The Luke and Pete Show - World Class Basics

Episode Date: November 2, 2023

Pete “skipped through” the UFO documentary that Luke recommended. That’s pretty good going for Donny, to be fair.Today, the lads discuss that and they also disagree over the legacy of Michael Parkinson. Plus, we encourage one of our listeners to listen to The Luke and Pete show during the birth of their child.Want to get in touch with the show? Email: [e-mail] or you can get in touch on Twitter or Instagram: @lukeandpeteshow.We're also now on Tiktok! Follow us @thelukeandpeteshow. Subscribe to our YouTube HERE. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Go back to school with Rogers and get Canada's fastest and most reliable internet. Perfect for streaming lectures all day or binging TV shows all night. Save up to $20 per month on Rogers Internet. Visit rogers.com for details. We got you. Rogers. It's the LocoPetra. I'm Pete Donaldson. I'm joined by Mr. Luke Emo.

Last week on the show, we spoke about all kinds of stuff, really. Me and a lady who said she was too overweight to get in her own car. Luke spoke passionately about US politics and we also heard about a man who faked his own kidnapping to see a sex worker. One-upping the canoe man in every stretch you can imagine, Luke. Yeah, and the person who faked their own kidnapping to see a sex worker, just to be clear, because you start at that point off

by talking about what we'd been doing. That wasn't one of us. Could have been one of Stack. Could have been one of Stack. Could have been someone at Stack. Well, you're stitching yourself up there, because if it was going to be someone at Stack, it would be you. Oh, looky me. How have you been, man?

Pretty good. Not too bad. A couple of illnesses in the camp, but we're back on the mend now. The changing of the seasons has brought on one of many to come biblical plagues on all of our houses because of the sins that we live every day. And because we don't accept our Lord and Saviour, Jake Humphrey. Yeah. I mean, in many ways, Jesus was the first high performance deity, really. Definitely the world class basics.

He rose and grind at 3 a.m. every morning, worked out at the gym. You don't get those abs taking half measures on the cross. And, yeah, he would just be up doing miracles left, right, and centre for him, his family, and his brood. World-class basics doing those miracles, isn't it? I like to think when he turned water into wine at that party and everyone was like fucking yes jesus that's a

fucking great trick he's up on the table just go world-class basics world-class basics these are basics these are basics um looky mo we um spoke about um a little bit telly uh last week on the show and and we'll get on to um have you watched any of the TV shows I said you should watch that we could talk about? Well, Lukey Moore, I did skip through that TV show about the UFO. I skipped through. Well, I watched it and I was like, yeah, alright, I've got this.

I've got a handle on this. I'll tell you what, one of the most beautifully shot bits of tat I've watched recently. It's really nicely put together. Isn't it quite easy to put together a um it's quite easy to put together a documentary stage because you've got the drones involved yeah that's probably a drone establishing shot every few minutes isn't it it was probably just tested somebody testing out some drone i mean good god can you imagine how many um because have you ever sort of been somewhere that you've not expected a drone to

appear and then a drone appears like yeah it's quite eerie it's quite scary if you've not expected a drone to appear and then a drone appears. It's quite eerie. It's quite scary. If you are not expecting to see a drone, what the hell is that? And it's actually quite disconcerting. So I think UFO viewings, sightings are going to go up exponentially. Yeah, I see what you're saying. I know what you mean. What do you...

What episodes did you actually watch? Oh, I didn't watch. I only watched the Fukushima one. Okay, and what did you think of it? Oh, I didn't watch. I only watched the Fukushima one. Okay. And what did you think of it? Because that's episode four of four. Right. What did you think of it?

Well, this is what you do to me, really, because you sort of say, watch this one episode, and now you're trying to couch. If I slag it off, you're going to go, well, you haven't watched the other three. No, but they're separate standalone episodes anyway.

Yeah. That's what I thought. It doesn't matter. I thought you might be interested because you like Japanese things. Oh, that was beautiful. I think what I liked about it... Should we explain what actually happened

to some people who haven't seen it? Okay, do you want to do that or do you want me to? If you missed the big Tohoku earthquake, there was a big earthquake off course and it killed an astonishing amount of people in the Sendai area. In 2011.

In 2011. And they've only just kind of recovered those kind of communities because it was such a devastating blow to some quite rural farmers, fishermen, and just, you know, general people kicking around. They lost so many people in there. And I've actually visited the area a couple of times and uh yeah i mean just just the i think the most harrowing part of it like so we went out with some fishermen and you look back onto the bay and there was actually on

the tree line there was like um boat floats you know like um like little boys um in the trees from 2011 even like 10 years later, because the water was so high, it obviously went over the trees. And some of the stories of teachers taking their kids onto a bridge that they thought was safe and just wiping out an entire school worth of children, it's just, you know, it was... Yeah, so 20,000 people died.

It was a 9.1 magnitude on the Richter scale. So it was a big, big earthquake. Caused a huge tsunami as well, of course. And that's the background to this episode of Encounters where the talk is among several different sources and quite a lot of sources actually that ahead of the earthquake and the tsunami and around it and after it,

there were quite strange bright lights spotted around the power plant. And so that's the kind of scene that they paint and they speak to a lot of survivors and a lot of witnesses and stuff. It does seem strange. The thing about it is, and I said this to you before

when I said you should watch it, I'm not saying there's loads of stuff happening. I'm not ascribing anything to it because I don't know. All I'm not saying there's loads of stuff's happening i'm not i'm not ascribing anything to it because i don't know all i'm just saying is that you know i think i mentioned it before people get convicted of very serious crimes based on four or five eyewitness accounts right it doesn't even need to be in physical evidence sometimes this is a similar thing except there are far more people witnessing it so it does feel to me like the stigma around it needs to be removed and people who actually know about this stuff need

to be able to study this without fear or favor and work out exactly why why it's happening and even if it's just happening on the level of the brain um and it's some kind of it's still fascinating forewarning system for people's under stress whatever. I don't know. It just does seem very, very odd. And the way they made that episode around Fukushima is they tapped into folklore, didn't they, and traditions and why people feel the way they feel about certain things in Japanese culture. I just thought it was quite an interesting thing.

I think I've seen a couple of episodes of, oh, what was it called? It was like a ghost documentary, basically. And obviously ghost sightings and people, communities who sort of were grieving after such a horrific, you know, as you said, 20,000 people, you know, losing their life in the ensuing kind of tsunami in the earthquake itself. ensuing kind of tsunami in the earthquake itself. I think with something like that, obviously, when there's been a massive kind of like, you know, shocking development like that,

people are going to sort of like look for answers, I think. And obviously you said that the lights were spotted before the actual earthquake itself. And I can't speak to that. But I always sort of think with Japanese people, they seem very sort of in tune with the environment. They seem kind of very in tune with... They're not overtly religious, but they're very, very spiritual people.

And I just always think with sort of documentaries like that, it's sort of lovely to see these people who can deal with such horrific situations. And I don't know like it's like their kind of rationale and the couple of people they spoke to were sort of like well maybe the um the ufo sort of arrived to help us with the radiation you know after the after the event and stuff maybe they were there to save us and i really like that kind of outlook you know what i mean like to be in so so in tune with the environment and sort of know that kind of outlook, you know what I mean? To be so in tune with the environment

and sort of know that even after a shocking event like that, the environment will take care of you as it's taken care of your forefathers like so many generations before. They don't just sort of go, oh my God, look at this. They sort of go, what can we learn about this? Maybe they're helping us. Maybe there are bigger things at play and stuff

and it's a lovely way to live, I think i think yeah it's amazing to show such hope and clarity in in such a devastating situation for sure i mean that that earthquake and then soon tsunami was crazy though i mean like was it eight meters high in some places the wave and then there was there were two meter waves in chile 11 000 miles away yeah which is just crazy to think of yeah i think um i visited a church sort of hall i think you know these community centers that are right out um in the middle of nowhere um and i visit this kind of um place where people sort of get married and you know have like kind of events for the um older sort of elderly people in in in the group and i think they happen to be having some kind of event on the day of the tsunami and they it was like a five floor sort of building um and they

took everyone all the elderly people onto the roof and even on the roof it was kind of like knee level but they managed to save like a hundred people um due to the um the head the bloke who sort of managed and ran the facility he was sort of ex-naval and he was like this isn't you know we need you know we need to make you know take action now because people would just count completely lost but um yeah he said he personally served like so many old people, sort of dragging them onto the roof. How much notice did people get then? I only think it was like half an hour or something and then their entire sort of town was just absolutely done in.

It was absolutely incredible. That's frightening. But, you know, it's heartening to sort of spend a bit of time out there, like seeing the community kind of pick things up, like start new businesses, you know, the seaweed farming is a big big deal out there and stuff and um uh you know claims and stuff like that so it's it's a it's it's a big sort of spot for kind of like almost like eco-tourism um sort of setting

up right there um obviously in the shadow of uh what could have been a really nasty um nuclear disaster and it's a nuclear situation that is ongoing. They're having to sort of dump loads of water into the Japanese sea or the waters around Japan, much to the chagrin or demonstrative kind of like orchestrated shock of China who would never, who have cancelled all fishing ports from Japan saying that they would never

because China never never polluted it but it was a good little doc it was a good little doc, I enjoyed the episode What would you think the explanation was then? I don't know man, there's always some bloody reason for it in there 9 times out of 10 but

the white spots in the sky, like, I mean, it did seem weird, but, you know, I mean, a load of weather balloons? I don't bloody know. Cloud formations? Why don't you want to believe? It's not cloud formation, is it? So, for those who haven't seen it,

it's a load of, like, bright lights moving in weird ways, assembling together around the same time. And I don't know whether the timing of it is like a load of like bright lights moving in weird ways assembling together around the same time and i don't know whether the timing of it is like a red herring or whatever but ultimately the reality is through this four-part documentary series of which each you know episodes unrelated really as i've said there's a load of weird shit happening right and no one knows what's happening and no one knows why it's happening. And as I said to you already, the stigma around investigating this kind of stuff, every single mainstream respected scientist who decides to go and have a look at this stuff is just completely immediately ostracized and made out to be some mad crank or whatever, which, you know. Because most of the time the footage is the footage, anyone who's got a bit about them sort of looks at the footage and sort of goes all right well that's the you know the parallax effect or that's

this or it could be that you know there's there's a million different reasons for why you know there's a million different reasons to doubt you know even not to doubt the person who's got the camera in their hand rather than the um rather than the actual thing itself. So, like, you know, I just think there's all... What's to stop, like, I don't know, some reflections from the sea going into the sky in some kind of weird kind of, like, prism effect in the same way we get a rainbow? Like, what are the...

But like you say, not enough people are kind of investigated because the sort of people who talk about it are labelled kooks. Yeah, and I think I want to thank you first and foremost for indulging this because I know you hate it. I know you hate it. Well, look, we're just two sides of a coin, aren't we, really? Yeah. Or is that too close?

Is the proxy too close? I think if you watch the other episodes, it does build a picture. And it builds a picture of different types of experiences, which may or may not be related. And the series doesn't take any measures to link them, really. There's loads of like, there's loads, like I say, the most compelling thing for me is just that on a basic level, on a human level, really, I mean, the episode, I think it's episode that on a basic level on a human level really i mean that the episode i

think it's episode two or three of the south as the zimbabwean school where there's loads of kids and loads of teachers interviewed like independently about stuff they've seen and it's just it's just overwhelmingly compelling the amount of people i mean the very idea that you could orchestrate like 35 kids or about 10 to all say exactly the same thing. But I mean, is this lab level kind of isolation, kind of like check your stories? It's a good question. Or is it a collective mania that school children experience all of the time? That's fair. But I've not watched it.

It's a good question. The guy who interviews them all is quite a prominent psychiatrist called John Mack, who was the chair of psychiatry at Harvard at the time, who went over there because he was so fascinated by it. The conclusion he came to was that he couldn't pick up any evidence that the people who experienced this were lying, as in they weren't displaying the behaviours that suggested they were lying. But obviously he wasn't then saying, so this must be true.

He just must be saying that it could be unknown. That they believe it. Yeah, they believe it to be true. Then he was killed in the car crash. So I don't think anyone can really... Let's investigate that. Let's investigate that. Apparently that was a kind of open and shut drunk driver hit him when he was walking down the street,

really sadly. Some people later on have said that they weren't sure his um his methods were were studious enough or forensic enough but then um harvard tried to remove him for even doing it and he got reinstated so i don't really know anyway it's called encounters it's on netflix you should watch it if you have any interest in this whatsoever because i do think it's starting to become maybe even one of the most interesting part issues of our time chiefly because we now know so much about so much that

it's quite rare to find anything that's completely unexplained and it happens so often and like i say a part of me thinks it might just be solid solipsistic in nature as in people are just it's at the level of the brain in some way because a lot of childhood memories for example are notoriously unreliable aren't they that's why like historic kind of child abuse cases and stuff are very very difficult to prosecute

because a large percentage of childhood memories are false or imagined or whatever and so there's definitely an element of that but it would be good to know why this phenomenon keeps happening and with a lack of kind of real physical evidence for it i suppose it's all just circumstantial and i i the big problem i have with it is the thing that you touched on before which is just the idea that and you would know this more than me but i still certainly feel it is that you have the amount of high quality recording equipment around the world

now the prevalence of that, yet we don't really seem to get anything decent on people's, even on their iPhones or people's fucking gear. It just doesn't seem to happen with the exception of that kind of military stuff that came out a few years ago. And also like, I guess you are,

I think I spoke about it before, but Samsung did that kind of super zoom where you can zoom on the moon zoom at the moon take a picture and it has this beautifully crystal clear picture of the moon except it isn't it's figuring out where you are

what time it is what the moon would look like to you and has looked like to you on every day for the past five billion years well they just superimpose it just superimpose it on the top like AI like kind of just went right

and so we are and and you know google lens and all of these kind of like pocket um uh you know truth monitors are becoming compromised by the use of um at source kind of photoshopping in my opinion i i will say that like um it's that tv show is well worth a watch because it's fucking beautiful and also like what i um i've sort of noticed quite a lot of these docs and it is quite interesting that like if you put a person in a room with uh formal clothes or business clothes in a science lab or a facility looking background, they automatically become an authority. And I know it's very simplistic and I know this has been used since time dot

and I realise that it's just shorthand for I am a professional. I work in these facilities and this and that. But I've been watching it. I mean, Sarah's been watching a TV show called Uncanny with is it Tom Robbins on BBC 2 it's Danny Robbins isn't it Danny Robbins

Danny Robbins yeah the podcast series first of all which I quite like yes and so are you team believer or team sceptic

I mean for me I mean it's a load of all straight I mean it just is it's a load of all straight but and it's the first kind of proper BBC podcast television effort, and it's a load of bullshite.

But the motifs that they use, it's a really cheap... I mean, it's a podcast and TV adaptation. There's three scenes, and I reckon they've all been filmed over two days possibly there's a pub where he talks to uh an expert on on ghosts uh and an expert on being a skeptic um and there's a room where they interview the person who's seen the ghost uh which is this kind of like big hall um probably like a bbc facility or like an old an old um theater or something and then you've got um uh danny robbins's um shed so it's just really cheap stuff but the motifs that they use

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shot like it's he saw it the the sort of set is sort of saying this is ad hoc this is diy this is more important than the other investigations you've seen before because it's so diy and it's so kind of like these things in your mind almost subconsciously right yeah and so you've got the camera and we never see footage from the camera because it's a point to shoot and they probably wouldn't film with that they'll be filmed with a you know a decent a decent lad but behind the scenes but and and you know robbins is sort of dipping out and going wow just how do i take a break there because uh because he got a bit intense to sort of give everyone a break and uh well i can't believe and he just you know and it's all a performance

and it's all you know for my taste I think you I think you know how I feel about it but it's well you have quite a hard time

dealing with reality as it presents itself I don't trust reality yeah I don't exactly so this is like a whole fucking new ball game you know

I totally understand that but it's but it's I think it's disappointing that it's like only, I think, podcaster TV adaptation that I think the BBC have done. And it's a ghost podcast, for one, which I have very little time for. I kind of get that.

I listened to the podcast series. I think it might have been originally on the radio as well. Right. Radio 4, maybe. I quite liked it. I thought it was quite the here's the thing though and i know you're not saying this but just my i haven't seen this this show but my feeling would just be that there's sometimes in fact quite regularly i think a category definition error between like what is capable of what's possible of audio and what's possible with vision i think the reason that

danny robbins's show the podcast version is good is because you as possible with audio and what's possible with vision. I think the reason that Danny Robbins' show, the podcast version, is good is because you, as ever with audio, particularly in that type of subject, you paint the pictures yourself. You imagine what's happening. There's a brilliant episode of that show where he's in some old bothy up in rural Scotland. He's apparently haunted and he goes there

and he records a load of tape and a load of atmosphere and he gets people to tell their kind of eyewitness stories and everything. And it's fucking chilling. It was absolutely chilling. But I think in the same way that, you know, remember when Ricky Gervais' podcast used to be really great and then they put it on to cartoons on Channel 4

and it was just a bit fucking, a bit crap because like... Four years too late and if you're a fan of that you will have listened to it anyway. And you're being anchored, you're being anchored by these weird Hanna-Barbera cartoons.

But it's always, it's always what people do. It's always what people sort of go, and I'll get someone to animate it. Why? Yeah. Why? We've done a bit of that

and it didn't work either. Look, I think on the subject matter of what you're talking about with Danny Robbins, that's a BBC show called Uncanny, in case you guys listening didn't hear around the first time around. I'm always super sceptical about ghosts and that kind of thing, but just because I think a lot of it is quite easily explained. You know, lots of it is explained by the environment.

Lots of it is explained by the evolutionary benefit of of imagining things that aren't there i mean this is something that's kind of been imbued in in the human brain for hundreds of thousands of years i've read quite a lot about it but surely that but surely this is but surely ufos are just this but further away it's a ghost over there you know what they say um solar power is just nuclear power from a safe distance right but but the the um now maybe there is an element of that maybe so so clearly some of the some of the some of the basics here are definitely transferable because if you are you know we are evolutionary beings that have grown up in the way we've grown up and it is clearly beneficial for us to imagine seeing

things predators dangers in the darkness sometimes that aren't there. It's much more, even if you don't know anything about evolution, you can understand that it would be beneficial for a species to be more careful than not, right? That's basically what it is. And that uncanny episode I talked about with the bossy up in Scotland, I read a load of stuff around it afterwards. What it was is some kind of,

it was something to do with some really high electromagnetic field or something which made people's bodies react in a certain way which they then interpreted as like their spines being chilled.

Bothies are spooky anyway. You know what I mean? Like bothies are cool and spooky. No one ever sees a ghost during the day, right? No, no. Even though, even though there's a lot more light

and you'd be much more likely to see it. And then there's also that thing, isn't there, that Professor Brian Cox does where he deconstructs ghosts as not really actually able to obey the laws of physics and therefore not be possible. So there's lots of different things like that. I happen to think, though,

the element that you put in with, like, unidentified flying objects or whatever it may be is just that the universe is so observably vast that, you know, you can't really rule anything out. And I guess the kind of evidence in opposition to that is that I wonder if people were seeing UFOs and doing cave drawings of them back in the day or whatever. Because if they weren't,

it seems to be a bit of a modern phenomenon. It's interesting when you see photographs of UFOs from the 70s. The UFOs are basically like a 70s vehicle. Yes. You know what I mean? They're very much of their time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, it's almost like a future sci-fi thing.

So anyway, I will check out an episode of Uncanny because I did really enjoy the podcast and I think Danny Robbins is quite an emotive and interesting present oh I mean it's all about him and and it sounds I mean I you know I'm

watching it and I know a load of people who are also watching it some of them through through gritted teeth you know more or less than me but it's it's clearly going to be a

bit of a hit and we'll clearly see another season I think it's it's clearly going to be a bit of a hit and we'll clearly see uh another season i think there's only like three or four episodes or something but uh it's it's just um that whole world is is intrinsically funny and um yeah there's just so many there's so many spots where they could have done something funny and but because it's a sort of like reverential kind of ghostly romp um you uh you you they don't bother like there's a moment there's the the ghost um um lady who's very into ghosts who believes ghosts who has presumably got some kind of um qualification in ghost knowing about ghosts

um she's this kind of like um a scottish woman but there is no qualification possible is there i mean well i think there's there's probably like kind of like um sort of quasi-scient this kind of like a Scottish woman. But there is no qualification possible, is there? Well, I think there's probably like kind of like sort of quasi-scientific kind of, you know, next to ghost on time. You know what I mean? There's probably something. Like in Bill Murray? Yeah, like chartered surveying, but for ghosts.

I don't know. But it's kind of like she's kind of like, it's a Scottish woman, sort of like Betty Page kind of like vintage dress lady. And there's a moment where this woman is walking down the street and I think the shop that she's, suddenly it turns into Goodnight Sweetheart and the shops in front of her sell like old lady 50s dresses. And John Robbins, what's his name?

Danny Robbins. Danny Robbins at that point could go you would have bloody loved that he doesn't he doesn't fucking do it

he doesn't fucking do it that's not acceptable that's unforgivable it's unforgivable it's terrible but I and he

and so there's this team sceptic and team believer and the team believer lady she's the she's this ghost lady and they're just doing it recording it in a pub

round the corner from the BBC they've hired up the how how many how many clip shows how many interviews do you see in central london w1d pub function rooms like there are so many they're just like give the landlord 70 quid we're gonna record i've recorded millions in them. Video games saved my life. I've interviewed David Hobb, I've had a top in one. Exactly. All that toss, right? You get your lights set up.

You try and time it with people rolling barrels into the pub and you sort it out like that. But in this case, they will have had to change clothes about three or four times, which is very humorous. Because it would have just been a day's booking

and maybe I'm just a bit too behind baseball. But you're a bit annoyed by the production values rather than the show itself. I think I can be both. I think. Okay. It's not PC exclusive. I think it's quantum dissatisfaction. I would happily go

to any of these haunted places or UFO hotspots with you Pete Donaldson. Luke who's been on a ghost hunt recently? I have. Until three o'clock in the morning. Yeah, that's boring. That's boring. It's too late.

If the ghosts aren't going to fucking do their bit, then I don't think you should be expecting that. They've got nothing on. There's absolutely nothing going on. They should be able to do it quicker than that. Yeah. Whittling around. I will check that show out just to see if it's any good.

You'd like it because it's spooky. You like spooky stuff. So can I just bring something else into the mix that I meant to talk to you about before? Because obviously this show's coming out on Thursday, but we're recording it on Halloween, so a couple of days before. So I guess it is personal. So lots of people will know, and I'm sure you will know, Pete, about that show that came out in 1992, Halloween 1992, called Ghostwatch.

Yes. Was that the one with Yvette Fielding? Or was that a different one? I think you're thinking of Sarah Green. Right, okay. Who's a similar kind of Yvette Fielding type, but potentially... She died recently, didn't she? Because her husband died ages ago. She used to fly helicopters. Did she die recently?'t she because her husband died ages ago

she used to fly helicopters did she die recently Sarah Green yeah she's not dead alright is her partner dead

from helicopters what are you doing he used to fly helicopters he used to own a helicopter company and I think they had a bad crash

I feel like I'm challenging a ghost here I think they had a bad crash and I think he died it bad crash I feel like I'm talking to a fucking I feel like I'm challenging a ghost here I think they had a bad crash and I think he died it doesn't matter it does not matter I'm just saying because he's a ghost now

isn't he Mike Smith was her husband he passed away in 2014 I don't know if he flew helicopters just leave it he did but it was also hosted by Craig Charles

and more importantly for reasons I bet he's seen some crack spiders before. Yeah, for reasons that will become important later on, Michael Parkinson, fucking Michael Parkinson. Bloody hell.

So anyway, in a big jacket. For those of you, for those of you who aren't in the country, and who don't know about this, because you're too young, or you didn't come across it, whatever.

In 1992, BBC made a show called Ghostwatch. And it was back when the BBC could do really brave and quite interesting stuff that everyone kind of loved, I suppose, because they didn't know what to expect. So Ghostwatch was put out on Halloween of 1992, and it was designed to be an earnest, real documentary about the country's most haunted house right and so it featured

people um broadcasting at like like news reporters outside the house it had a studio element it had interviewees who lived in the house who were kind of suffering from this ghost all of whom were actors but no one knew that and the ghost um that was talked about in there they admit the people who lived in the house was called pipes because he used to um make a lot of noise and um the the parents of the house um would tell the children it was just the pipe so they would just end up referring to it as pipes so it's fucking chilling i watched i watched a good part of it a while back it's chilling right and anyway the whole thing was fake it was a mockumentary thing but they had thing they even went the detail of having like

a phone in line so people could call in they'd seen ghosts and loads of people were doing it but um it went out on prime time on bbc one at halloween for an hour and a half yeah and the end bit pete which people don't talk about the final bit of it um when it all starts to go a bit wrong and no one knows what's happening and then they try and use pipes tries to do like a nationwide seance with everyone right it ended with the doyen of fucking chat show presenting michael parkinson agreeing somehow to be the only person left in the studio after everyone has fleed, and he starts wandering around the studio possessed by pipes.

And I feel like more people should know about it. It's Michael Parkinson, and no one talks about it. But he played the role acting as a man being possessed by a ghost in an abandoned darkened BBC studio. I just think that National Treasures... Oh, but what about that Billy Connolly thing he did? We've all seen that! Well, that's the thing. When he died, obviously, everyone was very...

I never got him, really. I'm very reverential. I never got his... I know you were a big fan, but I just never got his... his interview style. That Helen Mirren clip was a bit rough and and I never got his like him being he was a national treasure because he just did the job for such a long time you know I never got his style down I didn't think he did anything different to anyone else

I think that's a bit of a spicy take to be honest you reckon yeah I think I think but I'm not doing it for effect I just genuinely believe that I just never i was maybe not an intentional spicy cake but it's a spicy cake either way either way jalapenos got into the recipe somehow all right yeah definitely and hello fresh did not write it down on this recipe card i always use hello fresh by the way i do too actually yes are they sponsoring us at the moment uh not at the moment but you know i'll give them a personal um uh high five um i think i've lost about three pounds using it. I've lost nothing. But I love their fucking recipes.

I keep adding a big stick of butter in. Because most weeks we'll have three or four takeaways. You can move on to this HelloFresh as much as you want, but you're not getting away with this Michael Parkinson take. I'm going to come back to it. Fine. I think the Helen Mirren thing is obviously regrettable. And he shouldn't have said it.

And she has said what she said about it, and people can look it up. And obviously I'm not defending it, but it was of its time, shall we say. What I would say, though, is in today's environment, we have to be pretty careful. There's one incident in like a 55-year career. Yeah, fine.

All right, well, but taking that completely apart, can you remember a memorable thing that he made happen? Do you know what I mean? Things happened on the show, but did he make any of those things happen? Did we get any? He was just very still, and he didn't really react to any of those things happen? Did we get any? He just, he was just very still and he just, he didn't really react to any of the questions.

He just sort of like. I think his style, so here's the thing. His style of interviewing was, I think, so the first thing I would say is that he was certainly clever enough to do every different type of interview. And if you look at the state of primetime TV now compared to then it's very highbrow in comparison and he was able to maneuver around that and never be out of his depth on that and he could do billy connelly where he just sit

there cracking up and he could do there's episodes of parkinson where he's doing like stuff with quite high level kind of psychiatrists about the effects of the Holocaust on the Jewish community. So there's a lot of quite high-brow stuff that he's able to do. And then the second thing, which I would interpret as confidence and the sign of a great broadcaster, maybe you don't, and that's kind of fair enough, this bit I've been about to say is subjective, is that he's able to let people just do their thing

and gently guide them rather than interrupt them all the time. The thing I don't like, possibly because of my age, possibly because I'm cantankerous, the thing I don't like is that, you know, I can think of so many examples now. Zane Lowe used to be terrible for it. Richard Herring is terrible for it on his podcast. There's many others.

It's like, let's get someone famous on and then i can tell you what i think about them it's like but it's not the point the point is to to if you're going to be brave enough to get someone on who's done something extraordinary or has got an extraordinary thing to tell i mean it brings us back full circle to jake humphrey at the start of this right he gets great guests but he's still a complete fucking knob he's still he's still um somehow tries to relate everything back to himself and i don't think that's what parkinson did and i think people yearn for that time because maybe it was a time where he guests would be allowed to breathe on

these types of shows and um and it was more interesting because of it and i think also the reason we don't have those types of shows as much now in that style is because they are satisfied by things like podcasting now and there are people out there who do it really well i think parkinson was good i think he was never out of his depth i think he was a very very confident charming um interviewer and presenter and that's why people like him i guess i mean maybe it's the the art of it pete is making people like you think oh well he doesn't actually really do anything but you notice him when he's not there because the stuff other people do

is terrible in comparison. Because they get people to do, like, dumb stuff. You know, he is part of the furniture and he's part of our nostalgia and he's part of... But I think things... So you think there's an only falls-on-horses element to it

where you're like, it's a natural... Yeah, again, you know what I'm like. You know what I'm like. Anything in that kind of... I just hit the BBC. Defund it. Awful. All right, we've got to take a break.

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Lukey Mill, do you want to kick us off with the first one, or shall I do it? You normally do it, because I normally do it, don't I? I know what it is, don't I? I don't know whether they've been submitted before, Pete. That's how this works. Always the same. All right, then.

Mark says, hey, looky Pete, I was putting together a new exercise bike I got, and the monitor had these beauties for powering it up. I present to you, U-R-I-N, super heavy duties. U-Y-U-R-H-I-N-E, U-R-I-N-E, super heavy duties. Is that a joke? Because when you say it out loud, it's U-R-I-N-E? Yeah, I mean, to be honest, as I said that the third time, that's when I got the joke.

But yeah, apparently, when I saw the name of Cards and I, I had a good old chuckle, considering I have the sense of humour of a 12-year-old. I hope my first battery submission will be a win. Love the pod. Mark from the Bay Area. U-R-I-N-E, I've never heard that submission will be a win. Love the pod. Mark from the Bay Area. You, Ryan, I've never heard that. We would have giggled about it before.

Well done, Mark, for an almost definite new player. Oh, you're calling it, are you? Yeah, I'm calling it. I'm calling it, baby. You're right to call it. Lovely stuff. He's a new player. It took me a while to work it out because I realised after about five minutes

that I was looking in the Football Ramble email drop-off. Very little battery content. Yeah, very little battery content. Well done to you, Mark. And the Bay Area is... I was listening to a podcast, speaking of interviewers, I was listening to a podcast the other day and it was James Hetfield, lead singer of Metallica,

on Joe Rogan, and that was a dirty word to say around these here parts but um it was interesting because james hetford was talking about how he moved out of the bay area to um vale colorado and because because his neighbors complained that he kept going out hunting and bringing back big animals on the front of his truck. Surely if you've got enough, I mean, how are they seeing that? They're the Kavali motherfuckers, by the way. Nice, love it.

How are they kind of like, surely you've got a big enough house to accommodate? Well, he was basically saying that like, the community where he lived around there was very diverse and he loved that. And he said that he loves where he lived around there was very diverse. And he loved that. And he said that he loves technology and he loves all this other stuff. James Hetfield's basically like an ultimate American dad, right?

He loves his kids. He loves the outdoors. He loves fiction things. He loves hunting. He's quite old-fashioned. He's got a bit of libertarianism about him, et cetera, et cetera. But he's very, very clear and quick to point out in, because he worked in the music industry for so long

and he's a creative type, he's also very quick to point out all the time that he doesn't judge anyone. He's absolutely cool with what anyone wants to do. He wants to do what he wants to do. Let them do what they want to do. It's fine. He loves the technology in his mobile phone.

He loves all this other stuff, but he says, it's just not for me. And here's why it's not for me, because these guys want you to be diverse in the way that they're diverse and i think i want to be diverse in the way that i want to catch all my own food and eat organically and keep bees in my garden and hunt my own meat and all this kind of stuff and uh no one else wants to let me do it including my kids so i moved to colorado where that's acceptable yeah i don't i don't i find um joe rogan to be a truly awful interviewer by the way um he doesn't do any research half the time he's just sort of like asking someone

to pull something up on youtube or pull something up on that like and it's just like do the show mate do it after the thing he did with Hetfield which I found fucking unforgivable given that Hetfield is like one of the good song that good album

album song Unforgiven it's an Unforgiven 2 quite good and Unforgiven 3 not very good as well oh dear

even when Unforgiven 2 came out there people were saying this isn't good like so at least that reputation that has kind of improved over the years because they knew where they could go came out there people saying this isn't good like so at least the the that reputation that um that has kind of improved over the years yeah because they knew where they could go with under given

how bad they could be from the consensus on the reload album but that's another story anyway but one of the things that roe could do which i thought was just fucking farcical and i can't believe no one i mean maybe people did i don't know um he um. He says to Hetfield about his most recent record, which is like a 2016 interview with the 2016 record come out. So I think it's probably Death Magnetic, which is like heavy and widely panned for its production merits. But Rogan goes on this big old fucking monologue at the start about how he loves Metallica because he used to like Aerosmith

and then at one point Aerosmith just started doing ballads and he couldn't deal with that. And he loves that Metallica are still really hard and they still do thrash metal and stuff. But completely ignoring the fact that Metallica, famously their most successful record, has got ballads all over it. Ballad, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, and so Hetfield was obviously a bit awkward about it, just didn't mention it. But it just seemed like a pretty unforgivable way to start an interview. Surely you should know a little bit about what's going on if you're going to be interviewing the guy. But I guess Rogan's defence would be that he's a one-man industry himself, right?

So he don't fucking care. Yeah, and he'll probably say that that is, you know, not knowing anything about the guest is kind of the way to be. There's a benefit to that in principle, but I think you need to know the basics. Well, especially because like, especially because whenever you interview someone, they, you know,

when you interview someone, people who are coming to, they're not interested in you. They're not interested in, they want you, you're an avatar, you're a vessel for their questions. And so when you,

when they think you're getting it wrong, and even when you're not getting it wrong when you when they think you're getting it wrong and even when you're not getting it wrong they'll say that you're getting it wrong um the if you're disrespectful to the to the yeah it's it it's a it's a fine line it's very difficult to um to hold that but um i would say rogan just you know he just doesn't give a shit legalize it um let's uh let's uh give us a couple of emailed batteries. Good day, the little Pete. I present to you Vselect. Found this beauty at my local supermarket,

which is confusingly spent valour, but is pronounced barrow, barrow. Vselect barrow. A very mid battery. Hardly powers my Wii remote. It's good that Andrew from Japan is still using a Wii remote. Yeah, so he sent a picture of, yeah, that's weird. He sent a picture of the battery in question.

And some imported Yorkshire tea as well. Big box of Yorkshire tea. Yeah, lovely. Which I personally find too strong, but that's also another story. Vselect are also new players. We've not had them before. Yeah. What were you saying?

I said put some more milk in. I can't put more milk than I already do.. Put some more milk in. We've not had them before. Yeah. What were you saying? I said put some more milk in. I can't put more milk in. They already do. You cannot put more milk in. Yorkshire teabags are fucking strong. Are they? Particularly? You don't really drink much tea, do you?

I drink Earl Grey and Lapsang if I'm feeling cheeky. God, you wouldn't get that in Hartlepool, mate. No. No, you wouldn't. Yes, lads, says Josh, long-time suffering Derby County fan and primary school teacher based in East London. First time emailing in after listening for the last two years.

I found these bad boys in a box for a TENS machine for my 38-week... Who's a 38-week-year-old pregnant girlfriend? 38 weeks pregnant girlfriend. Hope you're both well. Thanks for the laughs. You've been great company for us throughout our pregnancy journey. Stick one on in the delivery room.

Stick one on in the delivery room, Josh. Come on. Come on. Nine times out of ten I'll be doing a joke about knobs and willies and... We had a tens machine when my wife was pregnant and we never actually used it. Never once used it. Get it on your abs like the

Cristiano Ronaldo machine. It's the same thing, isn't it? We gave it away to our neighbours. Oh. I don't think it's the worst. Here's the gift of an electrical shock. What gift? She was also,

our neighbour was also pregnant, Peter. Ah. I don't think the TES machine will work. She'll not use it. She'll pass it on. It'll be with the woman with the corn over the road soon.

We'll get it back from our brother-in-law minus the power pack. I don't think the test machine is going to work on my abs, Pete, because they have to penetrate through about three inches of fat to do it.

Right, okay, right. What's the battery? The battery is to wear cell. T-wear cell. T-E-W-A-Y cell. To wear cell. And Josh has sent the photo.

They're just resting in their plastic still on what looks like his dressing gown I like it, I like it, is there a bit of leg there? let me just make this no I think that's the sofa fabric legs so

Mark with U-Rhyme was a new player Andrew with V-Celet was a new player are we going to have a hat trip? We haven't had one for a while the answer is unfortunately not, Josh you are the third person to send T-trick? We haven't had one for a while. The answer is, unfortunately not. Josh, you are the third person to send T-Way sales in after David and Oliver both did so, dating back a couple of years. So unfortunately, we haven't seen them for a while,

but they're not a new player. But thank you very much for playing the game anyway. Lovely stuff. Well, that's about it for us in our bumper Thursday edition of the Luke and Pete show. We'll be back on Monday for more of this. If you'd like to get in touch with the show, hello at lukesandpete.com is the way to do it.

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