The Magnus Archives - MAG 80 - The Librarian

Episode Date: August 30, 2017

#0170216-B Statement of Jurgen Leitner regarding his life and works. Recorded direct from subject 16th February 2017. If you'd like to support us, head to www.patreon.com/rustyquill Sound effects for ...this episode provided by BathroomCrooner, SoundsForHim, StudentTanita, hank_richard, daboy291, TheFilmLook, Slave2theLight, InspectorJ, youandbiscuitme, Alternicity, Sethroph, skradz and previously credited artists via freesound.org. Check out our merchandise at https://www.redbubble.com/people/rustyquill/collections/708982-the-magnus-archives-s1 You can subscribe to this podcast using your podcast software of choice, or by visiting www.rustyquill.com/subscribe. Please rate and review on your software of choice, it really helps us to spread the podcast to new listeners, so share the fear. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:01:25 The Magnus Archives Episode 80 The Librarian Please, I don't know how much time we have. So you said. Is that necessary? You think I pose a danger to you? Yes. Yes, I do. Then take it with you, but I can't afford to just sit here.
Starting point is 00:02:30 So talk fast. Could we at least have this conversation in the tunnels? I'm not going back down there. That thing... is it dead? Unlikely. Whether something like that can actually be destroyed... It is trapped, I hope, for a very long time. Sasha. The real one. Was that her name? I'm afraid she's gone.
Starting point is 00:02:59 Whatever it does to those it takes, they don't come back. She's dead. Do you need a moment? No, no I'm... You're not what I expected. I suppose not. My family emigrated when I was very young. English was always my first language. I used to adopt an accent sometimes when meeting people. A sort of personal joke. But truth be told, my Norwegian is terrible. Now are you going to help me or not? You first. You want my help, you answer my questions. Agreed? Agreed.
Starting point is 00:03:44 Good. Good. my questions agreed agreed good good statement of Jurgen Leitner February 16th 2017 statement begins you're quite like her you know I suppose that's no surprise anyway your questions? Right. Let's start with what you did down there, how you trapped it. An unexpurgated copy of Ruskin's The Seven Lamps of Architecture, published in 1845. Of course, Ruskin didn't even begin writing the book until 1846, and the text of this one varies markedly from the version that was distributed.
Starting point is 00:04:29 It gives an acute sense of the walls pressing in around you, and if consumed recklessly, will physically entomb the reader. Over the years, I have found that it interacts with Smirke's architecture, and those tunnels specifically, in a more predictable way. By carefully reading specific passages in certain locations, I'm able to exercise a degree of control over the substance of the tunnels. I didn't hear you say anything down there. I said reading. It doesn't need to be spoken aloud. Right, so you can change the tunnels? I can, though even setting aside the obvious dangers, it's a time-consuming and imprecise process. That said, I will admit that when you began to explore again, I closed off certain passages and remade others. I wanted to keep you contained while deciding whether to make contact.
Starting point is 00:05:31 You moved the tunnels for me? The upper levels, yes. Made them more rational, actually. It didn't strike you as odd that you were able to map them in a matter of weeks. I thought I was just getting a sense of the place. I suppose you left the rubbish around for me as well, giving me hints. And the arrow. No. I thought I was being very careful cleaning up after myself, but you have keener eyes than I gave you credit for. I should have expected that, I suppose. The arrow, however, was not mine.
Starting point is 00:06:07 The Not-Sasha had come down several times. I suspect it was almost as curious about me as you were. Perhaps it thought you might have better luck flushing me out. I suppose, in a way, it was right. In retrospect, using the seven lamps so much was perhaps unwise. It is possible I unbalanced Smirk's architecture somewhat, however cautious I might have tried to be. And the other book? Hardly a book. Barely twelve pages. It is entitled A Disappearance. If read cover to cover, it removes one from the world.
Starting point is 00:06:48 I can't say precisely what that means, only that the assistant I assigned to it, Jacob Feng, was never seen again. I have found, however, that reading only one or two words is sufficient to hide me from the prying eyes of your master. It allowed me to talk with Gertrude in relative safety, and occasionally come above ground for my own ends. My master? We'll get to that. How long have you been down there? Hard to say. I've been in hiding for over 20 years now, ever since my library was destroyed. Obviously, I have not spent all that time below your institute. The old Millbank prison tunnels stretch out a very long way, and there are other entrances than the one below the archives. I have a small number of secure locations,
Starting point is 00:07:41 though since Gertrude's death I have been reluctant to leave the tunnels. I dislike spending too much time in the open. I am always being hunted, both by creatures like the ones you have encountered and by certain human individuals who believe I'm to blame for the books that destroyed their loved ones. Three years ago I made the mistake of spending a full night outside my safe houses. I was almost beaten to death by an angry goth. That'll be our Gerard. I don't follow. I wouldn't worry about him. He passed away a couple of years ago. That is hardly my point. So are you to blame? For what? For the books. Or did you just stick your name on them by accident?
Starting point is 00:08:29 Why the Library of Jurgen Leitner? I thought that I could control them. That I alone had the knowledge to contain them. Back then, I believed they were simply books. Horrifying, powerful, yes, but with rules, limits that could be charted. I was a fool. I had no idea what forces lay behind them, or that they had other servants that might come searching. I was ruthless, I will admit that. I don't know how many assistants I sacrificed to learn the secrets of the volumes I collected. Dozens at least. Only a few escaped with their life and mind intact, and even then they were deeply marked, but I was relentless. I saw myself as a guardian, a reverse Pandora, gathering the evils of the world and locking them away. And so I branded them with my seal. I told
Starting point is 00:09:35 myself that if any should escape such a mark could help me retrieve them, but I think in my heart I dreamed of my work becoming known, that the library of Jürgen Leitner would stand as a symbol of courage and protection. Hubris! I suppose it is fitting punishment that my name has become a watchword for evil, spoken by those who only know it as marking the darkest, most terrible of secrets. My name has become a curse. Tell me from the beginning. I was born the heir to great wealth. My family used to deal in manufacture, steel, textiles, all sorts, but by my time it was largely a matter of extensive property holdings and carefully managed investments, money making money. There was never the need for
Starting point is 00:10:36 me to learn anything of worth. I suppose in another life I might have been another rich wastrel, content to squander my inheritance on indulgence and comfort, but I always felt a calling to make something of myself, to matter. I had no interest in politics, and while I was certainly no fool, my attempts at academia were ultimately unsatisfying. Business bored me to tears. The only thing I was ever truly talented at was acquiring things. I suppose you could say I was skilled at shopping. I don't say that to be glib, nor as a comment on my wealth. I don't mean I gained any satisfaction from wasting money on vulgar Bond Street trinkets.
Starting point is 00:11:27 on vulgar Bond Street trinkets. I mean, I had a genuine and pronounced talent for finding items of worth and convincing their owners to part with them. The most valuable things always need to be hunted, and that was where I excelled. It started by simply cross-referencing auction catalogues with local records and slightly obscure books of art history, but soon I had a network of contacts and took dinner with some of the most eccentric curio dealers in the world. It was Desmond Laurel that first told me of the books. They were a rumour, as these things always are, and he had no idea of the dangers. Plagic books, he called them. He had believed them to be coded spell books derived, of all things, from the writings of Merlin. Poor Desmond. When he finally found one, an old leather-bound thing titled The Stallwart's Hunter's Almanac, he had no idea what to do with it. I suppose, looking back, his death was a very good thing for me. The extent of the mutilation, and how closely it correlated with the passages he had described to
Starting point is 00:12:33 me, left little doubt as to the connection. So when I acquired the book myself, I took exceptional precautions. The thing that surprises me most, I think, is how readily I accepted the existence of the supernatural. I had occasionally made purchases before that that had caused anomalies, but nothing like those books. Yet as soon as their nature became apparent, I simply accepted it and began to factor it into my dealings with them. I simply accepted it and began to factor it into my dealings with them. It was shortly afterwards I hired my first assistant, a dower man by the name of Albert Stross.
Starting point is 00:13:15 He barely lasted a fortnight. It didn't take me long to track down other books like Laurel's, and it seemed like almost overnight I had found my purpose. I was to be the Keeper of Evil Tomes. To begin with, I never gave much thought to their origins. I simply concerned myself with acquiring them and making sure I had staff I could spare to study them. It was easier than I expected, and I am always surprised nobody attempted such a thing before me. I suppose few walk away from their first encounter with any desire to look for more, if they walk away at all, and of those that do, none would have had my skill at finding them, or my extensive resources. Luck played a significant role as well. It was shortly after I had begun to have problems storing them that I discovered the work of the architect
Starting point is 00:14:12 Robert Smirk. There were several volumes in my possession that, if I kept them close to each other, reacted very badly. But Smirk's writings, his principles of balance between opposing forces, gave me some inkling as to a solution. Today was not the first time my life has been saved by his architecture. I commissioned a house to be built based on some of his designs and spent a good deal of time and money gaining access to existing buildings he had worked on, with the aim of storing the books safely. I believe at about that time I commissioned my book plates and began to label them. And then the house was complete and I had my library, a vast, lopsided structure, by turns, cavernous or maze-like, depending on the needs of the inmates.
Starting point is 00:15:08 maze-like, depending on the needs of the inmates. By the end, I had 978 volumes in my library, some innocuous, some unsettling, and some utterly murderous. In the end, I didn't have much time to enjoy my achievement. It was only a few years after the house was complete the attack came. You must understand I had only ever encountered these dark powers in the form of books or the occasional antique. I had no idea that there were people or creatures out there that served them, so I was not prepared. All my defences were inward facing, to prevent the contents of my library getting out. I suppose getting in must have seemed a trifle. It started with the visitors. Almost every day some stranger would turn up at my door and ask to see my collection. Now, whatever my secret ambitions might have been, I was very careful not to let word get out about what I was doing. And these people, they were wrong, somehow.
Starting point is 00:16:12 They didn't move as people should move, and their cadence was very strange when they spoke. They almost always forgot to blink. Even then, I didn't realize what was coming and simply sent them away with a firm refusal. When it actually happened it was all so fast I barely had time to register it. One moment I was typing a new catalogue entry for a journal of a plague year and the next everything was screaming. My assistants, the books, even me. Thomas McMahon was stabbed through the throat by something with too many teeth and limbs like knives.
Starting point is 00:16:55 Mary Johnson was pulled into a cavernous moor that opened beneath her. Gregory Todd ran into a door that shouldn't have been there. her. Gregory Todd ran into a door that shouldn't have been there. A great hand reached down through the roof and plucked away Leandra Toulouse. There was one other assistant whose name I don't recall, but the last I saw of him he was being pulled into a great pulsating pile of meat. I don't know how I escaped. Perhaps because I designed the house, I knew how to best move through it. Perhaps I was sensible enough to steer clear of the rooms that had fallen into darkness or burned with a fire that seemed to leave the books untouched. Perhaps they let me go. Or perhaps, once again, it was simply luck. I didn't look back as I fled.
Starting point is 00:17:48 Nothing seemed to chase me, at least not then. I had none of the books with me and that was what they were after. Of course, by the time I realised that, there were many others who were hunting me, mostly vengeance-minded folk who'd lost someone to the books plastered with my name that were now free once again. It was easier to let the world think I was dead, and to one degree or another, I've been in hiding ever since. You're right. About which part? You were a fool.
Starting point is 00:18:25 Why didn't you burn them? Pride. If they were destroyed, what was I to guard? Even so, I don't believe that would have solved as many problems as you think. Many of them wouldn't have burned, and some even liked the flames. And those that did, I now believe, would have been released to take a different form. But you didn't know any of this when you had almost a thousand of them in your care. I've spent twenty years trying to learn from my mistakes. You said you didn't take any of them with you, so where did you get these?
Starting point is 00:19:06 you didn't take any of them with you. So where did you get these? When I started working with Gertrude, she hunted down some editions I thought might help. And why was Gertrude helping you? Aside from my knowledge about the books, I think she was lonely. I didn't meet her until about six years ago, after she'd lost the last of her own assistants. She would mention them sometimes. I believe she missed having someone to talk to on occasion. I didn't know Gertrude had assistants. Of course. Three of them, each meeting an unpleasant end. So when she found me, it seemed natural that we help each other. In this instance, that meant finding certain useful books. Like the Key of Solomon? That one was a mistake. I thought that in the
Starting point is 00:19:53 tunnels there might be the stability to examine it properly, learn something of the forces arrayed against us. But it went wrong. We had to destroy it. I should have known, really. It was one of the few volumes that contained elements of several different powers. You keep talking about these powers, these forces arrayed against you. What are they? I'd hoped you would at least know that much by now. But I suppose you're simply the observer, and making these connections is not your role. Gertrude could be much the same at times. Just tell me! There are entities in this
Starting point is 00:20:36 world, beings of vast dark power. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say they are next to the world rather than in it. Their true existence couldn't function in the universe we live in, at least not as it is now. They have nothing in their pure state that could be present in the physical world, so they sit in... Different dimensions? No, I don't think so. If there are such things, then these beings are linked inexorably to ours. They're not within our world, but they can affect it in certain ways, reaching out with their will to change things. I don't know where they
Starting point is 00:21:19 come from, or how they came to exist, but they are, from what I can determine, effectively eternal. Are you trying to tell me all of this is at the behest of evil gods? Oh, there are certainly those who see them as gods. A few even go as far as to try and worship them, but I don't find it helpful to think of them like that. worship them but I don't find it helpful to think of them like that. Perhaps you could liken them to one of the old pantheons, each with its own rituals, agendas and spheres of influence, but I find simplifying them in such a way makes them harder to truly understand. The gods were conceived by humankind as a reflection of themselves, their motives and actions divinely powerful, but in essence, purely human. These things. I find them hard enough to understand without trying to force
Starting point is 00:22:15 human frameworks onto them. So the creatures are what? Priests? These books their holy text. I told you it was an unhelpful analogy. Let's try another one. Imagine you are an ant and you have never before seen a human. Then, one day, into your colony, a huge fingernail is thrust, scraping and digging. You flee to another entrance, only to be confronted by a staring eye gazing at you. You climb to the top, trying to find escape, and above you can see the vast, dark shadow of a boot falling upon you. Would that ant be able to construct these things into the form of a single human being? Or would it believe itself to be under attack by three different equally terrible but very distinct
Starting point is 00:23:09 assailants? So the books, the monsters, they're part of these beings? Just extensions of them, fingers being pushed into our world? The books are, I think, their essences in a purer form. The other things that stalk us, from what I know of them, they have varying wills of their own. All in service of the thing they're a part of, but not directly controlled by the mind beneath them. At least inasmuch as these entities have something we could recognize as a mind. Like a muscle spasming on reflex? Yes, that's actually rather good. It would explain Michael's identity issues. Michael? Oh, that's what the distortion calls itself these days, isn't it? That one is part of a power that my assistant Domingo used to call
Starting point is 00:24:05 esmentiras, which I believe translates as it is lies or it is lying. At the time, of course, we just used it as a way to classify books. I call it the spiral. It deals in fooling the senses, in making you see and hear things that are not there, in drawing you into mazes and making you doubt your own sanity. Fractals? Yes. It seems to have a particular fondness for them. What about bones? Does one of them manifest with bones? You're thinking too literally.
Starting point is 00:24:44 Examining the physical categorisation but ignoring the meaning of the thing. What are the bones? In the distortion, your Michael, the structure of a skeleton, an established reality in your mind, is twisted and warped into an impossible form. But in other cases? Are they a symbol of slaughter and butchery? Are they the familiar made wrong? Or are they simply part of the messy physicality of flesh? I'm sorry, this is a lot to take in.
Starting point is 00:25:18 Well, do so quickly. We've wasted enough time on your questions. Fine. Then I'll make this one simple. Did you kill Gertrude? No, don't be absurd. Then who did? This is a distraction. You're in no danger. Who? I believe it was Elias. What? Why? I assume he discovered we were planning to destroy the archives. Gertrude was going to destroy the archives? This is why I need those files. I searched this place thoroughly and they're not here. So I assume Elias took them when he killed her. I need your help to get into his office. But the cameras, they showed him. Simple mechanical eyes.
Starting point is 00:26:07 In his place of power. You think he can't control everything they see? Assuming such interference wouldn't ruin them beyond recovery, of course. This place belongs to one of them, doesn't it? You know the answer to that. The eye. I have also heard it called beholding. An eye?
Starting point is 00:26:28 You belong to it too. I think I need some air. We don't have time for you to have a breakdown, archivist. I'm going to have a cigarette. Don't. Don't. cigarette. Don't. Don't. I'm not sure you would have liked him, you know. He's paranoid enough, but I don't think he's got the stomach for it. Well, this is a surprise. Reach for a book and I will kill you.
Starting point is 00:27:10 How much have you told him? Enough. About Gertrude? No, no, I didn't have time. I've wondered for so long who it could be down there. Who was helping her. I honestly never would have guessed. How did you know I was here? I didn't.
Starting point is 00:27:26 You're very well hidden, but John is not, and he failed to take the same precautions I'm sure you took for granted with Gertrude. I knew he was talking to someone, and it turns out to be Jürgen Leidner himself. What an honour. Elias, please. What did you want from him? The files. The ones you took from Gertrude. Planning a little light arson, are we, Jürgen? It's not just the Institute, and you know it. They had everything she had found on the stranger. I know. It's, um... What do they call it?
Starting point is 00:27:57 The Unknowing. Creativity never was their forte. You of all people should want to stop them. And we will. But I don't think we'll need your help. And what's he going to think when he gets back? Well, he was always going to need to fly the nest at some point. Go out and see the world for himself. He might die.
Starting point is 00:28:21 It's always a danger. Almost always. Elias, it doesn't have to be like... GONG I'm sorry, I've been quiet for five years now, but the... Oh. Huh. Huh. Huh. Huh. I need to, um... I need, um... Oh. I think it's working again.
Starting point is 00:29:44 Tim, where were we? Yeah, it's recording. Forget the bloody tapes, Tim. Are we sure this is... This is here? Yes, because the tape works now. How long was it? I don't know, and I don't care.
Starting point is 00:30:00 Sorry, sorry, what? How can you not care? Because this is us now. Worms. Monsters. Corridors. They'll keep happening until one of them kills us, and we've just got to deal with it.
Starting point is 00:30:17 Any sign of the woman? I don't think so. We should have helped her. No. But we could have tried. How? Look. I don't think so. We should have helped her. No. But we could have tried. How?
Starting point is 00:30:27 Look. There's no point talking about it. It happened. I hope it doesn't happen again. The statement fucking ends. We should look for John. Maybe we can still help. It's been days.
Starting point is 00:30:43 At least. We can't just sit here moping. We probably already for John. Maybe we can still help. It's been days, at least. We can't just sit here moping. We probably already killed him. Don't joke about that, okay? Fine. Tim! Try his office. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:56 Right. John? Oh. Oh, no. I told you he was going to do something like this. Oh no, no, no. Who is it? I told you.
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