those of you don't remember the story. About 25 minutes with a PowerPoint demonstration on whether certain food items were tearing shares or traybakes.

And he was going, getting people to shut him out. And you'd think the last one's coming and he'd go, and we go again. Next one. I couldn't believe how many of them he was finding from all these different supermarkets. They're conducted. And to see him so good on the stage when doing such interesting stuff when he was a very straight down,

he wasn't really straight down the line, but he just managed to sort of, maybe just through his look or the way that he kind of put stuff across. He was, or the projects he chose on ITV and stuff. He was a mainstream act who just still has the,

you know, the vigour and the, you know, he's doing that YouTube now and it's, it's basically, it's really interesting he's doing that on YouTube, the Harry Hill Show now, because that is exactly the kind of thing that 25 years ago, ITV are commissioning that.

But there's no money on TV anymore, right? So he's like, well, I just do it myself. And the production values aren't amazing, but they're not shit. No. And he can get guests because he's so famous, and he knows everyone. And if you were to put that episode on TV,

I would say, I mean, we're only in January, but I would say, it's one of the best episodes of TV I've seen this year. Yeah. That's the standard of it, right? I just think he's a really interesting, because to me, I know that I always get,

you know, you'd have to piss up me for fucking hating on stand-ups. But there is, I think if you were being charitable to me, you would say there is a kernel in the idea that a lot of them are basically just cookie cutter. It's all kind of fairly tame,

observational stuff. Yeah, but you're not going to stand-up shows every... No, but Harry Hill is different is what I'm saying. Yeah, I know that there are different as well. But Harry Hill is the exception

that proves the rule in that, like, he got on telly doing something very different. I mean, at the end of the day, it was a clip show. Like, the things that he makes all of his money out of was Clipshaws, and it was that you being framed and TV, TV burp and stuff, isn't it?

TV, but it's brilliant, though. It's brilliant, but it's a very, but that's a very conventional kind of like, it has that kind of like Chris Tarrant doing the adverts from foreign clients. But it's his observations and his lines that elevate it. Yeah, but, you know, I can't remember who writes, who's the head writer for that. It's, um, I met him once in his piece. I can't remember, but you've all those guys who always been floating around doing, you know, taking the head writer role of TV burp and stuff.

It's the same faces doing the writing in the background. It'll be somebody, it'll be somebody, people are sort of floating around and stuff. So, yeah, I just think you're right about your point about a lack of compromise, because you have to be able to win people over, to be able to do mainstream stuff without compromising at all. Like, if you look at how cantankerous people like Neil Young are,

he's like an exceptional, David Bowie, whatever he just does whatever he wants, but he's still massively famous because the talent is so good. David Quantick. Oh, of course, yeah, yeah, yeah. Didn't care for him. Anyway. Well, on that note, let's sort of. Let's go over here.

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And people, if you were getting in touch with my social media saying, why the fuck haven't you read my battery entry out, you bastard? It's because this crap. Right. Do you know all that for a cell? We know because I see them and I know we've done my million times of course. It would be quite funny that we did the jurorcell. we didn't do yourself.

That would be quite funny. If we've run out of them, we've run out of them. Right. That's what I'm saying. I'm not going to torture our listeners. We're just endless chats of Vinick. Did you do that? I did a little bub.

I didn't mean to. It was a Pete Donaldson TV burp. It was a little TV burp. Sorry, everyone. It wasn't it full out of the mouth. It was a out of the depths into my throat. Out of the soul. Yeah, just look like.

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