The Luke and Pete Show - Would you like a lamb bone?

Episode Date: October 16, 2023

Pete’s not into conspiracy theories but on today’s show he does admit that he thinks politicians are lizards. Seems reasonable.Luke questions why Pete still has all the same hobbies after finding out he's been giving out indie bar recommendations to listeners in Japan. Plus, the lads are introduced to the absolutely mental world of Freecycle.Want to get in touch with the show? Email: [e-mail] or you can get in touch on Twitter or Instagram: @lukeandpeteshow.We're also now on Tiktok! Follow us @thelukeandpeteshow. Subscribe to our YouTube HERE. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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At your side. Have you had a drink, Peter? I did yesterday. Yeah. Yeah. Another one I did yesterday. Yeah. Yeah. Another one. Another one. Yeah.

Another one. What? I'm going to give you the number of someone you can talk to. It's John. This is the Luke and Pete Show, and we do talk about absolutely sod all every single Monday and Thursday. On Thursday's show, we did battery brands,

we spoke about Hulk Hogan's dog voice and all kinds of other stuff really. We had a good time. Do you want to see a photo? No, put it away. What is it? Do you want to see a photo of the eye nebula

from the James Webb Space Telescope? We've gone space early here. How can you not find space fascinating? It's just, I've told you before. Look at that photo. I've got into it before. That is nice to be fair

it looks like it's like a portal opening and there's like a beautiful kind of a beautiful island underneath yeah

amazing yeah beautiful so a nebula is like an interstellar cloud basically right cosmic dust

basically cosmic dust I think it's either it's either the collapsing of a star and it going out into the universe or the creation of one I can't remember which crushing it's either the collapsing of a star and it going out into the universe or the creation of one.

I can't remember which. Crushing. It's amazing, though. Yeah. Amazing thing. What I want you to do is understand there's lots of beautiful things around you all the time, and it's not just related to video games and drinking gassy lager. No, but I appreciate things that most people don't appreciate.

Like what? Good air conditioning, Python. Yeah. Good air, like Sarah always tells me off because I'm just always looking up. A good processor? A good processor. There's some beauty in the intricacies of a die on a processor. What's fascinating about that, and we have mentioned this many, many moons ago

about what would happen if we went back to medieval times, and we kind of came to the conclusion that we thought at first we'd be like gods. Yeah. But then we'd fall down because we don't know how to describe anything. Yeah.

Or how anything actually works. We'd be the don't do that men. That's our only skill. Don't do that. Yeah. Like don't, like, dirty your food supply. Yeah.

With dirt. Or just champion bullshitters. Yeah. Where we're from, you can drive around in a car with wheels and you've got to just put some,

what we call petrol in it and it drives. How does it work? How does it work then? Don't know. Something about what we do with fire,

I think. Yeah, I don't know. I watch so many, nowadays, now I've become a car dad, which is what being a car owner is,

I just watch so many men tinkering around with engines and they are hopelessly difficult to fathom. They're so, he goes, I'll just take the top off this and he's just disassembled an engine and he's like, and it's just, that's just his Monday. You know what I mean? Yeah.

If I would have to build up for five years to even consider changing the oil or something, you know what I mean? Like they're so, like they're just so like they're just so like they just take that out take that out and all right everything goes back where it was and you can probably figure that bit out but it's like they're just so complex luke and i think there's a lament isn't there among car people bigger boys who know about cars so that these days that a new car when you pop the bonnet it's just like a closed shell yeah and what the guy at the garage will do is just put a fucking laptop plug it into it yeah it's all diagnostic it's all day but that's just that's just um uh fault fines i guess doesn't it people don't like that

people don't like the fact they can't pop up a bonnet and look into the right to the right to repair like if most kind of like big tractor firms uh you can't repair your own tractor you you've got you've got to spend, it's almost like a subscription service these days. Things like... The EU are hot on that, aren't they?

The EU are hot on, which I think is a really good thing actually. They're hot on things like with Apple. Yeah. They're like, actually,

you should be able to open it up and put a new battery in it. You should be able to repair it yourself. You should be able to do this stuff and I think

it's kind of a bit of a cabal that you can't do that. Yeah. And with stuff like engines, you are in a situation where that's understandable if it's a very complex machine that your warranty will go out of whack if you have a crack at yourself. But it's things like technology that already exists in your car that's getting unlocked.

Like heated seats. Or a heated steering wheel. Like these days, if you want the heated seats, the tech is in there, the elements are in there, the filaments or whatever to heat your seats in there. But you just need to pay a subscription service of like £10 a month to get these heated seats. Really? Yeah.

With like really modern cars. There's not a subscription, like modern, like really modern cars. There's not a subscription, you just pay for the optional extra. It's not, you don't subscribe to it. No, no, no, no, no, no, there is, it's like 10, 15 quid a month

for like really advanced, but we're not talking like 100 grand cars, we're talking like 40 grand cars. They have these subscription services where to get heated seats you've got to pay 10 quid a month. So I've got a car of that level.

Right, yeah. And it just it comes with it I think I'm probably going to check when I go you're a little directemic

I've never used it I've used it because it's been the summer heated seats are good in a way but they also make you feel

like you've shit yourself yes and in the really posh Japanese cars for like posh

like diplomats and stuff, they never have leather. It's all wool. Right. Because it doesn't make a noise. It can be quite creaky and it gets hot in summer and cold in winter and they just find wool more premium.

So my car's got a combination. It's got a combination kind of fabric and leather on the edges. But that's the thing. It's got a combination kind of fabric and leather on the edges. Yeah. But that's the thing. We've got a leather sofa at home. It's a nice distressed leather. We've had it for ages.

It's kind of softened. Yeah. But it is like... You can't go topless on a leather. You just feel like a pervert. Oh, massive. Massive. Definitely.

By the way, speaking of looking like or feeling like you shit yourself. Right. I don't know what's randomly come into my head, but I was talking to someone the other day about, you know that some of these speeches at the Conservative Party conference were mental? Yeah. It was the one where you fight harder or something.

Penny Morton. Penny Morton. But do you remember, and obviously there's been some kind of, normally what happens when they say baffling shit like that, some fucking pseudo-psychiatrist guy says, oh, if you do this... If you do this, it'll be... People will get it.

It all stemmed... It's been going on for years, but the low point for me was Theresa May's stance. Well, I was going to say, you remember the power stances? But George Osborne did it as well. He looked like he had been wedgied by the bigger boys at school,

and now he's got a poo in his pants. It was bizarre. He also had his hair cut, didn't he, to look more normal, but it made him look weirder. They're just lizards pretending to be humans. I'm not in the kind of conspiracy theory.

I think they might be lizards. Well, I think if you are someone who, and this is, sometimes I find this a bit of a lazy trope, which is that you know take for example rishi sunak he's wealthy his wife's wealthy right and i i sometimes cringe a bit when people say yeah but look how wealthy he is it's like you're giving him an out there right you're giving him an out what do you mean as in like well you're letting him off

what he's successful so you're right no you're writing it off by saying oh he's so wealthy that he doesn't know what's going on. Right. The point is that a lot of people, I'm not saying him, and I'll get to the point in a minute, but a lot of people who are wealthy, they have certain empathetic skills.

They have certain... What I'm trying to say is, I suppose, in a roundabout way, being wealthy isn't inherently a bad thing. No. Right? I think if you get to the level of like multi, multi-billionaire

morally it's indefendable, unjustifiable. But if you're someone who's worked really hard and done really well and made loads of money that can be a good thing. So don't...

The problem of Rishi Sunak is not that he's wealthy it's that he's a fucking idiot and he's a moron and he's got no empathy and to bring it round bring the point round full circle take it to someone like George Osborne

if you are someone who's had if you're born into a family that's wealthy at the start of your life that's not your fault you didn't choose that the same way I didn't choose to be working class you didn't whatever you didn't choose to be from hartlepool whatever it's when yeah it's when you use that opportunity

to never develop any kind of empathetic skills or any kind of idea that you want to actually be in this public life for the right reason and if you and you and you what you do is you essentially cut yourself off from any of life's real challenges. And it can be Sunak. It can be Osborne, who is St. Paul's school, really fucking posh.

Uh, no real connection to the real world. Oxbridge, then into straight into conservative party, HQ, central HQ, advisor, entry level,

spad, whatever minister. He's never really taken time to be empathetic about what people actually need. And that is a much bigger problem than the apparent wealth or privilege he has because take someone like Tony Benn, right? Not a perfect guy, not really politics

I actually personally share that much, but, you know, son of a Viscount aristocrat spent all his time championing the working class spent all his time championing improving workers rights

all that kind of stuff he didn't he wasn't not able to do it because he was fucking an aristocrat he was able to employ empathy and he was able to go out there

and learn about what the world's about and try and do what he thought was the right thing and that is so different but you see these characters in the House of Lords all the time, but you just don't see them in the Commons because

I think the Conservative you know, the ruling party of the land have just got really excited about, I don't know like, they think they're all in the West Wing and they have to sort of do, they've got to be ruthless. I don't think they're even that cool though, are they? Doggy dog, they've got

to just be as awful as possible. And it's not about leading a country. It's not about serving. It's about getting that job and saying, look, I've got this job. This will probably do me quite well when I leave and go into the private sector. This will put a couple more knots on my wages.

That seems to be why people get into politics nowadays. Or power for its own sake. Yeah, exactly. I think there's a chance that Nigel Farage will be the next Conservative leader. You reckon? I thought Rishi's job was to just get rid of all those kind of proper loopy guys.

You're joking. They've not been particularly successful. Have you seen him and Priti Patel dancing to You're Just Too Good To Be True? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Honestly, he's going to be back in the fold.

It's psychotic what's going on. It's absolutely psychotic. But it's almost like... And who's the best the left

have got? You are. Owen Jones doing his videos. Fucking hell. It's bad though, isn't it? It's bad.

You've got a bit of an Owen Jones look about you. Oh, get fucked. Come on. Nice and blonde. He's ripped. Is he ripped? Yeah, he look about you. Oh, get fucked. Come on. Nice and blonde. He's ripped. Is he ripped?

Yeah, he looks good. So I'll take that. Looks tasty. But it's not that I want to particularly bag on Owen Jones. Right. It's just that I don't really identify that much with... I'm going to say far left because that sounds pejorative, but like that left left.

I don't necessarily relate to that either personally. You know, I believe someone's politics should be their own, as long as they're not genuinely problematic. It's not that. It's just that what I get upset about, or what I cringe about, is that for all their faults, and there are many, many faults,

a lot of those right-wing guys are good. What do you mean? They're efficient. They know their shit. Yeah, but I don't think they do, though. I think the problem with the... I wouldn't mind a bastard. I wouldn't mind a horrible bastard,

but just be good at it. Is that on your Tinder? Yeah, I wouldn't mind a bastard. But it's just like, I just don't believe that they're very good at it. But what I mean is, I'm talking specifically about like, Owen Jones will go up to like a 16 year old Tory school

boy and shove a mic in his face, ask a shit question and then get schooled and everyone goes ha ha ha, they don't say ha ha ha that's what Owen Jones is like they say ha ha ha that's what the Liberal Left's like, why do you want any of that look at the fucking state of it

the whole country's on fire but that's the chance you've got if you go with them. And I just don't understand how Owen Jones, for example, can be doing this for so long and not understand that those public schoolboys over there, they're probably in the debating team, aren't they? They're public schoolboys who go to Conservative Party conferences. They probably know how to fush an argument.

So just avoid them. Avoid a lot of praise. Go for the easy pickings go for that ginger haired lady who absconded to Australia to do racist stuff over there

yeah that young lass you might get a draw out of her you might get a one all draw the thick Sunderland lad who wanks

Darren Grimes get on Grimesy no no because Grimesy's in the crosshairs now isn't he with GB News I think

is it what he's you can't comment on it but he's been mentioned in some stuff that's come out. Oh, okay. Yeah. Not great. Not great. Who'd have thought?

It's always the one you least expect, isn't it? It's the one you least expect. Grimes used to be a Lib Dem, didn't he, as well? Again, they're just not grifters. They've got no appetite for anything other than just... What gets me about characters like that, they're not even making that much money. Like, I almost guarantee they're not making making that much money like they I almost guarantee they're not making

that much cash I see that a lot I think one of the you are debasing yourself you are you have you have you've sort of

given away your future for a couple of quid now and not that much money how much do you reckon they're on Grimsey yeah what is Grimsey

I don't actually know what Grimsey does What is Grimsey? I don't actually know what Grimsey does. Bit of streaming, bit of tweeting. I haven't seen him on the telly for a while. I just don't think he's on much.

The media aren't very good at reporting on salaries of broadcasters. The only ones they're good at is the BBC.

The other day I saw something that someone reported in an otherwise actually quite interesting article that Rory Stewart was making good at is the BBC because they have to publish it. The other day I saw something that someone reported in an otherwise actually quite interesting article that Rory Stewart was making two million quid a year

from the rest of his politics. I could see that. Nah. What do you mean? No chance. No? No, he can't be. Well, yeah.

I'll tell you after why he can't be. Well, I mean there's he'll be on a fee won't he? One of the else. No, so he owns a third of it. Oh, right, okay.

Meh. Rest his positive, he's making six million a year. Meh. I'm going there. I'm going there. Hello. It's Rory and me.

But someone was saying the other day about Dan Wotton, who got suspended, again, completely mental, saying that he's, through his loss of earnings through the mail,

loss of earnings through GB mail, loss of earnings through GB News, he's missing out on one and a half million a year. No fucking way. He's not on old-fashioned newspaper money, is he?

No, but he will have, I just didn't realise how, because I only remember from like, remember the bizarre column he used to have back in the day.

Yeah. I remember from that and I just sort of go, God, he was quite high up for a long time and you've got, and you know,

you hear these stories about these people and you sort of go, Maybe he's on good wedge, I don't know. It shows you how far the whole thing's fallen because you hear Gordon Smart, who's the ex-editor of The Sun, on the telly or on the radio or whatever and he actually sounds like an alright bloke.

Back in the day, he'd have been like a terrible, terrible reputation. Yeah, you have to be awful to have those jobs, but to talk to him, he seems alright. What I don't get about it though, you have to be awful to have those jobs, but to talk to him, he seems alright. What I don't get about it though, is that we're awful. Yeah, give us some money. Let us be awful for money.

We're getting the worst of both worlds. The listeners are. Anyway. Yeah, exactly. Anyway, as you can probably tell, we haven't been up to much, so we're just lamenting. I would love to go, tell me how you feel about this. I would love to go. Tell me how you feel about this. I would love to go to those political party conferences. I think the people there are so fascinating.

You just don't see them in normal life, do you? No. You see these little Tory kids swarming around. I think even the Labour ones would be odd. Yeah. Yeah, I'd take that. Because it would be a mix of... Because the Labour's quite unique in that it's a mix of like...

And I guess the right has that as well. The Conservatives have that as well. You've got old school fiscal Conservatives and then you've got fucking racist lunatics. And then you've just got your commoner garden grifter, just powerful, power sick. But over on the left-hand side, you've got old Labour,

you've got your Owen Jones-y kind of characters and then you've got people... He hates current Labour, doesn't he? Right, okay. He hates Keir Starmer, doesn't he? Okay. current Labour doesn't he he hates Keir Starmer doesn't he he's always on the back of Keir Starmer

thinking that'll help things I don't know why right who are you going to get elected then nobody so good you can do your shouting

from the sidelines Jeremy Corbyn won the argument though don't forget he did we've won the argument anyway that's boring let's give a break

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Has there ever been a good football programme, Luke? Well, I tell you what though, I kept Marcus occupied for 15 minutes half-time doing the trivia quiz. Ha ha ha! I did. Did you?

Lovely stuff. I think you got 7 out of 10. Nice. I like it. And that programme is you've been given there by Andy which is a very nice thing to do because Andy's of course

a very nice man. He is a very nice man. As I asked you earlier, reading that cover to cover every single word, how close will that get you to have actually been there? I still feel sick about it.

I keep watching the videos. I keep watching the videos. He's watching the videos again, Luke. Yeah. Yeah, I'm pretty gutted. But I can, you know, keep up the pretense that I've not been sports-watched,

so it's fine. Would you? Yeah, it's a moral choice. As I re-watch Dan Byrne's header for the 50th time god yes

will you try and get up to some of the other kind of games yes quite punchy these days isn't it it's quite hard to get tickets but

yeah I'll do my very best I wouldn't mind going to see them play Milan that'd be great let's have an email Peter

yours this is from Chris our friend Chris emailed in he says hi Luke and Peter hope you're both doing well

last month my wife and I had a two and a half week holiday in Japan ooh la la starting in Tokyo then down to Nagasaki and back nice

whilst in Shibuya a long schlep I made a point of visiting bar Rockaholic as I know Pete's always been a fan yeah on entry we ordered drinks

and were given pen and paper to request songs to be played via YouTube. The bar staff were great and put up with my atrocious, stilted Japanese, and it was one of the best nights out I've had in a long time, so thanks for the recommendation. P.S. I can confirm, no Lost Prophets was played that night. Yes.

Thanks for all the content YouTube produced. The workday routine always starts with a Luke and Pete show episode followed by an abroad in Japan. Cheers, Chris. The reason there was no Lost Prophets played that night at Bar Rockaholic is Pete wasn't there to request it. I wasn't there to request it.

I would say that if you are looking for indie bar recommendations, I mean, who else are you going to go to? That is my brand. No one. And if you are looking

for indie bar recommendations, take it from me, grow up. Oh, I only like bars with no music and no people in what i know i just like you know what i like high-backed armchair and a shandy carry on no i think my the difference between you and i there's many differences um some would say that's why this show is uh is successful uh but i think that my three million a year my tastes have moved on right and yours

just stay like they were when you were 25. Oh, girl, moved on. I have. What do you mean? Well, I was boring for ages. Then I was interesting for a bit. Now I'm boring again. Okay.

You've always been like an absolute maelstrom of activity. All right. But I just think that if something's good, it's good forever. So if you went to a bar, Rockaholic, how long would you stay in there for? I could stay there all night. And you know what I'm i'm like i like that annoys me because i've just not found the right bar i'm always looking for the the next bar the only place i can never get you to stay at one place for is in the studio because you can't leave but i like to go to the pub now yeah i like to go there at a time it's not very busy yeah i like to people watch like to sometimes chat to

people like to have three or four beers and then I like to go home do you do small talk on the I love it you love it small talk at randoms in the pub

if they start talking to me I do yeah my only rule about that is that I will never start the conversation because you never quite know if people want to talk to you or not

yes if they come to me I know they want to talk to me right and they'll regret it but I know at least it's come from them right i went jones but well i enjoy his drinks and the one around here does he he's locals the one at the top oh that's it i find that place chaotic a lot of pub reviews but it's just it's very hit and miss it's not great service wise the only good pub around here in my view genuinely good pub is the canterbury

tavern is that the one down the road where we've sat it's got a lovely garden outside beautiful yes and I'm annoyed that for the first three years of working here

I didn't know about that there was a man doing an open mic rap last time I went in there in there in there what were they doing

they were doing an open mic and one man did a rap it was awful one man brought his guitar and oh my god I was so embarrassed for him. Shit. He was so bad.

I don't know how people can stand it. I don't know. I just, I just, yeah, I just don't, I can't, I couldn't handle it.

Cause he, he kept forgetting the cards. He kept forgetting the words and he wasn't that good at singing. I'm like, who chooses to do this? Told you not to come. I could do that. I think that's

a disappointing development because I think that pub I think of that pub as a proper pub and the one thing for me and this is really boring

is that what I really value that's what I went to Newcastle last week for work as you know and what I loved about it was the the constant

revelation to me that I would look at the plan of what I had to do because quite a lot of work to do when I was up there and obviously I was in London

and I was going alright so I've got to travel here I've got to travel there 8 minute walk 7 minute walk 10 minute walk fucking great it reduced the

amount of time that I actually basically had to work had to work yeah because you had to get places yeah St James's Park is like a 15 minute walk

from the station yeah the hotel is an 8 minute walk from the station. It's really easy. And when I go to the local, whenever I live, which is the Great Northwood in West Norwood, for those of you who are from the area

and want to pop in for a pint, I can just walk home. There's no fucking, I've got to think about it. I went to train, doesn't matter. Doesn't matter, just walk home, yeah.

Am I too drunk to get on a line bike? Doesn't matter. You know, a line bike makes you do't matter, just walk home, yeah. Am I too drunk to get on a line bike? Doesn't matter. You know, line bike makes you do a little test. It does, yeah, if it's late at night or something.

The last two times though, I have had a couple of drinks and they didn't ask me that. So, there you go. The system works. You'll be on saving. Johnny's been in touch, says,

hi Luke and Pete, I've recently moved into a new flat so I've picked up a fair bit of stuff for it on FreeCycle. Do you know FreeCycle, Pete? Yes, people giving away stuff for free. Have you used it? I've recently moved into a new flat, so I've picked up a fair bit of stuff for it. I'm free-cycled. Do you know free-cycle people? Yes, people giving away stuff for free.

Have you used it? I've never used it, no. It's become very apparent in the process that it's full of nutters who are presumably barred from Gumtree. I spotted this post today and can't think of anyone else that might appreciate how weird it is, other than yourselves and my fellow listeners. Right.

Regards, Johnny. And what it is, is a screenshot of a Freecycle thing, and I'll just read it to you. Some very old sparklers that have been on my shelf in the kitchen for 15 years. What? Just throw them in the bin. Nine small indoor sparklers.

Definitely look as if they were still Ignite. And an unopened pack of outdoor sparklers as well. I don't know the state or ignitability of those. It's structured on the reverse. This is already... You're taking too structured on the reverse. This is already, you're taking too long writing the description. This is good. P.S.

If you look teenage, I will ask for ID. Sparkling. I can beat that actually. It's a great, it's a great email, Johnny. Thanks for that.

But I can beat that. The other day on my WhatsApp group, so I've got a thing with my neighbour, my mate. We're on this street WhatsApp group, right? Yeah.

And the stupidest things that get put on there one of us will get in there as quick as possible and say the other one is interested

so for example today it was a load of wacky fancy dress costumes for a photo booth thing at a party nice okay fake moustaches

Tom was after one of these with his wife and he'll reply go no no I thought that sorted actually thanks very much

because he has to be polite, right? And we have to be members of it because it has got some genuinely valuable stuff. The road's being closed or it's a kid's party or whatever.

So anyway, someone genuinely on that group the other day, right, the other day on a Sunday night posted a photo

and a post saying, does anyone want this old lamb bone? Oh right, yeah, for a dog or something, yeah. Snapped up straight away. Well, yeah, I mean, you can't pass up a free lamb bone. It's an old bone, isn't it? An old lamb bone.

What have we become? Just put it in the fucking bin. Or the food waste. A dog would love that, though. Just put it in the food waste. You walk into another house to get a dead animal bone. That's what's happening here. My dogs are obsessed with ostrich bones.

Where do you get those from? Just from the shop. They're fucking expensive, but good God, they're good value. Big though, right? Big. It's more like the joint of one part of the bone. Is it because they don't splinter or whatever? Yeah, you've got to be quite careful.

Do they splinter when they get dry so you've got to get them out quickly yeah I think ostrich bones are fine but they yeah

they're they absolutely love them I told you my friend Rob does a thing where if he sees a dead animal on the side of the road

or in a garden or whatever and it's you know it's not in some kind of ridiculous state he'll bury it in the garden

right for his kids and he'll teach them about anatomy and teach them about how things yes and it's, you know, it's not in some kind of ridiculous state. He'll bury it in the garden. Right. For his kids. And they'll teach him about anatomy and teach him about how things, like. Yes. Yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah. Um, I don't know if I told you this, but a while back, he told me he got in a big argument with his, um,

wife. Mm. Because they saw, I think, a dead seal on the beach. You can't take all the shit with a dead seal.

And he was like, why don't you put it in the bin? I'll put it in the bin. I'll put it in the, in the boot. Yeah. She was like, you're not doing that. You're not doing that. Uh, she dead seal. I put it in the bin. I put it in the boot. Yeah. She was like, you're not doing

that. You're not doing that. She was like, I can smell it from here. I bet it absolutely honked

as well. Yeah, I saw a dead seal. I was actually in, where was I? I was on Peahar Beach

in West Auckland. Beautiful black sand volcanic beach. Club in hand. It's got a rock, yeah, it's got some Inuit friends. It's got a rock on the middle of it called

Lion Rock, which from a certain angle looks like a sleeping lion. I was walking there with my then girlfriend, and there was a massive, I do mean massive, dead seal. And it was like, you walk closer and closer, and I think it was doing that thing where it's bloating. Right. Because it's been in the sun. And it was like, you walk closer and closer and I think it was doing that thing where

it's bloating. Right. Because it's been in the sun. Oh, imagine getting in a boat. And the gases. Sitting on it. Do you know what? I thought,

I really want to poke that with a stick. Yeah. But. You don't know what, you don't know what that would unleash. And if it was 2003

and if it had gone wrong, I'd still be smelling like it now. Yeah. You're like the bog of Eternal Stench. Yeah, you can't get it off. But, you know't get it off. You know back in the day where there was always footage of people

clubbing seals? Why were they doing that? Was it a cull? Too many seals? It's a cull. It's traditional, but it's also hermitage. I thought they were doing it for food. No, no. For oil and stuff. They do commercially hunt as well. Was it happening in Canada and Norway, I think it's for like oil and stuff so it's they do they do commercially hunt as well

right does it happen in Canada and Norway I think yeah probably I don't know what the status of it is now but it's seen as kind of pretty horrific

why are we so like why are we so squeamish about certain animals over others it's interesting isn't it like you know eating a dog is gauche

eating a horse is a little gauche like all the it's interesting what is acceptable. I think it's the optics of a seal. So the famous photo of the guy with the club and the seal looking up at him. That's something that obviously pulls on the heartstrings and understandably so.

But I do think that from that debate back in the day, they were, the Canadian, I think it was Canada, it might have been Norway, the equivalent of the RSPCA were sent, in their view, a think it was Canada, it might have been Norway, the equivalent of the RSPCA were sent like, in their view, a huge percentage of, like an overwhelming majority percentage

of the animals are being killed in an acceptably humane manner. So I guess it's for, I'm guessing here, but presumably they probably get a certain amount of animals they can kill a year for commercial reasons

or for culling reasons like for example deer have to be culled don't they yes and they do it humanely they shoot them

and it genuinely will cause a lot of bad genetic mutations otherwise because there's a load of different there's just so many deer and there's such a

small amount of area I don't know how do we get talking about that oh I saw a seal I saw a dead seal yeah

I'd love to know what... Actually, I'm not going to say that. What were you going to say? I was going to talk about dead animals. I think it's a bit grim, isn't it? And we get the old people on our back again. Which is a bit disappointing and upsetting because I do feel like an animal lover.

Although I do admit I'm a hypocrite about it because I do eat meat. Right. Okay. Would you ever think about not eating meat for moral reasons? Yeah. I mean, as someone who, you know,

pretends he respects living creatures, I don't do it because I eat meat. It's an eternal shame of mine. I feel the same. But do you do any research into the type of meat you are eating? What do you mean? As in, like, how it's... How it's reared and what it's like?

Well, I mean, you always get the best ones, but I mean... Yeah. I think it's Rick, isn't it, from Rick Edwards, our friend. I think I'm right in saying, I don't want to misquote him, because he's quite fierce, isn't he, Rick? But I think he said that he won't eat any animal of a certain intelligence. Right, okay. So he won't eat octopus, doesn't think he eats pigs.

Right, okay. He makes a kind of arbitrary kind of thing about it. I think when you see a pig in real life, it's astonishingly close to a dog. Like, the way that they carry on. It's just a dog. It's just a pink, pink, flat dog. But bacon's too good to miss?

I don't really like bacon all that much. What? I'm a sausage guy. You like jerky, though. You don't get pork jerky. No, but you do like jerky and it's got a bacon kind of consistency.

Bacon, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think bacon's really overrated. Sausages are delicious. So human beings have evolved to be omnivorous, haven't they? Right, okay. Based on the teeth

and based on haze, so to eat a very mixed, balanced diet. Right. But I guess you could probably argue from a moral point of view, you know, maybe the consciousness of our species

has been raised enough to say that you probably don't have to eat meat now. Yeah, we've got the process in place to not eat meat, yeah. I think if someone said to me, if a doctor said to me tomorrow, look, you can't eat meat anymore, you're going to die,

I'd be fine. Yeah, we'd get on with it, wouldn't we? Yeah, I think I probably would. I do worry about some of these meat-free options. It's very processed. Yeah, that's very chemically, isn't it? It's very processed, wouldn't we? Yeah, I think I probably would. I do worry about some of these meat-free options. It's very processed. Yeah, that's very chemically, isn't it? It's very processed,

isn't it? And everyone's getting excited about it. It looks very processed. Like, if you saw that and it was

ham, you'd be like, ugh. But just because it's made of mushrooms and, you know, vegetable lips and arseholes, as my dad would say.

I thought it was like, a lot of it is created, isn't it? Lab created. Yeah, I mean, protein, meals, I don't know, just... It's got to come from somewhere though, hasn't it?

It's got to come from somewhere. But yeah, it's, I just thought, I think there's surely a reckoning in the offing. There'll be some kind of ingredient that doesn't play well with the body. We all get free cancer.

Like, I just feel like there's stories around the corner about that ultra-processed vegan meat alternative. I always get confused, and this is a genuine question, I don't know if you know about it, you know the answer, but cancer research, the charity organisation,

obviously are prevalent in their advertising and stuff. Yeah. And they put in some of their advertising literature, one in two people will get cancer. Yeah. That seems really high. That's wild, isn't it. Yeah. And they put in some of their advertising literature, one in two people will get cancer. Yeah. That seems really high. That's wild, isn't it?

Yeah. But is that kind of because when you get super old? I think, yeah, I think that's the... Basically everyone gets it. Basically everyone gets

a dossier, I think. Because... But I think you'll die of something else. You know what I mean? Right, because I find it hard to reconcile the fact that, for example,

cancer rates in children are tiny. Mm. So, it must be massively skewed towards old people. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Older people.

Yeah. Alright, well, on that cheery note... Cheery note, and you didn't want to talk about dead animals. We'll talk about cancer. In a way,

I am in a different world, aren't I? In a different way. But there we go. There we go. That has been The Luke and Pete Show for Monday. We'll talking about cancer. In a way, I am in a different world, aren't I? In a different way. But there we go. That has been the Luke and Pete show for Monday. We'll see you on Thursday.

We'll see you on Thursday. Have a good week. Don't go around repeating any of this, will you? Don't tell anyone what we said, please. That's a good show

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