The Majority Report with Sam Seder - 3521 - Trump Goes Full NeoCon & Massive Public Land Sell Off w/ Michael Carroll

Episode Date: June 19, 2025

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You are listening to a free version of The Majority Report. Support this show at join the Majority Report.com and get an extra hour of content daily. The Majority Report with Sam Cedar. It is Thursday, June 19th, 2025. My name is Emma Vigeland, in for Sam Cedar, and this is the five-time award-winning majority report. We are broadcasting live steps from the industrially ravaged Gowanus Canal in the heartland of America, downtown Brooklyn, USA. On the program today, Michael Carroll of the Wilderness Society will be with us to talk about the Republicans trying to sell off public lands. Also on the program, happy Juneteenth, folks.

Today marks the 160th anniversary of the final day. day that enslaved black Americans were informed of their freedom in Texas. In more current news, Iranian strikes hit Soroka Hospital in southern Israel, prompting Israel's defense minister to say Iran's supreme leader Khomeini, quote, can no longer be allowed to exist. People get touchy when hospitals get hit? Yeah, they're upset about that now. Now, by the way, Israel's bombed every hospital in Gaza. All 36.

In Iran, there was a near total internet blackout on the sixth day of Israeli strikes. Hundreds dead in Iran. A Washington Post poll finds that Americans oppose U.S. airstrikes against Iran by a 20-point margin. But Trump appears to be warming to it. Populism. Israel has killed at least 140 people in Gaza over the past 24 hours,

including mowing people down as they await aid trucks. Shooting them like prairie dogs, just like the Great March return. Yep. Republicans prepare to push through a $5 trillion

increase to the debt limit. Which my whole life they were the fiscally responsible party. New housing construction hits a five-year low due to tariffs on things like Canadian lumber and ICE

raiding construction sites. ICE is holding a Georgia-based Spanish-language journalist whom they arrested during a protest against immigration raids. For the first time in over a year, overdose deaths are on the rise.

The FDA approves an injectable drug that helps prevent HIV. The only problem, the Trump administration, is gutting the agencies that could distribute it. And lastly, yet another SpaceX rocket exploded last night. Our subsidies at work. All this and more on today's majority report. Welcome to the show, everybody. It is June 10th. Happy Juneteenth

We were We were unable to get a guest We reached out to a lot of people And then we kind of realized Well, this is a holiday And people may want to enjoy it Instead of talking to us about it Should probably pre-record these the next time

Exactly Let people enjoy the holiday But regardless You want to be in someone's backyard Having a good time Or do you want to come talk to us? Yeah It was a tough sell in hindsight

But before we talk about the news It's important to commemorate this and talk a little bit about Juneteenth for a second. It was made a federal holiday in 2021 under Joe Biden. It marks the day in 1865 when the final slaves in the United States were informed of their freedom and the Emancipation Proclamation. It was two years after Lincoln issued it. And the message was delivered by Major General Gordon Granger. he'd fought for the union, he went to Galveston and announced this news to a quarter of a million

enslaved black people. And, you know, it wasn't even immediate even then, right? Like there, some slaves continued their work until after the final harvest. And there was also just like violence because some of these slave owners who had fled, by the way to Texas, because of the vastness of the land, they thought they could hide out there and continue to use free labor and violate these people. Some of them tried to hold on to their slaves despite this announcement. And many of them knew about the Eman's Patient Proclamation and kept it from their slaves for all of this time. And so this is why Juneteenth is celebrated. It was the final, I guess, the last group of slaves who were to hear about the Emancipation Proclamation, and here is

that general order that was read to them. The people of Texas are informed that in accordance with a proclamation from the Executive of the United States, all slaves are free. This involves an absolute equality of personal rights and rights of property between former masters and slaves, and the connection here, Heather here to four, existing between them, and becomes that between employer and hired labor. The freedmen are advised to remain quietly at their present homes and work for wages. They are informed that they will not be allowed to collect at military posts and that they will not be supported in idleness either there or anywhere or elsewhere.

So that was what was announced. That's what was read to folks. And then we had, obviously, the era of Reconstruction and then... Very briefly. And then the restoration of white supremacy as Reconstruction failed. And, you know, they might not have been able to claw back full slavery. But, of course, you had chain gangs and all sorts of bonded labor and apartheid in the American South. And that's where Jim Crow laws came into being.

And then let's fast forward to this news report on this day in history, also June 19th, in 1964, or I guess maybe, no, this is July, sorry. The headline says June, regardless, around this time. It doesn't need to be the exact day. Sure. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 outlawed racial segregation and things like, you know, restaurants. and stores outlaw a Jim Crow. JFK initially had proposed the bill the year prior before his assassination. And the like national mourning from that kind of in many ways helped get this over the finish line with LBJ.

Now the president signing it in July. Apologies of 1964. Here's a report from that time. Congress passes the most sweeping civil rights bill ever to be written into the law, and thus reaffirms the conception of equality for all men that began with Lincoln and the Civil War 100 years ago. The Negro won his freedom then. He wins his dignity now. Five hours after the House passes the measure, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is signed at the White House by President Johnson. Before an audience of legislators and civil rights leaders who had labored long and hard,

for passage of the bill, President Johnson calls for all Americans to back what he calls a turning point in history. We must not approach the observance and enforcement of this law in a vengeful spirit. Its purpose is not to punish. Its purpose is not to divide, but to end divisions, divisions which have lasted all too long. Its purpose is national, not regional. This Civil Rights Act is a challenge to all of us to go to work in our communities and our states, in our harms and in our hearts, to eliminate the last vestiges of injustice

in our beloved country. So tonight I urge every public official, every religious leader, every business and professional man, every working man, every housewife, I urge every America to join in this effort to bring justice and hope to all our people and to bring peace to our land. There's warm applause for members of both parties as the President sets to work. It is work. uses nearly a hundred pens to affix his signature and hate.

Souvenirs go to Republican leader Everett Dirkson and Democratic whip Hubert Humphrey. The president seems to have mastered the art of just touching each pen to the paper. All right. I think we got it here. But there you go. Important moment in our history that we have to recognize, of course. And really, I mean, we are in such a tumultuous moment in our current history. that could only, I think, right now, rival the late 1960s or the mid-1960s here. And coincidentally, that was really the last time that we passed major, both like civil rights

legislation, although, of course, since then, you know, things like gay marriage that have been legalized and those are major milestones. But even more importantly, Medicare and Medicaid, this was the era of that expansion. And we are so due for a broad-based social program like Medicare for all, like college for all, that seeing that footage just kind of puts it all in perspective about what needs to come out of this moment of deep darkness and fascism. And on the other side, we have to build something more. And how do we make it that this country is this country all the time and not just at brief moments a few hundred years? once every few hundred years like Emancipation or the Civil Rights Act

because, you know, whether it's Medicaid being completely dismantled or in a lot of this sort of eras or out of the Supreme Court being stacked with people who's actually, we don't need to worry about voting rights and stuff anymore. Right. Or just look at the original Juneteenth.

There was a field order, Sherman Field Order number 15, which was redistributing land, which is the all other component that we need to deal with. Uh, it's civil, civil rights are great. Uh, and they should be extended to everyone, of course. Uh, but what happens about the economic, uh, disparities that had arisen during the time where people weren't given equal rights? Um, how do you do about that? They are still as prominent, uh, then as, as, as, I mean, there has been some progress, but when you look at like black household wealth versus white household wealth, it's barely improved. Well, we're going backwards, too, in recent history, right? Since a great financial crisis. I guess you're, You're right. Yeah. So like these things, these, the, these sort of moments, they're not ones to look and see like, oh, that's us in the mirror. These are moments to strive for and try to, frankly, top in the future. Right. And it's not the, the, this kind of passive voice about how the moral arc of history always bends towards progress, which is a great thought. It's a, it's Pollyannish, but it's a lot of liberals like to think that way. But no, progress comes through blood, through sweat, through struggle, violence. It doesn't come from our

civil disobedience. And technocracy saying, you know what, this is the better way to do it. We're going to all of a sudden let black people vote now. And it's hard because at the time, it's not popular, right? I mean, at the time of the signage of this bill, Martin Luther King Jr's approval rating is very much below his disapproval rating. And that only got worse as he began to speak about his war on poverty.

was even more just as importantly an anti-war activist and when we're talking about parallels to our current moment you see how the stifling of dissent and how difficult it is to say unpopular things or things that the state is repressing it's relevant to take these lessons and our political system is you know maybe I think the people are probably more open to this sort of thing than our political system is the Emmett Till Anti-Linching Act was signing to law in March 2022. Right. And there were Republicans who voted no.

And the entire time we've been trying to pass lynching law since Jim Crow. Yes. And no. Just wait until it's 2022 to get to that. Who are the Republicans who voted against the Emmett Till lynching act? I feel like we should probably just say their names in the spirit

of this of this show. Three Republicans, three House Republicans. Thomas Massey. Chip, Chip Roy, you know, that freak, that hardliner from Texas, and Andrew Clyde, who is from Georgia. And, yeah, nasty. American politician and gun store owner is what his Wikipedia says. I mean, but I repeat myself.

Okay, well, happy Juneteenth, everybody. With that, let's talk about potentially going to war. with Iran. Okay. So Trump appears to be coming around to the very tantalizing idea of bombing Iran. I have to keep repeating this every single time, but Iran's size is double in population of Iraq, four times the landmass. We lost that war in Iraq, despite the mission accomplished banner. Murdered hundreds of thousands at least of people. The estimates, right. It's up to a million by many estimates. And like Gaza, we will never know the true death toll because concealing that information is important to manufacturing consent for this slaughter here in the United States. Who is really excited about us doing that, by the way? Israel.

Yeah. They are the ones who have been trying to drag the United States into war with Iran since the 90s. And Netanyahu in particular, you see his testimony where he's encouraging America. to go to war with Iraq. And he talks about how you have the first battle, you keep winning battles. You win the first one and then the second one becomes easier and the third one becomes easier. And by that time, the United States

has already invaded Afghanistan. This was when you wrote about the second victory, when he talks about the second victory, he's speaking about Iraq, which we did end up illegally invading that country under completely false pretenses claiming they had a nuclear weapon or weapon in mass

destruction, sound familiar, which they didn't have. And then the third victory he's alluding to, he's speaking about wanting the United States to go and go to war with Iran. And we know that there were many in the Bush administration. John Bolton, among them, who was in Trump's last administration, who were salivating and desperate, desperate to attack Iran. But, domestically, the Iraq war became so unpopular that the window closed for them. And they've never, ever gotten over it. And they feel like they see an opportunity here. You know, so Trump wants to be the dealmaker, right? That's part of what we thought. And we were perhaps when we had treated Parsy on, we were a little bit too rosy because it appeared like they were earnestly engaging in

negotiations. And maybe Trump's better angels of wanting this Nobel Peace Prize or whatever would have won out in this instance. But no, he's just as despicable as he always is. And he's not just, he doesn't have this desire just to be the dealmaker. He also wants to be a tough guy. And he's also lazy. So he's basically outsourcing U.S. foreign policy to Netanyahu and the rest of the neocons in the administration as well. And there's reporting from the New York Times from a day or two ago, showing how Trump just couldn't help but brag about U.S. involvement, despite like Rubio and the other national security folks in the administration, winking and nodding at the public to say, like, hey, we're not involved. Israel did this totally on their own.

Well, they did what? That's crazy. We coordinated and we got our like non-military personnel and evacuated them in the day leading up. We knew what exactly what was going on. It's our bombs that Israel is using to attack Iran offensively when they don't have a nuclear weapon. And in March, Trump's own Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard testified in front of Congress and said that they are not developing a nuclear weapon and that they are not close enough to do so. And the only reason that we're even in this situation is because of Trump, because he pulled out of the JCPOA, the Obama administration Iran deal. We are in 24, we reached an interim agreement with with Iran.

And then in 2015, despite Netanyahu's PowerPoint presentation and attempts otherwise, we agree with Iran that allowed them to do this very limited enrichment, but there was no way with the monitoring process that they would ever be able to get a nuclear weapon. And Trump because Obama did it and because he hates him just and because of the Israel lobby, too, scrapped it and withdrew in 2018. And now here he is talking like one of those same Bush-era neocons in the White House yesterday, saying despite the testimony of his own director of national intelligence in front of Congress that actually know J.K., Iran's definitely getting a nuke.

What's your message to Americans both here and abroad who are not only concerned about the U.S. potentially getting involved in another conflict in the Middle East, but worry about the potential for retaliation here at home? Well, I don't want to get involved either. I've been saying for 20 years, maybe longer, that Iran can not have a nuclear weapon. I've been saying it for a long time. And I think they were a few weeks away from having one. And they haven't signed a document.

I think they wish they signed it now as a fair deal. Can I just say, like, him being like CIM consistent in this way that is, you know, you all know, it's a big lie. It's, you know. But he does not every time. I don't, he's not been saying this for a long time. We're going to play a clip of him. I'm actually not contradicting myself in any way, and there's nobody who could find any kind of clip to contradict me.

It's AI. And they had to sign a document. I think they wish they signed it now. It's a fair deal. And now it's a harder thing to sign, you know. It's a lot of water over the dam. But, you know, it's very, I say it very simply. A rent can't have a nuclear weapon.

Too much devastation. And they'd use it. You know, I believe they'd use it. Others won't use it. But I believe they'd use it. So that's it. It's very simple as far as I'm concerned. They can't.

Can you say I don't think they would use it? Yeah. I think they would probably use it as a deterrent. The idea that they would just immediately commit national suicide by nuke in Israel is ludicrous and frankly like the sort of hysterical racism that is characteristic of Zionists. Yeah, they would, Israel has nukes. The reason Iran was interested in 2002 in getting a nuclear. weapon was because Israel has them. And the United States has many, many more. And they are concerned about, you know, things like what we saw last week being bombed in the middle of the

capital of the country, a city that is as densely populated as New York City and has 10 million people in it, that they felt like they would feel like that they would need a nuclear weapon as deterrent from that kind of action. And the, the, that, That is how, like, these arms races start. And Israel doesn't really care, too, if they get a nuclear weapon because they know that the United States' capabilities and the sanctions that we've placed on Iran would give them an advantage regardless. And like when they try to stoke anti-Semitism here in the United States by conflating Zionism and Judaism, the more that they can claim that they are under threat, despite us knowing how disproportionate it is, the more they feel that they can justify their slaughter and wartime actions against a variety of different countries in the Middle East. They are illegally occupying Syria right now.

They've been bombing Lebanon, bombing Iran, annexing the West Bank, committing genocide in Gaza. And can I just say they are provoking violence against Americans by involving us of this? Like, I don't want to, like, this whole thing where they could come for you, well, if we're supporting this genocidal state of Israel over and, over again and giving it bombs and giving it political cover. I don't feel like I'm being made safer by that. Absolutely not. For what reason? Because of Israel, if there's an attack, I don't know what arounds, like, what,

where their heads at with retaliation on this stuff. We are provoking something from a giant country, thousands of miles away by helping one of their neighbors bomb them just aggressively. Yeah, it's horrifying because of this level of arrogance, right, that there's going to be no blowback for our support for this state. Or if they is, they'll use it to clamp down on our civil liberties more. And like, it's the arrogance of the Trump administration, I think really is clear here in the sense that like Trump seems to earnestly think that bombing them like this made them more likely to come to the negotiating. table with a weaker position. You killed their lead negotiator.

Why would they ever engage with you? You scrapped up the deal that they were not cheating on because of some petty garbage with Barack Obama and that he negotiated, which was one of the best things he did. And the United States has shown itself to be an unreliable, volatile bully around the world where you can have one administration come in. and just completely do away with diplomatic policy that was effective because of partisanship and because of domestic, like, the domestic Israel lobby. And to the benefit of not only the war machines in Israel and the fascist, frankly,

in politics in Israel and America, but also to the, what do they call it, the hardline mullahs in Iran, who celebrated tearing that deal up because it strengthened their position. All these people saying, well, Dean Phillips come in saying, and hey, Iran is bad, and they do all these bad things. Yeah, it's getting worse because of Zionism, frankly, and the colonial and conquest that we are, obviously, for decades and decades, have our eye on in that entire region. This fantasy of regime change is also absolutely horrifying here.

The idea that this has been proven time and time again, we're not going to be greeted as liberators after bombing a country. It's this race. It is racism. We play the clip of Mark Levin calling them savages yesterday, primitive people, and that's how they speak about them. It's why they emphasize mullahs, or they use this overly religious language to speak about the government of Iran to basically say, well, they're not like the civilized folks over in Israel or here in the United States. I mean, so civilized. What was the polling?

What was the polling? Half of them think Fox News is biased towards Palestinians. 64% think there's no need for new images of suffering in Gaza. Show us Eurovision instead. Yeah, they're completely brainwashed.

But we're supposed to think about the extremism of the Iranian population. With all that said, this is what Trump sounded like in 20, this is 2015, but this is the 2016 primary race. And just listen to this, because I do think this was a part of what catapulted him to the top of the primary here

and is like the seedling that we're kind of seeing with this fissure on the right, with you have the Tucker Carlson, Marjorie Taylor Green types, trying to be more Buchanan isolationists. Trump appealed to them directly in 2015, and now he's doing the exact opposite. Obviously, the war in Iraq was a big, fat mistake. All right? We should have never been in Iraq.

We have destabilized the Middle East. They lied. They said there were weapons of mass destruction. There were none, and they knew there were none. There were no weapons of mass destruction. Okay. All right. There you go.

I remember. There's no nuke. Watching that with my friend Alex, and we literally, this was the same week that Antonin Scalia died, so it was a good week. And it stood up, because, at that point it looked like, oh, we're going to get the Supreme Court possibly, which kind of went the other way, subsequently, thanks to absolutely no backbone. And also, Merrick Garland was the big attempt, and that we just gave up.

But this then happened later that week, and I remember cheering a glass of scotch being like, finally we've turned the page on this damn Iraq war shit that not only, again, million people killed in Iraq our politics have not recovered the all the detentions of folks like Ramesa Oss Turk Mamu Khalil like all the all this crap all of the

oh you work in a you're gonna have a government job or a state job in this state sign a pledge to Israel all that is because of this stuff yep yep and also so jarring how Trump sounds there so much more

vibrant and he looks he just looks a lot better but in a moment we're going to be speaking to Michael Carroll about the Republican attempts to sell off our public lands

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Michael, thanks so much for coming on the show today. Yeah, thanks for having me. For sure. So I wish we were talking about a rosier topic, but unfortunately we're kind of short on good news these days. for people that haven't been following this, the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee in the budget reconciliation bill are trying to put up to 250 million acres of public lands

basically up for sale. Let's just start with the text of the bill. What does it say? And how extensive is this attempted sell-off of our public lands? Yeah, so, Emma, thanks for having us and thanks for focusing on this issue. I mean, the bill that's being considered in the Senate

would drastically change the American West as we know it at this point. The language in that bill effectively says 11 states across the West have eligible acres up to our eligible acres that can be selected from to sell. The bill puts a cap on the acres that they ultimately, can sell at 3 million acres. However, 200, as you noted, 258 million acres are on the menu. So can be selected from. The other part of the language that is in that bill that's concerning is it says that any interested party can nominate a parcel of land from that menu for consideration for sale. And the Secretary of Interior and the Secretary of Agriculture there,

or then would, could make the decision arbitrarily to decide whether or not to sell that piece of land. So that means the door is open to anybody who wants to step up and say, hey, it would be nice to actually buy up that big chunk of land for my own personal use or to put a big ranch on or to do whatever they want to, develop it for mining interests. So we're deeply concerned about the language in that bill. We're deeply concerned about the number of acres across the west that could be sold off. And we think that budget reconciliation isn't the place to do this. You know, the normal legislative process on Capitol Hill gives people the opportunity to have hearings, to bring in witnesses, to testify, to talk about the values of all of these

acres. Doing it through a budget reconciliation process means there's no oversight, there's no hearings. It just gets jammed through as part of the process and sold off to pay for tax cuts for the wealthiest people in the country. Yes. So that's such an important thing to emphasize here is because, you know, we're the, the Republicans are trying to find a way to make Trump's insane cuts work in the budget reconciliation process. It appears that they're like just going to be ignoring the parliamentarian, which, you know, we wish Democrats did for quite a while. But It's just so, it's crazy because they're now pushing towards a $5 trillion increase to the debt limit. So they're having to do extreme things like this to justify these tax cuts for the rich.

And the fact that it's happening through the budget reconciliation process is so sketchy because I don't even like what amount of money. It's such a small amount of money to say that it would offset the. these tax cuts, what the sell-off would be, it appears to be just, you know, entirely ridiculous that they're engaging in it in this kind of shadowy way. Yeah, I mean, look, the committee itself says, you know, the five years that they have to implement the sale of these public lands, they, they estimate that they'll raise $10 billion in those five years for it. That's nothing for the federal government. Exactly. If you look at that in comparison to what the whole, they're going to in the budget overall. That's nothing. It's a drop in the bucket. And we're giving away

people's favorite hiking spots, their camping spots, people who, you know, love the mountain bike or hike. Many of the areas that are on the map that we produced that show all of these 258 million acres, many of those places are places that people love right in their community where they try to recreate and they get outdoors, open space, near communities. So, you know, selling those off for a pittance and doing so to justify a massive tax cut for the wealthiest individuals in this country is shocking. What is your view of the anger that is surrounding this? I mean, we've been our producer here, Matt, he's from North Dakota, but there's also some people we know out there in the West who are pretty outraged about what they're hearing because these public lands

are very much a fabric of the community, but also beloved by folks across the country. Yeah. I mean, for those of us who work on public lands and live in the West, like I do, it's not surprising that people are up in arms over all of this, right? Public lands are part of the cultural fabric of the West. It's why so many people choose to live in the West, where, you know, sometimes you live in a small town, the economic opportunities aren't quite, what they would be in larger cities and whatnot, but we choose to live in those places because of the access to public lands and the outdoors. I'll give you an example. Am I just from my backyard?

I live five blocks from Animus Mountain. Animus Mountain is one of the marquee areas to mountain bike in Durango, Colorado, where I live. Numerous people in the community have moved there, myself included, to be able to access those trails and to be out on those public lands every day. Animus Mountain is for sale based on the language that's in this bill. And it would be a huge loss for our community. And there's communities across the West that are being faced with this. So it has huge ramifications all to try and pay for this tax cut and really could change the way the makeup of the West and the way the West, you know, the communities across the West engage with public land.

Where are the areas that are eligible for sale most concentrated? What are kind of the public lands that you fear are most at risk of being sold off? Yeah, so the areas that they're focused on are lands managed by the Bureau of Land Management and the National Forest Service, right? So Forest Service lands, national forests, and VLM lands, desert lands. desert lands, and landscapes across the West. The ones that are most concerning, I think, to the Wilderness Society and to many communities across the West are the National Forest Roadless areas are included for sale in the language

that is being proposed by Senator Lee and others up on Capitol Hill that support selling off public lands. Those roadless areas are, you know, many of the places where communities across the West, And I think this is why you're seeing such a backlash where those communities hunt, fish, take their families to go camping. They're critical areas for protecting clean water and wildlife habitat. So if they're sold off, you could see them developed. You could see them cordoned off.

We'll see no trespassing signs across the west. So those are critically important. And it's a huge threat to wildlife and sort of way of life out here. the West. The other piece, Emma, that's I think important to note here is that administratively protected areas are also being considered for sale. So areas of critical environmental concern and wilderness study areas across the West, these are often areas that are early on identified by the agency because of their natural beauty or their cultural resources that should be set aside and protected. Those areas aren't exempt from sale in this package. So those could be

sold off as well. So it has huge ramifications and will change the way the West is managed and what we consider as the Western landscape if this bill goes through. How much does the oil and gas lobby have to do with this proposal. I know I read the write-up that your organization, the Wilderness Society, put together the analysis of this proposal, and it appears to be kind of like a wet dream for oil and gas. Yeah, I mean, look, when you look at these public lands across the West, you know, the language in the bill says that when they go up for sale, local communities, municipalities, and state governments will have first right of refusal. Well, if you spend any time digging into the budgets of states across

the West or the budgets of those local municipalities, you know that those local governments can't afford to get into a bidding war over a piece of land. They can't afford to buy them. So even with first right... And can I just say, Michael, like, this is where political corruption is, like, actually, it's most acute. This is zooming out. This is our critique a little bit of abundance, not necessarily touching on some of the, the, what, what moneyed interests do in terms of local politics, like, do you get way more bang for your buck, especially in some of these red states if you're an oil and gas super PAC or moneyed interest, then if you were to do it on the federal level, it makes their power even more prominent. Yeah. Well, and to your point about

the oil and gas industry, right, they're the ones with the deepest pockets that are going to be able to buy up and snap up all these lands, right? So you could see a boon for the oil and gas industry across the West in terms of purchasing the land. And then that takes them out of, you know, once they buy it, it takes them out of being subject to all of the normal environmental regulations that they would have to adhere to on federal public lands. So it's an insidious proposal in the Energy Committee's budget or in the budget reconciliation package and one that could open up all kinds of of lands to oil and gas development across the west. We've had a guess on this program before to talk a little bit about proposals to give

indigenous Americans back some of our public lands as a way to have some semblance of reparations. Obviously, this bill doesn't address that. But can you just speak about the dynamic of Native Americans? and their relationship to some of our public lands and how our indigenous communities will be affected? Definitely. I mean, look, the reason I brought up areas of critical environmental concern

and the administrative protections that are associated with those is that often areas of critical environmental concern are used by the federal land management agencies to protect some of the most important sacred and cultural sites across the West. It's important to note that many of the... the federal public lands, especially BLM lands, are on, you know, what was sacred and originally native lands across this country. We need to be conscious of that and, you know, make sure that those lands don't get sold out from under those native communities as part of this

process. So it's a huge issue that, you know, giving land back to native communities across the It's one that needs serious deliberation, a budget reconciliation bill where we start to sell off public lands won't help those conversations and certainly isn't the place to actually start to address some of those more complicated issues. Where can people write to their senator? I know that there's a link on your site to get people to just tell your senator even if you're in a red state. I oppose this. What's your guidance on that front? Yeah, I mean, first and foremost, if you go to wilderness.org and s-enr on that page, it'll take you to a page that has an interactive map that people can zoom into their home and see what lands are for sale around there. And there's a link on that page for people to call

their representatives or write their representatives. And in particular, and I can't stress this enough, Emma. Having people call the Senate and encourage their senators, if you live in a state with Democrats, they need to raise their voices in opposition to selling off federal public lands. And if you live in a state across the west that has Republicans representing it, they need to go to leadership and say it's unacceptable to include public lands sell off in here. So folks can go directly to our website. do that. There's a link there. They can also just call the switchboard on the capital for getting the number I'm off the top of my head, but I'm happy to provide that. We always have it, I think,

in our description of wherever people. But it's 202-224-3-121. 2.02-2-2-2-4-3-1-21. That is the U.S. Capitol switchboard, and they will connect you to the senator of your choosing. I guess this isn't my last, that wasn't my last question because I forgot to ask you who the big villains in this situation are. Like, who are the senators that are pushing this most aggressively? Yeah, I mean, look, I think this is a one-man crusade in many ways. I think he has some quiet allies, but Senator Mike Lee from Utah has long pushed for the sale of public lands. He fundamentally doesn't believe the idea. of public lands, he thinks that they should be sold off.

I'll remind you, Emma, last fall, actually in August of last year, the state of Utah filed a lawsuit with the Supreme Court demanding that the Supreme Court give a rule on whether or not the state of Utah could claim 18.5 million acres of federal public lands within the state. They claim that the federal government didn't have the right to manage those areas in their state. This has been a longstanding crusade of Mike Lee. He is the big villain in all of this. He has allies, but he's the one that people should focus on. He's got that libertarian bent, so he just doesn't believe in the concept of public space. I mean, this is the guy if people are just listening on the podcast who was tweeting out the conspiracy theories that it was a left

who assassinated those Minnesota lawmakers last weekend. So not, sorry, what did you say? Just a nasty guy. Nasty guy, nasty guy. Not a good person, but in the news for all the wrong reasons right now, Mike Lee. Anyway, appreciate your time today. Everybody call your senator, use the capital switchboard number, and you can also go to wilderness.org for guidance on how to oppose this.

Michael Carroll, thank you so much for your time today. I really appreciate it. Emma, thanks so much. All right. We got a little bit of time here, so we're going to cover some immigration things, I think, right now. Before we do that, I just want to tag on a video that I was sent by someone from North Dakota. I haven't really watched us, but it's about, it's from hunters about this public lands thing. So we can see what our friends in the gaming and fishing communities are thinking about this

and who they maybe name as a villain. So that's good. What a joke. What a joke. Hey folks, Randy Newberg here. It's a Wednesday night, and I've just been on calls, emails, text with some folks in D.C.

in prep for my trip there next week on public land issues. And I found out that Utah Senator Mike Lee's proposal cut a bunch of deals with a bunch of people, which, if it turns out to be correct, I'll be very disappointed in the people who cut those deals. but the proposal as it's been told me and probably is going to pop up in the next week as that it's going to sell two to three million acres of public land in the United States mostly well all western land but instead of them just focusing on Department of Interior and Bureau of Land Management now it also includes the Forest Service it's wide open so uh stand by because if the lead proposal really is there and it has

the votes, if it's been cut, a deal has been cut where it has the votes to get out of committee in the Senate and attach to the Senate version of the budget, this is going to be really, really bad. So what's your news feeds in the next couple days? Because if this is true, which I have every reason to believe it is, it's going to require a lot of pressure from a lot of people applied on everybody. it's just horrific um we're this era of like complete abandonment of any semblance of like environmental consciousness in the trump era is just as rapacious as the war mongering and the genocide that we're engaging in like it's so um the as this are the the the i i

in supercomputer or whatever, the services centers, I'm blanking on what it's called, data centers, thank you, that are emitting all of this junk into the atmosphere. They don't have the ability to use things like semiconductors right now to have those processing centers, those data centers run more efficiently. They're like burning coal in many instances. Elon Musk's data center is polluting an entire community in Memphis, and it's just we're accelerating the effects of climate change under this administration in ways that we're completely foreseeable, but it's deeply horrible to see. So we got a little bit more time. Let's, uh, what you want to do this other, uh, all right.

let's do let's just cover this this story because i think it's important um we'll go to uh number 14 that so um this uh this guy mario guvara is a spanish language journalist who is based in atlanta and he he covers immigration raids fairly regularly and he was covering the no king's protests down in georgia he was born in el salvador but he's been in the united States for over two decades, and he was arrested during protests in an Atlanta suburb over the weekend. By all accounts, he's still in ICE detention right now. This is the administration that talks about free speech, but he ended up recording his arrest and live streaming it, again, still in ICE detention, a journalist.

This is the body camera footage of him getting arrested at this protest. He's sir. He's step on the sidewalk. You're on the sidewalk. So this is, you're seeing body camera footage here. Officer, officer, I'm the middle of the media, officer. I'm the member of the media.

He has a press jacket on. Let me hear you. Are people listening, they're cuffing him. When you take my phone please, it's put my phone. my phone, please, it's for my work. Don't leave it there, please. Thank you, Officer. He's thanking him. Can you put it in my back? Are we just the West Bank now? Basically. worn multiple times not to get in the road can we go back? I want to

there's some ads on there but if we can I just want to see the beginning of this footage again I'm sorry it's unbelievable that was June 14th the police were forced to basically release it because it was so insane

he was then taken into ICE custody after this and I've covered protests before you have to stand in the middle of the street to get the footage that you need on occasion, just the beginning, to show what he was the beginning of it, if we don't mind. Yeah, so he's just look out for the guy in the red shirt here.

On the sidewalk, he's saying, but he's on the grass. He's just trying to film the operation. He's filming them walking backwards, basically. And then they just go at him, because he goes and stands in the street as soon as they could. All right, we got it. But I just wanted to show that. They wanted any excuse to get the guy, the journalist, that was filming their operations.

And we're seeing more and more of like these kinds of just incidents. I mean, with Brad Lander, who we had on the show yesterday, who was there. as an observer, anybody that is getting or shining a light on what ICE and what are it, what immigration enforcement looks like is being cracked down on by the authorities. I mean, this is police state stuff. It's a good stop, but we're turning ourselves into the West Bank. And all of the politicians that support ICE, including the ones who did the, well, thank you, ICE, we love all the things you do in the community, still bipartisan. Um, would be interested to see what the leadership of the Democrats say about ICE in general

now. They're just turning us into the fucking West Bank. And it's disgusting. Yep. They're, it's, uh, he's being charged with three misdemeanors, obstruction of law enforcement, unlawful assembly and being a pedestrian in the roadway. It's, it's, it's

the misdemeanor element like, they're already trying to reclassify all of these immigrants who are coming here and seeking asylum at, criminals because they cross the border with an asylum claim, which is not a crime. If they were to have crossed the border without the proper documentation, it is a civil violation, not a criminal one. But they're, they're attacking people. Do we have these

charts here just while we're on this topic? Um, Austin Coker, I keep encouraging people to subscribe to his substack. I've gotten a few family members too and they're like, into it there it's it's a great great way to track some of this immigration data he put together these two graphics that just show um the data uh on asylum adjudications in the united states and you see this massive increase in asylum cases being decided right at the end here there was a there was a spike in the back half of the Trump administration and then it dropped off a cliff because of COVID. But you see...

I mean, in part, like, where are those asylum cases coming from? And some of them Venezuela, like displacements that are foreign policy, again, Chris Murphy was involved in this, was bipartisan, decided let's destabilize governments and, you know, then reap the rewards of it, I guess, politically. And asylum cases being decided and increasing isn't necessarily a bad thing. But when you look to this second chart here, it shows that they're just, completely denying the existence of basically asylum claims. So this is the percent of asylum cases denied in court each month,

and it's hit a peak of nearly 80 percent of claims being denied. This is the death of the internationally recognized right to asylum. When did that start getting recognized again? What was the whole circumstances we decided? Oh, yeah, refugees fleeing horrible situations. We should probably let those in. list people in. Would it have anything to do with? I don't know, the Holocaust. Yeah. Not after.

Right. Sorry. Support. Oh, we need to help Israel bomb around for the Holocaust. How about we just continue letting refugees in? Like, maybe that's the way to do it. And before we made that determination, we were turning away Jews who were fleeing the Holocaust. We had boats come to our shores that we forced to turn around because of anti-Semitism in this country. We don't want you here. We would like you to go to a colony that we will help you to help us conquer the world. Right.

You know, the next 70 years. Very, that, that was literally Balfour, though. I don't like the Jews here in the UK. We will send them over there and they can be our little colonial outpost. We don't want you here, but we have a great idea for you as we're losing grip of this part of the world that we've held on to for this century. So, um, the scary stuff, uh, folks, but there you have it. All right, we're going to wrap up probably the free part of this show and head into the fun half soon.

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No. Also, Kamala, for all the people who want to say, well, you should have voted for Kamala, was saying, we cannot allow Iran to get a nuke and position yourself to the right of the previous Democratic administrations. Yeah, that was an odd choice because, yeah, like, Phil Gordon doesn't, Phil Gordon was in Iran deal. negotiator. It's just that there was no message. The messaging was insane. The problem is the like the circumstance for the Iran deal

the stars only align so many times and they wouldn't have aligned again because again like it wasn't just the hardliners here that love the Iran deal. It's everybody who in Iran who helped pass that got branded a traitor now. Right. Kat Lex as they are ramming through a new data center here in Tucson as we speak would be a good opportunity to look into Deja Fox, who is running for Raul Griehlva's former seat in Arizona 7. That's a good, good suggestion. I'm going to write that down right now. We've got to keep covering some of these primary candidates as, you know, we're a year and a half

out. Omar Fate, Minnesota, going from A or Minneapolis, folks. Good to tap in with him. All right, we don't have Brandon and Bender yet, to be fair to them. We're often late to getting to them. So we'll head into the fun half and we will talk about we will have them plug their shows on the other side. But Matt, what's happening on Left Reckoning? Yeah, Left Reckoning, we had

a had a hab to on talking about Tigray and Eritrea and Ethiopian politics and mass violence there that surprised Blinken and Biden looked the other way on so aid can continue flowing to leaders of those respective countries. Also, Adam Gaffney talking about Medicaid cuts, the

costs the amount of deaths. Turns out you kick people off of Medicaid. They don't just find some magical capitalists to give them a job and health care in their communities. You know, surprise, surprise. And then they have bad health outcomes, including death. So check that out, patreon.com, so I select reckoning. Nassau County spokesperson says Bernie and WFP endorse Kriolva's daughter for that race. Not Deja Fox. Please don't split the vote. Well, I'm going to look into who's the better candidate, but it sounds like if Bernie made an endorsement, maybe. that's the best chance. I don't know.

That's pretty strong indicator. Yeah. Um, um, all right. We will head into the fun half now. See you on the other side. Okay,

Emma, please. Well, I just, I feel that my voice is sorely lacking on the majority report. Wait. Look, Sam was unpopular. I do deserve a vacation at Disney World. So, ladies and gentlemen, it is my pleasure to welcome Emma to the show. It is. I think you need to take a little bit for Sam, but...

That's cool. Sir, I'm gonna, I'm gonna pause you right there. Wait, what? You can't encourage Emma to live like this. And I'll tell you why. So it was offered a twerk, sushi, and poker with the boys. Twerk? Sushi and poker with the boys.

Who was offered a tour? Yeah. Sushi and poker with the boys. What? Twerk. Sushi and poker. Uh, Tim's upset? Twer.

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We're going to get demonetized. I just think that what you did to Tim Poole was mean. Free speech. That's not what we're about here. Look at how sad he's become now. You shouldn't even talk about it because I think you're responsible. I probably am in a certain way, but let's get to the meltdown here. Dwerp?

Ugh. Sushi and poker with the boys. Oh my God. Dwerp. Wow. Sushi. I'm losing my fucking mind. I'm offered a twir?

Sushi and poker with the boys. Logic. Twer? Sushi and poker with the boys. Boy, boy, boy. Twer? I think I'm like a little kid. A little kid.

I think I'm like a little kid. Add this debate seven thousand times. A little kid. I think I'm like a little kid. A little kid. I think I'm like a little kid. I'm losing my fucking mind. Some people just don't understand.

So I'm not trying to be a dick right now, but like, I absolutely think the U.S. should be providing me with a wife and kids. That's not what we're talking about here. It's not a fun job. That's a real thing. That's a real thing. Willie Walker. That's a real thing. That's a real thing.

That's a real thing. That's a real thing. That's a real thing. Those and gentlemen, Joe Rogan has done it again. Offered it to work. That's a real thing. I think he might be blowing out of proportion. Real thing.

That's a poker with the boys. Twerk. That's a real thing. That's that poker. Let's go, Joe. Ture. Sushi and poker with the boys. Take it easy to do. Twer. Sushi and poker. Things have really gotten out of hands.

Sushi and poker with the boys. Ders illusion. Twer. You don't have a clue as to what's going on. Live YouTube. Sam has like the way of the world on the shoulders. Sam doesn't want to do this show anymore. It was so much easier.

One of the majority report was just you. You were happy. Let's change the same. Subject, three. Rangers and Nick are going great. Now, shut up. Don't want people saying reckless things on your program. That's one of the most difficult parts about this show. This is a pro-killing podcast.

I'm thinking maybe it's time we bury the hatchet. Left is best. Trump. Violet twerk? Don't be foolish and don't fucking tweet at me and don't get changed. The way Emma has cucked all of these people. Love it. That's where my heart is, so I wrote my honors thesis about it.

Oh, sorry, she wrote an honest thesis. Yes. I guess I should hand the main mic to you now. You are to the right-upon-segoal policy. We already fund this real, dude. Are you against us? That's a tougher question. I don't have an answer to you.

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